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@Greg501-

Жыл бұрын

Wedding Ring is good because you get to make marriage jokes :)

Tomer hates Secret Rendezvous so much he caused a nationwide internet outage JUST to avoid talking about it

@BobardeZanzibar

Жыл бұрын

First he ran to get on his apartments board to get high speed internet and now he's working behind the scenes to remove internet for everyone. He can't keep getting away with it!

@epothos1

Жыл бұрын

Fax

@BroBdoubleE

Жыл бұрын

And should his internet come back he would be to busy prepeeling his fruit, flossing his cat and going to the grand opening of his garage door.

@chadcharest9891

Жыл бұрын

Oh. Was this recorded during the Roger's thing? I'm west coast and on Telus everything. And didn't need to go shopping. I was safe. But some people got screwed.

(Tomer here) for the record, I rank most of the Offering cycle, especially Intellectual and Volcanic Offering, much higher than the rest of the group. I also like Pir's Whim more.

@towelociraptor

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking your comments as they came up on screen, felt like I was going insane listening to them! Especially in blue how are you not running loads of mana rocks?!

@tsurugi12

Жыл бұрын

Still no ranking to secret rendezvous itself 😆 Would like to get Phil's opinion on these, too. Maybe on your page

@1331Thief

Жыл бұрын

Tomer in the background screaming into the void.

@MTGGoldfishCommander

Жыл бұрын

@@tsurugi12 I would rank it a C, and Your Temple a B. Your Temple is way better due to its flexibility and instant speed.

@mksm0k3

Жыл бұрын

Your notes were the funniest part of the video

If volcanic offering kills two creatures and two lands, it’s like 2 murders and 2 stone rains all in one card at instant speed. That’s a pretty good deal mana wise.

@rickrand8041

Жыл бұрын

I LOVE this card in decks that copy spells. Because you choose new targets for the copy it overwrites the original spell and you pick ALL 4 Targets of the copy. Kalamax or Riku and you're blowing up 3 creatures and 3 lands of your choice, you can also strongarm the opponent doing the choosing of the 4th target either they pick what you want or you focus all 3 of your targets on their board and just blow them out. In some board states thats nearly a boardwipe as far as taking out all the important creatures, plus either neutering one persons mana base, or anti-ramping the whole table.

@reyny2118

Жыл бұрын

@@rickrand8041 how does copying that spell allow you to choose 3 of each? I dont get it

@rickrand8041

Жыл бұрын

@@reyny2118 My understanding is the copy effect on say Kalamax explicitly says "You may choose new targets for this copy" which overwrites the original targeting of the card allowing you to choose all 4 targets. The "copy" is subject to the rules of the "copy" ability instead of being subject only to the rules of the card like the original spell. Edit: Relevant rules text below. Apparently its because you don't "cast" the second copy it simply is placed on the stack with you choosing new targets for it. So on the original spell as it is cast you and your opponent choose targets, on the copy though it is never cast so instead the targets are chosen by the copy effect of Kalamax who you control. 601.4. Some spells specify that one of their controller's opponents does something the controller would normally do while it's being cast, such as choose a mode or choose targets. In these cases, the opponent does so when the spell's controller normally would do so.

@reyny2118

Жыл бұрын

@@rickrand8041 nice, I think you're right!

@rickrand8041

Жыл бұрын

@@reyny2118 hope so, i ripped the answer from some googlefu and the posts of several judges.

I love how Richard arguments with "dies to doomblade" when he is the player least likely to actually play the doomblade.

@nCedric1

Жыл бұрын

That's the crew for you

@jamesmoore1317

Жыл бұрын

Right?! They literally just did a podcast about how they aren't going to use single target removal unless not doing so is going to lose them the game. Everyone except Tomer said they wouldn't even get rid of Rhystic Study!!! Speaking of, Over on Game Knights, Josh got freaking smashed because he didn't respect the Rhystic Study and let uh...Lexi?...draw like 20 cards.

Richard giving Volanic Offering C rank means He doesn't get OBILTERATED enough by non-basic lands, it's very easy to lose a game to flipped Hadana's Climb or Journey To Eternity in mid-power games. It's an instant. 5 mana means it's most often castable on turn 4 and while passing with open mana feels bad, this card is amazing. It's red spell hitting for 7. Difference between 6 damage from Unholy Heat and 7 damage from Offering is dying to Drakuseth, Ancient Greenwarden, Ancient Bronze Dragons, Elesh Norn, Elderscale Wurm, Sire of Stagnation, The First Sliver and buttload of other scary creatures which red have problems dealing with.

@MTGGoldfishCommander

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Volcanic Offering has been nothing but gas every time I draw it. Take out 2 problem creatures and 2 problem lands, at instant speed? Amazing!

@chimneyimp1486

Жыл бұрын

Don't stop at 7 toughness. you can choose an opponent who also dislikes the same creature and we are at 14 toughness. also i can't count the games someone won because no one interacted with Nykthos, Cabal Coffers and so on. Land destruction is so important and we don't draw always our warp world. Other than that people don't run many ways to interact with lands. 5 mana is very much and puts it outside of sunforger range, but it is still a strong card.

@brainpower45

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfishCommander don't forget if you copy it and get to choose new targets, YOU getting pick all the modes of the second casting. 5 mana+the copy effect to kill 3 creatures and 3 lands of your choice is crazy, and you can almost always get someone to agree with you on their picks to avoid losing their own stuff.

@Spaced92

Жыл бұрын

5 mana to remove 4 things at instant speed is value, and there are too many good non-basics these days. Not many people play it, but I've never seen it not be good, I particularly like it in 3 colour decks w/ no Green where I start to get reluctant to include Field of Ruin and Ghost Quarters.

@Triforcer

Жыл бұрын

Just play MLD solves your problem it hits all lands and you don't have to play a mediocre instant

Richard likes secret rendezvous for the value but hates all these other cards because they give value to your opponent? Does Richard not realize that secret rendezvous gives an opponent the most value?

It's probably harder to understand the appeal of Wedding Ring when you don't have to play against the same Chulane/Tatyova/Arcades/Sythis/Tymna "do thing draw card" commanders and other UGx value piles all the time.

@Aystogono

Жыл бұрын

This, incredibly strong as like a pseudo stax piece vs draw frenzy commanders

@FearOgre

Жыл бұрын

Or the fact people interact heavily.

S-tier literally stands for Secret Rendezvous this week.

For wedding ring: play it in Boros, and have all of your card advantage cards be impulse draw.

@nCedric1

Жыл бұрын

This is big brain time

Your Temple is definitely better than secret. Yes the draw ability is weaker, but the instant speed alone is insane. The difference between an instant and a sorcery is so vast in the world of magic. Then you tack on the optional indestructible play. C'mon Richard. 1 extra card is not worth all the extra potential. Lets you keep up for one of your removal spells then if you do not need pop off for draw. Or how about this situation: You can now hold up with this card to protect against a whole round of removal, then if you do not end up needing pop off the draw anyway. You are unlikely to have the mana to do the drawing and play a whole lot more anyway. You aren't generally losing out waiting until the end of the last opponents turn to draw. Way too much versatility, totally worth the 1 less card. Secret is ONLY better in decks without creatures. And guess what your commander is a creature! So the chances are low. That one extra card basically has to be worth more than your command sometimes for you to pick Secret over Temple. And in most decks I would say that is not the case. That or have giant draw synergies and that 1 card is indeed worth it. Also not many cases. And lastest remember, you are also giving that opponent one less card. So the cost is also a fraction less in that respect. I am not even saying Secret is Tier S card, all I am doing is comparing these two entities in a vacuum.

@beanthebuilder

Жыл бұрын

When it comes to card draw, I would much rather be drawing 3-4 cards than 1-2. Cantrips aren't card draw, and Divination effects are hardly better than cantrips. The idea that Your Temple is Under Attack is better comes from it's effect being modal, not better. Drawing 3/6 is better. Drawing 2/4 is worse. As a card draw spell, Temple will always be worse. Always. So the question is: do you intend on casting it as a card draw spell, or as protection? If it's supposed to be protection, there are other options that do that job better. Hence, you only play it if you want modality, not card draw. The modality is very well balanced btw. Richard's #1 argument for Rendesvous is it's efficiency, not modality. If you want to draw three cards for as little investment as possible, Rendesvous and Painful Truths are the options, outside of weird exceptions like 2 cmc Quiet Speculation, which sort of "draws/tutors" for three cards, and a handful of cards with drawbacks. Even blue requires actually broken cards like Remora and Rhystic Study in order to compete with Rendevous on EFFICIENCY. It's good when your behind, and playable when you're ahead. How much mana does it cost to Cantrip? 1. How much to draw 2 cards? Ideally 2, typically 3. How much to draw 3 cards? 4. Except green can draw like a million if you have a big creature.

@jamesmoore1317

Жыл бұрын

Richard seems to rate things on hypotheticals and always defends his choices with yeah but what if...but come on. We can all think of situations where our choice does make sense. Like, stop thinking of best case and consider these from the most likely case. The majority of the time, how will this play out? Also, considering the worst case is important too, like if you're down to 1v1, you gonna play that secret rendezvous now? It's a dead card but Your temple is under attack is still a decent card thanks to the flexibility.

@beanthebuilder

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmoore1317 In pretty much every EDH game I've played down to a 1v1, three cards does not matter as much as the boardstate. I do get your point though.

tomer's editing for intellectual offering is accurate. Zndrsplt's Judgment wasn't even mentioned. i actually play and like this card. no Cut a Deal in a secret rendezvous list? crim at least gave pendant a B. I am very surprised with the hunted cycle rating.

This is the best possible send-off for Richard before he's officially terminated from Clash for the next few months

@LookADistarction

Жыл бұрын

?

@taikidd2320

Жыл бұрын

Terminated? Explain

@fosterdawson7339

Жыл бұрын

@@taikidd2320 each season someone leaves and someone else comes on, for next season Richard is leaving

Oh Richard, you exist to make me angry. But I love hearing the diversity of opinion on the podcast, keeps me grounded and questioning my own views about the format. Keep it up!

Richard contradicts himself in so many ways that it could be a drinking game.

"I'm in pain editing this..." You sir, owe me a coffee, for the one I just lost expelled through my nose.

I use Keen Duelist not as card draw, but for ramp in Rakdos, Lord of RIots. Any colorless creature you reveal you can cast for free; from Solemns to Eldrazi.

Just wanted to stop by to say thank you all for your guys hilarious content. You guys brighten my commutes and often bring a smile to my face, you rock!

Love how tomer is still technically here yelling at them about intellectual offering

Richard: "Yo if my partner gave me [wedding ring] I'd be like this is trash" 💀💀💀

Most folks I've seen touting Wedding Ring have this strategy: give the opponent who is running lifegain or storm (something generating a lot of draw or life) a wedding ring, then use clone effects to copy your side of the ring - Osgir, for instance. If you can get 3 or four copies of Wedding Ring on your board, you're disincentivizing your opponent from doing whatever their deck does because you'll just do it harder. I don't know how viable that strategy is, though, since you still don't have the synergies they have, but I think that's the thought process.

@qwormuli77

Жыл бұрын

I reckon I'd just use it to hose wheel players.

IDK how they didn't discuss the best offering of the cycle - benevolent offering. It literally has the same token making rate as Sylvan offering except the tokens fly. And then the lifegain you can so easily give to the player with the least creatures. Meanwhile you're making 3 flying tokens and gaining at least 6 life. All at instant speed too

richard lives in an alternate universe where every commander player has the most janky casual decks and never play interaction.

@notsm

Жыл бұрын

Except for Doomblade since apparently "dies to Doomblade" pushes a card down 2-3 levels.

@jamesmoore1317

Жыл бұрын

@@notsm Even though he, Crim and even Seth all said in the previous? podcast that they won't use single target removal on anything that won't immediately lose them the game.

Yes Richard. Sweepers exist. We get it. All effects on a body are bad when a sweeper is played every turn.

@jamesmoore1317

Жыл бұрын

I know, such a bad argument when they hardly pay any sweepers and they all refuse to use ST removal on anything that won't cause them to immediately lose. Guarantee that Rhino would stick around for multiple turns in their games.

Wedding Ring played fairly may not be the best option, but it always leads to these hilarious story moments in games where someone "purposes" to an opponent, only to suddenly enter a polygamous situation when someone else decides to copy it, and then have someone else blow up their ring enforcing a "divorce" etc. It's just a fun card I wish I could afford.

@brandyourfan9244

Жыл бұрын

Proxy it. Your playgroup will have more fun when it hits the table. Mine certainly did

I've been playing with Master of Ceramonies in Mono White for a while now. Anecdotally, it's performed very well. While most people do try and give tokens, usually one person buckles and takes the card. One time it lived for 3 turn cycles and drew me 9 cards. That was a hard lesson for the Pod.

This episode whole-heartedly confirmed to me that Richard is a much more casual player of commander, where as Crim is my spirit animal.

Tomer's asleep, everyone post your favorite Secret Rendezvous cards!

I definitely feel Keen Duelist is heavily underrated and is a lot more versatile than it looks. It's done work in a lot of my commander decks initally as a cheap bob / phyrexian arena and it's been outperforming my expectations in a lot more ways than I originally thought: -Uses two of the best tribes in Magic -The political aspect of only giving only 2/4 players an extra draw adds a lot of depth / and decision making to each turn. Do I give it to the most behind? Go for the cantrip deck? Go for DMG? -The russian roullette aspect is a ton of fun for the table and is engaging for players even when it's not their turn -The burn becomes more and more significact the later the game gets -The card can be built around multiple different types of synergies, whether it's BIG CMC stuff or Burn Synergies like Rakdos Lord of Riots, there's a lot of decks this card turns into an utter HOUSE idk if it's CEDH level good but it's a 10/10 for my play group!

Would have loved to see you guys talk about the “Mastery” cycle from Strixhaven.

@jordangroblewsky2087

Жыл бұрын

I love Playing Fervent Mastery, but I don't think it's ACTUALLY that good.

@MmmmmmTsuuuuu

Жыл бұрын

@@jordangroblewsky2087 i think fervent is a fair tutor. I also like baleful mastery and verdant mastery.

Richard, king of nasty utility lands, just wants to keep the guys from throwing in Volcanic Offering. Every game Richard has at least 2 powerful lands that should be destroyed but no one ever has land destruction. Volcanic Offering is S tier against Richard!

I’m surprised you guys didn’t talk about Gluntch, the sweetest benevolent Selesnya jellyfish boi!

Pir's Whim is horrible early game against non-green decks; say turn 2 you cast Rampant Growth, Farseek, Nature's Lore etc. and your opponents cast a signet or Talisman - turn 3 you cast Pir's Whim, time walking your opponents while you ramp.

@MTGGoldfishCommander

Жыл бұрын

Yeah card is such a blowout early on.

I often play 5 player games and have played the Secret Roles/King/Bang format where there is a king, knight, a rogue and two assassins. The only role that is public is the king. The assassins have to kill the king and the knight wins if the king wins. The rogue has to kill the king last. We have also made a rule where the king always goes first and begins with the monarchy. All of these cards are amazing in that variant and I highly suggest trying out this variant to spice up games.

The playmats looks sick. Just ordered one, thanks!

do i play sign in blood? yes, nights whisper? also yes

There is a Secret Rendezvous tribal commander deck! The Breena precon (Silverquill Statement) from Strixhaven is basically that.

wedding ring is actually kind of funny and fun to play, you can make a bunch of engagement/wedding jokes, like you can look at one of your opponents and say, will you marry me? lol and if they say no u can be like well too bad we're getting married you bastard lol and if they try to hit you with their creatures you can say thats spousal abuse lol

@brandyourfan9244

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

Skullwinder getting hit with the 100th board wipe that it helped bring back: *at peace*

Some cool cards that weren't talked about: -Tenuous Truce (New Capenna set booster) -Cut a Deal (Baldur's Gate) -Iwamori of the Open Fist -Hunted Wumpus -Braids, Conjurer Adept -Show and Tell -Tempting Wurm (that one is a really good chuckle)

@jadeshort9248

Жыл бұрын

The entire demonstrate cycle from Strixhaven commander too

Regarding Wedding Ring: First of all, it's a way to draw extra cards in white that doesn't involve giving everyone at the table extra cards (Howling Mine, etc.). That makes it worth considering as a baseline. The plan, though, is to give it the green player. It might sound unintuitive, but green draws a lot of cards, and they always do it on their turn (Hunter's Insight, Rishkar's Expertise, Harmonize, Shamanic Revelation, Soul's Majesty, ETB abilities, Garruk's Uprising, Elemental Bond, Sylvan Library, Garruk Primal Hunter, etc.). On it's face, you get an extra card draw every turn for 4 mana (similar to Coercive Portal without the risk of it exploding on you) which gives you a leg up on 2/3 of your opponents. Because you choose where the ring goes, though, you will almost always get more value out of it than the opponent who has the copy. As a fringe benefit, it makes cards like Defend the Temple better. Cast it on the opponent's turn, and they'll draw two cards and you'll draw 4. In a pinch, as a very fringe benefit, this saves you from Blood Artist and Sanguine Bond/Exquisite Blood loops.

@brandyourfan9244

Жыл бұрын

Good analysis. I was already sold on Wedding Ring, but those points make it better than I thought.

@FearOgre

Жыл бұрын

lol

Virtus's Maneuver would be sick with the casualty precon commander

I LOVE how the ghost of Tomer is just adding things to the video as he is editing it. I honestly think it made his argument better because no one who was recording actually herd it lol.

I didn’t know I needed a tier list like this, but man did I like this one.

I'm a big fan of these tier list shows you guys have been doing lately. Would've been nice to know what you all think of the Demonstrate cycle of cards printed in Strixhaven commander. They all allow you to copy the spell if you give an opponent a copy.Cheers.😎

If you blow up either wedding ring, the effect stops working. it specifically cares about an opponent _that controls an artifact named wedding ring_ If you blow up yours, you lose all the benefits of it If you blow up the opponents copy, it will never trigger because the opponent doesn't have a copy Also, if you give copies to multiple opponents, they will trigger of one another Perhaps useful, but I don't think that's what you were after

I love Intellectual Offering in my Phenax deck, its forced card draw when you need to finish someone and it also untaps all your big toughness creatures to mill someone else while giving you three cards.

A strategy often underappreciated with the hunted cycle is making one of your opponents a bigger threat. For example, give the tokens to the token player or the goblins to the Krenko player. Your other opponents will likely have to deal with the player getting the tokens before dealing with you.

Wedding Ring is popular because: Couples that play EDH together will use it. Couples that play mtg together can use the card as part of their proposal. That, + it being a set booster exclusive in a set that was opened in very small; amounts, is why it is expensive.

I hope I see Scheming Symmetry on the list.

Intellectual Offering is really good, because it's a 3 mana draw 3 WITH a dramatic reversal stapled onto it. If you have a good amount of rocks, or dorks, or are in any colour other than green, this can sometimes be a free card draw spell, with other upsides added to it? Untapping your opponents blockers, like Richard mentioned, to surprise someone who thought it was a free attack, or just untapping someone to give them the mana to cast a wrath or such! Or untap someone with no meaningful nonlands, etc etc.

Ok Richard, it's ok you like Secret Rendezvous, but Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper are pretty premier card draw spells for getting you to Third Land World. Love me a two mana draw two, or Sylvan Library/Search for Ascanta which perform the same job. I think there's few things more critical in a game of commander than simply hitting those land drops. Also, Ingenious Mastery seems much better to me than Rendezvous, and I've been enjoying running the card. The drawback is very similar to SR's drawback, but you're not actually drawing someone gas.

The Tomur notes regarding Intellectual Offering are so funny 🤣

Regarding wedding ring: I didn't look through all the comments, but I looked through quite a few and didn't see this mentioned. The spike thing to do with wedding ring is copy it so you draw 2 for every 1 the opponent draws and they still just get one when you draw. But also the memes. And I think it's generally just good to lay out there and get value.

I love Tomers edits! 🤣 "I'm in pain editing this"

You can't even destroy the opponent's Wedding Ring, because now yours does factually nothing!

I see a toski at almost every table i'm in. If I throw a wedding ring on the Toski player, I draw cards on every one of their attacks. I personally don't have a wedding ring to play in those situations, but I think that might be one of the keys. Toski, and draw on attack effects are so common now, it just seems like a good way to draw like they do.

@atk9989

Жыл бұрын

you can also just throw it on the lifegain player to keep yourself alive longer for no real cost to you.

Consecrated sphinx and wedding ring is a build your own trade secrets that you control the outcome of. It's very mana intensive though, but funny

@brandyourfan9244

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's too expensive. Most people will laugh off your turn 3-4 Wedding Ring. They will just spit up their drink when you drop a Consecrated bomb on the board with it.

@Goldscorpio7

Жыл бұрын

@@brandyourfan9244 it's definitely better if you can play both on separate turns to offset the cost

Sylvan Offering was amazing in my Riku, hidden Brudiclad deck - turning all those 1/1s into X/Xs with haste would end games.

@jordangroblewsky2087

Жыл бұрын

I would've never thought of putting Brudiclad in Riku, but that's really sweet.

I'm going to try both the G and B Offerings in Hogaak. That deck is the epitome of bad-but-fun. These cards seem exactly perfect for that 'archetype.'

Keen Duelist is weirdly great for 'Gyruda beasties,' love that deck.

may I suggest a political week where you each play these cards and other political cards? Would be fun to see them in action

What about the "Technique" cards with Demonstrate? I personally love Incarnation Technique and also. This first appeared in my Meren deck knowing that what I was going to mill and get will be better than what you will. I am thinking about getting a Replication Technique for my Gisa and Geralf deck.

Nothing about the Demonstrate cycle from Strixhaven Commander? Incarnation Technique is incredibly powerful, politics or no

Wedding Ring is FUN. It's a unique effect that offsets games in ways that can be memorable. It's political where you may get an ally that help you kill the other two players etc. I play it in my Kenrith deck where my Rule 0 is that I may only use his abilities on other players. So I can heal my betrothed to heal myself etc. It's not as much FUN to swap it for a "better" card.

Wedding ring does put in quite a lot of work in a life gain/drain deck since it pairs nicely with tainted remedy.

Great topic!

For this one I think you missed the "x - mastery " cycle from strixhaven. I've played a few of them (I think the red one must be the only unplayable there)with very good results

@gypsieking3280

Жыл бұрын

Mastery cycle is a great one.

"In in pain editing this" 😂 31:00 didn't catch that when I listen to this the first time

Keen duelist is so insane in rakdos lord of riots. I reveal Kozilek, you take 10, and i play Kozilek for free.

Imagine living in a world where yout think a hunted card would ever get banned. Especially with all the OP junk we already have running around.

What happened to Gluntch the Bestower? Would it not fit under this category?

I was anti-S.R. for the longest tome, but I've recently been converted after casting Cut a Deal in mono-white. Refilling my hand and still having mana to cast spells, what a rush!

Keen Duelist is great with cards that have built cost reductions! I use it on my party deck, where many cards cost less when I have creatures on the board.

So the idea with wedding ring would be doing things like vision skeins to go 2 mana draw 4 right?

I tend to like effects like this, where you almost always end up with a modal effect because of how versatile their actual effect can be, ranging from throwing a dead in the water player a life saver as you dig for your combo to actually win, up to pumping up your ally (who is drawing aggro for you) to help take down the archenemy, these can do a lot of work. My personal favourites off the top of my head are the Advocates, they are shockingly good cards in Commander on the whole. You can hate on graveyards with them, you can refuel an ally with them, and you usually get access to a really pushed effect for a negligible cost. I know they aren't exactly symmetrical, but neither is Shadrix. The actual Secret Rendezvous is not a bad card, but I think A or B is probably right for a card you usually don't want to run in a 5 colour deck (it's clunky to cast for a so-so effect in some situations), but often want to run in sans Blue decks. It's sister card, Your Temple is a neat card, but it's pretty clunky at this point, 3 mana to draw 2 is pretty insulting to a Magic player. Pir's Whim is a really useful card if you really need to dig for a non-basic and are in Green, it's a solid effect at 4 mana keep in mind, Expedition Map is 3 mana to put a non-basic into hand, Reap and Sow is 4 mana to have a modal card that can fetch out a non-basic, and Hour of Promise nets you 2 non-basics but is 5 mana. There is Crop Rotation, but this also costs you a land, so it's fairly hard to ramp with it (I have done it, Temple of the False God is G for 2 colourless), Whim will always ramp you. The question is really 'how badly does my deck need to find a non-basic land?', and if it's not 'agonizingly so', I think you don't bother with Whim and it's ilk, but if you have a land combo it's a very solid pick. Virtus' Offering seems too small as Richard notes. Forced sac is good, but compared to Soul Shatter this looks like a really bad card, only run it if you need lots of Edicts. Sylvan Offering is pretty good/cool, but it really stinks if you don't use it with Anthems at all. I like it and Volcanic the best of the cycle AFAIK, Volcanic is just brutal vs an archenemy, and Sylvan likewise can turn a game very quickly, and the ability to put the bodies where they are less useful is huge for Sylvan. Volcanic becomes absolutely hilarious if you end up casting it in 1v1, you take their best and worst land/creature for only 5 mana and 1 card at instant speed, so you can even hit annoying things like man-lands. Intellectual Offering is what they call a 'skill tester card', you can gain insight into how good a player is by what they think of that card... If they hate it, they're probably fairly spikey, if they love it they had better be using mana dorks or this is DEFINITELY not worth it, how many mana rocks is Tomer expecting people to run?? Hunted stuff is a mixed bag, I think you're clowning quite so hard on the Lammasu, even if it's not especially good. The troll has exactly 1 thing going on, and has the downside of giving very good bodies away. Wedding Ring is a good card, but it's way too pricey, both mana and $$$. I haven't tested it, and probably won't anytime soon, but in mono-white you probably want the card draw that badly. It would have been a reasonable card at less mana, but this is what we get, I guess it's really good with forced card draw? I think I agree with your ratings of C for it, I can see it doing work, but I can see you getting better results in some other way.

Crim should have Secret Rendezvous in S-Tier so he can notion thief more tables.

Don’t sleep on Master of Ceremonies 👁

You can break symmetry on wedding ring. Put it in Sharuum or something esper. Blue cards that put to hand rather than draw eg. memory deluge, fact or fiction, a little chat, etc. Things in white like board the weatherlight if you’re artifact focused. You get a couple more in black necropotence, dark confidant, and blood price. Cards that dig down for specific types. Seems like a fun deck based on an unexpected build around card.

What about the Mastery cycle from Strixhaven? i.e. Baleful Mastery (exile creature for reduced cost, but let an opponent draw). To me that seems the obvious recent cycle, since it's in the Strixhaven set!

Infernal Offering actually looks really good since you can select an opponent without creatures on the battlefield for the first ability, and an opponent with no graveyard for the second.

I think Infernal offering is the most playable offering because you can manipulate it to help you most. Hit a player with either no creatures and they don't draw or a really threatening creature. Hit someone with no yard and they don't reanimate. Intellectual offering is a dramatic reversal plus secret rendezvous for the price of the two combined, which sounds fine until you find an opponent does both too, then not so much

A cute trick with Wedding Ring, use Psychic Possession on your betrothed, you don't draw on your turn and draw double on theirs

@brandyourfan9244

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Plus, possessing your spouse might make for some good humor 🤣

@almogdov

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@@brandyourfan9244 that's just extra value

1:07:50 Does Master of Ceremonies make it into Paradox Haze Decks? What about Druid Tribal? Master of Ceremonies gets an A for sure in - Extra Turn Druid Tribal Paradox Haze dot dek

One thing about the wedding, which seemingly is not mentioned either in the video nor in the comments, is that if you draw cards on somebode else's turn, the ring of your opponent will not trigger, means you can just draw with Opt or sth willy-nilly on your opponent's turn.

It's crazy to me that crim is valuing wedding ring so low when it rewards you for playing and drawing at instant speed on your opponents turn so the person you give the wedding ring to only gets your for-turn draw

I tried the Offering cycle and the Hunted cycle in a Goad deck and they never really payed off the way I'd like. I think they're just too far below the curve.

I’m surprised you guys didn’t cover the demonstrate cycle!

So Tomer has Rogers, I don't know what to do with this information but I'm glad to have it I got to leave work early the day this was recorded (8th) because we couldn't take any of my patient's payments because of the outage

No thoughts on Tenuous Truce? Definitely not the best, but 2 mana card draw is definitely cheap.

Wedding ring is a fun card. It’s pretty good, but also tons of fun to use. It’s really fun to team up with someone to draw each other cards.

I might be wrong but doesn't scheming symmetry fit this tier list?

I feel like they need to do that topic again. They didn't include several of the cumulative upkeep cards and the cards like Pulsemage Advocate or the other cards like the hunted cycle clickbait troll, varchild war riders, and probably some more. Maybe the tempt with vengeance cycle?

I'm sorry, but I just can't see Secret Rendezvous being an S tier or anywhere close. The only decks I would consider running it in are mono white. Even then, there are so many more mono white draw options now compared to years ago. Giving an opponent 3 cards is never something you'd want to do. All of the niche scenario's that were mentioned are too narrow and situational. 9/10 times, giving someone 3 free cards is a bad play.

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Agreed, Richard always uses niche scenarios to justify it instead of considering what the most likely case will usually be.

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@@jamesmoore1317 Yeah, I've noticed his tendency to do that. Right after when he is evaluating "Your Temple Is Under Attack," he immediately downplays the versatility and acts like it's a bad card.

I love Tomer defending Intellectual Offering with the editing lol

"Yo if my partner gave me this trash" -Richard about wedding ring

Wedding Ring is an exceptional card in a pillow fort / group hug deck. I run this card in my Kwain deck, and it is a POWERHOUSE. Kwain's ability allows everyone to draw card and gain a life, so having a Wedding Ring out means that means you get draw TWO cards and gain TWO life every time you tap Kwain on an opponent's turn. I haven't even mentioned all the other "target opponent / each player draws" card effects that can occur on opponents' turns. All these card draw effects get beefed up with Wedding Ring in play. The deck is well equipped at preventing attacking / combat damage and thwarting players who get too scary, so I'm not very concerned with how beneficial Wedding Ring is for the player who I give the copy to. Not to mention, giving a player a copy of Wedding Ring scores you massive political points. The massive uptick in card draw I get from Wedding Ring helps me arrive at my win cons even faster (thoracle, second sun, lab man, thought lash, naru meha, jace wielder of mysteries, etc), and the extra life gain just provides me additional cushion if I am somehow unable to stop combat damage coming toward me.

Virtus's Maneuver is basically a Fleshbag Marauder, but instead of having a 3/1 and having to sacrifice a creature, you get to Regrowth a creature. Pretty much any deck where you would play Marauder, Maneuver is going to be good.

So wedding ring is interesting. In the lower power playgroup I'm in one of the players uses it fairly casually and it basically doubles the amount of card draw across 2 players, which is really good when you need to team up against someone. Thats the core strength of it, especially in a mono white/white/X deck that doesn't have too much card draw. The other sneaky upside with it is being able to give the ring to the best choice out of the players at the table. That way you can draw the maximum amount of cards potentially. In addition, it only counts cards drawn on the controllers turn, so if you draw cards at instant speed, they don't get to draw extra cards (Probably a Crim thing he would like). It also has weird combo potential where if you are able to draw more cards than an opponent, you can deck them out, but that's definitely the least relevant part of the card. Also, if you destroy a wedding ring, it does nothing. There needs to be at least 2 wedding rings on board for the card to do anything.

Shadrix is dope. Play him in Doran deck. In Doran he is a (5)/5 with flying,doublestrike that can grow(not often). That will immediately draw you a card(95% of the time) when you hit combat. All you do is give the play with a 1/1 on the board(and sometimes nothing) the counters. It literally gave the deck a flying killer that nets you advantages. So sick.