This video was made to cater for those who would like to know what would have happened to the Elves who were present in the Peter Jackson adaptation after the battle of the Hornburg. At the beginning of the video I state the line: "In Peter Jackson's movie adaptation, Elves and Men stood side by side..." I also make references to the films and the cinematic aspects of the shots so I thought this was very clear. However, as I am getting a lot of comments stating that this is not canon, I just wanted to reiterate this and assure everyone that I am fully aware that Haldir and the elves were not present in the books! Thanks to everyone for watching and to those offering constructive feedback. I will ensure if I add any non canon elements to my videos I will state it explicitly in future!

@JustSir430

4 ай бұрын

I wish more people would read the books, or even listen to them on audio.

@barefootwanderer

4 ай бұрын

@@JustSir430 the new readings on audible read by Andy Serkis are really good.

@frosthounded

4 ай бұрын

Maybe add 'theory' to the title

@CrashWeezerman

3 ай бұрын

People just have bad listening comprehension

@jasonleveck8546

3 ай бұрын

I think there is an absolutely bountiful amount of material for which expert storytellers could weave tremendous tales on the silver screen or episodic on streamers, so long as it's ABSOLUTELY faithful to the source material.

I have always been curious about what happens to Frodo, Bilbo and the elves that go to the Undying Lands. Awesome video, as always.

@DreadArkive

2 ай бұрын

They basically live in peace until they finally pass away naturally. Elves don't die unless killed, then return after time. The Undying Lands are an actual place, not a sort of Heaven.

What happened to them? They weren’t there!😂

@davidponseigo8811

4 ай бұрын

Thank you, I was just about to say that.

@lovehagglund3234

4 ай бұрын

Watch the video again. and listen more carefully. He states '' what happened to the elves in the Peter jackson adoptation, the movies'' He Clearly states which version he's talking about. and he Knows that the elves didn't come to Helms deep in the books. but that doesn't matter. becasue he is talking about the Movies, and they Did arrive to helms deep in the movie.

@nilsalmgren4492

4 ай бұрын

Peter Jackson's version does not explain anything. All you have is fan fic based on Tolkien's writings.

@bruderk4257

4 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts as i got this video recommended.

@davidp7178

4 ай бұрын

Well, Legolas was there. No other elves though.

To 1st state that I was personally moved when Haldir arrived & cited The Last Alliance at Helm’s Deep in Peter Jackson’s trilogy. But I’m also plenty clear on the fact that it’s not canon to Tolkien. So it is a very curious choice to specify the location & narrate much of tis video with respect to it, when actually it is jus generally discussing the path Elves take from death, to the Halls of Mandos, to re-embodiment. Alternatively, the vid could state clearly that the scene exists purely in the film & we can jus discuss how cool it is to have Elves come & join ranks, shoulder-to-shoulder with us in our darkest hour of need.

@user-nz6dx2fj6h

4 ай бұрын

US? OUR hour of need? You need counselling son.

One of my biggest gripes with Peter Jackson was his decision to put Elves at Helm's Deep. The Battle of Helm's Deep was the epic stand of King Theoden and Rohan. Along with the Siege of Gondor and Battles of Pelennor Fields and The Black Gate, it showed that the Age of Man was truly begun. I felt like the Elves, who were making last appearances before they departed from Middle Earth or remain as isolationists, detracted from that.

@fredgilbert2032

4 ай бұрын

The main reason the elves didn't come to Helm's Deep or Minas Tirith is not because of isolationism but rather because they were fighting their own battles. The Lord of Rings both book and movie trilogy do not directly address the greater War of the Ring (though a lot is addressed in appendices and other works). The Battle of Dale, Battle of Mirkwood, and Battle of Lothlorien, among others, were all great battles in their own right occurring basically simultaneously with the war in Rohan and Gondor. The dwarves and elves were quite busy with their own problems and didn't have large enough populations to contribute troops to both their own battles and battles occurring in Rohan and Gondor which is why Sauron wisely choose to assault in multiple fronts to keep the forces of good scattered. I daresay if his assault (through Saruman) of Helm's Deep had succeeded he would have defeated Minas Tirith easily. I do agree the presence of the elves at Helms Deep was detrimental to the fact this is the beginning of the age of man where man could fight their own battles without support from Elf or Dwarf. I really feel this was simply fan service as the elves have a strong fan base and there wasn't a clear-cut other way to get them some major action on screen. I also dislike the inclusion of the Army of the Dead on Pellenor Field for much the same reason as they did not fight there at all. Aragorn released them from service after they took the Black Corsair fleet. Instead, men of Southern Gondor and Rangers were what should have emerged from the vessels as the dead were already at peace.

@jasonleveck8546

3 ай бұрын

@@fredgilbert2032 It was like an epic middle earth-world war.

@fredgilbert2032

3 ай бұрын

@@jasonleveck8546 exactly!

@markgonzalez4199

3 ай бұрын

They also didn't want to draw Sauron's attention to that part of Middle Earth. An army of Elves would have definitely been noticed.

@cepopeye

3 ай бұрын

They were rad tho

This is a great film theory! I like your more artful approach to storytelling; it makes for an intriguing listen. Although it did not happen in the books, it’s interesting to think about what could have happened next if the Elves had been there. Jackson’s team had reasons for the changes they made to the story and I’m kind of over the “well, actually” mindset. I love the canon, but I love the films, too.

Your prose is almost lyrical in quality, and sounds almost like a song. That's quite a notable talent you possess; my congratulations on having and using it so well. There's just one thing. The elves were not at Helm's Deep. This was my biggest complaint about Peter Jackson's Two Towers screenplay, and I feel you erred greatly in not clarifying that you were specifically addressing the movie. It might seem like a quibble, but it's important to recall that there are possibly millions of LOTR fans who only know the films and not the original WRITTEN story. It might have been a very effective teaser if, after you finished this wonderful presentation, you'd ended by saying something like 'but if you want to know what REALLY happened, read the original '

@jimknowles9634

4 ай бұрын

Just one of the myriad things wrong with the movies!

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

​@@jimknowles9634nope. LOTR holds the torch above all other movies to this day. Save your eyre for Amazon only.

@simplejuan

4 ай бұрын

I believe it was stated at the beginning of the video that this was on the adaptation of Peter Jackson's movie, maybe it was edited later after some comments. Still enjoyed the video.

@kiritsakis1

3 ай бұрын

​@@jimknowles9634Well, I believe one can enjoy both. Yes, some major changes were made in the movies, but all in all they are good movies to watch if you like the universe, unlike the hobbit trilogy and not to even begin on the rings of power...

@markgonzalez4199

3 ай бұрын

I agree for the most part. I especially loved Fellowship as it was closest to the books.

I absolutely loved this speculation, based as it were in both canon and film. It's pretty much as I imagined. Thank you.

Thanks for filling the holes in the films, I wish were implemented.

This artwork is exquisite, ethereal, and absolutely beautiful. Elves are all that ❤️‍🔥

@zograf4572

4 ай бұрын

A.I. is all that

@misskj4704

2 ай бұрын

tell the computer about pointy ears

@Kyragos

Ай бұрын

​@@misskj4704To be fair, Tolkien never described their ears in his main works. You have to dig in unpublished works and his letters to find a few mentions of slightly pointy ears.

The lord of the rings: the third age ps2 game is basically almost canon in the middle earth movie lore and revealed that there were only 4 survivors who eventually made their way back to Lothlorienn. One of them was Haldirs standard bearer and there is an in-game weapon or other item belonging to him revealing this lore.

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

Where to find this online? I wanna read it

@brohanfromrohan5771

4 ай бұрын

"Basically almost canon" except for the fact the the elves were never at Helm's Deep in the book.

It is my understanding from some of the literature that was released contemporaneously with the films that after the orcs closed in to the point where the shooting of arrows was no longer possible, the elves charged into the wall of orcish pikes and there were no survivors. The Rohirrim buried them in a cairn that their bodies not be defined. So none returned to Lothlorien, and this lovely story of the survivors that you have woven was an impossibility.

The only problem with this is that there were only a handful of people with Theoden to ride out with Aragorn. This is one of the weaknesses of the film/s. We see none of the Elves after that other than Legolas. So in short they're all dead... I see why Peter Jackson did it because the Elves were fighting for Middle Earth elsewhere it was just poorly done and then they were gone.

My biggest gripe was having Aragorn giving and leading the Galadhrim at Helms Deep. It should be either Haldir or Legolas since he was a Sindarin Prince.

Very nicely presented :)

That's not hard to answer: In the canon (aka the books) Legolas was the only elf at Helms Deep. I didn't like the decision to have more elves showing up there in the movies at all. At least they dropped their original plan of Arwen showing up there.

The elves would have had to run from lothlorian HELLA fast to get to helms deep...refresh my memory. How many days did the fellowship travel on boats,before the chase???

I love the artwork shown here.

There was only one elf at Helm's Deep - Legolas. He went on through the Paths of the Dead, fought at Minas Tirith, and was at the Black Gate for the final defeat of Sauron. That's what happened to the elf who was at Helm's Deep.

@w-james9277

4 ай бұрын

I love the elves showing up at Helms Deep. One of my favourite changes to the source material

@brohanfromrohan5771

4 ай бұрын

@@w-james9277, I hated it. Absolutely hated it. It was pure fanfare.

@w-james9277

4 ай бұрын

@@brohanfromrohan5771 Each to their own

@brohanfromrohan5771

4 ай бұрын

@@w-james9277, it made absolutely zero sense for them to be there. How would they have known? How did they march an army there unnoticed? Why did the elves find it necessary to march to Helm's Deep and help Rohan but not to Minas Tirith to help Gondor? They weren't exactly allies.

@w-james9277

4 ай бұрын

@@brohanfromrohan5771 It wasn’t exactly secret what was happening in Rohan and did they need to travel unnoticed. They had some soldiers willing to help so they did. And by the time of the siege of minas tirith they were busy fighting with thranduil so yeah...

An adaptation of a Third Age battle with First Age names: "Dagor-nuin-Taur" (The Battle Under the Trees)

I know I always think like damn where were they even in the last battle when Mordor marching to Gondor. The last stand for middle earth

This is amazing. Watched all your videos in two days... This community can really be gated and toxic as all fans bordering on crazed fanatics at times but that does not change the fact that your content is amazing.

This is a fascinating speculation of behind the scenes action that the movie didn't have time to provide.

Can we get a movie with the battles that occurred to the north during this time?

1. Lothlorien were attacked several times by Sauron's forces and therefore had their hands full defending their territory. 2. Same goes for Mirkwood. They had neither the forces, nor the time to come either Rohan's or Gondor's aid.

@LostCauseClown

4 ай бұрын

Well, in your movie, you'll depict it correctly, won't you. Actually, Tolkien would have hated any movie depiction, right? Only reading the books is acceptable.

@andershansen2861

4 ай бұрын

@@LostCauseClown indeed they were never at Helm's Deep - it was just PJ extending Arwen's screentime.

There was only one Elf at Helm's Deep, Legolas! The books are the best source of lore on LOTR!

Great video, except for one thing, I'm not a fan of the artist who drew all of the elves without pointed ears. Tolkiens elves had pointed ears, and the elves in this video looked like very beautiful humans, not elves.

@lovehagglund3234

4 ай бұрын

They're AI generated, at least most of them. Look at the hands, and the faces in the background. It's hard to get the AI to do exactly what you want. I think it did well concidering.

@michaelkantner6420

4 ай бұрын

@@lovehagglund3234 That's too bad, but if someone is going to make a video of J.R.R. Tolkien's books, they should at least depict the characters accurately, and I think most fans would agree.

There was only 1 elf at Helms Deep and that was Legolas

My brother this was so well written

Really nice. Thanks 🙏 my fellow travelers. I hope i love I know

I’ll share this here too: here’s why the elves couldn’t help as much as some may have wished at the final battle of we Helms Deep & other places: By the Third Age of Middle-earth, the population of Elves had significantly decreased from their numbers in the earlier Ages. It is estimated that there were only a few thousand Elves remaining in Middle-earth by this time. One reason why Elves didn't have much military prowess to help out more in the Third Age is because they had already fought many battles in the previous Ages, & were weary of war ontop of Lothlòrien(where Galadriel is) being constantly attacked throughout this current story during the trilogy story but the movies never show it. Additionally, many of the great Elven kingdoms had already fallen, & the remaining Elves had scattered across Middle-earth, making it difficult to organize a large-scale military force. Furthermore, Elves had a deep respect for the natural world, and were hesitant to engage in battles that could harm the environment. They preferred to use their skills in magic and healing to assist in battles, rather than fighting directly. Despite their reduced numbers and military prowess, Elves still played an important role in the events of the Third Age. They were instrumental in the quest to destroy the One Ring, and many fought bravely in battles against Sauron's forces. However, they had to be strategic about their involvement, as they knew that they could not sustain heavy losses without risking the extinction of their entire race. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ In J.R.R. Tolkien's works, the exact population of Elves in Middle-earth during the Third Age is not explicitly stated. However, it is generally believed that their numbers had greatly diminished by this time, with only a few remaining Elven kingdoms & settlements scattered across Middle-earth. Some sources estimate that there may have been only a few thousand Elves left in Middle-earth by the Third Age. It is important to note that the exact population of Elves in Middle-earth is not a major focus of Tolkien's works, as he was more concerned with the individual characters & their journeys rather than the demographics of Middle-earth. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ While there are no exact figures given in Tolkien's works, some fans have attempted to estimate the population of Elves in Middle-earth during the Third Age using various mathematical models comparing to what was known about the past. One such estimate, based on the size of Elven settlements & their likely populations, suggests that there may have been around 100,000 Elves scattered across Middle-earth from different clans as it were with slightly different diverging history at certain points during the Third Age. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ The population of Elves in Middle-earth changed over time due to a variety of factors, including wars, migrations, & natural disasters. During the First Age, Elves were relatively numerous and lived in many different kingdoms & settlements across Middle-earth. However, many of these kingdoms were destroyed during the wars against Morgoth, the first Dark Lord. During the Second Age, the population of Elves began to decline as many Elves left Middle-earth to sail to the Undying Lands, a paradise-like realm across the sea. This was largely due to the influence of the Valar, the angelic beings who created the world, who offered the Elves a chance to escape the sorrows and limitations of mortal life in Middle-earth. By the time of the Third Age, the population of Elves in Middle-earth had greatly diminished. Many of the great Elven kingdoms had fallen, & the remaining Elves had scattered across Middle-earth in small, isolated settlements. This was partly due to the wars of the First Age and the destruction of many Elven kingdoms, as well as the gradual decline of the Elves' power & influence in Middle-earth. Overall, the population of Elves in Middle-earth declined over time, with many Elves leaving for the Undying Lands & many others being killed in wars and other conflicts. By the end of the Third Age, the Elves' numbers had greatly diminished, & they were a shadow of their former glory in Middle-earth. It’s been their fight for ages alone before Men came along and many of them befriended Men from the very beginning. They share the same fights/The same histories etc! Let’s just say it used to be a few million so imagine what Galadriel & her husband have seen regarding experiencing their entire race that still dwelled upon middle earth nearly being wiped out into extinction…

@rortys.kierkegaard9980

4 ай бұрын

Second to the last paragraph, kinda says it implicitly. This is the history of the ‘world of men’… man’s sole stewardship of this world was earned by their exclusive protection of it. The time of a shared history between elves and men… was over

They went to Westeros for a vacation.

They were put in for reasons just as much as Tauriel was in the Hobbit.

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

Nope. They were to show the alliance still existed in visual form and show the menace of saruman was nothing to be trifled with.

@andershansen2861

4 ай бұрын

But, they were never there in the book. They were put there by PJ to allow Arwen more time on camera.

So, I really like the LotR movies. Though I do typically prefer the books, compact to the changes of Jackson, I don't usually dislike these film's changes as much as other IPs, and the Elves at Helm's Feep is probably my single favorite, or top two, alterations Peter Jackson did. The Elves are great, but in their own way they are responsible for so much of the bad stuff that happens. A lot of what Sauron does comes from his desire to dominate the Elves, and meanwhile they get a free pass to just leave the failing world behind. Even if Sauron won, he wouldn't get the Elves, and Men, Dwarves, Hobbits, and the rest would just be left to suffer. I really Luke Haldir arriving, and tbe Elves, even in tbe withdrawal, actually contributing something to downfall of Sauron. I know even in the book, they do do stuff, bur even that us "off camera"; we're not told until the actual story is over, and we agreed to page through appendices, like the Battle of Dale. The Elves are a part of Middle Earth; they chose to live there, and are supposed to feel a bit sad that they can't stay, yet we never see them. A morbid person could even argue that their deaths simply hastened their trip. They were going to Valinor, anyway, and now they'll get there, after a stop off in the Halls of Mandos. Anyway, as said, I appreciate that they actually contributed to victory, on the movie, even ar a great cost. In the books, it almost seems like cowardice, as they don't have to stand and fight, or earn their salvation. In the film, they care enough about the friends they'd leave behind to forgo their pass, and actually fight the enemy, and I like that a lot; it makes them feel more heroic, and invested in Middle Earth, even if they cannot stay.

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

And then there was Amazon.... stop tearing down PJ and all the love and sweat and blood and tears that was put into all of this. All the games and movies and books we love to this day were all inspired by PJs 3000 man strong team of people involved which changed the lives of many and gave them the will to live and even conquer diseases. And then there is Tolkien himself where everyone was inspired by his scholarly works to revive ancient knowledge etc.

So glad I found your channel. I really enjoy your presentations and love that artwork. I agree that the content of Peter Jackson's movies should be explored because so many people discover Tolkien through these beautiful movies. The Professor hoped that "other minds and hands" would visit his realms, and in my opinion, he would have approved of Jackson's intention in bringing elvish warriors to Helm's Deep. Many thanks to you for a job well done.

@nataliestclair6176

3 ай бұрын

I enjoyed Peter Jackson LotR films even though I disliked a lot of the changes he made and the way he "assassinated" a lot of the characters, but no Tolkien would not have approved of bringing the elves to Helms Deep or the other changes Jackson made. If Tolken wanted elves at Helms Deep he would have put them their when he wrote the book. Just like his son Christopher, Tolkien would not have approved of the movies at all and the changes Jackson made

Jackson sending Elves to Helm's Deep was just stupid. Then killing them all off (which is what happens in the movies) is even more stupid. Legolas was just a wood elf and he was a devastating force just by himself. These Elves from Rivendell were High Elves and much more powerful than Legolas. A company of High Elves would have turned the tide of the battle.

@rickoshay5525

4 ай бұрын

Legolas retreats with other Elves, carrying Gimli with the assistance of another Elf, and the Elves all disappear.

@JoshMorgantheNinja

4 ай бұрын

The Elves are Galadriel's, not Elrond's. Also, Legolas is a Sindar Elf, not simply a Wood Elf. While Haldir was sent to deliver a message from Lord Elrond to the Rohirrim, Lady Galadriel strong armed Elrond into letting her send her own warriors to aid them.

there was exactly one elf at the Battle Of The Hornburg and what happened to him is a matter of record. read a book.

They were never there. Legolas alone, of the elven race, fought in that battle.

Well we dont see them during the ride out They dont travel with Aragorn or Gandalf So they all died

The orcs said….. meat is back on the menu boys!

First off there were never any Elves at Helms Deep.

Its all about the budget, time constraints. They wanted ti show that the elves were involved in the war of the ring without the expense 9f showing the battles of lothlorian...probably

Difference is one is Hollywood and the other is fact. The only Elf there was Legolas.

@Malaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw

4 ай бұрын

this dude saying the LotR books are "fact" lol

@user-fj7vm9fz2h

4 ай бұрын

@@Malaks_Missing_Lower_Jaw Cannon sound better? Hollywood made the Hornburg it wasn’t even close to the book.

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

It was actually the Dunedain rangers of the north related to Aragorn himself who came to HelmsDeep but again it was to show more of the elvish presence and show the menace of Saruman.

Non Sequitur, apart from Legolas, there were no Elves at Helms Deep. Just because JJ didn’t know how to read does not make his movie the new canon.

I thought..all the remaining elves died..on that night...at the battle of helms deep 😢😁but happy to know..that some survived.

I guess they wanted to show more elves in action so they included them in Helm’s Deep

Haldir doesn't go to Helm's deep in the books, does he?

@DaytonaRoadster

2 ай бұрын

nope, it was something they added

They weren’t there.

Haldir leading elves to Helm's Deep was a Peter Jackson concoction. One I absolutely hated, as good as the movies were. So what happened to the elves of Helm's Deep? Never happened.

@changeXkendo

4 ай бұрын

It is actually one of my favorite creative license that Jackson made. The reason is that, the war of the ring was a middle-earth wide conflict. I remember first reading the books and thinking "where are the elves? Where are the dwarves? Why are the men left to defend themselves, when Souron is a threat to then all." But what you latter find out is that off screen the elves and dwarves were fighting their own battles. Dain and the the men of Dale were battling against Easterling. Thranduil and Celeborn, and later Galadriel were assaulting Dol Goldor from Lorien. Everyone was involved in the war of the ring. I take elves at Helm's Deep as Jackson's way of showing that this war was affecting everyone, and everyone had a part to play. Just as Mary says "you are a part of this world!" Anyway, that is just my thoughts. People often say that Tolkien would have been ashamed of the movies, and while I can agree that may be the case with the Hobbit, I wonder if he would have the same opinion about Jackson's trilogy.

They went to halls of mandos to be reborn.

What happened to the elven ears at 2.10?

Elves (plural) at Helms Deep? Book 3 chapter Vii, only mentions one!

Only elf in battle was Lego.

The Elves at Helm's Deep were one of Jacksons biggest blunders in LOTR. Lothlorien was assailed 3 times by the forces of Dol Guldur during the War of the Ring so sending out a relief force that far away just prior to the start of the War does not make sense. Also I wondered how the Elven Army slipped past the forces of Isengard undetected. Aragorn arrived at Helm's Deep only a few hours ahead of the Isengard Army. Jackson should have shown a cutaway scene showing the assaults on Lothlorien, Thranduil's KIngdom and Dale.

@InhalingWeasel

4 ай бұрын

Why would it be a blunder? The movie could not depict the battle for Lothlorien and Mirkwood and Rohan, so they gave us a mix of them. It's not perfectly accurate but it blends nicely with the overall storyline.

@romandacil3984

3 ай бұрын

It was more a question of geography and logistics. It took the Fellowship 10 days by boat to get from Lorien to the argonath (feb 16-26) which is 380 some odd miles. From the Argonath to Fangorn is another 165 miles. aragorn, Gimli & Legolas did that from Feb 26-30th ( in LOTR Feb has 30 days) both on foot & horseback. The Elves of Lorien would have to assemble, equip and provide for an army of 500-1000 on the march. The terrain between Lorien and Fangorn has no paths and is hilly. Fangorn does not have any clear paths that cut through in a straight line. Crossing the hilly terrain of the Wold and crossing 2 major rivers the Limlight and the Entwash would slow down an army on the march. The Elves could do it quicker than the Fellowship or men but would have been spotted by spies of either Sauron and Saruman out in the open ground. Aftre the Battle of Helms Deep on March 3rd, the Elves would have to turn around & head back exhausted & depleted only to go right back into battle on either March 11th, 15th or 22nd.@@InhalingWeasel

There were no elves at helm's deep.

If orcs are corrupted elves, do they also go to the Halls of Mandos?

@CrashWeezerman

3 ай бұрын

That is something that is speculated on but was never revealed by Tolkien.

Why are the elves showm with fair hair. I understood that elves had dark hair and principally grey eyes, and that it only the 'Golden House of Finarfin' who had to fair hair?🎉

There was only one elf at Helm's Deep, and his tale is a tragic one. He had a rivalry with gigachad of the House of Durin, half his size and twice his balls. Being proven inferior in both the gentle art of orc terminating and the brutal art of courting married Noldor queens, nothing was left for Legolas but to be baggage and always walk in shade of his smaller friend.

@wesleyking6713

4 ай бұрын

This made me laugh so hard. Thanks for this comment. Gigachad Gimli is goddamn right.

@gerrimilner9448

4 ай бұрын

the sons of elrond also arrived with the rangers and gandalf, so three by the end

There were no elves at Helms Deep, apart from Legolas. Read the books.

👍👍

They wasn't there and that good my haldir servived

So theirs a book called "The Lord of The Rings: Weapons and Warfare" by Chris Smith that came out around the time of the movies. It's pretty much the official movie canon book. In it there is a section about the battle of Helms Deep. Its says that none of the elves survived and that they were buried with honour by the Rohirrim. Though the way it describes it implies they all died within the deepening wall when in the movie you can see a number of them escape to the keep and even fighting on the ramparts with the Rohirrim. I love the films but admittedly I do feel they kinda just brushed aside the fate of remaining Elves to point it has left confusion.

I didn’t read the books, except for the Hobbit…but tell me: How on earth could a host of 300 man defeat the army of 10 thousand strong?

@grossepointemichigan

2 ай бұрын

Well, Gandalf shows up with Erkenbrand of Westfold and his men. They drive the orcs into the "forest" of Huorns (sent by Treebeard). The Huorns killed every last orc that remained (who had not already been killed).

@DaytonaRoadster

2 ай бұрын

they didnt, they just held out long enough for Gandalf and the Horsemen to arrive. There were less than 20 left. Gandalf and the Roheirm broke the Orcs moral, and they broke and fled, right into the Hurons that annihilated them

4:55 = Fine Nordic Beauty.

They were not there!

they were rounded up by the retreating orcs and brought to Mordor so they could ne corrupted by Sauron and turn into super orcs. They were being bred into orc-elves by Sauron

In the book, at least, there were no elves at Helm's Deep

I don’t suppose you could say “according to the judgment of the Oratrice Mecanique d’Analyse Cardinale” could you?

What happened to the Dunedain rangers who disappeared from the movie adaptation

@loonowolf2160

2 ай бұрын

The movies are great anyway with the changes PJ did to them

There were no elves at Helm's Deep.

I don't even need to watch this video as to what happened to the Elves at Helms Deep. It's because Legolas was the only Elf at the battle of Helms Deep in the book of TTT. The time of the Elves was over and the time of Men was coming once Aragorn was crowned King of Gondor. Please read Tolkien's books as he's a very detailed writer. Peter Jackson's LOTR films are adaptations of Tolkien's LOTR books. Jackson left out a lot of what happened in the films.

They were never there so most likely they either died in Lorien or went to undying lands.

What happened to the Elves from helms Deep? They didn't. Video length 0:10

'Yes they were not there

Nothing - they weren't there.

Ummm they were defending their home. Not at all at Helms Deep.

Shouldn't you speak about which elven you're referring too? Tolkien or Peter Jackson....Theres a huge difference!

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

Nope. PJ made them ethereal as they should be. Close yet remote. Something else. Otherworldly. Amazon made them into vulcans who actually very basic level human. Not even High Edain/Númenorean...

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Try not to remind me of the stupidity of PJ’s ridiculous divergence from the books by adding Haldir and other elves at Helm’s Deep…it is on my top 10 list of things he did in his films that I hated.

They wearn't there it was imagined only by Peter Jackson - its not Canon, this was not written by Tolkien did not happen so they were never there so nothing happened to them afterwards.

I have to laugh at all the blonde Elves shown in the video. Very, VERY few of Tolkien's Elves in Middle-earth were blondes. You'd have to go to Valinor and hang out with the Vanyar if you wanted to see that many blondies .

Was this written by machine learning? The last alliance was not against Saruman 😂

@RealmsUnravelled

4 ай бұрын

Hello and thanks for your comment. The line is "elves and men stood side by side, in a manner that was reminiscent of the last alliance, against the forces of Saruman." In other words they stood against the forces of Saruman in a manner reminiscent of the last alliance. Hopefully this clears up any confusion! Thanks again and I hope you enjoyed the rest of the video

I know you're just getting started but this is already my favorite Tolkien lore channels. The production quality is very high. The art is excellent. You speak well, it's easy to understand, and pleasant to listen to. The storytelling is excellent. The episodes are thoughtful. Keep it up!

I’m resisting the temptation to shout “Lies, all lies”. Read the books!

As some other intelligent well read folks have said they were not even there. I often wonder if people even know these were originally books.

Considering they were only at Helms Deep in the movie and not in the books, I think it's fair to assume they ALL DIED.

@Lightingwarrior

4 ай бұрын

In books of the movie and from Jackson own words most of the elves died but not all hence some surived

@Makkaru112

4 ай бұрын

4 survived in the game.

Uhm.. Those elves were just another of P.Jackson's countless butcherings of the source material to achieve a (cheap) emo-moment. To state the obvious: The movies were great. They just aren't "the lord of the rings" but only inspired by it. Lothlorien is around 300 miles away from Helm's Deep (give or take; given Lorien's Sindar feared Fangorn forest, they would most definitely hadn't passed through it - that "direct path" would've been ~270miles). Given the fellowship set out from Lorien on February 16th, and the battle at Helm's Deep took place on March 3rd - those elves would've had to leave Lorien the very same day as the fellowship did just to arrive in time. Now, given it takes some time to set up a military convoy, they would've had to be aware of the future events well beforehand - in which case, they would/could've just accompanied the fellowship right away straight to Rohan. Plus, "why" would Lorien elves communicate a message from Elrond of Rivendell that'd send them into battle? He had no business in Lorien; Celeborn, a Light Elf and being accounted the wisest of the Elves of Middle Earth (according to Galadriel), most definitely wouldn't adhere to a mere half-elf's commands, and be it his son-in-law (and his Great-great-great-nephew (=quite fcked-up/inbred lineage)). And, there never was any treaty between Rohan and Elves - Rohan's founding only took place around 2500TA, i.e. ~500 years ago - the elven/human alliance in the "war of the last alliance" marks the end of the 2nd age though. (Finally: Elves in Tolkien's work are notorious for only minding their own business. And as an extra, on to Jackson's greatest sacrilege (committed in "the Hobbit"): they were NO vegans!)

@lovehagglund3234

4 ай бұрын

He clearly states that he is talking about the elves in Peter jacksons version. Also Galadriel is able to forsee the future with her mirror. it is Very possible that she saw the attack helms deep much earlier and were able to prepare for it. The Adding of elves in hels deep is for cinematic power, it's a way to display the friendship between aragorn and Haldir. it's a way to display the alliance between men and elves. The movies never butchered the story, and if you can't see why many of the changes were made you're just uneducated. You can rarely make a movie adoptation to a book by following it word for word. that would not make for a good cinematic experience. it's an art style. and art changes depending on the perspective. some things needs to be changed to convey the whole message.

@davidlewis5312

4 ай бұрын

@@lovehagglund3234 I do consider not explaining what exactly is wrong with Denethor a pretty bad omission. While there are changes that benefit the movie's form of narration, more urgency on the quest, heightening the danger of the ring, not including Tom Bombadill as that is not explained well in the books anyway, and Yes Haldir at helm's deep; acting like all the changes are positive is almost as uneducated.

@phelanwolf6747

4 ай бұрын

Well, the Orcs in the Hobbit movie had Zerg Nydusworms to deploy their troops unnoticed, so why wouldn't the Elves have Protoss Warpgates to deploy their troops? 😂 And making an alliance is just one or two clicks in the control interface.

@MrNoucfeanor

13 күн бұрын

​@@phelanwolf6747Sounds like elf sorcery to me. For Aiur!!

He totally could, he killed the Balrog a fallen Maiar equal to Gandalf. Gandalf as a wizard and emissary of Eru and the Valar was not permitted to engage directly via force fighting evil in Middle Earth because last time it happened it caused a huge portion of the continent, Beleriand to be sunk into the sea - those were the rules. Gandalf was a stickler for the rules, which is why he was the only wizard successful in his mission. His job was to encourage and rally and motivate the peoples of middle earth to fight evil, not do it for them. We know dragons were hatched from eggs, so were born from biological reproduction - so they are not spiritual beings of Valar and Maiar who Eru sung into being. Morgoth could only corrupt, so he corrupted them from something - something likely reptilian. We know Morgoth created the wolf Carcharoth from one of the litter from Draugluin the king of all werewolves. Werewolves being created by Sauron by corrupting normal wolves. Tolkien writes 'he chose one from among the whelps of the race of Draugluin; and he fed him with his own hand upon living flesh, and put his power upon him. Swiftly the wolf grew, until he could creep into no den, but lay huge and hungry before the feet of Morgoth. There the fire and anguish of hell entered into him, and he became filled with a devouring spirit, tormented, terrible, and strong'. Carcharoth was intelligent and understood alot more than a mere wolf could, as we see in the Tale of Beren and Luthien. So the power to create corrupted beings comes mainly from Morgoth, but he needs something to start with that already exists. Its never even broached that corrupted creatures are bred into being by a union of a spiritual and mortal being. We know Sauron created the winged felbeasts that the Nazgul used after they lost their horses - Tolkien writes; ' A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil. And the Dark Lord took it, and nursed it with fell meats, until it grew beyond the measure of all other things that fly; and he gave it to his servant to be his steed.' We know of Ents which are likely how cave trolls were created, corrupted Ents, we know of the nameless things and we know Tolkien envisioned other ancient creatures that may have lingered from ancient times. We also know skin changers existed, Beornings were a race of large Men. Those rare individuals had the skill to assume the form and abilities of an animal, and for this they were known also as skin-changers or shape-changers - the last appearing in The Hobbit. So we can be pretty sure Morgoth created dragons from some ancient creature in middle earth not named by Tolkien and it was via Morgoths power and evil that they became vastly more powerful and intelligent than there originator species and in this their spirits became evil and more than a spirit of a normal creature. But they were mortal, living and could die and be killed - Gollum was originally a hobbit and look what the corruption did to him, not least his unnaturally long life. We also know the pretty disgusting fact that half orcs existed, Saruman bred them in his service and one was a regular at the Prancing Pony - The Squint-eyed southerner from Dunland. It doesn't bear thinking about how half orcs were bred, but it was in the normal non magical way - an evil Saruman sunk to. So there was a pretty wide variety of creatures Morgoth could choose to corrupt to get dragons - even huge creatures like the Oliphaunts existed in the 3rd age 'Massive, often ferocious beasts, their legs were like trees, their bodies were larger than a house, they had enormous sail-like ears, and they had a long snout like a huge serpent.'

There were no elves there besides legolas

There were no Elves at Helm's Deep. Read the books.

I wish PJ hadn,t mucked about with the story so much. I was perfectly happy with Elladan, Elrohir & Legolas being the representatives of their people at Helm's deep. Lothlorien attacked 3 times, the woodland realm & Dale plus Erebor assaulted as well, all played their part in the final defeat of the dark lord. It simply didn't need the embellishment.

@loonowolf2160

2 ай бұрын

Still he couldn't show all of those fights, they are part of the war of the North

Haldir's "legendary warriors" didn't fight at Helm's Deep. It's abominable that Jackson butchered the story in that way.

I know it’s a matter of personal preference, but I cannot abide the over use of metaphor and poetic licence for the narration. Couldn’t get more than half way through your video, sorry.

They never existed.

It never happened. Peter Jackson was simply wrong.

The ELVES WERE NEVER THERE!!!!! WTF. 😢.

This is a troll video, right?

@RealmsUnravelled

4 ай бұрын

No, it's an elf video. Trolls are bigger and uglier

I know you're a small youtuber so I am not going to get too angry, but I HATE AI art.

@only_truthsaik9481

3 ай бұрын

than don’t watch it friend… problem solved

There weren’t any Elves at Helms Deep. Some bullshit stuck in their for that horrible POS movie

Nothing cause they didn’t exist. Oh wait none of this exists lol 😂 get on with it then.