I like the tone of this. I am a Protestant that has increasing respecting the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches for their connections to the traditions of the past. I like the uniting tone of this video.

@gunstar168

26 күн бұрын

Don't, as they teach a different Gospel than the one that you have supposedly trusted in: one that teaches that Jesus alone is not the Saviour (contrary to the Apostles, the New Testament, in verses including John 14:6, John 10:9, and John 11:25-26), who is a Person (1 Timothy 2:5) and not a religion/church, and rather a religion/church is the saviour. Further, no, they don't believe what the Church Fathers taught but simply keep repeating that to fool unaware people. For example, the great defender of the Trinity, Athanasius, called it heresy to NOT trust in GOD'S words alone (Sola Scriptura), such as when he said: Athanasius of Alexandria (Athanasius, De Synodis 6.): “Vainly then do they run about with the pretext that they have demanded Councils for the faith’s sake; for divine Scripture is SUFFICIENT above ALL things; but if a Council be needed on the point, there are the proceedings of the Fathers, for the Nicene Bishops did not neglect this matter, but stated the doctrine so exactly, that persons reading their words honestly, cannot but be reminded by them of the religion towards Christ announced in divine Scripture.”

@doctorbrash5068

26 күн бұрын

Roman Catholicism is basically European paganism and early Christian writings combined. That’s how you get goddess worship cults turned into Marianism. Also, pagan Homer and Virgil gave Catholicism its weird ideas about the underworld and communing with the souls of the dead people.

@gunstar168

26 күн бұрын

@@doctorbrash5068 That's what happens when you rage at God's unchanging words and then profess you and your friends to be wise, instead: Romans 1:20-22. God speed, fellow saint, and thank you for reaching out to these confused souls (many of which are lost, unsaved).

@doctorbrash5068

25 күн бұрын

@@gunstar168I can’t help it if you are irritated by the truth. Instead of addressing Roman Catholicism’s appropriation of pre-Christian pagan culture and literature you’re quoting Bible at me to make a vague point.

@gunstar168

25 күн бұрын

​@@doctorbrash5068 No, I'm emphasizing what your last comment with those verses. That is, Roman Catholicism ragefully rejects the eternal Bible for rejecting religion as salvific and for proclaiming Jesus as Saviour alone, replacing it with works of their own hands (aka, Romans 1:20-22). Sorry for the misunderstanding, brother.

Thank you so much for saying nice things about different types of Christians.

As a Catholic, thank you for discussing some of the positives you see about our Church. If you’ve any questions, please ask ❤️

@NP-vk8de

Ай бұрын

The favourite pastime of the RCC is navel-gazing!

@gunstar168

26 күн бұрын

Why do you deny the Door and Saviour (John 10:9, John 14:6, John 3:16), who is a Person (1 Timothy 2:5) and not a religion/church, in favor of a different "gospel" that replaces Christ by teaching that a religion saves you?

Thank you so much for your ministry, it’s greatly appreciated. ❤

Loved listening to this, such respect in your delivery.

@TheTheologicalTavern

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much! All glory to God!

I appreciate what you said about the monastic traditions in the Catholic and Orthodox faiths. I wish it was more prevalent in the Protestant and Anabaptist traditions. My attraction to a monastic existence almost was enough of a draw for me to convert to Catholicism. Almost.

@jamersbazuka8055

Ай бұрын

I'm of similar mind.

@NP-vk8de

Ай бұрын

But, as Dr. Gavin Ortlund’s states Catholics “obscure or additions” to the gospel, and that is a major stumbling block for unity.

@SanctusPaulus1962

Ай бұрын

@@NP-vk8de What "additions" to the gospels have been made by Catholics?

@alhilford2345

Ай бұрын

​@@NP-vk8de: ..except for the fact that Catholics do not add anything to the Gospels.

@NP-vk8de

Ай бұрын

@@SanctusPaulus1962 every thing about saints/feast days, Jesus very seldom or rarely gets any air time. Just listen sometimes, how often is Jesus death and resurrection mentioned in a normal Catholic service? Be honest!

Very well spoken brother. And that is who u are, a brother in Christ who shares with me in Christ's longing for His disciples to be one as He and the Father are one.

I like the fact you’re trying to foster unity in the church. It’s unfortunate we have all this division and I think sometimes we get too lost in it. It’s nice to find someone who is very charitable and polite

I'm glad to hear you building up everyone. I don't like to hear this sludge about they are wrong we're right nonsense. Every knee will bow. Anyways keep up the faith and God bless.

Catholicism is NOT a denomination. It is the Church established by Christ in 33 AD.

@alhilford2345

Ай бұрын

Amen!

@soteriology400

Ай бұрын

Roman Catholicism is a hybrid between Jesus and Eusebius. Eusebius did a lot of rewriting of history, such as “church fathers”. Eusebius tried to define the “orthodox” view of the relationship between church and state for Constantine. The church Christ founded, is spiritual, 1 John 5:1.

@aussierob7177

Ай бұрын

@@soteriology400 The Church Christ founded is the Body of Christ.

@soteriology400

Ай бұрын

@@aussierob7177Amen.

@billybobwombat2231

Ай бұрын

Yeh nah, it's a Roman appropriation of the religion to use it to further their desires to control people to extract their energies

Catholic lay memeber can join the various monastic orders as tertiaries or third order religious who follow the religious order's religious practices and develop their charisms. The only difference is that they do not take the vow of celibacy and poverty.

What about oriental orthodox ?

@newglof9558

Ай бұрын

"I love how you reject the Council of Chalcedon"

Gee whiz, I like the theme of this video trying to unite our belief in Christ and maybe try to find our common ground between our faiths but inherently people always run to their doctrine to try and squash the faith of another. It has to be the nature of us that simply can't just try to understand why some faith traditions follow certain practices and learn from it. I left Catholicism in my early 20's and joined the Church of Christ in the reformation movement. I learned a lot and like what I've learned but I do follow Bishop Barron from the Catholic tradition and Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel from the Assyrian Orthodox Church. I think you're missing so much rich and historical teachings when you only hear from your own doctrine. I can't help but feel so much closer to my Catholic and Orthodox brothers in Christ after hearing from those Bishops. Our battle isn't with our fellow believers and "how they must believe!" it's with our own individual battle of doing right or wrong in our hearts and how we follow Christ to deal with one another. It's easy to just stick to your doctrine and call the fellow believer a heretic but the only thing you're doing is "winning" your own argument that you can't claim victory.

There are many mysteries in the Church. As a Catholic we have over two thousand years of teachings from monks, nuns and hermits and scholars. The mysteries include the Trinity, the virgin birth, the Eucharist and most of all the Resurrection. No matter how much talking we do, it is the Holy Spirit and the Grace of God that we need to experience this mystery. Jesus I trust in you..🙏

We do know how the wafer becomes Jesus. By the prayers of a validity ordained priests who say the words of the Gospel.

I would love to hear your opinion on the baptists church

@TheTheologicalTavern

Ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for your comment! I definitely may do a video going into specific Protestant denominations!

@jesuskarenramos3663

Ай бұрын

I know I was not asked, but if may add. Some things I like about Baptist (Not all Baptist) is the emphasis on man and woman attire (modesty), behaviour and church presentation as visiting Christ the king. Not letting members forget that Baptism is very necessary and hyms ( I also like modern and classical faith based music).

I find that just because you “study” the Bible doesn’t mean you understand it. Evangelicals in particular lack a proper respect for how challenging understanding the Bible can be and as a result lose massive amounts of context.

@TheTheologicalTavern

Ай бұрын

Hey, thank you for commenting and opening the dialogue between us. While that’s true in some cases, it’s not true in all of them. Additionally, while there’s a time and place for all discussions, I don’t think this was the time/place for those comments. Each branch of Christianity that I talked about has its own “failures” as it were - areas where the fallible humans who are in those institutions have done wrong or misguided others. Discussing those shortcomings, however, wasn’t the point of this video. Rather, I hoped to encourage all of Christendom and have us reflect on how we can incorporate positive elements from other branches into our own. As Scripture confesses, iron sharpens iron.

@gunstar168

26 күн бұрын

The same goes for those that call themselves "the Apostolic and unchanged Church" yet oppose what the Apostles (and even the Church Fathers) stated and have changed the Gospel (from Christ, a Person and not a religion/church (1 Timothy 2:5), being the Saviour to a religion/church being the saviour - contrary to verses including John 14:6, John 10:9, and John 10:1). Some CONTEXT: Here's Irenaeus the Church Father calling Roman Catholics (and Eastern Orthodox adherents) folklore-trusting heretics and simultaneously providing context for how to study the Bible: Irenaeus of Smyrna (ANF, Vol. I, Irenaeus, Against Heresies III.2.1, III.3.1.): "When however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and assert that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition. For they allege that the truth was not delivered by means of written documents, but viva voce (orally)…For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to ‘the perfect’ apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the churches themselves."

What I don't like about Protestantism is that they all follow Martin Luther's example. If they interpret the Bible differently to the denomination they belong to they rage against their teachers and are unruly. They break off (division) and split into another denomination (schism). This is how we ended up with over 30000 protestant denominations/sects/cults with such outrageous disparities in doctrine that there can be no possibility of unification. The Catholic concept of assenting to a teaching because of the authority of the Church is foreign to them. A Catholic would say "Where else shall we go?" John 6:68 and just keep his peace and his mouth shut and say "I believe, help my unbelief" As a result the Catholic church and Orthodox church who take a similar approach could conceivably reunite as there is very little between us in terms of differing doctrine and their doctrine has remained stable for 2000 years. Whereas the rabble of Protestantism is basically not setup psychologically to reunite in the first place given the chasm between them and their historical tendency to fracture rather than to bond. Basically the only thing which unites Protestants is that they all to one degree or another oppose the Catholic church. As for real theological differences they are poles apart on virtually every subject in scripture. Neither is there any incentive for them to reunite as most leaders of their churches would rather be a big fish in a small pond that join the Catholic church and be minnows in a large pond.

@frekigeri4317

Ай бұрын

Protestantism is a swamp and I’m very happy to be free of it. 💯 Catholic

@sethmoking

Ай бұрын

Did you ever read the old testament? Remember the parts where the church got so corrupted they had temple whores and all manner of wickedness? The saints didn't stick around and keep playing make believe. They worshipped outside. Better to be homeless and true to God than to be comfortably lost in church. The church is anot a building or a hierarchy. It's the body of all believers in Jesus Christ. While I, too, am very concerned about correct doctrine, I believe it would be better to be perfectly humble than to be perfect in one's doctrines and arrogant about it. Even the early church had doctrinal disagreements between the cities, etc.

@TheTheologicalTavern

Ай бұрын

Hey, I appreciate you commenting and opening the dialogue between us. Some of your criticisms are valid. Others are a misrepresentation of Protestantism as a whole. While there’s a time and place for all discussions, I don’t think this was the time/place for those criticisms. Each branch of Christianity that I talked about has its own “failures” as it were - areas where the fallible humans who are in those institutions have done wrong or misguided others. Discussing those shortcomings, however, wasn’t the point of this video. Rather, I hoped to encourage all of Christendom and have us reflect on how we can incorporate positive elements from other branches into our own. As Scripture confesses, iron sharpens iron.

@frekigeri4317

Ай бұрын

@@sethmoking 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat; 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice. Matthew 23:2-3 That’s not what Jesus Christ taught or exemplified.

@sethmoking

Ай бұрын

@@frekigeri4317 I don't see anywhere in the Bible where it teaches that all Christians should obey one Pope in Rome. I see, on the other hand, decentralized, autonomous churches all over in the New Testament. Each having their pros and cons and needing correction, just like today.

Roman Catholicism is basically European paganism and early Christian writings combined. That’s how you get goddess worship cults turned into Marianism. Also, pagan Homer and Virgil gave Catholicism its weird ideas about the underworld and communing with the souls of the dead people. Monastic orders were also common in pre-Christian Europe and Hindu and Buddhist cultures of India.

Studying the Bible on your own (individually or in groups) without the lens of Patristic Tradition is like studying Grey's Anatomy and proclaiming yourself a surgeon while obstinately refusing any advice or training from actual surgeons. Not everything about driving a car is in the manual. Anybody can quote the Bible, but so can the devil -- every word.

@jorgetolentino463

Ай бұрын

Especially since the training is coming down from the apostles and ultimately from Jesus himself establishing his church and handing the keys to Peter and apostles - ““Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” This is the Catholic Church - I pray we can all be one as Jesus desires!

@gunstar168

26 күн бұрын

And yet the Patristic teaching still confounds the post-Apostolic heresy of Roman Catholicism, such as Sola Scriptura being commanded by John Chrysostom: John Chrysostom (John Chrysostom, Homilies on Genesis 46-67, Homily 55.5.): "“Consider, I ask you, dearly beloved, the precision of Sacred Scripture in narrating everything CLEARLY to us, instructing us in the customs of the ancients and the extent of the ardor that marked their hospitality.”

@joshroyon9250

20 күн бұрын

​​​​@@gunstar168but WHERE is SOLA SCRIPTURA there? Did he say SCRIPTURE """ALONE"""? You're quoting him OUT OF CONTEXT. Scripture DOES NOT TEACH """EVERYTHING"" CLEARLY. Did Scriptures tell you which writing is Scripture? Can you find ANYWHERE in Scriptures the "TABLE OF CONTENTS of Scriptures?" Does the Bible tell you that the book of Hebrews or the book of James, etc. are Scriptures? Who DETERMINED the Canon of Scriptures? Was it the Bible or was it the Catholic Church thru the Councils? The phrase "Scripture narrating EVERYTHING clearly" is DIFFERENT from the phrase "Scripture ***ALONE*** narrating EVERYTHING clearly". Adding the word ***ALONE*** gives the latter phrase a meaning DIFFERENT than the former. So please STOP MISQUOTING Chrysostom. That's NOT what he meant on your quotation from him. If the Catholic Church is heretical, then you should NOT be using the Bible since it was COMPILED by these heretical church.

While I understand what you mean by protestants’ emphasis on evangelism, I would have to say that you are misrepresenting the term of evangelism there. You could have used a better example for their focus, but I still feel that almost every instance of evangelism is a more individually driven action among protestants and a more top down driven decision by Catholics. The Catholic Church, in my opinion, sets the standard for evangelism and has brought the faith to every continent. Catholics have uniquely been the first and most dominant evangelizing denomination.

@gunstar168

26 күн бұрын

You're referring to proselytizing, not evangelism. The RCC was making converts to a religion (Matthew 23:15), not proclaiming the Gospel/Evangelion/GOOD News: that Jesus Christ (a Person, not a religion/church) is the Saviour of every sinner that trusts HIM (a Person, not a religion/church: 1 Timothy 2:5, John 3:16, John 10:9, John 14:6, John 10:1).

@Laurelin70

23 күн бұрын

@@gunstar168 Why don't you go and educate yourself about the RCC, before speaking. Because the RCC you talk abou is NOT the RCC I was raised into.

The Catholic Church was instituted by Christ. She's got everything right.

@doctorbrash5068

26 күн бұрын

Roman Catholicism is basically European paganism and early Christian writings combined. That’s how you get goddess worship cults turned into Marianism. Also, pagan Homer and Virgil gave Catholicism it’s weird ideas about the underworld and communing with the souls of the dead people.

I would say the propensity to study the Bible is the weakness in protestantism (among many others). All of the major theological errors I grew up believing as a protestant baptist were rooted in the belief the study of the Bible came accompanied with understanding. The Bible is hard to understand. Protestant won't admit that. I agree they're very good at guoting scripture without understanding and context.

@thes6550

Ай бұрын

And the weakness of Catholicism is the focus on tradition. Often you find that traditions within the Catholic church will regularly conflict with each other. Many Catholics have minimal knowledge of their own theological history, which is sad considering how much they profess to care about such.

@tylerminix2028

Ай бұрын

@@thes6550 as you've pointed out, I agree the weakness is a lack of knowledge of tradition and not the traditions themselves.

@SanctusPaulus1962

Ай бұрын

@@thes6550 Which traditions of Catholicism contradict with each other? Also, many Catholics may have minimal knowledge of the theological history of Catholicism, but I don't see how that is a weakness of Catholicism itself. Most protestants don't even know when the reformation took place, let alone the history of the Church before Luther - and yet I'd never use their ignorance as a criticism against protestant theology itself, because that makes no sense...

@thes6550

Ай бұрын

@@tylerminix2028 Oh there's plenty of weakness in the traditions themselves. Many times the traditions have changed and they sometimes outright contradict other teachings previously espoused. Blind following of "tradition" has always been a huge weakness in Catholicism.

@thes6550

Ай бұрын

@@SanctusPaulus1962 Look at the different councils of the Catholic church and tell me how many of those still hold as true for the church today.

Denominations are dumb.

@SanctusPaulus1962

Ай бұрын

You're right. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

@NP-vk8de

Ай бұрын

@@SanctusPaulus1962 now that is a complete fallacy, and you’re defending Catholicism? Kyrie Eleison!

@SanctusPaulus1962

Ай бұрын

@@NP-vk8de How is that statement a "fallacy"? Do you even know what a fallacy is?

@NP-vk8de

Ай бұрын

@@SanctusPaulus1962 You are so ridiculous you are not even funny. Resorting to ad hominem attacks when you’ve lost the argument shows your true character. You wonder why people question the Catholic Church with posts such as you make. “No salvation outside the Catholic Church”, think it over my friend, “you catch moere flies with honey than with vinegar”. Get rid of you vinegar. People will than respect the Catholic Church. Kyrie Eleison!

@NP-vk8de

Ай бұрын

@@SanctusPaulus1962 love you too bro!

This speaker of this video entitled "The Theological Tavern" is espousing a very DANGEROUS religious belief called "Religious Syncretism," the fusion of diverse religious beliefs and practices. In contrary to what Colossians 2:8 espouses: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." I maybe from a banana republic, but this speaker cannot deceive me on matters of the Bible.

@TheTheologicalTavern

Ай бұрын

Hey, I appreciate you opening the dialogue between us. What I’ve attempted to do in this video is encourage fellow Christians. Each group that I’ve mentioned in this video can adhere and affirm to the nicene creed, which is still a test to determine whether or not one is a Christian.

@Laurelin70

23 күн бұрын

And you're preaching against Our Lord who before his Passion prayed "so that they would be ONE".

Roman Catholicism is not a single denomination lol (there's SSPX, Old Catholics, Palmyran Catholicism, "TradCaths", Vatican II Catholicism (biggest Roman Catholic denomination), etc). That's just desperate propaganda. And you do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God if you deny Sola Scriptura (since that's God's words, not men's words), which is taught in verses such as John 5:39, John 10:35, Romans 10:17, and Acts 17:11. You also are unware about the Scripture Alone beliefs of the Church Fathers, including John Chrysostom (who taught Sola Scriptura contrary to modern Roman Catholic heresy - read his words for yourself): John Chrysostom (Homilies on Second Corinthians, Homily 13.): “Wherefore I exhort and entreat you all, disregard what this man and that man thinks about these things, and inquire from the Scriptures ALL these things; and having learned what are the true riches, let us pursue after them that we may obtain also the eternal good things.”

@Laurelin70

23 күн бұрын

Do you think that the Scriptures wrote them by themselves? They were written by men, and probably not even by the ones who knew Jesus beforehand, but by their disciples or secretaries, several decades after Jesus' death and resurrection. Why do you trust in them and not in the ones who came after them? Or do you think that the Holy Spirit ceased his blowing after the Fathers of the Church? Are you the secretary of the Holy Spirit and only you know where and when and in whom He blows?

@TheCoachsCoach933

22 күн бұрын

You cling to that one sentence from Chrysostom like Linus to his blanket. Apparently you haven’t read any of Chrysostom’s letters to Pope Innocent.