I love how fireflies are the thing that broke Minecraft.

@mingau993

4 ай бұрын

EDIT: Guys I get it already. No need to reply to me 67^89 times. Minecraft players went batshit over 2 pixels. Mojang does not deserve its community the same way the community deserve Mojang.

@HungryWarden

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@mingau993to me, it’s more about the principle. When something is shown and then ripped away from you, it’s pretty annoying. Even though they never promised to add fireflies, I’m not upset they didn’t get added (well, maybe a little bit since they would be the only ambient mob that actually feels like an ambient mob) but I’m disappointed in Mojang for making a really dumb excuse for not adding them instead of just saying they didn’t want to add them.

@jopnop22

4 ай бұрын

I feel that adding them as entities would have been bad. Could you imagine the amount of lag those things could create?

@EmperorPenguin1217

4 ай бұрын

@@jopnop22They probably would’ve added them as particle effects

@RedStar441

4 ай бұрын

@@mingau993 Mojang can't handle 2 pixels unlike one dev who turns them into a mod. Fix your optics.

I’m glad Mojang removed fireflies. I always fed my frogs fireflies until Mojang announced the frogs will eat slimes instead because fireflies are poisonous. I’ve been feeding my frogs boogers and molten magma instead ever since and my frogs are a lot healthier now

@destroything

4 ай бұрын

You got me in the first half

@thoughtfullAI355

4 ай бұрын

U got me in the first half lol

@challscardenas5232

4 ай бұрын

You got me in the first half

@destroything

4 ай бұрын

@@challscardenas5232 He got us in the first half

@user-wz3hi6yf4o

4 ай бұрын

Yeah his breath is gonna be a tad hot though

I genuinely wonder how different both the game and the community would be by now if Mojang had never got bought out by Microsoft and stayed indie

@RandomSageless

4 ай бұрын

A big reason Microsoft owns Mojang is because of the 2014 EULA changes that cracked down on P2W servers. Server owners lied about the content of the new EULA and sent hordes of players to harass developers and throw a massive fit over nothing, with much of it being targeted towards Notch, who wasn't even working on the game anymore, leading to kind of a mental breakdown that ended with him selling the studio in the heat of the moment. End of the day the community has been the best, and worst thing to happen to the game

@unusualfrog779

4 ай бұрын

we wouldn't even be on 1.10 yet

@rexyjp1237

4 ай бұрын

Notch made a version like once every few months, we would probaly be on like 1.50 ​@@unusualfrog779

@shring727

4 ай бұрын

It would stay good

@Ealais76

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@unusualfrog779??? Wdym.. Version updates usually happened every year back then, same as now except the contents of each update were larger somehow

Why aren't there any in-person events for the biggest game in the entire world? It makes zero sense. Meeting people in real life and seeing the faces behind the usernames on your screen is a great way to quickly eliminate toxicity.

@Aracelerii

4 ай бұрын

I mean before COVID Minecon was an in-person event

@Squiferz

4 ай бұрын

oh hey mogswamp didnt expect to see you here LOL

@Longcowgaming

4 ай бұрын

Yeah they should bring back Minecon, would be great

@pancakes8670

3 ай бұрын

You know there is a Global Pandemic happening, right? It's been happening for the last 4 years now... Covid never went away.

@just_a_rusnak

3 ай бұрын

Becouse anyone working for mojang is aparently too eepy to make actualy good updates. We need to make those lazy mojang employes work like employes of MAPPA

Another detail is that 2 days before the 2020 livestream, Steve was announced for smash bros ultimate. The hype surrounding those first days of October in the Minecraft community was *massive.*

@TheCJBrine

4 ай бұрын

heck yeah Steve in Smash was and still is awesome

@EmperorPenguin1217

4 ай бұрын

I think Steve being added to Smash was Minecraft's last magnum opus

@samuel-the-italian

4 ай бұрын

​@@TheCJBrine i agree

@Goomba456

4 ай бұрын

ironically he is one of the most hated characters in ultimate now

@SRInfern0

4 ай бұрын

@@Goomba456wouldn’t be a problem if Nintendo would actually release one final patch for every character

My biggest gripe with Mojang is that you literally get censored saying “profanity” ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL REALM (edit: I play Java Edition thx 4 the likes)

@freethegays

4 ай бұрын

can't you just turn it off?

@guitarsonmars

4 ай бұрын

@@freethegaysyou can't :( (actually i only play bedrock so idk for java)

@YungAtz

4 ай бұрын

Cause... its a game for 4 year olds... if thats your "biggest gripe" its a shit one.

@wileycoyote7481

4 ай бұрын

​@@YungAtz "game for 4 year olds" Not true, look at the rating. E-10+

@ertto4531

4 ай бұрын

​@@YungAtzno 4 year olds are joining my worlds damn

I think one of the main factors of how toxic the Minecraft community is is its _size._ The Minecraft community is MASSIVE, one of the biggest fanbases in the world. And everybody has their own opinions of how things should be and how the game should be played/made. There are literally entire portions of the community that play on a version of the game that's over 10 years old, people who play for survival aspects, people who play for the building aspects, people who play modded, people who play exclusively multiplayer, literal children, and fully grown adults. There's SO MUCH diversity within the community that its very rare for everyone to agree on something.

@qoganjacks146

3 ай бұрын

That's the facts. It's crazy that a silly block game has a community that made of three different generations 🤯. No wonder why's there so many controversy. I just feel bad for Mojang to be a developer of such a megnet of criticism.

@astroidexadam5976

3 ай бұрын

For people who play on old versions there are people who play on even older versions than 1.8.9, some still play on 1.7.10 because of the mods and some even refuse to move past beta 1.7.3 and see it as the best update ever that no other modern version will ever top(I know that beta world generation was better than beta 1.8 to 1.6.4)

@shadesoftime

3 ай бұрын

Yes, and this is why the mob votes were a stupid idea to begin with. This is like if you could vote for a president of another country in an election.

@sufi5416

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you. And me being apart of the Community since 2011, I can see why you think the community is toxic. Because of the size of fanbase in general. Plus with Minecraft being shared with other places like Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and North America That can also add into your argument as well IMO of course.

@AstralAnubes

2 ай бұрын

Not adding fireflies was the worst thing that Minecraft has done

12:40 The problems with chat reporting are that 1) you get banned from all multiplayer, even servers you host yourself and 2) servers are run by the community, not Mojang, and those servers are already expected to have their own moderation

@mr.monkey354

4 ай бұрын

And what do you know, that feature changed literally nothing

@kaiserfranzjoseph9311

4 ай бұрын

@@mr.monkey354 because people pushed back as much as they did

@leftory684

4 ай бұрын

@@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 No? No changes were made to chat reporting, it stayed the exact same.

@kaiserfranzjoseph9311

4 ай бұрын

@@leftory684 the system itself stayed the same, but you never hear it being used by mojang. Without the pushback I think we would have seen them use it extremely hard

@Muho_is_me

4 ай бұрын

And *to my nowledge* it bans you from single player too

"Concept art is not a commitment" this is correct but announcements are a commitment because if you don't follow an announcement through you'll disappoint the comunity

@NitFlickwick

4 ай бұрын

The problems with what Mojang did there was that they blamed people: “your being upset was your fault, not ours”. That really pisses people off. If they had said , “we know we showed it, and we really did try, but have forced us to pull back on some of the concepts we showed. We are sorry.” it would have been taken much better. But the reasons would need to be real. If they want to have open communication, they need to be more up-front and honest, something they aren’t great at.

@brevortofficial

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, if they would have just posted it on Twitter like "hey look at these ideas" that's one thing but when it's in a freaking UPDATE ANNOUNCEMENT LIVE SHOW that's a completely different story.

@Thunder_Star

4 ай бұрын

Since the community loved the concept art of the birch forest Mojang should have seen that and added it, but instead they just made disappointment a you said xd

@l4zurike216

4 ай бұрын

That wasn't the first time they showed concert art

@EngiGODS358

4 ай бұрын

​@@l4zurike216But they kinda promised it this time around?

"I can't recall another time that people was this excited" I do, the nether update had almost as much hype as the cliffs and caves update, the redstone update, 1.5 I think, also generated a lot of hype back in 2013.

@JediSteve-J3-

4 ай бұрын

As a pocket edition player for the longest time, the 1.0 update was absolutely amazing.

@NaraSherko

4 ай бұрын

@@JediSteve-J3- Thats the update when minecraft started!

@officialtt5

4 ай бұрын

@@NaraSherko Pocket was in alpha for 16 major updates i remember startiing in 0.13.0 the redstone update

@NaraSherko

4 ай бұрын

@@officialtt5 Oh yeah

@brevortofficial

4 ай бұрын

We need a redstone revolution update with tungsten bulbs (copper bulbs but useful) and faster minecarts

Here's an idea. The Loose Ends Update: Includes all promised features and clears the slate (Stuff promised in 1.17) (Fireflies, bundles) (The lost mob vote mobs) (The biome update) Not new stuff, but promised stuff

@leftory684

4 ай бұрын

All of the stuff promised in 1.17 has been added to the game, aside from the bundles which you have listed separately.

@Jesus-qv5sw

4 ай бұрын

​@@leftory684 only 2 biomes (cherry and mangrove) and they feel even emptier than the original ones

@leftory684

4 ай бұрын

@@Jesus-qv5sw ?? That wasn't promised in 1.17

@ChuckSploder

4 ай бұрын

It's one of two "end" updates we need

@NobodyHere96

4 ай бұрын

Literally the only thing holding up the bundles from being properly added into the game (instead of as an experimental feature) is the fact that they just can't work on phones. This is one of several reasons why phones and tablets should be cut off from Bedrock Edition and given their own edition once again.

had me till the end, leaving criticism completely out the window is a terrible idea for settling, change doesn't come by sitting idle, it comes through the voice of the community. a shift in direction of voice could be the right direction, but silence isn't a path worth taking.

@henrytalksalot5817

4 ай бұрын

Where did they say to stop criticizing entirely?

@corbeaudejugement

4 ай бұрын

he didn't say that at all though? he said people who are malding need to touch grass.

@TheCapitalWanderer

4 ай бұрын

the community aren't always right, look no further than the racing genre. (main reason why arcade racers are dead, and sim racing with paid content + yearly subscription model is because of the racing game community)

@Azphyre

4 ай бұрын

@@ssdrbx6180 damnn he did too actual shameful

@VentA_7

4 ай бұрын

How to prove the point of the video. He makes a video saying people are overacting over a bunch of small things (aka most of them being small): and your response is to make something up to be mad at him.

I think 99% of the community's issues could be solved by mojang being actually transparent. We still would probably be in a similar situation due to your points mentioned, but it would be much less toxic for sure.

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

I think about how well-received the video announcing they'd split Caves and Cliffs into two parts. They gave solid reasons, and they were open. I agree that in recent month, it hasn't felt quite as transparent

@4nowand4ever89

4 ай бұрын

​@@RetroGamingNowThat's because they now worry even more about how the community will react

@ethanskinner6146

4 ай бұрын

@@RetroGamingNow But didn't they only announce features actually ready for testing because of transparency. Not wanting to give the community concepts?

@justaguy2183

4 ай бұрын

@@4nowand4ever89Yep, that’s why I hated when the community got toxic, because it made Mojang have fear on trying to make be transparent again…

@polocatfan

4 ай бұрын

mind you people were still upset about this, but were mostly understanding about it. very few people were overly toxic about that even though it was a disappointment.@@RetroGamingNow

One thing that was overlooked in the chat reporting section: There were vulnerabilities in the system that allowed someone with any technical knowledge to send fake reports, where you could (originally) change the order of messages, edit messages, and remove messages. They fixed the editing messages part, but the other two were not fixed. This was a major reason why I, at least, was angry. It was easy to get falsebanned,

@TheQuadraticAttenuator

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. I genuinely think he's either struggling to find arguments supporting Mojang, or he didn't bother watching those people's videos that he showed screenshots of.

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

Great point! This is an area that I probably could have covered in more detail, so I appreciate this response.

@TerraKnight27

4 ай бұрын

i do find it strange that aizistral found this huge exploit with terrible consequences... then released a mod so anyone could abuse it

@sleepykitten2168

4 ай бұрын

@@TerraKnight27 I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Nodus, a hacked client developer, was the actual producer of these mods (Gaslight, girlboss, and gatekeep). Azistral made mods to try and protect you from those mods.

@5uperM

4 ай бұрын

he also released a mod that allowed you to not be affected by it.@@TerraKnight27

the fireflies thing also doesn't help that they said *most* fireflies were toxic to toads and frogs. Mojang could have totally picked a different type of firefly that wasn't toxic to frogs, but they just didn't. I'm also still a bit upset about fireflies. Imagine how much more magical a lot of builds would look with the addition of fireflies. I hope they add them in a later update. They could've made firefly jars to give fireflies a purpose, they could add butterflies, maybe even small birds that DO eat fireflies, if fireflies aren't enough of an incentive for even a minor update. They could call it The Bug Catching Update, or The Ecology Update.

Mojang is the source of the problem itself. Of course, sending threats and stuff is obviously absurd, but mojang making mistake after mistake and even blaming the community itself is an absolutely valid reason for people to be mad.

@novemharrison4524

4 ай бұрын

Mojang already stopped making these mistake yet the toxic and spoiled community still attacks and even send death threats to mojang is just proof of how ungreatful the minecraft community is

@TheUltimateSlippy

4 ай бұрын

@@novemharrison4524 Like I said, attacking the people is obviously stupid, but the fact that Mojang is constantly given criticism and most of it not taken, and making decisions that further divide the community is what will undermine it's respect amongst everyone else

@toreadoress

4 ай бұрын

​@@TheUltimateSlippy yes I agree and also the attacking or threatening comments are the ones that stick out the most and it's easy to focus on that, but it doesn't represent the majority of the criticism and just becomes easy to be twisted as most of the community who criticize them being toxic. Similar to recent years Marvel/SW where aparently everyone who criticizes them is toxic even if it's an actual valid criticism to bad product. They cherry pick the worst of the worst, but ignore the thousands of other comments who just say why something is bad without attacking anyone.

@novemharrison4524

4 ай бұрын

@@TheUltimateSlippy problem is 90 percent of the criticism are "mojang is lazy" "modders can develop 90 million to the power of gigazillion pie value times better than mojang in just 0.00000000000000001 seconds" or "mojang is removing potions because they promote drugs and harmful chemicals to children" when making criticism you have to make sure its concrete and not hollow mojang does listen to it's community frequently and there is lots of evidence to support this of coarse just because your ideas isn't in minecraft dosen't mean mojang isn't listen to it's community there are like 100 million people that they have to look at so this is expected.

@novemharrison4524

4 ай бұрын

@@toreadoress the thing is mojang is now too scared to make big changes due to the risk of overpromising and angering the community as a result which is where we end up where updates are very underpromised and we rely on leakers to even get a hype and tbh im totally fine if the updates where big abitious and innovating with a high risk of overpromising with some features being delayed or cancelled altogether than lackluster underpromised and mediocore updates with all the features guaranteen to come out like 1.20 yes i do have some of criticism of the game but please keep in mind that this is Mojang not EA or Ubisoft they listen to the community and are not some soulless greedy corporations

I disagree that the community overreacted to chat reporting. I know people firsthand who have been banned from multiplayer for doing things in their singleplayer worlds, and the censorship system is utterly broken. Moderation of multiplayer play has been the responsibility of the community for a very long time, because multiplayer play itself was the community’s responsibility. There wouldn’t be a problem if Mojang ran official servers, and they were the only ones to have this feature, but extending _their_ rules into servers run by the community is overreach. It’s not their responsibility to tell me what I can do in my world, and definitely not their right.

@wakomikro

4 ай бұрын

Completely agree with this.

@Protofall

4 ай бұрын

The community was 100% valid, especially since Mojang gave no info then went radio silent.

@TheUncleRuckus

4 ай бұрын

👏👏💯

@Thunder_Star

4 ай бұрын

Really thankful that most servers now block chat reporting completely so not really much point in Mojang even having chat reporting when its just not gonna be used anyways.

@AmberCommentsThings

4 ай бұрын

We had every right to be upset about the possibility of being banned from ALL multiplayer servers because you said a 'bad word' in an 18+ server

I think there’s a difference between joining toxic mob mentality, and having genuine criticisms. It’s easy to say “the devs are lazy” and just be mean and spiteful for no reason. But I also think it’s important to voice concerns and criticisms in order to help a game your passionate about do better. It’s important to remember to not be toxic and mean, but also important to voice discontent and frustrations, but in a respectful way.

@zarrg5611

4 ай бұрын

The toxicity has ironically made it impossible to criticise Mojang, I have seen youtubers made well mannered criticisms of various decisions, and it is very often interpreted by the community as as a call to arms (the arms being pitchforks and torches)

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

I agree, there needs to be an appropriate balance. And there certainly are valid criticisms of Mojang and the way they've handled themselves recently. I'm not sure what the best way to voice them respectfully is though, without things snowballing.

@the_phantom_cat7912

4 ай бұрын

unfortunately, criticism always falls on deaf ears

@thenog5825

4 ай бұрын

@@the_phantom_cat7912 That’s a reason i think things get so toxic I’m regards to criticism, because Mojang has done a very good job of ignoring community feedback

@godofmath1039

4 ай бұрын

It's easy to say, "the devs are lazy," yes. It's hard to say, "the devs aren't _that_ lazy." And, once more, it's harder to say, "the devs are lazy because..." It doesn't matter. Shutting down criticism because it's "mean" or "disrespectful" is itself a form of toxicity, one which I believe is far more pernicious and horrid than the imbeciles invoking it give credence. Refusing or even hesitating to listen to those who have something to say just because their speech doesn't include the necessary keywords to trigger your NPC dialogue prompt just proves that you are...well...an NPC.

The strangest thing about this is that I've noticed communities on Minecraft that were previously toxic beyond compare, such as 2b2t, have become kinder, more welcoming, and more helpful to newer players over the years-the complete opposite of what is happening to the greater Minecraft community.

Mojang's biggest problem is that they're making bad decision after bad decision and have very limited communication with the community. The bad decisions and lack of communication has allowed toxicity and resentment to grow in the community for years.

@mightyx5441

3 ай бұрын

wow how crowded is the bandwagon

@BurgerKingHarkinian

3 ай бұрын

​@@mightyx5441wow, what an astounding and thought-provoking counter argument!

@dragonmage372

3 ай бұрын

@@BurgerKingHarkinian Not like it had any less substance than the original post, my dude

@BurgerKingHarkinian

3 ай бұрын

@@dragonmage372 except it did

@sufi5416

2 ай бұрын

Well if were talking about communication, then I would like to ask, how would you solve the lack of communication between us and Mojang directly? Because Mojang does have the feedback website. After all, they have been saying for years "Hey we want your feedback".

The fact that I can't even type "Tavern" on a sign in a private world is baffling. Minecraft is literally starting to turn into the old roblox chat filter.

@SumGh0st

4 ай бұрын

Wait where the fuck is the profanity in 'tavern'

@syrup4835

4 ай бұрын

​@@SumGh0st Its probably because it references alcohol... Which is ridiculous

@HowlPendragon36

4 ай бұрын

I tried to make a medieval tavern with my friend called "The Royal Tavern", but the sign was censored, so we had to call it "The Royal Bar" instead It might not sound like a big deal, but I feel like it somewhat ruins the theme and limits creativity

@XhyRobtic

4 ай бұрын

Sorry but where??

@2003LN6

4 ай бұрын

@@HowlPendragon36 Use a zero-width non-joiner in between some of the letters, it will help

Remember that time when Minecraft Bedrock was so far behind in Java that instead of updating the game itself, they added a store, currency, and minigames? Don't get me wrong, it was cool. But when a tiny update took about 6-14 months to get closer to java, and it was like a month or two between new minigame updates, it was pretty saddening. (Also Mojang's twitter went around blocking anyone who criticized this.)

@KaIIenie

4 ай бұрын

Minecraft is becoming the corporate version of China

@uncroppedsoop

4 ай бұрын

@@KaIIenie China is corporate

@noxxyy

4 ай бұрын

Speaking of bedrock, let's not forget the part where they were actively trying to hide information about various leaked debug versions containing useful functionality like the f3 menu, which iirc they LIED and said could not be implemented. The MDLC group even lost a discord server to a mojang employee who DELETED all their channels after being briefly given a owner role while joking around.

@ShiroCh_ID

4 ай бұрын

what is bedrock? 😏 all i know we has that java edition or PC edition and Pocket edition that later became Bugrock edition with tons of bugs that comes and goes with slower fixing pace whenever game breaking bugs hapens just like that one from 1.17.0 where ores were generated from -64 resulting diamond to be so rare its almost nonexistent, resulting of my friend get break up and quiting minecraft entirely

@jwalster9412

4 ай бұрын

Minecraft bedrock, the place where anyone can -get ripped off by dlc- explore

I am the player who enjoys building cute houses and got very excited about the cherry trees, thank you for this video

15:50 is so incredibly funny to me because they did indeed add a command in the latest snapshot to increase reach and people attacked them for invalidating the vote, which is extremely braindead

@Turcepique

3 ай бұрын

People see commands as cheats and gameplay mechanics as rewards. There is a LOT of Survival Builders in the community.

@yesno1085

3 ай бұрын

@Turcepique If the code is there means that there is the possibility of the mobs being added in the future, which i have no doubt that the community will attack them for anyway

@Turcepique

3 ай бұрын

@@yesno1085 👍🏽😐

@yesno1085

3 ай бұрын

@Turcepique Ok

@trist10

3 ай бұрын

@@yesno1085 If I am forced to play with mods to have fun, that's boring design.

Agnes always looks like she's about to collapse into tears

@MikeZeOfficialM8

4 ай бұрын

No way dude 💀

@deaddwives

4 ай бұрын

Honestly i don’t blame her lmfao

@royalfelineandtracygrant

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t blame her

@max_w8932

4 ай бұрын

She's just Swedish

@kevin-sw8fe

4 ай бұрын

​@@max_w8932what do you mean?

Mojang: fireflies are poisonous to frogs so we won’t add them Also Mojang: feed them lava slimes from hell Edit: another point is that you won’t just feed chocolate chip cookies to your parrot because you could in your favourite game Edit 2: I said could because you used to tame parrots with cookies Minecraft cookies have chocolate chips

@kiwimations2053

4 ай бұрын

I think he reasoning is that they were worried they would feed real frogs glow bug food, which could endanger real frogs lives.

@Ashlevon

4 ай бұрын

Mojang: sharks aren't as dangerous as people think they are so we won't add them, not even as a passive mob, it would just translate to players harming innocent sharks in real life. Also Mojang: let's add parrots and let players kill them by feeding them cookies! lol!

@usuallyangry

4 ай бұрын

​@@Ashlevon And we will also carry on the lie that dolphins are peaceful, friendly creatures!

@conejitorosada2326

4 ай бұрын

A good difference is that slimes from hell aren't real.

@razortheonethelight7303

4 ай бұрын

@@kiwimations2053 How many people who play Minecraft are even in the situation to feed frogs fireflies?

I've been playing minecraft since alpha 1.5_01 off and on. I've seen the ups and downs of the development throughout. Personally I couldn't care less about many of these changes, I have my gripes but that's all it is. I mainly like to hear peoples' thoughts on things and every year it's nonstop doom and gloom, at least lately. It's all about sensationalism and clickbait at this point from what I can gather. I 10000% agree with your points about being in an echo chamber. I too am susceptible to it, everyone is but that's when I try to take a step back and pump the brakes a bit. In the grand scheme, most players are casuals and people need to accept it. I spend a majority of my time in Final Fantasy XIV these days and its the same ordeal. The hardcore players are upset about the tiniest changes to the game all because the devs are trying to maintain a balance and appeal to casuals at the same time. It becomes arguments of "its not the same anymore!" and the cycle repeats with talks of doom and gloom. While I'm just here doing my own thing and trying to brush off those types of players.

@michaelo4476

4 ай бұрын

that's a good point, the balance between appealing to casuals and also catering to every minor nitpick that dedicated fans get mad about is tricky. i would call myself a dedicated fan, i am really into technical aspects of the game, but as a whole i enjoy the game as a casual fan. any new addition is a positive for me, and sure, i dislike certain aspects and decisions, but i'm not really bothered but them. i wish more people would think like this. at the end of the day, it's just a game. if you're not having fun, play another game for a bit, it's not a big deal

Thank you so much for talking about this issue! This has also been on my mind for many months now and I was about ready to make my own KZread channel just to talk about this. This was a great video!

Community can definitely be pretty shitty, but that also doesn't necessarily invalidate some of the problems. For example, Mob Vote is fucked, I hate it. If they have ideas then just put them in the game. Use the vote as a "which should we work on first" kind of thing instead of just trashing the other two with "maybe later" stuck to them.

@khakigamesdev

4 ай бұрын

They said MULTIPLE TIMES that the mobs will be implemented in the future. The only time it wasn't that way was in the first mob vote in 2017. All votes since the biome votes are confirmed that they will be implemented at some point.

@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975

4 ай бұрын

Your right sometimes communities can ruin something great which there are a few examples but it still doesn’t make the actual problems in that thing go away

@anonymousapproximation8549

4 ай бұрын

​@@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975 The fact that there's so much discourse and division to begin with is a sign that something is going terribly wrong, and trying to dismiss any and all criticism just because they think there's too much of it or whatever is the equivalent of burying their head in the sand.

@defaulted9485

4 ай бұрын

It's feels weird that Microsoft in all its power and money, hasn't made a Parity Update to fully equalize features between Java and Bedrock... . You'd think they would unite the community first before doing things like further dividing the already segmented playerbase. I get hype from mob votes are crucial for sales, but would it be better to gather people first before hyping them? Then again, I don't work at Microsoft so I can't imagine how screwed their bureaucracy or leadership are.

@kaet8333

4 ай бұрын

As mentioned in the video, this is a problem for us minecraft enthusiasts. The vast majority of people don't even know about the mob votes. They just see that mojang has added a new mob to the game. I'm in the whatever camp nowadays, even the mobs I voted for are mostly harmless and inconsequential

The problem with chat reporting is that it was being forced upon PRIVATE, DECENTRALIZED servers, with their own mod teams and their own rules. Mojang could police and potentially ban you from a server YOU host and own the hardware for. It wouldn't have been an issue if it was confined to Realms, which ARE centralized, but logging into any server that doesn't have a report-blocking mod runs the risk of Mojang taking your 30 bucks back by shutting off multiplayer forever... and that's without touching on the lack of an appeals process and admitted inability to tell legit bad behavior from account theft.

@Protofall

4 ай бұрын

This. Although imo Realms shouldn't get a free pass either. You pay for those servers with your own money.

@freeguy3894

4 ай бұрын

tbf if you're playing on your own server you're probably doing it with friends so the system shouldnt affect you all that much, unless you friends are assholes ig

@Protofall

4 ай бұрын

@@freeguy3894 However, if you play on realms and affectionately swear at each other, the Realm may auto ban you. That's actually happened to 2 people on a 4 person Realm, info can be found on Google/Reddit.

@spyr0guy

4 ай бұрын

@@Protofall Also note that pretty much every server worth its salt has jammer mods in place. Hypixel was one of the first, and after the first back and forth, Mojang thought better of trying to stop jammer mods from working. You know your “feature” is bad when a requirement for a good server is to remove it from the game.

@Protofall

4 ай бұрын

@@spyr0guy Yes, its great that mods were able to cripple the chat report system. I still don't think that makes players 100% safe, but its definitely the way to play modern Minecraft if you do want to play it (I say not 100% because Mojang might decide one day to go after people who use those mods, who knows)

This unfortunately isn't limited to Minecraft, I feel like the people in most communities I'm in are very sure that the newer things in their series are now soulless.

Thanks for addressing this. I'm on the exact same wavelength as you: When I see a thumbnail that nameshames Minecraft or says it's dead, I ignore it and tend to watch Minecraftubers that encourage positivity and good vibes. This doesn't mean I avoid the KZreadrs who constantly crank out this negativity, but I don't give it the light of day when I know how much I love the game and what it means to me personally.

A very major thing that mojang keep overlooking, in my opinion, is adding new features instead of improving upon old ones. The nether update was so good because it overhauled a part of the game that really felt unfinished compared to the rest of the game. I'm not going to pretend like I know everything but it seems like mojang keep trying to make the updates more and more grand and ambitious but the game would benefit way more from just improving existing features. It's upsetting to see mobs like the phantoms get added and then mojang seemingly go "oh well, we tried guys, sorry." Please, stop trying to be ambitious, just be smart about features and play test them and talk with the community about it and improve the game without adding 3 new biomes. That would be much appreciated, but so would more stairs and slabs and walls and sideways stairs and slabs, etc.

@thatonecrazykobold1729

4 ай бұрын

their own ambition is slowly killing them, on one hand i understand their desire, but on the other hand its literally poisoning their own community's opinion on them

@Ensign_games

4 ай бұрын

I did not like it one bit but that is my opinion

@neoqwerty

4 ай бұрын

@@thatonecrazykobold1729 Having seen the community get angry since literally the combat update and embodying "they changed it now it sucks" since basically 1.6, I kinda doubt Mojang doing ANYTHING is poisoning the community's opinion. The minecraft community has been poisoning itself since Minecraft hit the Combat Update at the very least. I remember how mad the non-redstoners were when hoppers became a thing (no, I'm not kidding, the amount of vitriol over essentially a conveyor belt block was unreal and about the only ones pleased were the redstoners, the ComputerCraft players, and the Feed The Beast nerds who were already neck-deep in automation mods).

@JamesTDG

4 ай бұрын

Exactly an issue right there, monjang is building their game far too laterally, the end has been untouched since 1.8/9 (I forget which one added the end city), construction features like vertical variants of blocks and connected textures would liven up the game, and ofc finally bite the bullet and update older mobs and animations, backlash will happen from the nostalgia freaks, but it's actually jarring seeing these new mobs next to the old mobs now and we need to finally have style parity.

@hunterst6321

4 ай бұрын

@@neoqwerty Can you elaborate on the hopper story? That sounds hilarious

You definitely underplayed chat reporting. The big thing about it is that mojang is trying to control people on their *own* servers that they *paid* for so that *they* could do what *they* wanted, and taking away that privelige is probably one of the biggest things to piss people off. Mojang shouldn't be taking control of server moderation for someone after saying that they could moderate however they like.

@Madaseter

4 ай бұрын

Yep i don't kown how r managed to underplayed lol

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

Good points!

@cherricake1796

4 ай бұрын

​@@RetroGamingNow if they were "good points" why did you downplay it at all, your title is calling the community toxic But all you've even TALKED about was mistakes on MOJANG'S part Don't talk down to us and call US toxic when the corporation is making the mistakes There actually WAS evidence of voter fraud for the mobvote by the way (Has something to do with mobile devices) Who's side are you on rgn Mojang's, or the community's

@simnm8057

4 ай бұрын

I dont want them to shove down political correctness anymore than they already do

@starbeam7679

4 ай бұрын

@@cherricake1796 no but the community I'd also toxic. Mojang is pretty bad and the community is also pretty bad.

Why not just say the frogs are capable of eating fireflies within the world of Minecraft? Some players can suspend their disbelief when trees dont timber, yet frog eating fly is a no-go? I’m starting to believe they made that excuse to backpedal on their promise.

@ItsAMiiAMario

3 ай бұрын

They don't wanna recreate the parrot incident again

@NerdMiGerd

3 ай бұрын

@@ItsAMiiAMario But that’s soooooo dumb in my opinion. If you can’t separate fiction from reality that’s not the developer’s fault, and it drastically limits the scope of what these games can offer. I fucking miss when this game could have a much more eclectic/fantastical bent to it, and part of that comes from it *not* having realistic features like a cookie killing a parrot.

@caffeinatedpossum

2 ай бұрын

@@NerdMiGerd Mojang said they wouldn't add sharks because they don't want people hurting them irl but then they added sharks in education edition recently

@NerdMiGerd

2 ай бұрын

@@caffeinatedpossum Fuckin weak bro

@crazyreplaydeath2945

2 ай бұрын

@@NerdMiGerd So you learned nothing from this video I see.

Idk, i just clicked on this video just cause i was curious other videos you uploaded, the first one was the minecraft beta version ARG. Love the content, and i really love the way you edit, keep up the good work

I think a big reason people are mad about the chat reporting system is that, how it shows Mojang has the time and resources to develop something nobody in the community asked for but refuses to fulfill something showed in Minecraft Lives. Just like how KZread removed the dislike button, a move nobody called for but they did it regardless, while ignoring popular community requests.

This is not just a lesson for Minecraft, but one for real life as well.

@EngiGODS358

4 ай бұрын

Also a good lesson for other game studios and just aspiring game devs in general.

@Haydyne

4 ай бұрын

@@EngiGODS358if you’re targeting the lesson towards the people making the games and not the communities playing them, then I think you might’ve missed the point

@MrTheStephReal

4 ай бұрын

Echo chambers are everywhere... is what I'd say if I didn't realize that I've just been exposed to the idea of echo chambers a lot recently... which makes the dramaticness of that concept part of an echo chamber... now idk what to think anymore, stay safe out there

@noobscoopsies1100

4 ай бұрын

And the whole gaming community in general, we just hate to admitted it but that's how gaming community has been in the last 4 years, everyone is becoming toxic that it's now become an very day things and we was used to it.

@Anonymous-bi5pv

4 ай бұрын

@@noobscoopsies1100 its always been toxic lmao

I legitimately don't understand how you can list all of Mojang's failures and lies and then immediately come to the conclusion that no, it's the community that's wrong.

@EmperorPenguin1217

4 ай бұрын

Facts

@drunkcat545

4 ай бұрын

No, but people have already taken it to another extreme

@Uguguabbabaa

4 ай бұрын

for real, demonizing the community to try and "both sides" with the lazy multibillion company

@pigeonflame9885

4 ай бұрын

Womp womp the community has gotten so fucking annoying recently

@voidghost8360

4 ай бұрын

Probably because seeing places like the subreddit scream and whine and make demands for better free updates to their old game is ridiculous Being upset at Mojang is fine but I see way too many people outright insulting them constantly and hating on the game for things that just don't affect them at all

This is happening to all fandoms and all communities. It's people, not just any specific niche or anything regarding the content itself. Where there's a person, there will be conflict in some shape or form. At least now a days, and it's gotten insane.

@michaelwhite8586

4 ай бұрын

I was watching this video and it immediately reminded me of the Marvel Cinematic Universe media franchise which has similar issues like Mojang rn although that is far more complicated and actually voiced by many more people and critics 😅

@parafuegosarchive

3 ай бұрын

I WOULDN'T MIND GETTING MONTHLY UPDATES LIKE FORTNITE

@youngwii

3 ай бұрын

Well said. This especially hits home as a _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ player, because I have found that ever since the _Booster Course Pass_ got announced and certain things got datamined, people have become increasingly toxic towards others who disagreed with the datamines, when at the end of the day, datamined information is not and should not be taken as 100% confirmation. Now I acknowledge that the datamines ended up being nearly 100% accurate.

I think the real reason why fireflies weren't added is because the design was bad and everyone made fun of it. They realized they needed to give them proper models, but then having a lot of fireflies wasn't possible because entities create a ton of lag on Java (due to interaction with frogs they had to be entities and couldn't have been particles). So instead of being honest about how bad performance on Java still is they made up a fake fan and said this was them listening to the community. And no one can go and harass a person that doesn't exist, so they thought it was a win-win.

@heianwood6119

4 ай бұрын

This does sound plausible...

@Korra228

4 ай бұрын

@@heianwood6119 trust me that's what happened lol. I hope they are working on optimizing entities. Fireflies could not have worked with the current performance. At least they would have to spawn very sparsely and have the most bare bones AI. Basically they'd have to be bats on the surface except emissive.

@TerraKnight27

4 ай бұрын

they could just make fireflies similar to dragon breath

@heianwood6119

4 ай бұрын

Considering they were supposed to be purely ambient...

@HelloIAmAnExist

4 ай бұрын

That's an interesting theory. I think you're overconfident in it with the "trust me that's what happened" though, not that much evidence to back this up

Criticism is immensely important whether positive or negative and it is not reasonable to expect people who are passionate about a product to not have passionate reactions when things change. In my opinion these things should be kept in mind: 1. Always allow people to speak their minds, everyone needs an outlet for their feelings. 2. Avoid cyclical negativity, it does no good to empty your frustrations to just fill yourself with those same frustrations again. 3. Always keep an open mind, people can easily be blinded by passion and anger.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

4 ай бұрын

Wish more people would take this advice. But then again, lots of people in this community probably can't even grasp what you are saying.

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

Right! Criticism is good, and you should be free to criticize the things you love. But we need to be careful to do it in the right way.

@Malxer

4 ай бұрын

@@RetroGamingNow And what's the "right" way? Being a bootlicker will achieve absolutely nothing. You're speaking to the same echo chamber "angry" people speak to. Criticism is criticism. There's no "right" or "wrong" way. Criticism is, quite literally, the expression of disapproval of someone or something on the basis of perceived faults or mistakes. Criticism allows to express discontent with specific aspects of a product, and it makes it easier to spot the wrong aspects of said product based on multiple different critics of individuals to correct the mistakes. Maybe Mojang should start listening to their community for once. Maybe when Hytale finally arrives they'll wake up. All I'm saying is, until something positive happens, the best thing consumers can do is express their discontent (or content) with the product. It'd be naive to do otherwise. If you are a "yes man" you'll achieve nothing. We need the voices of the community to be loud and clear, not be silenced down due to them being not "right" forms of criticism. Censuring criticism is ultimately manipulation and a suppression of legitimate and valid voices that are discontent with the current state of said product.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

4 ай бұрын

@@Malxer Bruh you don't have to be a bootlicker to criticize something without being an asshole about it, simple as that. Criticism is Criticism sure, but being a shithead while doing so doesn't enhance your criticism and only spawns non-constructive criticism from other less educated people as a result. And unless your life is being threatened or your comments are being outright removed; not one is "censoring" criticism here either.

@EminGT

4 ай бұрын

@@Malxer Saying "there's no right or wrong way to criticism" is a take that makes zero sense. There is constructive criticism, and there is non-constructive criticism. It's not manipulation or suppression to want decency.

I was having a kind of bad day up until the end of this video. it's amazing how much something as simple as saying "take a step back and enjoy what's there" could improve my mood, maybe I really should do that. maybe learn to make a redstone contraption, improve upon one I had made in a friends realm despite that one not running anymore.

As someone who has voted for for some conversional mobs over the 3 years (ally, rascal, and armadillo) I can say the mob votes get incredibly hostile. The little information we get on the mobs causes players to fight over things that may or may not even be true. Half the time people are voting just on looks rather than function, which isn’t a bad thing vote for what you want, but it’s annoying for the people who vote based on function. Others will fight you anytime you say anything about your mob because either A. You don’t have enough information to say that or B. They think that feature isn’t useful. Personally I don’t regret any of my votes (except maybe armadillo because of the vote hacking), I took everything into consideration and determined that those were the features best suited to my play style. That being ally’s for farms, rascal for useful items if ever lost in a cave which happens a lot and I swear it wouldn’t just be iron pickax they never said it would just be that and yes I am still salty I freaking loth the sniffer I thought it was the worse mob and didn’t add anything and so far that has proven true for me and my friends but I know that doesn’t reflect the whole community anyway rant over, and armadillo cause I’ve always wanted dog armor, and now that we have it I will actually take my dogs places. My point is when you have your heart set on something you will destroy everyone to get that something (I get into many arguments around mob vote time), and sometimes full democracy’s are flawed. I don’t outright hate the idea of the mob vote, but maybe it’s time for a new system… unfortunately I couldn’t tell you what system.

the problem is that we're powerless we as a community have only two choices, be angry at mojang for their easily preventable shortcomings, or willingly ignore the fact mojang is piece by piece tearing their game apart for no reason i've seen this happen before with tf2, and it never gets any easier to watch

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

I think this is a great perspective - and I think you're right.

@mr.monkey354

4 ай бұрын

Tf2 gets treated WAY worse than Minecraft

@fortnitesexman

4 ай бұрын

@@mr.monkey354 yeah i'm aware, somehow turned my favorite game into one i haven't touched in a year

@EmperorPenguin1217

4 ай бұрын

Both TF2 and MC are losing their identities

@thecatbrat42

4 ай бұрын

@@fortnitesexman what happened to it?

The thing that might anger a lot of people is that the uses for the penguin and crab were added via commands. Edit: You do realize that I am not saying I am criticizing it, I am just pointing out what I think will happen. In fact, I am glad this was added.

@NitFlickwick

4 ай бұрын

Set your game rule, then you can be happy. Instead of people complaining, they should see it as a positive that they got the capability they were asking for. It’s not “out of the box”, but Minecraft is a sandbox game, so play it how you want. Make your reach 64 of it annoys you.

@twinkletwins5484

4 ай бұрын

​@@NitFlickwickYeah i sure love adding a feature i want with unsupported and unofficial way and begging for it to not corrupt the game file everytime i open the game. Only if there was a way to get features that we want for free and play it the bug free. Oh wait, we have modders who are underappreciated and underpaid.

@ssupermarlo

4 ай бұрын

i know the uses for the crab was added in a command, but what about the penguin one? when was that

@Teomaniac

4 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@twinkletwins5484what are you talking about dude? Changing your reach with commands doesn’t corrupt your game file and doesn’t cost any money. And Minecraft’s modders are not underappreciated and don’t need to be paid, most mods are fan passion projects.

@goldngamer1365

4 ай бұрын

Everyone: We want the crab in minecraft! Monang: **Adds the Crab's mechanics* Everyone: What's the point of the mob vote then😡

Bro this video is so good and i hope that this video has a good impact, keep it going

This video explains why I stopped discussing online and using reddit as it felt all the subs of my favorite things just became super negative echo chambers

@goldy24t

4 ай бұрын

Reddit actively censors criticism of modern Minecraft and the woke changes

@thewanderers97

4 ай бұрын

Same here, ever since the reddit API change left me unable to use reddit on mobile, I've been way happier about the games I enjoy.

@Shy_002

4 ай бұрын

@@goldy24tBro threw the woke buzzword in great job, i’m not in defense of mojang but i think it’s funny you added a random buzzword

@goldy24t

4 ай бұрын

I'm talking about things like renaming the Zombie Pigman, erasing items connected to Notch from the game like the Notch Apple and replacing C418 with a radical trans activist @@Shy_002

@Shy_002

4 ай бұрын

@@goldy24t The only erasing of notch i see is removing the birthday splash text, renaming Pigman was dumb, And i hate them replacing c418 but i dont see a problem with the replacement being a trans activist

This happens with all franchises that are considered to be on a downhill track. Pokémon is another good example of a series that once attracted mostly positivity, while nowadays it gets dunked on by many. Developers get complacent because their game is practically too big to fail, so no matter what they do, they'll always have a loyal following. It's easier and more profitable to do the bare minimum and lose a portion of your playerbase than to put in the effort and passion to make something that resonates with your main playerbase.

@preo-yt2273

4 ай бұрын

YEA pokemon devs go even as far as to file court cases against people who mod the game aand create fangames just cuz those games were wayyy better than vanilla pokemon game

@anonanonymous9670

4 ай бұрын

Pokemon's case is that the Developers quite literally do not have enough time to develop the games

@preo-yt2273

4 ай бұрын

@@anonanonymous9670 nah they have time its that they arent even trying to do it. Like B2W2 was fabulous they know how to make games like that, even they could take inspiration from fangames but they arent doing that. Pokemon devs are ok with what they are getting aand want to limit fanbase to what they are providing, if not then why ban fangames? Those help in development of pokemon franchise a lott. lol we are literally talking about pokemon in a minecraft video, imma stop.

@rubixtheslime

4 ай бұрын

​@@preo-yt2273 they simply do not have the same amount of time anymore, because the company pushes them to make the games faster and faster

@johnblunt6693

4 ай бұрын

@@preo-yt2273 BW2 were specifically built on an already developed game that was able to reuse most of the code & sprites. from what I understand the team is split into 2 to develop each main line series (EX: Team A: XY Team B: Sun Moon) to keep up with the release schedule, both having to put something out within I believe 3-4 years dev time, which might have worked for the games with a smaller technical scope but certainly not now I'm all for criticizing companies, and I do want the games to improve, but saying "lazy developers" isnt really constructive and just seems to feed to toxicity. (TLDR: Fuck the pokemon company, but lets not shit on the dev team)

"We wanted to add a safer food source for frogs, tiny slimes!" everyone: but but uhm why cant we still have the funny lightning bugs..

@erics.2362

4 ай бұрын

We still got lighting bugs though

@technounionrepresentative4274

4 ай бұрын

I'm just confused how a slime was a better food source

@Troutington2

4 ай бұрын

@@erics.2362 no, we did not?

@Cera_01

4 ай бұрын

@@Troutington2 they said lighting, not lightning

@safixo

4 ай бұрын

​@@erics.2362no afaik, for even quite some versions before 1.20 which was the version of lighting engine rework hasnt been big lighting bugs

"You are upset because a game you love is being mismanaged by some megacorp? Well don't be! Why don't you just stop caring and build yourself a dirthouse, like in the good ol' days?"

@bionicleapple1254

4 ай бұрын

I genuinely can't believe the final statement of this video was "it's wrong to be negative, just stop and build a square house" like this shit has to be written by AI

@abdolarn

4 ай бұрын

@@bionicleapple1254 I love how you literally just decided to literally twist what he was saying. RGN DIDN'T say that it's wrong to be negative, but rather, that the negativity this community gives is just toxic. It just feels that the community almost always has the tendency to be complaining, and at the end, it just makes the community an unenjoyable place. In reality, all what the complaining is just kill the game. You're really not helping the game, and while being negative isn't bad, the commmunity does it wrong.

@parafuegosarchive

3 ай бұрын

​@@abdolarn2+2 won't stop being equal to 4 the same way mojang doing the things wrong AGAIN won't make them right

@Man_Aslume

3 ай бұрын

Ngl idk what everyone thinks they are doing by yelling at a youtuber Last time I checked he didn't work for Microsoft

@abdolarn

3 ай бұрын

@@parafuegosarchive Okay! So tell me, is the way people complaining any helpful? Last time I checked, NO. Half of the complaints in this comment section about Mojang weren't constructive. People just kept talking on how Mojang keeps ruining the game, without addressing why. The community just feels entwined to make anything about Minecraft a long destructive critics section, and they're heavily full of negativity bias.

You aren't the only one who's been seeing things like this. For some reason, I was lately being recommended so many videos that all say the same thing: "Minecraft sucks, Minecraft isn't fun anymore, Minecraft is dying." It gets annoying to hear those same things over and over again. I'm just hoping all this drama within the community subsides soon

As much as I agree with this video, there is no excuse for one of the largest games to be so depraved of proper care and attention to detail by it's own developers. I think the community shouldn't be as hateful as it is, but it's very difficult when Mojang has completely shifted to this very corporate and accusatory demeanor towards the community. They should be better prepared for displeasure. You also did not touch on how Mojang literally had some popular creators under an NDA to shill the chat reporting. This is not acceptable and is a clear conflict of interest. Mojang has simply turned very corporate and as a result it has (rightfully in my opinion) got quite a bit of heat on itself. It's not acceptable to just chalk up the community as "toxic" when the devs themselves are putting fuel to that fire, obviously maliciously.

@higueraft571

4 ай бұрын

>They should be better prepared for displeasure. If the Execs have you by the balls, and your only choice is to quit or play along, you're gonna play along, even if you hate it. Especially when 80% of their dev time is either waiting on Bedrock, or throwing ideas at Microsoft til SOMETHING tiny gets approved finally :V

@destroything

4 ай бұрын

@@higueraft571 The comment here is aimed at the so called "executives" too. Remember when they actually provided reasoning as to why an update got split into 2 parts?

@xanlord2k

4 ай бұрын

@@higueraft571 I don't believe it's a corporate matter at this point. The way the actual devs interact seems like it's just become culture at Mojang.

@marquel5018

4 ай бұрын

In what way is Minecraft depraved of proper care or attention to detail? Free updates every year that work seemlessly on 50 different platforms isn’t proper care?

@max10hoop

4 ай бұрын

THE largest game

How people reacted to chat reporting really wasn't an unfair reaction. Missing out on a feature you wanted is one thing, but being permanently banned without good reason is unacceptable. Modders can, and have, added missing features to the game, often with better implementation than Mojang did. When it comes to being banned, it's entirely outside of you or the community's control. It's practically an anti-feature. With how nebulously it was implemented, the only way to be safe would be if they removed the chat function entirely.

@nisseheim4996

4 ай бұрын

Your whole argument is based on the rather massive assumption that chat reporting = permanent bans without reason. You need to add some damn evidence to support this notion or this is all just smoke.

@aheadsounds2522

4 ай бұрын

i think he was more talking about how the reactions were snowballing negatively worse with the negativity bias. like calling Minecraft dead or something is not a very good thing to be saying for this feature or saying its ruined. I get the feedback but then they took it too far over a single thing(also kinda ironic seeing how they were raging about the "concepts" not being part of updates a small bit a go.)

@therageknight8546

4 ай бұрын

I like to call it the 1.1984 update

@Yegor_Mechanic

4 ай бұрын

-1. The majority of the developers were modders themselves.- 2. The chat reporting didn't cause any serious effect on the game at all.

@Tymbee

4 ай бұрын

@@aheadsounds2522 That's possible; the way he words it is a little vague. Regardless, it still seems wrong to me how he lumps it together with more petty problems the same video

Mojang: We care about community feedback. The Community: So how about we add all mobs from the mob vote ? Mojang: Have you heard that we care about community feedback ?

@dat_fast_boi

4 ай бұрын

I definitely think there should be an update that adds some/all mob vote mobs that lost, or at least their functionalities. Not only would that get rid of most* mob vote backlash, but it's also a safe move, and Mojang loves those nowadays. That said, I never find it realistic to think that Mojang would "listen to the community" and "add all 3" right after the mobs are revealed. After all, by the point the trailers come out they would've already planned out a certain amount of resources to go to the main update, with just enough left for one extra mob (the winner). *I say "most" here since the mobs themselves are still one-note, and none are particularly useful. The allay does as much for the game as glow squid, but the community chalks that up to "we must have picked wrong" instead of "they're never that complex".

@manyseas1219

4 ай бұрын

Mojang is a multi billion company owned by a 2,78 trillion company called Microsoft. They have more than enough time, money and people to add all mobs. Mojang divides the company by forcing it to choice one mob out of 3 options. They can do better. I know that they wont change how the mob vote works. I dont care whether the mobs are useless or not. As long as they dont make the gameplay infuriating like the phantom does. I also dont like it when Mojang tries to nerf certain game features like villager trading. After all it is a single player game.

@manyseas1219

4 ай бұрын

@@achyparts2479 You are right they were a vocal portion of the community, but that doesnt make their feedback any less valid. Stuff like this grows over time. It has to start some where. I mean the Mob vote is also decided by a vocal portion of the Minecraft community, if you consider how large Minecraft actually is. Sure 1 million or 3 might vote every year, but Minecraft has over 100 million players. Honestly who would be against the idea of adding all 3 mobs ? Nobody loses that way.

@tiprix

4 ай бұрын

@@manyseas1219 Mojang loses time and resources that they could put in the actual main part of update

@manyseas1219

4 ай бұрын

@@tiprix Yes and no. The company Mojang is large enough to do both. Like they have enough money to hire more people, but they dont. It's just bad management.

One great thing too is that you can always go back a few versions, and sometimes, you might wanna stay bad updates can't affect you if you're playing your ideal version of the game

@Alanboss777

4 ай бұрын

Bedrock edition

@DodgeThatAttack

4 ай бұрын

Its unrealistic to expect people to go back to old versions of their game which are incompatible with everyone else, and make them forgo any new features in the future just because mojang were stupid enough to add something as shit as the phantoms

@raghav1026

4 ай бұрын

Vanilla overrated. Return to 1.12 and 1.16 mods.

We don't get lighting bugs We get gaslighting bugs

You know, I've always considered myself a casual player in most games, though today you've pointed out that I'm not. When I'm not playing, I spend my time in communities around those games and discussing it with others, Minecraft and Apex specifically. Though both communities are suffering from the same mindset and don't appreciate the game, the devs or eachother. Although I am much more than a casual, I've always found myself excited at new features,no matter the game, I'm just happy to get more and see that it's still loved, but even I have found myself growing tired of the people who think they're above it all and that they know better. Everyone finds a reason to hate, and will not bow to a voice of reason, thank you for making this video.

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

This is a really interesting point that I don't think is brought up enough. I think it's because your perspective shifts when you are in that discussion environment. But it is good to step back sometimes and realize that many people who play the game aren't in that environment at all.

@LugiDergX

4 ай бұрын

@@RetroGamingNow Yes, this so much. You and Ashley, just yes. Why do we have to all act as though one of us is so much higher than the other and their opinions are so much more valid somehow? While there definitely is truth to the fact that that the players who played longer can say more, the mistake those kinds of players make is ignoring the people who haven't played as much as them and simply do not care nearly as much. I would really, really love to see more positivity, less hate towards each other and especially the developers come back to Minecraft community as a whole. I have been called out dumb and conformist to Mojang multiple times in the community, even though that's literally the exact opposite of who, what, why and how I am. I try my best to acknowledge people's issues with the modern version of Mojang while also trying to reasonably stay on side of Mojang themselves, their own issues and what might be happening. I do highly believe no one has the high ground in this situation of how Minecraft looks like currently - Neither the community around the game nor Mojang themselves are doing things right and from that comes the conflict, which people actively try and make worse with time, rather than trying to solve it and go back to being peaceful. I'm also very inclined to believe that had people been more reasonable and friendly, we could have had gotten better, more transparent responses from Mojang and maybe even more cooperation with fans and players once more just like we were doing it years ago. The issue is, people can't see past themselves, past their anger, expectations and everything that makes up a horrible human being - Once again, they certainly have a lot of valid reasons to get angry over, but that doesn't mean we should not respect each other, developers or the content they give us entirely for free all the time anyway. The hardcore community players engaged highly in the community do have their valid points but so do we, the more casual players, and so does Mojang themselves. I can bet that the reason Mojang refuses to work with community as of right now, acting more transparent and honest about everything is specifically because of community's outrage being bigger than it has had ever been before.

@kmb600

4 ай бұрын

@@LugiDergX Tbh I personally don’t think Mojang should be given a pass to use the community’s anger as an excuse to be less transparent, they are a huge company that doesn’t have actual feelings. And the executives literally profit from the game all the time (in fact, the community anger does give more and more attention to Minecraft, which may increase profit). I will say though individual developers and employees of Mojang probably have gotten more and more silent to the community because of bad behavior by community members, like harassment and having their words clipped and taken out of context for Minecraft news and speculation all the time. I don’t blame them at all and I do wish we could be friendlier to them so they could feel comfortable talking with the community. They probably also are limited by Mojang in what they can share (NDAs are pretty common in the games industry) so it really isn’t their fault at all :/

@ya_boi_combocomboiii

4 ай бұрын

@@kmb600yeah,this situation is bassicaly being a spoiled child getting enraged by their hard working parents by not giving them 1000 dollars for their allowance.

@higueraft571

4 ай бұрын

@@kmb600 >they are a huge company that doesn’t have actual feelings. Microsoft who tells them what to do is one. The Java team is literally made up of OG devs and modders though. Now the Bedrock team... they may be cloeser to Microsoft. Hell, you can even SEE the Java devs getting a bit upset by all the stuff like having to go back on Copper Bulbs being 1 tick.

After the introduction of Ender Chest and Shulker boxes ive neve felt the need for a bundle. I don't mind if they are never added

@harrishromero6447

3 ай бұрын

You cannot open them inside of inventory(shulkers) It has limited inventory(Ender chest)

@colonel1003

2 ай бұрын

@@harrishromero6447stop being lazy and place them down

I kinda hate the implementation of mangrove swaps they have shown us how you would be able to cruise trough them on boats and it looked really cool but in the actual game they are quite empty boring and with no water paths

I think that the only reason that the community is so toxic is how little the updates add. We wait a full year for updates, just for mojang (or some higher ups not allowing ideas the devs had to be put into the game until those ideas go through a long process of higher ups agreeing that it is a feature that they even want the devs to work on) to produce content that other games make in less than 3 months.

@Thunder_Star

4 ай бұрын

No wonder the Minecraft Modding community is the biggest in the world xd

@Thomas-rz5nt

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I mean once they started having mob votes and we got basically screwed with getting like 1 mob with no purpose and maybe a new wood type everyone was pissed

@mastertheory4583

4 ай бұрын

How can you talk about such things when Minecraft itself is a unique, unlike anything else game? Or do we have other huge three-dimensional sandboxes where you can break anything? Let's think about the development process a little further, okay? 1) In fact, we have TWO Minecraft - Java and Bedrock. Due to the different programming code, many things that worked on one version will be broken in the other (hello, Bundle). And therefore, an additional process is needed in their creation, in essence, the creation of another new item.; 2) Developers can't add whatever they want - Microsoft people are always standing over them, not to mention the rules they set for themselves. I mean, take a look at the April Fools' updates - there's just a lot of content, but it's not optimized, it often contradicts the style and concept of Minecraft and rarely reaches the final game. 3) The main Swedish office of Mojang consists, in fact, of 20 people. Those people who constantly write about the state of the game, updates, and so on - this, in fact, is the whole REAL team working on the game. All the other 600 people are engaged in the development of spin-offs, testing functions, or simply are typical "effective managers". In the end, let's just compare it to mod development, okay? Let's take "Alex Caves" as an example. This mod has been officially developed for a whole year, and it is still unclear how long Alex has been thinking through all these ideas. There was no control over him from above, and therefore he could add an Atomic Bomb, Dinosaurs, and a submarine. He didn't need to port his mod to Bedrock (and it would be difficult to implement many functions on it). After all, he used the tools that were given to him by the Mojang themselves (as he himself admitted), while the developers of the main game are forced to create these tools first, and only then use them.

@mastertheory4583

4 ай бұрын

@@Thomas-rz5nt Oh yes, one mob and one type of tree!.. And also one new large structure, from two to six dozen new blocks, among which at least ten pieces carry useful applications; new commands that facilitate the development of maps and modifications for fans of the game; new music for the game; bug fixes and much more. Oh, and also - just because it may be useless for you does not mean that it is so for everyone. If you don't have a friend, it doesn't mean that the conditional Camel is useless for everyone. And so yes, "lazy developers" add only trees and useless mobs.

@piggylady225

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@mastertheory4583Yeah, I never understood the “small update” mindset this community has- I play the Sims 4, which adds less content than your average Minecraft update and charges you $40 for it. I play Subnautica, which while being an exceptional game, had its last “major” update over a year ago that added a single new building component. As far as I’m aware, Raft stopped adding content after it came out of Early Access, and Terraria claimed that their last major content update was in 2020 (they’ve done a couple things since then, but nothing huge). And I don’t think Skyrim has been touched by its devs in half a decade, at least. So I’m incredibly confused where all of this “tiny update” stuff is coming from. Maybe I don’t play the right games, but as far as open-world sandboxes, Minecraft is doing incredibly well for a game of its age.

0:23 "Shut up about Birch" is the most Camman18 thing I've ever heard of.

@clementpruvost8670

4 ай бұрын

True lmao

@HungryWarden

4 ай бұрын

I don’t get the hate for Birch Wood when you have Jungle Wood.

@Skyewardbound

4 ай бұрын

​@@HungryWardenJungle wood looks fine, what really should have the attention is acacia

@HungryWarden

4 ай бұрын

@@Skyewardbound honestly I think Cherry or Bamboo are the worst wood types, probably because they were obviously made as filler content.

@TheRealTestTube_II

4 ай бұрын

@@HungryWarden b-but I love cherry! (⁠ᗒ⁠ᗩ⁠ᗕ⁠) Waaahhh!

Honestly the sheer scale of anger and disgust from the community burned me out for a while. Minecraft's definitely a game you can enjoy solo, but even being nearby a community that is constantly burning itself to the ground is tiring. Like, our discord had to be locked for a bit because two grown men were *screaming* at each other in voice over the fucking copper bulb thing. That's not healthy, and I know my group isn't the only one who has stories like that. Criticize things all you like, but holy hell you'd think 2020 taught us to look for tiny good things in a bigger catastrophe.

@royalfelineandtracygrant

4 ай бұрын

Humans never learn

Ive been playing MC JE since early 2013 and I still voted for the armadillo solely because wolf armor is something ive heard people requesting the entire decade I spent playing the game. The crab claw's actual utility (range, if it can extend the attack range for weapons, etc) was left too ambiguous for me to actually want to vote on it. Ontop of that, I was using scaffolding blocks to do the same thing anyway. The fact that there was a strong sentiment that the games veteran and hardcore playerbase only wanted the crab was kind of baffling to hear

i think you made a very good point with "online discussion and fan culture is an isolated group of a larger set of players in general", because nobody really considers that. You talk to the people on an official discord, or on a subreddit, or even the scattered groups on twitter, and while some things may stretch across, theres a lot that the common player doesnt know.

@jwalster9412

4 ай бұрын

Think about it this way, if you don't know java scripting (which not many people do, including myself) than why would it bother you what java scripting is like. It's the same thing with online communities and hardcore player bases, except they (the community) tend to forget that they usually make up less than 10% of the total player base. And just like how there are people who don't understand java script, There are people in Minecraft who don't even know that there is the end, neather, or any of that late game stuff. They just play the game for it's basically values, like building a small house and enjoying it for its more simple features.

i clicked on this video because it was uploaded by you, not because of any negativity. but i don't really like the way this video came across, it felt like it was talking down to people that didn't overreact but still feel upset with mojang. i don't hate mojang and i'm rarely vocal about my disappointment, i've just lost faith in mojang and gained more respect for mod creators instead.

@_Kisaragi

4 ай бұрын

like, i'm sure you didn't mean the video to come across like that, it just felt like i was being told i was wrong for having an opinion despite not bothering anyone with it

@mr.monkey354

4 ай бұрын

Way easier to create a mod

"Safe from the dangers of online gaming" is the funniest phrase I've heard in a while xD

@alexandrevachon541

3 ай бұрын

Funny... but also... important to note, the dangers are very real. Very. Very real. And they are right, this was done to do so, good intentions can often be misinterpreted as a conspiracy theory or a malicious move. That can be one argument in favor of saying that the community, not Mojang nor Microsoft, is ruining Minecraft. Well, most misinformed people in the community are ruining Minecraft. They antagonize Mojang's developers, whom I treat with utmost maximum respect. Though I do not trust Big Tech companies as a whole, like Google or Microsoft, probably due to questionable practices and monopolistic approaches, there can be great things from them. If they change gears, shifting from profit as number one priority to that of caring for the customers, then their profit would ironically explode while giving them a better reputation. The only things holding them back are the focus on short-term gains as well as the desire to always have more money, without giving anything or some money in return, which could be seen as avarice to some. So we have to be cautious on what we say online, because a domino effect could happen.

welcome to the internet, have a look around, echo chambers are everywhere as far as we have found.

I would have to agree with you until you got to the section about how people were overestimating the danger of the reporting system. The community was fine handling itself and if you wanted to restrict the options listed there you could for your own server, there was nothing forcing you to not swear unless the server put in a restriction but now if somebody reports you even if the server allows the action you can still get banned. This was probably one of the worst changes they have made in relation to multiplayer.

@kmb600

4 ай бұрын

I presume it was mostly a thing to reduce their liability. Sure private servers are kind of their own thing and are private but you’re still playing Mojang’s game, Minecraft, and unfortunately in the real world, they can be held liable for it. (I believe also in some areas of the world laws are being passed to require online moderation) I actually think Mojang’s system is quite tame and I’m surprised they didn’t go even farther with it. You can bypass the whole system using mods! But it does kind of raise the point of why the system even exists at all… (I guess if you’re playing with a mod Mojang can argue you were playing a self modified version of the game that is not claimed to be supported at all by them) Also while they did add player skin and name reporting recently as well, they have also reduced the number and scope of the categories that a report can be made for.

@Foxx33

4 ай бұрын

He cannot understand it because he just wants to play block game because it's fun. Thank god you can still play older versions if you're still worried about it.

@foul-fortune-feline

4 ай бұрын

@@kmb600 It might make sense for the realms service, but most minecraft servers are hosted by a third party and thus mojang has no liability moderation-wise or anything. That would be like sueing a web browser for online harassment you experience through it.

@kmb600

4 ай бұрын

@@foul-fortune-feline It’s pretty different for games still. You know how social media companies aren’t supposed to be liable for the content on their platform but still can get hit by regulations and court orders. I don’t think it’s the exact same for Minecraft since yeah servers are not hosted by Mojang at all. Although note the player reporting is *player* reporting, which affects players globally, not in any one server. You can be reported for your actions in one server, but ultimately it’s a tool to moderate the game globally across all servers (reporting kind of exists as well because bad actors will jump from server to server, that’s why they get banned from multiplayer as a whole)

@foul-fortune-feline

4 ай бұрын

@@kmb600 Yes but the implementation is pure shit and once again, Mojang can't be held liable for any of that. Player reporting is literally the problem people have because it can be exploited by bad actors to cause much much much more harm than server hopping ever could hope to

the worst part of the chat reporting is that you could get banned by doing stuff ALONE in a singleplayer world. You do not have the freedom to do whatever you want in a singleplayer world, where there's no one else.

@guitaekm

4 ай бұрын

That's not true. If you don't get reported, then you don't get banned. And singleplayer is always possible

@spacebassist

4 ай бұрын

​@@guitaekm the chat report kicked me out of a private server (population of 2) because i said "tree" in a sentence, not kidding. the "no chat report" mod is ESSENTIAL, you just can't trust filters that bad with the power to kick people. also completely pointless for it to be on in single player, it feels data-harvest-y, and it's everyone's moral obligation to get rid of telemetry where they can

@pleasegoawaydude

4 ай бұрын

It's clearly true, given how many people have been experiencing it, but I guess it's easy to win a point in an argument when you completely misrepresent the reality of the situation.@@guitaekm

@chromosoze

4 ай бұрын

​@@spacebassist "it's everyone's moral obligation to get rid of telemetry where they can" why? i do agree with your other beliefs, and i do believe that where there's telemetry, the user should be told of it and there should be an option to turn it off. but, i don't quite understand how it's a moral obligation to turn it off just because it's there.

@spacebassist

4 ай бұрын

​@@chromosozeit's a bit of a meme, like "it's always right to pirate shows that aren't on any streaming service/download abandonware" I also think it should be a more widespread sentiment to stop giving so much of our data, but [current year]. So yeah

Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I'd been actively avoiding watching minecraft content for the exact reasons you were discussing in your video. I haven't played Minecraft in recent months, but I hope Mojang and the community can bring this game back around for another couple years in the limelight

A thought provoking video that goes beyond just minecraft. Love to see it

Individual modders outshine mojang and add more content without any sort of pay, complaining about "crunch time" to add reskinned wood is wild to me

@antoinesilva1527

4 ай бұрын

I agree. It takes too little time for experienced people to do that.

@henrytalksalot5817

4 ай бұрын

It's almost like official updates have different standards than modders. 🤔

@novemharrison4524

4 ай бұрын

Its actually normal for modders to implement much faster than modders yet i only see this critisism in minecraft and not in other games like roblox or fortnite and terreria too which goes to show how toxic the community has been

@shadow-bladesamurai5773

4 ай бұрын

​@@henrytalksalot5817That's not an excuse anymore. Yes, standards for official updates may be higher, but you have to keep in mind that most mods are made by, at most, a few people. Mojang is a massive game studio owned by one of the largest companies in the world. The fact they can't add more than a few features with every update is just embarrassing.

@andrewcormier6675

4 ай бұрын

@novemharrison4524 a handicapped 12 year old could've make the past 2 updates in mcreator, and I wouldn't have known the difference

Bringing up the disparity between the people active in the community ("high affinity users" as Bionicle writer Greg Farshtey would call them) and more casual players was a really good point. The high affinity sphere is always gonna be the minority, even if less so for Minecraft than something like LEGO.

@l.psimer6124

4 ай бұрын

When your part of that high affinity community you tend to have trouble seeing those casuals as "real fans" even though simply liking something is enough to be a fan.

@fink7968

4 ай бұрын

Most of the "high affinity" Minecraft players are either playing a 6 year old patch of Minecraft with 300 mods installed, or spending hundreds of hours on Redstone/building projects and the small content updates don't really concern what they're doing in game. I would suspect a large amount of people chiming in and getting mad about these don't even play the game anymore and are just taking a shot at Mojang because they own the most popular game ever, yet typically only stick to very small content updates. I think large content updates for Minecraft would be bad for the game at this point, but people know Mojang easily COULD do massive updates so they make fun of the company.

@LugiDergX

4 ай бұрын

@@fink7968 And that is a really sad thing to think about... Minecraft is already a game large enough. It shouldn't need more to it. If people really love it, they will keep it alive for as long as time allows the game to stay relevant. If they don't and the game dies out, well, maybe that's what was intended to happen with Minecraft in the end all of this time?

@a_tet

4 ай бұрын

It really wasnt since the people who care about the game the most and actually vote and give feedback are those that participate and are active in the community. Those are the people who would actually vote for mobs

@l.psimer6124

4 ай бұрын

@@a_tet that what ai was thinking, I mean if you don't even know how to build a nether portal then you probably don't know about or care to vote for mobs.

I don't agree with "we control it's future" you couldn't control a mob vote let alone the whole thing

@Vlumpty_Vonty

3 ай бұрын

Its*

Recently, I've felt really disappointed with Mojang for the meager features in new updates and the promises they failed to deliver. Of course, these feelings are valid, but I now realise that listening to others browbeat Mojang over and over again has caused that feeling of disappointment to fester into frustration and resentment. This video was really eye-opening and it made me realise just how good the internet is at amplifying toxicity, and how my negative feelings were more spurred on my the toxic comments from the community rather than by the developers themselves. So Thank You, RetroGamingNow, for this wake-up call.

12:32 the reason everyone blew chat reporting out of proportion was warranted because IT WAS BEING FORCED ON TO US if we could disable it things would be different but since we could and had to wait for plugin creatorsto make it possible to be disabled and mojang decided to go radio silent after realeasing one of the most controversial changes in its history people were rightly upset

@DodgeThatAttack

4 ай бұрын

Yeah and it couldn't even be disabled or properly moderated on your own private worlds, meaning your friends could get you banned for something as stupid as saying profanities in your own server that nobody else has access to. And this was right after they promised account migration would have no negative side effects and tried bribing people with a cape

@simnm8057

23 күн бұрын

It wasnt blown out of proportion

Short answer: Microsoft. Long answer: It’s definitely because of how corporate the Minecraft brand has become. They no longer allow C418 to make music without getting their grimy hands all over the rights to his songs, their Instagram page is full of these shitty “corporate veneer” infographics, and Mojang as a whole has been keeping it safe while updating their game, adding mobs that, while cool and fresh on the surface, only have one specific niche use each. What happened to updates like 1.16? We need more fantasy creatures, not more real life animals. Also they need to just get rid of the mob vote it clearly causes too much controversy for it to ever be worthwhile. The recent updates haven’t added to the game; they’ve cluttered it. And ALL this isn’t even including horrible updates like 1.19’s chat reporting AND all of the recent rushed updates cause “oh man, we gotta release bi-annual updates so our game can remain relevant!” like- yes they’ve gotten better at this but it sucks when they over-promise and then under-deliver (insert firefly reference here). Minecraft is ultimately too big to fail but Microsoft needs to stop shoving random IP’s into their game to sell on the fucking bedrock marketplace and instead take their time and make good updates. They had a streak going from 2019-2021. I just wish they’d set their priorities straight. All of this corporatization from microsoft and poor communication from mojang just made the playerbase so jaded that we’ve returned to really bad levels of toxicity.. it’s unfortunate, really.

@4nowand4ever89

4 ай бұрын

Microsoft does barely nothing other than funding the game and owning its legal rights. Also, you are one of the kind of people this video talks about, the people who got spoiled by 1.16 and since have only wanted one big update after another. Be happy the game still receives a new update nearly every week. Its Mojang doing everything, you know. And if you can't deal with these new updates, then lag behind on 1.16 or 1.18 (or any other version you want) or stop playing the game altogether.

@Madaseter

4 ай бұрын

​@@4nowand4ever89well its hard to want a big update when the devs showed concept art for it?

@4nowand4ever89

4 ай бұрын

@@Madaseter Concept art, like the birch forest? Even I wondered for a moment how Mojang was going to pull this off when I saw it. Of course, it's nearly impossible to create a birch forest like that in one update. There were hollow logs, new flowers, fungi, etc. It's true that concept art is great to look forward to, but obviously, not concept art that's practically impossible to recreate!

@ianmorr222

4 ай бұрын

@@4nowand4ever89 yo, I never said “what happened to big updates?” I said “what happened to updates like 1.16?” As in: what happened to updates that actually added content that doesn’t clutter the sandbox but instead expands it? 1.16 was a big update, sure. It made the tech tree larger by adding netherite and added awesome new mobs like piglins, hoglins, and striders. But why all of a sudden does there need to be a ‘big update’ in order to bring good content like 1.16? You don’t have to update a whole dimension to create useful, worthwhile additions to Minecraft. Like dude. Come on. You cannot tell me the sniffer is a useful addition💀 it literally added two plants. Two plants that are decorative. Oh yeah and they craft dyes I guess. Like- okay… if Mojang wanted to give us more ways to craft dyes then why not give us a plant besides cactus to give us green dye? Nah they’ll just craft orange and cyan for no reason lol. Like- compare that to the piglin. It’s genuinely appalling these two mobs were created by the same devs. Piglins are extremely multi-layered, they have their own structure, they barter with the player, they have complex interactions with other mobs AND blocks, and they come in variants as well. But the camel is just horse code copy and pasted but look it can jump 5 blocks I guess. Good updates =\= big updates. End of story.

@4nowand4ever89

4 ай бұрын

@@ianmorr222 OK, what you said does make sense, and maybe the recent updates are cluttered up. But I think it's probably because Mojang is running out of things to update. And maybe also running out of original ideas.

Maybe if they didn't constantly lie and try to control the playerbase with authoritarian practices with their chat reporting and such, then maybe the community wouldn't be as angry with them.

@ruthkatz1998

4 ай бұрын

It's Minecraft bro

@calus-yc7bb

4 ай бұрын

@@ruthkatz1998i agree with what your tryna say but some people take it way more serious hence what that guy said

@boxmeister3059

4 ай бұрын

"Authoritarian practices" is WILD, dude. It's a game, and chat reporting is a common feature on most platforms. Bros acting like it's north korea 😭😭touch grass

@TheRandomshite123

4 ай бұрын

​@@boxmeister3059 banning someone from online because they said mean words on a third party server not owned by mojang is insane

@kaiserfranzjoseph9311

4 ай бұрын

@@boxmeister3059 chat reporting would be less of an issue if microsoft actually owned the servers, but they dont. Servers are owned by the community, mojang being able to ban you from them shouldnt be a thing

I love that how little and how meaningles things tore apart the mc community

My biggest problem with the mob vote is that they could literally add all the mobs. For example there was one guy that coded the crab with all it's functions within a day of its announcement

@talkalexis

4 ай бұрын

on the more than 10 platforms that minecraft operates on?

@JessicaTheEm

4 ай бұрын

@@talkalexis yea, you're right. The small indie company known as mojang with only a few employees couldn't possibly add all 3 mobs. If only they could hire more people... But I guess they don't have enough money, I mean they're only the most sold game in the world

@talkalexis

4 ай бұрын

@@JessicaTheEm more people doesnt mean more mobs. imagine if you had 100 thousand people working on the same mob. there'd be conflicts. maybe one person wrote "if creeperProximity === 10 then enter(CURLED)", while one person wrote "for (creepers at radius(10)), curlState = true". same feature, very different implementation. now imagine there's 1000 people working on the same mob, but they have to use 3 different languages on 10 different operating systems. then you get the same thing, but even different implementation, because it cant even be the same. the latter is the current situation mojang is in. so why struggle doing this with 3 mobs, when you can wait for the community to vote which one they want most. way less work.

@disketteguy

4 ай бұрын

@@talkalexis I don't think it's that hard since all of the Bedrock uses the same code-base - you do not write the same implementations 10 times, you write once, debug 10 times (most likely even one time), make changes to that branch of platform if you need to. On Java there's a principle of "Write once, run everywhere" - but since there's multiple implementation of Java so it's more likely to "Write once, debug everywhere". But you can remedy this by packaging Java to the Minecraft itself - and in fact, Mojang did that.

@talkalexis

4 ай бұрын

@@disketteguy i can see your point, but you gotta remember. when there's an update, the mob vote isn't the only thing happening. for example, there was a trial chamber, and the /camera command, and the crafter, and even a new boss mob in this update. so if mojang tried to add all 3 mobs, they'd have to debug too many times to release on time. in "how we make minecraft", mojang said "We've been staffing up a lot, and we now feel we have a big enough team to deliver a cave update worthy of your expectations.", as in "we want to meet your expectations.". trying to get all 3 mobs in the game while releasing on time would mean making sloppy mobs.

I miss the old minecraft community, but I also understand the frustrations players are having with the current development of the game. I believe both the community AND the devs need to start understanding each other better.

We at least got an attribute that affect block and entity reach, so we could just make our own crab claw that isn't incredibly out of the way to get, so I'm happy with that at least.

I haven’t played Minecraft in years, the last time of which being on your SMP (Thankyou for the amazing memories btw mate) but for some reason I still watch ur videos when I have the time because I j feel pride in seeing how far you’ve come from your very first videos.

Minecraft used to be so nice, simple and peaceful, it still is but not as much as before. I remember coming home from school everyday and just enjoying minecraft, I rarely see anyone do that anymore. Everything's all about speedrunning, complaining about how bad the devs over at mojang are, and speedrunning some more. Thanks for making this video, I know a lot of people are gonna realize that sometimes you just gotta take a chill pill.

@pixeljacked8047

4 ай бұрын

it is the community and yourself are getting older and as you put more hours into it, things that might of been a lot of fun as a kid become a chore as you learn all the systems in the game, and want the next fix of new content sooner and sooner

@FeedMeSalt

4 ай бұрын

I played this stupid game from almost day one. Long before it had its own .exe and was just a browser experiment. I haven't wanted or enjoyed survival in over ten years. If I'm gonna play, I go back to the original 1.7.3 Everyone is speed running because the games bland as fuck today.

@jackygemme863

4 ай бұрын

I just ignore most communities for things I enjoy, the only one I don’t ignore is the halo community

@SirOreo_

4 ай бұрын

@@FeedMeSaltor it’s just you

@PipeyardCentipede

4 ай бұрын

​@@FeedMeSalti'll never get why people straight up downgrade their game for seemingly no reason. do yall REALLY have that much hatred towards dolphins and stalagmites? was your home raided by trident-wielding hoglins with an amethyst-trimmed netherite helmet with the slow falling potion effect?

I just want a performance update, that just focuses on fixing all the broken shit on java and bedrock😢

@HuracolMb203

4 ай бұрын

"No, because that doesn't sell" I didn't say it, one of the devs said it, I don't remember the name, but I remember the tweet

@ssupermarlo

4 ай бұрын

i feel like many people want that but people also wouldn't be happy because "OOOOO NO CONTENT ADDED BAD UPDATE!!1!!!!11!!1!!!"

@trlwaifulover7593

4 ай бұрын

@@ssupermarlo they aren't adding much of value anyways lmao so why not, game is unplayable without performance mods, even when the bugs these have they make the experience better

@trlwaifulover7593

4 ай бұрын

@@HuracolMb203 this is a fair thing, mojang wants money

@majamystic256

4 ай бұрын

compromise, an update that is 90% about performance and bugfixing, but still adds a few building blocks that feel missing (calcite stairs and slabs for example)

I 100% agree with everything you presented in this video. The fact that over 95% of the videos recommended on my feed are so negatively focused on Minecraft, one of my favorite games (and yes I'd consider myself a hardcore fan/player of the game) is not only disheartening and depressing, but downright despicable... like come on!! Y'all wanna be known for being a buncha disgruntled unhappy campers, or are you gonna figure out a way to enjoy the game again and be thankful for what does exist? I for one am TOTALLY OK with less features being added each update if it means QUALITY updates. Especially since some of the updates took me a WHILE to adjust to. The Nether Update STILL challenges me in numerous ways and that's BECAUSE it's so much to learn about... Now maybe that's just cause I get easily overwhelmed, but tbh, I don't play Minecraft for JUST the building, or JUST the adventure, or JUST the survival etc. I play it because it has ALL of that. Somedays I feel like conquering the Overworld and exploring the deepest, most dangerous caves and ravines. Other days I simply want a casual, relaxed, simplistic playthrough. And that's ok. It doesn't have to be this epic thing all the time! Anyhay, excellent video and analysis, you've earned a new sub! ^^

Exactly, I'm a Minecraft casual player. And it's fun. I've pulled some stuff. In Minecraft, that are honestly pretty intense and fun to do. The game is pretty great. And just because you're mad about the new features doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. You're still able to do everything from completing complex Redstone machines looting an ancient city with stone tools.

I Genuinely think the root of the problem is Mojang. They have continued to leave speculation for how a feature would be implemented, they should state the intentions of how far it would go. I think that's why the Crab Claw among discussion communities and thus polls was winning; speculation for it was high in spite of mojang actually being fairly clear. Also like, the Armadillo won off the wolf armour, hence won off the back of the mob vote so it's not the general playerbase. Actual Number of votes compared to the overall amount of people who play minecraft are small. (for the record, I voted penguin - felt there was least room for over-enthusiastic speculation and gave flavour to a biome that is unlikely to ever get one) The negativity arises from discussion and critiques about Mojang, and the more they repeat to fail to take into account critiques the more the negativity becomes entrenched as genuinely something that is just negative from the get-go. Chat reporting came at a bad time, but it also showcased Mojang breaking the vague agreements it had of community self-moderation within reason, essentially they broke the Community trust in a large way because they no longer gave the community the autonomy to moderate when minecraft appeals to a very wide audience of people; much of them full adults whilst the aim of "protecting" the community was towards the (i'm pretty sure) minority population of children - where generally societally the responsibility is, should be, and has to be with the parents.

@maxmikester8185

4 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised if them being owned by Microsoft has anything to do with Mojang’s inability to be transparent. Big corporations hate being transparent because it’s much harder to lie to consumers and they also can’t take accountability at any cost like manchildren.

I do believe the community have gotten worse, and I do believe Mojang's decisions like Chat Reporting, Over promising, removing planned features, and of course, the mob vote, caused this. I really hope the community grows and matures, and learns to become less negative. It's honestly really tiring to see videos like "Minecraft is Dying!" or "Minecraft is Dead!" Thank you for shining a light on this topic, the community needs someone like you.

@HungryWarden

4 ай бұрын

1. Tireding isn’t a word, I think you mean tiring. 2. Ultimately both Mojang and the community are pretty flawed in different ways.

@nathannightmare1604

4 ай бұрын

@@HungryWarden True.

@nemesissombria

4 ай бұрын

1. Stop being pedantic. The guy meant tiring and you know that. ​@HungryWarden

@nathannightmare1604

4 ай бұрын

@@HungryWarden Also thank you for pointing out my grammar mistake.

@nathannightmare1604

4 ай бұрын

Please no arguing.

I agree with a lot of this video, I've felt lately that the Minecraft community has been so negative that I wonder why some still play the game at all. Minor correction though, the frogs and mangrove swamps along with the chest boats were minecraft features that lost in a vote, but have since been added. So there is hope vote losers will get added in the future. However to my knowledge, this only happened once. So there's still only a slim chance.

I like on how adding fire flies for frogs to eat are "unrealistic" even though if you break a piece of wood on a tree the tree won't fall. I guess Minecraft prefers biology over physics.

It's important to remember that the negativity really started after the game became a lot more popular again. I think what happened before is that when people were super negative about the game, they just kinda stopped playing it and moved on. There were quite a few videos over the years talking about how Minecraft lost its simplicity, isn't the game it was and isn't fun anymore. But after Mojang started pulling their heads in with 1.13 and 1.14, it was enough to start the chain reaction of people coming back to the game (this was before covid). I think the reason people aren't just leaving now is 2 fold. First off, people care about the game a lot more because they were kids when they stopped playing in 2016-2017, and are adults now that recognized the importance of this game in their childhoods. Then there's also the explosion in popularity of the video essay. Negative "video essay" type videos do very well a lot of the time, so naturally if a KZreadr has any slight negative emotion towards an update or move that Mojang has made, they'll harness that emotion and make a video about it. This makes the KZreadr more negative towards it, along with their audience creating this sort of cycle. Long winded thing but idk, I played the game pretty solidly since 2011 and I care a lot about the game and it's community. A lot of Minecraft KZread is a wasteland of commercialized garbage nowadays which sucks so bad

I agree that hate isnt good, but Mojang could have done so much more with the game. It is Mojang doing this, not the people, the people are reacting to something that they believe is a problem.

@benismann

4 ай бұрын

Yea. Back in pre 2019 when the game was relatively dead and updates were kinda crap, it wasn't as negative. Probably

@mobiusone6994

4 ай бұрын

@@benismann It wasn't lmao

@norfabatonas

4 ай бұрын

Poor game development is not an excuse for unreasonabke toxicity from the community. Mojang have already done more than they had to with the game and continue to do so. Don't forget that most of us paid $20 for a game that has been in continual development for more than 10 years now. We all got what we paid for and more. It would do us all a lot of good to be grateful for the new things we get and already have.

@benismann

4 ай бұрын

@@norfabatonas you had me in the first sentence then you immediately lost it, now i want to come up with an excuse of why it's fine just to spite you :>

@mobiusone6994

4 ай бұрын

@@norfabatonas This kind of thinking is what led to Fallout76 being a buggy fuckin mess.

This exact same thing happened to TF2, I love Minecraft but good god Mojang you gotta lock in

It's honestly so exhausting, nothing about the game has really been ruined for me, jush that some updates have been better than others. It's exhausting that everytime I want to see what others in the community are doing with the game, people are acting like it's the end of the world.

While I understand your perspective, I think you miss an important aspect of the conversation: is the criticism and negativity deserved? As you described in the video, Mojang over-promised then failed to deliver on multiple updates. Chat reporting has legitimate concerns with how it could be abused. Then there’s the mob votes, and the EULA changes. It’s hard to blame people for being negative when it’s due to Mojang’s poor decision making, though certainly the negativity is not a good thing. A negative community, as you say, tends to perpetuate and become worse (believe me I know, since I’m a destiny fan). We can work to make it a more positive one, and focus on what is good about the game, but in my mind it’s ultimately on Mojang to turn community sentiment around

@sxyKYx4Ko7CBWTv

4 ай бұрын

Why on earth do you think he doesn't think the criticisms are deserved? He said so himself several times in the video 😂 You think this is novel or something?

@templarhelmet3844

4 ай бұрын

That is true, he does point out several times that mojang did things that would deserve criticism, however, at the end (from what I understood) it seems like he was shifting the blame on the community for being wronged by mojang and reacting, instead of blaming mojang for wronging the community. Like a form of victim blaming.

@user-tzzglsstle585e38

4 ай бұрын

@@templarhelmet3844 Bruh you are looking at that the completely wrong way, it's simply the fact that the community itself should get better in terms of the overwhelming amount of negativity because there's still a lot of space to improve upon in that regard. The community isn't completely blameless here and is ultimately the one to decide HOW they will go about the criticizing, specifically; would the majority of the community be ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTIVE? or would they just be negative and pour more fuel in the fire by making outrageous paranoia-inducing clickbait videos and comments with overblown reactions to everything? I know a certain game community that is pretty darn big and is having a worse time with their game and its development yet I still see 99% less bloated negativity garbage compared to MC community (looking at CS2 here)

@SRInfern0

4 ай бұрын

The problem is that Microsoft most likely has to approve any ideas or additions to game. This creates a disparity issue because I’d doubt Microsoft actually gives two craps about feedback from the players.

I love the music you put in your videos! You are a very talented composer, and your music gives a unique vibe to your content I don't find anywhere else 😊

@RetroGamingNow

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Omg finally someone with a level head! I often feel like I'm the only one who feels like the Minecraft community is getting to aggressive over the tiniest things. Thank you for such a great video! I'm so tired of people getting so mad over EVERYTHING Mojang does. And it's not just Minecraft, it seams everyone's just mad at something. Like, I love Eurovision but this year there's just been soo much hate for everything. I love so many things and I feel like so many communities are just turning to hate because of the state of the current social media landscape. We really need to remember that everyone is a human behind the screen and that meaningless hate is so tiring.

@EmperorPenguin1217

4 ай бұрын

People are getting more aggressive over tiny things because they're making so many bad mistakes they're all piling up

@DodgeThatAttack

4 ай бұрын

Correction: mojang is _not_ a human behind the screen. They are a company. With a lot of money, and the biggest videogame ever. What they _are_ doing is slowly ruining the game for said people in the name of easy profits. From what I've seen, the wider community is not being over the top, yes there are some bad apples like with any community, but they are not with us. It is really not unreasonable for people to stand up to a company when they routinely lie to us, about us, and unfairly exercise their power over us

I think a significant part of the problem regarding updates is the fault of Microsoft and Mojang's higher-ups in general - pushing for each update to be Bigger to generate hype and for yearly updates for the same reason. Personally, I'd prefer updates to have more *depth* to them, expanding on existing systems and concepts already in the game, rather than what feels like features for the sake of features that remain shallow and untouched for years. Additionally, as a modded player, a longer update cycle that allows for things to settle on the current version before the next update comes would be nice. A longer update cycle would also allow any new features that are added to be "in the oven" as it were for longer, allowing for more depth and complexity to be added.