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@TheHatersarebad

11 ай бұрын

What if China permanently collapsed during the Three Kingdoms Period and never reunited?

@danielsantiagourtado3430

11 ай бұрын

What's your favorite all time King/Emperor

@MonsieurDean

11 ай бұрын

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Augustus

@PresidentAutumn

11 ай бұрын

This may be a bit of a darker video idea, but “What if Idi Amin was never ousted and exiled?”

@dagothur5595

11 ай бұрын

Awb flag vs Aryan nations flag choose wisely.

I think the takeaway here, is that if South Africa kept/used their nuclear arsenal, the entire southern region of Africa could likely find itself either under direct or indirect control of the South African government. At least for a long while. Because well… the idea of being nuked is never fun.

@Dock284

11 ай бұрын

This would probably make Africa more hostile to the west but still not trusting of the Chinese and so I see Africa being much more neutral in this timeline.

@alexhulsebos5401

11 ай бұрын

@@Dock284 almost like a more on the edge, version of Switzerland.

@kingofhearts3185

11 ай бұрын

Like an african north korea...

@alexhulsebos5401

11 ай бұрын

@@kingofhearts3185 probably. Of course without the communism

@JaKingScomez

11 ай бұрын

@@alexhulsebos5401 it might even develop more. A country in hard control of all those resources. An advance military/technology sector. South Africa can extract wealth from their neighbors enriching themselves while developing their neighbors.

South Africa used to be able to build nuclear power plants and now they can't even keep the power grid from collapsing. What the heck happened?!

@markbecker5951

11 ай бұрын

Same as in neighbouring Rhodesia. They got rid of the people who actually had skills.

@lonnybush5612

11 ай бұрын

Well, look at Chicago Los Angeles Sand Francisco Washington D.C. St Louis Minnesota. All the smart people left. What is left?

@Shack01

11 ай бұрын

ANC and being forced to hand our country over to communist terrorists

@gekolizzard

11 ай бұрын

The ANC happened. Corruption, tribalism and greed.

@papalegba4449

11 ай бұрын

The ANC's hate of white people and their obsession with communism is what happened. Well they don't hate all whites, the Russians they love.

What did south Africa use for lighting before candles? Electricity

@BadPiggiesGamer9

3 ай бұрын

Black power

We had nuclear weapons. Now we battle to make electricity from coal :-(

@goldenlion647

11 ай бұрын

Imagine if the ANC criminals mamaged the nukes...they would have been stolen and sold to the mafia.

I think something you're missing here is that Namibia was only _de facto_ part of South Africa but not _de jure._ In fact, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution in 1969 already, declaring that South Africa's administration of South West Africa was illegal. I assume then, that SA detonating a nuclear weapon in Namibia would NOT have been seen as being on South African territory by the international community.

@normalplayer7377

11 ай бұрын

So? The UN are hypocrites.

@thedeadlysquidward1641

11 ай бұрын

France detonated nuclear weapons in Algeria even during their rebellion of independence.

@qhayiya252

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, South Africa was really pushing the edge of what it could get away with in the International Community, seems like old habits die hard.

@darthparallax5207

11 ай бұрын

Isn't Algeria usually regarded as "the legal name of the Sahara Desert as it appears on its social security card or birth certificate" ? I mean I'm sure the Algerians didn't like it but I'd be surprised if a lot of people outside of France, England and Turkey actually.....cared?

@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis

11 ай бұрын

@@thedeadlysquidward1641 however, Algerianwas recognized as part of French domestic territory by NATO members at the time.

As a south African. I thank u very much for your interest and Knowledge about our history. I’ve started my own channel talking about South African history, but more in depth. I’ve drawn some inspiration from your videos on South Africa and Rhodesia. Just like to say thank you, for sharing our complicated history with a wider audience. It’s shame how little our newer generations have forgotten all this.

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

interesting. subscribing

@lucianogardelli10

11 ай бұрын

@@the-letter_s thank you 🙏

@lucianogardelli10

11 ай бұрын

@@SALMAN_AFRIKAN no actually I'm from Johannesburg. Why would you think I'm Dutch? Also are you south African

@ThisNinjaSays_

11 ай бұрын

@@lucianogardelli10 they should send you back to Holland.

@matthewleegovender7217

11 ай бұрын

Dawg ik he didn't jus say newer gen don't know anything they teach us this in school ? Did u not take history

My father was an engineer and was delivering parts to be tested at Pelindaba in the nuclear program. Interestingly, he said there were many French speaking scientists there, which suggests despite anti apartheid rhetoric by the French government, they were quite willing to help in the nuclear programme in secret. Israel also was a South African ally, and shared nuclear and military technology, an open secret considering that South African built a fighter jet called 'Cheetah' which was pretty much an Israeli Kfir built under licence. Another ally was Taiwan, at that stage struggling for recognition after the US a switched to recognising Communist China as the legitimate China.

@bobronsons5780

10 ай бұрын

Majority of Africa speaks french....................

@markbruce7674

10 ай бұрын

They did secret nuclear tests in cahoots with israel in the early border war years...was a bit of a niggy as the U.S picked up the test blasts that took place...

@edie9158

5 ай бұрын

How many African nuclear engineers speak French? It’s a chance that France sent nuclear specialists or South Africans were cross trained in France and understand the material better in French. South Africa was an English/Afrikaans speaking country (including the many local language), French, to my knowledge, not being one primarily adopted at the time.

@johnlamb3101

19 күн бұрын

Cheetah fighter was French Dassault Mirage! Not Israeli.

South Africa today: 🤡 South Africa in the 1900's: 🗿💪

@freeguylover

Ай бұрын

why are you in this comment section connor? go to sleep or else i will take your phone!

@fella9921

Ай бұрын

listen to your mother, Connor

Love your content but it should be noted during the battle of Cuito Cuanavale, Cuban/Angolan forces opened a new front out flanking South Africa, this lead to a call up of the 140 000 reservists in South Africa and readying of the nuclear bombs. Maybe you should look into how that possibly could have turned out if South Africa reacted with nuclear deterrence due to an exposed flank

@esoteric_mememaster

11 ай бұрын

RIP SA.

@Shack01

11 ай бұрын

whats your sources?

@esoteric_mememaster

11 ай бұрын

@@Shack01 his source is called being a boer (chad)

@Shack01

11 ай бұрын

@@esoteric_mememaster nee my maat n Boer ken sy feite ;-)

@esoteric_mememaster

11 ай бұрын

@@Shack01 ayyy

South Africa allegedly did use a nuclear weapon in a test in September 1979 in something called the Vela incident.

Love your videos man! Keep up the amazing work!😊😊😊

You are the only guy that really did your research on what really has happened in south africa i salute you

From being able to produce nukes to today not even able to generate enough electricity.

A suggestion: What if the Gaddafi's "Pan Africanism" and "Gold Dinar" plans succeeded??

@MonicaWilkerson-en9ui

Ай бұрын

Interesting

An African nuclear power.. odd Two edits: I don’t mean it the way you think I just said odd because they just gained independence and are behind on tech and I have not studied the South African Nuclear Program. Edit 2 Stop Blowing up my phone.

@masonhandforth1369

11 ай бұрын

This sounds a little bad you know. No not an African nuclear power what you said sounds a little bad.

@lukasjhdewaal8212

11 ай бұрын

The Boers are White and Their SA was part of Western civilization

@dannyarcher6370

11 ай бұрын

Different kind of Africans.

@quenguin7866

11 ай бұрын

@@masonhandforth1369 shut up

@BasedHadrian

11 ай бұрын

“African” lol cmon bruh. Sub Saharans didn’t have the wheel until recently. These are Europeans

I like this concept and would enjoy more of it

I think we all know the real reason they decided they couldn’t risk having nuked anymore

@robertkidnley93

11 ай бұрын

Why

@ovs8691

11 ай бұрын

​@@robertkidnley93 N

@wifi_soldier5076

11 ай бұрын

​@robertkidnley93 they were worried about what the new ANC government would do. (The first government after the apartheid). And judging by the current state of South Africa they were very much right....

@MrMustang13

11 ай бұрын

@@wifi_soldier5076 I was thinking that too. A correct decision indeed.

@SAOrules

11 ай бұрын

Around bl****s never relax

What if the Sino-Soviet Split became hot ?

@wearebecomedeathstar2658

11 ай бұрын

I second this idea.

@tzeentchlordoffates9268

11 ай бұрын

Third

@shzarmai

11 ай бұрын

Fourth

@archdornan8013

11 ай бұрын

Fifth

@adamhauskins6407

11 ай бұрын

I demand that it br made

So living in Zambia I would have to face the daily fear of being nuked at some point

@mehmeh1999

11 ай бұрын

Kind of like Japan and North Korea

@draculastraphouse7863

11 ай бұрын

Trust me, South Africa would be wiped from the map by the U.S and other countries if they ever did that, you have a very low risk of being nuked by them

@mehmeh1999

11 ай бұрын

@@draculastraphouse7863 North korea, Iran, Israel, Pakistan, India, China. Literally have been at odds with the US and still haven't gotten nuked.

@samkelosam7581

11 ай бұрын

​@@draculastraphouse7863 well that's because we don't have nukes anymore we civil like that not like these western countries who don't care about others and just want power

@danhobart4009

11 ай бұрын

@@draculastraphouse7863 Its only ok when america doesgenocide

What if Serbia won the Yugoslav War?

@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044

11 ай бұрын

Perhaps if the USA hadn't manipulated the conflict from beginning to end and Milosovic more of a real leader although he did handle the hyperinflation crisis in 1993 well

@craiggaulzetti2255

11 ай бұрын

they should have. the traditional ally of the Britain, France, and The United States in the Balkans- who were fighting to preserve a multi-ethnic state that did a damn commendable job of limiting national chauvinisms was betrayed, villainized, and bombed. When the dream of a Yugoslavia where all the southern slavs were empowered was finally shattered- these former allies fought to insure that the Orthodox folks who had lived in the Krajina for over five hundred years and had spent the majority of that time as the first and only line of active defense protecting with their blood all of Western Europe/Latin Christendom from Ottoman encroachment was cast as the neo-fascist "ethnic cleansers" by the West at the strong urging of a newly united Germany. Germany thought it was wonderful that Slovenia and Croatia wanted to throw off the shackles of pan-slavism in favor of aligning with Germany and her western values. Unfortunately, the Germans chose to ignore that the Western values that Franjo Tudjman championed through Croatia's re-embrace of their Ustace flag, and an insane national identity that denied their Slavic heritage- and redefined themselves as "Slavic speaking Aryans", and a renewed desire to rid Croatian territory of every single Serbian man woman and child- mostly completing Ante Pavelic's task of killing a third, driving a third out of the Croatian State and converting a third to Catholicism- was the Western Values of a United Germany circa 1942 not 1992. Actually, the SS objected officially on several occassions to the brutality and ethnic cleansing of the Croats in the forties. The Germany of the 1990s applauded the same efforts and through diplomacy and military aid- and sanctions and bombs on Serbia- Croatia did ethnically cleanse the Krajina of the Serbs who had lived there since the Hapsburgs invited them to after the occupation of Serbia by the Ottomans and the loss at the Battle of Kosovo. Anyway- it was shameful not that the US supported the Fascists and the violent break up of a civilized European multi-ethnic state that had been a force for tolerance, peace and stability throughout the post war era- but that they were able to turn the entire equation around in the eyes of the public and the international community. Serbia was the ultranationalist country with irredentist claims on these poor new countries who had just been trying to throw off the treacherous yoke of Serbian domination- a yoke so treacherous- it actually broke up Serbia into three smaller autonomous regions- never let Serbs be the largest group in Parliment, the Military, or any other National Institution. And while Hungarians in Vojvodina got autonomy within Serbia- and the Albanians had their own fiefdom in Kosovo where Serbs literally could not hold public office, state jobs, or receive any state benefits- South Serbia was just wholesale re-imagined as a distinct "Macedonian" nation no longer identifying as Serb- and Serbo-Croat speaking Muslims- who had always identified as fellow yugoslavs were also to imagine and grow a new Bosniak Muslim National identity. So Serbia was not dominant at all- Serb populations in the Krajina had no autonomy within Croatia and Serbs in Bosnia despite inhabiting 70% of the land and being equal in population numbers to the self described "Bosniak Muslims" had no role in the Muslim dominated Bosnia-Herzegovinian local government and civil service.

@carlosvalerochavez3045

11 ай бұрын

Everyone who isn't a serb: *chuckles* i'm in danger

My grandpa worked with the nuclear weapons at A.E.K. Back then, he had to sign papers swearing he wouldn't ever speak of it, but nowadays, he would sometimes speak of it. The only reason South Africa gave up their nuclear weapons is because ever since the country fell into the wrong hands in 1994, the A.E.K. stopped everything. I can't imagine what would've happened if nuclear weapons fell into the hands of you know who.

what if the visigothic kingdom survived

@erichtomanek4739

11 ай бұрын

And the Alan/Vandal kingdom of North Africa.

@jameswallace2598

11 ай бұрын

YES

@craiggaulzetti2255

11 ай бұрын

It did! The King of Sweden is officially the King of the Swedes and the VIsigoths

@90skidcultist

10 ай бұрын

🤢

What if Queen Elizabeth the First of England married Ivan the Terrible of Russia

@pooletrainboy

11 ай бұрын

The Catholics would have been well and truly screwed.

1:40 Love how interchangeable the situation of South Africa and Israel are and how you didn't hessitated to make the correlation.

@boomgoesdynamite4177

11 ай бұрын

Well wrong, since arabs are not the natives. And Jews are the majority in their own country. Arabs literally colonized the middle east. Israel's nukes exist to deter Arab nations. And they had no NATO guarantees, unlike colonizing europeans who had daddy US nuclear umbrella. In SA blacks were alien migrants in their own country. So no it isnt the same. No one would call millions of immigrants moving to the US as settlers, yeah? Is Obama a settler? How about ukrainian refugees?

@francogiobbimontesanti3826

11 ай бұрын

It’s really not tho. South Africa was straight up colonized, Israelis started moving in by just immigrating legally under ottoman rule and buying up land. Arabs attacked Israeli first and promised to literally push them into the sea, black South Africans never tried to genocide the white population during the apartheid years. Black South African leaders preached for equality, Arabs peached for the destruction of Israel. Israeli Arabs can vote and be elected that was never the case under apartheid rule for black people. Hamas shoot missiles at Israel almost every month, Nelson Mandela, tho violent in the early days preacher for non violence and peaceful protests.

@soorejsubramanian3393

11 ай бұрын

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 you are stupid by the time whites landed on south africa the native blacks were killed by the zulus

@Voidy123

11 ай бұрын

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 there was also no black genocide under apartheid

@makteko

10 ай бұрын

@@Voidy123 Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. 🙂

This video got me thinking about the first Robocop (1987) film. They had a news real that talked about the "besieged city-state of Pretoria" and the ruling "white government's" willingness to use a neutron bomb to defend itself.

@richardthompson5810

11 ай бұрын

Great movie, by the way.. Ironically, the previous reigimes of South Africa and Rhodesia handed over power instead of fighting to the bitter end, whereas Mugabe's Zanu PF went full 'nuclear', virtually destroying Zimbabwe when threatened by democratic winds of change, and the ANC have ground SA down slowly with their corruption, looting and criminal destructive ways before even being threatened at the polls.

Idea for possible next video: What if the Island of Sodor was actually real?

@englishtwister

Ай бұрын

Considering where natural gas has been found in the last two decades, it would be a pretty wealthy nation state.

2:20 TF2 sound effects? Hell yeah! I knew you were a man of culture, Z.

What if Algeria remained French?

@nicbahtin4774

11 ай бұрын

What if France remained French lol

@metal_pipe9764

11 ай бұрын

What if France was algerian?

@kentuckyfriededgar

11 ай бұрын

@@metal_pipe9764 it alredy is

@TheTophatCheeseyo

11 ай бұрын

What lf France was real?

@Alex-jp9fj

11 ай бұрын

Mine

The soviets had no end of anxiety about whether or not South Africa might use its nukes. It is my belief that whatever the policy was for nuclear weapon use, it was kept secret to the very highest level only, otherwise the soviets would have known about it, likely through their highly-placed spy in Simonstown. As it turned out, the general understanding was that nuclear weapons would only be used in a defensive capacity in the event of a massive-scale military ground attack, which we were going to lose. The potential use was envisioned to be tactical and based at ground forces only. The effect would have been of relatively small tactical impact, but of huge psychological impact. There are several major reasons why it never would have and hardly could have been used at any cities. Even then, the use was extremely unlikely. When president PW Botha was asked privately years later whether he would have authorized nuclear attack, his answer was, "of course not...!" It was meant to be a deterrent of more intensified Soviet-led military attack. In that purpose nuclear deterrence proved to be entirely effective. He pulled the ultimate bluff and it worked. If the nukes had been used, however, it would have been in the hour of dire emergency only - as an act of desperate military self-preservation to defend against overwhelming attack. The number of potential scenarios that arise from this are legion, and all of them point to dramatic destabilization of internal politics, and international power balances. The Soviet Union would have had to very quickly decide whether they would act in kind, and doing so would have made little sense. Meawhile, the western allies would have been forced to warn strongly of combined intervention if the Soviet Union would use nuclear weapons to counter. the SA response. In that moment, the world would have been poised at the brink of WW3 at the least, and a nuclear holocaust at the worst. All things considered, I don't think the parties would have gone that far. South Africa was important to Soviet imperialism - but not that important. Exactly what would have happened would have depended heavily on the exact time of the nuclear weapon use. My guess is that in general, the military onslaught against South Africa would have very quickly cooled back into a static bush war as before, and then fizzled out completely when the Berlin Wall came down. De Klerk would probably then never have become president, and the surrender to Marxist revolutionaries would not have taken place as it did. South Africa would have remained under heavy sanctions for a few years, but this too, would have ebbed away as the long-term plan of president Botha's commitment to gradual transformation into a federal South African state, relatively free of conventional apartheid would have come into effect. Mandela would have eventually died in prison, or more likely, would have been released on a very short leash where he could not have much of an impact in directing socialist activity and insurrection. Without Soviet backing for the Marxist revolutionaries in South Africa after the end of the Cold War, the freedom struggle would have become less of a state capture by political gangsters, and more of a constructive political process aimed at the bonafide normalization of race relations.

@richardwebb9532

11 ай бұрын

Excellent take 🇿🇦👍🍻💯

Something I had always wondered

If we presued such options I wouldnt be watching this on generator power.

We're not a "settler" population, we've been here for generations. We'd still be settlers if Europe considered us locals

@user-gd6se5qb9c

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for that. I’ve had to explain it to people so many times I couldn’t count. I really appreciate the help.

First off, the nuclear option was defensive. Not offensive. This will make more sense if you know more about the H2. As to the ballistic missile delivery system, there is a example in the Airforce Museum in Pretoria.

@Warsie

6 ай бұрын

Yea wasn't the whole point to develop the nuclear weapon so that if the Apartheid government felt they were collapsing they would detonate it in a remote area and request the UN intervene because you know power with nukes collapsing?

Would it be possible to get a video about if Liberia had remained a US Territory (or perhaps even gained statehood)?

@frostnova8300

11 ай бұрын

Yes

@robertortiz-wilson1588

11 ай бұрын

That would be interesting, but I’m more interested in Liberia carefully developing itself to the point of being able to expand its borders. How far did they theoretically reach given the best possible scenarios?

@nicklibby3784

11 ай бұрын

​@@mmking9517 interesting. Isn't it ironic the south planned on a white majority and now in 2023 the south is the most black populated area in the USA? and is majority black in many areas even in some big cities like Atlanta and the south is also one of the most diverse areas too with lots of Latin American immigrants. Sounds like the south's plan miserably failed and did the complete opposite of what they wanted because the south is now the most black region in the USA by far with nowhere else coming even close.

@castronator-mu3ye

10 ай бұрын

The US dont even accept Puerto Rico, cant ever imagine them accepting Liberia, a country they bought just to keep that people far from them.

Very well researched. They don't teach what you have said here in South African schools anymore... food for thought

Having lived through the later years of apartheid, i can tell you that Nukes or not, SA could no longer stand the increasing trade embargos and sanctions. Every import was costing us more and every expert was under valued. The Nationalist government did not pursue a "peaceful" transition but rather mitigated a chaotic collapse as inflation was out of control and the economy was dying. South African attempts to secure fuel resources had failed and none of the oil companies were allowed to prospect under the embargos. We did develop a way to turn Coal into a type of crude oil that could be used for the manufacture of fuel, but it was not completely viable. I would be interested in an alternate history that see the defeat of the National Party and it's fascist ideals.

@Bokfanlettucelip

11 ай бұрын

Bullshit. A government that wants to hold onto power will do so in spite of deteriorating civil society. Just look at Syria, North Korea and Iran. Things can get really bad and they can still cling to power. SA could perhaps not have kept its first world elements but the Mats could have clung to power for as long as they wanted to.

@Bokfanlettucelip

11 ай бұрын

Nats. Not mats.

@goldenlion647

11 ай бұрын

Iran supplied 2/3's of our fuel, Sasol produced 1/3 of the rest. i think economically it was far more sustainable and robust than it has been in the last 29 years under the ANC, we won't last another 6 months without total collapse.

@yalemokgoba378

11 ай бұрын

@@goldenlion647 Nostalgia always makes the past seem better , chill bru

@goldenlion647

11 ай бұрын

@@yalemokgoba378 No i think reality does. Relax in your slax.

Still be better than the alternative.

@drazam6608

11 ай бұрын

​@@martinvyslouzil2163 yes

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

@@martinvyslouzil2163 i'd rather live in an irradiated, yet functional society than a decaying, failed state.

@hazeshi6779

11 ай бұрын

...an irradiated state would not be functional l!

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

@@hazeshi6779 Japan, Ukraine, and the US sure seemed to function well enough.

@hazeshi6779

11 ай бұрын

@s dude Nevada is like 90% craters, and Japan lost two cities, and those were old school baby nukes.

Cool video topic

In this timeline, I imagine there'd be a lot of pro afrikaners in similar vain to pro israelites of our own time in all likelihood... pro afrikaners were a notable part of the US populace during the 20th century. This opens the door for South Africa to be US aligned in the 21st century.

@lu881

11 ай бұрын

Pro-Afrikaner, as opposed to Pro-democratic, Pro-human rights, Pro-ending Apartheid?

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

hmm, if a pro-Israeli is a Zionist, what is a pro-Afrikaner?

@lu881

11 ай бұрын

@@the-letter_s We don't live in an alternate universe where such a name could've existed, so thankfully I say, "dunno 😕🤷"

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

@@lu881 uh, yeah, that's what a hypothetical is. i was thinking about what that would be called, so i guess i worded my last comment poorly- "what _would_ a pro-Afrikaner be called?"

@ThighErda

11 ай бұрын

@@the-letter_s Afrikaners are the dutch people in south africa IIRC

Looks interesting alternate timeline, wish it was real😸

Hmmm, I wonder where I've seen this general video topic before...

To mark the one-year Anniversary, you should do a what-if of that German monarchist coup a few months back.

@nikostsiantas4060

11 ай бұрын

Bro that was a joke it didn't have any support by neither the military nor any political parties

@newenglandexpansionistsoci2613

11 ай бұрын

@@nikostsiantas4060 well then make it goofy. Have fun with it. Like possible history’s parody to Whatifaltthis borders of the 22nd century. And besides, it wouldn’t take much to change this scenario. Like prolonged gunfight. They don’t have to WIN to dramatically change the political landscape.

@TheGamingMotionTGM

11 ай бұрын

@@newenglandexpansionistsoci2613 It's a bit hard to find examples for that. 20 years of Afghanistan occupation by 9/11 and WW1 breakout by Gavrilo Princip both results in a win action. Although Princip and the plane hijackers didn't live to see the butterfly effect of their doing, the changing of political landscape is more likely if the mission is successful.

The novel vortex by Larry bond had one use of nuclear weapon

oh hell yeah now we’re talking

I like that you said “settler” and not “colonists” because as we know a place has to be occupied for it to be colonized.

There's a Larry Bond book with this exact scenario

This shade some background on the Newsbreak clip from Robocop. However Robocop clip had a French made Neutron Bomb.

"Vorster" is pronounced as "Forster". And in "Botha" the "TH" is pronounced as "T". And the "o" is pronounced like "oo" in the word "poor". Pls search online how to pronounce names first. But I appreciate how many South Africa videos you make.

As a South African myself I think that this is probably the most accurate scenario of what would’va happened

*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if America had used nukes in Vietnam?

@photlam9769

11 ай бұрын

World's biggest forest fire

@poil8351

10 ай бұрын

well nixon wanted to at dien bien phu, but churchill stopped that from happening.

The time, resources and SA lives saved by this action could have resulted in a consolidation of minority rule throughout SA and Rhodesia. How would the rebel factions fight if they knew victory would come hand in hand with their destruction. If the South African government convinced the west they were an ally like Israel did. The peace and time they bought themselves could have allowed them to emerge back into mainstream economics like Israel after the Yom Kippur War. Israel didn’t use nukes but they were very aggressive in their defence. Killing as many as the as the Nuke attack on Nagasaki. I think if they did use a Nuke they would be more like Israel today and less like Rhodesia. Possibly creating more enclaves like Lesotho and Swaziland.

@Warsie

6 ай бұрын

The Soviet Union and China can just turn up the spigot on weapons to the ANC etc lol

You're alternate history series of Tsar Nicholas has inspired me to make alternate history series myself one being the German Japanese empire and the other with Edward the third of England his mother and the Hundred Years War with two big differences discovery of America and early Protestant Reformation And still debating on this if it would be somewhat like one of the big things Game of Thrones is known for I want you to guess what that is😅 between Edward and Isabella but I'm still thinking about it

@deuslaudetur2451

11 ай бұрын

They have the power of God and anime

I think it’s safe to say if the south African government decided to keep it’s nuclear power, there wouldn’t be a south africa today and we most likely would have more Chernobyl situations. The south african government can’t even provide the basics, now imagine them needing to upkeep and improve a nuclear facility🤣It was a good idea of them to end the nuclear program…

@L0rd0fLight1

10 ай бұрын

to very different governments, the South Africa before apartheid is not the same as after

If South Africa used Nukes then they would probably have been in Cairo in 40 days as the old joke goes

I read on Encyclopedia Astronautica, something about a possible space program to go alongside the nukes?

Certain small regions of SA could really do with though back right now.

You discord was better when before you got big but the vids are still good

Best wishes from the UK as always mate, unfortunately i cant find your Lincoln Rockwell and Malcolm X video on youtube or Bitchute. Could it be reuploaded or uplaoded somehwere else? 😊

Never rule out the fact that we still have the knowledge and ability to develope nuclear weapons. There are the selected few who are capable and they're not in or part of government.

Should never worry about a nuclear threat from South Africa, we don't even have electricity here and won't be able to launch nukes

I dont know who you are and if you will ever read this but thank you, this was an amazing video.

Question: Do citizens of the USA regard themselves as a settler population? If the distinction is applied to white South Africans and thereby imply that citizens born in the country are distinct from citizens that are decended from indigenous populations, would it not call into question the status of similarly settler derived populations of the USA as regards their rights to be regarded as citizens of their republic? Interesting question don’t you think? Is it merely a matter of the numbers? How would settlers in the USA justify their claims to residency of a the territory of North America? White a South Africans conceded rule to incorporate themselves into a new republic. If it is to be morally judged, then the settler population of the USA should do the same? Would they?

@bobronsons5780

10 ай бұрын

And lead to a South Africa 2.0? I don't think anyone is that stupid

@jimdenson

7 ай бұрын

Most of the Natives were killed and displaced. It has been mostly Settlers and their slaves for 200 years.

What if the rival Papacies in Avignon and Rome rather than getting resolved resulted in a permanent schism. Bonus points if the third pope also resulted in one.

Ok now listen, before they could do that... so why isnt there electricity now ?

Id love to but I'm broke AF so I'll just share and like

Man , where did you get those images of the PM/President. They look like AI of something.😂

The border war was started when the MPLA entered SWA, under UN resolution not by choice, the same UN resolution that made SA responsible for SWA also stated that one of the responsibilities was that SA not allow communism in SWA. Trust me had we had a choice we would not have sacrificed so many of our young and would rather have had them at home to stamp out the cANCer. South Africa only had three completed Nukes, and 2 empty shells that had not been completed as it was decided not to waste money on them and to hold the material till SA had managed to design a ballistic missile to carry the warhead, and SA was 8 years away from that when they stopped the entire production in preparation for handing over the country.

@yalemokgoba378

11 ай бұрын

The Nats should have never won the elections.

South Africa does a belka.

It's hard to say what might have been different with different political parties. That's many tiny moving parts with lots of randomness from individuals. I think that the general fear of nukes as existential environmental hazards would have made people...... More afraid than angry. They'd criminalize it and sanction the hell out of South Africa and possibly employ conventional war to make a big show of "how to use a bunch of force without firing a nuke". They'd emphasize that nukes were a last resort of desperation and South Africa wasn't being conservative enough. It's possible that a lower yield weapon would more or less be "as reasonable as any war is", like that it wasn't special beyond other aggressions But I don't think most people would have viewed it that way and wouldn't want to show leniency. The manner by which Europe reached its ability to find a more stable equilibrium that is kind of successful was it previously did all the wars finding itself. I'm not sure if it's possible to expect Africa to develop like Europe while forbidding it to war like Europe did, so more series of imperialist wars trying to carve out major dynasties, large record breaking areas of control through unification and conquest, resetting borders not completely arbitrarily but....the way Europe's work actually, Combining many small states into a few large states depending on what armies and economies they're smart enough to build manage and follow..... Well, the problem is there'd be so much destruction you'd be suggesting it's okay for the winners to have a chance to eradicate the losers and take the now empty land from the dead. Thing is if we don't let them, they could say "how come Europe got to do it" "Because God didn't exist yet, and his name is the USA" would piss people off if we actually said it but.......

@darthparallax5207

11 ай бұрын

Unifying Angola Namibia Mozambique and Botswana would present...... Many many many challenges. India seems to be doing well as a strong nuclear power that is not too influenced by either the West or the Communists and has got themselves a bit of real freedom. I would suggest to South Africa that it's better to make friends with India and Brazil than with China and to be very untrusting of China. Beyond that, these things are very complicated. Hopefully the wars that decide things are good in being short and cost overall few casualties, relatively speaking. Hopefully when things bog down into protracted mistakes a solution is found to save costliness. It would be too naive to think pacifism will be enough. I will be happy, to throw out a random number, if no war ever again costs 1 million men per side. If we can keep it to 500k per side or less as a new rule, then we may believe we learned something from the World Wars: A million is never worth it, recheck the math before it gets that high. If Ukraine can reach ceasefire before 500,000 total, that would be tentatively maybe better than we thought was still possible.

One of the greatest decisions in human history. A country like South Africa has no business having nukes.

@ontjamba

11 ай бұрын

South africa was a power house. I agree today SA has no right, as they couldn't even arrange a pissup in brewery. But then, so so called " good old days" good old SA was a force to be reckoned with!

@michaelhowell2326

11 ай бұрын

@@ontjamba you and I agree 100%. Modern SA is shit show. Europeans came, turned mud into bricks and bricks into cities. Now SA is a pile of broken bricks.

What if the Kalmar Union survived?

South Africa could probably do very well as an isolated nation. They had thriving agriculture when the minority was ruling.

@bhongospelman5655

11 ай бұрын

Are you forgetting the fact that they pretty much had a slave labour force to work with? 😅

@danhobart4009

11 ай бұрын

@@bhongospelman5655 Today they are just using Zimbabweans, Malawians ect. like you described above. Whats changed, that you can be lazy and have 15 kids and live off of their social grants now?

@bhongospelman5655

11 ай бұрын

@@danhobart4009 😂🤦🏾‍♂️You're an idiot...all the Zimbabweans and Malawians don't make up the millions that the apartheid government had in labour...as for the social grants the government gives out...I completely agree on that front...it insentivizes people to be lazy and I don't agree with it

@ze_kangz932

20 күн бұрын

​@@danhobart4009Professional gaslighters

Please do not refer to us as "settler populations". A settler is one who moves from one country to settle in another. You can't be a settler if you were born in the place you reside. You are engaging in the same ideological discrimination as those who deny us equal rights today. By those standards, the Bantus themselves are "settler populations." Do you refer to pretty much all Americans and Canadians of the 20th century as "settler populations"?

@Perrirodan1

11 ай бұрын

You confuse immigrant and settler. An immigrant moves from one country to another. A settler moves to a wild land and builds everything from scratch.

@erichtomanek4739

11 ай бұрын

You are correct. Also I find it interesting that historians/archeologists call the spread of Bantus from the borderlands of today's Nigeria and Cameroon as the "Bantu Expansion". No. It was an Invasion, Occupation and Ethnic Cleansing of: Pygmies from much of their rain forests and Bushmen (San, Khoi etc) from much of eastern and southern Africa.

@ktheterkuceder6825

11 ай бұрын

​@@erichtomanek4739that is what an expansion is.

@ktheterkuceder6825

11 ай бұрын

You are a settler though. Did you just pop up from nowhere? No.

@dannyarcher6370

11 ай бұрын

@@ktheterkuceder6825 The vast majority of atoms used to construct me in the womb were sourced from South African resources. So, no. I didn't just pop up from nowhere. Have you heard of the conservation of mass and energy?

Now look where we are with this ANC government

The only problem with your hypothesis is that South West Africa was never a part of South Africa. South Africa did have an enclave in SWA called Walfis Bay, but SWA itself was only administered by SA. Therefore, as far as the UN is concerned, any atomic bomb detonation in SWA would NOT be on South African soil unless it was Walfis Bay. Walfis Bay was ceded to Namibia by the ANC led government. Back in the 1980's us South Africans knew Israel had helped SA develop its nuclear capability. It was an open secret. I always thought any nuclear detonation would take place on Angolan soil, preferably on or near the largest Cuban build-up near the border of SWA, or Luanda as it is the main port of Angola and its capital city. FW de Klerk brought about a referendum in 1989 where a majority of white South Africans voted for free elections. Everybody seems to forget that little fact. I was in the SADF at the time of the referendum. Most South West African soldiers were a part of the SWA Territorial Forces, often abbreviated to SWATF, although an individual could choose to serve in the SADF as a volunteer. I am sorry to burst your bubble on what I considered a balanced and thoughtful presentation. One more thing, until the collapse of the Warsaw Pact beginning in 1990, South Africa had subtle or covert protection from the USA and Great Britain. There are/were high-ranking SADF soldiers who maintain that SA invaded Angola in 1974 at the behest of the USA. The US always got the pick of Soviet technology captured by SADF and Unita forces, especially SAM systems. Once the threat of the Soviet Union began dissolving, so to did South Africa's foreign covert support.

What if the Hundred Years War never happened?

What a beautiful sequence of events this could have caused.

What if Elon Musk was president of South Africa😅

@johanweakley2658

11 ай бұрын

Now you're talking.

@matthiuskoenig3378

11 ай бұрын

Twitter is doing alot better under musk than under its previous owners. But running a country is not the same thing.

@erichtomanek4739

11 ай бұрын

Brain chips for everyone. Yikes!

@nikostsiantas4060

11 ай бұрын

​​@@martinvyslouzil2163 like it ain't now

@ah1rooivalk

11 ай бұрын

They will take his land.

Had South Africa used nukes in the 1970's, it would have made Israel's use of nukes against Iran or in Lebanon and Syria much more likely.

What if ted kaczynski entered politics

@subject_7

11 ай бұрын

😂 THIS!!! Awesome topic. I have always wondered so myself.

@codenameulp1495

11 ай бұрын

Mr. Z actually did a vid on that back in 2018 or 2019. It used to be on his Bitchute channel then it was deleted. Wish I had downloaded it.

@ImperatorFreedomFries

11 ай бұрын

@@codenameulp1495 I remember it faintly. I was thinking I imagined it honestly

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

his ratings would probably _go up in smoke_

South Africa was very based, and they should've used the literal "Nuclear option".

Your map of South Africa there, has Namibia included. Namibia became independent of South Africa in 1990

I can see a conscription like Vietnam being implemented

@rizaradri316

11 ай бұрын

Conscription is already a thing in apartheid South Africa, mostly for self-defense. However I can see it's implementation could more "severe".

As an Israeli i support the what used to be based south Africa right to own nuclear weapons.

@ashleyoasis7948

11 ай бұрын

Of course you do ur ab apartheid state to bad you did nothing and stayed silent when they feel apart Jew and based don’t go together

@nicbahtin4774

11 ай бұрын

@@ashleyoasis7948 It is when believe in the message of Rabbi Kahana

@loganwillman7300

11 ай бұрын

​@Ashley Oasis I find it funny how the hate for the current state of Israel's aggressions (despite warranted) devolves into marginal to blatant antisemitism.

@lu881

11 ай бұрын

All Israelis are the descendants of the Israelites that disobeyed God, and we're left to wander the desert for 40 years. Only those Israelis who descended from those punished by God, can behave in the heinous behaviour that you Israelis are behaving. You are therefore no longer Israeli, but a _"Wandering Jew"_ . He who disobeys God, for his own sick benefit.

@ashleyoasis7948

11 ай бұрын

@@loganwillman7300 becuse Isreal is a product of ur troubal in Europe you know what since ur the only western democracy go let Germany give you land western support for Isreal is anti Semitic in itself you be a state just not near us.also the f the Middle East is ur land why a need to westernise it.

Your facts are incorrect, Koeberg only started construction in 1976 and was commissioned in the 80's (1984 I think). Safari-1 is a test reactor given to SA by the US via the Atoms for Peace initiative in the 60's (1965) and I am sure it was in exchange for more Uranium (and other resources). If anything Safari-1 was used to develop enriched uranium techniques together with Israel. Although an official test was never carried out there is the Vela incident.

@2LV2

11 ай бұрын

Does the world realise how much of the uranium in the US nuclear arsenal came out of the South Africa?

@thehub3145

11 ай бұрын

as a Namibian this is the comment i was looking for......There is no history whatso ever of a Nuke being dropped in namibia

We got rid of it before the ememy took over.

@robertvandervelde60

11 ай бұрын

I've heard that 3 Nukes were not dismantled and are lurking around, just saying

This is an interesting alternate history had the South African bomb in this scenario been dropped on a military target. The world would have condemned the use of nuclear weapons and sanctions against South Africa would have greatly increased, but I could see a version of your outcome playing out. But the use of a nuclear weapon against a civilian target would have very quickly led to the downfall of the South African government. The world would have been united in condemnation, creating a total embargo and blockade against South Africa, leading to the destruction of its economy in short order. South Africa would have fractured, with the Whites and Coloured keeping the Western Cape, while the rest of what had been South Africa being devastated by civil war for decades to come. I don't know what the international laws were back then, but surely those who authorized this attack would have been arrested and trialled by the international community.

What if Germany was never split into West and East?

@erichtomanek4739

11 ай бұрын

What if indigenous Germans from East Baltic, East Prussia, West Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia, Sudetenland, Transylvania and Volga River weren't ethnically cleansed after WW2 from their homes where they had lived for centuries or millennia?

@erichtomanek4739

11 ай бұрын

What if Alsace was allowed to vote to join either Germany or france, just as Saarland?

Rhodesia never dies❤

@pipipupu5104

2 ай бұрын

It died long ago. Only place where it exist is 4 chan.

@neimenovani7256

2 ай бұрын

@@pipipupu5104 ok that is funny

5:22 "That was your city you fucking barbarian"

NATO was shifting extra hush hush unaccounted for ICBMs

it was under guidance of PW Botha @Monsieur Z

If South Africa discovered oil it's about to get freedom🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@dannyarcher6370

11 ай бұрын

We just did, thank god. South Africa could use a little freedom and democracy right now.

@wilberdebeer4696

11 ай бұрын

We did more than a decade ago.

Well after the US Russia Britain France and China why shouldn't the South Africans be next?

You never end on a bloody cheery note do you Fellas! Though the question is would there be much to actually Nuke!??

As an South African, it was just to show Whe Can Di It.

Bottom line was if the cubans crossed the kaplyn, a Device whould have being tested and 48hrs afterwards if they did not withdraw we whould have nuked Luanda and Havanha no question. We were already launching our own mini,satellites at that stage so had the capability to launch balistic warheads.

wow that court ststement is a exercise in word salad.

What if Britain managed to colonize Argentina?

@ToastieBRRRN

11 ай бұрын

What part? Like Patagonia or during the brief occupation Buenos Aires during the Napoleonic wars?

@TheHatersarebad

11 ай бұрын

@@ToastieBRRRN I want all of Argentina in British hands

@franciscodelaespriella7120

11 ай бұрын

they would have more world cups

@adamrogowski2748

11 ай бұрын

I think whatifalthist did that scenario when he still did alternate history

@the-letter_s

11 ай бұрын

Argentina would be even less white than it already is