As someone who bought a war gaming table, that "MGT Tool Bar" is exactly what I want

@AvatarOfNateP

2 жыл бұрын

These accessories will launch before I get my war gaming table.

@EmilyPici

2 жыл бұрын

same boat, and I agree, would buy a bunch

@weaselchomper

2 жыл бұрын

My immediate thought was "I need that"

@Xenious

2 жыл бұрын

and the name is perfect

@Stiyx

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. This would be great to put on the outside of the table to hold dice and tape measures for while playing games which fill the gaming space like Warhammer or Bolt Action

I think the "Tool Bar" thing needs to sit flush with the lip of the table. It being recessed from the lip and having that little drop down removes so much utility that could be had if it "extended" the existing surface out over the playing area. It would even maybe be big enough at that point combining the lip and the bar that it could fit a full size binder laying down for people's character sheets and whatnot. Just my opinion.

@Nikalin

2 жыл бұрын

Trouble with it being flush it stuff will roll off / out of it.

@HighInquisitor35

2 жыл бұрын

I think a good solution is make it so if you flip it over it becomes flush with the table side so you can put paper on it or something

@whowasibeing

2 жыл бұрын

@@HighInquisitor35 That would be a nice boon for people looking to use it either as a tabletop, or for holding bits. I imagine a bit more cost involved/weight though.

@AltNixon

2 жыл бұрын

@@HighInquisitor35 Actually yeah, that would be perfect. Although it might make it harder to manufacture so I don't know if it's feasible.

@oriondourden

2 жыл бұрын

if the left 30% of the tray remained recessed and maybe felted, the rest being flush with the top would be beautiful.

Me being genuinely invested in watching these people develop a table I will never be able to afford

@ghetorange9604

2 жыл бұрын

I truely feel your pain, for me to afford even the cheapest table they have will cost me a chunk of my liver for a rich guys transplant XD

@notacyborg

2 жыл бұрын

Those of us that can afford won't ever get. Because they can't deliver....

@thirstysnail2152

2 жыл бұрын

Even basic things are harder to get now with the exchange rate and postage

@zebraloverbridget

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I'll never buy one since I don't need/want one, but it is just so fun to watch every video. I don't even like table top gaming lol. The table and accessories are all too neatly organized for my liking. If my work station isn't in complete chaos then something is wrong or I just cleaned it and haven't touched it since then. also I can't afford it either right now rip

@3nertia

2 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if only people who Wyrmwood sponsor can afford Wyrmwood ...

4:33 - Doug is absolutely correct. Having a versatile accessory like that is big enough to be a "catchall" is a great idea and needed at D&D games. Most of the other accessories don't account for note taking.

@dinahfromkabalor

2 жыл бұрын

Catchall ain't a bad name...

The counter could have card slots and it would be great for MtG.

@WardNightstone

2 жыл бұрын

douge actually mentioned addign a card slot along the back splash

@chancemcclendon3906

2 жыл бұрын

really makes sense let them lean on the back

@Masteph93

2 жыл бұрын

Big true that would actually be awesome

“MGT Tool bar” has a nice ring to it…

@garivelthecleric

2 жыл бұрын

MGTool Bar, even

Tracker Module: Don't have horizontal dials at all. Through-cut the piece and mount vertically spinning wheel-style dials on a blind-drilled rod. Have each 'wheel' index magnetically, and they line up sequentially, like a padlock. You get more digits (dials) this way for the same surface area, and it's open to both sides of the tile so it can be flipped without moving any other pieces around.

@cogspace

2 жыл бұрын

+

@jonathana6298

2 жыл бұрын

Ding.

@WardNightstone

2 жыл бұрын

that would be dope

@greyborg3846

2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm having trouble visualizing this, but if the dial were accessible from both sides then would the numbers be upside down on one side?

@TurtleKwitty

2 жыл бұрын

@@greyborg3846 Think of it like turning the page of a book

The big tray could be used to house puzzle pieces while keeping the center of the table free for building the puzzle!

@dannys7237

2 жыл бұрын

This is such a good call. I'll be using my MGT for puzzles sometimes and this is huge

Doug is spot on. General/utilitarian, can do almost anything items, especially bigger, are more useful. As to a name, no fraking clue. Gamer's Wood Extension might sound kind of silly. :P Grats, on the baby Jason. December is the month to be born. ^_^ But um....Gus? Well, there are way worse names, so fair enough.

@daniellewis1789

2 жыл бұрын

The Toolbar is a perfect name.

The trough supports people who already have purchased dice trays and stuff. I don't need/want another tray, I have one. I want space for the stuff i already own

@natroupe

2 жыл бұрын

Also congrats, Jason!

@Saidso17

2 жыл бұрын

ooo especially if the hexy tabetop tiles fit

Love the idea of the “Tool Bar” or “the Shelf”

@EmilyPici

2 жыл бұрын

love "the shelf"

Doug is right! I love the MGT Toolbar! Would purchase.

One of the selling points of the "Tool Bar" would be having that higher back wall. It gives me a surface to bounce dice off of without worrying about them skipping off into the table. If i'm using it for crafts, that higher wall let's me keep more stuff on the Tool Bar and just remove the entire module without having to empty it. It sort of becomes a "Tool Box" instead of a "Tool Bar" at that point. I can just grab the entire box and slap it into my table and i'm ready for whatever craft/game I have stuffed in there.

I agree with Doug, I would get the gaming trough if I had the table. It would be great for players, DMs, and wargames.

Utility tray should b in 2 foot increments so it goes well on the sides

@nickbestvater8635

2 жыл бұрын

or one foot and magnetted together

@davidrosaschi342

2 жыл бұрын

Does that include the magnetic end caps? or without?

“The Lair” - a place for your Wyrmlings to stash their hoard.

In line with the “Game Deck” it could be called the “Game Shelf”

The first thing that popped in my head was "the Jack of all Trays" multi purposed 🤷🏻‍♂️ nice episode once again guys!

when you introduced the trough / utility tray.. immediately that was the item out of this set that I wanted to get. definitely what i'm going to be ordering once its available.

The "tool bar" has an interesting value proposition for ttrpgs. Personally, I have always looked at the MGT from a DnD perspective and wondered "where would players/DM's put their stuff, though?" There was a desk accessory that seemed like it could do the job, but this is an interesting g alternative. The biggest thing I'd like to see in these videos, though, is how multiple Tool Bars affect the overall footprint of the table. In the video, just one was substantial in size (part of the attraction), but what happens when a DM and four players are all slapping one on for personal use around the inside of the table? Let's say that's two on a side and one an end. How much "available" table is left for the actual game? What happens if the Tool Bar attaches to the outside instead? Is table accessibility now an issue? Curious to see where this goes!

not sure of the dimensions on the Tool Bar, but looks a bit narrow on the video. Suggestions: 1. increase depth to allow enough space (including the table sides) to fit a standard sheet of paper without overhang on the table edge. 2. add accessory rail to the backside edge for further modularity

That tray, if the surface could be brought flush with the table sides would be a fantastic solution to have the extra room for character sheets, and pencils and dice and everything. Absolutely interested in seeing it developed further. Nicer than having to get x number of player desks

@pink_nicola

2 жыл бұрын

Especially if you have limited around table space for player desks to fit

As someone who has yet to lock in my MGT the trough or tool tray or whatever it gets called is 100% going on the top of my list for accessories i will purchase probably over even the player desk

Doug gets me, he really gets me 4:43 I love the giant "MGT Toolbar". Definitely a must have accessory.

If the trough can sit flush with the edges of the table, my instinct is that it's a great spot for my keyboard

@jeskifire

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@dirtyroach590

2 жыл бұрын

If it fits flush I’d love to use it to lube switches when building keyboards

So no more stackable dice tower? That’s a shame I was really looking forward to making a huge tower and thought it was a better concept than the current magnetic tower.

@sethbettwieser

2 жыл бұрын

I think stackable dice tower is still being considered, just not a magnetic one for the table.

@stewartsmalls2024

2 жыл бұрын

The sound of the stacked tower is so much more satisfying. It truly sounds like an avalanche of death marching over your enemies. Or the wildebeasts stampeding over Mufasa in the gorge.

@MatthewWilliamNelson

2 жыл бұрын

@@stewartsmalls2024 lol EXACTLY! The sound of those dice barreling down to the bottom was therapeutic. Definitely made it a lot more suspenseful and entertaining.

Here are some terrible names so you guys can feel better - Trayble Top - MGT Extendinator - MGTMGT (Modular Gaming Table's More Gaming Tray) - The Trench - The Doug Ditch - Flatter Platter - D:\\MGT\Desktop There now whatever you came up with beats the wyrmlings (unless someone made a really good suggestion)

@CharlieBSleepy

2 жыл бұрын

Also: - MySpace extender - Player surface pro

Whoever decided to over edit the part with Dale so that he was thinking for longer, you're a genius, I love it! lmao

As Bobby pointed out in the video, that surface is great for neatly laying out and organizing all the pieces for someone dismantling a knife or other creative activities. Wyrmwood already makes Rolling Trays, so clearly this should be called a "Knolling Tray"

RE: the card holder. I think the SHAPE of the old one is phenomenal compared to the new. Why not just eliminate the pivoting aspect, and maybe the connection to the table a bit wider? For the tool shelf accessory, i like it, but my one note is i think it would benefit from being proud of, or flush with the tables' armrest. If it dips down, that edge becomes an obstacle to work around when actually using it to write in, work on, etc.

@hopkinssm1

2 жыл бұрын

I think the curved aspect was one thing I liked about the old cardholder. It allows you to angle your cards from accidental view of those near you

@stewartsmalls2024

2 жыл бұрын

@@hopkinssm1 I feel like being an interior piece it would be easy to see other players cards. The fan only works when you keep cards near your body as every 5 year old will remind you. It should be an exterior piece except then the curve is funky and backwards. Better a square piece with a card placement curve. Maybe add an indent or felt for a draw pile or for non-fan card use?

Agreed, MGT Tool Bar sounds great. Either that or something like "The MGT Utility Bar", like Batmans Utility Belt. One bar for all your gaming and entertainment needs.

I love how when they're talking about how unclear the trough is for its purpose it's like... Sirs, you are describing a table

Talking to the camera is good and natural at this point for many of the folks you film so just do it. If the goal was to make viewers feel as present at the meetings as possible, it is a natural addition.

Watching you guys riffing on table accessories is seriously fucking compelling! I’m fully invested at this point.

Always enjoy a Dale cameo, where he appears to be the level headed expert in everything.

Love the concept of the like "utility tray" type piece, I can definitely see myself using it as a way of allowing certain players to have tablets or laptops out along with housing dice, pencils, sheets, spell cards, minis... Really versatile

Tray of holding. Junk bunk. Clutter caddy. Kit catcher. Hobby tray. I love this channel so much, happy holidays!

I agree with Doug about the tray. I immediately went "Oooooo."

The Hobby Tray/Gaming Trough is a BIG WIN, that screams being a standard accessory purchase for EVERYONE because of how useful it is in so many ways. I love when yall just work the problems out like this!

As soon as Doug mentioned quilting I could suddenly see so many more uses for the ‘trough’, like puzzle piece sorting and sewing or painting tools. Expanding out of gaming uses is a great idea and I loved the name hobby tray.

the long cut of repeated clips of dale turning over the trough is so good

I love that Bennett has a well thought out reasonable answer for every question Doug asks. He's stellar!

I have gotten so much better at communicating in my business just by watching you guys brainstorm in these videos. Thank you guys for being willing to show the process

As a fellow business owner it is great to watch working through problem solving. Great communication and more importantly listening skills on your team.

Loved watching Dale running the production possibilities thru in his head and you could tell he was already considering what problems the machine would give him with such tight tolerances : )

my heart breaks for bennet when you nixed the tower after all his work- thats the design life tho

Not all that into RPG and tabletops (although I want to get into more of them in the future) but development of game tables like this has peaked my interest in recent months. But, as a product designer myself, I loooooooove watching others work through the creative process and how ideas turn from concepts to final products. Keep this content up, its really compelling.

That tower looks great and has an interesting purpose, to turn and roll into various table accessories, but to me, it doesn't seem like a Wyrmwood product. If it was stand-alone, like the other tower, and still able to add more height, I think it could be great.

@gambloortoo

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Another option, though I don't know how cohesive it would be for the whole system, is to create a stacking "riser" that goes underneath the base of the tower that allows people to raise the tower up to the level required to roll into one of the rail-mounted rolling trays. Then the tower assembly just sits inside the table vault.

@clayw1656

2 жыл бұрын

It feels like an eyesore, it just hanging over the space like that.

Loved the narrative arc for Bobby in this video. 0:26 Bobby: I'm on the design team now? Doug: Uh.....we don't really have an option 12:12 Doug: Bobby got it [...] Gold star for Bobby! Bobby: Ding! :-D

I'd call it the BFT(Big F*cking Tray)

as a factory worker, I am so glad to see you consulting the guys who will have to build stuff when you need to. far too often places fail to consider ease of manufacture in there product designs.

I think with the “hobby tray” it could definitely have steps milled into a single piece of lumber, like what they were talking about at the very end of the video. However, one thing I would look into would be two steps of milling so it has the tongue to hook into the accessory rail, the shelf itself would be flush with the top of the edge to maximize usable real estate, which could also minimize the amount hangin over the game space. And the magnetic sides could hook over the table edge and extend all the way to the outer edge of the table.

Given how players store things on it and look over it to see the game or “battlefield”, I think it should be called the *Player Rampart* .

The word "Pocket" comes to mind when I look at the trough. If you're going to make it more specific to gamers, you could call it the Modular Gaming Pocket (MGP). If you're going with a generic/everything utilization, you could call it the Hobby Pocket. Hobbiest Pocket or Hobbiest Hole could work too. Hobbiest Nook Gamers Hollow Modular Gaming Hollow (MGH)

I’d buy one just to have a extended surface to place manuals, instead of draping off the rails.

I like Bobby's suggested change to the craft utility tray. When Doug was extolling it's uses I was sitting there going "yeah it's useful but it's way to tall, it will get in the way of accessing the table surface". Cut it down to about a lip that's about the width of a pencil and it will do everything you need it to do, without getting more in the way of actually using the table.

Hey guys, A+ on your brainstorming process. You work well together. Now I'm going to look at your whole product line, because I know you put a lot of thought into developing it.

When I ordered my table I thought the player desks were too big for my use, and hard to get to play table for shorter players/kids. I was thinking of making something exactly like that trough. That's exactly the accessory I'm looking for. It also should have card slots, a few accessory cut outs, pen slot, etc. And maybe an accessory slot on the outside so it could set into the inside rail and then still have another tray or accessory on the outside. I wonder if that is too much torque to support. Very interesting, but with or without rail, that's what I'm looking for.

@stewartsmalls2024

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Nix the 5 accessories placed together and make the one board truly multi-functional…including a dice tower base!

I’m sure I’m not the only one who was checking out the wood in the background and dreaming of things you could do with it if you had access to their shop. Also memories came back to when I got to rearrange the stock shelving in our shop, it’s identical to WW’s stock shelves

The Hobby Trough would be great for DMs who might want to put up a DM screen or something and have space for minis and things.

I like the "Table Trough". It's like the "Game Deck" for players instead of the DM. The "Game Deck" provides enough room for the DM screen and all their DM supplies while the, what I'll call the "Game Deck Mini", provides the room needed by players for their dice tray, towers, reference books, and note taking.

That Dale sequence at the end was so well played. I went on that journey.

Ya know what would be cool to go along with the Gaming Trough piece? Painting Minis and using that to hold my paint pots, brushes water cup etc.

I think Bobby nailed it twice there. One solid piece and calling it the tool bar is great. Maybe you can even sell felt / leather inserts that fit the inner area

The love the game trough, even the name. As a GM especially, it's always better to have large, flat areas that are reasonably hidden from players. I think a card line along the top would be great. You could display stuff on index cards like character names, initiative order, etc.

Like the idea of Wyrmwood Work Tray (Shelf) but (as its modular) lessen the width. In a similar thought to the hex tray holder, could you have shelves that are themselves modular and have ends. Also mean you could introduce different types etc.

Doug is 100% on the long tray, my wife and i were both all about that to go with our Liliput. Shes a Knitter and instantly came up with a ton of ideas for it, and told me a few uses for myself too, i would absolutely get that if it went into production

I don't even own a WW table and the tray thing is an awesome idea. Especially its ability to snap on the outside edge of the table. That gives you a perfect place for decks and resources that clutter the play area. Perfect place for snacks as well!

I think Bobby hit the name first shot; The MGT Toolbar, or something along those lines. You can use it as a general wide tabletop surface, whether you're a DM wanting a open platform, or you're a player with lot of individual components. A reason to keep the back lip higher might be to explore the option of allowing other MGT modules to clip on, facing whomever is using it; if you don't need to use all of the space, you can attach the specialized modules, facing you. That doubles the name "Toolbar"; you can add whatever apps/widgets to a computer toolbar, or leave it blank.

I love seeing the business development side of things. When Doug flipped over the dial tray it made me think "oh man, that would be badass if one accessory had two features depending on the orientation." Considering modularity, I think that would be a compelling idea that would both reduce the number of individualized items for yall to create while giving the customer a great sense of value. Why not have the divet tray on one side and a cardholder on the other? I love all the unique ideas for accessories, but as Jason said, some of them are competing with other products or solving a problem that doesn't exist. I think the reverse side of the accessories is something that should be considered as usable space as well.

This trough is amazing!!!!! I love the versatility of it!!!

idea maybe: put a hole in that gaming trough, with a slanted ramp on the underside pointed to the middle of the table, , make the dice fall out of the bottom of the tower and through the trough onto the ramp that shoots the dice onto the table? Just throwing ideas out

I want the trough

tool bar is awesome, i like that it fits the player desk. It would also be a great mounting place for a DM screen instead of having to use the game deck or topper section. get all that stuff up out of the way so large maps can just be under it

So just got my Thief vault and tray, just wanted to say thanks to Wyrmwood and specifically DS and Jones as those are the names on the boxes, they turned out great, can't wait to put them through the paces over the holidays.

Everything Doug is pitching on the MGT accessories is all worth buying. The big add on could be used by people coming over and having their own dice trays, laptops, and dice towers to use while playing D&D. I can also see a DM using that in collab with the corner dice tray and swivel dice tower. That way a DM can have his dice off to the side and roll without having it all over his notes and paper work.

The large tray is nice but it feels like it's its own system in the making. You can have slots for coasters, a slot for cards, slots for containers for game bits, displays for miniatures, etc. I'd definitely love to see the next form of that shelf but it does feel like something "different" from the curved accessories.

The board of holding (I know it'd never happen but it amuses me.)

I really like the name 'Hobby Tray'...fits basically anything you can do with it. Also 2nd Bobby's point on keeping both cup holder forms.

I LOVE the trough idea, the versatility seems amazing.

Just binged watched all 9 seasons of Wyrmlife. I’m a bit sad now that I have to wait for episodes lol anyways keep up the great content guys. Merry Christmas! 🎅🏼

Grats Jason and grats Gus on being born. Big win!

Doug is 1000% correct about that gamer trough. I would LOVE that thing.

The greatest scene is n this episode was “The Dale Examination” lol 45 min later….. “Yeah” hahahaha

By the end of the weekend, I will have watched every single Wyrmlife video, and I started watching them 2 or so weeks ago (I think). Why do you ask? Well I started hoping to see a video on how Wyrmwood deals with wood movement, as it is the bane of my existence (new to woodworking), stayed because of Bobby, Doug, and Jason.

"The UtiliTray" - Also, you know what I plan to do at my MGT? Paint minis. Paint a whooollleeee lot of minis. So how about a painter's tray.. hold some paints, some brushes, lights, wet palette, all the bits and pieces that go with painting minis. Someone in that shop has to paint minis, ask them about it.

Alwyas loved this segment because you have Doug a family guy vs Bobby & Jason without children trying to figure out something meant more for anyone thats not them

stackable dice towers....i said before in the other video on them that you can sell stacks with different images engraved in them (upscale them). one stack can be heads, one stack can be torsos, one stack lower body. each side is a different image, so you can rotate each stack and create a unique monster. or create designs that mesh well no matter how you rotate the stacks.

I'd like to point out that even people who get a MGT would probably keep the toppers on for non-gaming related things rather than getting an additional toolbar. For gaming purposes it is kind of competing with the player desk system you already have.

@clayw1656

2 жыл бұрын

However, this shelf would be a good opportunity for those that don't want to buy the toppers....the cost of those toppers really made it difficult to purchase

@d_dave7200

2 жыл бұрын

Even with the topper, you could still put it on the outside for storage if you wanted.

The large tool tray should have the outside engraved like a stone castle, so when you add the dice tower it looks like a full on keep.

MGT/Modular Counter /Top maybe, saw in the comments the MGT Tool Bar but youtube refreshed the comments and it disappeared. MGT/Modular Top Deck has a half decent ring to it.

I like something like MGT Utility Tray. Calling it a Toolbar starts to give a connotation of what it's for, when its more versatile than just tools. Also, as someone who didn't buy the other modular accessories, I appreciate the non-funky shaped cup holders!

The "MGT Tool Bar" could comme with different inlay for those that want it flush with the table. You were talking about of taking appart a knife for maintenance. In could be useful to have an inlay or someting to secure the tiny screws or just making sure that things do not roll all over the place. Just some slot or holes that could be cut on the press for leather.

Bobby listing it's ambiguity, and actually selling the thing (even to himself!). No wonder he's in charge of marketing. I like the tool bar, I'm one of those guys who has a dumb amount of dice, and like three pencils, an extra eraser and maybe some extra minis. I also DM a lot, and man nothing sucks more than having your stuff fall off the table. There's so much more space needed for DMing, and it's nice to have something that keeps things close to hand, but also out of the way, without risking it falling into other stuff. Also, for painting or whatnot, having a little thing I could slot into the outside to hold paints, that wasn't putting my very fancy table at risk would be cool. Lots of applications outside of gaming.

the "tool bar" would be great for D&D people that use tablets and dont want to use a player desk. I personally would refer that over the player desk myself

@xicarus8141

2 жыл бұрын

Same, this would be wonderful for dms with laptops and dice!

The trough that sits flush with the rim of the table (MGT Toolbar) is S+ and by far the most exciting accessory I’ve seen. Toolbar is like the better implementation of the Game Deck (and in fact if you made the Toolbar in a couple of depths could replace the Deck entirely).

I swear I LOVE the editing on this show lololol!!!

Anything wargaming will love the hobby shelf thingy. Definitely will be buying those. Stat cards or extra models. It will be a must.

Love the looks into the design process

I dont own a gaming table or any wyrmwood products (yet), but the moment that tool table came out, all I could think about is the number of artists who would probably appreciate a proper surface area for them to draw while they play.