Check out the update video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKaDr9GoeJDRmtY.html

@Suukisan

16 күн бұрын

YOOOO????

@M17bully

16 күн бұрын

good to know

@-SPACE-LORD-two

16 күн бұрын

Yoo

@antivirusfrisk

16 күн бұрын

nice.

@seki108

16 күн бұрын

came at the right time it seems

If Lemmino made a video about Minecraft

@navyeod_24

19 күн бұрын

Fr, RGN and Lemmino are great comparisons.

@strangegamerc

19 күн бұрын

That's the reason I watch this channel. RGN has a very similar style and it makes it very enthralling

@jimym__

19 күн бұрын

been saying this

@TheOkGuy

19 күн бұрын

This is literally a parallel to the kryptos video both bluds got me wishing i could break codes

@communistparty-zs2ts

19 күн бұрын

Real ❤❤❤❤❤❤

finally a real mystery that isnt a arg, nothing against args, but a real mystery from time to time its awesome too

@Akropolix

19 күн бұрын

You had two chances to spell mystery correctly

@runed0s86

19 күн бұрын

It was an arg though

@MeryoQuestion

19 күн бұрын

@@Akropolix sorry english aint my first language, and i forgot mystery was spelled with two y's

@MeryoQuestion

19 күн бұрын

@@runed0s86 how was an arg?

@grins9882

19 күн бұрын

@@runed0s86 No dude, this is just a straight up mystery, no alternate reality involved

The reason thespicemustflow is 16 chars might be that mojang saw the forum post saying the original password is 16 chars, and decided to make the decoy password 16 chars for fun.

@RetroGamingNow

19 күн бұрын

This is a great idea

@Otome_chan311

19 күн бұрын

Yeah the likely situation is that the original file is what they said, and they made the decoy to have a fun outcome when people finally got in.

@rawallon

19 күн бұрын

@@RetroGamingNow no, you're a great idea

@jeshirekitenkatt1212

19 күн бұрын

ye this imo they might have gotten word either from one of their own on hackerforums or someone else on it let them know that hackerforums both had the file and was looking to decrypt it (maybe even because of the guy who tweeted at notch?). not everyone on a place like that is necessarily going to go in with simple curiosity and good intention. it seems to me that keeping the 16 chars (NONE of which are numbers, compared to the post about the original's being only numbers. the og pass being just numbers is only really mentioned on hackerforums that i've seen? hence why i think they were actually clued in to that specifically.), the password itself being something of a nerd meme, the random video it was replaced with to fill the space... I think all of these things are literally just to mess with hackers mojang knew were after something they had now been told was sensitive and potentially damaging. so beyond that point in their eyes, a fair few people would be then trying to access the file with the explicit intent of trying to do damage of some sort. so why not troll the people who tried once mojang realized what was up? intentionally messing with people deliberately trying to put their hands in the no-no jar that's locked for a reason. explains the inconsistency too imo, because it's possible that being too up front about what the file contains may fuel those actions further. and assuming it IS something to do for XBOX, that damage would have been wider spread than minecraft. so it's better to just be aggravating little schmucks about it. which is probably a valid response tbh

@user-ix6gx1gp6k

18 күн бұрын

dune reference? omg

I wouldn't be surprised if the decoy file had a 16 long password _because_ of that forum post.

@pipeisreal

19 күн бұрын

that's the most likely scenario. given that it's mathematically inconceivable that anyone ever has bruteforced the password, it makes far more sense that someone just lied about the password length to deter people, and mojang picked a 16 character password based on that forum

@AurynTwo

13 күн бұрын

and changed to only letters to indirectly mark those people that said it's "important information that should not be in the wild" as liars taking with it the message of the important informations.

Can never deny a half hour Minecraft lore vid

@astermania6323

19 күн бұрын

quarter hour*

@Gray555

19 күн бұрын

@@astermania6323 bro...

@Mochi-Dev

19 күн бұрын

@@astermania6323 💀an hour is not 100 minutes so it's closer to half an hour

@julianrogers8608

19 күн бұрын

@@astermania6323 100 mins isnt an hour bro lmao

@quasark7314

19 күн бұрын

@@astermania6323

My personal theory is that it contains 1-2 builds of Minecraft 1.0 along with the source code. Having the Minecraft source code be leaked could be very devastating, especially in 2012 when it was still somewhat recent. This explains why Dinnerbone said it wouldn't be that useful all those years later. Edit: I did not mean exclusively game code! Additional internal systems as well, of course! :)

@invalid_user_handle

19 күн бұрын

Not that the source getting leaked realy matters much anyway. Minecraft (at least the original version) is written in Java, which, due to it's status as an interpreted language, can be easily decompiled back to what's effectively the original source. It's why the game's code itself is obfuscated in all distributed .jar files to make it difficult to tell what anything's supposed to do (function, variable, and class names are turned into random series of letters). Not that this really stopped modders anyway, Forge has existed since release 1.0, and source mods to the .jar of the game itself along with other pre-Forge modloaders have existed since the beta/alpha days.

@jessveness

19 күн бұрын

bro!! i think all of the 7tbh ppl have interconnected recommendations

@nonetrix3066

19 күн бұрын

Eh pretty sure Minecraft has been fully decompiled at this point, that is why mods work so well they just patch that. I mean we would get the code comments though, not much useful there though maybe some funny strings like in the TF2, Windows XP and MSDOS source. But why would they need the source for Minecon? Makes zero sense to me

@singletona082

19 күн бұрын

Useful? No. Interesting? Absolutely!

@nikkiofthevalley

19 күн бұрын

They literally publish the mappings to the original source themselves. They have for quite a while. (though I don't remember when they started doing that, exactly)

I think that it is extremely likely that the files are the Minecraft console demo. A security person or the person who ran the website at Mojang likely realized the existance of the file and that it was a piracy threat, so they decided to plant the information about the 16 characters, then change the file to a decoy because it would be fun. I think we need to take into account that Mojang really existed to just have fun at that time, and they were really clever.

@Otome_chan311

19 күн бұрын

Very possible. The swap 100% was to make the result more fun for the community. Meaning they know the contents of the original, and it's almost certainly boring for most people, if not everyone.

@seandorama5932

16 күн бұрын

Wait but then why did the hackers say it could ruin them?

@Otome_chan311

16 күн бұрын

@@seandorama5932 possibly just trolling. Could be that there's private attendee info in there.

@MegaLokopo

15 күн бұрын

@@seandorama5932 Because hackers are the best at trolling. It isn't hard to figure out what is in the original file, aes-256 bit encryption has been broken for years now.

@averagesnail

14 күн бұрын

@@seandorama5932 almost 100% trolling, probably didnt even crack into the file

considering that it's called tominecon, I think it may have information about people who have minecon tickets, which could explain why it would cause shit to go down.

@copyandpaste2052

19 күн бұрын

It’s called tominecon

@rocketpg_9532

19 күн бұрын

Oh, that could be something. Though I feel like Dinnerbone's statement about it not being useful anymore would be false in that case. Surely some of that info would still hold weight all these years later.

@Copperkaiju

19 күн бұрын

I guess I need context. What were Minecon tickets and why would related info be problematic?

@m72860

19 күн бұрын

@Copperkaiju Tickets to the event in Las Vegas. The file could contain the names, addresses, emails, or even billing info of those who bought tickets.

@Copperkaiju

19 күн бұрын

@@m72860 That's what I was thinking.Thanks 👍

Bro there’s literally nothing scary about this video but somehow he makes it scary

@andrewpinedo1883

19 күн бұрын

That's good voicing.

@CombustibleLemon77

19 күн бұрын

@@andrewpinedo1883 i think it's good writing and music

@zetsubou-san8390

19 күн бұрын

i certainly did not expect a fresh-faced sparklez jumpscare

@aardvark_04

19 күн бұрын

Definitely the music

@theblindbluebomber1666

18 күн бұрын

If you like this I'd suggest looking up NationSquid's videos about old viruses. His video on Millionth Visitor in particular has a very similar vibe.

These early Minecraft mysteries fascinate me. There’s something about the freshness of the game at the time and the puzzles surrounding it that make me want to go back and experience it firsthand.

@Maric18

19 күн бұрын

i started with minecraft in early 2010 and lemmie tell you it was pretty cool however, you can have a similar experience with any fandom ish game, undertale, hollowknight, inscryption, and outer wilds were similar experiences for me, just wait around for the next big thing. Obviously nothing lasts as long as minecraft (i just set up a modded server for friends :D i haven't played vanilla since before enchanting) but the whole herobrine phase and whatnot is close. if you are able to avoid spoilers i can HIGHLY recommend just playing outer wilds :D there is a cult on youtube going around and watching others lets-play it because you can only experience it as its meant to be experienced once.

@lowqualitygamers

17 күн бұрын

“I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them.”

@jooot_6850

11 күн бұрын

@@Maric18 been meaning to pick up outer wilds for a while.. heard some crazy stuff about it

@Maric18

10 күн бұрын

@@jooot_6850 idk about craaazy stuff, like, don't overhype it, but its a great game if you like solving mysteries and exploring and piecing things together

@mrpro7737

2 күн бұрын

yeh this is the original one his Etag is : e10d225cd041b43221a99ebea3c764e8-2 and the password is "boxpig41"

It's been 12.5 years. We need to see what's in it. I don't care if it's just an insanely elaborate rick roll.

@Mango_Boi

11 күн бұрын

I was digging around and found a video from a small channel showing how he decoded it kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXxlsK6Nn7Xgj9I.htmlsi=asNgLM_zXvWZGPqX

@memefox1985

8 күн бұрын

This fucking file haunts my dreams Edit: Its finally over

@sukulhanda

2 күн бұрын

just minecraft files

@user-zp6ff2gr4n

2 сағат бұрын

I've seen the contents. It is 1225 pictures of Notch's feet in various poses, nail polish, and flare.

The reason the file is called tominecon doesn't actually have anything to do with Minecon 2011. It actually contains RubyDung demos for Minecon 2008, as mentioned in the first Iceberg Video on this channel. It was encrypted to hide the fact that Alphaver is real and they had a RubyDung convention in 2008 and called it Minecon for some reason and Herobrine's feet are hidden in the game files at 3am and-

@thelordoftheboring2504

19 күн бұрын

Bruh

@danem2215

19 күн бұрын

Bro got Boeing'd during his comment smh

@ivorycxxxx

19 күн бұрын

@@danem2215 He tried speaking out against Boeing and they weren’t having it 😂

@yourlocalbeingwithoutaface

19 күн бұрын

So you're telling me that Herobrine stores his feet pics on this particular file? One more reason to be afraid of Herobrine

@willwm3126

19 күн бұрын

How you know that

Imagine Notch now looking over what he has created now lol

@amethyst_cat9532

19 күн бұрын

I know he kind of had to cut Minecraft loose for his own sanity (which is better than holding on and letting fame destroy him), but I like to think that every once in a while he enjoys watching from a distance

@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis

19 күн бұрын

​@@amethyst_cat9532 one time, he played with Dream. So this is probably true

@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis

19 күн бұрын

​@@amethyst_cat9532he played with dream one time. So this is probably true

@chaonegamesandmore4490

18 күн бұрын

He probably wouldn't have much nice to say. Some may be actually valid points, where as other comments would probably just once again prove how awful of a person he is. Gotta remember that after he sold Minecraft he started to reveal his opinions and a lot of them aren't good.

@vibaj16

17 күн бұрын

@@chaonegamesandmore4490 that's old stuff, he seems very different now

The fact that it's called "tominecon" just says to me that it was probably sent to someone setting up for minecon. As a dev, the easiest way I can think of to send a file (too large to be emailed) is to just upload it to the public servers encrypted. Especially considering they were smallish game dev company at the time. Someone probably did this and just forgot about it. The people on hackforums are full of sh*t and you should take everything they say with a huge grain of salt.

It was put on a public server because, at that time, VPXs and the like were not as common and easy to use, and nobody had FTP servers anymore because of the security risks. When you were doing stuff for a trade show, you were doing it last minute, so the fastest way to get a last-minute build to the people at the show was to dump it in the S3 bucket. I’ve done the exact same thing in the past. There is no mystery there, IMO.

@pipeisreal

19 күн бұрын

people *still* put sensitive data on public facing servers despite the security risks just because it's convenient and easy. you can easily find public facing security cameras or webcams that people have either forgotten or just neglected to secure properly, or go on Shodan to easily find other items.

@JrIcify

17 күн бұрын

There were secure alternatives to ftp at that point like sftp but the problem is always making it easy enough for non tech inclined workers to access it on their windows office computers. HTTP file transfer is still the most sensible way to do that sometimes in today's messed up world.

@totheknee

11 күн бұрын

It could have been uploaded by mistake. People make mistakes, like probably every day a mistake is made. To be honest, mistakes are more common than conspiracy theorists would like to admit...

Assuming that the hack forums attempt at cracking it was real and successful, why cant it be repeated if we have the original file. It was 12 years ago, hardware power has increased very significantly.

@CombustibleLemon77

19 күн бұрын

yeah i agree, people probably ARE trying to crack it

@CaptainBeebi

19 күн бұрын

It absolutely can be cracked, the problem's just that cracking a 7zip password takes a lot of GPU power. The person on the hacker forum was likely lying about finding the passcode to troll or deter skids from cluttering the forum with questions about how to crack an encryption that would take millions of years to brute force (given the tech of the era) Even now, assuming you can dedicate a couple 4090s or A100s to cracking AES-256, you're gonna be waiting a while to get the results. And that's when you're using the strongest GPUs on the market. The big question you need to ask is, given the technical hurdles, how much money are you willing to invest into a curiosity that will not offer any meaningful payoff?

@K0nomi

19 күн бұрын

@@CaptainBeebi i mean that whole minecraft@home thing happened to find pack.png and etc, i could see the community utilising that or something similar for this

@kilvesx7924

19 күн бұрын

@@CaptainBeebi I'm inclined to agree. I tested the 16-character numbers-only thing on my RX 5700. Does about 144 H/s and estimated time to crack is 220 754 years and 183 days. If someone cracked it, it being 16 characters is bollocks.

@Protofall

19 күн бұрын

Time obscures details. Maybe the password was so obvious back in 2011 because it was related to something fresh at the time? e.g. a then-recent tweet by a dev like Notch with a notable phrase. It would be on people's minds and theoretically someone could have tried it and opened the 7zip. Or it could have been related to someone from 2011 pop culture, who is forgotten now (e.g. Justin Bieber). Or maybe its something so simple that people overlooked it, like an epoch

you know, if the cape names screenshot is real then maybe they didn't want people to open it cause it contained private information of people who went to that minecon

@brandonbombplays9304

19 күн бұрын

Or it could be used to wreak havoc. Imagine if you could slap an outdated, nonfunctional piece of nonsense code onto a Minecraft account tied to anybody's computer. Code is delicate, you could probably corrupt somebody's ROM with something like that if the stars aligned.

@stardy8131

19 күн бұрын

it cant because the file was made three days before the minecon itself

@sopix7761

19 күн бұрын

@@stardy8131 i'm young so idk about that minecon but was it ticket based? cause if it was then maybe they made the file when the tickets sold out or somethin

@stardy8131

19 күн бұрын

@@sopix7761 I actually do not know but knowing data, data analysis and mojang i doubt they'd list all the names of the people that bought tickets/went to minecon in a single txt file, the file is really specific too and usually when sending data like this its accompanied with other kinds of stuff (And even then, if the file itself did have more things, knowing developers and data workers it would've been more efficient to just make a XLS/CSV file and easily have all the data sorted there for you). Also, minecon already had the names of the people that went there along with their usernames, not mojang, if anything the file would've been named toMojang, and mojang essentially had no purpose in sending this kind of data aswell cause they could directly just send the capes to the users from their offices at mojang if they already had these usernames. //I'd also like to mention how the txt file is 6GBs, the zip is only 76mb, though that could be due to compression This is coming from someone that studies IT and had lessons about data like this in conclusion.. What I'm trying to say is - that although it is possible, it is extremely unlikely that this is the case, I'm sure one day the file will be cracked and we'll find out though P.S. Sorry if my punctuation is bad, I'm dyslexic and often make these mistakes while writing

@dharmey63

18 күн бұрын

it's not real, the file extension shown is .zip when the real file has a .7z extension.

I have worked at three cyber security companies in my time and I absolutely guarantee you it’s a master password, yes they are that dumb. Our company had a master password that was used on practically everything digital related including locked files, the password is absolutely a master password

@ghoulbuster1

19 күн бұрын

Oh no

@Jacy-dx6dx

18 күн бұрын

Oh boy.... Anyone got a quantum computer?

@U20E0

17 күн бұрын

@@Jacy-dx6dxquantum computer would not help here

@Piglin_Emperor

17 күн бұрын

​@@Jacy-dx6dx 10 More Years and we'll Know what that file was!

@lourdespachla6516

17 күн бұрын

Noted.

The "playerswithcapes" makes me think that it is information about the players who have capes potentially things like real names, addresses, emails, potentially even credit card numbers. This fits with the "TAKE THIS DOWN" attitude that the users on that original thread had. The players who would have had capes at that time were only the attendees of that particular minecon and some mojang employees.

@DestroyedError009

19 күн бұрын

Im dont think so. File weight is too high for this.

@AshPuppy

19 күн бұрын

If that were the case, the people who "had seen it" wouldnt tell you to look at it and move on. They would be trying to prevent you seeing it at all. Its likely just a bunch of things like banners, videos, console/PC demos, etc and nothing of much value.

@eris9508

18 күн бұрын

as a veteran of hackforums (the minecraft section, at that) the most likely explanation is that flipybitz was trolling and nobody had ever cracked the file to begin with.

@qhgaming8653

18 күн бұрын

Why the f*ck will someone put their credit card and address numbers into a random game file

@Orincaby

18 күн бұрын

@@qhgaming8653 and store it on a public assets bucket, for God's sake

Ok but can we have a copy?

@glek3197

13 күн бұрын

that's what I thought

@hey-zq1vq

12 күн бұрын

You can just google it. "Original tominecon.7z found! : r/MinecraftUnlimited"

@Yuuki4.0

11 күн бұрын

i found the copy

@kazuya4133

11 күн бұрын

@@Yuuki4.0 send it

@Yuuki4.0

11 күн бұрын

Wat

This is probably my favourite ARG-style video on this channel. Others are fun and all, but at the end of the day, they are just orchestrated pieces of internet art. This, however, seems very real. Would be cool to actually see the contents of the file

@LasagaMan

19 күн бұрын

that's becuase it's an actual mystery related to Minecraft

@copyandpaste2052

19 күн бұрын

I swear people think everything on his channel is an arg I mean take a hint sometimes 😂

@andrewpinedo1883

19 күн бұрын

There are a lot of videos from this channel about ARGs. This isn't one of them.

@RetroGamingNow

19 күн бұрын

It is real, unlike my ARG videos

@vvvelx_gamer

19 күн бұрын

@@RetroGamingNow if u get your hands on the file I would try getting a 7zip/zip cracker

1:33 "Stanley, is this a bucket?"

@letthenonsensebegin

19 күн бұрын

Lol good one

@JoBot__

19 күн бұрын

I can't believe The Stanley Parable Ultra Deluxe is already 2 years old.

@CombustibleLemon77

19 күн бұрын

@@JoBot__ what the FUCK IT FEELS SO MUCH MORE RECENT THAN THAT, i remember being so pissed that they kept delaying it and i remember beating it as if it were yesterday...

@widmo206

19 күн бұрын

(In a french accent) _This is a bucket._

@jacksonpercy8044

19 күн бұрын

@@widmo206 Dear god...

Well, I took a look at the plaintext parts of the 7z, and managed to discover something. It's laid out like this: - Header: 0x0 - 0x20 (32 bytes long) - Contents data: 0x20 - 0x470B270 (74494544 bytes long, encrypted) - Contents metadata: 0x470B270 - 0x470C5E0 (4965 bytes long, encrypted -> decompressed: 38249 bytes long) - Footer: 0x470C5E0 - 0x470C60A The contents data and contents metadata are both encrypted, but the footer includes both the compressed and decompressed size of the metadata. And the decompressed metadata size is quite large, at 38KB. From that, even without knowing the password, we can infer that **there are many files or folders inside the 7z: likely at least several hundred**, anywhere up to a theoretical maximum of 1159. (33 bytes of metadata per file minimum, for a file that has a single-letter name)

@AcidicLanzador

16 күн бұрын

Interesting

@AcidicLanzador

16 күн бұрын

Btw, that's just extra proof that the "players with capes" screenshot is fake.

@Archman155

14 күн бұрын

this adds up to it being something like an early 360 build

@Leonard0F41G

14 күн бұрын

Could be sourcecode then

@djsmeguk

14 күн бұрын

Sounds like an install of Minecraft to me. The console version sounds very plausible. Also, that s3 bucket was their only bucket for some time at that point. It was probably put there by 4j studios so they could install it on the 360 devkit used for the demo. Edit: that's why the user metadata is missing I expect - 4j got a write only url to that bucket,vand perhaps there was no user data in the S3.

speaks well of the security of a 7z file

@ImAkiyama

18 күн бұрын

Not really of 7z itself, but more of the AES encryption model. There's a reason it's used everywhere (including the browser/app you're reading this comment on).

@309electronics5

16 күн бұрын

Its not just 7z its also aes encryption.

@Dwonis

12 күн бұрын

​@@ImAkiyamanot just AES, but the key-stretching algorithm (probably PBKDF2) used to convert the password into a key.

The thing is, I think that when they said it was Minecraft 1.0, they weren't lying: they never explicitly specified _which_ 1.0 - they could have been referring to the console 1.0 (the first version of the game), for all we know.

@Archman155

14 күн бұрын

console versions have never been referred to as 1.0, the first beta builds we know were called 1.66.0016.0, the first release TU0, and the release corresponding to java release 1.0 is called TU7

@SKCro.

14 күн бұрын

@@Archman155 ah, gotcha - it's possible that the exact version could have slipped their mind or they forgot the exact versioning scheme - after all, the tweets _did_ happen way after the file's creation (and subsequent replacement).

I think Notch was the one posting on the HackForums post claiming it was sensitive data, just to stir the pot a bit. It would be in character for him.

As a developer, it’s normal for test builds to be much larger than production builds because of extra debugging code, longer variable and function names that are human-readable, etc. The version that ships to general audiences usually goes through a minifier, which is software that shortens symbols (variable and function names) to one or two characters, and then the compilation process can have further optimizations that make the code smaller and faster

@tito_me_doe676

15 күн бұрын

If the original file indeed contains the 1.0 code for Xbox edition, it’s probably the version that the testers are using that retains its human-readable debugging tools, not the minified, optimized version that will ship to customers

@amaryllis0

12 күн бұрын

Minification only makes sense if you're distributing and directly running source code, like in JS. Java compiles to bytecode which is then run on the JVM. It makes no sense to minify Java code because it will compile to the same bytecode regardless. The bytecode will not store each variable as a string of dozens of bytes, it will enumerate the variables as integers.

@generallyunimportant

11 күн бұрын

@@amaryllis0 if it's a debug build it'd have symbols embedded in/alongside the main jar file i think, so it could just be a debug build. but also, if it's an actual 360 build of the game, it'd be written in c++, and i have no idea what black magic is used to store symbols in windows' PE files(the 360 is just a pc with a customized windows build on it afaik)

@HenryLoenwind

11 күн бұрын

@@amaryllis0 That's not quite true. While Java is running bytecode, it doesn't use memory addresses to access its variables; it uses their names. Same for classes, packages and methods. So a compiled Java file will have a good amount of "minifiable" text in it. And yes, Minecraft distributables are minified/obfuscated. However, it wouldn't create a compressed archive that much bigger. The compression algorithm will do the same thing a minifier does, and do it even better. The archive would roughly be bigger by the combined length of each unique string.

@owenrossi-keen2594

8 күн бұрын

​@@amaryllis0fwiw Mojang is notorious for minifiying the heck out of their code. It's one of the things that makes mod development way more difficult than it need to be.

A potential reason to why the version was on AWS was to quickly publish it when Notch pulled the lever. There could have been some code in there that when run publishes the Minecraft version to accelerate the process and have it run smoothly with a potential plan B, this of course would mean that the AWS access tokens where stored in there giving them a reason to encrypt and later swap it. Potentially it also contained additional software used for Minecon demos (or for giving out capes maybe?). Things you definetly don't want public but when you had time changing everything also wouldn't be detrimental anymore.

@AbrahamLure

18 күн бұрын

It's probably this. As a former game dev that presented at cons all the time, this is the kinda stuff we had

At 8:12, my gut feeling is that you are right and that this exchange is coming at the end of a longer dialogue. If the file was updated two hours prior to Notch's reply then their has to be a connection to that tweet. Perhaps other people where messaging him about the file in private or on some other social media platform, and maybe having forgot it existed he or someone else at Mojang went and changed it to the decoy file. Like, they knew if they just deleted the file then it would just draw more attention to it and energize more people to try and crack it open. Then when the next person messaged him in public about it he had an answer and acknowledged the files existence openly. Perhaps his response that it contained Minecraft 1.0 was just another smokescreen on top of the decoy file. Like, "Oh its just Minecraft 1.0 and you all already have that, no need to dig deeper" type of deal.

I knew something like this would come up. I always thought like "can't people just look into the game's code and find all the secrets or copy the whole game for themselves" but I guess not

@sunshinelastname1813

19 күн бұрын

Most games run off an “engine” these are programs like unreal4/5 where a middleman program will read data and translate it into an actual game experience for you. A lot of games have custom engines, or settings or program-plug-ins that modify how the original engine reads. Thus making it hard for normal people to just “rip” the game code. Sure you can access it, but actually using the code after is the biggest issue. For instance I can find all the data for a sim character very easily, download it and transfer it to another simmer in 5 minutes, but that data is almost useless unless you can find the right tools for (example) blender to read and actually display the data. As he mentioned some things are proprietary property too, and it’s very easy for devs to lock code away so you just can’t get it. Sucks to be a regular person I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️

@builder1013

19 күн бұрын

@@sunshinelastname1813 Yeah, makes sense

@Otome_chan311

19 күн бұрын

If it can run and display on your machine in game, it can be reverse engineered. The issue with files like these is that you normally need the password to get in, and this was clearly not meant to be a public facing file.

@pipeisreal

19 күн бұрын

generally when you download a game you are only downloading the compiled binary. this is the version of the game created from all the different bits of course code meant to actually run on a user's machine. the problem is that doing the *reverse* process (turning compiled code back into the decompiled source code) is much harder. big companies that put out games want their property to be protected, otherwise users could just recreate the entire game for free on their systems! for example, most compilers will "optimize" your code and run obfuscation programs, which will strip out each variable and function name and replace it with a generic one. because you don't have the compiler they used, you know have to try and guess what these variable and functions were called (for example, a simple function like getPos(player, 12) may turn into f9jj0z(gz0szn1,ff08s)). most compiled programs will also strip "symbols" from the program because it makes the file substantially smaller, which are impossible to regenerate of course, some programs are easier to decompile and reverse engineer than others. minecraft, a java program, has been decompiled many times because java compiles into what is known as bytecode, which retains symbol, class, and method names and thus makes it much more human readable.

@builder1013

18 күн бұрын

@@Otome_chan311 👍

16:40 I agree that it's just random bits appended in order to make the archive the same size. I did a simple frequency analysis over the bytes and it was pretty much flat i.e. each value was about as likely to appear, which is very unlike structured data.

@fission1110

18 күн бұрын

Could also be encrypted, which will also appear like random noise, assuming you're using a good block cipher mode. But I agree, very likely just random data to pad out the filesize.

@U20E0

17 күн бұрын

how flat

@JamesGroom

17 күн бұрын

@@U20E0 I deleted it but we're talking ±0.1%

@AcidicLanzador

16 күн бұрын

​@@fission1110 I'm just wondering why the updatded version has a slightly different filesize

@fission1110

16 күн бұрын

@@AcidicLanzador it's hard to predict the post compression filesize without just compressing over and over with different amounts of random data. They got it close and called it good enough.

I honestly didn't know Dinnerbone left, I suppose I haven't seen anything of him since he presented the account migration video.

@bonkerbonk343

14 күн бұрын

he didn't he still works there

Only the flying spaghetti monster understands Minecraft's code.

@somedesertdude1308

19 күн бұрын

he suffers inside it

@CaptainZaimon

19 күн бұрын

Everybody knows the pirates of Rastafarian myth made Minecraft soon after the oceans dried. Ramen.

@theexpanse1371

19 күн бұрын

R’amen.

@AresHoax_9

19 күн бұрын

Fun Fact there’s currently 4 religions who’s god/ deity is a spaghetti monster

@Littleham117

19 күн бұрын

​@@AresHoax_9did not know that lol but why

you cant just talk abt this and not give us an answer im gonna think abt this till the day i die

@StarHorder

17 күн бұрын

we... don't... have... an... answer. the... file... is... not... cracked...

@benedictgaming4766

17 күн бұрын

@@StarHorder well why didnt he crack it smh

@anonymousperson2886

17 күн бұрын

What did you think "no one has solved" meant?

@309electronics5

16 күн бұрын

​@@benedictgaming4766it takes like a lot of 4090s or a1000 gpus and then it would probably still take some time to crack the real password. Decryption is hard if not impossible to do without a whole gpu farm or trying every password but that is not worth it

Imagine after 1 decade we finally crack it, and just to see "The secret was the friends we made along the way"

If we have the original file, why can't we brute force it now? Computing power has advanced a lot since 2011, and with distributed computing stuff like seed finding has become a lot better. Mathematically this seems like a similar problem, so surely it wouldn't be too hard to crack now, right?

@brandonbombplays9304

19 күн бұрын

People are brute forcing it, it just isn't working. Seed finding is a bad example because it isn't really brute forcing at its core, it's working backwards from the code used to generate Minecraft worlds. Ex: if only numbers divisible by 17 generate swamp biomes at X coordinates, you can already exclude all those seeds that don't, exponentially decreasing the seeds you need to search. Brute forcing is involved but not close to as much as something like a 7z file.

@thearrogantone4756

19 күн бұрын

There was the mention that it is only numbers and 16 digits, that has got to lower the total amount of combos to brute force right? (assuming that is true)

@thearrogantone4756

19 күн бұрын

Never mind, I did the very simple math and it's still 10,000,000,000,000,000 options

@CuteistFox

19 күн бұрын

@@thearrogantone4756 thats a week with hashcat and a rtx 4090

@LetrixAR

19 күн бұрын

​@@brandonbombplays9304is there any proof of that?

dude this is what i like to call an unsatisfying ending

I love how I called that the etag isn't (always) md5 like the moment you first introduced the xml data describing the file and like 16 minutes later my hunch has been proven correct :'3

@chiefhydropolis

18 күн бұрын

i cant tell whether that apostrophe is meant to be a cheek marking, a nose, a tear, or an ear

@mjdevlog

18 күн бұрын

i think about that because of the `-`

Wow, the editing in this is amazing! Great job on the music, it definitely gave me chills while watching. Subscribed.

It's just Minecraft 1.0 where the build wasn't obfuscated. I was around at the time as a modder, and that was the consensus between what we believed in the modding and forge IRC channel.

@owenfeilds

12 күн бұрын

Wait what?

@DigitalViscosity

9 күн бұрын

@@owenfeilds The new video posted today basically said this is true.

can't believe this mystery is still unsolved, we'll definitely need a part two! what's in the file?!?!

@poluki

19 күн бұрын

exactly what I was thinking, what is in the file?

@epicboizgames1170

18 күн бұрын

The real mystery is why can’t we just brute force the og one? Computers have gotten much better since 2011

@greenvm

18 күн бұрын

@@epicboizgames1170 Because it's so computationally intensive that the few dozen times speedup we gained in the last 13 years are completely insignificant compared to how hard it is to crack.

@truffledwaffles8311

18 күн бұрын

​@@polukieven notch doesn't know. He was asked again on a twitter post for his game levers and chests. I'm pretty sure notch doesn't know what is in the file

@tipoima

18 күн бұрын

@@greenvm "Insignificant" is being too harsh. It'd take several years for ChatGPT-level of hardware to crack, so with a setup like minecraft@home it would definitely be possible

Two RetroGamingNow videos uploaded within only two weeks of each other!? We're eating good!!! 🔥🗣💯

@ThunderCube3888

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, he said that he intends to start uploading more regularly again

@memelordmarcus

19 күн бұрын

@@ThunderCube3888 WOOOOO 💯💯💯

@Browniera_

19 күн бұрын

​@@ThunderCube3888SICK 🔥🔥

This is a very captivating mystery. I feel like it contains both a dev kit and the Minecon console beta. They possibly forgot that the dev kit was tied to the console beta when they first uploaded the file, hence why they removed it. If Mojang already allows us to pursue such a large number of previous Minecraft versions though, then why would this possible console beta prompt such a swift replacement of the file? Unless maybe the dev kit was somehow embedded into the Minecraft beta itself.

Hey hey hey! I'm a dev (not in java which is minecraft language). While everything could be in this file, I'd like to point why it could very well be the version 1.0 of minecraft: There is a difference in size between a dev build and a release build. dev build contains a shit ton of debug info, which can weight quite much (for example, at my workplace, we have our product that in dev build takes 1.5Go, but 400Mo in release build). debug info contains tremendous informations about the source code of the game, making it effectively "dangerous" if released in the wild for a closed source product. perhaps the file is a dev build of minecraft, that was archived there for convenience, then forgotten, then, when mojang noticed that oopsie doopsie it was a dev build, they swapped the file

I just finished rewatching your Minecraft ARG videos yesterday, what a coincidence 😮

I'd be willing to dedicate some of my time and tools to crack this. We've got quantum computers, you know.

I think it's really nothing notable, since Mojang employees chose to respond like they're just trolling

another mysterious video, loving these!

@Rayvidsidk

19 күн бұрын

Fr

@Mo67740

19 күн бұрын

True, I would like to see more of the IRL documentaries from RGN like the weird Space radio signal thing he uploaded

honey wake up a new retrogamingnow video dropped

@nescafeblend43

19 күн бұрын

YIPEEEEE

IVE BEEN WATCHING UR VIDEOS ON LOOP ALL WEEK.. YOURE AWESOME FOR THIS

Who else thinks Notch swapped the file, and when he was replying to the tweet, he was referring to the original one, because how was he supposed to remember which date he uploaded the decoy 4 years ago?

Let's gooo New video!! Love watching your videos for the feeling of Paranoia and Inspiration! (Watching it at 11:20pm) I love your videos RGN!!! ❤❤❤❤

@DehDehDehDehDehDehDeh

14 күн бұрын

"Let's goon" 💀

I love the dramatic horror themes of these old Minecraft mysteries. Love the content! ❤❤

Thank you for this video, not only was the subject matter interesting, the music gave me vibes of some perticular C&C songs!

I adore waking up and seeing a notif for a new vid from you, always makes my day, i remmeber makin fanart for you a year ago, gotta do some more again💥💥💥💥

I just searched up your channel randomly right after you uploaded the video. Damn I'm lucky.

Pretty sure the data file is meant to be mixed against the video file to output something else, a silly Mojang ARG. The password on the decoy being 16 characters in length is in reference to the forum post discussing the original.

I really enjoyed this video, well done man. These mysteries always leave me with more questions though, I guess that’s just how it goes…

Really nice video. spoken like a true detective, following the theory with the least possible suppositions. At the end I think it's a mix of all the 3. now I'm subscribed❤

Edit: @NjRmMTIxMjVlNDFiNDkzMDVh in the replies corrected me, what I'm describing isn't called a hash collision, but it's called a second preimage attack and MD5 is not susceptible to it. The original message I sent can be found below, but keep in mind that it's not accurate. Not sure about s3md5, but regular md5 is incredibly susceptible to "hash collisions" and it's not too difficult to create a completely different file that would produce the same hash as some other file. If you have ever looked at any resources for hash algorithms you've probably seen people discourage the use of MD5 for this reason. I'm not sure if it would be possible to create a valid 7z file with password protection that would produce the same hash without custom tooling, but it's a possibility that I think is worth noting before we believe random things on the internet. It would be a good idea to find more independent copies of the original 7z file before we conclude that this guy actually has the original.

@AcidicLanzador

16 күн бұрын

It's actually kinda weird that more people didn't preserve the original file anywhere. Well, maybe it's because not many paid attention to the file being replaced back then.

@tamoozbr

16 күн бұрын

At least for the 1st segment, wouldn't the header make collision attacks significantly harder?

@tim.martin

15 күн бұрын

On the same thought-train, the s3md5 reversal script which mysteriously appeared, could potentially have been created to produce the desired string for this 7z.

@elementalwoof

15 күн бұрын

@@tamoozbr I'm not going to pretend to fully know what I'm talking about, because I don't. From what I've heard and what little I do know about hash algorithms though is that as long as the file is long enough you should be able to replace enough of the internals without breaking the file to produce the same hash without compromising the file size or any important headers, the only thing you do compromise is the data itself (which wouldn't really matter for perpetuating a mystery on the internet, since the data in question is supposedly encrypted and the key to decrypt it is the mystery.)

@elementalwoof

15 күн бұрын

@@AcidicLanzador I don't think it's that weird. Back then Minecraft was a smaller game, not many people probably would have been poking around for files like that and even fewer of those people probably cared about preservation.

It’s so comfy watching your videos

"Danny Dorito" made me do an imaginary spit-take Silly internet handles popping up in serious mystery stories is just wonderful

The phrasing of, "It does not contain anything useful to you, Laki. What do you think it contains?" is oddly terrifying lmao. It makes the contents feel so ominous.

The file contains the source code for the 1.0 version of Minecraft. That would explain why it is so much larger than the compiled version.

@NickAc

19 күн бұрын

A downside of this theory is that text (source code in this case) compresses way better than binary files, especially with algorithms like LZMA (in which the 7z format usually relies upon)

@dern3rd

18 күн бұрын

@@NickAc Having worked with java in the past, I can tell you many devs have libraries used to build the code in the source code files (or repo etc) included, as back then dependency tools like maven were not that great. This could explain the increased file size

@NickAc

18 күн бұрын

@@dern3rd yeah, i've worked with similar tools before, and indeed sometimes the source-code is shipped with the built stuff, but text is still small when compressed with 7z. But I guess having both side-by-side could impact compression ratios

@majicktek5051

16 күн бұрын

@@dern3rd Back in the day Mojang used Subversion as their version control, and SVN repos can be fairly large

25:55 thespicemustflow may be an anagram for a different phrase that is the password. Or maybe given that the password is noted to be all numbers at one point the letters may translate to numbers in some way- maybe it uses the first digit of each hex code used to encode the letters or something similar.

@selvius101

12 күн бұрын

i might try that

this was so fascinating to watch! amazing video

Even if the password is all numbers and 16 digits long theres 10 quadrillion possible combinations 💀 Collectively everyone would have to go through ~19 billion combinations a minute, ~27 trillion a day, to have that done in a year. That is if someone isn't lucky and somehow it's the last guess. Just to get an idea of how large that number is and how unlikely someone has actually already cracked it even if that is the only parameters

The dude said the password was only numbers, so there was already no way 'thespicemustflow' could have been the pw (assuming the first guy actually did crack it).

imagine it's just a rick roll

Bro posted 2 videos with the releases close together, bro you are a dub because we love minecraft arg's keep giving us that W content ❤

You know its going to be a good day when RGN posts a new Minecraft lore video

Is there a way to get the decoy and the one with the strange "data" file in it, as well as the original file?

The video here shows the preparation days before the event. Notch mentioned though that during the preparation of the files, it was 1 and a half days to go before minecon which was far different from the three days that the file shows. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pImM09hteLy4d6g.html

@nilsleonhardtdev

14 күн бұрын

nice that you found that

this is one of the most intriguing mc videos i've ever come across, the former being when the hunt for the menu screen world was in it's peak.

Liking the video before I watch it just because of the music. Your content is always great.

have you tried 12345

you make MUSIC for your videos too?!! what a gem of a channel!

@someone4229

16 күн бұрын

HOLY that takes a ton of effort

Woooooo!!! Can’t wait to see more videos like this, about time we see something not alpha arg related

your theory of the development x-box version makes a lot of sense, even the conversation in the old forum, warning people that it could be risky to try to download, supports it plus, the missing 26 hours of posts from the wayback machine could be because of a takedown request by mojang (or the forum owners if mojang demanded it)

As someone who has worked conventions and such, dropping a file in an easily accessible place so that someone on site can grab it quick is a common last minute thing to do. The file name and quick .7z passwording lines up with that presumption too. My guess is it's attendee personal information for the making badges and receiving the cape.

Wake up babe new RetroGamingNow dropped

This was so spooky and awesome! love it!

I was expecting a sick jumpscare for the entire duration of the video glued to my seat idk how you do it but you are a master of viewer retention on longer videos

lets gooo! the legend has posted

btw, Dinnerbone is still an employee at Mojang (you said at some point in the video he was a former dev)

Amazingly put together

I swear minecraft players will cure cancer if its part of an obscure mystery of a data packet from invdev version or something like that.

I'm currently trying to open the file using a 16 digit password that only contains numbers. It's very very slow lmao. And if either assumption is wrong, it'll yield nothing except for extra knowledge about the password (either it isn't 16 characters or it has non-number symbols)

@XTMRes

18 күн бұрын

Report back if you come across anything man, good luck

@atsizbalik

18 күн бұрын

commenting here so i'll get notified in the future

@Ven0mstrike

18 күн бұрын

Bump. I am also attempting this same list. Report back if you find out anything before I do.

@littleladybuglife

17 күн бұрын

GL

@arandomsupra

17 күн бұрын

Keep in mind that the number of possible passwords could be written with scientific notation

16:33 Maybe that's GZip-compressed NBT data?

@CuteistFox

19 күн бұрын

the website would of stated the gzip magic number

@Maric18

19 күн бұрын

@@CuteistFox would have

@riku5543

19 күн бұрын

I checked but the file doesn't have a gzip header, and the data is so large that I don't think it would be nbt data. I think it really is just padding to get the file size close to the original

@Lampe2020

19 күн бұрын

@@Maric18 I think some people misunderstand "would've" as "would of" when they hear it and then just write it like that instead of checking if it's even a real term. I've seen that multiple times just this year.

@AdminOfYourMom

19 күн бұрын

im pretty sure that it's just random junk they got from /dev/(u)random just to make the archived file appear bigger

Alright, time to build a quantum supercomputer so I can decrypt that file...

Thank you so much, this was fascinating! I'm sure you won't see this, but if you do, please consider covering ZeeMyth's ARGs. There's a lot going on in there but as far as I can tell no one's actually trying to crack them.

got a brute force software going that only looks for 16 character passwords with only numbers to see if it will find it, will edit if found. it has gone through 158k passwords so far

@darkmoon5564

19 күн бұрын

good luck

@Jaydolion

19 күн бұрын

Notify me if you open it. Also good luck

@Morwa32

18 күн бұрын

Replying to get a notif when something happens

@Andersam

18 күн бұрын

I'm running one too. but will stop if I notice a follow up here or will post what I find if I get there faster.

@vibaj16

17 күн бұрын

That'll take a very long time, and the people claiming that they cracked it and that it's 16 digits were probably lying, because AES-256 is effectively impossible to crack

Perhaps the original tominecon file contains info about JFK's real murder 😨😨

@andrewpinedo1883

19 күн бұрын

That's actually an interesting thought experiment. It is an interesting idea that Notch found lost information, put it on this file, and on 2012-08-08 he was reminded of the information somehow and rushed to swap it. Is it possible that the segment from Petey Greene's Washington being put on the decoy file is no accident?

@vvstwo

15 күн бұрын

its notch's lever and pickaxe on full display it was cracked in discord now we have the pics notch's lever hanging out and he's smoking redstone out of an iron bucket he's doing all sorts of stuff very damaging to mojang what a tragedy very sad

I love how this is documented like a murder mystery.

Man, I love your videos

Why out of any games out there minecraft has the most mystery

so the video is 26 mins long, its been 27 mins, most of these people commenting bout the vid, havent finished it

@corydonk

19 күн бұрын

work on, your, comma placements please,

@Jake28

19 күн бұрын

@@corydonk ng, l, you should, work on yours too

@catfacecat.

19 күн бұрын

​@Jake28 I, also think, you, should improve your, too,

@corydonk

18 күн бұрын

@@Jake28 I',m so,rr,y, I, tota,lly, mis,sed, my, egre,giou,s , mis,tak,es. I wi,ll, try b,etter nex,t ti,me.

@EQ_EnchantX

5 күн бұрын

Not true. I myself have a video extension that defaults to 1.5x speed. Sometimes that is not fast enough and I boost it up to 1.8x

As a software developer, I don't really find it 'mysterious' that they would throw a file up into their assets server if the whole team/company is going to be travelling, knew they needed that file, and knew they would have Internet access at the event. Sometimes you just need to get a file someone accessible. And if it's password protected and all, its not really that 'risky'. This was before Microsoft bought Minecraft for $2 Billion, right? Minecraft was popular, but Mojang wasn't a gigantic company, and it wasn't structured like a bloated corporate entity. It was technical and creative folks focused on getting things done. I could easily see it just being an easy way to transfer something they needed for the convention. But, that could also easily be something sensitive like contact information for everyone at the venue or complete attendees list full of personal info, accounting information, contracts, who knows.

An idea why the password was switched to thespicemustflow is that it was originally a different 16 letter quote from dune, those being "We must confront" "He who controls" "A beginning is" "Walk without rhythm" All of these are possible to be the original password, but remember that maybe somethings are better left unknown