Saber: 50% health lead, about to win. Archer: So as I pray- Saber: Bruh

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

Never count a man who has nothing to lose and an undisclosed amount of swords out

@01Gshadow

3 ай бұрын

Commenter: OOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!! (ORGASM)

Lancer in this game is one of the few times in my life where I opened up training mode, and within two minutes was thinking "I think this character is completely busted" and then when I looked up the actual tier lists he was actually that broken.

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

While researching this video I watched a lot of high level play and seeing lancer kill off of one hit was quite the experience

22:25 To build off this, Saber in Type Lumina also says lines from Fate Unlimited Codes (i.e intro dialogue, win pose dialogue) 🐈

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Yup, You’ve got a good ear.

nice breakdown man a few things that are worth mentioning: 1. Most Supers in the PS2 and Arcade versions do not exactly scale like combo scaling, so the placement in a combo does not affect their damage. they simply do 50% damage after any hit. a 1 hit combo into Super will weaken the Super just as much as a 100 hits combo. 2. Archer isn't just a better Shirou in the game. Archer is mainly more defensive and well-rounded, while Shirou is more offensive and more focused on a Rushdown playstyle. especially with his Pressure. Shirou also throws projectiles faster in his zoning. 3. PSP version also nerfed the damage scaling down heavily, so you will deal less damage in a combo, especially a long one. probably the reason they buffed up all supers to always unscaled, and Grail Super to do more damage to compensate.

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info! It still surprises me the amount of differences from psp to ps2 they really went out of their way

26:24 About Kirei and Rin has similar movesets. Yeah it's pretty clear that because Rin was taught by Kirei when she was young after event of Zero, plus that martial art is Bajiquan that Kirei practices (or merely imitates his father). This details also apply to FGO so that Rider Ishtar-Rin, Rasputin-Kirei, Sessyoin Kiara (for some reasons) and the master himself Li Shuwen all has Bajiquan attacks.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s why I pointed it out, I love the attention to detail. They do something similar in Type Lumina with Shiki and Aoko, they have similar looking kick attacks (which doesn’t make much sense when you think about it because in canon Shiki only ever met her twice and she didn’t train him or anything like rin and Kirei).

@mojito8948

8 ай бұрын

@@Drzuul Carnival phantasm tho

That amount of disrespect that Luvia commited should be illigal

This video is giving me GuileWinQuote vibes, and I’m loving it.

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

Hey whatever floats your boat as long as you’re enjoying it I’m definitely doing something right. Love the Ash pfp he’s my second favorite kof protagonist

Super glad to see a video on this game in depth, I actually brought a physical setup for this game on my PS2 with a CRT TV pretty regularly to locals at one point but sadly very few ever actually played it with me. It's a really cool fighting game that meshes together such a bizarre blend of mechanics, both intended by the developers and not, and if you're a Fate/TM fan it's filled with such an incredible reverence for the source material in ways that I can't help but smile from. Honestly I really hope to see more videos in general on niche fighting games from you as I feel it really works well for you and allows games that normally get ignored to get more of a spotlight which is always good. I actually didn't know the whole detail of the rejected French Bread Fate fighting game but it sorta makes me sad, I feel like that would be really cool. Then again MBTL has had so many Fate reps that they'll be damned if they don't get their wish in some form lol. Truthfully I'd be fine with MBTL's roster sort of ending up in sort of a KOF style crossover situation where it's primarily Tsukihime but with reps all over Type Moon. The fact we got no Mahoyo reps after the rerelease is a god damn crime, Alice or Touko would be killer fighting game characters.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it’s hard to get people to show up a locals (myself included) let alone try a new game but respect to you for trying. Both this and melty have an insane amount of detail that just go over the average fighting game fan’s head. I honestly believe if you read Tsukihime you enjoy melty blood more, at least I did. I 100% going to do more videos on niche fighting games and this whole month, just gave me a ton of ideas for episodes. Also, I don’t think you’re too far off because while I suspect this is the end of fate characters in lumina I have a strong suspicion more type moon characters will be coming in the future like Ryougi and I’d be shocked if we didn’t get mahoyo representation. Especially considering the push it’s been getting Recently (English translation, anime, actually acknowledging that it’s supposed to be more than one part). It all really depends on what they wanna do with the game and I guess that’s connected to the remake as well so it’s all up in the air.

@saishuumusou

Жыл бұрын

@@Drzuul Yeah unfortunately while it's gotten way better over the years than it used to be there are still small subsets of the FGC that tend to stigmatize certain games for being too old/too weeby/too poverty or what have you. It can be kind of annoying to deal with sometimes but it is what it is I guess, I did at least get a few people to play with me so as long as two people play a game it ain't dead lol. And yeah, I wholeheartedly agree on Tsukihime increasing the enjoyment of Melty. I played Melty years before ever reading the VN as just a general fan of fighting games, and I thought it was kinda fun and cool but it didn't completely click or resonate with me right away. But I feel way more appreciation for it having actually played the VN and Kagetsu Tohya proper. It honestly makes sense, the game was probably initially not made with the intent of having staying power among the general FGC as it was to just appeal to fans of the VN in Japan at the time, it just happened to be decently successful among fighting game players too for being a fun fighting game.

This was Well researched! Great Video! The only little tidbit I could possibly add is unlike other Arcade Fighting Games (ex: GGXX series) where Console Exclusive characters are generally not Tourney legal until they are added to the arcade version, the community for FUC has always allowed the Console Characters in tournament.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

It is pretty interesting because it seems like ps2 is tournament standard outside of Japan which just speaks to how incredibly faithful the port is. Also they cheat with saber Lilly because she’s a glorified costume. Thanks for watching and commenting I appreciate it.

Loving your channel after I just recently found it! Loving the TM coverage in particular. I really loved the special missions in mission mode in particular cause it usually was a reference to a plot point in FSN specifically. The one where you use Archer against Berserker with a permanently activated Unlimited Blade Works for example comes to mind.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Yeah those are the dramatic battles they’re great. They’ve got one where it’s saber and Shirou vs berserker, a direct reference to their fate route fight. Also rider’s ex mission is just her vs saber running up the sky scraper and you have to knock saber off it’s a little silly. This is a fighting game chattel first and foremost, melty blood and WFG, but after the positive response to this video series, I really would like to make more Type Moon videos. I’m glad you’re enjoying the content it means a lot! Thanks for watching.

I like how the thumbnail states 'The Best Fate Fighting Game' when, to my knowledge, F/UC is the ONLY Fate fighting game. The only official one, at least.

@Drzuul

6 күн бұрын

In the context of the thumbnail, I am counting fan games. Although there is tiger Colosseum, which is a fighting game and if you compare the two, yeah this one’s the best.

@genereaver

5 күн бұрын

@@Drzuul Huh, and Tiger Colosseum is even a year older. How had I never heard of it?!

i always thought mbtl shielding was a simplified version of nitroplus's banishing guards, which also had saber in it of course. which basically is a shield that changes frame data to make everything minus on block, and neglect chip damage but can also allow some stuff such as multi hitting moves and dp to be cancelable meterless on block. basically allowed you to do anything you want off shield, though shield button usually won since you are plus, where as melty only let you choose 3 options. they even made the recovery frames, and no guard level changing, to balance it like nitroplus. I believe nitroplus didnt need patches to fix it since that game had a lot more options to bait and beat shields. quick correction, saber uses a long sword and not a saber. a saber is a 1 handed curved, usually single edged sword, with a hand guard that wraps around the front of the hand. she uses a 2 handed double edged sword, with a cross guard so its a long sword. kof also tried doing 2.5d with the maximum impact series. where it had 3d style punch kick combos, side stepping, combined with 2d style stuff. but i was too young to understand fgs, or remember if it was good.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

I’ll talk about maximum impact one day that’s been on the list of games for this series since day 1. Always enjoy hearing about system mechanics from other games makes me want to play nitro plus. Fighting games are so simple in concept but it’s the deviations the developers take that make them interesting.

The thing that pisses me off the most is that they put so much love into this game. YET WON’T MAKE ANOTHER ONE!!!

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

They need more money from fate grand order

@spooky2382

10 ай бұрын

​@@DrzuulDo they not have that money already? 💀

@Drzuul

10 ай бұрын

They need MORE MONEY from Fate/Grand Order

@genereaver

14 күн бұрын

It just never really took off, sadly. But hey, maybe there will be renewed interest with the F/SN USA Steam release!

After watching the vid, may just try out this game! Thanks so much for the analysis, was a super interesting listen 🙏

@Drzuul

9 ай бұрын

Hey you’ve got nothing to lose, It’s a really fun game. Thank you for the kind comment I always appreciate it.

I love soul calibur

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Soul calibur 2 is the best

@awesomeking9915

Жыл бұрын

@@Drzuulmy childhood had soul caliber 2 GameCube version of link my childhood crush talim my childhood had weapon master 100%

melty blood had the shield system since the first game, so it's not really a decade apart thing

@Drzuul

8 ай бұрын

I’m specifically referring to Melty Blood Type Lumina which has a drastically different shield system that’s more similar to unlimited codes. In classic Melty there were a couple types of shield, the regular one would absorb an attack and you could follow up with any special move. Then there is ex shield which lets you cancels shield into any attack and there are a couple more in the other moon styles but you get the point. There is no pre set follow ups to regular shield in old Melty, lumina on the other hand has 3 just like unlimited codes which I’m inferring they might of drawn inspiration from so many years later. Hope this clears things up

@minignoux4566

8 ай бұрын

@@Drzuul ah, i see i haven't played type lumina so i didn't know it was different

The psp version “exists” but i wish whomst ever localized it did the ps2 version instead

@Drzuul

9 ай бұрын

Yeah the ps2 version is just better hands down I hope we get a HD port one of these days

Great unlimited codes video and you mostly talked about everything besides the damage level with level 4 added in the psp version so holy grail moves do 10,500 at base which is most playable characters Hp Besides saber alter, kotomine and Hercules additionaly on that damage level Gilgamesh special holy grail attack against herc other then playing a different animation does his exact Hp amount. And archer hg move is the only one that bazzet can counter funny enough because his doesn’t need the grail. Last thing in the psp version there is a rin glitch that allows you to use super and holy grail moves that usually put her like other characters in a unique close up cutscene like luvia super that’s like a suplex not occur but the actual damage and the effects still does resulting in some funny combos like interrupting it with her holy grail move.

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

There were a lot of weird changes with the psp version. I honestly just expected it to be a regular port, but it’s more of a revision. Thanks for watching, I appreciate it.

loving this type-moon vids my guy i wonder if this game will get any kind of mod in the future 🤔

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

After playing it, I’d love to see a re-master because this game is just a really cool fighting game. I looked around the English community a bit while making the video and it didn’t seem that active which is sad because this game deserves more popularity. I’m glad people are enjoying the Type Moon videos. I’d only ever made Melty blood content before and it was honestly Type-moon June was a shot in the dark and something I did for fun. I had no idea people would like type-moon stuff. In fact, I’m surprised that people weren’t upset I made so many fate videos. Thanks for watching and commenting I truly appreciate it.

French Bread never want to make a Fate Fighting Game in the first place! The only thing they did is april fool screenshot from fate stay night fighting game. Just to remind you Melty Blood Type Lumina were created to replace Cancelled Melty Blood HD project

@Drzuul

9 ай бұрын

As far as I’m aware Saber and the fgo characters in lumina were remnants from a fate fighter they were working on after under night. Melty HD was the project they wanted to do after mbacc but Type-moon didn’t want to move forward so they made uni (while putting Sion in uni because like what would happen with saber she was leftovers from the melty HD project) and dengeki.

i liked playing this on emulator

@Drzuul

9 ай бұрын

It emulates really well

oh the reflex guard is also similiar to blazeblue with you expending meter to cancel to continue combo.

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

Pretty much, it’s your standard combo extender tool

@GreekShinobi223

4 ай бұрын

The Rapid Cancel, which derived from Guilty Gear's Roman Cancel, even sharing the short abbreviation RC

@Omnivoid22

4 ай бұрын

@@GreekShinobi223 guilty and blazeblue are arc system works. So it derived from arc system works. I played blazeblue so I use that . People who played gg will use that .

Saber is also playable in Nitroplus Blasterz and while I can't confirm since I haven't played Type Lumina yet, she looks like she plays similarly from what I've seen.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

They are in fact both saber but lumina and nitro play differently so they’re only similar in looks only

@GenghisConnThr333

Жыл бұрын

@@Drzuul Ah I see, it has been a while since I played Nitroplus and I didn't main Saber in that but I do remember her having two of the supers she has in this and Melty and possibly having rekkas?

@homurayurisquad1423

Жыл бұрын

@@GenghisConnThr333 i'm the residential team arcana or examu specialist. the only thing similar in gameplay between nitroplus and mbtl saber is one button, and they both have a full screen moving low(214x). i personally think she was designed a lot better in nitroplus. mbtl gave her a lot of rekkas and faster buttons, and a faster run. nitro saber is known for rushdown big buttons, and has a pretty good dp, dive kick that crossup at some angles, etc. the fact that she uses a long sword make big buttons make more sense imo. also nitro saber's sword can turn visible where it does no chip damage, but does more normal damage, and can turn invisible again by spending meter. she also has projectiles(with meter), and excalibur got full invul, besides a really short recovery frame, which can be punished if you shield the right amount of hits and time something that can reach her. nitro gameplay mechanics make it impossible for her to play too similar since theres no escape actions, charge guard break launcher, jump canceling or short hop canceling on block, sheilding mid blockstrings, etc. approaching from air is a lot safer in nitro, and gave more options. a good blockstring in melty is often 2a>into whatever plus string, or frame trap. while you do that in nitro predictably, and its easy to just shield>whatever counter, since sheilding isnt possibly mid blockstring in melty.

@GenghisConnThr333

Жыл бұрын

​@@homurayurisquad1423 Ah I see, again just pure conjecture on my end because I haven't played Type Lumina yet, safe to assume the few similarities come down to the source material, thanks for the info.

@homurayurisquad1423

Жыл бұрын

@@GenghisConnThr333 i havent played TL too much either, but know right away that they play completely different. french bread and team arcana are 2 completely different companies, and the character was not originally from a fg to emulate, so its expected they dont play similar

This game so cool it even has jiggle physics

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

It definitely does, that is not an understatement

Just for joke, do take it seariously , the best stay night fighting game, if you know what i mean(melty blood is best nasu verse fighting game) , . i played the game , it was a solid game, it was highly inspired from soul calibur, i kinda liked its 3d style of game,(since there are not so many 3d fighting game, specially from anime style games, considering the game came way before any anime like zero,unlimited,heaven feel being created)

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

I would say my favorite is lumina which is probably a controversial opinion. This one is definitely top 3 with mbacc

@pftmclub

9 ай бұрын

There is nothing similar to soul calibur, Fate/unlimited codes are basically Melty Blood but with Side step

holy grail system. similiar to dragonball system in fighterz. As you can see games take inspiration from older games. Not a bad thing

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

Nope not a bad thing at all. If you really think about it every fighting game is street fighter 2 with more steps

@Omnivoid22

11 ай бұрын

@@Drzuul lol possibly

@pftmclub

9 ай бұрын

@@Omnivoid22 holy grail system were based from bloody roar health recovery system

All i care about is that Bazett is awesome.

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

Based

Goated video

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Goated profile picture and comment.

18:01

This guy is awesome

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

I can nether conform nor deny this claim

will you cover the original fatal/fake?

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Eventually I’ll do a weird fighting game follow up episode and I’ll cover it there

The unlimited blade works

@Drzuul

7 ай бұрын

I am the bone of my sword

0:08 which Fate game is that being played ?

@Drzuul

4 ай бұрын

Crusis Fatal Fake. The episode before this one covers that game. It’s a very different game from this one

A shame shirou sucks so bad in this game

@Drzuul

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t count him out completely I’ve seen people do crazy things with him, he’s completely viable

@r.k845

11 ай бұрын

@@Drzuul No it’s his moveset being dumb that I don’t like. He’s actually one of the strongest characters in the game.

@pftmclub

9 ай бұрын

@@r.k845 Sound like your own problem then

@r.k845

9 ай бұрын

@@pftmclub Sounds like a pointless passive aggressive comment that nobody asked for

@Drzuul

9 ай бұрын

I forgot to respond to this! I much prefer his movset in the fan game Crucis Fatal/fake. He can switch between strengthened practice sword and the projected daggers. It’s much more true to how he fights in the vn.

You have 777 sub.

@Drzuul

Жыл бұрын

Lucky me