Great discussion! Hit me up if yall ever want someone to talk about the Reformed Baptist view :D

@brettmagnuson8318

2 күн бұрын

Yeah I was sort of expecting a RB to be on the credo side.

1:08:40 That is a good point. I’m a reformed Baptist, but only became reformed about 5 years ago and am Baptist from being raised Baptist but have covenant theology / credo vs paedo Baptist on my list of doctrines to settle. I also find it a tad contradictory to say since there isn’t explicit infant baptism taught in scripture so you don’t accept it, but also hold to “age of accountability” and that children under that age don’t “need regeneration” (iirc). That seems to touch on original sin as well, and even as a Baptist I see no evidence for age of accountability or not needing regeneration before that age.

I have been so decidedly Baptist for years. It seemed so clear to me, and all of the Presbyterian arguments I heard from friends just fell flat. However, much to my everlasting chagrin, things in the scriptures have just started to click, and I have become Presbyterian, somewhat against my will. I’m keeping my screen name, though. Long live the Spurge-meister! I appreciate this discussion.

But baptizo doesn't exclusively mean to immerse. It is used in the Septuagint for washings that could not possibly be immersion.

Very helpful. Thank you!

Wonderful discussion!

1:12:48 I am currently in the position of joining a OPC Presbyterian Church, even though I am a reformed Baptist. There is not much in my area that you could call a faithful church as far as reform covenant doctrine is concerned. I was going to a church where elders would have in Arminian/Calvinistic belief between them, but they are dispensational. This is the only church that I could find that holds to doctrines of grace/covenant theology. I am not gonna let baptism hold me back from joining the church and submitting to the elders. I think there’s a lot here behind his statements that he needs to reevaluate. 2020 revealed a lot behind the churches we go to. I think it’s important we go to a church where we hold the closest theological beliefs. Nothing against Cory. I just think unity right now in the body is the most important thing. If anyone has any thoughts on my wife and I joining a Presbyterian Church I’d love to hear it or any encourage. This was one of the best episode yet as far as helping out the unity of the church. Thank you.

On this was funny. In the wrap up, Cory is like the only thing that matters is Christ, on the channel titled “eschatology matters” 😂

Here is a complete list of all of the times that we see paedobaptism explicitly in scripture:

I’m still investigating this topic and find this discussion quite useful. I just saw a video discussing Baptism from a Lutheran perspective. Can’t say I appreciate their beliefs. 🤨

As a credobaptist, this is the first paedo argument that I have been able to follow all the way through. Currently a member at a local PCA church despite my differing views on baptism. I have a lot to think through. Thank you!!

For what it’s worth the title led me to expect a reformed Baptist position on Baptism. As a reformed Baptist that does not hold to “age of accountability” I’m a bit disappointed in the credo presentation here.

Semantically... You're welcome

Sacramentalism and efficacious sacraments are not mutually exclusive. I think the reformed fail to understand this, at times.

The validity of the mode of baptism by dunking can be challenged for the Credobaptist, because in the Bible everyone was baptized by "living waters" meaning flowing rivers or moving body of water. Therefore dunking in a pool is no different than sprinkling a child. But the early church produced the Didache and laid out a framework for administering the sacrament of baptism which makes provision for all modes of using water. Church history and the influence directly on the 3rd and 4th century church by Paul, Peter, John and his direct disciples. *Edit it was covered 10 mins after I posted this comment 😂 Great conversation. I also have moved from 1689 reformed credobaptist to WCF CREC leaning paedobaptist. There's also a whole discussion to be had about how the church is to operate Presbyterian vs Baptist individualism.

@oracleoftroy

2 күн бұрын

I do think it is a big stretch to assume all natural flowing bodies of water are deep enough to immerse. Likewise, even if there is enough water to theoretically immerse, that it is therefore safe to do so. "Living" water always seems to be about the type of water, not its appropriateness for submerging an adult human sized body. Especially in the Didache where it seems like the concern is baptizing in water that isn't going to make people sick by prioritizing flowing water over stagnant water and colder water over warmer.

I'm unclear as to why it was said the Didache teaches immersion. It mentions baptizing in living (that is, flowing) water, but it doesn't say how deep this water is. Not all natural bodies of water are deep enough to immerse. It seems to be pragmatically laying out what sort of water sources should be preferred, flowing water is better than stagnant water, and if you have to go with stagnant water, prefer colder water. If anything, this seems to match the sort of water that is going to be healthier to baptize with to avoid getting anyone sick due do the nasty things that can grow and accumulate in stagnant water. Not questioning the validity of immersion (or sprinkling for that matter), but the only explicit mode mentioned is pouring. This seems similar to reading into very natural descriptions of how you go towards or away from a natural body of water (down to / up from) because of how gravity works and assuming they are descriptive of a mode, immersion.

This sounded very much like a baptist talking with another baptist. Presbyterians have adopted the baptist mindset wholesale and just hang on to the water. This is what the Federal Vision is attempting to rectify.

@kevinrein519

2 күн бұрын

Baptyterians

@themanincharge6418

11 сағат бұрын

The modern reformed spend 99.99% on the sign aspect of baptism. They only give lip service to the seal of baptism.