MAJOR UPDATE: The Line has been reportedly been dramatically reduced by 98.57% from being 105 miles long to just 1.5 miles long... Oh boyy!!! QOTD: do you think my take on The Line is wrong? Do you think it will succeed? 👀

@assefagelila4825

3 ай бұрын

actually I don't think so

@remedypath5941

3 ай бұрын

thank you for covering this subject - so many things at odds with the natural environment when building these "mega projects". Nothing but ego, wrapped in ignorance. Even if a project like this is completed you can't even begin to count all the unforeseen problems that arise in its wake.

@nesreenamerah9411

2 ай бұрын

Firstly, I am from Saudi Arabia and I do not speak English fluently, but I will try to clarify some points First, the NEOM project will be in the Tabuk region, which is an area in the north near Jordan, Syria, Palestine, and Turkey. It is a city I visited before, and it is very cold and snows in the winter and in the summer, a city with a wonderful atmosphere. Secondly, Saudi Arabia has been a tourist country since ancient times, and it is in advanced development with every king and prince, and naturally, there are some who mock my country. Thirdly, the NEOM project will successfully employ the most skilled workers on it, just as King Abdullah City and the King Fahd Project did. There are projects that were not implemented and were merely statements, as in America, China and France. We care about animals and birds so much, it is impossible not to consider this point. In addition, you did not find many animals in that area due to the difficulty of birds moving there, according to the NEOM project. You can see projects, permanent development and prosperity, and visit them for exploration, and not just read and information that may be wrong or insufficient.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

2 ай бұрын

Soviet microdistrict vs USA suburbia . public transport vs car

@ruZZiansGoHome

Ай бұрын

wrong? stupidity!

If it's ever finished I think the long-term maintenance costs will be insane.

@dyawr

Ай бұрын

Yeah. I'm also worried for the conditions of the 'lower-job' workers, who will have to maintain this entire thing 24/7. They'll be getting accommodation in the worst parts of the building structure for sure - prob at more ground levels, rarely leaving their limited area to enjoy other parts, not seeing natural light for months, being overworked & underpaid, etc. While the foreigners & more 'upper class' ppl that Saudi wants to attract, will be somewhere at a top level ‐ with the plant microsystems & the holograms, natural light, luxury experiences, etc. It's something that reminds me of dystopian Sci-Fi movies. Hard for me to imagine it any other way realistically, given that there are already so many problems with foreign workers in the Gulf countries.

@barnold23

24 күн бұрын

@@dyawryou’ve just given me an idea for a great movie. Thank you!

@martin4819

24 күн бұрын

Yea totally agree, the amount of elevators and escalators alone that would need to maintained would be in the thousands! Imagine too, if this design ends up letting in and trapping sand and dust that ends up grinding away moving parts cutting their lifespan in half. Everything is interconnected in a line, if anything fails, or if things cant be maintained properly, it will have a ripple effect throughout The Line. A line also provides little flexibility to fix and maintain things, particularly so for thing’s like the rail system. This will end up being a very expensive place to live, where people would probably have to spend millions on purchasing a condo and pay outrageous HOA fees monthly and for what, to live inside essentially a shopping mall with endless views of sand and nothing to do outside The Line.

@dyawr

24 күн бұрын

@@barnold23 Lol

@dyawr

24 күн бұрын

@@barnold23 But to be fair, I watched another vid since I made this comment, which said that workers will indeed be at lower levels, but will have equal access to natural light. Interesting that they emphasized this, but good that they have it in mind.👍

If the Line doesn't succeed, we can always give it to the Night's Watch to defend us from the Night King and his White Walkers

@TUBESPECIFIC1

2 ай бұрын

Wish we still had GOT for it's disappointing how they ended it with season 6 where I guess the producers lost interest and it was complicated and hard. The Line looks far more complex. Wonder how the billionaires will do hosting this project? They'll fail again for they can't really run businesses nor direct countries on foreign and domestic policies. Look at how they're doing America and many other countries in the 2020's. Their global Great Reset will fail the citizens!

@iotolaofrocknrolla2795

Ай бұрын

Ter her … keep your day job.

@daemoncluster

25 күн бұрын

"Hold Door!" - Hordor

@MrRono19

24 күн бұрын

But he would then be holding the East... the Middle East.

@TheDavidlloydjones

12 күн бұрын

Wot abaht the Globbolinks?

Hopefully no bone saws will be reserved for me for saying this, but... of course this will not succeed as described. Consider the following 1. Where will the sewage and garbage be processed for 9 million people and businesses? 2. High speed rail - how many stops will it make on the 100 mile route? if it's a 5 minute walk to the nearest train station, that suggests a stop every half mile, two hundred stops with acceleration, deceleration, stop, unload and load, for each one. This dramatically slows the average speed of the rail line, in addition to nausea-inducing acceleration and deceleration, and consuming vast amounts of energy, as well as wear and tear on the trains. 3. How will food and supplies be transported for these 9 million people? 4. What happens if there is a power failure? Suffocation? 5. How will toxic smoke from fires be managed along the great length of this structure? Until these questions are reasonably answered, this project is doomed.

@dr.firefetus5119

Ай бұрын

dark but accurate reference

@ahadkmk

26 күн бұрын

It looks like it will be a robotic City rather than human City everyone will be working like a robot and there will be very less space to walk around. People would feel like a restrained life in a narrow strip

@demongo2007

22 күн бұрын

Oh you’re just a hater. /s

@lizd2943

10 күн бұрын

Maybe they'll borrow the poop trucks from the Burj Khalifa.

@tryscience

10 күн бұрын

@@demongo2007 I hate phony projects that can't be built, because I'm not a Chump. I like real projects that inspire people with success, instead of the demoralize them with failure.

This project involves pretty much everything humans should NOT be doing.

@TUBESPECIFIC1

2 ай бұрын

Yea, science fiction shouldn't be done in the real world. However, I'd have a diesel engine in that cybertruck.

@DavidLLambertmobile

13 күн бұрын

How do have a 🌍 CoVid 19 pandemic then say hey let's spend $1T 💰💰💰 on some wierd desert city?

It’s basically a giant “Smart City” Prison. Once the person is in they can not get out!! Very frightening actually

Nice to see a real person (as opposed to some disembodied AI narrator) pointing out the real world flaws of this completely bonkers fever dream. Keep up the great work! Subsrcribed.

@pavel5939

Ай бұрын

A real entitled kid with her barbie doll in the drawer? Talking about things she has absolutely no clue about? Wow… gen-Z at its highest lows. Great. 😂

@user-xp5id1kh4r

Ай бұрын

@@pavel5939 Well at least she didn't screw the economy or environment as a boomer or xer.

@Markoss007

26 күн бұрын

@@user-xp5id1kh4r She calculated the emission of 20 years project into a 1 year. Maybe is a dystopian, unrealistic dream. But at least they think about the future. Our Western politicians just say we do not have money. But we are the countries that buy oil and gas from them. Or even products from China, where they can build nuclear plants and highways like nothing. Why can Dubai build a mega city and Europe have cities with old routes and buildings? She says propaganda, but we get only demotivation. Bad news every day, inflation, moral collapse, cancel culture... We can't say what is possible, we are lazy people. Without Elon Musk's dreams of Mars City, we have nothing. And even Elon Musk is for lot of people claun. But this claun did something, not like them.

You could apply a hiss filter to the mic signal to cut the hissing noise out in post-processing. APart from that, I'd like to see a small shard of this fully built. I'm pretty sure that they won't finish the whole project.

@UnravelingArchitecture

2 ай бұрын

awh sorry about that hissing throughout! my audio file corrupted but will do better next time!

@jeffbaker1890

29 күн бұрын

The mic is terrible

@williamwolf2844

25 күн бұрын

The sound seems good to me.

They are building a 170 Km long Swedish Rocket Stove. When the first apartment in The Line catches fire, the whole line will turn into a Fire Death Trap from which there will be no escape.

I loved your careful unpacking, and subsequently eloquent analysis! Well done!

Im an architecture student in Saudi Arabia and i cant still believe that this project is real , even tho they really started neom projects!

@starcapture3040

3 ай бұрын

it will be such big disaster

@jumanahmoh

3 ай бұрын

@@starcapture3040 like seriously i think that too , but lets just not judge a book by its cover and wait…

@jakenelson1658

3 ай бұрын

Is architecture school really hard in Saudi Arabia?

@jumanahmoh

3 ай бұрын

@@jakenelson1658well i guess its hard everywhere 😂😂

@JosephHHHo

2 ай бұрын

​@@jakenelson1658 You just have to be able to draw a line

The Desert will swallow it up with a few sand storms Better to build Chip FABs in all that silicon (sand)

The Line is the best way to communicate to any extraterrestrial life that we are ready to be invaded.

Such and excellent video!! Please do a further “deep dive” on the “technology” they are wanting too implement. All around an EXCELLENT video

@UnravelingArchitecture

23 күн бұрын

thank you!

We need critics, people who localize and study the subject so that we have ideas about the subject.

This is mainly a project for shipping. The trains are meant to be fast for quick cargo transport from one end of the country to the other. I only realized that while watching this video.

@UnravelingArchitecture

2 ай бұрын

great insight

@TUBESPECIFIC1

2 ай бұрын

No it's not about logistics though it involves many logistics. It's about a new world order global center of the world.

@r3dp1ll

Ай бұрын

@@TUBESPECIFIC1 I also see it that way. Part of the WEF grand "vision" for 2030. The have everything and the have nothing.

@NR-fd9wv

5 күн бұрын

@@TUBESPECIFIC1 in other words: the fantasy of a megalomaniac

@TUBESPECIFIC1

5 күн бұрын

@@NR-fd9wv I wish that were fictional, but what I said about NEOM is the one. Ok, you go get a job by working for it. Yea, the controlligarchs are megaomaniacs.

I’m actually looking forward for this project to be done

@freddymercury2259

Ай бұрын

Why?

@TomZidel

28 күн бұрын

I hope they lock you in it

@luddite333

25 күн бұрын

projected completion date - when hell freezes over lol

Great summary...couldn't agree more!

One aspect i haven't yet seen discussed about this project: does the project documantation offer anything about how the city would be dealing with the deceased?

@briandering4182

7 күн бұрын

Soilent Green

@NR-fd9wv

5 күн бұрын

@@briandering4182 self-sustainable and no place to grow enough food, so i guess you're right

actually I go with you , In fact what you said was right basically this project "LINE" is indeed limiting access to environment what I think is that "AN ARCHITECT SHOULD BE THINKING OF CONNECTING MORE WITH NATURE RATHER THAN MAKING IT MORE FUTURISTIC AND COMPLICATED " . IT WILL SUCCEED IN THE DESIGN BUT NOT IN REALITY

@UnravelingArchitecture

3 ай бұрын

Like I mentioned in the video, there are good instincts in terms of how to design sustainably. But logistically there should be so many more questions answered by now. I agree that nowadays there has been a surge of emphasizing the connection between humans and nature, rather than dividing the two. So I guess we'll see how it all plays out

@dylshkibab

Ай бұрын

There is no nature there... it's an arid stretch of sand.

Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that doesn't self report themselves as a democracy. (Yes even North Kore, China and Russia call themselves democratic) Pointing out that the line is a bit despotic in nature doesn't bother them.

@izarsopar2581

2 ай бұрын

An enlightened monarchy is potentialy the best regime regarding to quality of life. Looking back to my country, thr biggest developement and of the highest quality was made by the Austro-Hungarian monarchy, whereas the type of work that is done today is just by greedy investors trying to sell you low quality work for a high end price

@tryscience

Ай бұрын

@@izarsopar2581and the monarchy isn't enlightened, just vote in a new one.... oops, nevermind

@NR-fd9wv

5 күн бұрын

@@izarsopar2581 enlightened monarchy? they are quite the opposite

@izarsopar2581

5 күн бұрын

@@NR-fd9wv I was refering to the likes of the AU monarchy, where long term benefits were put in front of the short term gain. Not in any way was I thinking about S. Arabia...

the line is like a very big shopping mall with apartment inside. who would want to live in a shopping mall? a good 1 hour strolling/sight seeing inside a mall is best i can do. but to live there.. what the fudge are they thinking?? i mean i get it if they will build something like this in a big space ship intergalactic travel or in planet mars. but in planet earth? why??

@martijn8554

2 ай бұрын

That part doesn't seem too weird to me. We don't really have malls here in the Netherlands in the way America does. Instead, new commercial areas are built with the stores on the ground floors and apartments above them. That way all of the city is in use 24 hours a day. You get large stores mixed in with smaller stores and bars and restaurants, gyms, GPs, offices, etc. In the end this project fails because putting everything in a line just isn't efficient. It's the elevator problem, but on its side. Give the line some spokes out the side every now and then would make it much more feasible.

@darlynegoo4251

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. This is a space ship design. Why do on Earth? Else some said do a circle. Honestly, the cutting off nature migration (a line) is a real problem. How do wildlife get from one side to the other.

@conhopper418

2 ай бұрын

Kinda like a living on a cruise ship. Some people love that.

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

@@martijn8554 Malls are very depressing environments.

@martijn8554

25 күн бұрын

@@Captain_MonsterFart American style malls are indeed very depressing. They don't have to be that way though.

That laugh you have when describing this is fascinating and understandable on a serious scary subject. No matter how much money they try to show, they have , and there will always be investors forced, tricked , and sold into idealism . The name "The Line" is the first clue. In almost every way"line" can be defined is not anywhere most people would call home. Absolutely not from someone who you can't have a debate with. 💯❤️subscribed

Mientras observaba el video y escuchaba las preocupantes deficiencias del proyecto en términos de sostenibilidad a lo largo de su desarrollo y ocupación, me di cuenta de que estamos evaluándolo desde la perspectiva de nuestra realidad actual. Lo estamos analizando a la luz del mundo tal como lo conocemos y vivimos en el presente. Sin embargo, ¿cómo se comportaría este proyecto en caso de una catástrofe nuclear a escala mundial? ¿Cuál sería su impacto y relevancia en un mundo postapocalíptico, un escenario que, esperemos, nunca llegue a ocurrir, si Dios lo permite? While watching the video and hearing about the project's unsustainable aspects throughout its development and occupancy, it occurred to me that we are currently analyzing it through the lens of our present reality. We are examining it in the context of the world as we know and live in today. However, how would this project fare in the event of a global nuclear catastrophe? What would be its impact and significance in a post-apocalyptic world, a scenario that, hopefully, will never come to pass, if it is God's will?

There is water, deep underground. Scintist already stated that whole continet was one green, with a lot of fresh water, but now the water is deeply underground. I believe they don't want to make underground tunnels and cities, and its cheaper to make tubes on the ground, but due to the heat problem it might be a prooblem as well. So considering this logic, it can be reasonable to create city as a bridge. Bridge that transfers water. Then, they can start recultivating whole region (washing out sea salt, recultivating soil, etc). Its a project for hundreds of years.

I enjoyed your analysis of this project n noting past abandoned projects… I know a Modular developer trying to participate on this. Currently Modular can be stacked 10 floors without X bracing n 25 with…. So estimating a max of 200- 250 feet height. Perhaps if heavy steel platforms were installed that encapsulates modular stacks that could increase to the 500 meter height, but like you I think it’s unrealistic… Simple monolithic slabs and/or footer foundation sections with stack Modular above could work, but only about 25 stories…

I believe this project will work however I would suggest building it in sections of 2Km at a time to prevent problems, costs etc. The mirror facade should be just glass not mirror in order to let sunlight in whenever needed. This project will also solve the biggest problem Saudi Arabia faces when building cities and that is sandstorms.

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

Sand will blow in from the top.

@goufr3540

13 күн бұрын

I get being optimistic about this project, but like many mega projects before it, the chances are high it will fail. As the production of its first section alone will either make it or break it. Even if it does get completed, next to nothing about The Line will function as they claim as its very likely it will need outside power sources to keep everything running and its maintenance costs would be ungodly high due to its inefficient design.

Wow, that is the biggest electrical box I've ever seen in a residence. Impressive!

The "advantage" of the line over other cities is the ability to separate the rich from the poor. It will be a tourist place with no beggars, no thieves, no sad looking children, no graffiti, no signs of poverty. You cannot even accidentally end up in the poor section of town. One end of the line will be where tourists and rich people enter and live. The other end will be where the workers and their families live ie the poor people. This will work because it gives tourists what they want, guilt free vacations. When this succeeds more places will use this approach, separation of poor people in an effective way. This is designed to lock in class distinctions permanently. It's like that terrible movie about the train, without the cannibalism.

Good one, Perri 👍

@UnravelingArchitecture

15 күн бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

The NEOM project has just been downscaled by a teeny tiny bit... By only 98.6% actually. The new city will be *2.4 km in length.*

@olil4842

28 күн бұрын

Yeah looks like they might have realised that $1 trillion on a unique and untested infrastructure based megaproject might have been a bit of a stretch. That 2.4kms still won't get finished I bet...

@hifijohn

28 күн бұрын

it will downscaled to just a few hundred feet.

This will be like living full time in a shopping mall. After a few hours this will get depressing

@hi9580

Ай бұрын

Saudi arabia is in mall anyways, 50°C, zero humidity with occasional sandstorms is not weather you want to be outside for.

im looking forward that this project finish..im working here

THIS Will Surprise Everyone and THIS LINE will becoming everyone's choice to live in and experience this. DO YOU think they are fool? you just intelligent? They have successful top rated engineers and they all know what challenges would be to complete this. They considered everything then started.

@ruZZiansGoHome

Ай бұрын

yes! they are fool! like the pyramid builders!😂

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

Why would you want to be trapped between narrow walls?

@NR-fd9wv

5 күн бұрын

to be fair: not all people involved are fools, some just take the money and pretend it is a good idea

And we wonder why there's so much suspicion around the WEF's "15 Min City"; the vast criticisms of NEOM can be just as easily aimed at them.

Humans need to walk and climb to remain healthy. Life in the The Line will lead to dysfunction and disease.

What I find interesting is the huge amount of resources that are required to build this monstrosity. Just imagine a 500 meter high and 158 kilometres long glass wall. Multiplied by 2, in order to cover both sides. Where in the world will all of this glass, that needs a special treatment to act as an heat shield, come from? How long is its lifespan? After all the sunlight is known for its ability to wear out any type of protection. Meaning that these glass panels will need replacement. How will this be achieved? Considering the weight of just one panel, a quit difficult task. Especially due to the height of this project. I could go on for ever! It is great to be innovative, but being so and at the same time using resources in a manner that doesn’t just waste them, can be an impossible challenge.

this thumbnail, title and intro should make a viral video lets hope! one critique is that the video seems a bit gloomy especially around the postive aspects part. id love to see more critical but positive vibe takes on other controversial architecture

@UnravelingArchitecture

3 ай бұрын

no thank you for the feedback!! I was trying a new editing style and was looking for dramatic music - I did not intend for the video to feel and seem gloomy all the way through - esp during the positive aspects part. will do better in the future! thanks

@scipioafricanus5871

Ай бұрын

@@UnravelingArchitecture YOu made it gloomy because you're describing a giant dystopia. Don't listen to these apologists for the Line.

@youdontneedtoknow1154

7 күн бұрын

@@UnravelingArchitecture Nice job, but you need to think about your audio for the whole video. The music was too loud at times and many times you sounded way too close to your mic. Try no to over do it. You have a nice mic, you don't need it so close to your mouth for it to pick up your voice. Your overall message is being overshadowed by the audio itself.

As of April 2024 it's already being drastically scaled back. Basically building an airport before airplanes have been invented.

Thanks for sharing this. Have you seen the plans for the city by Flannery Associates that bought up farm land around near Travis AFB to make their own community? Followup question, with so many bankrupt abandoned cities why don't the rich just rejuvenate those places (rough and ready,CA or any other abandoned properties around the world) ?

It's honestly dystopian of how they designed the line, like its carbon emissions just to build it is insane and there is the possibility that their system will create a civil division as those closer to the top could have a higher quality of life compared to those on the lower levels

@UnravelingArchitecture

3 ай бұрын

excellent point! I should've highlighted that in the video but you're exactly right - who does get to live at the top. I mentioned this in a previous comment but look up the movie snowpiercer. it's the same kind of concept just on a train... so those living at the lower levels might be experiencing a very different (dystopian?) reality of living in the line...

You have some good arguments but overall I still believe it will work. What's getting me thinking however is that you have more than one city being planned and being developed here. As I understand it, this whole region will also operate under more Western laws and regulations. What I'm curious about socially is how do you manage one country with two legal and social systems? You have compounds or gated communities in the middle east where you can get a glimpse of this, but I'm curious what the implications are when you do it on a massive scale? How will the these different regions interact with each other? Are they assumed they will socially merge in the future? What if the differences between the societies and culture deepen?

love your plants

@UnravelingArchitecture

3 ай бұрын

thank you! haha

Someone hasn't done their sums. Its just pure simple maths. Walls 500m tall x 200m wide x 1m depth = 100,000 cubic metres. Length 170km or 170,000m is 170,000 x 100,000= 17,000,000,000sqm or 17bn cubic metres. At a cost of $1tn dollars $1,000,000,000,000/17,000,000,000= $58 cubic metre. That's without carbon neutral power stations, a train that will take to from end to end in 20 minutes, an airport or external sanitation and water facilities. Population density for 9m people 6x greater than the most populously dense city in the world, Manilla causing crowding. $58 a cubic metre?? I don't think this is going to happen.

I'm with you 100%... I think it is as sustainable as electro cars, the production and the out come will be detremental to our planet. + the horror of the created society at a time where social score is beeing implemented... Thank God I'm a namibian 🙏 The Gods must be crazy 😉

too soon to predict that. I doubt that a project of such gigantic scale will be built in one go, but rather in phases where the first ones will be "tested" out for all the "unforeseen issues & untested applications" that have been highlighted by many experts, before continuing it. Ultimately, it's the "test of time" that will determine the success or failure of the project.

You're right on track! Having some experience in development, seeing claims they are 20% complete, I immediately knew this was going to be a colossal bust. Even if they complete the project, there can't be enough rich people in the world to occupy all of these high end resorts. This is saying nothing of a city operating within a linear set of walls. This will make the Dubai's World Island Resort look like child's play in its grand failure.

All the flaws that they brought up exist with any City. And a reason that a lot of people want this to fail is because if it succeeds it could fundamentally change how we design cities. A lot of people are looking at their jobs and thinking this could destroy my job as an architect. Without City sprawl and with everything being in walking distance or able to be transported by city infrastructure, that means less car sales, less fuel usage, no constant road maintenance. In the end if the line were to function the way they want it would be potentially very disruptive to a lot of industries.

actually, it is easily salvageable; they can scale it in whole or partially to its original design. which was a surface-level no car ,walkable city

What will they doin the case of a major disaster? Such as a fire or explosion. What steps are to be put into place to evacuate?

They built "The World" and saw it fail and said, "Hold my tea!" This is a ridiculous vanity project if I ever saw!!

So much about it seems crazy. I'm with those who think it will be a failure. The reflective facade....why? Why not wider and more under ground? Start making clean (zero CO2 emission) concrete and steel. Then make it bit at a time in blobs not a straight line. Such a waste of money and CO2 budget.

In the symphony of atmospheric constituents, carbon dioxide orchestrates a pivotal role, comprising a mere 0.02% of the atmospheric ensemble. This seemingly fractional component, however, assumes paramount significance in the botanical realm, where it serves as the quintessential sustenance for the verdant tapestry of plant life. The metabolic choreography of photosynthesis, a ballet of light and biochemical alchemy within plant chloroplasts, is reliant upon the atmospheric presence of carbon dioxide. As the principal substrate, carbon dioxide undergoes a sublime metamorphosis, transmuting photons into chemical energy and yielding life-giving oxygen as a lyrical exhalation. This grand performance not only propels vegetal growth but also underpins the flourishing biospheric panorama, nurturing the intricate interplay of ecosystems. In short, if we fall below .02% CO2, plants will stop growing. Food for thought, The sustainability of humans is at risk.

According to the latest updates, the project has been significantly scaled back to 98%, as the necessary investments are not forthcoming in the near future.

@UnravelingArchitecture

20 күн бұрын

crazy crazy!! The headlines were harsh when the announcement came about

@AliAhmed-fq5lj

2 күн бұрын

​@@UnravelingArchitecture It's all over the news; search KZread. Investments aren't coming anytime soon, and the technologies MBS is dreaming of don't exist yet. It sounds more like science fiction. He might not even be around by the time these technologies finally exist.

@AliAhmed-fq5lj

2 күн бұрын

​@@UnravelingArchitecture It's all over the news; search KZread. Investments aren't coming anytime soon, and the technologies MBS is dreaming of don't exist yet. It sounds more like science fiction. He might not even be around by the time these technologies finally exist.

@AliAhmed-fq5lj

2 күн бұрын

​@@UnravelingArchitecture It's all over the news; search KZread. Investments aren't coming anytime soon, and the technologies they're dreaming of don't exist yet. It sounds more like science fiction. Anyone of us might not even be around by the time these technologies finally exist.

I can rember the experts saying how Dubai would fail years ago when I took architecture since there was nothing there to draw people, I remember thinking indoor shi hill id go

Looking at google maps, you can see that they have already started to flatten(?) terrain at a length of 62km. I think it's a bad idea to start building at such a length at once. The only way that I see for at least a slight chance of success would be to buld it, well, linear. Starting at one site and build a segment and when this is functional and working, buld the next segment and so on. This offers the chance to learn from the first attempts and change faulty or bad design at the next. And if it turns out that it doesn't work as intended, you can just stop, without having spent tons of money for something that never goes operational. From my understanding, the advantage of a city is the fact to have all things, buisnesses and so on concentrated in a small area that is reachable for every resident. The line is pretty much the opposite of that, stacking up infrastructure up to 500m which makes transportation much more expensive and then build the same over and over again in a straight line...

@NR-fd9wv

5 күн бұрын

at least they can complete one megaproject: the worlds largest ditch

God forbid that these Islamic trillionaires actually use their wealth to help common people instead of building these vanity projects.

@kxjx

8 күн бұрын

Ever was it thus. Organized religion is always a scam.

@mikepalmer2219

3 күн бұрын

Typical of all of the super rich wether they are Islamic or not.

We should always encourage amd support great infrastructure even if it looks unrealistic it shows the growing mentality of humanity

@UnravelingArchitecture

Ай бұрын

But the question with the line is - is it actually great infrastructure?

The form is just unfamiliar, not "oppressive". It's "oppressive" to someone whose immediate reaction to it is to hope it will fail (for whatever reason). It's "oppressive" in the way urbanist development proposals can be "oppressive" to NIMBYs, The implementations details are not essential to the idea. (And what would be interesting to hear is a critique of implementation details combined with positive speculation about how it could've been better executed. It would be more interesting to hear people like architects take hold of this as a genuine thought exercise, and try to figure out how it might be made to work. I mean as a "Line", not by redemption sufficient to make it familiar. Your "parallel" line extension way is an example. OK, so now we imagine that the whole 170 odd km of it turns out to work great, and it's now time to expand. Parallel seems an excellent choice. If it's working, do it again. Only don't do what we tend to do if we operate by Brownian motion, in a piecemeal way, like a bacterial culture growing. Leave some space. The tendency we have is to fill in all the "wasted" space (and next thing you're living in a concrete canyon with a car sewer flowing in a clogged kind of way through it, and people jostling to get from A to b.) Leave some space. Make the parallel line 2km away from the original line. I'm talking proper Space, here, not the familiar, cramped notion of space we have. And then run that for yet another 175km. Wildlife not getting through? Maybe have some arcades at ground level, then? Make the entire ground level arcaded, even. There are potential solutions to the objections, and they're more interesting than the objections are. But getting back to that concrete canyon, with all those rat racing people avoiding each other, and the fumes and constant noise of the cars, and the paving everywhere all too mighty to permit the fuse that through the green fuse drives the flower, as Dylan Thomas put it. And think of suburbia, where everyone lives far away from everything, and where it's easier to avoid the enemies you have to cohabit the city with, and where there's paving everywhere, and where every house is basically just more paving in between the paving, and where the mowed lawn (paid for in carbon, itself) extinguishes life, and keeps things nice and dead and tidy. A cemetery with bigger headstones, really. So I ask you this: Are we not, already, now, living in a dystopian future? We certainly don't live in a Utopia, so who's to say we have not already moved all the way to dystopia, and are only blind to this because of familiarity? Are those suburbs Carbon neutral? And if not, why's there a special Carbon standard for Neom? If it finds a reason to exist - people to inhabit it - then a lot of those would otherwise have had some indigenous flora scraped out of the Earth they're adapted to to be replaced mainly with paving (and "house-paving"), and lawn that isn't going to feed the butterfly that was specifically adapted to that scruffy plant that won't do in tidy suburbia. If Carbon neutrality is a standard, instead of a Vision the developers are trying to pursue, doesn't there need to be a balancing of the competing "Carbon books"? Neom will replace something. What? And then get out your pencil and paper. Much more interesting than trotting out the haters catalog of reasons they hope this potentially better way will fail - and presumably just continuing as we are, with our bulldozer ecologies, being what remains as "the way to do things"? This Vision thing is an important thing not to mix up with the Planning. Or the "Regulations". If you try something new, you have to do a whole lot more imagining than if you just repeat what you did by habit yesterday. That means things like "visionary goals" (which are more like hopes than plan items, or sec14.12 (c) bis of some code) are part of the "propaganda" and part of the proto-planning. For instance, "we want to build in a more green way". (Not in a straw-manned Absolutely Green way someone setting this up to fall would do.) Also the plan (the one implemented) is not the ... objective (I want a milder word than "vision" because that one's too loud). Set out to build an entire city all in one go? That might be bad project planning and management for something this big. Maybe it's better to have a more experimental initial phase. Build part of it, try to get it to live. And then learn from that. (Just make sure that at least 10km of land to the front and to the back is public property, so this can't be subverted by someone with a narrower vision seeing a niche to exploit, there. If the project managers aren't doing a good job that doesn't mean the concept is invalidated. OK getting a bit long now. What purpose could it have? How about starting as a college town? A lot of college towns started with no good reason for existing where they do. Finally WHY? Why not just get the standard guide books out and make a copy of "something that works"? (Assuming that's possible, given that canyon plus suburbia doesn't. Not really.) I say "beach and Horses". (It's a "vision", so don't make a binding regulation on me out of this.) Got a desert downstairs? You could have a horse down there. You could be a city rat, crawl down to Earth, mount a horse, and ride over a horizon that's maybe 10km away (nothing, really). It opens possibilities if you leave some Breathing Space around a city. (You shut down possibilities by just accumulating in a yeast cultural kind of way and end up enclosing yourself entirely within the constricting confines of a circular-ish city - even if it's as comfortingly familiar as having tea and cakes with Mum is.) And they have the Red Sea. Within walking distance from much of that city (if it survives). If you live in the suburbs of a coastal city, generally to get to a beach you first have to sort-of commute. Drive, drive, drive among the fumes and the rumble. Circle round and round trying to get the best parking. Walk across paving to the beach. Hope you don't get run over, too. In one possible future Neom, going to the beach would involve a walk along a path through a desert through no traffic at all. Indistinguishable, facing seawards, from going to the beach on one of the rare islands that doesn't have a paved foreshore, and lots of concrete down by the beach. These are just some "why" visions. Things we don't pause to truly consider when following standard procedures for our times.

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

The line has no windows or doors. People will not be visiting the Red sea! They will not be leaving it at all.

@sicko_the_ew

25 күн бұрын

@@Captain_MonsterFart My point was that the linear form is not intrinsically "oppressive". It's unfamiliar, that's all. Not from the cookie cutter we're all used to. A linear city could have (should have, I think) "doors to the great outdoors" - free from any car sewers or carcinogenic, but familiar, automotive stench. Yes, maybe the actual Line (as it is constructed, rather than presented as "sales art") will have no access to the world beyond, but that doesn't make this an automatic feature of the supposedly "oppressive" linear form. It's just a design flaw in some specific project, that's all. Looks like it has a lot of windows, and the drawings shown online are too "pop art" to definitely determine what kind of access to the outside world is possible. Will it be a prison? What? For the mega rich? You think that would work, short of kidnapping them? (I've heard objections that leap from following the sales art images to the conclusion that it's all for people who have more money than they should - well according to other members of the Planet's wealthiest ten percent, anyway, but the ones who hate the ones with more of that ten percent than them, to the idea that it will be a prison of sorts.) OK? Maybe make up your mind? What is it? A paradise for people less deserving of a paradise, than, say, you are? Or a living hell, that 9 million people will one day somehow voluntarily migrate to - so that they can live in Hell, I suppose. Don't know why, but that would have to be the plot line of that story, surely? If you build everything along a central "public transport axis", and make it dense, you can fit a splat-city with a fat footprint into less than a tenth of the living Earth it would contaminate with all its paving and its roofs (which are paving). If you kept the "sides" clear, you could have better than suburban levels of green space for everyone (or brown space if it's a desert - it's all good). If someone tries to build something too close to it, execute him or maybe be nice and just hang him from a dungeon wall for a few years. It's almost the same kind of splat the oozes out over the ground when things are left to develop in a Petri Dish kind of way, only the splat has a vertical orientation. And where do you get the idea there are no windows? Looks to me like the entire outer cladding of the structure is windows. Yes they're "mirror glass" (such as is commonly found on the least offensive towers of our times), but you do know that you can see through that stuff? (And no, you can't open them, just like you can't open windows of most towers that grew up around the accident that the piece of land they're on was intended for something smaller. It's OK not to have windows that open. There are all sorts of workarounds for that. From the drawings, it looks like the Line's solution was to have such things facing "inward".) I've heard that construction has stopped or has been scaled down, so maybe the world will be safe from the execution of the concept sufficient to prove it for another few years, and we can continue to pave what's left of the Earth without having doubters about with facts at their disposale to substantiate their doubts. Right now, the main thing it has going for it is that it's the only show in town. I hope they build enough of it to give some more factual idea of how it might have worked out at it's fullest potential extent. That way, the discussion moves away from reactors vs dreamers to something nice and factual. At the moment you just have people who reflexively hate wishing it stillborn, and people who find the general concept interesting hoping it will work out. Or work interestingly at very least. At least it's different to the trash we make at the moment. (Take that with a pinch of salt, please - but just a pinch).

Peter Calthorpe, William Fulton's "Regional" city scope led the way Ernest Callenbach led.

I find it hard to believe that with the expertise and calibre of people who planned and are building this, they somehow overlooked basic issues like that you mention in this video. Even I thought The Line sounded like a bad idea, for example just the social aspect of living in a place like that is not appealing at all, let alone all the other issues, but I assumed they would have already thought of all that. How can they have overlooked all this with so much cost at stake?

Hub and spoke rings would be better. Which airport is better? DFW or Tampa? That's a good analogy. Everyone hates DFW because it is spread out and you walk a mile to get where you need to go, but everyone loves Tampa International because of the hub and spoke design and ease of getting from point a to b.

They have the money to make these projects a reality, if they had a land with more nature, with better atmospheric conditions, that is better climate, with many trees, biodiversity, wildlife, lakes, rivers, etc. They would think about doing other very different things, but what do they have?...a lot of desert, inhospitable areas, they have to think about this type of projects, adapt to what they have. It is criticized that the La Linea project has glass and mirrors as its shell, well that is the answer, with this the heat in that area is used to generate energy and be self-generating. By doing it in a straight line there is also savings in materials, and use of soil and subsoil, it also greatly favors metro transport lines. Also, a very important detail is that much more area per square meter would be needed to build homes to house 9 million people than what is budgeted for those 170 kilometers of length. Of course, doing this type of project in such a remote and desert area increases costs, plus many of the materials that will create that walled city will be imported from many countries, including vegetation, trees, animals, etc.

Perhaps you could take note of Pr Jacques Fresco's Venus Project and, through your audience, give it a new lease of life worldwide, which is far more ambitious in every respect. and thank you very much for this video !

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

Oh yeah that Venus Project stuff was exactly as ridiculous as this. People who don't live near nature are SO weird. They genuinely don't understand how badly we all need it.

What are the biggest hurdles is who the hell wants to live in the desert? It’s too hot. There’s no trees 🌳

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

Doesn't matter since it looks like you won't be able to get out of the place.

I wish they were building Jaque Fresco's (venus Project) circular city design. The line makes no sense at all ..his circular city ideas do make sense.

The cost of this thing would be insane. Multiple trillions. This seems like a "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" situation. Someone must have gotten rid of all the people who pushed back on him.

I agree it will never be completed for many reason. With or without sustainable energy makes no difference. Besides that , 9.000.000 people ? It will be impossible just to put 1.000.000 - 1.500.000 people there.

hmmm4_4 the layout sounds like an escape mission with meany trials and tribulations Goood show kinda nice

Its a cool idea but is right now really the best time to be building an extreme mega structure in the Middle East?

@waynebollman

2 ай бұрын

giga

@emmanuelnarokobi1772

2 ай бұрын

It is for an oil country, they have to invest in infrastrcture now while they have Trillions in oil money so they have an economy beyond oil when it runs out. So now is the best time to invest. (Whether it's the right investment, I'm not qualified to judge).

@devrim-oguz

2 ай бұрын

@@emmanuelnarokobi1772 they better invest in people instead of this

Its a new concept that tries to create a 21st C living experience. Most critics (i hv seen so far) are Westerners.Brings a racial dimension to the debate. MbS is committed to his vision. Those who,'buy into it," will support him.

@donerskine7935

Ай бұрын

Maybe it's because 'Westerners' have some sense?

@richardmetzler7909

Ай бұрын

Hmmm. Maybe Saudis are just not in the habit of publicly criticising their royalty for... some reason or other? Also, most critics just point out that the project is fundamentally dumb and relies heavily on non-existing technologies to solve self-inflicted problems, and they would do the same with the same glee if, say, Elon Musk came up with the plan.

@peter7960

Ай бұрын

@@donerskine7935 The same Westerners who cant see their own economies imploding because of excessive debt;money printing;unnecessary wars;increase defense budget at the expense of social service provision;expensive energy;decline in std of living;loss of competitiveness;de dollarization;etc...commenting on MbS's projects??? Nope! No sense whatsoever.

@sabrinarodrigues629

Ай бұрын

So Western criticism bring racial dimension to what? Arabs are wayyyy more racist

@Captain_MonsterFart

25 күн бұрын

Suggesting non Western people would enjoy being trapped inside a mall prison seems slightly racist also. It's creating a science fiction version of a 21st century living experience, not a practical one.

If they build at least some of it, movie producers can use it for a dystopian movie set.

i do wonder if they were inspired by urban 3 story malls? ok in all seriousness this design would be a great design for a squared version of a mall. call it the square line mall? they reduced the size from 105 miles to just 1 and a half miles now. as to your last line in this video 'the death of malls in America' ?? the 3 i frequent are busy from open to close. especially on Friday Saturday and Sunday. these malls are a madhouse to get into and out of on those 3 days. maybe the malls you are referring to were poorly planned in a dying population? maybe the malls are outdated and will not refurbish them ( re the Kmart Effect) to be up to date and modern with building and fashion as well as current food trends. you have to keep up or be left behind. their investors understand that and a return on their investment. although i would rather invest my money is something more stable then current trends. sorry for the long response. have a great day everyone.

The Line is a carless city created by the Crown Prince who owns dozens of luxury and supercars plated in gold. The good Prince showing his people the way by example... 🙄

A feasibility study and test bed should resolve any lingering doubts.

Manhattan is a linear city. It works quite well. Manhattan is like 10 x 200m lines in a row. Why not let them try?

I'm in the LINE. Send HELP. ...or I'll jump Ma'am, don't jump. We haven't cleaned up the last 10,000 jumpers at the bottom. Can you wait a few months?

Seems doable to me....imagine what is like to be on a Cruise ship. Now imagine thousands of cruise ships lined up in the desert. Efficiency will be the name of the game.

The whole thing fills me with dread. $500 billion? What a joke. All projects run over cost and this will be the same. How the hell did it get approval?

I suspect that the full length will never be constructed. Even then, why not do 15km first.

@Luke-tg9jy

Ай бұрын

The first built parts will be like living in the ghetto with how much more technology will advance by then. This will never be finished.

@scipioafricanus5871

Ай бұрын

They're already scaling it back according to the Guardian as of April 10, 2024 because of budget constraints. _Just a mile and a half_ is expected to be finished by 2030 out of 105 miles...

@Luke-tg9jy

Ай бұрын

@@scipioafricanus5871Smooth brain dictator was doing to many lines when he came up with this idea.

@UnravelingArchitecture

23 күн бұрын

Congratulations you've guessed it! It was reduced by 98.57%

I wonder in case of earthquake what will happen? How they will come out?

@zossua7375

Ай бұрын

Looks like Saudi Arabia is near a tectonic plate too.

Soviet microdistrict vs USA suburbia . public transport vs car

The original design would have been an amazing ruin some day rivaling some Roman ruins in the region.

Planned cities needs time to grow snd succeed. I am for organic growth of towns and cities.

I wonder how they will populate it. Why would people want to live there? Are they going to be forced to live there? It's the old practice of creating a solution without saying what problem is being solved.

The Crown Prince... is unrealistic and unnatural... He is high all the time and dreams of something unrealistic in his imagination - spending huge sums of money and selling a percentage of Aramco to finance his fantasy projects, and in the end the victim is the people....! 💔

@scipioafricanus5871

Ай бұрын

MbS = if Elon Musk was a Saudi royal.

Its quite perplexing on how many mega projects are underway that will prove to be a complete waste of time and money, mega money!... instead of spending it on already proven projects, good quality social housing isn't rocket science.

They seem to be obsessed with tourism for some reason, despite they own Mecca which gets so many visitors there is a quota to limit it. Just expand Mecca for more people and they got their tourism.

It's such a bad idea I didn't think it was real until I saw the new footage of construction. How can society advance so marvelously and yet with all our AI and engineering prowess we still get mega stupid ideas????

It’ll take a hundred years more to fully realize it as it’s presented, and that’s if the myriad of reasons for it to stall and fail are somehow miraculously overcome. As another person analyzed, these are about as tall as the Petronas towers and figuring you’d need about 100 of them per Km at a cost of around 1.5B USD, over 170km you’d be looking at 25.5 Trillion USD and that doesn’t include the myriad of bridges connecting the two walls or the metro system. It’s financially unaffordable. But then factor in it also presumes a demand based on population growth and data has been showing most of the developed world populations are in decline, raising serious doubt that there’s any such need for a new city for 9M people at all. It’s DOA. They could spend fractions of the money on many other investments that would have far greater value for humanity. They can sprinkle pretty renderings all over it but it doesn’t change the base realities of humanity and cities as organisms

There is a TTRPG called Paranoia, where you live in a city run by a crazy AI, that you can never leave. I think this is how it starts.

Some thoughts: This way of planning borders on communism. What first comes to mind are the numerous abandoned cities that communist China built. What will citizens DO in this city? Since the project is virtually disconnected from existing physical and economic networks, on what does it rely for its citizens necessary activities and resources? The Chinese example was actually based on economic development and still failed. Saudi Arabia presently has like 32 million inhabitants and a birthrate slightly over 2 but decreasing. That means that between a fourth and a third of all of its citizens will live there. What's the point of having a high speed train going from one end to the other, surpassing the dense city on top? Wouldn't a subway with regular stops make more sense (I assume they have that too, but that still doesn't mean that the high speed train makes sense. A regular fast train would)? The ends of the line don't look like as if they are special 'centers' that justify a high speed train station. If you build a linear city, you basically annihilate the concept of a center and thus the need for hierarchy, in both public transport and other amenities. Everything becomes the same and that is exactly what it looks like. Again: communism with a smiley stuck on it.

What people should not forget it taht, in all likelihood, this project was never meant to be actually built - I mean in reality, despite what thze project pitch said. This whole projeect was probably not more than feeding the appetite of a megalomaniac ruler and/or creating a gigaproject to reap the investments and then abandoning the project altogether. And once you know your "plans" and "designs" are never going to be actually built, it's only your imagination that limits your possibilities... Flying people? Sure. A dinarour park? Why not! A linear sci-fi city sprawling over hundreds of kilometers in a desert? Why, yes! Just let me dream - it ain't happening anyway...

Heat stroke is no joke!

Extra Bass = on

With a population density like that how do they deal with the sewage?

Maybe they are not building some fancy city at all. Maybe they are building something entirely different, and this supposed futuristic city is just a cover-up to avoid suspicion. As in a place they will send ''undesirable'' or ''difficult'' humans that won't follow their global order. Who says the plans they are showing us of happy families and gardens everywhere, are in fact what they will eventually build?

By the time this is actually complete (if at all), the first built parts will be like living in the ghetto with how much more technology will advance by then.

Every road to Utopia always leads to Dystopia, and every dystopian city is built with concrete (e.g., ancient Rome, WWII German civil constructions, Soviet Union Brutalism).

Lol they invited an American professor, you might as well have gotten my cat’s “educated” opinion.