"That Doug Seal of Approval" a lot of good that did for Gold Sandstone.

@brucemaximus3797

2 жыл бұрын

Put away the flamethrower, you pyromaniac! You'll burn it all down!

@SparklySquares169

2 жыл бұрын

Damn! 👏😂

As a retailer, all the Gloomhavens come in with the depressed lid. No way around it.

@outcastedOpal

2 жыл бұрын

The box is just too heavy

@bobbytables4305

2 жыл бұрын

Magically KDM doesn't have this same problem and it weighs more... maybe develop a less shit box.

I love the true nerdiness of the interaction, "what's the publisher?" "lookout games." "f*** those guys" "OH? LOOKOUT GAMES? WHERE'S BEAR PARK" "OOOOHHHHHH"

@jeremystyves1363

2 жыл бұрын

That guy is definitely a nerd....

A custom Wyrmwood box would be an awesome way to sell a “Premium” Gloomhaven. It would at least let you use the damaged games for something.

@DanielEbeck

2 жыл бұрын

A custom box, with a proper insert... that'd sell.

@choochoobob123

2 жыл бұрын

Trogdor-esque?

A lot of boardgame shops (both online and brick and mortor) have a ding and dent option for selling games in case someone wants the game but wants a deal and doesn't care about the box's condition. I'd strongly recommend that so the games aren't just chucked somewhere. But I'm sure you guys thought of that or donating to a local game group or cafe or something. You guys think outside the box like that. Other games I'd recommend to fully utilize the trays you're bundling them with: Sheriff of Nottingham, Raiders of the North Sea, Whistle Mountain, Root, Flash Point Fire Rescue (Instead of Pandemic), Dinosaur World (if you can get ahold of it), Citadels is a classic, and Chocolate Factory by Alley Cat Games is where you have a Factory where you gain resources and cards to build your machine for making chocolate that has a literal conveyor belt running though it. Moving cocoa beans that turn into chocolate, then bars, then boxes of chocolate that you then sell to small, medium and large businesses for points. Great games all of them and they all have component that need trays, perfect fits for the bundle program.

@JeffreySquires

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, either offer a discount for "As Is" condition or donate to a cause.

@outcastedOpal

2 жыл бұрын

I had no idea.... imma check it out

@AlexInASmallTown

2 жыл бұрын

Meeplemart in Toronto quite literally has an entire room off their main floor just for damaged games. A lot of great deals to be found in the "Not quite perfect" section.

@speljester

2 жыл бұрын

love that scratch and dent discount. especially if there is no other recourse except to throw them out. Local library or gaming club at a HS or collage is also a nice place. The question is would you give them to a toy donation in that condition? I would cause it is a very big expensive game, but would ask to make sure it wasn't found to be disrespectful.

@ssu7653

2 жыл бұрын

There might be a problem with replacing the games if they also sell what they have "as is". Cant do anything until the company you buy from gives the OK, or you just accepted these at your full price... Think what happens when you buy something that dont work, you have to keep it in case the seller wants it returned or some form of documentations. Even if they end up telling you do throw it away or do whatever you want with it.

I do not think I have seen 1 intact "perfect" edition of Gloomhaven on store shelves. It is always smashed or indented or marked up. At first, I blamed the store(s) so avoided the game. Took me a while to realize it is due to shipping.

@outcastedOpal

2 жыл бұрын

I got 2 😁😁😁

@bencurths5654

2 жыл бұрын

That and the box is *not* sturdy at all. It's a lighter weight stock than that of most other games I own and flexes easily, something only made worse by the sheer size of the thing. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic and otherwise quality game, but the box is definitely a weak spot.

@Uduhno833

2 жыл бұрын

We bought the game from a store while it was still in the packaging it was shipped in and we had no issues with the box.

If Ed owns that many board games, why are we not inviting him to Game Night, Doug? Inquiring minds want to know.

As someone who works in shipping and receiving the amount of board games we get that are just absolutely thrashed is shocking

@CycFlame

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who loads the trucks for a ups shipping center, I'm shocked any boardgame, book, or otherwise even slightly fragile object makes it through shipping.

"I can say dirty things with my friends!" (...said with the same tone) is a perfect summation of Cards Against Humanity! Thank you!

Isle of Skye is a great game! Tons of replayability because the goals/victory conditions are randomized so no 2 games are the same. It's a ton of fun. We have all but Wingspan in our collection of around 150 games. We enjoy all of the games selected but Gloomhaven is one of our faves.

Feel like pandemic being low isn't because the game is bad or even current events, but because everyone already owns it

@alister3882

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe. Because we are leaving a real pandemic and no one wants to get a reminder of that. Hahaha

@twothirdsanexplosive

2 жыл бұрын

@@alister3882 IIRC pandemic sold really well at the beginning of pandemic when everyone started buying board games for the lock downs.

I'd like to point out that because of the board game video preceding this one (and my own research thereafter) I have boughten 3 copies of patchwork for family and friends who are couples. Unfortunately living in Thailand I couldn't pick it up off of you guys. The KZread algorithms have now tailored my viewing content so that most of my content consumption is now either board game reviews or full-on playthroughs. From not caring about boardgames, to literally watching people play the Dune boardgame for 9 hours in under week. Monster created.

When you spend your days placing workers, I can see why a worker-placement game wouldn't be your jam.

My main problem with basic Catan is they MSRP it at 55 for just 3-4, which is pushing it for what you get in the box, but charging 30 for two more players. For 50, I can get Lords of Waterdeep and have it support 5 out of the box.

Codenames is absolutely an amazing board game and I recommend anyone and everyone play it as soon as they can

0:30 quick expanation form a german. Spiel des Jahres (german, translated "game of the year") is a board game award given by critics to games that are innovative, original and well designed. A nomination usually pushes sales from a few hundret to 10K, a win will usually bring those sale numbers up into the millions. A few famous games who got the award in the past: Carcassonne (2001), Ticket to Ride (2004), Thurn and Taxis(2006), Keltis (2008), Dominion (2009), Dixit (2010) , Kingdom Builder (2012), codenames and Isle of Skye (2016), Wingspan (2019) The Award has been around since 1979, since 89 theres been a seperate award for Childrens Games and since 2011 theres the "Kritikerpreis" or connoisseurs prize which would translate to critics prize more accurately though, which is an award for more complex games.

@FantasKanal

2 жыл бұрын

On a different note: Boardgames are still huge in germany. My Family plays large Catan rounds every once in a while with the whole friends group, and the Spiel in Essen is the largest Convention for Board games in the world. Before the pandemic it had over 200K Attendees, and Wyrmwood was there in the past aswell if i remember correctly.

@patriciogarcia6804

2 жыл бұрын

Wingspan and Isle of Skye did not get the Spiel des Jahres awards rather they got the Kennerspiel des Jahres which is "connoisseur/expert game of the year". It is awarded at the same time as the Spiel des Jahres and started to be awarded in 2011. Every so often in one of the years there would be a "Special"award or mention which would be a game that didn't get the award that year because it didn't fit the category properly for Spiel des Jahres. Often these games that would get special award or mentions would be heavier strategy games. Agricola received this award/mention back in 2008. The Kennerspiel de Jahres was created to separate that special award/mention given to heavier strategy games into its own Award and seal.

Isle of Skye is a great game. Surprising how much depth and tactics you can have in just 6 rounds of collecting a few tiles. It’s at 20 plays for me in my collection of 500 base games.

Gloomhaven boxes, its a known issue. The box cannot stand up to the weight and volume inside, everyone's disintegrates whether at purchase or after a dozen sessions. Everyone tries to figure out storage. Maybe if you can't return them, try to make lemonade and design a Storage-Chest/Box and ship everything inside of that. Upsell people on it.

We need an episode of a boardgame counting battle between Jeremy and Ed to see who has the larger collection.

I would love to have a segment or episode where Ed and Jeremy give suggestions and ratings of some of their favourite board games!

Doug: "We should sell games along with our gaming accessories." Also Doug: "Every boardgame we sell except one is garbage." I'm surprised you decided on Codenames, which has like zero components in need of wooden accessories...?

re: Gloomhaven - the thing is Gloomhaven really isn't a dungeon crawler, it's a euro-game inhabiting the corpse of a dungeon crawler & moving it like a puppet. The mechanics are disconnected from the theme IMO. Not a bad game, but definitely not for everyone. Re: Catan - Actually, I don't own a copy LOL. It's in a weird sweetspot where everyone assumes you already have the base game, so stores only stock the expansions/spinoffs, & not appealing enough to me that I've gone out of my way to acquire it beyond impulse purchase at the local bookstore.

@jenaparsons

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with everything here and I absolutely love Gloomhaven :) As a Eurogamer it’s the only “dungeon crawler” I really like beside something like Wildlands by Martin Wallace if that counts

@RoseWither

2 жыл бұрын

I don't either, I just play my friends copy

You could always offload your copies of GH as ding and dent for x% off. The game itself will be fine.

Can we see an episode of you guys playing some of the games? I think it would be entertaining especially if it's Doug playing a game he hates

Spiel des Jahres is pronounced "Shpeel des yar-es" (roughly). It's German for "The Game of the Year" (edit: helps if I say game instead of mirror)

@scprivat9519

2 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't it be the "Spiel des Jahres" i.e. the game of the year, insteas of the "Spiegel des Jahres" i.e. the mirror of the year?

@Mike_Hogsheart

2 жыл бұрын

and "Der Spiegel" (the mirror) is a large German newspaper, which is probably where Doug got the word Spiegel instead of Spiel.

@charlestimko

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike_Hogsheart Yea, I was reading it while watching and completely mashed that up.

If anything, you could sell the damaged Gloom Haven sets at a discounted price. Like, maybe 20% off. Honestly, they didn't look that bad and as long as everything inside is undamaged, it should be okay. Or hell, donate them to local schools or game shops. I just hate to see them go to waste.

@FurrerIsTom

2 жыл бұрын

Probably being returned to the distributor for credit

2:00 in and I see Sagrada!! My favorite game!

THANK YOU!! Somebody finally said it! Thank you Doug! Curse Against Humanity is a bottom-tier waist of cardboard. Literally any ounce of creativity or ingenuity in your answer, will ultimately be completely dismissed for whatever card has something even remotely sexual on it. And on those rare few occasions when no one gets a card saying "Throbbing Dong", the second runner-up is whoever has the poop joke card. God I hate these "judge your own rounds" low effort, self-balancing card games.

@LdHrothgar

2 жыл бұрын

Get funnier friends...

@VagabondTE

2 жыл бұрын

@@LdHrothgar Tryin.. My friends are so BORING

@little_valkyrie

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on who you play it with. I tend to go for "horrifyingly dark and effed up" rather than just sexual jokes, and I win it a lot.

@VagabondTE

2 жыл бұрын

@@little_valkyrie That's how I try to play but I lose the "throbbing dong" every time because my friends are boring and stupid

@teagan_p_999

2 жыл бұрын

They're great as "fillers" for when you're waiting for people to show up to play real games.

It's cool yall are doing bundles, I have most of these, here are games that typically do really well with my groups I'll try my best to match your difficulty rating system Difficulty Hard: Terraforming Mars, Root, Nemesis (gets a ton of play at our local game store) Difficulty Medium: The Quacks of Quedlinburg (Spiel Winner), Clank! Difficulty Easy: Just One (Spiel Winner), Azul (Spiel Winner)

Our collection (my husband is my gaming buddy) is probably around 120 base games. We’ve had more in the 4 years we’ve been married that have since been culled. From that our shelf of shame is 4 games I believe so we play most of those. Our baby is turning 2 in January and getting his first board game as a birthday present- My First Orchard by HABA. Soo excited :)

Lords of Waterdeep was pretty fun the 2 or 3 times I played it. Wife and I want to expand our collection, this is insightful.

Spiel des Jahres = Game of the year in german. We Germans love boardgames. There is a really big community here

The idea of gloomhaven in a wormwood box is great. This would be really a value add.

Sushi Go!!!! Not really board games but I’d like to see BANG! and Bohnanza in stock

@HonestAuntyElle

2 жыл бұрын

Bang is great but hard to find sometimes ( assuming you mean the card game) but I'm not sure what you would bundle it with

CARDS AGAINST HUMANITY: best thing to come out of that is the guy on tiktok who's cat selects the answer cards when he reads the question card. it's pretty fun.

Isle of Skye is a FANTASTIC game

Snare drum was hilarious!

Anyone else want to see Ed's collection now

I actually went to Uni with the guy who founded Lookout Games 25 years ago. He was a translator for MagicThe Gathering into German at the time (he did the flavor texts, another guy did the rules).

Me and my 400+ game collection hearing these guys get shocked by a 200 game collection… 😬😳😂

@thomasst.martin2522

2 жыл бұрын

I have about 100-125 games and have only really started collecting 2 years ago. How do these guys only have 200 games? Unless they don’t ever go on Kickstarter for personal stuff. I might only have 5 games if I stayed away.

@Tsotanga2

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasst.martin2522 With 934 games, I know my issue is game expansions (especially w/ mini games like Legion/x-wing). It looks *slightly* better when you only count base games: 337

@thomasst.martin2522

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tsotanga2 that’s true. CMON loves expansions. 12-15 boxes that I have are for 4 games and I didn’t get the expansions for one of those games yet.

Missed an opportunity to call it the “Doug Speigel”

Something I would recommend for the sketch pens are maybe a lightish blue led one too, I live using light blue pencils to sketch out my starter Idea then go over with grey and then ink the final verson, then its ready for colour or to get added to the pc if you don't have a fancy drawing screen tablet

Wyrmwood needs to come up with their own game based on the business and crazy Ed.

I love the response to the damaged box question. " I wouldnt care, but im not sending that to a customer" I also wouldnt care, as long is it holds shit and i can still play im happy. HOWEVER its great to know that individuals within the company, and not just the company itself, who take pride in not giving their customer an even slightly inferior product.

Like CAH for two reasons really: 1) Making custom decks. A discord I'm in made a Witcher deck a couple of years ago that is hilarious and filled with fandom in-jokes. 2) I'm apparently really good at it. XD I have a very dark sense of humour that works well with it. People who have played with me quickly work out that the most horrifying and effed up cards are probably mine. BONUS: I once had the greatest card pair for the Aussie version. Black card: Crikey! I've never seen such a beautiful _______ before! Let's get a closer look. White card: Stingray bard through the chest aka: How to get a group of Aussie teenagers shrieking in horror

I need some Wyrmwood organizer and game accessories for all the Kickstarter boxes of Tainted Grail. Maybe a way to get all the minis in good protection and condense the boxes down.

"Spiel des Jahres" is just german for "Game of the Year"

My board game collection is small, but the boxes they come in are HUGE and many. Just games like Relic, Battlestar Galactica, and now Arean the Contest take up entire shelves on their own. I have just a handful of 'smaller' ones (like Tokaido) and even card games like Fluxx. (The Firefly and Monty Python ones are fun). I even have a 30-year-old Star Trek collectible chess set, for when I just want a true 'old school' game.

I bought Patchwork during your Black Friday sale. I'm giving it to my Godmother for Christmas because she is an avid quilter.

Based on the dice not sure if the Doug seal of approval is worth as much as he thinks it is

I'm shocked that a company that makes board game tables has one of the co-founders surprised by a 200+ board game collection. That's honestly the norm, I would say. Mine is around 80 and even I feel like I'm falling behind in all the new releases.

I've got a lot of damn boardgames too. Kudos to Ed.

Jaws of the Lion is practically a prequel to the main Gloomhaven. You can take your hero from JotL once done with the campaign and move them into Gloomhaven. As for good games, Word on the Street is a fun word game for folks who enjoy scoring high for knowing words but hate not drawing the right tiles in Scrabble. UnMatched is a fun and flavorful combat game that you can pick and choose who fights who (with Marvel releases coming out soon). Then there are the Living Card Games from FFG, Lord of the Rings, and Arkham Horror. Both offer engaging campaign play with cooperative mechanics.

If you can get your hands on it, I would definitely suggest "Starfarers of Catan". It is quite unknown but in my eyes really awesome. (I think I once saw it in the background of a wyrmwood episode)

Sell the reject Gloomhavens at a big discount. I'd totally pick up a 30% or 40% off Gloomhaven - I get that it's like 8kg of board game but it's rediculously priced compared to alternatives that could fill my wallet, shelf and time!

@alwaysplaythegame

2 жыл бұрын

Regardless of their decision... just buy it if you have anyone to play with. It's worth it, easily.

I find it so funny how they pronounce Spiel des Jahres. 😂 German with American accent is hilarious. 😉

you will have no trouble offloading those ding & dent gloomhaven copies

I picked up a copy of Gloomhaven, unopened from a guy who bought it and never played it, for $60 and it was in better condition than those. Sell them at a discount as scratch and dent or something. My other great score was a copy of Pandemic for $1 at goodwill. Surprisingly I don't own Catan so I'll keep an eye out for a bundle.

I've been a board game person for a long time but I finally started building a collection this year. It's very small but I'm extremely happy. Just got the HeroQuest Mythic Edition which is my shining jewel at the center.

Catan's one of those games where everyone i know has it, but I still don't. Would totally pick it up bundled with some tiles, but I don't see that option on the website? Did that sell out?

Lmao it's cause everyone already owns Splendor 🤣 Absolute classic

Over 200 titles at home, over 200 titles at work. That's my collections.

I'll take one of those damage Gloomhavens off your hands. I'll even pay for it.

I'm fairly new to tabletop stuff, and I was really excited that there was a game called Bear in Park, and now I'm very disappointed there isn't

"Spiel des Jahres" (the seal) is German and says "Game of the Year" :D

The "Spiel des Jahres" Award just means "Game of the year" in German

I would die a happy man if you guys made an affordable box insert for Mage Knight (preferably the ultimate edition).

I love board games. My friends and I play a new/different board game every week if not playing dnd. Now I want to find out more about gloomhaven and maybe have a new birthday gift for them.

Pretty sure Isle of Skye and Barenpark were Mayfair games before they got bought out. IP was then sold off to Lookout Games

Sushi roll is a great game too. As well as being on brand for wyrmwood

Patchwork IS a great couples game!! And now I want to try Gloomhaven and Codenames!

Doug: "I've beat Gloomhaven" Also Doug: "I don't like learning new games"

So I literally just bought gloomhaven from a black friday deal so I have only done the first scenario. A tile bundle tailored for gloomhaven is almost an instant buy but I don't want to buy that huge game all over again. Are the tiles part of the bundles going to be a stand alone option as well or only the games?

So most of these games are in the collection that my circle of friends have. I own lords of waterdeep...with the expansion and with the broken token set so it all fits in one box. Great game if you don't have it your missing out. I love worker placement games but this is the one I keep coming back to.

Doug on Catan's extension: I do not believe in this, people should not buy these. 🤔 Isnt the whole purpouse of MGT tables to be modular so you can extend what you already have 👀🤣 further more, MGT has accesories that EXTEND the functionality of the table 🤭 so same principle lmao (cherry on top: AFAIK Doug is the VP of MGT...the irony)

Terraforming Mars is pretty good.

I have barely any board games beyond a couple classics like chess, checkers, Scrabble, and Monopoly. My living situation is such that I have no where to host friends for a game night, and all of our schedules are so ridiculous that the folks I would play with often don't have time.

next wyrmlife should be Doug playing Isle of Skye

Dungeon Mayhem & card hex tiles FTW

Spiel des Jahres literally is just „game of the year“ in german

I'd buy a beat up Gloomhaven for a discount. I feel like the box is so heavy it's not possible to fully avoid any box damage.

I've asked this once, and I'll ask it again. When are we getting pens?!? I want a Wyrmwood pen, please! kk thnx!

I would happily take a discounted busted up gloomhaven. I really really want to try that game but its so expensive I cant condone spending that much without playing first. Also saw you guys at pax this weekend was so happy to see an MGT table for the first time and am now even more excited for mine to come in

I’m gonna say dirty words with my friends! Lmao

Ding and Dent Sale! It works.

Doug's statement about CAH is not wrong. I still like playing it though. I might just be a dirty old man. But its also not all dick jokes either. It's just a lot of fun so long as you don't over do it :D

I know of Waterdeep from watching Tabletop, hehe, 'Domesticate the Owlbears' Any of you in the shop play 'Betrayal at House on the Hill'?

I'd take a crap box gloomhaven

As a German, it's very funny to me watching some Americans try to pronounce "Spiel des Jahres", which simply means "(board)game of the year".

Every board game store I've been to , has had at least one (if not all) of the gloomhaven lids depressed. It's just a very heavy game and the lids don't seem to like being shipped there just isn't much you can do about it.

Yo I will definitely take a damaged gloom haven any day. No way I can justify buying a full priced one haha

I would take a damaged box of Gloomhaven for a discount but yeah, something like that would get returned if you were Amazon. ;p

I like board games. A better dungeon crawl for kids if Doug wants to try to get the kids into gaming would be adventure tactics! Great level up mechanics! Fun game. A game that could really use a wyrmwood bundle is Concordia! Lots of pieces! Great replayability!

CAH had its time in the sun. Yet, like all comedy, it was a thing of its time

Dougie was confrontational today 😳

Why are they not talking about Quacks of Quedlinburg. That could use quite a lot of accessories and it is awesome.

If I had the money, I would buy everyone of those games. Including CATAN since I have yet to purchase it. I would also buy Gloomhaven with the box in that condition due to my kids already denting all my board game boxes. It is just pre dented. Sadly, I am not able to purchase even one right now. Kids Christmas comes first. Merry Christmas all and Happy Holidays.

I love board games my family loves board games, it’s great.

Ninja Division Super Dungeon games are amazing!

i wouldnt mind buying such a copy of gloomhaven. just not for full price