That last 30 seconds is GOLD! As a Christian, we are to follow CHRIST, not any one particular man.

@gospeldigitalnetworks4880

2 жыл бұрын

@@ozplasmic351 Follow the Bible, and you will find answers to your question

@bloodieboi5182

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@trigg0311

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t follow any man. I follow the Bible, which clearly points to the theology figured out by John Calvin. We don’t follow him, we follow Jesus. Not one person who is reformed follows man, we give ALL glory to God.

@rettpanda6203

2 жыл бұрын

@@trigg0311 you sir....are still following a man then. Because what he teaches is not the truth of the whole word of God. I pray you find the truth

@mercibeaucoup2639

Жыл бұрын

@@trigg0311 THE TULIP IS TOXIC. GOD BLESS YOU.

I like your last part... I would rather be a follower of Jesus christ rather than a follower of john calvin and arminian theology

@matthewhart8125

6 жыл бұрын

God is Good All the Time Kuwait Amen. These are secondary issues that cause divisions among Christians.

@daveme7

5 жыл бұрын

Actually...no. Being a Calvinist is not about following John Calvin. Some will know this and many will not and make assumptions-John Calvin never taught Limited Atonement. People just happened to ascribe the ideas and understandings of reformation theology-because of his influence not just in continental Europe but also his own country(France) and England. So if I say I am a Calvinist-does that mean I am following John Calvin in denial of following Christ? No more than saying one is a baptist means they are following John the Baptist. What about Pentecostals, are they about following the religious holidays of Judaism or maybe it means something else. How far does one want to go? This is the same exact thing that Paul dealt with in 1 Cor. 3.

@gailgunderson5163

5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhart8125 No, it is not a secondary issue! Calvinists do not believe in the Gospel Message. It's a salvation issue!

@kimberleerivera7062

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, that's why you never follow anyone but JESUS CHRIST - the ONE WHO DIED FOR US - THE ON!Y NAME GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN FOR SALVATION!!! Calvin's name isn't even in the Bible. JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE BIBLE AND IS OUR SAVIOR!!! Reminds me of the Roman Catholics and Mary and the pope. The Bible tells us to follow no man!

@gailgunderson5163

5 жыл бұрын

@@daveme7 Who came up with limited atonement? Did the Calvinists just say one day, hey let's come up with a doctrine that states Jesus died only for the "chosen"? I know TULIP well. Calvinisim is a man-made religion and so far apart from the doctrine that Christians live by. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. John 3:16.

This verse really says a lot on whether or not Calvinism is correct. - (1 Timothy 2:3-4) “This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

@mikewilson7036

Жыл бұрын

It says all you need to know about the heart and nature of God.

@mtac99

Жыл бұрын

This verse is why I am no longer a Calvinist

@nicholascarter6543

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Period!!.. Calvinism is man- made Philosophical concepts based on biblical facts from a limited perspective, understanding and finiteness and it’s quite arrogant AND hypocritical for them to get upset when one proposes another biblical view saying “we are worshiping a “god” of our imagination. Well,they are doing the same that they are accusing “us” of doing! Our views are just different! I think both sides have some truth and both sides have many lies and exaggerated childish assumptions which further require “proof texts!” Stop being biased and just believe the Bible

@changedman6035

Жыл бұрын

Well, Jesus only laid His life down for His sheep (John 10), if He laid His life down for everyone then everyone would be saved, but we know that's not the case. He even told the pharisees they weren't able to hear Him because they weren't of His sheep. The Father elects a certain group of people for salvation (Ephesians 1), if He and the Father are one (John 10:30), it does not make sense to put the Son against the Father and the Son dying for everyone.

@mtac99

Жыл бұрын

@@changedman6035 Then, it should be no problem for you to offer a clear rendering of the verses that illustrates this

The hardest thing about The Gospel is the simplicity of it. God gives each individual the free will to choose Him. We were created in His image. To be like His son, but we have to choose it. His thought and ways are higher than ours, but never forget He loves us perfectly and perfect love allows us to choose Him or reject Him.

@marcusallen2485

4 жыл бұрын

how do you interpret Ephesians?

@johanweakley2658

4 жыл бұрын

Great comment Shawn.👍

@dfischer1709

4 жыл бұрын

So, if we have to choose God, you must then believe man has part in salvation? So, if we are smart enough to choose God, then we do. Sounds like that theory gives us reason to boast. I will go with God first opens the eyes of a sinner, then and only then will I choose God. All God Soli Deo Gloria^

@johanweakley2658

4 жыл бұрын

@@dfischer1709 this is a topic that sometimes has believers chasing their own tails. Jesus has opened the way for us by defeating death. But God never forces us to choose the road of life through Jesus. He allows us to choose. Jesus never forced the rich young man to sell his possessions and to follow Him. He left it up to the young man, who chose not to follow Jesus.

@margriettalen6713

3 жыл бұрын

How many times did JESUS say : Follow Me! Are Christians following Christ’s teachings OS man’

Man oh man, if I wasn't a believer, I'm sure I'd never become one by reading KZread comments after "Christian" videos

@badromenful

4 жыл бұрын

gtdadof10 amen

@kevinbarton1661

4 жыл бұрын

Yes . Information is not Always bliss .

@kevinbarton1661

4 жыл бұрын

gtdadof10 - yes . I agree. A few years ago . I needed to just stay home . Teach my kids . Avoid the close neighbors that I try to help . They wanted to hurt me with their spin on stuff .

@Ben-wh4ci

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS omg how do these people actually follow Jesus. The self righteous all knowing come out in the KZread comments

@legitsebas0157

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-wh4ci I love you but watch the blasphemy

I really appreciate how you're able to explain these concepts without interjecting your own perspective. Not easy to do. Thank you!

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

GOD IS PERFECT God is perfectly good, He did not create sin or encourages sin in any way, shape, or form. God therefore does not predestine there to be sinners, otherwise God is not perfect and fallible like everyone else. God will eradicate sin in the near future. Matthew 5: 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

@BenjaminKerr-yj4gs

27 күн бұрын

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭44‬ “We love Him because He first loved us.” ‭‭I John‬ ‭4‬:‭19‬ ‭‭

All I know is this. Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.

@huntersmith3811

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@reallydoe2052

3 жыл бұрын

How you know the Bible is tru without the Bible telling you so?please answer

@pointblanksandwich8284

3 жыл бұрын

Idk? I know He died for us, or you , whatever. But why does his teaching contradict traditional Christianity? Example.. Not everyone who says, but he who does! Example 2.. He who hears my sayings and does them is like a wise man who built his house upon a rock! Fear God! If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you! It's better to be a cripple than to be thrown into the lake of fire! Yea! No sinners prayer..anywhere! It does not exist. What are so called Christians being taught???

@Tigerex966

3 жыл бұрын

that’s all you need but does not sell books or a need for speaking engagements seminaries and fame and other man making things. The real reformer and reformers were Jesus Christ and the apostles. No need at all for Calvinist or Armenian doctrine to understand salvation. You just have to truly believe confess follow Jesus. Jesus paid the sins of all sinners, that’s his part, our part is we have to believe to have his blood cover our sins. But the full debt for all is paid, and all of mankind has the ability to freely accept or reject God. We can also decide to tall away from the faith if we stop believing, God does not force you to persevere, but he gives you all you need too. So both views are 100% wrong. Take both doctrines away, and you have the true gospel, all other doctrines that contradict or add or take away are false and accursed.

@margriettalen6713

2 жыл бұрын

What I was trying to say that these theologians have no right that they think that other people are not saved because they don’t agree what their doctrines teach. God is love, period! He send His Son to die for you and my sins. The blood Jesus shed on the cross was full payment for my sins, and not just mine but for the sins of the whole world! I believe that and accepted that! Then I want to tells others what Jesus Christ has done for me. And we are encouraged to do that even by Jesus himself. Look at the Great Commission that Jesus spoke to His disciples. But when someone tells me that God has “chosen “ him to be saved, but cannot explain how or why, I wonder. That person also says that a Calvinist can never go up to a stranger and tell him/her that God loves them! I want to share my faith with others! Let your light shine!

Peter 3:9 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

@sigalsmadar4547

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone and whosoever! Amein!

@george.s.8491

2 жыл бұрын

From the uttermost to the gutter most.

@rubenthompson5900

2 жыл бұрын

That refers to the elect

@russellngiele1886

2 жыл бұрын

@@rubenthompson5900 Where do you read that ? John 3:16 says whoever so anyone can believe but God knows who will believe He didn't push anyone to not believing but He knows they won't believe because they love the world

@rubenthompson5900

2 жыл бұрын

@@russellngiele1886 read John 6:44

The Gospel is so simple that it takes theologians to confuse it. When I see doctrines espoused that confuse the flock, especially when founded on the “wisdom” of man, I see exclusion and a narrow focus on the minutia to the exclusion of the whole masterpiece. When somebody tells me they’re “reformed” or a “Calvinist” or a LDS or SDA or JW, I immediately think of Gnostics. Read your Bible and trust the Holy Spirit to clarify what is really important and not about the disputes of so called theologians and their mouthpieces. Start with the Gospels and read what the greatest Teacher of all time said about salvation. It makes all of man’s interpretations wasted ink and breath.

@jrconway3

2 жыл бұрын

This is why Jesus' disciples were mostly made up of fishermen. "Learned theologians" like to muddy the simplicity of the gospel. It's the same reason why Jesus' kept calling out the Pharisees on their hypocrisy.

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

@@jrconway3 l totally agree

@nicholascarter6543

Жыл бұрын

@@jrconway3 That was from God(what you just said) BECAUSE I had this realization yesterday.

@ilonkastille2993

Жыл бұрын

You are saying exactly what should be read. All these « reformers » are only messing things up and confusing people. It is not up to them to teach us. The Only Teacher is Christ Himself.

@consumedbyfire1359

Жыл бұрын

We are living in exciting times. The Reformation was spawned along same time frame as the printing of the first Bible. Before that, the common people did not have a Bible. This is a blessed time. You and I can study history on our own, in our own living quarters, rather than with the guide of a priest or elder of a church.

Good point about following Jesus and not man.

@kevinbarton1661

4 жыл бұрын

The Martas - yes . & the problem Is We are too gullible .

@friarrodneyburnap4336

4 жыл бұрын

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@MD-ww7gy

4 жыл бұрын

Calvinists DO NOT follow Calvin! That is a kindergarten argument for people who DON'T know what Calvinism is.

@villarrealmarta6103

4 жыл бұрын

M D well they follow Calvin’s teachings. That’s kind of the same thing. The only thing about Calvin I’m not in agreement with is the whole double predestination part.

@MD-ww7gy

4 жыл бұрын

@@villarrealmarta6103 Calvin's teaching is from scripture though, it's not conjured out of thin air. It's biblical in every sense.

Wow! I'm impressed with a very simple, basic, yet very clear and easy explanation with an excellent wrap up!!! Thank you!!

@christopherfaustino8318

Жыл бұрын

what is ur theology?from?baptist?.but are u a trinitarian?

@bighand1530

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherfaustino8318 I`m non-denomination.

For God so loved THE WORLD... ANYONE who calls on his name will be saved... 🤔

@nataliareali3214

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought too but according to Calvinism, only a small group of people are predestined to be saved? That doesn’t make any sense to me.

@kingfobbit399

2 жыл бұрын

@@nataliareali3214 , its called elitist, not elect. NOT a Calvinist BTW

@nikokapanen82

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but who calls upon His name? Who are being actually saved? Only the ones whom the Father draw to himself. What comes to the rest, Jesus said these words: "“Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Matt 15:13

@kingfobbit399

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikokapanen82 you have a disparity between two thoughts. Who calls for him, And Who he draws, Anyone can call out for him, but the Calvinist contends that only people who have been preselected will call out his name. We are drawn (passive) to the light because we know the light is good. The Calvinist contends that we are drawn to him (active) by GOD HIMSELF as a form of preselection, predestination or to be elected (not to be confused with elect). The problem with the Calvinist is that they believe that GOD chooses who he will save before their creation as opposed to all being created the same and like a spinning top spinning and bouncing around, and see where or how it lands. Calvinist do not believe in free will, they think that when Adam sinned in the garden, Freewill was taken away when he was cast out. Non-Calvinists believe free will still exists and that we will either follow what was written on our heart or fall away. Do I think GOD knows what each of us will ultimately choose, yes, do I think he creates us (individually) specifically to be good or bad, No, but does he know how it will turn out, Yes. Active or Passive participation is the root of Calvinistic argument. We are either a glorious experiment or pre-programmed robots. Man (John Calvin) has chosen to create a Biblical problem 1500 years after CHRIST had his earthly ministry and no one brought it up until him.

@nikokapanen82

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingfobbit399 I believe arminianism is a failed attempt to solve the horrors of calvinism. What is the main problem with calvinism? Why so many are so strongly against it? Because it teaches how God, in the beginning of times, before the world was, being Sovereign and all knowing, predestined most of humanity to do nothing else but burn for ever and ever after a little spark of an imperfect existence in this world. This is so horrifying, so unacceptable that many christians simply cannot follow it. Yet when you look at the arminianism, they actually has the same problem, they also believe that God is all knowing who knows the end from the beginning, they believe that God is fully self sufficient, that he did not need us, creation to come into existence, that He could exist by himself and be perfectly fine where only love, joy and peace would exist. He knew that if he is going to create the world, it would erupt an unimaginable horror pain and suffering to billions of souls and it would become so bad that God himself could no longer fix it out of existence - EVER AGAIN. So God has 2 options, to keep everything in a perfect order, peace and joy forever without creating anything or to take that step and to defile the universe with unimaginable pain horror and suffering which can no longer be fixed even by God himself EVER. Then he goes and decides to take that step and defiles the universe with everlasting horror pain and suffering. So both, the God of calvinism and the God of arminianism are at the same horrifying position, both are responsible for everlasting pain horror and suffering. So obviously this way of thinking is fallacious, not calvinists nor arminianists get it right. Something else is going on what most christians cannot fathom right now.

Awesome video. Explanation of tulip was great. The last part is where I totally agree. Get into the word of God and let Him teach you His ways. Thanks brother.

@randychurchill201

2 жыл бұрын

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@Charlie-fc7se

2 жыл бұрын

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great tone and eaay listening. great teaching voice! thanks for the video

@ScottCreps

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.

@SpotterVideo

5 жыл бұрын

@@ScottCreps Watch the following KZread video to see the origin of Calvinism. "Was Augustine the first to introduce "CALVINISM" into the Church?" on Leighton Flowers KZread channel. .

@kevinbarton1661

4 жыл бұрын

SpotterVideo - do Acts 1:8 heartily . Very simple . Get ❤️ in your heart for someone else and share it with everyone with Jesus Christ love in you . Don’t waste your money on stuff that is not good food . Let others see the joy of the Lord on you & in you .

@friarrodneyburnap4336

4 жыл бұрын

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Galatians 6:14 As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world's interest in me has also died.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry but the world hasn't lost an interest in you. Jesus promised the world would hate you and Paul tells us that the world would persecute those who are godly in Jesus.

@weobeyjesus4565

6 жыл бұрын

The Trinity Delusion: You read his comment wrong. It does not say the world has lost interest in him. And he is quoting scripture so he is not making a personal declaration, the apostle Paul was.

@TheTrinityDelusion

6 жыл бұрын

Quoting a verse and then adding your own personal ideas to it does not amount to "Scripture."

@gailgunderson5163

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion Why not? Of course it's Scripture WITH a personal opinion or life experience. KZread is a place to dialogue. I could list many scriptures (because I've written them down from my time 📖 in the Bible). I have JOY and a lot of scriptures to share to refute Calvinism, but I've decided to save keystrokes and prevent Carpal Tunnel, because they don't care to hear the Christian side of it. I have never met a joyful Calvinist! They're just Bible Thumpers without a heart.

@Sweetenv77

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheTrinityDelusion yes very true.

Thank you for the video, I was trying to understand this concept this was a great launching point.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Romans 10:13 - "For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." And of course there’s John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Psalms 103 is one of my favorites.

@aletheia8054

2 жыл бұрын

And Jesus said you don’t choose me but I choose you. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

@misternewman1576

2 жыл бұрын

@@aletheia8054 He was speaking directly to his disciples.

@hymns-hymns

2 жыл бұрын

John 3:16

@aletheia8054

2 жыл бұрын

@@misternewman1576 You don’t consider yourself a disciple? He was speaking to his disciples for three whole chapters. So does that mean not of that applies to you either? Paul or Timothy or Luke we’re not in the room. Should we count them out too?

@alightened

Жыл бұрын

@@aletheia8054 that kind of reasoning is like saying if we’re talking to the people in the room, saying “oh they aren’t people? Should we discount the rest of the human race?” The point your making isn’t the point of the conversation. You’re rationalizing that conversation with a totally different topic. Interesting theory, but seems like a stretch of the Word.

I am SO VERY GLAD that God's goodness is accessible to ALL🙌That it's understandable to ALL 😅and WELCOMES ALL ❤ ALL due to HIM💕

I loved the way you summed up everything. At the end of the day, we want to follow Jesus

Wow thanks you really shed some light on some of the thoughts I was struggling with godbless 🙏

Great video!! Great explanation of Calvinism and wise counsel to confirm any truths in our own hearts with the Word of God. Thank you!

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

7 ай бұрын

GOD IS PERFECT God is perfectly good, He did not create sin or encourages sin in any way, shape, or form. God therefore does not predestine there to be sinners, otherwise God is not perfect and fallible like everyone else. God will eradicate sin in the near future. Matthew 5: 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Love your "closing argument" on this video... it's all about Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior and nothing else really matters in the end! Thank you so much for the information!

Great video and explanation. Thank you!

Great video thanks for teaching this so simply helping me understand something. Excellent!

@93556108

4 жыл бұрын

Justin Share, since you say this teaching is so simple and it helps you to understand, kindly if you will give me your exposition on these verses by utilising the Calvinistic system. (Luk 19:10) For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Who are those Christ come to seek and to save? your answer must be Christ come to save only the elect based on your limited atonement theory. But this verse Luk19:10b says " ......to save that which was lost". basing on the same theory the lost must only be the "elect". But that contradicts the Bible's affirmation, I quote "(Rom 3:9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; (Rom 3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: The Bible explicitly says "there is none righteous, no, not one" both jews and gentiles, that they are all under sin" meaning all human beings that ever lived or will lived on this earth. Your calvinism theory says the lost are the elect whom Christ come to seek and to save because Christ come to die only for their sins (particular atonement). Thus this doctrine of Calvinism has blatantly violated the word of God. I have another verse for your exposition: " (Rom 4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness". Note rom4:5b "......that justified the ungodly....". based on calvinism the "ungodly" must only be the "elect" as only they could be saved. Your calvinism teaching make no sense and it sounds ludicrous. Isn't it? Do you care to comment? Thank you Justin. 1

@nikki8384

3 жыл бұрын

@@93556108 Hi! I noticed you commented on many different things under this video. This person that commented said nothing about think the calvinist doctrine was right. Simply stared they understood what it was. Also im not a calvinist I just figured I tell you they are NOT agreeing with the doctrine. Have a blessed day Amen!

@93556108

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikki8384 I know that the presenter was laying out the TULIP principles but my comments were directed to other Calvinists for them to rebuke it.. Unfortunately, only one Calvinist did. How about you, do you believe in the double-predestination taught by Calvin? Thanks.

@nikki8384

3 жыл бұрын

@@93556108 Oh ok my apologies and no I do not agree with that doctrine. Have a blessed day!

@rickhuntling7338

Жыл бұрын

@@93556108 We die daily of our sin in or sanctification. So that being so, the atonement takes place the moment the LORD causes you to believe and the SPIRIT begans the sanctification good work. Before that we are lost but still chosen for the work HE will preform; Eph 2:10, Rom. 8:29,30. Look up "seek" 2212 (zeteo): search for, desire, require, demand. The word is not an open altar call, HE came down to save the elect only. The Book of Life never says HE will enter your name after you believe. There are a few threats of blotting out names but never acted on, but the book was written before the foundations were laid. There is no violation after the atonement is afforded the elect. Violation is your universal atonemet then casting the unbelievers to hell fire for sin paid in full. Your doctrin makes GOD unjust for the penalty charged. Rom. 4:5 the ungodly acording to Rom.3:10 we are all ungodly. So your argument is defeted by your 1st choice of scripture. Quid pro quo, explain Eph. 1:4,5, 11, 2:10. Who choses us? Who is predestined? Whos good pleasure of HIS will is being done? Look up elect 1588 (eliektos): Select, by implecation of favorite. Why are we titled "elect" if the atonment is afforded to everyone?

Thank you for the info.

Hi Scott!! Claire here from Calvary Baptist HB! Just randomly found your video on youtube and thought Hey, I know him!! Too funny! Tell Melanie I say hi! Hope you guys are doing great! Great video! I've been watching different debates on calvinism vs arminianism lately and also studying alot of eschatology! So very interesting!

@ScottCreps

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Claire, when I saw your name I was wondering, "is that the same Claire from CBCHB?" What a small world. Thanks for reaching out. I hope you are well. Melanie and I are doing great (well as great as anyone is right now), and living in Utah. If you are interested, I also did a video on Arminianism on a different channel: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hp5qq5Oyk9XMppM.html

@claireashley427

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScottCreps Yeah! Small world! So glad I ran into you! I will definetly check out that video. Thanks! Glad to hear you guys are doing as well as you can be during these crazy times! Hopefully everything will be back to normal soon!! Are you a pastor now?

John 3:16&17 . Straight up truth . Uncomplicated Truth . Historically documented Truth .

@kevinhoneycutt238

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Barton, John 3:5 KJV, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

@MD-ww7gy

4 жыл бұрын

Who so ever believes! Where does belief come from? (Eph 2:8) NOT of yourself! It is a gift from God.

@williamgill_esq.6487

3 жыл бұрын

M D A gift that can be accepted or rejected by one's own free will.

@jamesvan2201

2 жыл бұрын

John 3:16 according to Calvinism: for God so loved (certain people) that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever (God predetermined to be saved), may not perish but have ever lasting life.

@jamesvan2201

2 жыл бұрын

@@MD-ww7gy if I force something on you, is it a gift? No. Because whether you want it or not, I'm making you take it. That's not what the bible says. If God determines who gets saved, then there is no point in Jesus' death. Why would Jesus have to have died for our sin if God already predetermined who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?

Thanks for a well articulated presentation. My biggest stumbling block re Calvinism is "Irresistible grace." I'd be interested in your thoughts on Luke 7:29-30. The way I read it, the sequence is: It was God's will for the Pharisees & lawyers to repent & be baptized by John / they "rejected" this (v30) / they therefore were not baptized. It seems to me in that scenario that God's will for them (to humble themselves & repent) wasn't irresistible. vs 30 explicitly states that they "rejected the purpose of God for themselves" (esv)

@oracleoftroy

5 жыл бұрын

Do you disagree with the two word phrase, or the full intent from the Cannons of Dort that the phrase is meant to summarize? By itself, the phrase is obviously wrong, but considered in it's intended scope (salvific grace), it makes perfect sense. If we, of our own free will, always choose to rebel against God, salvation requires God to break down our resistance, regenerate our hearts and renew our minds so that we can see our foolish and sinful ways. Once God has done that, our foolishness is so obvious that God's grace is irresistible and we instead seek to love and serve our gracious Lord.

@yaboibradautry

3 жыл бұрын

Edwards frames it in that God reveals His amiableness, glory, and majesty to us in the moment of salvation that we are unable to resist Him. We still freely choose Him but His glory overwhelms us.

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

Voddie Baucham, George Grant, Michael Morales, R.C. Sproul and R.C. Sproul Jr. engage in a discussion about theology and topics. The doctrine of these men is God doesn't want to save you. They say God saved them but not you. Well maybe a few others but not you! No man can come unless the Father draws him. Explained without Calvinist glasses on.... The Bible has taught us that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are the one true God. Each having a different role with the human race. Yet one God. The Fathers teaches everyone that God exists. Through the creation! Romans1: 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. NO ONE HAS AN EXCUSE. The Father is not the saviour, that is the role of the Son, The Messiah, The Lord Jesus, The Christ! They are taught by the Father as this verse shows: and the Father sends them that believe that God exists to the Son. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. John 6:45 So when Jesus said that: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:44 It is simple saying that the Father makes all men aware that God exists and sends those who respond to Jesus. BUT! not all men will respond even though they have no excuse. They know God exists but they made their choice. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools Romans 1:21-22 Paul verifies this to Timothy: This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 The Holy Spirit comes into play in a special way only once a person whom the Father sends to the Son for salvation. Those who willingly desire to be right with God. Those who Repent and are Baptized. JESUS John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

@@oracleoftroy problem.is the calvinistic irresistible grace is for particular people and it's by force! 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

@@truth7416 Calvinism doctrines are false and UNBIBLICAL doctrines of the DEVIL

Thanks for the vid, new sub, likely will go thru most your vids, your hard work and passion in the coming weeks. Most my days I'm studying on KZread, ear piece and channeled ADHD.

"... He was educated at the College du Montagu, where Loyola, founder of the Jesuit [Roman Catholic] sect, had studied. Cauin later moved to Paris, where he continued his studies with the Humanists from 1531-32. During his stay in Paris he was known as Cauin. He then moved to Geneva where he formulated his philosophy known as Calvinism. At first known in Geneva as Cohen (the usual pronunciation of Cauin), he Anglicized his name to John Calvin."

Thank you for sharing, Glad I’m just a Christian. A member of the Lords church, the church of Christ!

@charlottehayward5943

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

Please do a video on Monilism

Watched both this video and the one you did on Arminian theology. I appreciated that you tried to explain both sides, though I'm sure there's much you missed on both sides of the argument to represent it well. Remember, two seven minute videos is only a cliff notes version of this Biblical theology which took theologians years to discuss. And I agree with your ending exhortation about studying the Word of God because 2 Timothy 2:15 tells us to do so and Proverbs 3:5 tells us to trust the Lord and not lean on your own understanding. I just found it interesting that in this video you encourage us not to follow either man, Calvin or Arminius, but Christ (which is correct), but you didn't give the same exhortation in your Arminian video. I find it amusing that when speaking about Calvinism, many will say don't follow either system, but they don't seem to say the same about Arminian theology. By the way, Calvin never came up with five points (as you rightly pointed out), but the ones who actually came up with five points were the followers of Arminius. They brought their concerns to the Dutch reformed church and they discussed it for months to come to a resolution. Those that followed a more reformed theology (which was rooted from the reformation) had five counter points to the followers of Arminius. It was much, much later that someone came up with TULIP as a memory aid to the five points of refutation. Calvin didn't sit around inventing five points to cram into the Bible, the reformers took the Bible and debated the five points of the Arminians to come to a conclusion if it held water. Both sides thought they were right and Biblical, and the way to settle the matter is going through the whole counsel of God, not skipping verses or having them duel one another. (For example, taking John 3:16, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:4, and 2 Peter 3:9 and pitting it against John 6:37-44, Ephesians 1:4-5, 2:1-3, Romans 8:5-8, and 9 to make one side "beat" the other. We must examine all of these verses by content, context, grammar, the nature of man, and the attributes of God to come to our conclusions.) Unfortunately, instead of teaching and exhorting one another, you get social media sarcasm, name-calling, and assertions with little Bible and not much love.

@matthewhart8125

6 жыл бұрын

Eric Smith Amen. It's the social media memes and sarcasm that get to me most, as it is very unchristian and causes nothing but division, which is exactly what Satan wants.

@2timothy23

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, Matthew. Regardless which side of the theological fence someone is on in this issue, I am saddened that folks get on social media and start attacking others with little or no scripture. Just the comments under this video proves my point; I've never read such ungodly, hateful words towards anyone that hold to the five points. Instead of just philosophical rants, it would be more refreshing for brethren to take the scriptures and really dig deep into these subjects without clouding it with their emotions. My own son, when he was about ten or eleven, asked me about Ephesians 1:4 and asked honestly, "Dad, if God chose us from the foundation of the world, how does that effect our choice to believe?" He read the verse and took it at face value, but wanted an honest answer. I felt the same way over a decade ago reading the same verse, as well as Romans 9, John 6:37-44, etc. When I asked the same questions, that was the first time I heard the word Calvinism. I didn't even know what that meant; never heard of John Calvin or that term. But I had a few guys at church use that term as I asked about the verses. This is how many in the church are hard-wired. A seeking believer may ask, "Could you explain Romans 9 to me," and they could get this answer; "Oh, you must be a Calvinist" or "You've been listening to Calvinists, haven't you?" Instead of Biblical answers, we get demonizing, name calling that makes folks just keep quiet or they think they'd be stoned to death. I personally don't like these titles, but if a doctrine can be shown in a declarative fashion in scripture, then I have to believe the Word of God since it is inspired and sufficient (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

@tivmego

5 жыл бұрын

@@2timothy23 It has been a decade now. Have you understood why calvinists are accused of not digging at the scriptures? I can understand that a non-biblical person(someone who has not taken time to get deeper) will take a bible verse on face-value. From my experience a person is drawn into calvinism when they ask about these verses and their local church shuts them down. So they go scooping the internet and viola, it is saturated with calvinists explaining these verses from their systematics. However, if a person is guided by one simple foundation which is God is love, and very rightly , the reason they got worried about those verses to begin with, then any explanation that presents God in an anti-love fashion should immediately be discarded. I had similar issues while growing up as a christian. Asked questions around these verses. Listened to John Macarthur, John Piper, James White, introduced them to my friends but after a while began to doubt their explanations. So, I decided to study on my own, got into greek, Hebrew, watched other theologian opinions on the verses and finally realized the danger of Calvinism: it preys on innocent believers with genuine questions by presenting them with a god that is nothing like the God of the bible. So, Eph.1:4, Romans.9 or John 6:44 might all appear to support calvinists to an unsuspecting eyes but to a person how is careful with the Word of God, those verses do not for a sec support calvinism. This was why I asked you after all these while, have you grown in your understanding of what those verses say or you are still holding on to an explanation you were given by a calvinist when you first encountered them?

@2timothy23

5 жыл бұрын

@@tivmego No offense, but your comments towards me actually prove my original point. Let me explain as nicely as I can. Before I do, I do appreciate your honesty about listening to MacArthur, Piper, etc. You listened but you checked what they said against scripture (Acts 17:11). That is fine to do. Yet you assume many things about me because you don't like the Calvinistic system (and it isn't about Calvinism, it is about what the Bible says). Your assumptions actually make certain aspects of your comments insulting and accusatory. First, you wrote, "So they go scooping the internet and viola, it is saturated with calvinists explaining these verses from their systematics." But not every Christian does this, and that includes me. I listened to Dave Hunt, Chuck Smith, Charles Stanley, and many others before I ever heard John MacArthur. Outside of my own church, I listened to a varied group of preachers/teachers to get a view. I heard both sides and studied them carefully for almost a year and a half, struggling with it. So you should be careful about assuming that believers don't check both sides and prayerfully come to a conclusion. Second, you wrote, "if a person is guided by one simple foundation which is God is love, and very rightly , the reason they got worried about those verses to begin with, then any explanation that presents God in an anti-love fashion should immediately be discarded." There is no doubt that all Christians know that God is love (John 3:16, 1 John 4:8), but there is a big problem when God's attribute of love is so dominating that we erase other attributes of God to make that the most prominent based on our understanding of love. We have a sinful, skewed version of love and God's love is absolute and derives/starts with Him, it is agape; charitable love towards others that don't deserve it. Our thinking is that God's love is directed and manifested to all equally, but if you carefully study scripture, the love of God is primarily directed towards believers. For example, the love of God for believers can't be separated by anything (Romans 8:35-39), that can't be said towards the unbeliever going to hell based on the verses. We think that God's attribute of love is threatened by His sovereignty, omniscience, and wrath, therefore we lesson these attributes to make love stand out. Well, if you eliminate any attribute of God, He is no longer God. I've heard many anti-Calvinist rants that emphasize love at the expense of other attributes clearly given in scripture; it is dangerous to do. Third, you wrote, "the danger of Calvinism: it preys on innocent believers with genuine questions by presenting them with a god that is nothing like the God of the bible." So every teacher/preacher that you deemed Calvinistic preys on innocent believers with genuine questions? So when they get their answers the Calvinist is presenting them with a god nothing like the God of the Bible? Yet these believers are reading these verses clearly and in context, but they are only getting Calvinism out of it because they have unsuspecting eyes? Did you ever stop and think many believers studied Greek, Hebrew, sentence structure, etc. and came to the conclusions that Romans 9, Ephesians 1:4-5, and John 6:37-44 says what it says? These are harsh accusations to preachers that have faithfully preached the gospel to the lost and taught believers in their congregations, even in the past like Spurgeon, Whitefield, Edwards, etc. And finally, you ask, "have you grown in your understanding of what those verses say or you are still holding on to an explanation you were given by a calvinist when you first encountered them?" Exactly, I have, because I checked those verses by own pastors (who are not Calvinist) and teachers/preachers on both sides of the debate. But at the end of the day, I need to be prayerful and study for myself (like you said you did). And the key to my understanding is this; am I trying to get my understanding from a position of satisfying a incomplete view of God and keeping secure my own view of my will or am I getting my understanding based on the whole counsel of God examining prayerfully God's attributes, the nature of man, and the grand purpose of God from beginning to end. I read my Bible in a year from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 every year until the Lord takes me home (a vow I made to the Lord that is a long story). I've done so for 18 years; this reading is my own private reading/study outside of lessons or preaching (when I am privileged to do so) I do. I grow every day because I love God's Word (Psalm 119) and seek His face. So if your question is honest, then the answer is yes, I grow every day because it is part of God conforming me to Christ's image (Romans 8:29). And this is why I don't label myself a Calvinist, but if a Calvinist has a right interpretation of a doctrine, then I agree with it.

@tivmego

5 жыл бұрын

@@2timothy23 An accusation is something not proven. I just asked you a simple question, since you now have grown like you claimed, is Eph. 1:4 still about God electing you before the foundation of the world? Is John. 6:44 still about God calling certain people? Is Rom.8:29-30 still about the elect God chose and predestined, called and glorified? I ask because the greek doesn't support any of those men yiu claimed study greek. What they usually do and I have seen this over and over again is to hammer on on a word at the expense of the context and then explain away in a hurry the verses that doesn't have their buzz words and spend time on the verses that have buzz words then they go on into their authors and what they wrote. Over and over again they do this. So this is not an accusation. During the conversation between NT Wright and James White, it became obvious that greek is only used when you don't know it yourself. When you do, they don't dare try to. NT Wright challenged Dr White to a greek conversation, White simply said that is a novel one and not how the fathers used it. The fathers according to him are the 16th century reformers because Write pointed to him the fathers couldn't have been the ones before Augustine in his(JW) context. There is also the debate between JW and Leighton on context and history. James White went into the usual 16th century style of individualism while Leighton was trying to explain the chapter but from the perspective of the entire Romans book. So, no! This is no accusation but obvious facts for any calvinists out there to challenge if they dare to. So, calvinism has no biblical truth and I challenge them with their proof texts if you think I am accusing them falsely.

Are you in the Bourne identity movie?

Great video my brother in Christ!

I don't understand how Arminians say God elected those who he foreknew would choose him, if they were going to choose him why did they need to be elected and predestined?

@ScottCreps

7 жыл бұрын

Well, I think an Arminian would say that election and predestination are important parts of God's plan of salvation. An Arminian is acknowledging that election and predestination are biblical ideas. Arminians are just defining them differently. Whether you are a Calvinist or Arminian, election is a powerful concept about how God chooses people for service and salvation. Similarly, predestination is a powerful reminder that God has been thinking about us and loving us from before the creation of the world. You might want to check out my video on predestination and election: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eoyglrKtY7CbadI.html

@billyjackson578

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks pal.

@bnltown

6 жыл бұрын

what I don't get, when the arminians say it was based on gods foreknowledge. I agree god sees into the future but what did he see, there are none good, not one, just read Romans 3 and its quite clear. why? because we are all dead in sin. if they just grasp that concept of dead, then election is the most beautiful doctrine that illustrates gods grace.

@20july1944

6 жыл бұрын

Dave: Who are God's children?

@20july1944

6 жыл бұрын

Jay and bnltown: Rather than exegeting "dead" (which has at least two nearly-contradictory meanings in the Bible), let me ask if you -- as a believer -- do *not* sin or have sinful desires? I can't speak for you, so I'm asking, but I can say for myself that although some of my sinful desires have disappeared and others have significantly weakened, several are still QUITE vibrant, and I have a free will and I consider myself 100% guilty of my sins. Are you no longer guilty of your sins now that you are a believer?

Sounds good! I’d like to hear your understanding of 2 Thessalonians 1:8 . We must “Obey the gospel “ .

Thank you for that Basic explanation. But the who crux of it is in your last two sentences.

what about the scripture that says Christ died once for all?serious answers appreciated.

@williamgill_esq.6487

3 жыл бұрын

joan lantis That Is just one of the hundreds of Scriptures that refute TULIP.

@rustyshackelford3590

3 жыл бұрын

William Gill_Esq. What’s TULIP? An acronym?

I tell you what man, I appreciate you encouraging people to dig into scripture on this subject. When I first came across Calvinism I immediately rejected it due to my own feelings. But scripture says what it says, and a passage can never mean what it never meant just because we don’t like it. Digging into truth is the only way to find clarity. Good on you, bro.

@Rad7272dad

5 жыл бұрын

COOL, SO YOU HAVE COME OVER TO THE LIGHT BROTHER.

@Mr.Truxton

5 жыл бұрын

This is the attitude we need to see more often from people! God bless you man!

@reynaldodavid2913

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Guse, Sorry to disappoint you brother, but Calvinism is an evil doctrine.... Calvinism is a mixture of Biblical Truth and man-made Lies..... So, when you hear the part that is Biblical, you are impressed by it's beauty and a deeper teaching of Christianity..... But the fact is: John Calvin did not understand the entirety of the the Biblical doctrine of 'Election and Predestination'..... So he added his own belief without Scriptural Support..... For instance this Statement which is the essence of Calvinism is evil because it Contradicts the Character of God, and cannot be supported by the Scripture..... '' God arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify Him by their destruction.''

@isaiahlawrence9870

3 жыл бұрын

reynaldo david well said

@williamgill_esq.6487

3 жыл бұрын

Nick Guse TULIP is the most unBiblical and heretical garbage ever said about God and His Word.

Scott, how do you explain John 1:13?

@andrewbrowne5557

9 ай бұрын

Regeneration…

I’m sad that comments were disabled on the What is Arminian Theology video... also, it’s not listed in Scott Creps’ channel, it’s found at PursueGOD

Solid video man!!! I would offer a few critiques of some of the information. 1) TULIP is primarily a counter to the 5 Points of the Remonstrants in the Dutch Reformation. 2) Calvinist and Reformed theology are not the same. Everyone who is Reformed is Calvinist but not all Calvinists are Reformed. 3) Rejecting a point is no longer Calvinism. A “4 pointer” who rejects limited atonement is called an Amyraldian. Again, excellent video. Great summation of the five points with no straw man. Clean and gratuitous.

@friarrodneyburnap4336

2 жыл бұрын

“Choose this day whom ye will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: But as for me and my house, we will serve Yahveh (the Lord.) Joshua 24:15 The passage above is from one of Joshua’s final addresses to Israel. After gathering together the elders of the people to Shechem, and declaring unto them all the things that Yahveh had done for them, he sought to impress upon them the seriousness of deciding whom they would serve. Of course, we also have this choice. We can decide to serve Adonai (the Lord), or we can choose instead to serve ourselves and the multitude of vanities that the nations are doting upon. Many in society are wearying themselves toiling and laboring for the god of self, seeking after things that are unnecessary if not downright destructive ... Even the children of Israel had a free will choice in whom they were going to serve . . . John 3:16 is a free will verse... I have never called out a calvinist not even once. . .you will make a Free Will choice to serve God or you will not. . .and not making a Free Will Choice is still your Free Will...making that decision. . . So if you are a reformed calvinist, are you making a free will choice. . .? Every thing you do in life is from a free will choice... right down to the color of your socks you wear...or the car you drive. . .or what you will do for a job. . .you could just sit in a chair, but if God has predestined you to become a Pastor ...you still have a free will choice if you will get up from the chair and do the necessary things to become a pastor...you have a free will in everything you do. . .God will not drive your car for you, you have to make a decision to do it...a ("choice")... By not making a free will choice . . .about your salvation, if it doesn't work out for you in the end, the only choice you will have according to reform Calvinism is to blame God for your failure for not making Heaven your home... But if you will Repent of your sins, And put your faith in Jesus for your salvation, like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane at 1200 feet, you can just look at the parachute, you have a free will choice to put it on and be saved...You also have a free will choice by faith to but on the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved!

@aletheia8054

2 жыл бұрын

@@friarrodneyburnap4336 Jesus said you don’t choose me but I choose you.

@beautifulmind6697

2 жыл бұрын

@@aletheia8054 and He choose ALL...John 3:16 Duh

@aletheia8054

2 жыл бұрын

@@beautifulmind6697 All who? For what? John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

I love what Chuck Missler once said about this 'debate', and I quote: "At the heart of the controversies between Calvinism and Arminianism is the emphasis on the sovereignty of God by the Calvinists and on the sovereignty (free will) of man - or human responsibility - by the Arminians. Calvinism emphasizes that God is in total control of everything and that nothing can happen that He does not plan and direct, including man’s salvation. Arminianism teaches that man has free will and that God will never interrupt or take that free will away, and that God has obligated Himself to respect the free moral agency and capacity of free choice with which He created us. Both doctrinal positions are reasonable and both have extensive Scriptures to back them up. Both are, in our opinion, both partially right and partially overextended. As Philip Schaff has put it, "Calvinism emphasized divine sovereignty and free grace; Arminianism emphasized human responsibility. The one restricts the saving grace to the elect; the other extends it to all men on the condition of faith. Both are right in what they assert; both are wrong in what they deny. If one important truth is pressed to the exclusion of another truth of equal importance, it becomes an error, and loses its hold upon the conscience. The Bible gives us a theology which is more human than Calvinism and more divine that Arminianism, and more Christian than either of them." Certainly, the Bible does teach that God is sovereign, and that believers are predestined and elected by God to spend eternity with Him. Nowhere, however, does the Bible ever associate election with damnation. Conversely, the Scriptures teach that God elects for salvation, but that unbelievers are in hell by their own choice. Every passage of the Bible that deals with election deals with it in the context of salvation, not damnation. No one is elect for hell. The only support for such a view is human logic, not Biblical revelation (which John Calvin did teach). The concept of total depravity is consistent with Scripture, but the doctrine of limited atonement, that Jesus did not die for the sins of the whole world, is clearly contrary to Biblical teaching. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus died for everyone’s sins and that everyone is able to be saved if they will repent and turn to Christ. Limited atonement is a non-Biblical doctrine. This classic debate, we believe, can only be resolved by recognizing that God is outside our domain of time. The great insight of modern physics is the discovery that time is a physical property. Since God is not bound by the restrictions of our physical existence, He is not someone who has "lots of time," but rather One who is outside our domain of time altogether. While we have complete freedom of choice - within our dimensionality of time - He is outside of that domain and He alone knows the end from the beginning. Thus, it is a courtship between two sovereignties. Election and predestination are Biblical doctrines. God knows everything and therefore He cannot be surprised by anything. He is beyond the constraints of mass, acceleration and gravity, therefore He is outside time. He knows, and has known from “eternity past,” who will exercise their free will to accept Him and who will reject Him. The former are “the elect” and the latter are the “non-elect.” Everyone who is not saved will have only himself to blame: God will not send anyone to hell, but many people will choose to go there by exercising their free will to reject Christ. On the other hand, no one who is saved will be able to take any of the credit. Our salvation is entirely God’s work, and is based completely on the finished work of the Cross. We were dead in trespasses and sins, destined for hell, when God in His grace drew us to Himself, convinced us of our sin and our need for a Savior, and gave us the authority to call Jesus Lord. Is this grace, this wooing, this courtship, irresistible? No, we have free will and we can (and do) resist, even to the damnation of our souls, but God does everything short of making us automata (preprogrammed puppets) to draw us into His forever family."

@yohancruif485

5 жыл бұрын

No, we have free will and we can (and do) resist, even to the damnation of our souls, but God does everything short of making us automata (preprogrammed puppets) to draw us into His forever family." that still mean God is the one who choose us no matter how you explain it. Salvation is grace alone mean it's a gift that we human , not deserved, if you include free will than you admit that human have/share part in salvation. and for me its contradict with christianity that know. Again no matter how you explain it.

@MegaTigers01

4 жыл бұрын

Nonsense, both can't be right. The Pelagian view (Arminianism) is antithetical to the biblical record.

@micheldesjardins9174

3 жыл бұрын

How can God be said to not predestine people to hell, if he only predestines some for heaven and the rest are going to hell by default?

@jackforester7094

2 жыл бұрын

Right on brother, God gave me a Revelation about this, and you are exactly right, the only way to make sense of this debate is by understanding God exists outside of the dimension of Time. I would argue that limited atonement is partially true that while Christ's sacrifice held the weight to pay for the whole world's sins, the non-elect would choose not to receive it.

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

@@jackforester7094 armanaism, Calvinism and Cessationism are false and UNBIBLICAL doctrines of the DEVIL.

John 1:1 -12 Solves every question or argument against it .

@tonyvalentine4154

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Barton You left out John 1:13 and Romans 8:14

Hello there, I'm having a discussion with a co-worker about a particular account in Deut. Chapter 9, it speaks about the following....9 When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the Lord made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water. My co-worker is saying that Moses could not have did this, and maybe he actually came down off of the mountain every few days to eat food & drink eat water, because he said it could not be possible for any human, now or before, to go 40 consecutive days w/o food, and especially w/o water. What is your interpretation of this account please, thank you.

@MountainFisher

5 жыл бұрын

Profesor simply put it was a miracle of God's sustaining grace.

@robertbrunossteelhouse4697

5 жыл бұрын

Ok, thank you.

“Choose this day whom ye will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: But as for me and my house, we will serve Yahveh (the Lord.) Joshua 24:15 The passage above is from one of Joshua’s final addresses to Israel. After gathering together the elders of the people to Shechem, and declaring unto them all the things that Yahveh had done for them, he sought to impress upon them the seriousness of deciding whom they would serve. Of course, we also have this choice. We can decide to serve Adonai (the Lord), or we can choose instead to serve ourselves and the multitude of vanities that the nations are doting upon. Many in society are wearying themselves toiling and laboring for the god of self, seeking after things that are unnecessary if not downright destructive ... Even the children of Israel had a free will choice in whom they were going to serve . . . John 3:16 is a free will verse... I have never called out a calvinist not even once. . .you will make a Free Will choice to serve God or you will not. . .and not making a Free Will Choice is still your Free Will...making that decision. . . So if you are a reformed calvinist, are you making a free will choice. . .? Every thing you do in life is from a free will choice... right down to the color of your socks you wear...or the car you drive. . .or what you will do for a job. . .you could just sit in a chair, but if God has predestined you to become a Pastor ...you still have a free will choice if you will get up from the chair and do the necessary things to become a pastor...you have a free will in everything you do. . .God will not drive your car for you, you have to make a decision to do it...a ("choice")... By not making a free will choice . . .about your salvation, if it doesn't work out for you in the end, the only choice you will have according to reform Calvinism is to blame God for your failure for not making Heaven your home... But if you will Repent of your sins, And put your faith in Jesus for your salvation, like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane at 1200 feet, you can just look at the parachute, you have a free will choice to put it on and be saved...You also have a free will choice by faith to but on the Lord Jesus Christ, and be saved!

Calvinism and Arminianism see different sides of the same coin. It's not a reason to bite and devour one another. I've been a member of each and there are saints in both camps. Easy believism (just say a prayer and sign here) and works based faith (you have to do this and this to earn God's favor) are your enemies. A true believer has had his eyes opened and we know Him. Once I saw the Lord, I can never go back. I love Him. I fear Him. I want to be His. I want to read His Word and trust it in a dying world. I've been disobedient, I've repented, I see that constant struggle when I try to conform to His image and we can never quite reach it in our corrupted flesh which will one day die like a seed in the ground and sprout forth the new body He promises us all. Singling out verses won't work. The other side will quote his verses right back at you. We have to read the whole bible and believe it all. The more we try to figure it out, the more we see that God's wisdom is unfathomable. But He said we would know we are His by the love we show to one another.

Something to keep in mind is that Arminians are also Reformed. They believe in Total Depravity. But they explain human choice of Salvation based on prevenient grace

@kevinbarton1661

4 жыл бұрын

Thomasrice07 - Acts 1:8 is a command from Jesus Christ with His promise of hope for Everyone on earth who love him .

Praise be to God. Don't forget that God is always the teacher. God is always at the center. Only God. Hallelujah!

Thank you!! this helped me understand calvinism a lot.

@93556108

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Ly since you understand calvinism a lot, kindly if you will give me your exposition on these verse by utilising the Calvinistic system. (Luk 19:10) For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Who are those Christ come to seek and to save? your answer must be Christ come to save only the elect based on your limited atonement theory. But this verse Luk19:10b says " ......to save that which was lost". basing on the same theory the lost must only be the "elect". But that contradicts the Bible's affirmation, I quote "(Rom 3:9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; (Rom 3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: The Bible explicitly says "there is none righteous, no, not one" both jews and gentiles, that they are all under sin" meaning all human beings that ever lived or will lived on this earth. Your calvinism theory says the lost are the elect whom Christ come to seek and to save because Christ come to die only for their sins (particular atonement). Thus this doctrine of Calvinism has blatantly violated the word of God. I have another verse for your exposition: " (Rom 4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness". Note rom4:5b "......that justified the ungodly....". based on calvinism the "ungodly" must only be the "elect" as only they could be saved. Your calvinism teaching make no sense and it sounds ludicrous. Isn't it? Do you care to comment? Thank you Sam

@user-ui7jw8ow4f

3 жыл бұрын

@@93556108 He never said it made him a Calvinist, just helped him understand the belief system... may want to relax in your interactions w internet strangers.

@93556108

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ui7jw8ow4f my comments were directed to Sam Ly since he claimed to understand a lot about Calvinism then I merely requested if he could grant me an exposition on the subject. Did I affirmed him to be a Calvinist? Certainly no and perhaps it is you who need to relax in your communications with strangers as your comments are based on presumption. Thank you.

@user-ui7jw8ow4f

3 жыл бұрын

@@93556108 you seem like an asshole

This is how Calvin preached the Gospel FREE OFFER OF THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120): "He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few. Calvin did a phenomenal work with his complete Bible Commentaries in his time all that was available was portions and only explained Spiritually. Calvin never made up the 5 points people later did that against the 5 points of the remonstrants. However they condensed it from the works of Calvin including his Commentaries The teaching of Calvin mainly was a rejecting of the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. Special Salvation by works. Vs. Justification by Faith." Arminius his real name Hermans, Professors in his days made their name sound Latin. One of his teachings against Calvin is that God's plan of salvation came after the fall in Paradise. The argument is that Calvin's At the Time professor Gomaris teaching would make God the author of Sin. However the Bible is Clear about the predestination from eternity. Romans 8:28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

for class, bless for this 💓

Apart from the last minute or so, great video.

Context and Calvinism don't mix.

@kelvinnguyen8686

6 жыл бұрын

Dave G I haven't. Most the time they just yell big theological words at me.lol.So how would you interpet mattew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins."

@kelvinnguyen8686

6 жыл бұрын

Dave G I just happen to come across calvinsit who use this as a proof text for election. Regarding "his people" as "his elect". But Deuteronomy 32:9 tells me " For the lord portion is his people: Jacob is the lot of his inheritance" Psalms 94:14 makes it clear that "For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance."

@kelvinnguyen8686

6 жыл бұрын

Dave G I would have to respectfully disagree with you. All five point of calvinism do err greatly, and I myself call it Hersey. There has been some to call the Tulip "The real gospel' or say that you don't really need to know the gospel to be saved, which is a heresy.

@solafide4054

5 жыл бұрын

Kelvin Nguyen Seriously!?! Context is completely on the reformed side, there is zero context for the other.

@barrypotterton7839

5 жыл бұрын

Kelvin Nguyen absolute baloney! CALVINISM IS expository biblical teaching, all of it!

I mean I can kind of understand the limited atonement. Isn't rejecting Christ blasphemy against the holy spirit? Isn't that the only unforgivable sin? Or do I have this wrong?

@yurafeg5970

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, saying fuck the holy spirit is blasphemy against the holy spirit

@leviwilliams9507

4 жыл бұрын

Of you look into context of the unforgivable sin it becomes easier to understand. People who see the work of God and constantly reject his message, that is an unforgivable sin. Jesus was telling this to Parashees of the time.

So is total depravity similar to the concept of being born with "Original sin"?

"I will not go to church for now. Because if God really chose me, He'll make a way for me to attend church." I heard this one time on a bible discussion, testimony of a man whose son doesn't want to go to church with him. You think this is correct? This is a kind of Calvinism right?

I have been predestined to be saved, but it was my choice if I would be a not . . . 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

@hwangzhu5924

4 жыл бұрын

If it's your choice then are u saying you are more Sovereign than God?

@friarrodneyburnap4336

4 жыл бұрын

@@hwangzhu5924 I am saying that God's grace is not limited it is available for everyone, and anyone can be saved if they'll repent and put their faith in Jesus like you would a parachute if you where going to jump out of an airplane... You can't just look at the parachute, you have to put it on... put on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved....If you believe God created some of mankind to burn in a devil's hell, with out any hope of salvation... And it's God's will that some people have no hope of salvation ...if you believe this then you are believing in a different God...then the one that is God Almighty in Christ Jesus of the bible... 2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” .

@friarrodneyburnap4336

4 жыл бұрын

Thy faith hath saved thee ..." Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind.

@friarrodneyburnap4336

4 жыл бұрын

@@hwangzhu5924 Calvinism is a man made philosophy depending on fallible human logic which total ignores many clear Scriptures, perverts many, and misuses others. Long before John Calvin's time the teaching was presented by the Roman Catholic heretic Augustine. Here are some Scriptures soundly refute the errors of the Calvinist TULIP: T = TOTAL INABILITY (Called in Calvinism, Total Depravity, but actually taught as the Total Inability of man to choose Truth. The Calvinist plays many such word games. The Word of God teaches that God created man with the ability to reason, choose, and receive Truth.): Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." James 1:21: "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls." Isaiah1:18: "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live." Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Psalm 119:30, 111, 173: "I have CHOSEN The Way of Truth: Thy Judgments have I laid before me....Thy Testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for They are the rejoicing of my heart....Let Thine hand help me; for I have chosen Thy Precepts." John 1:12: "But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." 2 Timothy 1:12: "...I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have COMMITTED unto him against that day." Preaching the Gospel is the ordinary means of salvation; faith in Christ is the result of hearing the word, the doctrine of God preached. Preaching, God sends; if heard attentively, faith will be produced; and if they believe the report, the arm of the Lord will be revealed in their salvation. U = UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION (Calvinism teaches that God selects those who are to be saved without any condition, but the Bible teaches that there is one condition to salvation: faith.): 1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ..." 2 Thessalonians 2:13: "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth." Luke 7:50: "... Thy faith hath saved thee ..." Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." L = LIMITED ATONEMENT (Calvinism teaches that Christ died only for the elect, but the Bible teaches that He died for all mankind. The reason not all are saved is because they failed to repent and receive the Saviour, not because He didn't provide for their salvation.): Isaiah 53:6: "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL." 1 Timothy 4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially of those that believe." 1 John 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of THE WHOLE WORLD." Hebrews 2:9: "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN." 1 Timothy 2:4: "Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the Truth." Universal vs. Limited Atonement Some Calvinists will argue that a universal principle does exist in the atonement. The death of Christ, they say, has secured many non-redemptive benefits for mankind in general. This they frequently sum up under the heading of "common grace." Boettner writes: "God makes His sun to shine on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. Many temporal blessings are thus secured for all men, although these fall short of being sufficient to insure salvation."16 Where do the Scriptures ever state that temporal blessings in the natural realm - sunshine, rain, etc. - were secured for mankind by Christ's death? There is not a shred of evidence for this idea; it is entirely philosophical and conjectural. In the debate over the extent of the atonement, Calvinists will point to Scriptures connecting Christ's death to a specific people: his sheep (John 10:11); his friends (John 15:13); "many" (Heb. 9:28). Arminians will produce passages indicating that Jesus died for the "whole world" (1 John 2:2); "all" (2 Cor. 5:15); "every man" (Heb. 2:9). These texts can be harmonized when we consider that the redemptive benefits of Christ's death are both specific and God has placed the life-giving fountain of Christ's blood in His Church. Our Lord "loved the church and gave himself up for her" (Eph. 5:25). The Church was "bought with his own blood" (Acts 20:28). That makes the atonement of Christ specific; it was for His Church. But the atonement is universal in the sense that the Church's gates are wide open to "everyone who calls" (Rom. 10:13), to "him who is thirsty" (Rev. 21:6), to "all you who are weary and burdened" (Matt. 11:28). The invitation to believe, be baptized and enter the Church extends to "every tribe and language and people and nation" (Rev. 5:9). In that sense, the atonement is universal and available to all. Or, looking at in another way, Christ's blood is "the blood of the covenant" (Matt. 26:28). Jesus died for those in the covenant of grace, not for those outside of it. Is that fatalism? Not at all. Anyone may enter that covenant by becoming a Christian. It is open-ended. The atonement, therefore, is both limited and universal. It is both specific and general. I = IRRESISTIBLE GRACE (Calvinism teaches that God's grace for salvation cannot be resisted, but the Word of God says it can be resisted): Lamentations 3:35-36: "To turn aside the right of a man before the face of the most High, To subvert a man in his cause, the Lord approveth not." Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and YE WOULD NOT!" John 5:39-40: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life." Acts 7:51: "Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always RESIST the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." Proverbs 1:24-26: "Because I have called, and YE REFUSED; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." Proverbs 29:1: "He, that being often reproved HARDENETH HIS NECK, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." P = PERSEVERANCE (The Bible teaches preservation of the saints; not perseverance of the saints): Jude 1: "... to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ..." 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly: and I pray God your whole spirit and soul, and body be PRESERVED blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. " John 10:27-29: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life: and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand." Colossians 3:3-4: "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." Hebrews 7:25: "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." CONCLUSION: Calvinism clearly errs from the teaching of the Word of God on all 5 points of it's TULIP. The logical conclusion of Calvinism is that God is an unfair respecter of persons who chooses people to salvation, not according to any standard that He established, but arbitrarily. This strikes at the love and justice of God, contradicts the fact that Christ gave his life for ALL, and rejects man's responsibility to choose and love his Creator. Proverbs 24:23: "... It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Acts 10:34-35: "... Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him." John 6:28-29: "... What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? ... This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent. Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

@hwangzhu5924

4 жыл бұрын

Better read Romans 9 mate.

Well made good starting point understanding of Calvinism. I am a 0 point calvinist. :-)

Thx for explaining the 5 points of Calvin.

John 15;1616 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you(A) so that you might go and bear fruit(B)-fruit that will last-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you

Please pray for peoples salvation...I am not a Calvinist, there is always hope in Christ Jesus. . .

@His-Story.ForHisGlory

2 жыл бұрын

You mean ask God to violate someone's freewill and open their eyes and ears to the calling of the Gospel? Totally😎

@aletheia8054

Жыл бұрын

@@His-Story.ForHisGlory That’s what salvation is. God violating a man’s will and replacing it with his. It’s called conforming to the image of Christ.

@His-Story.ForHisGlory

Жыл бұрын

@@aletheia8054 Read my comment again

@aletheia8054

Жыл бұрын

@@His-Story.ForHisGlory Yeah. You got it

ROMANS 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

@dan-lansingmi9169

6 ай бұрын

It is that simple as you stated. John 3:16. Whoever believes....

Many times God says, “CHOOSE you this day whom you will serve.” “Choose life…”. Choose, choose, see the pattern. Hard to choose if you don’t have the ability to like some think. You are accountable for your own actions and choices. That’s why God is just.

I defend and uphold TULIP theory.The explanation is so clear,with text proofs, w hy should i deny it then?!

This is a good explanation of Calvinism. While, I do not agree with it because I believe it places soteriology ahead of Christology. I understand it. Thanks.

Thank God for your life for sharing this information. Good to know these things because I was puzzled when someone posted something about calvanism, so I searched for it and here you are. Anyway, I disagree when they teach that only Christians are saved by Jesus Christ and not everyone because God says He did not come for the people who think they are righteous but for those who are sinners who needs repentance. God also says that Jesus Christ died while we are still sinners. We all believe that all of us are sinners therefore all of us are saved by Jesus Christ by grace alone. We are saved by our sinful nature but we are still not saved by God's wrath on the judgement day. God says many are called but few are chosen, because only few responded to God's calling. We are chosen not only because God chose us but also we have a major role also in responding to His will. Such as in the life of Judas, he was chosen by God but still God could not force Him to repent and not to commit suicide. I believe in calvinism it is more about works rather about the grace of God through Jesus Christ. I'm not starting to debate though, I could be wrong and misunderstood this but I totally agree when you said that we should only believe in what Jesus Christ preached in the Bible. God bless everyone and to God be all the glory and praises!

@andrianolasiman7694

3 жыл бұрын

Amen!.. Praise God! 😇 That is truly the gospel of Jesus Christ! The only good news we should be believing and living! God bless you and your family!

@margriettalen6713

3 жыл бұрын

Repentance is not taught in the Calvinists church. It’s an automatic forgivenesses.

@randychurchill201

2 жыл бұрын

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@nathanlorenzo8550

Жыл бұрын

@@margriettalen6713 can I ask what you're trying to point out in relation to the original comment?

@margriettalen6713

Жыл бұрын

What I am saying is that being brought up in a Calvinist church is that repentance was not highlighted. We were not called to repent, but forgiveness was brought to the people as an automatic result after reading the law. The passage used was: though your sins are as scarlet, they have been made white as snow. I never was brought to an understanding of who I was before I came to the realization that I was a sinner in need of salvation, which was brought about by Jesus’ death on the cross where He shed His blood for sinners.

GREAT VIDEO

Everyone wants to make God in their own image, it’s only when we look to Jesus as our example, that we see what God wants us to see, and do what God wants us to do. All of this quarreling over names and divisions is the very thing we were warned about in 1 Corinthians.

As a Calvinist I can say what sold me is the focus of the sovereignty of God and for the first time ever the message of the cross made sense to me knowing that Jesus didn’t go blindly to the cross not knowing who he was being a propitiation for but rather He knew who he died for. Gods calling is effectual it is true “that He who began a good work in you will see it through” if you get tired of self help do better preaching Calvinism is a breath of fresh air because the scope of the message is emphasized on the person and work of Jesus and it is through Him and By Him we live as humble servants to the throne. (Not looking to debate anyone lol) just wanted to comment. Peace and Grace to you all. Thank you.

@abenezermesfin6691

Жыл бұрын

Amen, brother

@mikefoht2738

Жыл бұрын

Then one should ask himself where is a single verse in scripture that Christ died for the sins of the elect?

@casenswartz7278

Жыл бұрын

Yes. “just as the Father knows me and I know the Father-and I lay down my life for the sheep.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10‬:‭15‬

@SetApartForChrist32

Жыл бұрын

Amen. Same here on God's Sovereignty, and also the Christ-centeredness, rather than the man-centered false gospel of free will (Arminianism).

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

Жыл бұрын

​@@SetApartForChrist32 You should study books on logic until you become logical in your thinking. Calvinism is illogical as well as unbiblical. Logos is a term used in Western philosophy, psychology and rhetoric; it connotes an appeal to rational discourse that relies on inductive and deductive reasoning.

Why would jesus give the great commission? If only a few will be saved regardless of hearing the gospel.

@mercibeaucoup2639

3 жыл бұрын

WE CALL THAT FREE WILL. GOD BLESS YOU.

@Project-pq1qh

3 жыл бұрын

The covenant of redemption.

@mercibeaucoup2639

3 жыл бұрын

@@Project-pq1qh THE COVENANT OF REDEMPTION IN REFORMED THEOLOGY. THE BIBLE SAYS, “[JESUS] IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, AND NOT ONLY FOR OURS BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.” (1 JOHN 2:2) JESUS ATONING SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE (HOLOU) WORLD (KOSMOU). THE GREEK WORD ACTUALLY MEANS COSMOS OR UNIVERSE. GOD BLESS YOU

We are given a new heart when we are saved.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if ANY MAN hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20

Ya'll need to realize that there IS another, MUCH more Biblical view! Check out Leighton Flower's book, The Potter's Promise or go to Soteriology 101 to learn about the non-reformed view of soteriology that makes real sense. God never expected us to believe a complete contradiction!

@williambunter3311

4 жыл бұрын

mickey foeller; Thanks, Mickey. I will check out Mr. Flowers book, and will in fact get my local book shop to get me a copy.. Calvinism is full of contradictions and twisting of Scripture. You are clearly referring to Rom. 9; for some reason Calvinists don't realise that Paul is talking about Israel, and is not teaching about soteriology. I have heard R.C. Sproul lecture a group of students about Rom. 9, and his ignorance is astounding.

@MD-ww7gy

4 жыл бұрын

No offense to LF, he is very educated, articulate, and confident in his belief. But he doesn't know reformed theology to speak against it. Just because someone writes a book, doesn't mean he is an expert in opposed views. He is biased as are we all.

@dfischer1709

4 жыл бұрын

better read us The Potters Freedom by James White

@MD-ww7gy

4 жыл бұрын

@@dfischer1709 I love Dr. White! He takes a lot of heat, but it's because he HAS to stay consistent with his theology. He's not afraid to speak up! Respect!

Well I'm no Calvinist but I can see a valid argument in humanity's depravity. Want an example? 75% of Christian men are porn addicts. Heck I'm one of those men and I am fighting that addiction but losing. I am a very messed up person imho because of this.

@highinquisitorofjigglypuff2689

6 жыл бұрын

Count Asti Just pull out your eyeballs.

@childinchrist7335

4 жыл бұрын

idle minds are the devil's workshop...get busy.

@williambunter3311

4 жыл бұрын

Cult of Magus; your honesty is refreshing. All of us are weak in different areas. I think Child in Christ may have a good bit of advice when he/she says to get busy.

@williambunter3311

4 жыл бұрын

@@highinquisitorofjigglypuff2689 I love your You Tube pen name! Gave me a welcome bellylaugh. Not so sure about pulling out one's eyeballs though!

@kevinbarton1661

4 жыл бұрын

Well if women would guard their modesty it would help too. The women must be open addicts if they pose nude to be photographed . It is not just a mans problem . But it is very controllable .

Does it really make any difference how we are saved?

great video

A lot of "Christians" really love their Idol of "Free Will" and don't want to accept the fact that they did nothing to aid or procure their salvation.

@93556108

4 жыл бұрын

By your comment, you must be another devout Calvinist. God commanded approximately 200 times asking sinners to believe in Him and Jesus. If God had commanded then who is supposed to act? Certainly it is man's responsibility and are you suggesting like every calvinist that God had to used his irresistible grace to make man to believe. Surely not but every man will ultimately have to decide for himself (human volition) on whether to accept or to reject God's gift of salvation and man will have to face whatever consequences he chooses, good or bad. These verses and many more that clearly demonstrated man's volition, I quote ; " (Joh 3:19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Jos 24:15) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." In Joh3:19 this verse says "men loved darkness rather than the light" thus it signifies man has a choice(human's volition). In Jos24:15 Joshua was asking his congregation to choose whom they were to serve. this verse alone debunked calvinism's theory on total depravity. Freewill is a gift from God as He is not a cosmic rapist. Thanks

@williamgill_esq.6487

3 жыл бұрын

The Bible from beginning to end confirms and is all about free will. Yes, mankind has a sin nature but mankind also has complete free will to do good or to do evil, and say yes to Christ or say no to Christ.

@Creshex8

3 жыл бұрын

@@93556108 wicked men make wicked choices, dude. Commanding them to be good, when they are by nature wicked, isn’t going to give them the power to do good. Leopard and the spots.

@93556108

3 жыл бұрын

@@Creshex8 We know that, when John writes that believers do not continue to sin, he is not referring to sinless perfection because of what he writes elsewhere in the same epistle. To believers John says, “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). So, we are all sinners, and we continue to struggle with sin even after we are saved. We will never know a total absence of sin until we are with the Lord in glory: “When Christ appears, we shall be like him” (1 John 3:2). Your comments explicitly confirmed you are just an atheist and do not know the power of the cross.

@Creshex8

3 жыл бұрын

@@93556108 WHAT? Discernment isn’t your gift, certainly. So an atheist can believe in tenets of theology that require I believe in God, yet I am also by definition someone that doesn’t believe in God? Okay.....

Calvan was a leading figure at the time. There were others before him that taught the same doctrine. Because of this we use his name as a handle to point out this doctrine taught in churches even before his time.

@Tigerex966

2 жыл бұрын

He praised Augustine more than anyone for the Determinism he taught even more than Jesus.

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

@@Tigerex966 we are to follow Jesus Christ Not Augustine, church forefathers, John Calvin etc

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

Calvinism explained kzread.info/dash/bejne/faWkw5aMkauoqMo.html

@Tigerex966

Жыл бұрын

@@J_a_s_o_n amen I agree. Let the holy spirit lead convict and comfort not man.

In calvinism is the christian saved by Grace or election then? Genuine question

@FollowerOfTheLight2782

3 ай бұрын

the two

What’s the point in spreading the gospel then if some of us are predestined and some aren’t?

@margriettalen6713

3 жыл бұрын

That is why many Calvinists will not present the gospel to a stranger. They will never go up to a person and tell them that Jesus loves them. Norman Geisler: why I am not a 5 point Calvinist.

@truth7416

2 жыл бұрын

@@margriettalen6713 Voddie Baucham, George Grant, Michael Morales, R.C. Sproul and R.C. Sproul Jr. engage in a discussion about theology and topics. The doctrine of these men is God doesn't want to save you. They say God saved them but not you. Well maybe a few others but not you! No man can come unless the Father draws him. Explained without Calvinist glasses on.... The Bible has taught us that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit are the one true God. Each having a different role with the human race. Yet one God. The Fathers teaches everyone that God exists. Through the creation! Romans1: 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. NO ONE HAS AN EXCUSE. The Father is not the saviour, that is the role of the Son, The Messiah, The Lord Jesus, The Christ! They are taught by the Father as this verse shows: and the Father sends them that believe that God exists to the Son. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. John 6:45 So when Jesus said that: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:44 It is simple saying that the Father makes all men aware that God exists and sends those who respond to Jesus. BUT! not all men will respond even though they have no excuse. They know God exists but they made their choice. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools Romans 1:21-22 Paul verifies this to Timothy: This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 The Holy Spirit comes into play in a special way only once a person whom the Father sends to the Son for salvation. Those who willingly desire to be right with God. Those who Repent and are Baptized. JESUS John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE

I understand but yet it just goes around in around in a circle to me. I know Jesus Christ is Lord. He's the Father Son and Holy Spirit. I believe I am saved by God's grace. I need not do good works alone. Why such a debate over calvinism.Has this messed up people's belief in salvation because it kinda sounds warped. I'm 53 I knew about Calvinism and Martin Luther. But has this caused division in the belief of people going to college. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems young people use it as a excuse not to believe in anything. I don't believe in predestination. Yes God chooses everyone it's just up to us to find the right thing. have a former JW in the family and wow listening to the story is scary. even my child is having issues with what he was brought up and it wasn't religion that got a hold of him .It's the education in college. I don't believe people can actually think for their self anymore. Google is the answer. I pray for my son and the JW and she's a great person. I only paid attention to God and his word without dissection of everything in life. Don't understand all this

@ScottCreps

7 жыл бұрын

I think this is all a matter of perspective. What are the most important things? Jesus is the Son of God. Salvation is by God's grace, not works. These are the big, important issues. Calvinism and Arminianism is much less important. It's an issue that Bible-believing Christians debate. But it's not on the same level as those other issues. Hopefully, Christians can agree to disagree on certain issues, like Calvinism and Arminianism, and come together under the cross.

@vidsofMad

6 жыл бұрын

Tammy, Jesus is not the Father and he is not the Holy Spirit. That should be your problem first! Study the Trinity.

Calvin, who? I follow Jesus

@YerPope

4 жыл бұрын

So do Calvinists follow the Jesus of the Bible. Which one do you follow?

@nietzschesghost8529

4 жыл бұрын

That's a fallacious response. It implies that John Calvin replaces Jesus in Calvinism. Calvinists are Christians in every sense who have a particular understanding of the process of salvation, and that process of salvation became known as "Calvinism" over time.

@marcusallen2485

4 жыл бұрын

@@YerPope Yes, we follow Jesus of the bible... We call ourself calvinist because John Calvin was a major inspiration in the "interpretation" of the bible, and the word just happened to derive from his name.

@patrickoconnor9700

4 жыл бұрын

So are Catholics Christian.

@Gericho49

4 жыл бұрын

​@@patrickoconnor9700 What do Calvinists believe that seem to be common with atheists ? The latter believe we're merely a bag of chemicals in motion. Dawkins says, a bunch of selfish genes, slaves to our DNA evolved for no other purpose than survival and contributing to the gene pool.Taken to its logical conclusion we dont reason we merely react. Some honest atheists (and many Calvinists) say there's no such thing as freewill, called determinism or perhaps fatalism. For the Calvinist, it is not their DNA that chooses/predestines their fate, but a capricious Creator. The evolutionists’genes decide by "natural selection" who survives (gets saved) and who dies. It is just chance who inherits the best genes, who lives (is predestined)or who will be lost. The socalled "elect" (chosen ones) would seem the winners of a chance lottery much like those who inherit the best genes from the gene pool. If Calvin’s interpretations are correct Rom 9 cf.2 Peter 3:9 then it is surely only arrogance to assume one numbers among the “elect” ! how could any finite being presume to know the mind of an infinite God or not lose something (salvation) if it wasn’t theirs in the 1st place? *So this is the God you believe in, who is merely the capricious orchestrator of a salvation lottery, randomly selecting who is saved or perishes?* How could anyone believe God has given you a literal get-out-of-jail pass and thus exempt u from the final judgment (Matt 16:27)? So where is the doctrine of “eternal security” when there is abundance evidence to the contrary? If you belonged to the vine but stop bearing fruit, you will be cut off and thrown in the fire. John 15:2-6 Alas, “do not be conceited” for u will be lost! Romans 11:20-21.

Does this mean there is hope for a "prodigal son"? Ie; Walked away from home (God). Lived a life that resulted in heartache and pain (Back-slid). But then came home and was welcomed back by his father. What I'm asking is, can someone who "back-slid" for 10 or more years but then repented and returned, still saved??? Or did they 'blow' their salvation and there is no hope for them?

My devout father is a Calvinist, he told me once, that I would do "great things for the Christian world." despite my leaving of the church as soon as I was allowed to stay at home alone. I appreciate his permission of my rebellion, he never Forced me to go to church. But I think his "vision" was based around Irresistible Grace. Who among us would not wish their offspring to be saved as they are? To a nonbeliever, it's an incredible weight.

Thanks. Very helpful video. However, it is a common understanding that Arminianism is counterpoint to Calvinism. Arminius was a Calvinist though and his arguments are formed from Calvinistic ideology. In a way, Arminianism is kind of Calvinism lite. Traditionalism is actually the counterpont to both positions. Thanks for your heart and desire in Christ to want to sort through these things. Many Christians are not aware of these differences...and an actually wider similarity. God bless.

@randychurchill201

2 жыл бұрын

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Allow me to make a very important clarification for you on Calvinism's doctrine of Limited Atonement: Jesus's sacrifice on the cross was sufficient for all people, for all time, and for all sins. But it was only efficient for some. This is quite obvious given that the Bible clearly states that some people do not have salvation and instead exist in hell. The opposite of Limited Atonement is Universalism which the Bible clearly refutes.

@joe_zeay

3 жыл бұрын

"Efficient for some" should read 'Accepted by some". Now you have biblically correct statement. The Bible > calvin's heresy books

@simonbagel

3 жыл бұрын

@@joe_zeay Are you Pelagian or Semi-Pelagian?

@joe_zeay

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonbagel doesn't matter what i am. Jesus is the only thing that matters to man... whether they Accept or Reject Him as their sacrificial atonement for their sins.

@simonbagel

3 жыл бұрын

@@joe_zeay You have to be one or the other. You're certainly not Augustinian.

@joe_zeay

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonbagel no sinful man tells me what i have to be. John1:12 says i am a child of God, and nothing more.

21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do. Luke 10:21

Thank you for setving the Lord in this way. God bless you. You did very well simplifying and summarizing both the Calvinist and Arminian positions. Very rarely have I seen presentations that I can not decide which side the presenter is on. One criticism I have us yuse of the world "opposite." If you were to chart all the doctrines of Calvinism and Arminianism, you would find that the 2 views have was way more in common than the word "opposite" suggests. Instead I would describe them as opposing perspectives of the same doctrines. I myself have jokingly referred to myself as a Calminianist, even though there is no such thing.

@SetApartForChrist32

Жыл бұрын

They are two entirely different systems of doctrine. I don't see how anyone can mix them together and be a Calminianist! I would consider myself to be a Calvinist if I had to choose one between the two.

My first name is Calvin,but im not a Calvinist

Jesus is for all who seek him! (not saying all will make it for the path is narrow and strait).

@Mr.Truxton

5 жыл бұрын

Amen! But if someone is truly seeking, they will find. God is alredy working in them then.

I would say that arminianism is not really the opposite to Calvinism. Because both are based upon the doctrines from Agustine. There are actually a lot of more positions to take than just Calvinism and Arminianism. So I don't think anyone needs to feel like they are either Arminian or Calvinistic or on a spectrum in between. There are positions outside that spectrum too

2 Peter 3:9 "9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." This verse seems quite clear in that the Lord wants ALL to be saved

@FollowerOfTheLight2782

3 ай бұрын

2.Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "us-ward"

Calvinism is Augustinianism. It goes back a lot further than the 1500s.

@mayflower1344

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the idea of God's sovereignty to the extent Calvinists take it may originate back to the ancient pagan gods of fate. They believed deities planned out the destinies of every human, and humans could unveil their destinies through astrology and other occultic practices. Maybe some of that culture seeped into Augustine's theology.

@zaharishtonov

5 жыл бұрын

May Flower - Tell that to Apostle Paul when he wrote Ephesians: _”Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as _*_he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world_*_ , that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: _*_Having predestinated us_*_ unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will”_ - Ephesians 1:3-5 And there are many more verses...

@mayflower1344

5 жыл бұрын

@@zaharishtonov I have no disagreements with the Apostle Paul. We are chosen "in him" (Christ) and are predestinated unto the adoption "by Jesus Christ." Jesus is the elect. He is the predestined. He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. He is the chosen One. Believers are God's elect because they are in Christ. Paul doesn't say that God planned out all men's destinies and that they have no choice or ability to respond to the Gospel. God is not willing that any should perish, but God's will can be limited by man's disobedience. ("Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41) If God scripted all mankind's destinies, then He would be responsible for man's sin. But God can't be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man. In His sovereignty, He made man in His own image, which includes a will or personal agency. In His foreknowledge, He predestined us to be elect, adopted, saved in Christ Jesus through faith. Calvinism is a real stingy, elitist misrepresentation of the Gospel. The simple truth is: if you want to be a part of the elect, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.

@zaharishtonov

5 жыл бұрын

May Flower - I am not sure if we are reading the same Bible text or are we just reading into it differently? What you are calling truth sounds a lot more like manmade doctrine to me. I believe in predestination because it is presented loud and clear to all of us in the Bible. Whether or not someone is willing to accept it is another story. If you so want to have some kind of merit or a part in the “choosing” of who gets saved or who doesn’t, well suite yourself. That already gives you a reason to boast about it and I don’t think God allows that. Salvation is a free gift from God. Otherwise is works which would be having to “pay” to receive your salvation. What kind of gift is that? Jesus once said that we are dead (and He is Life). Dead men cannot chose, because they are dead. If we were truly able to make our own righteous choice God wouldn’t have sent us Christ for the remission of our sins. Nothing can _limit_ God, especially us. The proper translation of that word in Psalm 78 is *grieve* or *cause pain* . Read the context of the whole passage and you will see why God was grieved. I really wish you let go of manmade doctrines and start reading The Book for what it is. God Bless!

@mayflower1344

5 жыл бұрын

@@zaharishtonov It must be that we are reading different text with a different perspective. Because I agree with you 100% that salvation is a free gift, one that is payed for, provided by, and offered by God. Where I disagree with you is that I don’t believe putting my faith in Christ is a work. John 1:12-13 says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Look at the grammar. It clearly states that God gives the power of salvation to them that receive and believe. It doesn't say God gives the power to receive and believe for salvation. There’s a distinction. We can't will ourselves to be saved, we can't work for salvation, all we can do is trust in Christ, meaning receive the gift that He has paid for. Receiving a gift someone else has paid for is not "earning" the gift. It is grace. Once we receive and believe, God alone does the work of regeneration. There is no boasting in that. Another thing I disagree with you is that man has no choice in salvation. Man must have a choice because God always presents salvation to us as a choice - believe or be condemned. There is choice in options. Salvation is not a lottery. Rev 22:17 says, "And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Yes, we are dead in trespasses and sin. But John 1:9 says of Jesus and man, “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” We are all born with enough light in our soul to respond to Christ. Romans 10:17 says, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” God’s Word, not force, is the means of faith. The Holy Spirit works with the Word to draw us. He calls us, but the chosen are the ones who respond with faith to the call. Some feel the wooing of God and refuse the Gospel. You said, “If we were truly able to make our own righteous choice God wouldn’t have sent us Christ for the remission of our sins.” I think you misunderstand what salvation is for. Salvation is not about our ability or inability to choose God, it is about our sinful, fallen nature. There are lost people who choose to do good, even Biblical things. They have the ability to make some righteous choices. But God calls their righteousness “filthy rags” and not because He hates lost people obeying His commands. It is because sin mars everything about us, until we put on the righteousness of Christ through faith. The Bible says Christ came to save us from our sin - not from our inability to choose righteousness! I read all of Psalm 78, and the idea still stands. God wanted to bless His people, but because of their disobedience and stubbornness, His wonderous works for them turned to terrible chastisement. Of course, we can limit God’s will in our lives! Read Luke13:34. If we couldn’t, every day, every Christian would see greater things than Pentecost in their town. Christians would not sin. Every person would be saved for He said He is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” The whole world would always give God the glory He is due. Sadly that isn’t happening yet (one day it will!). God has an ultimate (historical and prophetic) will and plan that no man can change, yet God, in His sovereignty, gives man spiritual agency. If there is no freedom or voluntarism in our response to God, it is all a charade. Think of it this way - Would you rather have a person love and marry you from their own genuine desire? or would you prefer a person stripped of all autonomy who is programmed to mimic love and desire? I believe God wants authentic worshipers and followers, not puppets on a string. I think it is funny that you say I should let go of manmade doctrines, when the doctrine you espouse is founded and named after a man. The doctrine of salvation in Scripture is always “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” When Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc. were asked about obtaining eternal life, they never said, “Well, God randomly chooses. He only died for some. If you’re one of the chosen, you can’t resist. Ultimately, you'll find out if you are elect, if you end up in heaven.” That is basically the Tulip Gospel. Again, I have no problems with the word predestination. Predestination and Free-will are not mutually exclusive, when you understand the foreknowledge of God and that we are the chosen, elected, predestinated because we are IN Christ, Who is THE Chosen, THE Elect, and THE Predestinated from the foundation of the world!

I was told by a Calvinist. You just understand Calvinism. I said. Calvinist don’t understand Calvinism. Calvinism is all over the place. And it shows up about every decade. Then goes away again.

@raymatthews4319

3 жыл бұрын

That's their favorite reply to those who disagree with them, along with strawman.

Very interesting video, I am Catholic, and wanted to learn about what Calvanism really teches.

@aletheia8054

2 жыл бұрын

Read John Calvin. It’s free online

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

Here kzread.info/dash/bejne/faWkw5aMkauoqMo.html

@J_a_s_o_n

Жыл бұрын

@@aletheia8054 it's a false doctrine kzread.info/dash/bejne/faWkw5aMkauoqMo.html

Calvinism... One their favorite phrases is "from the foundation of the world". In my videos I take 140+ of their favorite verses and study the context of each verse. Their version of sovereignty can easily be exposed simply by context.

And if you look below, you will find a large group of people who think they understand Calvinism, but really only know their straw man version of it.

@MD-ww7gy

4 жыл бұрын

AMEN!