The Six-Country Fight Over These Tiny, Terrible Islands
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As a Filipino, we are willing to share the spratlys to everyone who has a claim on it except China.
@boiwaif
29 күн бұрын
Is it pleasant to be an American attack dog?
@FATHOLLYWOODB123
29 күн бұрын
@@boiwaif Isn't it pleasant to have no friends? ;)
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
29 күн бұрын
For the most part, all the other parties think the same. China does not have good intentions with that region and they have shown they will muscle out everybody given the chance.
@miggywiggy
29 күн бұрын
@@boiwaifonly a Chinese person would be offended by this comment lol. The Philippines have no capability to “attack” as you claim. It can only defend and China is blatantly breaching into other nation’s territory which is just weird tbh. Imperialism much?
@firecrow7973
29 күн бұрын
@@boiwaif china? you mean west taiwan?
I have actually recently been wondering what was happening in that conflict right now, because I had looked into it a few years back. It's sad but also unsurprising to hear that nothing really has changed and the situation only keeps getting tenser.
@honor9lite1337
29 күн бұрын
Good finding.
@Dayvit78
29 күн бұрын
You mean no progress towards a solution has been made. But alot of construction has been happening.
@jamesshelby1355
18 күн бұрын
And china are destroying coral reefs there. I dunno where is that on west ph. I think they starting dredging. I dunno what u call that.sorry for grammatical error.
@jamesshelby1355
18 күн бұрын
Because west Philippines is rich on oil. Thats why. I just watch on news the other day. That they have large tube there on west Philippines sea. Maybe they gonna extract some oil.
You forgot to mention that Filipino fishermen already fish at Scarborough Shoal during the Spanish colonial period. The Murillo Velarde map of 1734 documents this with the name Panatag Shoal, which is what Filipinos call Scarborough at the time.
I'm a Filipino so I hear about the news regularly. While I hate what's going on, my sad hope is that it just goes on forever. At least never escalate
@blogdesign7126
28 күн бұрын
Yes and in the Philippines the Spratley's and parts of the Philippines is targeted the same way Ukraine is targeted.
@theviniso
28 күн бұрын
Yeah, that sounds like the best outcome as I don't see these countries settling this matter peacefully.
@theenzoferrari458
28 күн бұрын
Nah. Us Americans are gonna come in and take it. 😊
@ynnos5555
28 күн бұрын
Being passive will not be a good thing in the long run. They’re already closing in with bases in cross proximity of our main lands with operatives already planted in our community some even have gov’t positions & that discovery of them holding positions in our navy reserves. One even blatantly tried to join Miss Manila pageant lol. Our coral reefs destroyed, our fishermens catch stolen, drilling oil for themselves, our coastguard getting water cannoned, they even tresspass on our shores like that incident in which they forced to get an unknown rocket debris from local fishermen that hauled it inland. It’s better to act now before it’s too late.
@ArawnOfAnnwn
27 күн бұрын
@@blogdesign7126and for the same reason. The Chinese don't like American bases close to them, and don't want Manila letting them set up even more of them. Much like Russia wrt Ukraine.
These are The new balkans, to partially use a quote from Bismarck, „some damn foolish thing in the South China Sea will set of a war“ Edit: wow, this really blow up in Popularity
@carkawalakhatulistiwa
29 күн бұрын
Why balkans.
@neilwinnpineda7718
29 күн бұрын
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa grow a brain
@kennethservida6144
29 күн бұрын
Nah. It will not happen. 5 countries respects each other’s claim. Only China doesn’t.
@Pankkeli
29 күн бұрын
@@carkawalakhatulistiwaThe original quote speculated the Great War was to begin from the Balkans.
@1stGruhn
29 күн бұрын
It was 'unprecedented' when Germany invaded Poland.... yet no one did anything cause they didn't want to poke the tiger that was fascist party of Germany. China is such a tiger, and it is only growing more brazen.
Tom Clancy wrote a book about a conflict between China and the US stemming from competition over the Spratlys over 20 years ago. It's crazy to see what I hoped would be a work of fiction, slowly being made real.
@counterfit5
28 күн бұрын
Tom Clancy also wrote a book about China invading Siberia and then trying to nuke the US.
@cruisinguy6024
28 күн бұрын
There was also a fantastic computer game made based on his story, SSN, where the player is in control of one of the US Navy’s 688i attack subs
@hansalbers4554
28 күн бұрын
He also wrote a book about terrorists using a hijacked plane for an attack on US soil way before 9/11
@baylinkdashyt
27 күн бұрын
@@cruisinguy6024 I believe the book RSD is referring to is the book-of-the-game (and I don't know which one came first)...
@cruisinguy6024
27 күн бұрын
@@baylinkdashyt I just looked it up and they were both co-released in 1996. That’s actually a pretty cool idea, I wish he’d done it more as gaming technology developed.
You just need 1 loony leader in one of those countries for this to turn into a beach episode of ukraine
@Mustacheman17
29 күн бұрын
Pacific Theater & European Theater pt.2🎉
@barrytschirpig9328
29 күн бұрын
Ah yes, I remember that anime. It was the episode when the students SCS Academy went to the beach and Jinping-san kept chasing and splashing water at Bongbong-chan.
@me0101001000
29 күн бұрын
Oh no, not again
@Migssato
28 күн бұрын
The Philippines is a US ally it would trigger WW3
@aromaticsnail
28 күн бұрын
Does Winnie the Pooh count?
Everyone gangster until Mongolia reclaims their old lines on the map...
@ChannelHypermach
29 күн бұрын
Việt Nam:
@Mike-bt3ki
28 күн бұрын
They can't too weak. China is different they are too strong.
@lehoang3532
28 күн бұрын
As a Vietnamese, they are welcome to try. And maybe the Polish would love it as well - in a much more gallow humor.
@ChannelHypermach
28 күн бұрын
@@lehoang3532 hôm nay sinh nhật bác Hồ nè đồng chí :))
@heidirabenau511
26 күн бұрын
The UK:
As a Malaysian I'm so happy you're doing this topic
@dang3304
28 күн бұрын
Calling this a dispute in the title seems dishonest. It is actually an invasion.
@d1want34
27 күн бұрын
but in the end, China will take everything and nothing we can do 😢
@alraylazado3366
26 күн бұрын
@@dang3304 not a dispute had we not put that BRP sierra madre there. I mean we (the Philippines) gave zero f*cks when China declared that 9 dash line in 1950s
@fedinvestment
26 күн бұрын
Nonsense
@MrSamurailanx
25 күн бұрын
So what are you doing Malaysia? Just because a lot of your people are Chinese decent you don't want to get involved. Ch have destroyed a lot of shoals in Spratlys and destroyed a lot of corals. What is your tkn stand. You fkn scared.
Glad to know we’re destroying coral reefs so we can…overfish?
@pv2639
29 күн бұрын
It's worse than that. For one, chinese fishing FLEETS are destroying coral reefs previously untouched by man throughout the entirety of HUMAN HISTORY to harvest giant clams, not for their meat, but for the shells to use in JEWELRY AND OTHER COSMETIC PURPOSES.
The next global season of Jetleg is gonna be super hard with Sam banned from all these countries
@sportscaryungred
28 күн бұрын
Not all of them. Probably just china.
@wandererkent
27 күн бұрын
@@sportscaryungred I, for one, welcomes Sam to Taiwan always
@jean-lucwalker3690
26 күн бұрын
Ben and Adam probably wrote this episode for that exact purpose
Fun fact. With a Western Imperialist perspective, the *French* were the first to lay a sovereign claim to anything in the South China Sea. And they did so in 1933, where French Captain Georges Meesemaecker and his small flotilla would lay French Empirical claim to nine small rocks, all done with trumpets, a flag, and a letter in a bottle outlining the claim. The UK can't do this, despite the fact that they were there 99 years earlier and named the Spratly Islands. They saw, they named, but they never claimed:)
@doujinflip
29 күн бұрын
China’s dashed-line claim was subsequently a reaction to France’s enormous assertion. This still lives on today as Vietnam inherited and decided to continue pursuing the French claim to the SCS.
@deleted-something
29 күн бұрын
I’m pretty certain that people had claims before that
@KevinEnjoyer
29 күн бұрын
@@deleted-something None that got archived, apparently.
@abdiganiaden
29 күн бұрын
The French are the queens of not letting go Also they pulled US into Vietnam just cause they thought they could keep colonial nonsense going forever
@salciano
29 күн бұрын
@@KevinEnjoyer That's really funny. As an example, Mongol China claimed that area and far beyond to the point of going to war for it in 1293. China was already the sovereign in the area, long long before those claims... That is well over a thousand years of continued sovereignty well before anyone else!
The Philippines and Vietnam in fact signed a strategic agreement at Hanoi in January 2024 on security cooperation and to take a common position regarding the South China Sea. These two countries are the main opponents against China's ambition in the SCS region.
@ruztomjohntamayo9262
22 күн бұрын
But Vietnam claimed the most feactures in South China Sea more than China, Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia combined. They have a military base inside Philippine EEZ and already building oilrigs.
@irimeyilmaz956
20 күн бұрын
So your saying, the Philippines and China can also sign a strategic agreement. Philippine Fishermen wont approach Vietnamese islets in the west philippine sea. So can filipino fishermen not approach Chinese islets in the west philippine sea?
@jamesshelby1355
18 күн бұрын
And yet china claimed that island like they owned it. But its on Philippine territory.
@jamesshelby1355
18 күн бұрын
And yet china claimed that island like they owned it. But its on Philippine territory.
@irimeyilmaz956
17 күн бұрын
@@jamesshelby1355 so is vietnamese island in philippines eez. so is taiwanese island in the philippine eez. so is malaysian island in the philippines eez. so did vietnam make a military island base. in the philippines eez so did taiwan make an military islands base. in the philippines eez so did malaysia make an military islands base. in the philippines eez the problem is when you apply the law to one and not everyone.
There was no year 0. The Gregorian Calendar goes from 1BC->1AD.
@petitblanc7343
29 күн бұрын
TIL...makes sense though
@durdleduc8520
29 күн бұрын
if we wanna be assholes about it... there is, if you're any modern computer :) year 0 in the ISO is 1 BC
@joshgreen2164
29 күн бұрын
Evidence that Jesus is a myth
@cobble616
29 күн бұрын
@@joshgreen2164 lol all that proves is that they screwed up the calendar
@mahirooyama9424
29 күн бұрын
Most scholars agree that he was a real person the debate comes after that.
lets see how Sam brings planes into this video. wait wrong channel
@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza
29 күн бұрын
Love to Puerto Rico from Russia Beautiful island and culture
@MyersHunter
29 күн бұрын
BRICK
@Ring_-or2hy
29 күн бұрын
intro:
@FrozenBusChannel
28 күн бұрын
Let's see how Uncle Sam brings planes onto the islands! 🇺🇸
@CaptainAlliance
28 күн бұрын
*But I thought wendover was the plane guy*
The thing is that even if it is the same body of water referred to in those ancient texts, it genuinely does not matter. That's not how we settle claims because every place on the planet has about a dozen people who could make such a claim about it. Or does China think that Mongolia should be allowed to take over most of its territory?
@Raiaka
29 күн бұрын
The CCP are nothing if not consistent in their love for cherrypicking.
@MatthewTheWanderer
29 күн бұрын
LOL, (the Republic of) China claims Mongolia as part of China.
@dulguunjargal1199
29 күн бұрын
@@MatthewTheWanderer Doesn't matter If Countries justify their Invasions through Historical Pre-Ownership then Mongolia has complete Rights to Takeover Both Russia and China.
@vylbird8014
29 күн бұрын
Israel's validity was based on even older history. The only difference between conquest and legitimate territory is time. Outside of the polar regions, I doubt there's any land that has no changed hands at the business end of a weapon at some point.
@yerri5567
28 күн бұрын
@utkphilobio Ok so lets not talk about ancient text. China is literally the first modern country in the region to lay claims to those islands in the 1940s. It was not until 3 decades later that Vietnam, PH etc started making their claims in the 1970s
Just another problem that an epic game of Paper, Rock, Scissors could solve.
@honor9lite1337
29 күн бұрын
Why not go funnier with squid game?
@quattrocity9620
28 күн бұрын
Scissors cuts paper, rock makes scissors cut paper, paper folds under the pressure.
@RevenantCheetosx
28 күн бұрын
@@quattrocity9620lizard poisons Spock. Spock disproves paper. Lizard eats paper. Rock crushes lizard
@wildfire9280
28 күн бұрын
That’s a downright heretical order you got there.
Surprisly, I saw no mentions or references to PAG-ASA ISLAND in this video. Implying that the only stake of the Philippines in the area is just a grounded landing vessel. Maybe I just missed it.
@tropical_flak
29 күн бұрын
Yeah he didn't mention it at all. I assume for comedic effect, while also highlighting the difference in naval power between the two nations.
@Gelatinocyte2
28 күн бұрын
For anyone else: "pag-asa" translates to "hope"/"hoping" or "chance" in English.
@Brydsteaxs
27 күн бұрын
@@tropical_flak The whole world laughs at the rusty old ship yet China seems to be intimidated by it.😂😂😂
@alraylazado3366
26 күн бұрын
@@Brydsteaxsthey're "intimidated" and we can tell cause they're building artificial islands and sending large groups of boats?
@choijulian6704
3 күн бұрын
@@BrydsteaxsChina see right through Philippines dirty tricks.
China: "Why do people hate us?" also China: "All your islands are ours!"
@LuwigChannel
29 күн бұрын
Technically, as someone born in Taiwan, it's all ours.
@honor9lite1337
29 күн бұрын
@@LuwigChannelScientifically, as every land must be some part of this one big earth, any claim of ownership is social construct.
@hgos7211
29 күн бұрын
The US literally borrowed their warships to China after WW2, to help reclaim Hainan and the Spartly islands from the Japanese.
@churblefurbles
29 күн бұрын
Now look at western imperialism.
@JamesCoffey
29 күн бұрын
They don't care that they are hated, they hate everyone else. But they do use your niceness against you, they are amazing hypocritics
I'm surprised that Great Britain isn't partly responsible for this
@neeljavia2965
29 күн бұрын
Exactly 😂
@caesarmatty
29 күн бұрын
The Brits did name them
@mfaizsyahmi
29 күн бұрын
The Brits did severely weaken the Qing Dynasty with funny flower drugs that caused its instability and eventual collapse. Also the Allies in general didn't offer much help to KMT's defence of china against the Japanese, which weakened KMT and eventually they lost mainland to the communists.
@servant-of-the-federation
28 күн бұрын
😂
@theviniso
28 күн бұрын
There's a first for everything.
The amount of coral reef destroyed is astounding
Here's one cool detail, the name of the historical document China referenced for its claim - Yiwu Zhi 異物誌 literally means "archive of the strange and foreign things" as in things that are strange and foreign to China. So that means the reefs are .... get this... not Chinese.😂
@Ziyue-bc7px
29 күн бұрын
《异物志》是中国第一部记述岭南物产,土著民风,生产技术的书籍,它开创后了代各类型“异物志”的体例,对后世的影响深远。此后中国典籍中出现了大批“异物志”,如《临海水上异物志》、《南州异物志》、《凉州异物志》、《巴蜀异物志》、《扶南异物志》、《岭南异物志》、《南中八郡异物志》、《广州异物志》、《岭表录异》
@Ziyue-bc7px
29 күн бұрын
异在文言文只有区别,优异,奇特,分开的意思,这里是奇异的事情,到你这变成了“foreign things”外来物,鉴定为高中没读过就不要瞎几把科普了
@hgos7211
29 күн бұрын
The Chinese comment on top just disproved your comment entirely. It's "archive of the strange and unique things", not "foreign", lmao. So it is Chinese.
@JulianUccetta
29 күн бұрын
That and trying to claim land based on a single sentence that is basically from bible times is a bit ridiculous. The area has been claimed and settled countless times over the centuries. The fact China is trying to claim the entirety of that region is also ridiculous. And they wonder why everyone hates them.
@churblefurbles
29 күн бұрын
@@JulianUccetta They all hate each other around that region, you aren't making the point you are imagining.
Indonesia also has started to get pulled in this mess due to the fact that despite the Natuna Islands being universally recognized as Indonesian territory & far from the ultra-disputed coral islands, China (and technically also Taiwan's)South China Sea lines touched and even overlapped Indonesia's (again universally recognized) EEZ at their farthest reaches, which caused tensions between Indonesia and Chinese coast guards.
@rp-hr1qs
28 күн бұрын
Indonesian-Chinese relations seem different from Philippine-Chinese relations in that chinese are more aggressive in the wps exclusive economic zone and the Philippine politics is very hostile to perceived Chinese influence. Economic benefits of China is also different between the rest of ASEAN and the Philippines
@ArawnOfAnnwn
27 күн бұрын
@@rp-hr1qsChina gets along better with Indonesia because it's neutral, whereas the Philippines even hosts American bases.
@Brydsteaxs
27 күн бұрын
@@ArawnOfAnnwn that's what was happening with the current admin but even with duterte's pro-china policy china has always been aggressive. The shift back towards the US's side is because china seems to be more aggressive when PH tries to be on friendly terms with them. China did not see PH as a friend nor an ally so we are forced to use every option available for us. US bases is only a reaction for china's aggressiveness but people try to flip the argument and blame ph alone.
@ArawnOfAnnwn
27 күн бұрын
@@Brydsteaxs No one's trying to blame the Philippines. Rather they're seen as a victim and battleground for the contest between China and the US. Kinda like Ukraine, who even supporters of Russia don't blame so much as they take issue with NATO i.e. US.
@Brydsteaxs
27 күн бұрын
@@ArawnOfAnnwn that's the same as blaming PH and ukraine. Ukraine's only choice is to side with NATO since russia is always holding a knife at its throat. It's the same with PH, even with the arbitral ruling for our EEZ china seems to be more belligerent with any diplomatic solution presented by PH's side. So, you see, the options are to fight with allies or to fight alone. Either way china pressures PH to bow down to china or fight against them without leaving any leeway. BTW people seem to forget that PH is a treaty ally of the US and whether we host US bases or not both countries are forced to fight alongside each other. That's why hosting US bases is a defense mechanism rather than an act of spite. The Philippines is a victim for it's proximity to its wild neighbor and not as consequence between 2 idiotic superpowers being at each other's throat.
The whole video is great, but the best part is the amazing visual of the nation's maps projected on top of their land. Amazing work as always.
China's historical claim to the south china sea is the same level of ridiculous as Italy claiming sovereignty over Egypt because it used to be part of Rome, or the UK claiming to control the US because they sent the original colonists there, or Taiwan claiming to be the sole ruler of mainland China because they used to govern it, or Norway claiming Canada because the Vikings stopped by there for a bit once upon a time. "Our sailors once passed by here 2000 years ago" is not a basis for a claim. It wasn't even a basis for a claim 2000 years ago. A claim to a place requires a permanent physical presence. A claim can also be usurped by another by physically kicking the first out. Essentially, the king of the hill is the one standing on it. The record of who used to stand on it means nothing. It's brutal playground bullshit, but that's the reality of international sovereignty, it only exists as far as you're willing to push the other guy off your hill. China's real best claim to the islands there is that they have set up permanent bases there and nobody has kicked them out yet.
@yerri5567
28 күн бұрын
@ARabidPie No? If we want to talk about recent history, then China is the first country in the region to claim sovereignty over the islands in the SCS (1940s). Others made their claims in the 1970s after oil was found. As first claimant, theirs is the strongest claim, Id say thats theirs.
@ABC-ABC1234
28 күн бұрын
You clearly don't understand that ownership although unfairly is never a matter of closeness to another nation (example is France - Indian ocean territories, or Turkey-vs Greek islands) but a matter of succession of ownership. China fought the Japanese until the very last day and the whole reason why Japan declared war on China was because of the ... SOUTH CHINA SEA!!! Do you now understand why China will even risk WW3 if anyone dares to negate its claim in that region. While Vietnam/Malaysia/Borneo/Phillipines were mere spectators in WW2, China paid a HEAVY price resisting Japanese occupation and was rewarded UNSC seat...
@IamHandsome4u
28 күн бұрын
Bro has zero idea abt its history.😂😂
@ArawnOfAnnwn
27 күн бұрын
Israel is a thing. The west seems quite happy to accept claims based on ancient heritage (which isn't even the case here as much, as pointed out above) when it's from people they like. If that argument has no merit, then neither does the existence of...
@trungdoan2505
27 күн бұрын
Spectator? Lmao. Go read more history please hahahahaha. My god. So many ignorant people@@ABC-ABC1234
Bolivia should have them
As a vietnamese , we claim this island is our but everyone does so basiclly it like some sort of international water which no one want to militarize ,fishmen from all around come and sometime got caught by some others navy , but when china come and massively build naval base and naval partice , that enrage us
The fact that everyone in that region fears what China is doing and might do with the South China Sea tells you a lot about China's claims & actions. Taiwan & Japan have arguments over islands & waters but they don't fear the other side will launch some sort of war over it. But CHINA....they are showing intent to actually use force to take it all. And their claims are massive areas. Sure Taiwan, also has similar claims but it's mostly just to keep the Chinese claims and prevent China from just easiliy taking all the waters & islands.
@NewsGuyFred
29 күн бұрын
Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Philippines have specifically called out China over this matter suggesting it is indeed China that is creating this whole crisis.
@NewsGuyFred
29 күн бұрын
Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Philippines have specifically called out China over this matter suggesting it is indeed China that is creating this whole crisis.
@thes7754
29 күн бұрын
They even claim an entire state in India, they regularly try and cross into India and refuse to demarcate an official borde[
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
29 күн бұрын
@@thes7754 They also claim lots of Bhutan's land and started building settlements & military posts Bhutan's land in the north. The whole claim on the north is likely to get Bhutan to give up land on the west....which would be a strategic military position against India.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
29 күн бұрын
@@thes7754 China is indeed trying to go after India in many spots. WSJ youtube has a video titles "Why China’s Land Grab in Bhutan Threatens India". Check it out
It’s like claiming land according to the bible😂
@Ucfahmad
29 күн бұрын
Isn’t that what Israel does
@DDRWakaLaka
29 күн бұрын
@@Ucfahmadnope, that's actual anthropology. begone, mohammed
@filip9564
29 күн бұрын
@@Ucfahmadwell atleast they are not sacrificing their own population to get sympathy from restratled university students…
@henryyue5784
29 күн бұрын
@@Ucfahmad exactly
@juanthegreat3954
29 күн бұрын
@@Ucfahmad Israel don't use Bible. Lol
IMHO South China Sea is the pre-WWI Balkans of this century...
@wraspita
29 күн бұрын
While that is a cool comparison indeed, for the sake of humanity, I hope you are NOT right.
@JRAS_
29 күн бұрын
@@wraspita dont worry it would be much harder to genocide each other out in the high seas....right?
@donwald3436
29 күн бұрын
Nah everyone was cool until CCP got extra grabby.
@C0lon0
29 күн бұрын
@@JRAS_ it would be hard before nukes were a thing
@Mustacheman17
29 күн бұрын
but do you see them fighting each other or just China?
I appreciate the use of motion blur in the graphics... which as simply stellar. I appreciate the time and effort that goes into these videos.
Front Mission 3 introduced me to the crazy politics of this region.
@awildcyclistappears
29 күн бұрын
Good taste.
Last week was boeing and Now the hottest geopolitical drama...Protect this man at all costs. Can't believe all this drama is essentially over Fish.
4:40 Did you just say coral? 6-2-1, you have have a new job...
@ToxikDouche
29 күн бұрын
HA i see what u did there
@SwordOfSephiroth
28 күн бұрын
@@ToxikDouche Look at that, you made a friend.
Indonesia also have a territory in Natuna Island which is also claimed by China, so technically there are 7 countries involved in this dispute Edit: guys stop fighting in the replies lol.
@URBAN_Resistance
29 күн бұрын
Lol indo is so quiet seems like theres no claims 🤣i know why china trying to buy u guys with those investments
@carkawalakhatulistiwa
29 күн бұрын
China claims 200 km² of sea not land. Indonesia 🇮🇩 Hope China backtracks on its claim 12 km to the east.
@fritzkier
29 күн бұрын
wdym lol. unlike those tiny terrible islands, Natuna is an actual island (2000km2 area) and people actually live there. Almost 100k people live there actually, and it's governed by the Indonesian government.
@fritzkier
29 күн бұрын
and it's actually in the natuna sea, not the south china sea. (china claims north natuna sea as china sovereign, not the actual island)
@rhs_0938
29 күн бұрын
@@URBAN_Resistance As important as Natuna Island & Sea, Dispute with China: 1) WON'T LIMIT OUR MOVEMENTS EITHER IT'S CIVILIAN OR MILITARY SHIPS. 2) WON'T BANKRUPT OUR COUNTRY, I mean Indonesia is a member of G20, biggest economy in SEA. We have A LOT OF SEAS, which means a lot of ALTERNATIVES, unlike your POOR & SMALL country. 😂
geopolitics is a hell of a confusing drug
@dailyrant4068
27 күн бұрын
Finally, someone that recognizes something beyond the obvious BS all these governments talk about
China in 50 years when the spratly islands have disappeared due to sea levels risisng: 😡😡😡
@bennoble3610
29 күн бұрын
They will just build an artificial island on top
@churblefurbles
29 күн бұрын
They wil have the only islands above sea level at that point.
@illyrian44
28 күн бұрын
Yeah sure that's real
@Liebestod0001
28 күн бұрын
you have found the only realistic way to solve the problem: sea level rising!
@Larry-Lobster
28 күн бұрын
rip florida
Is it ever pragmatic to worry? I'd have thought it's pragmatic to *address* that worry -- making that last line doubly unfortunate for its location in the video. Reminds me a little bit of the first CONNECTIONS series by James Burke, a sweeping history-of-science project with draconian overtones about dystopian futures, in which Burke effectively concluded the whole thing by saying, "So what should you do? I don't know." Thanks ever so much, James.
FYI: Chinese spelling is not pronounced like French spelling. The Hainan capital of Haikou is pronounced like "hai-koh", not like "haiku".
@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263
28 күн бұрын
In hainanese, it will be haihau
well, starting off with a boeing flight is already .... super dangerous
That old US landing ship is pretty sad looking. Throw a new coat of paint on it or something.
@doujinflip
29 күн бұрын
They would but China keeps blocking reconstruction supplies from getting to it.
@azaph_gaming
29 күн бұрын
Imagine you are stationed on that derelict, rusted out wreck in the middle of nowhere.
@Watchwatch122
29 күн бұрын
Pinoy can’t afford to house its people in Manila, how can they get to painting a ship? Lmao
@G.A.C_Preserve
27 күн бұрын
@@doujinflip Vietnam managed to expand their island, why not the Philippines. Just Brute Forces it
@marlstravelogue
27 күн бұрын
@@G.A.C_Preservehavent heard of Kalayaan Island? Search for it the poster did not include it to make Phils a lauging stock.
I don't know why China wouldn't want to seek a compromise as the biggest regional power. It could agree to having the waters be held by nobody to allow safe passage and free trade, and negotiate partnerships or division of resource exploitation rights. Everybody could get something out of this, and stop wasting their time and resources over a bunch of useless islands and non-islands, along with being able to avoid potentially getting dragged into a war with the US over these dumb islands in particular. It just looks like pride to me, and pride cometh before the fall.
@John_Smith_86
29 күн бұрын
That is silly. They rather grab everything
@xenorealm9269
29 күн бұрын
this will surly invite US navy to there and risk blocking the entire south coast sea passage of China.
@pv2639
29 күн бұрын
That's what a single authoritarian state does. The sad thing is, even if some people in power are thinking their current actions are not the way to approach this issue, their broken communist AI will not allow them to back down. And for what? Just so they don't lose face. Imagine destroying nature for absolutely nothing but pride 😢😢
@eleinaedelweiss6215
29 күн бұрын
2 words wolf warrior
@r1_anon
28 күн бұрын
Every Chinese comment looks like one of the following: We are strong. You are weak. Yours are mine. Hahahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
It doesn't matter what is right and wrong it's how much military power you have and what you can force to happen.
I learned about these islands a couple decades ago, and the countries claiming them. It was nice to see e video dedicated to it.
I don't even have to watch it to know, that oil reserves are in the area
@stephena1196
29 күн бұрын
It does suggest why US has plans for 2 more military bases in The Philippines, they already have 5 there.
@Wohlfe
29 күн бұрын
Even without oil, The Philippines and Taiwan are very close US allies for historical and geopolitical reasons so will likely back their claims.
@kacperslaczka6290
29 күн бұрын
3.6 billion barrels ain't much tho. Libya produces around 1 million a day, Russia 11 millions a day, Saudi Arabia 12 millions a day and US 15 millions a day. At 10 millions barrels a day - about as much as Russia/Saudi Arabia produces - it would only last a year, and at 1 millions barrels a year - Libyan production - it would last 10 years. It's of course a lot of money, but not worth starting a war over that for China, or for others against China.
@kiwiman9754
29 күн бұрын
Its about oil, but I don't think it's about the oil in the ground. I think the real reason is so that china can have a military presence near the Malacca strait. Because if things kick off, the first thing the US would do is block oil tankers etc sailing through to China.
@Mike-bt3ki
28 күн бұрын
It would be an engineering feat to extract the oil from beneath the sea floor, not as simple as on land.
The name 'Taiping island' makes me nervous...
@LittleWhole
29 күн бұрын
Taiping/Taihei/Taepyeong/Thái Bình literally just means "great peace". The Pacific Ocean is called Taipingyang/Taiheiyou/Taepyeong'yang/Thái Bình Dương in East Asia. The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was called so because they wanted to be known as the "Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace", which is what the name of the country literally means. Yes, it was an ironic name, and so was "Taiping Rebellion" (literally "Rebellion of Great Peace").
@SomeoneFromBeijing
29 күн бұрын
You wouldn’t be if you spoke Chinese. Taiping Island is太平岛, the city you’re thinking of is Taipei-- 臺北 in traditional Chinese or 台北 in simplified Chinese.
@ImmortalKitsune
29 күн бұрын
@@SomeoneFromBeijing I don't think he's thinking of a city, I think he's thinking of the Taiping Rebellion (太平天國運動), AKA the deadliest civil war in human history.
@SomeoneFromBeijing
29 күн бұрын
@@ImmortalKitsune That would be a stretch. The Pacific Ocean is 太平洋. Many roads and parks are also called 太平. The word means "eternal peace". It is widely used in China.
@samiraperi467
29 күн бұрын
@@SomeoneFromBeijing Which isn't common knowledge outside China. What you know isn't what others know.
There is no year zero. When the Gregorian calendar was established, it went from 1 BC directly to 1 AD the following year.
All these global events provide such a great opportunity for people who have absolutely nothing to do with it, to pick a side in a conflict they aren't involved with, or don't understand, to argue with people online, feel morally superior and insult with an alternative view. What a time to be alive.
Why is the reach of Han dynasty sovereignty even relevant when it comes to modern day China? You're conceding *so* much by even mentioning that talking point. Does Italy have a right to claim all of Spain, France, England, Egypt, Turkey, the Balkans, and the entirety of northern Africa because the Roman empire once occupied it?
@martin80741
14 күн бұрын
Are you projecting your own bias? This video doesn't justify or validate claims; it just explains the bases of said claims.
@calvinmonkey
10 күн бұрын
@@martin80741 My bias against the the idea a country can claim territory today based on what the borders *may have been* 2000 years ago? Absolutely.
@martin80741
10 күн бұрын
@@calvinmonkeyThe idea is China's, not the video creator's. He is simply explaining how China is trying to justify its claim, not whether it's valid or not
Somewhat lacking. No mention of the efforts at multilateral resolution of disputes via the efforts are forging a Code of Conduct for the South China Sea, and the power dynamics that have hampered those efforts. Also it doesn't explain how the ASEAN claimants have been cordial with one another on the matter for years.
@weir-doe3205
26 күн бұрын
Oh yes, the one that is only attended by non-claimamts such as Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar? I saw that on TV and I lolled myself so hard that they are agreeing over nothing to be claimed?
Lines on map. Make my day. In all seriousness though, this is very fascinating to see how each nation decided to claim parts of the South China Sea. It really helped me to understand maybe just a little how this is such a touchy and delicate subject, effecting all nations in the South China Sea.
It's easy to see but hard to believe that a fight over these tiny islands and/or Taiwan could escalate ultimately into a nuclear war between superpowers. How absurd!!
Jet Lag claiming obscure islands and atolls in South China Sea would be dope
Great video, should be shown in the biggest screen in Bamban Tarlac in 4K
@siremerrionepie9796
28 күн бұрын
Your honor, I don't remember
I love Wendover videos
The important note is, Taiwan is siding with China in this Spratly island dispute. They consider the nine dash line as theirs. Also, there is southern island of Natuna that China wants to dispute with Indonesia. But Indonesia refuse to negotiate or talk about it at all. since opening any negotiation meaning that the nine dash claim as true.
Philippines is not a small country, they rank 74th, almost same size as Italy and bigger than New Zealand and UK and they have like 115 million people.
@user-zb8tq5pr4x
15 күн бұрын
Philippines are not a superpower.
@davidk.d.7591
6 күн бұрын
They are compared to China though
I think this guy and the guy from HAI would get along quite well
Outstanding music this episode
Fun fact, "The Haijin (海禁) or sea ban was a series of related isolationist policies in China restricting private maritime trading and coastal settlement during most of the Ming dynasty and early Qing dynasty." So how and when did islands in the South China Sea became historically Chinese territory?
Year 2124: China claims Hawaii as its territory as per the historical records of the Ching dynasty
@purplelord8531
29 күн бұрын
after tibet you'd think nobody would take some action against them...
@pierredelecto7069
29 күн бұрын
Makes as much sense as how we got Hawaii lol.
@JRAS_
29 күн бұрын
Breaking news, Mongolia claims all of China and Russia as per Genghis Khan's conquest
@Rob_F8F
29 күн бұрын
@@pierredelecto7069Seizing land is always legal in the first-person: We seized it. It is only illegal in the third-person: They seized it.
@KSmifune
29 күн бұрын
year 3000: China claims the Milky way
China claims James Shoal to be the southern most point of their territory, which it’s not even above the sea level. I am not sure how they manage to push this down to every Chinese national’s throat. Gonna be some next level mental gymnastics.
@alexc6926
29 күн бұрын
Of course they will they been doing it for 2000 years like Russia and Prussia it their history. Constantly invade their neighbors claim their land and lie.
@SomeoneFromBeijing
29 күн бұрын
One word: nationalism. Nationalism is used by literally every country in the world to justify their actions. It doesn’t matter if you’re Chinese, American, or even German- you have a national myth that is flimsy at best, but everyone believes it. You might laugh at China’s national myths, but apparently Americans believe they are uniquely free. Honestly, I don’t like nationalism. It’s dumb.
@pacjam418
29 күн бұрын
Brainwashing
@donaldlee8249
29 күн бұрын
Taiwan also claims James Shoal to be their southern most point, why there’s no fuffing about it
@yerri5567
28 күн бұрын
@NomadMao As per PHs sovereignty handover treaty from US to PH, it specifies that PH does not have sovereignty over anything in the SCS. "I am not sure how they manage to push this down to every PH national’s throat. Thats some next level mental gymnastics".
He neglected to mention that Taiwan is not part of the UN, so they pretty much ignored the Philippines ruling too.
Paracel, Spratley, South China Sea Man, I know all of these. From Bf4. Not gonna lie, it's just a beach episode of Balkans
Another banger my friend
No way bro did the Nebula ad when we haven’t seen a logistics of X video in like a year 😅
I saw "fight" as "flight" and thought it was odd HAI wasn't the one doing whatever this particular odd quirk in airline transportation would be lol
This is like a footnote or behind the scenes Video for the MapMen Episode to explain more Details.
These islands are loaded with GUANO. Guano is like Spice in Dune. He who controls the guano will have control over the Empire !
@Ace-990
29 күн бұрын
How long was that coma bro 😂😂
@theloopholeisntaahol
29 күн бұрын
Guano is just a fancy word for bird shit
@kosmosXcannon
29 күн бұрын
@@theloopholeisntaahol If I remember an old video. There was or maybe still is a South American country that got colonized by Spain long ago because it had a ton of bird shit.
@Homer-OJ-Simpson
29 күн бұрын
@@theloopholeisntaahol Or bat sh1t. It's also not as lucrative as it once was now they there are other sources of fertilizer at lower costs.
@left9096
29 күн бұрын
Ever heard of haber-bosch?
Every Chinese comment looks like one of the following: We are strong. You are weak. Yours are mine. Hahahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂
@GnomaPhobic
28 күн бұрын
And then they wonder why people don't like China.
@IamHandsome4u
28 күн бұрын
Nice made up line, which no chinese ever said.😂😂
@r1_anon
28 күн бұрын
@@IamHandsome4u SHUT UP. How many missile do you have? Stop talking and send me your missiles! Otherwise all these islands are mine! 😂😂😂
@Treksh
27 күн бұрын
@@IamHandsome4uHave a look at Chinese social media bro there are always comments like this and way worse than this around. I have seen them first hand while reading Chinese books int their comments sections. They joke around with 'I cant breathe' they call the N word straight up, they celebrate genocides of other races in stories.
@klexypuncher6963
26 күн бұрын
I think that's a US quote except that need to include a liner on "International Rules based Order"
This is just a massive game of Anno 2070
Simultaneously flies to... that's an impressive plane.
@15:02 "China was found in the wrong"
@Mastercane98
28 күн бұрын
By a court in a us colony, how surprising.
@dekialev
28 күн бұрын
@Mastercane98 Be that as it may, China is a signatory and a member of that court. Yet the former deliberately chose to not recognize the latter's ruling.
@scottlancaster2865
28 күн бұрын
@@dekialev Because major players don't actually have to listen to any of the shit the UN has to say. This goes for America, this goes for Russia, and yes this also goes for China. In reality international law is primarily a cudgel by which said major player are able to exact a policy of control over minor country's domestic politics, in essence its an oblique method of imperial administration which poses itself as some sort of neutral body for arbitration. Welcome to international law.
@Ergzay
23 күн бұрын
@@Mastercane98 I find it funny how crazy Chinese people view literally all of Japan, Philipines, all of Europe and many other places as "US colonies". It says a lot about how distorted they view the world. And also shows how little they understand the concept of pax americana. They think that America rules by fear/force when in reality it holds sway by friendliness, cooperation, and upholding the wishes of other countries.
@davidk.d.7591
6 күн бұрын
It's even funnier with the WTO. Look what India, China and the US are doing there@@scottlancaster2865
Land is land, it doesn't have "memory". Who "owns" the land is whoever has the power to defend the land from others.
@k31than
29 күн бұрын
Funny how that sounds. It's like saying, "Whoever is capable of eating all the 5 boxes of pizza on the table gets all the pizza, and it doesn't matter if the pizza is placed right in front of the person sitting at the edge of the table next to it.
@scottlancaster2865
28 күн бұрын
@@k31than That's exactly how it works. Remember the Falklands?
@rp-hr1qs
28 күн бұрын
@@drugoviic israrl already has jurisdiction over most of the original UN partition for palestine. It's about in practice vs what is believed.
@dailyrant4068
27 күн бұрын
@@k31than It's actually not that funny because that's how it works. For the same reason, why despite most countries including US agrees to 1-China policy, most of us with brains understand Taiwan is practically self governed country because it literally rules it. It's also no different than how you will say yes to your boss, or say yes to the IRS even if you don't agree with what they tell you to do. You still in kindergarten or something where you think you can just complain to the teacher? Welcome to the real world. I find it funny that people don't understand this. You all talk about dictatorship as if it's the only thing that's evil, and at the same time happily complain about corporations or "elites" (or for those of you in MAGA camp, "deep state").
@yvfk
26 күн бұрын
so russia own those ukraine territory lol?
And of course wendover starts with aircraft info
China are also provoking Australia. Remember the sonar incident that injured Aussie divers?
@pokinacha
29 күн бұрын
They also blasted flares at one of our Naval helicopters a few weeks ago. What did our illustrious leader do? Nothing. Likely didn’t want to question his communist mate
WOW!
The Sierra Madre, the pride of the Philippine navy!
The Philippine National Territory consists of (1) All the islands of the Philippines Archipelago lying within the lines of the 1898 Treaty of Paris, (2) All the islands of the Philippines Archipelago lying outside the lines of the 1898 Treaty of Paris as clarified in the 1900 Treaty of Washington, and as shown in the 1734 Murillo Velarde Map, the 1808 Carta General del Archipelago Filipino, and the 1875 Carta General del Archipelago Filipino, (3) All the islands on the Philippines side of the boundary demarcated in the 1930 US-UK Treaty separating British North, Borneo, and Southern Philippines.
if watergun fights are fine, that means it's time to deploy metal gear ray
Western indo pacific or Philippine sea , Or north by south China sea is a tiny 150 mile from shore being very kind to them when saying this but unfortunately they've spent huge money to get people to call a massive exaggerated area this name south China sea. Ppl see China on a map and overlook the fact its island nations who own more international waters in this sea than China ever has.
@CrasusC
29 күн бұрын
This guy did zero historical research and just started putting forward assertions.
@dadsonworldwide3238
29 күн бұрын
@CrasusC just recently in the internet age did I start noticing older millineals referring to it as south China sea far beyond its international waters. I assume it had something to do with after reagan took pity on China asking us to extend ww2 temporary waivers and help industrialize China and 3rd world nations. One China policy negotiation, donations to colleges like Muslim oil nations did with unesco and western colleges to get revisionist history curriculum taught. Buying propaganda starting with young gen similar to what we've witnessed wokism
@dadsonworldwide3238
29 күн бұрын
@CrasusC one thing democracy and free press you can buy all the lobby power to sway speech or change definitions if you pay enough we will take it all then change it back when the money runs dry
This just in: a volcanic island has just appeared today, China has recently discovered 12 century documents claiming these newly created islands has belonged to China since the 1800’s
The main port of Taiwan is Kaohsiung in the south of it, not Taipei, which is not even on the coast and is in the north, and not even by the South China Sea.
4:56 The bottom left corner reads "TEU count circa 2022". However, the numbers on screen are measured in thousands of TEUs, not TEUs.
Sierra madre?!?! Fallout new Vegas reference?!?!?? Elijah now holds that Territorial claim!?!?
@hafizmakiglalis4380
29 күн бұрын
Also the Philippines capital is called NCR
@Fritz_Salad
29 күн бұрын
@@hafizmakiglalis4380 patrolling in Makati almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
@Desolas_
28 күн бұрын
Time to wipe the slate clean.
Sam for jet lag you should do a tag across the world that last a week
The islands themselves have little value, but who controls them controls the see around them (what’s really important) and the oil/gas underneath
that beached philippines ship feels like something straight out of a bethesda game
Oooh look new plane video! *clicks*
Even calling it the south China sea makes it seem like it belongs to them. Might as well call it the south Taiwan sea to piss them off.
@somekindofhmm
29 күн бұрын
Taiwan sharing the same claims as China to the nine- or ten-dash line is still brazen and should not be accepted either. Many parts of these waters belong to various Southeast Asian countries by UNCLOS and are essential to sustaining the food security and economies of these countries long term.
@42VS42
29 күн бұрын
Yeah I've always said they should rename it the "West Philippine Sea"
@NewsGuyFred
29 күн бұрын
@@somekindofhmm Taiwan isn't really looking to claim it all...they are just claiming it because not doing so will give China more strength to take everything in the East Vietnam Sea. I mean West Philippine Sea. I mean North Indonesia Sea.
@alexroselle
29 күн бұрын
East Vietnamese Sea
@xNul
29 күн бұрын
Asian Sea?
even on google maps the archipelago is heavily blurred out meaning there's a lot of things going on
Audaciousness? I think you mean audacity! 😅
Shockingly, the US is right in the middle of it.🙄
only Malaysia and Brunei interpretation makes sense lmao
We all need to learn from the Icelandic Coast Guard on how to deal with illegal fishing vessels.
Well if it's a stalemate, it's good. They all want to protect their trade routes in the end.
The Philippine claim dates back to the Spanish Colonial times, with official maps under Spain and other European maps.
@Billy_Almighty
16 күн бұрын
kababayan nagkakamali ka.
Anyone else get Spongebob vibes from that shipwreck?
i wonder how well any of them will last with rising sea levels
For us Vietnamese, the Paracel and Spartly islands are not just territorial claim but also the result of the monarchial dynasty's effort to pursue control over it.