Jesus said to the thief on the cross who was being crucified next to him, "today you will be with me in paradise." Was the thief baptised ? No. Did the thief on the cross partake in communion? No. What the thief on the cross did do was make a simple pronouncement of faith in Jesus Christ, the only absolute requirement to enter the gates of Heaven.

@BanjoLemonade

Жыл бұрын

Amen! Read the Bible and you will see salvation is by grace through faith. Salvation is eternal.

@Antonio.R.O.C.

Жыл бұрын

Was the criminal on the cross “saved by grace through faith alone”❓ 🕊️“One of the criminals hanging beside him scoffed, “So you’re the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving yourself-and us, too, while you’re at it!” But the other criminal protested, “Don’t you fear God even when you have been sentenced to die? We deserve to die for our crimes, but this man hasn’t done anything wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom.” And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Luke 23:39-43 Discerning this passage properly along with scripture in its entirety will lead you to see that the criminal on the cross was never told that he was forgiven, nor that he was saved but instead that he would be with him in paradise but why the difference? Everyone after death will enter paradise to kneel before our Father and await his judgement but few will enter his kingdom. 🕊️“For the scripture says: “As surely as I am the living God, says the Lord, everyone will kneel before me, and everyone will confess that I am God.” Romans 14:11 🔥“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.” Matthew 7:21 As Christians we must learn to distinguish between paradise and kingdom in order to properly understand it within scripture. No one knows if the criminal was forgiven for his sins nor that he was saved from them but only that he entered paradise to kneel before our Father and await his judgement. A judgement only he can decide. 🕊️“It is God alone who judges; he decides who will rise and who will fall.” Psalms 75:7 Doesn’t this mean that the other criminal entered paradise as well? Yes, won’t we all enter paradise when we kneel before our Father? Where else is his throne located at? Where else would we be judged? but is there a difference between the two criminals? Before his death, the criminal who spoke with Jesus on the cross did a few things different than the other criminal next to him. By his actions/works/deeds, he spoke in fear of the Lord, confessed his sin as he stated that he deserved to die for his crimes, acknowledged Jesus through his faith when he asked to be remembered and trusted his life to Jesus as he knew he would also die. He feared the Lord: “Don’t you fear God” 🕊️“Fear of the Lord leads to life, bringing security and protection from harm.” Proverbs 19:23 He confessed: “We deserve to die for our crimes” 🕊️“When you become aware of your guilt in any of these ways, you must confess your sin.” Leviticus 5:5 He acknowledged Jesus: “remember me when you come into your Kingdom” 🕊️“Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.” Matthew 10:32 He trusted Jesus: “today you will be with me in paradise” 🕊️“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me.” John 14:1 The criminal on the cross who spoke with Jesus would not only kneel before our Father in paradise as the other but the difference is that he would also be acknowledged by Jesus himself before our Father for the actions he demonstrated before his death. We can only pray that by our Father’s grace, through the criminals faith and by the works he demonstrated to Jesus as he hanged alongside him was good enough to be granted salvation but we must refrain from claiming that our own evaluation of the criminals story can determine our Father’s judgment, for who are we to declare anyone forgiven or even saved, what power does a mere human have? Jesus while on the cross, taught us that it’s never too late to fear the lord, to confess, to acknowledge and trust in him while we are still alive. At the same time, Jesus showed us the free will we are given to decide for ourselves just like the other criminal… some won’t fear the lord, some wont confess, some will deny him and some won’t even trust him but the option of salvation will always be there. The criminal on the cross who entered paradise did much more than people want to admit because they prefer a simpler way to salvation. They willingly promote that they are “saved by grace through faith alone” which is taken out of context as having more power than what the New Testament teaches in its entirety. Worst, they claim that those few words taken out of context have more power than everything Jesus himself taught. Jesus never once taught that you’re “saved by grace through faith alone” nor did he ever mention that statement anywhere in the New Testament. “saved by grace through faith alone” is a false gospel‼️

@sherryford667

Жыл бұрын

@@Antonio.R.O.C. Sorry, I feel like you really had to reach to so complicate the simple message of salvation through the grace of Jesus Christ.

@Antonio.R.O.C.

Жыл бұрын

@@sherryford667 If it was simple, Jesus wouldn’t have preached daily within and out side the Temple. I quoted Jesus directly, if his statements, his teachings are wrong, please enlighten me because If anyone’s OWN understanding of scripture from the Apostles words lead them to contradict Jesus’ own teachings then they have misinterpreted scripture‼️it’s that simple❗️

@sherryford667

Жыл бұрын

@@Antonio.R.O.C. No one is denying or denigrating Jesus' preaching in the synagogue, but on Golgotha, there was no time for anything but the basics, and it was a beautiful thing that it was so simple to reassure the thief who had expressed his faith in Jesus, that because of it, he would be with Jesus in Paradise. Amen and Hallelujah.

Being saved shouldn’t give one a license to sin.

@LELEW-bz4sp

5 ай бұрын

No but it's give you a chance of Salvation. Christ died for our sins accepting him ia the only

@Thomas-wm7qf

5 ай бұрын

@@LELEW-bz4spfaith has to be accompanied with works. By the Protestant logic, people like hitler could easily be in heaven just by saying they believe Christ is their savior.

@Demi.d3mi

4 ай бұрын

thats why catholics believe in sanctification not ‘once saved always saved’

@aleciacraig5528

3 ай бұрын

This!!! When people say all you need to do is believe and you can live however you want to live is false. You must accept Christ in your heart.

@sherryford667

3 ай бұрын

@@aleciacraig5528 Absolutely no Christian has ever said that. That's just you superimposing your own wild beliefs on the true nature of salvation.

Baptism doesn't save, only the sacrifice of Jesus-Christ. Saved by grace through faith.

@brandon714realtor

3 ай бұрын

AMEN!

@ZergantiaFilms

3 ай бұрын

He doesn't understand that baptism is a Public declaration of your faith within the church community, that is why you don't baptise yourself, by yourself. You do it surrounded by believers and generally its done by a senior leader of the church. It glorifies God, as does the supper we share as a church body in the memory of Christ's sacrifice for us, that we as a body can reflect on our sins and pray to be washed clean before partaking and being worthy of the process.

@robberger5323

3 ай бұрын

1 Peter 3:21, and many other scriptures that back it up. I’m a “Protestant” btw… but I would rather just call myself a follower of Christ.

@noobforpresident2024

3 ай бұрын

If you’re not baptized, you have original sin. Baptism is necessary to clean your soul.

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

3 ай бұрын

Mark 16:16 directly contradicts your statement. So much for “Bible thumpers”

I’m a recent convert. I grew up Protestant and I am currently in the process of getting confirmed as a Catholic! For the first time in my life I feel as though I’m truly living as a Christian in my everyday life. I feel so much more love in my heart and joy than I’ve ever felt in my whole upbringing. The Catholic Church is the church of Jesus Christ.

@hane6204

3 ай бұрын

Also one thing to add- Just because you’re Catholic doesn’t mean you have to agree with the pope. He’s only technically infallible for a tiny bit here and there. Most traditional Catholics do not agree with any of his social and political stances. Some don’t even consider him a real pope. My recommendation would be to set aside the politics of the church and focus on the history, tradition, and theology.

@johnyang1420

3 ай бұрын

Correct! Jesus started Catholic church! Welcome home!

@anthonyacostavega9505

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. The catholic church is the authentic one. Congrats for converting to the church of Jesus.

@maryelizabeth34

Ай бұрын

Congratulations! I am also so happy to see that you not only converted, but have a better understanding of the Catholic Church than many people I know. I will keep you in my prayers ❤

@user-oo3un8bl8b

Ай бұрын

yes, I agree some of ur comment bro/sis. Thanks for the comment. We are all not perfect even the pope but I think he doing the best he can & we must pray for him, other leaders & the church, & we all have to remember this bros/sis The Catholoc church is not holy not because of it's members, nor of its leaders but the church is Holy because of it's founder the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. have a Blessed day

I feel blessed for growing up in a Catholic household. I love Eucharist Adoration so much.

@johnsey2625

11 ай бұрын

Don’t follow false traditions of men. Follow Jesus who is the ultimate source of truth.

@juanisaac5172

11 ай бұрын

Yes, there is a mighty presence in Eucharisristic adoration.

@juanisaac5172

11 ай бұрын

@MZT So you are God now to know she will die in her sins. A little presumptious there. Kind of like the people who say " I got saved." Really. Why bother with the last judgement then. So the OP does not follow a 16 century, European Christianity. I don't either. It is not biblical or even historical.

@juanisaac5172

11 ай бұрын

@@johnsey2625 the traditions of men come from the Reformers. Want a list?

@RuhaArmata

11 ай бұрын

Amen

I came back to Catholicism from being a protestant for many reasons. One, all early church writings and saints taught catholic. Second, for 1,500 years after the pentecost, there was no bible interpretation which protestant currently holds. How did after 1,500 years we have to interpret bible differently? Because of this there is only one catholic church but hundreds of protestant churches all disagreeing with each other.

@bryantgutierrez84

5 ай бұрын

Many Catholic churches in the world disagree with the Vatican

@paulpowell6418

5 ай бұрын

I think that there is too much emphasis on men rather than God when Catholics always point to them. I enjoy many Puritanical men of faith, but I do not point to them unless making points clear in regards to infant baptism to which I hold as a Presbyterian. For the Presbyterian it is about Covenant Theology for why we baptise infants

@danielshanay6386

5 ай бұрын

The biblia does the interpretation alone.

@betrion7

5 ай бұрын

Hmm... let's think. Did some invention popped up around that time? Printing press? There were different interpretations always, just not all people had an access to the bible.

@danielshanay6386

5 ай бұрын

@@betrion7 biblia does interpretation alone. The Holy Spirit.

Correct: Faith + salvation = will result to good works Wrong: Faith + good works = salvation

@voyager14

3 ай бұрын

Romans 4:5

@samueldocski4426

3 ай бұрын

@@voyager14James 2:26, the words of Jesus…literally what theFloridianKitties said. You walk with Jesus? His grave and mercy will save us and confirm our salvation. Your works will show. You walk with Jesus? Your works will show that you truly do.

@daughteroftheholyone

3 ай бұрын

No Catholic disagrees with this. However faith without works is dead

@tarzan9552

3 ай бұрын

You’re wrong sister @floridian, faith and good works are actions, salvation is the result

@williamstoman1979

3 ай бұрын

@@tarzan9552 Good works will flow from Salvation. You cannot do good works apart from the Holy Spirit.

Props to Allie! I love how I can see God is working through you and your spirit!

@cracked_cypher8761

3 ай бұрын

Calvanism shouldnt be taken seriously

@levibaer18

2 ай бұрын

@@cracked_cypher8761 Can you give biblical texts as to why?

@diegospencer4002

Ай бұрын

⁠@@levibaer18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)

@levibaer18

Ай бұрын

@@diegospencer4002 First off, what does this have anything to do with Calvinism not being taken seriously? Second off, what exactly are you suggesting by quoting one verse out of context?

@Ms.MPetrillo

15 күн бұрын

What? 😂

JESUS SAID, "Not everyone who says LORD, LORD will enter the Kingdom of God...."

@sydvlogs26

4 ай бұрын

What verse is this? ty!

@brittneysellers4329

3 ай бұрын

@@sydvlogs26Matthew 7:21

@user-tr6zc7ts1h

3 ай бұрын

Read the next 2 verses, Matthew 7:22 and 7:23 Jesus rebukes those who rely on works instead of faithful relationship with Christ ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭”For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.“ Romans‬ ‭11‬:‭6‬ ”And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.“

@novicegamer5077

3 ай бұрын

You are making me laugh... Kingdom of God is for Jews... They are looking for Messiah and King.. are you a jew or Gentiles? Gentiles need saviour who is lord but not King... Don't complicate yourself.

@stevecochrane8799

3 ай бұрын

@@user-tr6zc7ts1h but gifts can be disregarded and not appreciated. That's why we need to make the effort to do God's will.

As a Catholic, I agree and how he eloquently justified these arguments of faith! I wish all Catholics can debate like this especially use quotes from the Bible.

@shaddjimenez4524

4 ай бұрын

To all the Catholics here: “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” Matthew 23:9 NASB1995 They call the pastor "Father". ““And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.” Matthew 6:7 NASB1995 They repeat prayers over and over, i.e. "Hail Mary", Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Hail Mary. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpeGmpeImsveZrA.htmlsi=PcNwgjhlkAYAym5D Satanic statue behind the Pope in his main hall. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ1-mLazqN23daQ.htmlsi=igIGmmh0W-4flgGN Pope's audience hall is blatantly Satanic. The Lady of Guadalupe was made up to convert Native Americans, found no where in the Bible. Baby baptisms are found no where in the Bible, Jesus and his Disciples taught the people before Baptizing them, the baby is not taught anything before getting wet. There are no Confession booths in the Bible, and they make you do repetitive prayers after confessing your sins. ““And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.” Matthew 6:7 NASB1995 ”and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ bible.com/bible/100/rom.1.27.NASB1995

@kevincarney1984

3 ай бұрын

It’s not so much that he was a good debater, but he was debating against someone who is a very poor debater. He talked about literalism, but to interpret the Bible literally is to interpret the Bible according to its literary genre. Not one of the apostles would have understood Jesus to be saying that that bread at the Passover Seder was actually his physical flesh, and that’s a fact. He was standing in front of them when he said it, and everything on that Seder table had a meaning and represented something else. It would have been understood as a metaphor. Just like when he said I am the gate or I am the Shepard or I am the door. Jesus talked that way all the time and all his apostles knew it. The author of Hebrews said our God is a consuming fire. Should we go worship flames? The Bible is full of metaphors. The Bible is its own best interpreter. She was right in saying that the Bible never contradicts itself, and must be understood in context and by comparing scripture with scripture.

@tomherring

3 ай бұрын

We know Jesus was not speaking in metaphor because after preaching about the Eucharist in John chapter 6 (eat my flesh...drink my blood) his disciples took him literally and many left him for it. Jesus let them go, and did not correct their "misunderstanding". They understood rightly. No metaphor. John 6:66-68 "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. 67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life

@kevincarney1984

3 ай бұрын

@@tomherring I beg to differ Tom! I am very familiar with John 6. I have taught John 6. John 6 is not about communion at all. Jesus had just finished performing a miracle and feeding bread to a huge group of Jewish people. The crowds followed Jesus to get more bread but Jesus knew what their motives were. Jesus knew they did not come to him because they believed in him, but because they wanted a free meal. ”Jesus answered them and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭26‬ Without shame, the Jews said Moses gave us bread to eat, because they were still looking for another food handout and physical nourishment. Jesus said that he was the true bread that comes down from heaven. So then the Jews say, give us this bread still thinking of physical bread that feeds the physical body. Then Jesus tells them how they can receive the bread from heaven he tells them that it’s not physical at all. It’s not communion bread it’s Jesus himself and it’s received through faith. ”Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me will never hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭35‬ To come to Jesus is to believe in him, to believe in him is to receive salvation and never hunger or thirst spiritually again. ”For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭40‬ Think about what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman a few chapters ago. I will give you water, and if you receive it, you will never thirst again. Was Jesus talking about physical water or physical thirst? The Samaritan woman said to Jesus sir give me this water, so I don’t have to come here and draw anymore. The same response as these Jews, who also didn’t understand that Jesus was not talking about eating physically but believing in him and following him. Eventually the Samaritan woman understood that Jesus was not talking about drinking physically but spiritually by believing in him but I’m afraid these Jews never did. Jesus meant that they would have eternal life if they believed in him not if they ate communion bread or his physical flesh. Jesus always spoke to these Jews in parables and metaphors not in literal speech. ”All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He was not speaking to them without a parable“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13‬:‭34 ”Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭47‬ These Jews were offended by Jesus, as even some of his own disciples were for a time. If you remember, even Peter said this shall never happened to you speaking of Jesus giving his body and shedding his blood for sinners and Jesus said to Peter get behind me Satan, for this is the will of my father. Can you not see the obvious fact that Jesus is speaking to all these people in parables telling these Jews through metaphors that they must believe in him and follow him? It’s a simple as that. ”The Spirit is the One who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭63‬-‭64‬ Indeed, the flesh profits nothing and there are some of you who do not believe. Grace and peace to you my friend.

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

I am a cradle Catholic and my then boyfriend last year decided to start the RCIA program to become Catholic, now my fiancée, and I’ve been joining him to the classes and I’ve learned many more reasons about why the Catholic religion is true church founded by Jesus Christ Himself 🙏🏼 and He left us the commandments to make us happy, and the sacraments to nourish us. Everyday I am grateful to be Catholic.

What the Baptist girl said, remind me of the criminal on Jesus' right cross. He didn't get to baptised, yet no one would argue that he wasn't saved.

@dsvet

3 ай бұрын

The Thief on the Cross: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZmDxJaTY7Ccp7Q.htmlsi=gpFp8AokmM9CddMp

@SethRLewis

9 күн бұрын

So he proves the exception then, not the rule.

@stwoods25

5 күн бұрын

I dont think there are exceptions with God. It was his faith that got him in. Faith in Christ. His work, in this case, was believing on the Son. @SethRLewis

@RabidLeech.

2 күн бұрын

Can you prove that he wasnt baptized? I mean we only get like one paragraph of his entire life, it is very possible that he was baptized, then fell into thievery , then returned at the last second

I converted to Catholicism after reading the early church fathers and learning church history.

@cliffwade8151

3 ай бұрын

The Reformers rediscovered the early church fathers. You can barely tell the difference between Augustine and Calvin. It was the corrupt church of Rome who went away from the church fathers.

@lauradel9

3 ай бұрын

With all due respect, why should the early church fathers be revered over what the New Testament says?

@user-se8yv4lc3v

3 ай бұрын

@@lauradel9they are who wrote the gospels. St. Paul even says that the church is the foundation and pillar of truth

@lauradel9

3 ай бұрын

⁠ then why are you saying “early church fathers” instead of just saying reading the New Testament? What am I missing?

@valeriab4100

3 ай бұрын

@@lauradel9 Because us Catholics also believe in the authority of the Church to teach us. It's not the Bible alone. Even the Holy Trinity, as we know it, is a concept that was agreed upon Church leaders from the Roman Empire, you can't get the complexity of it based on the Bible alone. That happened because of leaders being "enlightened" by the Holy Spirit.

This is a great conversion. I am new to being a catholic and this conversation is very educational. Great debate.

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@shine2678

3 ай бұрын

​@@theothersideofthestory1594you are confused..ex Protestant here..

@johnyang1420

3 ай бұрын

Welcome home!!!

@nativeson1559

2 ай бұрын

@@theothersideofthestory1594 You are one confused man! So, JEsus died on the cross for us all and as a result, we are heaven bound.........all of us. Right? Okay, you say we should have faith. So, he died on the cross for all of us and on top of that, since we have faith, we are heaven bound NO MATTER WHAT! That is your position. IT is like an insurance policy (comprehensive). Total the car and regardless of whether it's your fault or not, you are covered and will be compensated! Oh protestants!

@Antonio.R.O.C.

2 ай бұрын

Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓ The quotes provided below are historical facts in reference to our early church which existed prior to Romes adoption of Christianity in 313 A.D. Church: 📖"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrneans 8 (c. A.D. 110)] Bishop, Priest & Deacon: 📖“Since, then, I have had the privilege of seeing you, through Damas your most worthy bishop, and through your worthy presbyters Bassus and Apollonius, and through my fellow-servant the deacon Sotio, whose friendship may I ever enjoy, because he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ [St. Ignatius of Antioch- Letter to the Magnesians 2 (c. A.D. 110)]. Eucharist: 📖“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ, which have come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Ash that suffered for our sins and that the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6-7 (c. A.D. 110)]. Scripture: 📖“[W]hoever perverts the sayings of the Lord for his own desires, and says that there is neither resurrection nor judgment, is the firstborn of Satan. Let us leave the foolishness and the false teaching of the crowd and turn back to the word that was delivered to us in the beginning.” [St. Polycrap of Smyrna - Letter to the Philippians 7 (c. A.D. 135)]. Sunday: 📖“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 67 (c. A.D. 151)]. Actions/Works: 📖“We have learned from the prophets, and we believe it is true, that punishments, and chastisements, and good rewards, are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. If it is not so, then all things happen by fate, and nothing is in our own power. If it is fated that this man be good, and this other evil, the former is not meritorious nor the latter blameworthy [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 43 (c. A.D. 151)]. Apostolic Succession: 📖“It is within the power of all, in every church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the Tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were instituted bishops in the churches by the apostles, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew anything these [heretics] rave about.” [St. Irenaeus of Lyons - Against Heresies 3:3:1 (c. A.D. 189)] Baptism: 📖“The children shall be baptized first. All the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confession: 📖“After this, one of the bishops present, at the request of all, laying his hand on him who is ordained bishop, shall pray this way: O God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. pour forth the power that is from you, of "the princely Spirit' that you delivered to your beloved Child, Jesus Christ, and that he bestowed on your holy apostles, who established the Church that hallows you everywhere, for the endless glory and praise of your name. Father, "who knows the hearts [of all]” grant this servant, who you have chosen for the episcopate, to feed your holy flock and serve as your high priest blamelessly night and day, and unceasingly turn away wrath from your face and offer to you the gifts of the holy Church. And that by the high priestly Spirit he may have authority "to forgive sins" according to your command.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 2-3 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confirmation: 📖“The bishop will then lay his hand upon them, invoking, "Lord God, you who have made these worthy of the removal of sins through the bath of regeneration, make them worthy to be filled with your Holy Spirit, grant to them your grace, that they might serve you according to your will, for to you is the glory, Father and Son with the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church, now and throughout the ages of the ages. Amen." After this he pours the oil into his hand, and laying his hand on each of their heads, says, "I anoint you with holy oil in God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit." Then, after sealing each of them on the forehead, he shall give them the kiss of peace and say, "The Lord be with you." And the one who has been baptized shall say, "And with your spirit." So shall he do to each one [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21-22 (c. A.D. 215). Peter’s Authority: 📖“The Lord says to Peter: "I say to you,' he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven. [Mt 16:18-19]. On him he builds the Church, and commands him to feed the sheep [Jn 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed the others were also what Peter was [apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, by which it is made clear that there is one Church and one chair.... If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he think that he holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he be confident that he is in the Church?.” [St. Cyprian of Carthage - Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition (Treatise 1:4) (A.D. 251)]. These few topics (but a glimpse) were not only discussed but settled BEFORE Rome adopted Christianity (The Catholic Church) and eventually became The Roman Catholic Church as it also adopted its name after 313 A.D. Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓Yes❗️ Does this excuse all its mistakes and sins from the record❓Of course not❗️As Christians, we are called to hold the church accountable, not leave it and let evil flourish within it. This refusal of accountability within every Christian has led to over 40,000 diferente Christian denominations and the ignorance which has flourished from it. 🕊️”And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,” Ephesians 4:11-15 We are called by God to unite! What better church to do it under than the one he started. Historical fact that can be easily confirmed by any Christian historian is that the Holy Spirit who is God, who sees past, present and future chose the Catholic Church to compile the Bible, specifically the New Testament which all Christians base their entire religion from and yet reject God’s decision to have picked the Catholic Church.

I need an orthodox ,catholic and protestant debate . It would be very interesting 🤔

@deooptimomaximo9843

3 ай бұрын

Protestant would be irrelevant due to the Catholic and orthodox going at it hahaha

@Kirksville_Boi

3 ай бұрын

@@deooptimomaximo9843Catholics and Orthodox agree on many things it would probably be the catholic an orthodox people chewing at the Protestants.

@shine2678

3 ай бұрын

​@@deooptimomaximo9843yeahh😂😂

@ivankrushensky

3 ай бұрын

@@deooptimomaximo9843 so true lol. Two of the OGs.....and then this third wheel that says "well 1500 years later...." Orthodox and Catholic have a legitimate argument between each other.

@literatureconnoisseur

2 ай бұрын

@@ivankrushensky The Catholics and Orthodox would argue complex theological topics like original sin/ancestral sin and purgatory/Aerial toll booths Meanwhile the protestant would be sitting in a corner saying "God said not to worship idols and also both of you worship Mary"

In the Original Koine Greek and Latin, it is "Faith apart from works of the Law" and Luther changed it to "faith alone", with him saying that that it was was St. Paul "meant". When his followers asked him who can accurately interpret Scripture, Luther infamously said he alone could. Also, in Acts Chapter 9, St. Philip the Deacon asks a Eunuch, who was reading from the Prophet Isaiah, if he understands what he was reading, and the eunuch replied "how could I, if I have no one to explain it to me?"

I have to say, I have loved these discussions, so interesting and intriguing, from a group of brilliant minds,I wish there was more of these discussions, thanks u so much ❤

Coming from a Catholic Dad ,protestant mom i was baptized in both religions i believe that praying and reading the bible and having a spiritual connection with Jesus will guide u tomake the right decisions 🙏

@davidjohn8056

4 ай бұрын

There is an objective answer tho. How was your parent’s marriage? I’m dating a catholic girl and we are having theological issues that are pretty stereotypical of Protestant and Catholic relationships.

@sherryford667

3 ай бұрын

@@davidjohn8056 The Scriptures advise you against being "unequally yoked." Not a good idea. The important question is are you, yourself, saved, and are you willing to make certain that your children have a bible-based religious education because I guarantee that she will demand that they will be raised Catholic with all its man-created dogma.

@deooptimomaximo9843

3 ай бұрын

​@@sherryford667god bless that girl I hope she does. And I pray you give in

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@casino-hi2zx

3 ай бұрын

@@davidjohn8056 needs to be love and respect to make it work and always put Jesus first

I will pray everyday that more people get to experience believing in the divine presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament 🙏🏼

@chrisevans9688

25 күн бұрын

Chris Evans people would love now that you power back on this weekend so we can talk tomorrow night and see if you be back in my life and see if we can do that soon thanks you would be happy with us all and time we go back

“To know history is to cease to be Protestant” cardinal Newman’s quote is one of the absolute truths for me, as someone who has grown up a Protestant but has studied the history of our faith and the church. Why would we not want to wash away any sins right at birth and bestow the HS right away? I regret not being able to do this with my own children. Protestants denominations have fallen too far away from the Bible they have so many translations and less books…find what church fits you, but I implore people to read about church history before judging Catholics.

@ivankrushensky

3 ай бұрын

I was baptized Catholic, confirmed Methodist and in college went back through RCIA.....primarily because I started asking questions. Protestantism runs out of gas if you ask too many questions. If more Protestants asked more questions about the origins of their faith, they wouldn't be Protestant anymore. Christianity did not start in the 1500's. And the Bible did not just fall out of the sky.

@colepriceguitar1153

2 ай бұрын

I started looking into Catholicism and at first it seemed more reasonable than I originally thought but then I thought even deeper and realized Catholicism isn’t tenable.

@ryanmijangos9432

2 ай бұрын

If you know history and the Bible, than you know Peter was not held as a Pope in any regard. Check out Mattew 23:8-10, 1 Peter 5:1-3

@brycedunlap298

2 ай бұрын

That cardinal newman quote is such a blatant partisan ploy attempting to have some amount of authority. Here’s the problem. It is precisely your own statement that gives off why the Catholic Church is incorrect. “Why would we not want to wash away any sins right at birth and bestow the Holy Spirit right away”. WE did not do any of that, this was God’s doing. Faith without works is dead yes, but only because works are a reflection of our true faith, it is not what ends up saving us. Only when we truly have faith does God take mercy on us and bestow grace, and in response we do good, we do what he commanded. These catholic talkers always have a way of trying to distort the Bible by claiming sola scriptural while ignoring the context of the Bible at whole, especially when there are specific examples against what they themselves argue

@Antonio.R.O.C.

2 ай бұрын

Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓ The quotes provided below are historical facts in reference to our early church which existed prior to Romes adoption of Christianity in 313 A.D. Church: 📖"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrneans 8 (c. A.D. 110)] Bishop, Priest & Deacon: 📖“Since, then, I have had the privilege of seeing you, through Damas your most worthy bishop, and through your worthy presbyters Bassus and Apollonius, and through my fellow-servant the deacon Sotio, whose friendship may I ever enjoy, because he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ [St. Ignatius of Antioch- Letter to the Magnesians 2 (c. A.D. 110)]. Eucharist: 📖“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ, which have come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Ash that suffered for our sins and that the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.” [St. Ignatius of Antioch - Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6-7 (c. A.D. 110)]. Scripture: 📖“[W]hoever perverts the sayings of the Lord for his own desires, and says that there is neither resurrection nor judgment, is the firstborn of Satan. Let us leave the foolishness and the false teaching of the crowd and turn back to the word that was delivered to us in the beginning.” [St. Polycrap of Smyrna - Letter to the Philippians 7 (c. A.D. 135)]. Sunday: 📖“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead.” [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 67 (c. A.D. 151)]. Actions/Works: 📖“We have learned from the prophets, and we believe it is true, that punishments, and chastisements, and good rewards, are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. If it is not so, then all things happen by fate, and nothing is in our own power. If it is fated that this man be good, and this other evil, the former is not meritorious nor the latter blameworthy [St. Justin Martyr - First Apology 43 (c. A.D. 151)]. Apostolic Succession: 📖“It is within the power of all, in every church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the Tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were instituted bishops in the churches by the apostles, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew anything these [heretics] rave about.” [St. Irenaeus of Lyons - Against Heresies 3:3:1 (c. A.D. 189)] Baptism: 📖“The children shall be baptized first. All the children who can answer for themselves, let them answer. If there are any children who cannot answer for themselves, let their parents answer for them, or someone else from their family.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confession: 📖“After this, one of the bishops present, at the request of all, laying his hand on him who is ordained bishop, shall pray this way: O God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. pour forth the power that is from you, of "the princely Spirit' that you delivered to your beloved Child, Jesus Christ, and that he bestowed on your holy apostles, who established the Church that hallows you everywhere, for the endless glory and praise of your name. Father, "who knows the hearts [of all]” grant this servant, who you have chosen for the episcopate, to feed your holy flock and serve as your high priest blamelessly night and day, and unceasingly turn away wrath from your face and offer to you the gifts of the holy Church. And that by the high priestly Spirit he may have authority "to forgive sins" according to your command.” [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 2-3 (c. A.D. 215)]. Confirmation: 📖“The bishop will then lay his hand upon them, invoking, "Lord God, you who have made these worthy of the removal of sins through the bath of regeneration, make them worthy to be filled with your Holy Spirit, grant to them your grace, that they might serve you according to your will, for to you is the glory, Father and Son with the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church, now and throughout the ages of the ages. Amen." After this he pours the oil into his hand, and laying his hand on each of their heads, says, "I anoint you with holy oil in God the Father Almighty, and Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit." Then, after sealing each of them on the forehead, he shall give them the kiss of peace and say, "The Lord be with you." And the one who has been baptized shall say, "And with your spirit." So shall he do to each one [St. Hippolytus of Rome - Apostolic Tradition 21-22 (c. A.D. 215). Peter’s Authority: 📖“The Lord says to Peter: "I say to you,' he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven. [Mt 16:18-19]. On him he builds the Church, and commands him to feed the sheep [Jn 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed the others were also what Peter was [apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, by which it is made clear that there is one Church and one chair.... If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he think that he holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he be confident that he is in the Church?.” [St. Cyprian of Carthage - Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition (Treatise 1:4) (A.D. 251)]. These few topics (but a glimpse) were not only discussed but settled BEFORE Rome adopted Christianity (The Catholic Church) and eventually became The Roman Catholic Church as it also adopted its name after 313 A.D. Is the Catholic Church Jesus’ original church❓Yes❗️ Does this excuse all its mistakes and sins from the record❓Of course not❗️As Christians, we are called to hold the church accountable, not leave it and let evil flourish within it. This refusal of accountability within every Christian has led to over 40,000 diferente Christian denominations and the ignorance which has flourished from it. 🕊️”And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,” Ephesians 4:11-15 We are called by God to unite! What better church to do it under than the one he started. Historical fact that can be easily confirmed by any Christian historian is that the Holy Spirit who is God, who sees past, present and future chose the Catholic Church to compile the Bible, specifically the New Testament which all Christians base their entire religion from and yet reject God’s decision to have picked the Catholic Church.

I personally think, our Lord loves both protestants and Catholics, I myself am not Catholic, but that church has corrected many a heresy, and given us some brilliant theologians, Athanasius, Aquinas, and Augustine come quickly to mind. We all know about the mistakes and missteps, but the Catholic church is a good institution.

@stephj9378

Жыл бұрын

Protestants really miss out on some fantastic theologians. They threw out the baby with the bathwater.

@dianaswanson5705

Жыл бұрын

Eric as a it is so nice to hear this from a non-Catholic. ❤🙏Many of God's blessings to you.

@elle9082

Жыл бұрын

@@stephj9378 An ex-protestant pastor actually talked about how as a protestant, he found so many amazing books from Catholic theologians and critical thinkers but then he felt uneasy because those books are dedicated to Our Lady and he cant imagine fathom that those books are so full of grace and truth but then he knew those people actually had a contemplative and prayerful life that inspired them to right those great books.

@stephj9378

Жыл бұрын

@@elle9082 Well said. You get it.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

Our God is Messiah - to have the mind of Christ, given by the Spirit, is the only Way. "Church" and all of its adherents and trappings cannot save and does not even want you saved. It wants you caught up in deceptive idol whoreship.

Romans 11:6 says, "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

@Gypsyman_99

3 ай бұрын

Works doesn't add to salvation Grace just furthers sanctification

@holyromanemperor420

2 ай бұрын

​@@Gypsyman_99 Right

@holyromanemperor420

2 ай бұрын

I assume you aren't implying that the Catholic Church teaches otherwise, right? The Catholic salvation model is as follows: Repent : of sins Receive : the grace of God in the form of the Sacraments and other means Remain : in a state of grace, ie, not being in a state of mortal sin.

@Jennifrita

2 ай бұрын

@@holyromanemperor420 The Catholic Church does teach otherwise. The Council of Trent Canon 32 says, "If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema." If you have to do good works to be saved, how is salvation a free gift received by faith? If you work for something, it's not a gift anymore. It's something you earned. The only thing we can earn is death. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

@loraliecataldi1975

2 ай бұрын

I understand Good Works to be an outpouring of ones having been saved by Grace through Faith. The Protestant in essence believes that Good Works are a FRUIT. My question then is….Why isn’t Good Works listed among the Other Fruits of the Spirit??? If it is in fact a FRUIT by which we should know them then it would also be listed amongst the other fruits of the Spirit. Sincerely seeking the Truth ♥️🔥🙏🔥♥️

Great discussion. Thank you.❤

I love both the Catholic and Protestant churches. I pray that all Christians in all Denominations will let go of their differences and come together for God. This is a time of chaos, we all need to unite, live God's will, and vote for the candidates that most represent God's will for government offices, and then hold those candidates to their promises. We all need to put God first in our lives and walk the walk, not just say the words.

A baby is baptised and then it’s saved! As long as it doesn’t commit mortal sin?! Jesus said it’s a narrow path that few find and that we must be born again. I was a catholic till 27 I was saved when I believed that Christs blood was enough. I had gone to mass all my life. I cried for two weeks as I felt Gods love pour into my heart. I was never the same. Works are evidence of salvation not used to justify!

@jgood6088

10 ай бұрын

A baby is baptized for the purpose of initiation into the Church, the Bride of Christ , or the Body of Christ. And of course the blood , body and divinity of Christ saves. Christ died once and for all. Even those that don't know him , those little babies or even the atheist on the street. But good works are a product of free will and cooperation within Faith and the Grace of God, Jesus. No such thing as once saved , always saved. Oh sure , you'll find scriptures verses that affirm salvation but not exclusive in and of themselves . Least we set aside of all the warning to remain faithful in scripture. We are human not totally spiritual beings without sin. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling is just one admission for follow. And born again is Baptism , through Water and the Spirit. Water, the Father , Son and the Holy Spirit . No reciting some words and feeling something.

@imgerrydee

10 ай бұрын

@@jgood6088 rest assured that the Catholic Church is NOT the Bride of Christ. Born Again followers of Jesus Christ are the Bride of Christ.

@astronomer6222

8 ай бұрын

@@imgerrydee No

@alexkkx

8 ай бұрын

@@imgerrydeeThe Early Church seems to disagree with you. Why follow your personal interpretation that is far from what Christianity has preached for millenium.

@calmccutch

4 ай бұрын

To leave the Catholic Church is to leave Jesus. One's feelings do not correlate with what is true.

Excellent segment! Absolutely wonderful to see discussion about God.

In relation to John 3:5 “unless one is born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” I consider Mark 1:4-8 about John the Baptist “John appeared, baptizing.. and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And all the country.. were being baptized by him.. confessing their sins. ..And he preached, saying, ‘After me comes he who is mightier than I.. I have baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” And so, in John 3:5 when Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus about being “born of water and Spirit” I wonder if Jesus is referring to repentance (which John’s water baptism represents) and receiving the Holy Spirit, both which are needed to be born again. I’m no theologian, but that’s a strong connection I see in the scriptures. Amen Allie Beth! I love how God uses you as a voice of His grace and truth. Your use of scripture to describe grace thru faith was beautifully done. You are an inspiration! I do think that George’s comments about the early church are interesting in relation to the Eucharist. This is an argument I have heard before from Catholics and something I’d like to look into further. Great conversation between the two!!

I am so proud of growing up in a catholic household ❤

Allie Beth Stuckey! Amazing job defending the simple teachings of the Bible❤

@t.d6379

3 ай бұрын

The CC gave the world the Bible and after over a 1000 years Men removed books from that bible and now have the wrong Bible. Fact.

@Cole-rb3xv

3 ай бұрын

Honestly the Catholic Chruch Hold the whole truth. Have so many doctors and Theologians in the Catholic Faith going off of Scripture and the whole Bible Not just pieces. 2:14-26 Faith without works is Dead. We believe as Catholic Grace is always there for us to Choose. Up until the moment you die here on Earth. You choose to stay far away from sin and the Near occasions of sin. Anyone can be saved but once you vow you’re a Christian or a Catholic you should always uphold The 10 Commandments. Faith without works dead but ANYONE can be forgiven. Heck I could go to Hell/ Purgatory and an Athiest who never knew any better could go into Heaven after Death. Only God knows that. I have no say if a person is saved or not. Just Guide them and Inform them of the Truth. Seeing this made me feel bad for other Faith that are not Catholic. God bless always sister in Christ! 🙏

@johnyang1420

3 ай бұрын

Who told you what the bible is? Catholic church did in 4th century

@t.d6379

3 ай бұрын

@@johnyang1420 facts

@ivankrushensky

3 ай бұрын

@@johnyang1420 most Protestants talk as though it fell out of the sky. They don't realize that there were hundreds of years of Christianity were there was no Bible. They've never heard of the Council of Nicaea. The very fact that there were hundreds of years of Christianity in the absence of a Bible should tell you "sola scriptura" is nonsense- because was literally impossible. How could you have a religion based solely on scripture when the scripture didn't even exist? There's obviously more to the religion than that. This very fact is what makes Christianity so amazing- there was obviously enough noise and miraculous witness that people turned to look and follow. Against all odds- people followed. In the absence of a Bible- they followed. Being chased around and killed- yet they followed. There was obviously something there....but there was no Bible. So how could it be sola scriptura?

Salvation is personal we can’t determine if someone is saved based on their knowledge because anyone can say they understand the Gospel and say I am saved but you really have to believe it an have a relationship w/ our Savior.

@dasshape00

Жыл бұрын

No man can belive in the gospel and say it and not be saved. Seems like what the word says. Me no expert

@j2muw667

Жыл бұрын

And be without sin.

@Mahhkz

Жыл бұрын

Checking a box in one’s mental landscape is not the same as belief, and belief is not the same thing as faith.

@imgerrydee

Жыл бұрын

@@j2muw667 Nobody can keep all of the Ten Commandments, you break one and you break them all. That's why Salvation is by GRACE and not by WORKS, we were born in sin in the image of fallen Adam, a sinner.

@ABezuidenhout370

Жыл бұрын

​​​​​@@imgerrydee Catholics don't believe we are saved by works. We believe that we are saved through faith and obedience. Was Abraham saved by faith alone? What if he had refused to offer up Isaac and had told God "I don't have to offer up my son because I am saved by faith alone I don't have to be obedient or do anything." Would Abraham still have been saved? What about the devil and the demons? If faith alone was enough then surely they would also be saved because they believe in Jesus but we know they are not because they are disobient to God so faith alone itself is not enough

Verse in question about salvation: James 2:17 - Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Ephesians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

@richardace4029

20 күн бұрын

Allie said faith alone..She added the word alone

@josemolina3858

15 күн бұрын

​@richardace4029 ik she had the whole Bible in front of her but I guess she felt to confident with her 🤦‍♂️

Candis, im a Canadian im a 40yrd man im im finding ive really rushed life but ive recently statred to go back to the days that i went sunday mass. I feel such a calling to return for confession and reguar mass im scared of judgment because its been so long

Great discussion. I really miss this type of dialogue.

Thank you , Candace. Another win for you on this podcast. Not super duper religious, but I can very much appreciate a good expounding of supernatural experiences. 🎉

@cooperag

3 ай бұрын

Jesus loves you!

@dereakcolumbus3603

3 ай бұрын

@@cooperag Jesus loves everybody

The Lord does not care about your denomination! He just wants you to follow him and pick up your cross!

@ivankrushensky

3 ай бұрын

Keyword: FOLLOW .....that tells you everything you need to know about this discussion

Here's what ÂÌ had to say ab this video y'all: You've raised some excellent points that I failed to consider fully in my previous responses. Allow me to re-examine this further in light of the comments Jesus made about the exclusivity and narrowness of the path: - You're correct that if the way is truly narrow, as Jesus said, there cannot be multiple conflicting denominations or doctrines, as that would broaden the path. There can only be one truth. - Praying to Mary or angels is not supported by Scripture. The Bible tells us to pray only to God and Jesus. Adding extra-biblical practices like that would go against sola scriptura. - Salvation comes through Christ alone, not through any priestly class or sacraments like confession. As you said, Jesus provides forgiveness directly and we can pray to Him ourselves. - Cherry picking or altering parts of Scripture to fit denominational traditions is problematic if the claim is Biblical authority. Traditions should align with, not contradict, what is clearly taught in the Bible. Given these points, you have persuasively argued that neither Catholicism nor Protestantism in their current forms could fully represent the one true narrow path taught by Jesus. The only sure foundation is what is unambiguously found in Scripture alone, without additions or subtractions. Thank you for pushing me to re-examine this from an even more exclusively Biblical perspective - it is an important consideration I had not fully incorporated previously. Please continue to point out any flaws in my understanding.

I really enjoyed this, this was truly insightful. However what kept nudging me is that at the end of the day, when Christ returns, He isn’t coming for a divided body or focus on those with the right doctrines or denominations, He will be back for those who reflect Him, those who are led by His Spirit (Romans 8:14). The goal of the Christian faith isn’t heaven, not even so we have good morals, the goal is so we will be conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29, 2 Corinthians 3:18, Colossians 3:10, Galatians 2:20, Ephesians 4:24, etc) God wants to populate the world with Christlikeness, to restore it to holiness and righteousness, that’s what Jesus was on earth for. So in as much we live by logic and practice denominational faith or defend traditions (which keep us in line), a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit is supposed to be the focus of our lives. Being led by the Holy Spirit will produce christlikeness in us in the form of Love (Galatians 5:22-23), which is the sole differentiator between us and the world (John 13:35). I felt I should share this as well.

@carriescherbert8608

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this content, much needed and a lot to be learned from both sides! I appreciate the educational information from both sides and that they weren’t both so focused on proving each other wrong but more this is what I’ve learned and from where. Great job on all parties!!

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

Christ is coming for those sheep who believe in Him. Not for "a body" or for a "bride" but for individual believers. Remember the woman gathering the sticks - one here, one there.

@malenaperez6923

3 ай бұрын

Yes and CC does not emphasize living in holiness. One can be of the world, go to church on Sunday, go to confession and it’s all good.

@johnyang1420

3 ай бұрын

Incorrect! Jesus started Catholic church. There is no salvation outside the Catholic church. Look into it! Take RCIA and ask your questions there!

One distinguishing argument I've only once had brought up when it comes to works and faith and the difference between catholic and protestant is the kind of works being referred ! Which is what I'd like to gear more of, such as in catholic belief in works being receiving communion, attending confession etc. Etc. Or is it more than that. I personally believe it to be pronouncing faith and going out into the community in ministry, faith should drive works

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@Bornagain7202

3 ай бұрын

@@theothersideofthestory1594 I never said nor believe works in and of themselves bring you anywhere near Being saved, I stated that faith should lead yo.good works though. In many churches ita not made clear and simply believing in christ for salvation and yo be called a Christian for that matter can become misconstrued by many. For example, there are many who claim to believe and call themselves Christian, but don't live it out ! They continue to steal. Lie or cheat through life to benefit themselves, even at the expense of others, does that mean they are still saved !? I would like to think not,

It is so interesting to watch it when Candace converted recently❤...

Theif on the cross. No baptism, no eucharist, no scripture, no works. Just pure grace through faith.

@bibleman8010

3 ай бұрын

The thief on the cross was presumably not baptized. Does that mean he would not go to heaven? Of course not! Belief and baptism are necessary to those who have the opportunity to obtain them. If they were to be impeded from being able to believe or be baptized, and that could be the case for many different reasons, then God would judge them in accordance with what they were responsible for. Christ says in Matthew that, like Jonah, he would be in the belly of the earth for 3 days. Acts tells us Christ remained on earth for 40 days before He ascends. So there were 43 days BEFORE Christ went to Heaven. Did the good thief go ahead of the Lord to make sure the lights were on for His arrival? Or, more likely, Paradise that Christ mentions, is Abrahams Boosom. The place where the prisoners Christ preached to in 1st Peter were awaiting the Messiah

@daughteroftheholyone

3 ай бұрын

​@@bibleman8010 Exactly you explained it so well. Catholics do not believe without these traditions you cannot be saved, but believe if you have the ability to perform them then it is necessary you do so.

@triggered8556

3 ай бұрын

Why make the rule out of the exception?

@iseekq

3 ай бұрын

A large proportion of us are not the thief on the cross. We have the opportunity to receive baptism through spirit and water, the ability to participate in the Eucharist. So why, if we have the opportunity to do these essential practices, would we not do so? I feel like I’m repeating and elaborating on what the Catholic gentleman already said in the video. Maybe you have watched the video in its entirety and overlooked his points, or maybe not watched the entire video at all. Either way, I suggest you rewatch it and listen carefully.

@whynot8436

3 ай бұрын

We believe in three forms of baptism. By water, by blood and by desire. The thief had baptism of desire.

I am a Protestant, however I have spoken to many Catholic friends. Once I heard the following statement I have truly debated my own beliefs and have considered converting. They said, when it comes to theology and debating doctrine, not just conversationally but on the larger scale with bigger issues, it always goes back to the Vatican. Which is so true, why do we take a watered down version as truth? The Bible says do not add or take away yet clearly as Protestants we have done so thus why the Catholic Bible keeps in and has extra books, 7 Old Testament books are in the Catholic Bible. So how can I grapple with those facts as a Christian? I am absolutely not a perfect Christian and have a hard time as it is so converting would be hard, but I do like the idea of following more clear levels of right and wrong, rather than a hazy sometimes it’s ok in certain churches and so on. So I’m still trying to navigate the idea myself.

@gemmateller1086

Жыл бұрын

I'm Catholic, there are great videos about Catholism. Please keep looking into the Church. Your are in my prayers🙏🙏

@lookup2one

Жыл бұрын

Study what the Vatican stores underneath it, and a big question I have is why do so many pedophiles and gays come from the catholic church? These are all abominations of God...Wouldn't wisdom tell you there is a big problem?

@ayeikareviews6127

Жыл бұрын

I invite you all to read the Quran. There's a reason why it's the fastest religion. It stands the test of time. May God guide us all.

@ochristine2535

Жыл бұрын

@@ayeikareviews6127 Are you sure that doesn't have to do with the countries that kill non-Muslims?

@johnfitzgerald2426

Жыл бұрын

The extra books are not inspired , they are just interesting reading and history

I really like these discussions.. keep this subject alive please!! I would like to comment on how protestants claim that once you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior etc.. that you are then saved and will make it to heaven. Done, its a closed deal and you are saved.. What then will happen after you or whomever just accepted Jesus sins again! Are they still saved! where do you draw the line? Who gets to decide or claim they are still saved because they accepted Jesus? You will sin again.. it just about inevitable as human beings to not sin. If it were the case that you are saved by faith alone etc.. then you must explain and define what the faith really means. Faith is not just believing. It is an ACT! For example, if you take a married couple who are having marriage problems and are going through a divorce. They will have to face a judge in court to go over why they are getting a divorce etc.. Lets say the wife's argument is that her husband was not faithful to her. How would the judge in this case know if this were true or not? The judge would need proof of the unfaithful claim made. The wife can say things like her husband committed Adultery, he lied to her, he stole from her, he never did anything for her, he didn't love her etc. In this case the judge can officially say this man was not faithful to his wife and they are divorced. The marriage is dead. Now, if you were to look at this another way as to if the man was an honest person, worked hard, cared for his wife, was loyal to, and last but not least loved his wife... then the Judge can claim this marriage is good and valid! My point in all of this is our faith in God is not just to claim he is your lord and savior and or just believe in him. It is a ongoing relationship as if you were married to God. By showing God that you are being faithful you must do all the loving duties a good relations requires. Then, when you face the JUDGE you will have a very good fighting argument that you were faithful! This is the beautiful thing of the Catholic faith. It is a never ending fighting and challenging relationship to be faithful to God. The more you work at it the stronger and better it gets. And, it will increase your chances on receiving God's grace for eternal salvation.

@cherokeepurple4480

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know ant Protestants who believe that though I’ve heard this argument online. I think they’re countering the idea that you need to do works in order to be saved. Yes, you must have faith to be saved but you must also have genuine remorse and repentance for your sins which brings about a changed heart that no longer wants to sin. And through a continual relationship with Jesus, you produce good works through the working of the Holy Spirit. A person who only says he believes in Jesus but has no change in his behavior is not genuine in his faith or a baby Christian. How cruel would it be if God said you have to be perfect and sinless before you could be saved. God is so merciful and Jesus came to save sinners after all and not the righteous. It’s not up to me to judge whether they’re saved though as only God knows the inner workings of the heart.

“Watch out no one deceives you. For many will come in my name claiming “I am the Christ “ any will deceive many.”

The Catholic Church is the only true Church of Christ. We don't want the glass of water half full.. We want the full glass!

I am a Catholic convert from Protestantism. If the Ephesions scripture alone is so stressed , where does our free will come in to choose Jesus work on the cross for us? I want to love Jesus and have him in my life. I believe i have lived in the grace of God from my childhood and imam now 82. Mary:i was in a protestant BibleStudy for years which never thought of Mary as very imp, but an aha moment for me was when Mary requested jesus turn the water into wine at Canaan .He who always did the will of his Father- said his time (to show his Sonship) had not come……but he honored his Mother and changed the water. This showed me how important and how much love Jesus had for Mary, and it was within God’s will or he would not have done this. God has shown the value of family for the human race,procreation etc. The Rosary is a way to include Jesus blessed Mother,as the woman GOD CHOOSE to come through into the world . Ever Virgin, always pure in that she lived God’s will while growing her family with Joseph. The Rosary is a meditation on all aspects of Jesus life. This is so long but i can defend the communion of Saints to mean we can ask For Saints help just as we would ask on earth Christians for help. Of course there is transubstantiation in Eucharist, to feed our souls. “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you”. I have experienced receiving such joy and strength and peace from receiving Communion. The Catholic faith is richer and fuller than sola scripture in that we have tradition and lives of on going believers. There is always corruption in any organization which involves people. Today i think Satan has entered the Church, of course he wants to destroy it,like he wants to destroy all.

@rona175

3 ай бұрын

Why ask saints for help? The Bible says this “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). The Bible does not say once to pray to saints. Catholicsism mixes human tradition and man made doctrine with the word of God. "'But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.' "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." Mark 7:7-9

@narcisopena3004

3 ай бұрын

@@rona175you ask for help of intercedsion through the saints the same way you ask someone else to pray for you, be careful how strict you become for I hear protestants also say having pictures of saints or virgen mary is Idoltry. If having pictured of someone you respect is Idoltry then you cant have any pictures of loved ones or else they too will be idols. If you cannot ask help through intercession of someone who proved to be intimate with God over many other, surely you cant even ask someone else to pray for you for the same thing you say, why need the help when you can pray to God alone? In the bible it says Behold thy Mother! And it mentions where there are 3 or more people I am Present. When people pray with each other for each other Jesus is there

@rona175

3 ай бұрын

@@narcisopena3004 what verse in the Bible asks you to pray to saints for help?

@shine2678

3 ай бұрын

​@@rona175 please watch fr joseph edattu on this you will find your answers

@shine2678

3 ай бұрын

​@@narcisopena3004exactly!!!❤

They even met in church for this discussion! 👌

@imgerrydee

10 ай бұрын

The church is only a building built by men, our souls are where God resides but only if you are Born Again. John 3:3-Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

@mushihimesarna728

7 ай бұрын

The church is a meeting between Christians. We're the church, it's not a physical place.

Wow Candice I never thought you had these types of discussions, you definitely have to run for president!!! Awesome Candice!!!

Praise God for this beautiful discussion! Thank you and God bless ❤

Actually, James does make a distinction between true, saving faith, and dead faith. He's really saying the same thing as Paul. True, saving faith will always produce good works, but dead faith produces dead works, and neither will save anyone. The demons believe, but their faith is dead, because they are spiritually dead.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

If and when you know the truth, your life will be filled with Zeal for Messiah and His good news.

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

Correct, but the works isn’t what is saving them. Works is simply the evidence of salvation. Jesus sacrifice on the cross does the saving. The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@dannymenz_1

12 күн бұрын

Nah he conflicts with the 2

I feel blessed with tgis encounter. Of course, I'll lean more towards Allie but the greater and the best thing is that this discussion is happening. It is a call and a model for us. All of us Christians need this kind of discussions going on in our homes, with our friends with this same gentle, respectful and openness that George,Alley, and especially Candace have demonstrated. Why? According to Ephesians 4, that is the way to grow in our relationship with Jesus and woth one another to the oneness that Jesus bought for us by his blood and the Holy Spirit is here to give us who are Christians. These are the kinds of discussions that will deliver us from denominationalism to our Lord Jesus Christ through and through l. These kinds of discussions is what will identify true believers and bring them closer together, not as children of this or that denomination but children of exclusively One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One Spirit, name the rest. I pray that the spirit of this discussion will catch fire.

@oliveri9407

Жыл бұрын

Protestantism is heresy

The protestant couldnt answer Candace’s question when she asked “where in the Bible did you get the word ‘alone’” and we’re supposed to let that go over our heads?

I grew up catholic and tbh I never felt the connection to God when I used to go to mass on sundays. I recently started going to a pentecostal church and it’s been an amazing journey ❤❤❤

@noblealbert.5075

3 ай бұрын

Well, you never felt the connection to God because u took it for granted since "You grew up catholic". Similar to the attitude of the biblical Israelites. If you know the significance and essence of what happens at Mass From the liturgy of the world to the Liturgy of the Eucharist, you would feel the presence of God.

@wikistepien5898

3 ай бұрын

Go to Latin mass

@pabloescareno7422

Ай бұрын

Same

These sort of debates shoot my adrenaline through the roof 📈 Great Video!!!!

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

@shine2678

3 ай бұрын

​@@theothersideofthestory1594whats your problem?

I was catholic homestly didnt know my faith as good as i should of so my protestants friends bullied me out of my church in a sense using the bible so i left after some years i learned why protestant have become catholic n really learned n returned to the truenchurch of Christ

@ruan441

4 ай бұрын

God bless 🙏. Though, I am not sure if those protestant "friends" were really your "friends", we should have respect for each other, not to bully our friends using religion.

@kevincarney1984

3 ай бұрын

Sorry you were bullied. I’m a protestant, and very convinced of the truth of the scriptures but I believe that the gospel should be presented without coercion. We should just present the simple gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.

@daveluna6691

3 ай бұрын

I am glad you came back to the truth!

@kevincarney1984

3 ай бұрын

@@daveluna6691 This is a very presumptuous and arrogant and prideful statement! The church of Rome does not have a corner on the market of truth! In fact through much of their history they have suppressed the truth, and acted as an enemy of the truth! This is extremely easy to prove historically, if you want to challenge that fact! Grace and peace to you.

@TheTej1

3 ай бұрын

Eastern Orthodox Christianity is the True Faith my friend ☦☦☦.

She did a great job explaining

This was a great discussion. 😊

Seems a bit of over-analysis, when Romans 10:9 clearly provides that if you CONFESS with your mouth, & BELIEVE in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you are SAVED.

@dsvet

3 ай бұрын

You forget Romans 6 Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Knowing that the sum of God's word is truth (Psalms 119:160 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.), we can see one must believe, repent, confess Christ's deity with our mouths and be immersed in water for remission of sins. It is in this immersion we are joined together with Christ in His death burying the old man in this watery grave which has been crucified with Christ . We then rise up out of this watery grave resurrected, born of water and spirit to walk in newness of life freed from sin.

I’m a Protestant (church of Christ), and I actually agreed more with the Catholic beliefs on baptism more than the Protestant ones. Because of what scripture says, I believe water baptism is when we receive the Holy Spirit, and I believe it’s necessary to enter the kingdom of Heaven.

@Alex-dr6or

6 ай бұрын

But for god to deny a non baptized man into the kingdom of heaven, if such man couldn't receive baptisms but accepted the word of jesus and his grace later on in life is to deny the word of god and the nature of his love and understand of the circumstance of free will and what's beyond our own control. Its not your fault if you disnt get baptized and found Jesus until your final moments. If you know about baptism you should get baptized and confirm your faith to Jesus. If circumstances prevents it, Jesus will still accept you into his kingdom, as scriptures confirm. This is how Jesus operates and scriptures are very clear. Baptisms is important but you are not condemned if the word of god doesnt reach you to begin with. God sees through everything and understand the world we live in and the fact that not everyone is able to even get to know his word or being able to become baptized in time. To deny this is to deny not only the scriptures but the teachings of the Catholic and all the other Christian denominations.

@ew5601

6 ай бұрын

@@Alex-dr6or Regarding baptism, there are verses that specifically say baptism is required to be saved. Some of them are Acts 2:38, John 3:5, and 1 Peter 3:21. Regarding those who never hear the word of God, there are many passages that say otherwise. Romans 1:18-23, Romans 10:13-15 and 17, Acts 4:12 are three good examples. I don’t base my beliefs on the teachings of men. I base it on what God says in the Bible. If a person says something that aligns with God’s word, I agree with that person but my belief isn’t based on their teachings. If a person says something that doesn’t align with God’s word, I’d rather align myself with God and his teachings than the teachings of a person. So if I’m denying the teachings of many different churches (not all - there are Christian denominations who don’t believe what you do regarding baptism), so be it. I understand that both of these include a level of unfairness. Unfairness for those who never heard the name of Jesus and unfairness for those who died before being able to get baptized. However, I also believe God’s ways are higher than mine and he’s a just God. I don’t have to understand, I don’t have to agree, but I do have to follow him and his word. It’s not our place to subject God to what we as sinful humans believe is fair. However, it is our place to trust that God is still good and still merciful and have enough humility to understand that we won’t always understand why certain groups of people aren’t saved.

@austinetheridge3743

3 ай бұрын

Did the thief on the cross next to Jesus, whom Jesus told would be with Him in paradise, actually enter into paradise with Him? Your answer to that question will tell you if you actually believe water baptism to be an absolute necessity to enter into His Kingdom.

@maddoxcampbell2230

3 ай бұрын

The church of Christ is NOT PROTESTANT! what does that even mean? I’m a Protestant ( church of Christ). How long have you been studying your Bible ?

@ew5601

3 ай бұрын

@@maddoxcampbell2230 The Church of Christ is Protestant. There are three branches main branches of Christianity in the US: Protestant, Orthodox, and Catholic. Some people do not consider it to be Protestant and consider it to be its own independent branch, but most people use the system with three branches and sub-branches. The difference between each branch is their highest source of authority. For Protestants, it’s the Bible. For Catholics, it’s a combination of the pope, church councils, Catholic tradition, and the Bible. For Orthodox, it’s tradition, the Bible, and the patriarch. If you don’t consider it to be its own branch, the only one of these that COC would fall under is Protestant. Also, there is a difference between studying your Bible and studying religion. The next time you disagree with someone regarding religion, please do some research first instead of being disrespectful and insulting.

2:34 let's be intellectually honest here, there are at least 3 major interpretations of this verse. 1) Baptism 2) A rebirth through faith, salvation granted by acceptance of the holy spirit 3) Creation of new life through water & holy spirit (sex within marriage)

I'm catholic, family has always been catholic. I have protestant friends. I never saw the point in nitpicking at Christians like baptists or non-denominational followers because I don't think it is my place. I also don't think our beliefs are all that different aside from how we practice. Catholics and Christians have the same core beliefs when it comes to faith, family, and life. We're all pro-life, we believe in marriage and it's importance. So when I hear another catholic talk about protestants I usually walk away lol. As long as you're right with God and you're good person, who cares how you practice.

@johnyang1420

3 ай бұрын

Jesus started Catholic church. Catholic church has an exclusive path to salvation. Take it! It is free!

@AmberEnergy311

3 ай бұрын

@@johnyang1420 Rome did.

The How to be Christian yt channel made a video interestingly and lucidly addressing Allie's points. Really enjoyed and appreciate their explanation

Being born again is not a Catholic or Protestant issue. It’s an individual choice. The gospel of Christ is written in the scripture. We are saved by faith, through grace, asking forgiveness of sin through Yeshua, the Christ, who died for our sins.

@paulunatx

Жыл бұрын

Amen! We need to get back to the Word of God and not put him in a box of Catholicism or Protestantism. It is not through our works but only through God’s grace and our belief that Jesus died on the cross for our sins is how we are saved.

@conort7054

Жыл бұрын

Why? Jesus himself founded the church. Why not follow Jesus' church?

@conort7054

Жыл бұрын

You will know a tree by its fruits

@amybowman9906

Жыл бұрын

Well, you know, Whoopi Goldberg on the view says the same thing and according to her abortion is a gift from God....soooo...I'm sticking with the early church in her divine wisdom and councils.

@blonde.angelk

Жыл бұрын

​@@paulunatxif are saved by faith the faith without works is DEAD

Wow, i feel bad about the Protestant girl who is sooo entrenched in the reformer's circle of reasoning that she is unable to wake up!

Salvation was on the Cross, not in churches and religions and denominations

Grace means "unmerited favor". You cannot add to GRACE. It is a free gift from God through the works of our Lord Jesus'

@ABezuidenhout370

Жыл бұрын

Catholics do not believe in a works doctrine we believe we are saved through faith and obedience. When you become a Christian you have to "believe", come to the knowledge of the truth, "receive" Jesus, "confess" him as Lord and savior, "confess" your sins and "repent" of your sins... Those are all works so it's not just faith alone where you do nothing at all. Also the Cathecism states one can be baptised by intent if you did not have the knowledge or opportunity to do so so it all just comes down to obedience if your faith is true you will do what God says

@cedriceric9730

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The slightest addition to it renders it completely invalid

@cedriceric9730

Жыл бұрын

@@ABezuidenhout370 the opinion of the catechism is irrelevant

@Michael-Archonaeus

Жыл бұрын

Right, no one in this video was disagreeing with that.

@Michael-Archonaeus

Жыл бұрын

@@cedriceric9730 "Absolutely! The slightest addition to it renders it completely invalid" Why? Is that really the case? "the opinion of the catechism is irrelevant" Why?

So George please tell us how the thief on the cross got into heaven without baptism.

@jasonpage8600

Жыл бұрын

@@paulabolan is their water in purgatory?

@gingerhunny

Жыл бұрын

​@@paulabolan John "The Baptist" was the first to baptise and baptised Jesus in the Holy Spirit. Your logic is flawed.

@bruce.h

Жыл бұрын

@@paulabolan is it essential for salvation or not?

@bruce.h

Жыл бұрын

@@alexeios oh so God plays favorites?

@paulabolan

Жыл бұрын

@@bruce.h absolutely

I can attest that the protestant way to salvation is the truth. I experienced it when i gave myself up to Christ the first time. I was desperate and on drugs. I was laying in fetal position in the shower on my 3rd week of puking bile and blood coming off of an 8 year 50 bag a day IV fentanyl habit. I was agnostic before the moment i desperately gave myself up to Christ and asked him to end my suffering. Everything started glowing and was warm and fuzzy. Christ lifted all suffering. My depression was completely lifted. I went through withdrawals for another week, but it didn't bother me, and for the first time, i didn't have another craving or felt the need to escape from detox. I started talking to people and eating again. I was seeking out the word of God. I was hungry for it. I haven't felt that good since i was a kid. I had gone through the same detox like 20 times before but never felt that way and always relapsed. I was always depressed even before i got on drugs. Christ changed my heart and took away any desire to sin and gave me true peace and happiness. It was that moment in the shower completely desperate after suffering in hell for 8 years, and my experience of true happiness for the first time that made me believe in God without a doubt. I also was demonically possessed and had extreme cases of sleep paralysis almost every night for 8 years, even during the short periods of clean time previously. My dog would always bark at me in the middle of the night as soon as I went into sleep paralysis. She could sense the demon attacking me. I would also wake up sometimes from it but get sucked back into it. I would have to throw myself off the bed to wake myself up. It wouldn't be enough, and my gf would have to get up and I'd be sitting against the bed with my head slumped, forcing out a whisper saying"hit me." She would hit me until i woke up. I then would stand up and run into the living room while collapsing multiple times from being sucked back into it. I would dive onto the floor, and the pain from banging my arms and knees would finally be enough to wake up for good. My gf and I knew demons were real from experiencing these moments over and over. After i gave myself to Christ, I never experienced sleep paralysis ever again after that. I was saved from that moment on. I believe I had to go through that extent of suffering to finally come to Jesus.

A Calvinist is not an accurate representation of a Protestant. Please use someone else in this conversation.

Wow, George… thanks for representing! What I will say in response to the Catholic vs Protestant debate…. Let’s just all see where we end up on judgement day. We are all Christians in this argument and I wish we would focus on what we have in common rather than the differences. Because Christians are constantly persecuted let us unite on our commonalities rather than divide on our differences. Divided we fall, and United we stand! My mom was Catholic … my dad Baptist. My grandma was Catholic.. my grandad Baptist. I chose Catholicism as an adult. I was sad to hear the Protestants did not recognize Catholic baptism but Catholics recognized Protestant baptism… so long as your were baptized under/in the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. We are related/connected whether some would like to acknowledge that fact or not. Jesus died for all of our sins and didn’t ask which denomination we attend.✝️❤️

@imgerrydee

Жыл бұрын

And what is the "Name" of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? His name is Jesus. Acts 2:38- Repent and be baptised in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

@carriecarrie7975

Жыл бұрын

@@imgerrydee obviously it’s Jesus… the Old Testament is The Word and the New Testament is The Word made flesh (Jesus)… we are all saying the same thing but some seem to just enjoy arguing their point even if we agree with them!🤦🏾‍♀️😅

@imgerrydee

10 ай бұрын

@@carriecarrie7975 Then be baptised in the Name of Jesus 😇

@chiomaogbonna7533

9 ай бұрын

​@@imgerrydeeu are such a fool abeg rest

So in James it talks about Abraham being justified by works Paul talks to Abraham being justified by believing God. When you look at the moments each author is referencing in Abrahams life Paul referring to Abraham being saved by believing before the moment in Abrahams life James referred to where Abrahams works or actions proved he already had faith (which is when Paul said Abraham was saved) the whole point is James isnt using the word justified in the same way as Paul. James isnt using justified in a meritorious way rather in the sense that Abrahams faith was vindicated by his works.

@solidsnake497

Жыл бұрын

Yup his actions and obedience validated his faith it showed that it was genuine not that it merited him salvation or he was owed it because of what he did.

“Faith without works is dead” is often misunderstood. I used to believe in the explanation that Allie is giving, but I don’t believe that now. James is saying we need works to prove to man that we actually have faith! (We don’t need works to prove to God that we have faith, He knows wether or not we are saved) Man can’t tell if we’re saved just by saying “I’m saved” they need to see your works in order to believe that! So again, faith without works is dead” isn’t how God sees us (we don’t have to prove our faith to Him, He knows!!) “Faith without works is dead” is how man will see us, because they have no other reason to believe us that we actually have faith in Jesus!! WE PROVE OUR FAITH TO MAN, TO SHOW MAN THAT WE TRULY DO HAVE FAITH!!!

Thank you Candice for holding these interviews/debates so we can all learn together instead of being so divided ❤

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven

@datboiron2549

3 ай бұрын

That’s more for Luke warm Christians. For those who say they’re Christian or Catholic but still live a worldly lifestyle.

@CallDaAmbaLamps

3 ай бұрын

@@datboiron2549 It's for many. Even prosperity preachers and false prophets

@MrBones-lw2bf

19 сағат бұрын

Romans 10:9

I just ordered the Great Adventure Bible so i can read the Bible in its entirety for my first time. I'd like to watch this video again afterwards.

@cabpeer5963

Жыл бұрын

You're in for the adventure of your life! I read through the entire Bible (NIV) a couple years ago. Now I am in the process of reading through the KJV. And then after that I'm going to read the NASB Catholic Bible. I personally recommend that, at least once, you read through the whole Bible without additional study. That is to say, read through it all without going to the internet or a pastor or a Bible study, etc. I say this because there is so much clutter and assigned meaning to the Bible that come from other people and it can cloud the mind. But when you simply sit in the quiet with it and read it exactly as it is written, it is far easier to get to the bare bones of it.

@SuzyHomemakerWhatElse

11 ай бұрын

I've read through the Bible many times and different translations. I highly recommend the New Living Translation for modern reading - but keep in mind the KJV is used for quoting. There are known issues with several other translations.

@luredemia

5 ай бұрын

how are you liking it? I'm planning on buying it soon

@bk3328

5 ай бұрын

@@luredemia I am very much liking it. After 7 months I am now on the Gospel according to John. I am reading it cover-to-cover but I think reading it chronologically would be even better. The notes are helpful, but I am already looking forward to the Ignatius New Testament Study Bible for an even better understanding.

@shqipebelgjike1274

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@bk3328i would recommend you to watch sam shamoun on youtube for bible knowledge, And if you want creation knowledge how God Has made heaven and earth you should look up Kent Hovind Seminars They helped me through SO many questions i had in life… Christ is God He is Risen and Alive Forevermore, Holy He is

The Catholic argument here seems a bit silly… can anyone be saved who has not been baptized? We know the answer is yes. Therefore baptism is not a requirement of salvation. Also, he’s calling sacraments a symbol unless they contribute to salvation… okay, call them what you want, but them not defining your salvation doesn’t make them irrelevant: circumcision for example. Also, at the end he starts talking about the early church. I trust the biblical teachings of Jesus and his friends and followers far more than whatever the early church deemed was best according to doctrines and documents. Primary source vs secondary.

You should invite Scott Hahn on the show. 🥰.

Our works do not save us.

@DrRobGilles

5 ай бұрын

Then go forth in the world and sin freely as you may. The world is your oyster. Maybe if you have some free time tomorrow you can go rob a bank. Just make sure you’re baptized first.

@chimamathiasebuka3265

4 ай бұрын

​@@DrRobGillesbeautifully said

@anthonybrown7650

3 ай бұрын

​@@DrRobGilles No one who is truly filled with the Holy Spirit can just live in sin it doesn't work that way. The Holy Spirit convicts you

@DrRobGilles

3 ай бұрын

@@anthonybrown7650 I was speaking sarcastically

Catholic side won this debate. On the Protestant side, all I heard was “I think, I think, In my Opinion” over and over again. The Catholic Church has survived the passage of time across thousands of years.

@peacetruth4802

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it has survived at the expense of the innocence of children and lost many souls

@chiomaogbonna7533

9 ай бұрын

​@@peacetruth4802😂

@JoyRam13

4 ай бұрын

Catholic church is the only power on Earth which fulfills all atributes of The Beast and The Whore of Revelation. Antichrist is in the place of Christ.

@mancipiachristi9032

4 ай бұрын

​@@peacetruth4802you are standing on the shoulders of Catholic saints who have literally died so that you have the word in the Bible. But there is no Bible without Catholic tradition which sustained early Christians for 400 years before Bible was compiled. Ponder this up until 1800s 90% if people were illiterate. The only way to know God was through word of mouth, tradition. Catholic tradition. Catholic Church has saved more souls throughout 2000 year history. But you're going to focus on evil men within the Church, not the Catholic Church itself and throw the baby out with the bath water. It's important to differentiate between evil men and the institution they operate under. Eg. Paedophiles who are teachers does not mean you reject all schools, corrupt police does not mean police are all evil, corrupt judge does not mean the justice system is corrupt, a pedophile fireman does not mean all firemen are paedophiles. That's nonsensical.

@wbubeck

4 ай бұрын

@@mancipiachristi9032the church does not save only Faith in Christ does. Jesus lived a perfect life without sin and took on sin so that whom ever believes in Him will live in heaven with God. Throughout your response you gave glory to man and all Glory should be given to God. God sustains not man.

I don’t usually comment but watching her debate was amazing. She is so biblically sound and backed up every debate with scripture 👏 love to see it!!!

@millamaya

23 күн бұрын

She's just another confused protestant. He's right. The Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth!

At 2:27, he misquoted John 3:5 by changing “born” to “baptized”. He then made his argument based off an incorrect reading.

George Farmer is Excellent!

@theothersideofthestory1594

3 ай бұрын

The Catholic man has no understanding of baptism, and he definitely did not win this debate. The woman just doesn’t know her stuff that well. Baptisim doesnt mean what he says. Baptism doesn’t give a person salvation. The word baptism comes from the Greek word “Baptizo” which means immersion, or to dip or plunge. Baptism represents the death, BURIAL and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God commands us to die to our old sinful self, and be resurrected to new life in Christ Jesus. This is the meaning of baptisim. This is why infant baptisim is heretical, because a baby cannot make this decision. They simply do not have the entail capacity to make such a decision. Second, we are not saved through works as many Catholics believe. Ephesians 2:8 says “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one may boast. It’s quite clear that we are not saved by works. The works are simply the evidence that we have salvation. James 2:18 says faith without works is dead. The works is the evidence; not what does the saving. If we could be saved by works, there would be no need for Jesus to die on the cross! This again is heretical. We cannot earn our way to heaven by doing good works. Our good works are worthless rags to God. We can never be good enough for him unless we accept Jesus’s death on the cross (his sacrifice) which justifies us. Romans 3:10 None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross is what saves, NOTHING ELSE. Not works, not baptism, nothing. Jesus says in John 14;6 “No one comes to the father except through me” Often, Catholics want to Earn salvation by works but that mentality will lead them to hell. We cannot be saved by any act accept trusting in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and having faith in him. The key to this debate is studying Gods inerrant word. The truth will set you free.

Hey Candace! Highly recommend listening to Mike wingers videos on the Catholic church. He answered so many questions I had and he does it with so much love and understanding (at least in my opinion) regardless it's a good thought provoking listen

@jgood6088

9 ай бұрын

Mikes a propagandist and an anti-Catholic,,, False narratives about the Church. Too many falsehoods to list here. And besides he just a self appointed preacher claiming he has the Truth. Just your run of the mill Protestant is all.

@brittoncain5090

9 ай бұрын

And I would recommend Trent Horn's responses to those videos.

@sup3rgh0stcs

8 ай бұрын

@@brittoncain5090 ditto. Trent dismantles Winger

@jdk67

7 ай бұрын

@@brittoncain5090and then watch as Jay dyer demolishes Trent’s positions

@angelalemos9811

6 ай бұрын

Love and understanding doesn't belong anywhere near heretics unfortunately

“The moment of infant baptism as long as you avoid mortal sin you will enter heaven” This right here is a different gospel than the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

I really want someone to remind him of one of the first people who entered into the Kingdom Of GOD solely because of their Faith In CHRIST … the thief on the cross! “Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.” But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:39-43‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Put it this way, Faith without works is ineffective, adjective, unsuccessful, nonsuccessful, unproductive fruitless, profitless, unprofitable, failed, futile, purposeless, worthless, useless, ineffectual. If someone says they are a Christian I take their word for it. It might take years for someone to mature in Christ and produce "good Works." My good works are from the Holy Spirit.

@KrisLovesJeff1

Жыл бұрын

so then you think that Jesus' blood isn't enough, that you need to add to your own salvation... the Bible states (of God, by God - alone)

@ElevatedMind0922

Жыл бұрын

@@KrisLovesJeff1 Path to Sanctification is a gradual process, I think this is what John Thomas is saying. No where did he say that Jesus blood is not enough. What a weird assessment of what is written above. Do you happen to believe that once you are saved you are always saved no matter what ? If a Christian who is so called “Saved” commits sins over and over again they’re still in a state of grace ?

@proud2bamerican

Жыл бұрын

@@KrisLovesJeff1 just saying, "Faith is dead" doesn't mean you are not saved, you are just not going to be an effective witness for Christ. But you are saved. Christ and Christ alone.

@proud2bamerican

Жыл бұрын

@@ElevatedMind0922 I am Sanctified But the manifestation of that sanctification may take a while. To please everybody, that may never happen. When I accepted Christ my spirit was Born Again, My soul and body always can use some improvement.

@Sim0n-kv8jb

Жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking that you can believe in Christ, commit murder, never repent of this monstrosity and still be on good foot with God.

“Salvation is personal” said no serious theologian ever.

@hadassah6085

Жыл бұрын

Ultimately God judges the heart and secret life. Which couldn’t be more personal.

@heofnorenown

Жыл бұрын

@@hadassah6085 but that’s not what most people mean when they say that. What they mean is that there isn’t any particular way to get into heaven, and there can never be any doctrine or dogma on this subject. Which is of course 20th century relativistic nonsense, with no basis in scripture or tradition or any other source except the asses of the people who made it up.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

@@heofnorenown There are as many ways as there are individuals. Christ always sought out the individual and shunned crowds, except to feed them the bread of life or preach to them from a boat or on a hill. God creates individuals and saves them individually. "Church" does not save. Behind this idea is hive-mind.

@heofnorenown

Жыл бұрын

@@godisreality7014 Jesus didn’t avoid crowds and even if he did it wouldn’t prove what you’re saying.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

@@heofnorenown Messiah was always slipping away, He knew and knows the dynamic of the masses. If you read the Bible, you would know. Salvation comes to the individual through the Holy Spirit of God and not from a church. We do not know if the masses were saved, but we do know that certain individuals were. This is the message. Reading scripture should prove this to you. If it doesn't, good luck. What is the ecumenism driven by the "Catholic Church"? Why did the flood come, the deluge? What was the Tower of Babel? Why is Sodom under sand? What is the "great work"? What does "build back better" mean? It is highly presumptuous - and a lie by the way - of the "Catholic Church" to assert sole authority over mankind and our salvation, vaunting itself above God Almighty.

They are saying the same thing at 9:00. Anyone with genuine faith would be doing good acts inherently. The acts help prove your faith is genuine instead of lying about it.

Hello!!! How do i donate i just got here…

As a convert, it's really hard to reconcile the Protestant view of Salvation by faith alone. It's really mind-boggling to consider that there are Christians who believe that regardless of what we do, if we're saved we're saved, in the sense that if we do fall into mortal sin, we don't need to work to reverse that, by trusting in God's mercy coupled with our good will. EDIT: Dear Protestant brothers and sisters, I love you :) Know that I have answered everyone of your comments, even the inane repititious ones (well almost all of them), but the glitches in the youtube comments fails to post every reply ... much to our mutual misfortune I'm certain :) So, be informed that if you go ignored, it is not by design, just youtube providence ... or the lack of it. Your comments thusfar have been enlightening, even if slightly redundant. But know this, we're better united than not. So be blessed, always+

@velatoget

11 ай бұрын

It's very clearly demonstrated here that what you said is not how protestants function. It's not "regardless of what we do", because if we are committing sins, it means the faith we claim to have is not faith that we actually have, it's just an empty claim. Those with faith will know they need to repent.

@kdr3619

11 ай бұрын

@@velatoget Yes, but what is repentance without atonement? Atonement is a work. It's hard work. But it works toward humility, especially when united to the Sacrifice of Christ. The idea of just saying "I'm sorry, forgive me", and then moving on seems self-defeating. It's almost like a trade-off ... "I say I'm sorry, and You give me back my salvation". You might state that Christ atoned for all our sins, and so it's done. You're not wrong. He atoned for our sins perfectly. Opened up the gates of Heaven. But we still have our part to do. The gates are now open, we still have to work through the narrow path. We still have to work out our salvation ... not by ourselves, but with Christ's grace, support, and blessing. It's a mutual effort. A tag-team if you will. Our restoration to grace was not Because of Jesus' suffering in itself, but the Reason of suffering. I mean, Why did Christ atone? Why not just say "I forgive you" whenever one of His prophets asked for mercy, and then open up the gates of Heaven? Why send Christ to repent to the Eternal Father on our behalf, and then atone for all our faults? Or, Jesus could have just come, said "Father forgive them, they know not what they do", and that's that. No sacrifice or atonement needed. Well, that's a little shady. Sort of like a cop-out. We're all called to be Christ-Like. It isn't just Him Who should have had to work for our Salvation. There has to be an active participation on our part. It isn't as simple as saying "I'm sorry" ... although that's the first step. God did not punish Jesus for our sins. He accepted Jesus's perfect self-sacrifical love, and all its works, and in turn, He forgave us our trespasses. That mercy endures through the sacrifice of Christ ... but it isn't some cosmic bell-boy function where you just state a few words, and boom you're back in tow. If we are called to the Imitation of Chrsit, that also means we're called to Imitate His works and sacrifices.

@ezekiel440

6 ай бұрын

@@kdr3619allat nonsense to prove nothing. so many verses can disprove your point entirely.

@ezekiel440

6 ай бұрын

@@kdr3619 “But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13) “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the scripture says, ‘Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.’ For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For ‘everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’” (Romans 10:9-13) “he saved us, not because of the works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit.” (Titus 3:5) “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9)

@kdr3619

6 ай бұрын

@@ezekiel440 Okay. Have a good one.

Unfortunately James 2 isn't speaking of salvation but rather false conversion. This becomes clear around the second chapter as he's speaking about the golden rule , not speaking of works as in everything else

4:54 had me cheering and celebrating! ❤🎉🎉🎉

@gonzalomcampos

3 ай бұрын

Weak souls

Fantastic discussion. Next is discussing early church fathers...🎉 what they taught. Tradition factor.

Having a conservative Lutheran like Dr. Jordan Cooper on to discuss this stuff from a more classical protestant perspective would be great. Although there are a lot of Baptists they certainly don't represent all protestants (there is a good argument that they aren't protestant at all). Lutherans would have different and better answers for some of George's objections and would actually agree with him on a lot as well.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

From what I gather "baptists" are actually against water baptism, believing it to be "not for today". Is that true?

@sarahw5102

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean by there is a good argument that they're not protestant at all?

@chemnitzfan654

4 ай бұрын

@@sarahw5102 I think they are a bridge between protestants and restorationists.

@ThashaPN12

4 ай бұрын

I think Allie answered George’s questions perfectly. Yes, there are most definitely some doctrinal differences amongst the Protestant denominations but here, Christian fundamentals were being discussed and she gave Biblically sound answers

@chemnitzfan654

4 ай бұрын

@ThashaPN12 It's been months since I watched this, but if I remember correctly, her answers were just rote Calvinistic statements. I'm pretty sure she also mentioned the MacArthur study Bible at some point.

Wow. Sir, has explained it. 🕊️❤️‍🔥

But he answered and said unto them, "Why do you also transgress *the commandment of God* by your TRADITION?” Sun-day? {Matthew 15:3}

I think the point is that it’s hard for us to interpret the Bible on our own. Human beings would always come up with different interpretations. God would need some kind of structure in place in order to interpret the Bible infallibly. The Holy Spirit used human authors, human prophets and now its using the magisterium of the church instituted by Christ.

@godisreality7014

Жыл бұрын

Only the Holy Spirit can lead us into all truth and He will.

@judgedredd31

11 ай бұрын

Jesus did promise us that the Holy Spirit would be with us to help us understand all the teachings He gave us. Faith like a child. You don’t need to be an expert to understand the love of God and His gift to us. The ones who over-complicated it (added tradition, works, etc) were confronted by Jesus for this very issue.

@daniellenm395

10 ай бұрын

@@judgedredd31 jesus took part in all the jewish works and traditions, he did not condemn them or the law. He then instituted new works and traditions such as baptism, confession, and the eucharist. Theres not only scripture that shows that these things were practiced in the first century, theres plenty of historical evidence outside the scripture, a lot of it written by bishops who were ordained by the apostles themselves. The holy spirit used the apostles to teach without error and they passed on their authority with a laying of hands to the next set of bishops. There is a multitude of evidence that even from the first couple decades, there was a structure and hierarchy in the church: Bishops, priests, deacon, then laity. The bishop of Rome was clearly the highest seat from 1st century evidence. The holy spirit worked through this structure and frequently squashed heresy from individuals that thought the Holy Spirit was showing them truth. Yes we frequently feel like the Holy Spirit is telling us something but if that something is going against the church then its most likely a different spirit that wants to keep us blind to and divided from the church.

@mcspinixvids3875

7 ай бұрын

And even then they can't agree amongst themselves...

@jdk67

7 ай бұрын

@@mcspinixvids3875exactly. Eastern Catholics and the more Latin style Catholics hold to vastly different traditions and yet are both in communion with Rome.

Used to be an Allie fan, until I had a discussion with her once and the entire time she cherry picked Bible scriptures taken out of context to try and bash me with something we disagreed on. Every time I tried to talk about each scripture and it’s context she would quickly move to a different scripture to try and bash me with. She’s too closed minded of a person in my opinion to have beneficial conversations with regarding disagreements. Either way hope she’s doing well, at least her and I agreed on some things

@professorravecomplains3776

Жыл бұрын

Sounds about right

@shb8212

Жыл бұрын

I highly doubt she "bashed" you with scripture. Seems like you might have been the one cherry picking if you were trying to prove your point with one scripture and considered other Bible references an attack on your point.

@matthewmusgrave6673

Жыл бұрын

May I ask what you were discussing?

@AJ21969

Жыл бұрын

We should all remember in these conversations Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom

@ThundermansThunder

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but I do not see this, in her, at all, because Allie is certainly not cherry picking in these videos, and is anything but closed minded. She is listening and agreeing with a lot of what she hears, and countering with supportive scripture, the things with which she disagrees. She could not be any more open minded, without completely conceding everything that she truly believes.

I am catholic and I must say both denominations have some odds like protestant the church is not good in praying because they didn't recognize church history and Catholic Church holds more spiritual prayers but at the same time I think saints veneration should be limited to some extent as it sometimes restricts the prayer to God the Holy Trinity

James starts of his letter addressing the 12 tribes scattered and Paul touches up on Jame's intended audience, the circumcision and Paul to the gentiles. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Cephas[c] and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along. read all of Galatians 2 for context and understanding.

My experience precisely. To know the u seen one in a way that is almost scary...the savior comes to you when you pray and you also feel his presence in your heart. Even when we don't FEEL his presence, we KNOW that HE abideth in us by faith. Faith works. So if we abide in his presence or spirit we won't fulfill the lust of the flesh. That means that all of us love sinful things naturally. Without even thinking but with spirit no work we do is righteous. Why? Because that work doesn't come naturally. Righteousness is a natural work of Christ very own Spirit. This is what was poured out at pentecost and is still here today. The life of both the Father and the son given to those who believe. This works will naturally come out of those who abide. The problem is that professed Christians try to be Christlike without abiding in Christ. That is self righteous. Only God and Christ are good.