5 mins later, I'm even more confused about what constitutes a balk than before. Thanks.

@Chino-Kafu

5 жыл бұрын

Me to thought a balk was the pitcher lets a runner advance a base. Im confused.

@rootsgrassusa

4 жыл бұрын

superque4 feel bad for you.

@colejordan9393

4 жыл бұрын

星が欲しい。。。 that's known as an Intentional balk. It is very uncommom

@NicholasLashway

4 жыл бұрын

I better not watch then😂😂

@user-vdjxbwkskbc

4 жыл бұрын

Same

It's a very simple concept, so simple a pre-schooler could understand it. You see, a balk is when the pitcher

@transeeyou885

4 жыл бұрын

its not cool to take a break before finishing you sentence man. we still waitting

@jorgec2233

4 жыл бұрын

@@transeeyou885 its ok what he was trying to explain is how

@itistime467

4 жыл бұрын

@Marconfire - *it's Commonly used to shorten the expression "It is". That'll be $10 please. You'll notice I used "That'll" which is short for "That will". Another twn fucking dollars please.

@Crafty1617

4 жыл бұрын

Fender Jaguar ten* do I get $10?

@TheDudeMaaaan

4 жыл бұрын

So its been almost a year

A balk is something no umpire can describe but he knows it when he sees it.

@adrianblood652

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao, I remember when I was young and in an allstar tournament, I was pitching and this ump called a balk on me probably 5 or 6 times in a game, so I finally asked him "what do you consider a balk" and I ended up more confused than before I asked. Literally couldnt even explain to me what he considered a balk

@philipchampion566

3 жыл бұрын

No, it's the opposite. It's something they can describe but they don't know it when they see it !

@johannesswillery7855

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipchampion566 Would you mind sharing the link where a professional umpire describes the balk?

@philipchampion566

3 жыл бұрын

@@johannesswillery7855 I would, but I buried them all.

@johannesswillery7855

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipchampion566 Good Lord! I coached 13 to 15 year olds for several years and the best I could do was to teach them to step off the rubber before doing anything else but throw to the plate. I came to the conclusion that it was merely a subjective observation by the umpire because no two of them saw it the same way.

Simply put, a balk is when you balk.

@ryantruell9434

3 жыл бұрын

I like the hocks to

@ryantruell9434

3 жыл бұрын

Hawks

@MrShanester117

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s so simple. That’s why absolutely nobody can ever agree on it

@Greatest_Ali

3 жыл бұрын

Finally! Someone who gets it!

@dynamic_dogs

3 жыл бұрын

Well yes, but actually yes

It’s easy guys. A balk is when you, when your foot steps back and, well actually it can step . . . okay so a balk is when the pitcher moves, but not, uh, so when he’s looking at, when he’s NOT supposed to step . . . a balk is when you’re about to not, uh, when the balk is in play. No wait, uh. Okay listen the balk is after the batter has, well okay so you know how prohibited movement is based on . . . no the pitcher looks away from the . . . Let me start over. After the balk you don’t want to, well okay let me explain the balk first actually, so the balk is when the, uh not after the pitch but before the . . . no wait it’s before a pitcher has to, okay so like think of a foul but then, so take the foul lines out of the foul, but um . . . Wait hold on, actually the balk has . . . no it hasn’t, nevermind. A balk is three fundamental parts: 1. The balk 2. The . . . balk? 3. No wait hang on, it’s more like . . . Okay so 3. 1. The step 3. 2. Hold on no no wait a balk is, uh . . .

@KMcNally117

2 жыл бұрын

Classic Jon Bois

@MelVande

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@Innuya

2 жыл бұрын

@@KMcNally117 BALK RULES! IMPORTANT! 1. You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2. Do not do a balk please

Awesome explanation. I'm now more confused which is amazing because I wasn't even confused before this I just had no idea what a balk was.

@roberthudson1959

3 жыл бұрын

Neither do a whole lot of people. In fact, MLB finally gave up and made a fake throw to third a balk because too many people thought that it already was.

@brendonbuffaloe8830

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberthudson1959 If he turns and throws it to first after that, do you know if it’s still a balk? Same for lefties with 1st-3rd

@math3matics

Жыл бұрын

@@roberthudson1959 I know it's been two years, but fake throw after stepping forward or backward off the rubber and in what order with the feet?

@math3matics

Жыл бұрын

@@brendonbuffaloe8830 Isn't that move meant to try to get the runner on third to run and not becuase it stops the fake throw from being a balk? The pitcher has to step behind the rubber to do that. If a RHP did a sweep move fake to first, that would be a balk.

Balk Rules 1) You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2) Do not do a balk please.

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

There aren't balk rules per se, just a list of legal actions and a list of illegal actions and prescribed penalties (almost all of them are listed under balk)

@lobster272

6 жыл бұрын

I'm aware. It's a joke.

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

Oh. Sorry. I'm blind. Yes that's funny.

@MarshallWebbJr

6 жыл бұрын

This is freaking awesome

@JonahLoeb

6 жыл бұрын

Like everything else good on the internet, this was created by Jon Bois.

These guys really enjoy taking every opportunity to play catch in their cute, little baseball field, wearing their fancy-ass clothes and polished shoes.

@mrwasgehtsiedasan3278

3 жыл бұрын

I would do too

@KJ-ej6vi

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you?

@muddro420

2 жыл бұрын

do you suppose it would be less pathetic if they had uniforms

@davidduranmorales550

2 жыл бұрын

Just like you enjoy taking every opportunity to write a stupid comment through your phone, computer, etc with pj's at home

This is the worst explanation of anything that I've ever heard in my entire life.

@howdareyou41

2 жыл бұрын

all 3 literally disagree on what a balk is

@justinskywalker

2 жыл бұрын

That first example of the throw over to first where he just turns his foot away from the rubber was then argued later that he had to step behind the rubber. They don't even know what a balk is.

@michaelwesten1764

2 жыл бұрын

Stepping forward off the rubber is the pitch, you have to commit/throw or it's a "feint"/balk. Stepping back is legal, if you want to "ice" the batter and step back and throw off his groove, that's ok.

@Rzo139

2 жыл бұрын

Just see old guys trying to relive their younger years with that setup their using in that studio.

@robertbrown7470

4 ай бұрын

@@howdareyou41They aren't umpires.

In short, a balk is whatever the umpires say it is, which varies from day to day and how much they like/dislike the pitcher.

@scottj18

5 жыл бұрын

No way. A balk is an intentional or unintentional move that can serve as a desception to the runner.

@rizon72

5 жыл бұрын

@@scottj18 That's the rule, but enforcement is more like how DroverChicago described it.

@andrewbean24.2

4 жыл бұрын

Wow if allen iverson was a pitcher, steve javie would call balk before he hits the mound

@janseyveloz8515

4 жыл бұрын

Haaaahahahaha!! I'll keep with this one.

You can clearly see at 0:09 he didn't balk, therefore it wasn't a balk. You see, if he had done a balk it would have been a balk, but since he didn't balk, it wasn't a balk. As a pitcher, it is 100% legal for you to not balk, however the second you balk, it's a balk.

@buba4267

Жыл бұрын

That made my head hurt

@Zaxious

Жыл бұрын

It was a balk once you pick a base to throw somebody out you have ti stick to it

@cmd2973

Жыл бұрын

Dude what are you balking about you literally balk out of your ass. Ya balkhead.

@intsoccersuperstar1

Жыл бұрын

Ah so you were the guy sitting behind me at the game last night

i thought i was dumb that I couldn't understand what is a balk, until i saw the comments and realized they actually have poor explanation

Well done, gentlemen, thanks to your inarticulate jabbering I have learned nothing at all from this segment.

@JM-yv3mh

5 жыл бұрын

That's because the network fired all the good analysts last year. Thank you, ESPN

@macanoodough

5 жыл бұрын

That's because you're stupid. I mean, if you don't get it, why would post? Why advertise your stupidity?

@jimmytooley1076

5 жыл бұрын

It was very very clear, if the pitcher steps behind the mound he becomes an infielder therefore he is able to do whatever he wants. However, if he does not step behind that still makes him a pitcher which means that he must throw to first base or it will be a balk

@jaydesrochers3276

5 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Tooley I support umpires 100% and did it myself at various levels for twenty years. However, I believe they got it right initially but then blew it when thy changed it. Yes he becomes an infielder when he steps off..but stepping off is a distinct move. It’s like when a pitcher steps off and turns to first..TWO distinct moves. This was one move, which constitutes a balk..never should have been changed.

@aaa-pj7ks

5 жыл бұрын

@@jimmytooley1076 I feel your reply makes the video more clear.

Rule 6.02 (a) If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when: (1) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery; (2) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first or third base and fails to complete the throw; (3) The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base; (4) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play; (5) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; (6) The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter; (7) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitcher's plate; (8) The pitcher unnecessarily delays the game; (9) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher's plate or while off the plate he feints a pitch; (10) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base; (11) The pitcher, while touching his plate, accidentally or intentionally has the ball slip or fall out of his hand or glove; (12) The pitcher, while giving an intentional base on balls, pitches when the catcher is not in the catcher's box; (13) The pitcher delivers the pitch from the Set Position without coming to a stop; The pitcher may not take a second step toward home plate with either foot or otherwise reset his pivot foot in his delivery of the pitch. If there is a runner, or runners, on base it is a balk under rule 6.02(a)(5); if the bases are unoccupied it is an illegal pitch under rule 6.02(b) hopefully, this will explain the rule to those who THINK they know better than the umpires!!

@hainsay

3 жыл бұрын

Can't (9) be simplified quite a bit? Feints a pitch while being either on or off of the plate?

@albundy6008

3 жыл бұрын

@@hainsay that is how it is written in the official rule book.

@tylerolson3261

3 жыл бұрын

(6) THERE WILL BE NO TOMFOOLERY IN THIS BASES-BALL OF OURS. NO FOPDOODLES WILL RUN AROUND PITCHING BACKWARDS, YOU HEAR?

@albundy6008

3 жыл бұрын

@@tylerolson3261 do you have an English translation for that?

@dgaubin

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, so a "balk" can only be committed IF there is/are (a) baserunner(s). See other parts of rule 6.02 for what constitutes an illegal pitch when there are no baserunners.

This video is interesting, but the title is misleading. This video is detailed information about a balk, but it doesn't give basic, foundational info!

@xtote

6 жыл бұрын

foldupbed Tue that

@LetTheWritersWrite

5 жыл бұрын

That's because no one really knows what a balk is lol

@brady13001

5 жыл бұрын

foldupbed he’s also wrong. And they lied about what Shields did. Shields actually stepped towards 3rd first on the pickoff with his back leg. You can’t do that because you need to gain ground with your back foot. That’s in pro ball. In college pitchers get away with putting there back foot up slightly and putting it down before they throw to first. In college that’s legal in pro ball it isn’t. Shields did balk on this play the umpires got it wrong when they overturned this.

@johncronin9540

5 жыл бұрын

Matthew N It looks like a balk to me. Unfortunately, none of the replays clearly show the rubber, and the pitcher’s foot in relation to the rubber. Given that, I don’t see how you can overturn the original call. While the rules can be confusing, the reason for the rule is intent to deceive the runner. And that’s what this action looks like. To step off, you have to completely step back off the rubber. Again, the replay doesn’t clearly show the rubber and his foot’s position with regard to the rubber. So the original call on the field should stand.

@brady13001

5 жыл бұрын

John Cronin I completely agree

Say “clear the rubber” one more time

Without a clear view of the rubber, this discussion is worthless. Sorry guys. Looks like you enjoyed this.

@JSchaffer214

4 жыл бұрын

His foot is on the back right rubber behind the plate. I'm not sure what the other guys is so adamant it's not because I can see it plain as day. Then again, I have excellent vision (it's actually the only thing I have that excellent, I'm damn near deaf and can't smell much)

@marbanak

4 жыл бұрын

@@JSchaffer214 Thanks for the rebound. You're right! The view provided at 4:29 shows that back step clearly behind the rubber. What a boss move!

I watched hundreds of MLB compilations of balks and the one thing I know for sure is that there's no defining characteristic of a balk. The umpires call it when they want TV time

@brendonbuffaloe8830

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@omieg89

2 жыл бұрын

The NBA version of the balk where nobody understands it is the lane violation during FTs.

@muddro420

2 жыл бұрын

It's not that there is no defining characteristic, it's that there are too many.

@kaelthewise

2 жыл бұрын

It’s such a simple rule to understand but they suck at explaining stuff

That would be a dope kickball field

Need overhead perspective. No camera angles show foot position.

Y'all are missing a "t" in the title.

@joerandom

6 жыл бұрын

A Well Built Taco I just noticed that

@brownsfan6447

6 жыл бұрын

Nice catch

@pkmr5284

5 жыл бұрын

90% of the people who post KZread videos are HOOORRRRRIIIBBBLLLLLEEEEEE with their titles; it's like second graders posting!!

@wetbook71

5 жыл бұрын

Portends the explanatory quality of the video itself.

@brianboley870

5 жыл бұрын

@@pkmr5284 Calm yourself

I love watching these “balk” videos. They make me feel less stupid about my (lack of) baseball knowledge. I know a balk when I see one….sometimes

When I was in high school, I could never steal 2nd from a left handed pitcher. Nothing to do with the video. Just telling my little story.

@ryanmcgoldrick8499

4 жыл бұрын

Our rule was if a lefty throws over on you, break for 2nd no matter what. The idea was that if they can execute 2 throws on you, then you don't have any business stealing bases anyway.

@jacobjones5269

4 жыл бұрын

Richard_Head Pros are good at bringing the knee in, but in high school or lower leagues just wait for the right foot to cross the plain of the left knee, because the pitcher must come home when that happens.. And that’s a split second before the foot starts to rotate..

Am I the only one still confused?????

@aidanc3536

5 жыл бұрын

Not at all

@kingsosa6493

4 жыл бұрын

Its simple guys...a balk is when a pitcher

@LplusRatioplusNobodyCares

4 жыл бұрын

Balks are different for righties and lefties. In Shields’ case(righty). He physically has to move his back foot behind the rubber before committing a pick off move. Which in the video he seems to do just barely

@hyperbomb02

4 жыл бұрын

@@LplusRatioplusNobodyCares stepping off is different from pick off moves. Righty pitcher to first: once set, the pitcher can't make any deceiving motions, no flinching, nothing like that. He can either step off, deliver to the plate, or make a pick off attempt. The pick off attempt doesn't require a step off. Lefty pitcher to first: more or less the same as above, except if a lefty pitcher makes a pick off attempt without stepping forwards first base with their lead foot, it's a balk. The move in question here is a step-off requires the pitcher to put his foot behind the rubber, before moving from his set, which the pitcher is making his fake to first in one motion with his step-off. But this has always been a loose rule, if you watch pitchers, they almost always move out of their set simultaneously with their stepping off.

@blazesona12

4 жыл бұрын

Nope I'm still confused as hell on it

I think I have more questions than answers after watching this.

It's a slick move, he does it perfectly! Genius! I still think it was a balk.

"I never called a balk because I didn't understand the rule". Ron Luciano.

it makes so much sence now, wish I knew this like 8-9 years ago. How are people still confused this was a great explanation

One of my pet peeves is when a pitcher stops during his windup and people yell "balk!"....and there is nobody on base.

@farpointgamingdirect

6 жыл бұрын

Ted Hoeborn Boston fans tend to do that when they visit Baltimore. I think that deserves a bitch slap from the Oriole Bird...

@MRoth-mc4yi

5 жыл бұрын

id be more worried about 70 loses by the all-star break...

@albundy6008

5 жыл бұрын

A pitcher can still commit a balk with no one on base, it is considered a ball. Not coming to a stop, a quick-pitch, or stopping and starting again after putting his foot on the Pitcher's plate are reasons for a balk with no runners on base.

@tedhoeborn2310

5 жыл бұрын

Why would a pitcher do that if no one were on base?

@albundy6008

5 жыл бұрын

Ted Hoeborn loss of concentration.

Coming here right after the astros/dodgers game on 6/24/2023

@soul2squeezy439

11 ай бұрын

LOL

I can believe that this is a good explanation of what a balk is, for people who already know what a balk is.

He stepped slightly behind & to the side of the mound..very impressive..👍⚾️

See Rule 5.07(e). If the pitcher steps backward off the pitcher's plate, he becomes an infielder. He can fake a throw, even to 1st base, or do a hula dance if he wanted. :-) The balk rules are poorly written, and there are a lot of "traditional" (not technical) interpretations flying around.

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

Basically, yes.

@DuggageHu

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is true: Rule 5.07(a)1,6.02(a)7 and (a)9. A player may not simulate being a pitcher while not touching the pitcher's plate. But I repeat that the pitching and balk rules are disorganized and poorly written, and many people have only learned what their coaches or buddies told them 30 years ago. So there is a lot of confusion out there.

@jacobgalipeau6872

6 жыл бұрын

As an umpire this is one of the hardest calls to make. The better way to change the rule is was it an attempt to deceive the runner . If yes it’s a balk no matter the circumstances unless the foot comes back behind the rubber. Forget all the other quirks and whether they are slide stepping. Just simplify it

@melntess

6 жыл бұрын

All pick off moves, are by definition, an attempt to deceive the runner. The balk rule is very poorly written. By letter of the rule, a RHP should be able to step directly to first and throw. However, in actual exercise, this would result in a balk. LHP have a gigantic advantage to RHP in pickoff moves to first because of this.

@picklestm4769

5 жыл бұрын

What about becoming set before the move i mean it shields never set. dont you need to set before you step off at all

He’s behind the rubber in that last shot. He definitely steps back

I’m even more confused after watching this about what constitutes a balk but at the same time I still loved the video

I'm with Harold Reynolds on this one. He doesn't step off backwards, hence, balk. Plus, he starts the throwing motion BEFORE he's stepped off (or not off) anyway, so the first point is moot.

@jeffreyhall8195

Жыл бұрын

couldn't disagree with you more. His hands never separate until his right foot is clear of the rubber and behind it. Step back means back behind the rubber.

@jakestine4753

Жыл бұрын

I'm with Harold too. Everyone agreed the move is designed to deceive runners. That effectively makes it a balk. If the intent is to deceive, it's a balk.

@alanhess9306

8 ай бұрын

@@jakestine4753 I think Harold is wrong. What is the difference between stepping in front of the rubber or to the side on a jab-step move? Both would be moves from the rubber because there was not a disengagement so the pitcher cannot fake to first.

The argument here isn't about the ruling of what a balk is. The argument is over where James shields right foot planted prior to pivoting towards first. By not throwing the ball, Shields is required to clear the rubber with his back foot. The video is inconclusive of whether or not he did. If you really want to talk balks, look at Julio Urias.

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

He's not required to clear the rubber. He's required to take his plant foot off the rubber in backwards fashion, disengaging from the rubber, which he did. If he does not contact the rubber after disengaging, no balk rules apply; a balk is impossible.

@parkercrossland410

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Heathman Isn’t the reason that they’re trying to pull more tricks is because they’re trying to compete/win?

@adameves5970

4 жыл бұрын

It's clear and conclusive that he stepped behind the rubber, with his back foot first, before he threw. Just watch the video. And use your eyes this time.

If Tim McCarver explained a balk, we would all be here a week later. So give these guys credit. Lol.

A Balk is simple. When a pitcher is on the mound (meaning foot on the rubber getting a sign or coming set) he has three moves. His first move being simply throwing a pitch. His second move is just simply stepping off (meaning he takes his drive foot and puts it behind the rubber). The third move is where the balk comes into play. A right handed pitcher has two ways of performing a pick off to first, number one is stepping off and then throwing over. When he steps off the pitcher is now no longer a pitcher he takes on the position of an infielder and can do whatever he wants. For example, a shortstop can do whatever he wants, kick the dirt, jump up and down, anything, but, if the pitcher is on the rubber he can only perform one of the three moves listed above, Or it will be considered a balk. The other pickoff move is a quick turn, this is the move that he performed in this play, the only reason it was a balk is because he turned twice and didn’t just throw to first when he turned from the set position.

I think it was a balk. That was a single motion of jump/twist to first. That was not a step off, then turn throw to first. The motion to throw was begun immediately. Perhaps the rule needs more clarification.

4 mins in and you still haven't answered your own question. What a waste of my time.

Thanks Ryan Dumpster for having a record blown saves in 2012 for my fantasy team

Thanks for clearing that up

A balk is whatever the umpire feels like is a balk that day

The “Quick move” is when the pitcher lifts the heel of their right foot to quickly pivot and throw. One must throw to first base when doing this or else it’s a balk. Only if they step off completely behind the rubber can they choose not to throw. However for a quick move to second base it is not required that you throw it as long as you disengage from the rubber.

@alanhess9306

4 жыл бұрын

You do not have to step behind the rubber to fake a throw to second base. You can fake to second from the rubber.

I'm a pretty low level umpire, but I still am an ump so I thought I might offer my insight. The rulebook wording is such that, from set position (hands together- dempster shows this early on) the pitcher may throw to a base, pitch, or step backwards off the plate with the back foot- so the step has to be a. backwards and b. result in no contact with the mound. When in contact with the mound, you have to step directly towards a base before making the throw. If he was still on the mound, this would have been a balk; you cannot "feint a throw" to first and not actually throw it- again, provided you're touching the plate. tl;dr: If you're touching the mound, you gotta go to the base you fake the throw to. If from set position, you disengage by stepping backwards and off, you can do what you want (within reason). You don't have to clear the mound (be fully behind it, you can be to the side and next to, but not touching it), but it's a good idea because it makes it obvious to the umpire. tl;dr again: It was legal from what I can tell

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

To clarify: The initial move done by Dempster commits him to first: he's still contacting the rubber. The move done by Shields, however, does not, as he's not contacting the rubber having stepped off legally, and is now a fielder in the eyes of the rulebook.

@Knightmessenger

5 жыл бұрын

So when touching the pitcher rubber, you can't fake a throw to a first base? And when touching the rubber, you also can't throw to a base without stepping in that direction. So you can't do a "no look pass" like all the really talented players do in other sports to look cool? Oh well you explained it way better than these talking idiot heads did even if they had a 24 hour cable network...

@scottj18

5 жыл бұрын

He did not come to a clear and discernable stop. It's a balk

@jakemiller663

5 жыл бұрын

@@scottj18 that is only on a delivered pitch. Pickoffs or stepping off don't require a pause.

Pitcher exists. Umpires: *That's a BALK.*

What constitutes a balk? Joe West and Angel Hernandez: Whatever we want it to be.

As long as I can remember, the balk has been the most controversial rule in baseball. I think MLB could do something to reform the rule. My idea: as soon as the pitcher is set on the rubber, wherever he throws the ball is considered a pitch (unless time out has been called). This will also speed up the pace of the game. Pitchers will no longer be playing catch with the 1st baseman, but will only throw to 1st if he thinks he has a shot at picking off the runner.

@yiftertheshifter9967

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't this give base runners a huge advantage during a 3 ball count? The pitcher would not be able to pick off without walking the batter.

I'm now more confused about the balk rule, than before I watched this video.

I see both sides, but this video is a great teaching tool for young pitchers to understand both sides of the play.

@grantkruse1812

2 жыл бұрын

And for those of us who love to steal bases....

I think this convinced me more that no one knows what a balk is and umpires are just guessing 90% of the time when it comes to balks

These guys can't explain shit!

@craigmooring2091

5 жыл бұрын

And feces is a LOT easier to explain than a balk.

@SilentNinjaaa

5 жыл бұрын

"Shit... Like, you know, uh, that thing....Shit! You're gonna be like, boom! Damn that smells. Because that's shit. And then, just like that, that's, uh, shit. Boom!

@r.perry7

5 жыл бұрын

ur just slow

No here's the explanation of a balk: this one guy (maybe, not clear) did one thing that is not a balk. So there you have it. Balk explained.

Thanks for the good info!

Maybe I can explain: Balk Rules 1. ⁠You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of 2) Do not do a balk please.

How about it being a balk for not coming set? Why is no one mentioning that

@stevedoe1630

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. Nobody making reference to the primary and secondary positions of the stretch. I, for one, did not see a definitive set, stop motion, into the secondary position. Looks like he just did one motion from primary, to secondary, to pickoff. The intention is to give the runners an advantage to see what the pitcher is going to do. (Continue pitching, or become an infielder.) Before the balk Rule was written, back in the day, pitchers were doing this kind of Mickey Mouse stuff all the time. I wish umpires were more strict in upholding this baseball rule, because there’s a lot of pitchers getting away with a lot of funny stuff. Believe there is a lot of confusion by the general public in how the balk Rule works. So, if it’s a difficult concept to communicate, and there’s a lot of confusion on the matter, and MLB is trying to speed up the game to make it more marketable, then maybe the Balk is not getting called as much as it should??

@richiesmith2292

6 жыл бұрын

I was just about to say that. He never was set.

@drolakdum7751

6 жыл бұрын

if you're gonna step off the rubber, you don't need to come set. you just have to make sure disengaging with the rubber is your first movement

@Lance-Stroll

6 жыл бұрын

U only have to come "set" if you're delivering to home plate

@PelosiStockPortfolio

6 жыл бұрын

He didn't deliver to home plate. Hard to call a "fast pitch" penalty when there was no pitch

Now I'm more confused

I LOVE BASEBALL TALK! great stuff.

They need a sensor in the rubber. Like the keyboard in Big. So that way you can tell if the pitcher stepped off or not. It doesn't matter where they place there foot (behind or beside) as long as it is not toward home plate (and therefore a pitching motion) and as long as they stepped off before breaking their hands or moving their upper body.

Not a balk. Don't know what dude was seeing. He clearly steps behind the rubber. Off to the side a little but still behind it.

@adameves5970

4 жыл бұрын

I guess you're the only other person here with eyes.

@howdareyou41

2 жыл бұрын

u can see that in this video with 3 pixels?

PSA: You don't have to come set if you don't deliver a pitch. His lack of coming set is irrelevant to this discussion. The only thing that matters is whether he disengaged the rubber. MLB network did terrible job and frankly camera evidence is inconclusive. Ridiculous segment.

@__dane__

5 жыл бұрын

Mike Garner the problem isn’t that he didn’t come set. The problem is that he initiates his pick off in the same motion as coming set. As a pitcher if I’m in the middle of my motion (about to come set) and I don’t stop before stepping off then that’s a balk. TLDR: the main problem is that it’s all in one motion

@alanhess9306

5 жыл бұрын

@@__dane__ You must come set before delivering a pitch. There is no need to come set before picking to a base. As long as his pivot foot moves back of the rubber, this is not a balk. The fact that it was all in one motion does not make it a balk.

@louiscypher4186

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 balk rules for runners on base rule 6.02 (a)(7) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitcher’s plate.

@alanhess9306

4 жыл бұрын

​@@louiscypher4186 Yes, I know the rule. That rule is intended to address a pitcher who is off the rubber and goes into the stretch or the windup in order to deceive the runner into thinking he is delivering a pitch. Ryan is correct in the video and Harold doesn't know what he is talking about. As long as the pitcher's foot lands behind the back of the rubber, even if it is off to the side, it is not a balk.

@louiscypher4186

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanhess9306 his entire intent was to deceive the base runner into thinking it was a pitch, it's exactly why that rule exists it wasn't for any specific motion which is why it covers any motion. it was a balk.

I don’t know the first thing about baseball and I learned so much about balk here. How are you all still confused.

So I know already several things that will be flagged as "balky", even though I only pitched 1 on 1 ball way away from the Majors...... 1. Not stopping for at least 1 second between the set and then windup to follow-thru on the pitch. 2. Being off the rubber on the windup. 3. Faking a pitch without fully committing to it. 4. Doing any obvious movements within the 1-second "stop " rule. 5. Doing the set, the 1-second stop and windup but you drop the ball in the pitchers area after the follow-through. 6. Doing the windup and then getting off the rubber without fully committing to the throw. 7. Here is a less obvious way. You do the set, hold at least 1 second before any movement, and then you go off the rubber. 8. You do the set and you go off the rubber without doing the 1 second rule. 9. On the follow through you hold on to the ball without releasing it at all (this is a type of unacceptable feinting a throw). There are 7 to 8 other "balkable offenses" but these are the ones I do know.

Lefty pickoff moves are balks have the time

@41modder

6 жыл бұрын

That1BaseballGuy Atleast all the really good ones are. Sometimes its really close and hard to tell, thats probably why alot of umps dont always call them

@yell0wberry

5 жыл бұрын

A lefty's move to first is a little harder for the umpire to pick up because he has to make sure the pitchers right heel doesn't pass his left leg.

@certifiedfnhater4038

5 жыл бұрын

That's why letfies have a B move then an A move then the ball move.

@boneXL

5 жыл бұрын

I'm left handed and my pick is my leg goes straight up then steps towards the dugout and i throw

@kjones5915

5 жыл бұрын

MetalCrow448 with the 45° rule you are actually allowed to take a step in between the direction of first and home (as a lefty).

The reason it should be a Balk is because the 1/3 pick off was outlawed.

@adrianortega4303

5 жыл бұрын

Shane Denney only 3/1 is outlawed not 1/3

@alanhess9306

4 жыл бұрын

@@adrianortega4303 Neither is "outlawed" if you disengage the rubber by stepping back.

ok, so. a balk is when the pitcher looks like he is throwing to a base, but then tricks everyone and throws to another base. It's basically snake eyes but with feet. However, they can do that when they step behind the white line (rubber). Ex: If I am facing home plate and my feet are set to throw it home, I cannot throw to first. everything else goes into detail on what constitutes as "well what is deceiving? What if that is how he throws?" That is up to the umpire to ultimately decide. But the line above is the basic rule. If you have any questions lmk.

It does give detail on this play being a balk. And it is a balk.

Harold calm down ...it’s not genius ..and the 3rd baseman was clueless

who's here cuz of the dodgers mariners walk off balk?

@judyalcatraz918

5 жыл бұрын

Zach Galifanakis 😂

@zachperez8937

5 жыл бұрын

balk off

Everyone says they can't tell where his foot is. Am I the only one that can clearly see his foot directly behind the back right corner of the rubber? Dempster is right on this one.

This is genius. The video is a balk in explaining what a balk is.

thats to the back. no question.

@ragimundvonwallat8961

5 жыл бұрын

yep

I'm with Harold on this one.

@jrcassella

6 жыл бұрын

GwresYnKernow he’s wrong, dempster is correct.

@tmlhockey

6 жыл бұрын

In typical Harold fashion he thinks he knows what he is talking about (he rarely does in my opinion) and is arguing with a pitcher over a move by a pitcher, guy needs to learn to shut his mouth and listen more often

@lobster272

6 жыл бұрын

You're with Harold, the non pitcher, and disagree with Dempster, a pitcher. What?

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

Dempster is right from what I can tell. I'm not 100% that Shields doesn't contact the rubber. Blurry camera is blurry.

@fedicle

6 жыл бұрын

Gwres is correct. Stepping off has to be the first move. It can't be combined with a pickoff move.

I looks like there is abit of confusion here, so I will try to make it easier. If you are in fron of the rubber, you can only throw at first. in order to throw on any other base, the foot behind (in his case his right one) needs to go behind the rubber. when he does that, he's free to throw on any base. however, I think in this situation, regardless of what his intention was, the game tactic was wrong because: 1) the third baseman was too far 2) runner on third, had 2 chances of scoring, both if he picked off to first or committed a balk that meant every player can advance 1 base... there are other situations in which a balk is called but they are not relevant in this specific play.

33 did step back though, he put the foot that was on the rubber, on the back corner of the rubber. The camera angles make it impossible to see the rubber, but you can see he moves his foot to back corner to fake the throw to 1st

It is great having these guys comments on the rules.

Good work.

As a youth umpire that helps alot actually. Clearing the rubber basically makes you an infield. You don't have to clear the rubber when making a pickoff move. But in the umpire judgement if you don't clear the rubber you have to make a throw (R to 1B, L to 3B).

How do they not have a better camera angle for this??? Either way, I think it looks like he steps back and to the side. They made the right ruling.

If you look at the last clip slowed down to .25 you can see the first movement of his foot is clearly backwards. What you can't see is if he actually clears the pitching plate first or not.

That's a step back, 2nd angle shows it clearly. Idk what TV their looking at but it's clear.

Need an overhead angle for conclusive determination! It looks likr he stepped the the side

If someone can clarify me. To me that balk rule exists because it delays the game. But even if he sidesteps the rubber he actually do throws the ball to 3rd base in a pickoff move. Maybe the backfoot didn't went all the way backwards but you do see the intention in the toe touch.

@davism.5107

6 жыл бұрын

1. The balk rule exists so a runner cannot be easily deceived by the pitcher and thrown out. 2. Intention doesn't matter. 3. As long as he's not touching the rubber, he can do what he wants. If during the initial part of this move (throw to first fake) he contacts the rubber, that's a balk.

Definitely a hard call on that play there...Definitely need an overhead view of the mound to really see where his feet were on that one there!? I get what the 1st guy was saying and it makes sense but other guy has a legit argument too cuz u can really tell if pitchers foot is touching the rubber or if its behind and to the side of it!?

The motion between reading the signs, setting for the pitch, and then up until the ball is released from the pitcher must be smooth. No sudden or janky moves. Also if the pitcher like they're trying to explain wants to pick off a runner or simply step off of the rubber to calm his nerves, collect himself or whatever, his back foot must be the first and only thing to come off the rubber and his foot needs to land BEHIND the rubber as well. Not forward or directly besides it. Behind it. You can't give yourself an unfair advantage to pick off a runner. At least that's what I picked off of this lol

Side is fine along as the back foot moves first! No jumps but that pick off is legal

So, what difference does it make whether or not his foot is behind the rubber? To me, a half foot difference in foot placement doesn't seem to offer any significant advantages that would constitute penalizing the pitcher.

when does a run count after the 3rd out? runner on 3rd base, ball in play runner scores but 3rd out is made but it doesn't count as a run when could it count? after a few seconds before the 3rd out?

@MrMaelstrom07

6 жыл бұрын

There are a few different rules concerning the run scoring. In almost all cases, the runner must touch the plate before the 3rd out is made, I'll get to the odd case at the end. If a runner is forced out for the 3rd out, the run will not score. For instance, runners on 1st and 3rd, if it's a ground ball to short and they touch 2nd base before the runner arrives but after the runner from 3rd touches the plate, the run would not score. But if, for instance, we have runners at 2nd and 3rd and they tag the runner from 2nd after the 3rd touched the plate, the run would score. You see this most often with runners at 2nd and 3rd and 1 out with a fly ball. They both tag up properly (not leaving early) and the throw comes into 3rd base. If the runner from 3rd touched the plate before the tag happened, then the run would count. The only different play is a bases loaded walk. Let's say that the runner from 3rd is taking his time but the batter runs to 1st and rounds 1st base as if he were going to go to 2nd. Then they tag the batter out between 1st and 2nd bases but before the runner from 3rd touches the plate. By rule, we assume the run to have scored from the bases loaded walk. This is the only time that a run could score AFTER the 3rd out is made.

@Knightmessenger

5 жыл бұрын

One time I saw a bases loaded walk not count as a run because the ump ruled the runner going home did not touch home plate at first. This was in a walkoff situation in a girls highschool softball district game. I'm not sure if the ump interpreted the rule correctly but that's what he called. To answer the original question, if it's on the same pitch as the third FORCE out, the run never counts. If the third out was made by a non force, then it's determined by whether the runner touched home before the final out tag was made.

I thought that the balk was called because he didn't come to a set position before throwing over. A pitcher can throw over before going to the stretch, or after the full set position. He never comes to a set position before throwing over.

this made balk even more confusing

So what we got was Ryan Dempster balking at doing his Harry Caray impression.

yeah that would be simple if it was just a matter of him stepping back behind the rubber but its not. i seen balks called when a guy started his wind up or before any movement at all. Bizzare stuff.

That was a step back for sure

After watching this video I realize the title of this video isn’t a answer to the question they’re actually asking me if I know because they don’t seem to know either.

I can't believe there were only 2 camera views on the Pitcher? Neither show conclusively him clearing the back plane of the rubber. Them showing you have to clear the front of the rubber to throw to first is not correct either. You can stay in contact with the rubber and throw.

have the rukes changed in the last twenty years? Regularly see pitchers going into a set position making half a dozen tweaks/adjustments/foot/hand/glove movements etc etc and yet never called for it.

Is it ok if he never got set and he was still in his motion?

Dempster and Reynolds looking at the Shields video and seeing different things then demonstrating on the studio mound with unintentionally different foot movements on every example they execute. Couldn't be any more confusing.

It is basically a fake, flop, or delay-of-game by the pitcher. People mock the balk call, but if balking was allowed, you would see that the game started to look way different for the worse.