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@Jan_Seidel

14 күн бұрын

Nice wrap-up. Time to move on. US is coming ;) There is *NO* country without any stains. US and slavery - and other stuff, UK invented the concentration camps, the Netherlands invented the term "n*gg*r" - which means lazy and so on- Is does not matter which flag you pick, all are soiled with blood. But Germany is pre-dominant. My german grams was a captain in the submarine fleet and got de-nazified 3 times. I have still no idea what it means. But it struck me at an age of 50, that they had a lamp made of human skin. How scary is that??? I was raised in the danish society with german roots. but having a lamp like that was *SO* out of my understanding, I f first realized the scope as I saw a documentation covering exactly this topic. I almost puked as I realized I had a lamp made with human skin in my hands as 7 year old. No wonder my grandmother didn't want to answer me when I asked what this lampshade is. It felt so different to all I knew expect the drum skin of the bongo drum my mom had. I had a piece of a human in my hands! How did I realize it? The "paintings" in the shade was actually a tattoos! First time I heard something positive about Germans was actually as I went to Ireland. My dad was born 4 years after WWII but he reacts *extraordinary* bad when I try to put my grams into the right light. My danish grand mum was actually in the danish resistance,. She lost her entire school class - except the friends accompanying her - at a faire. The SS showed up, lined the entire class up, accussing some of the being part of the resistance, and shot everybody. After the event the entire danish family went rogue. Nursing refugees and acting passively on the behalf of the resistance. My grand aunt went further, even activly participating in the resistance. I don't know, but I suspect her for killing german nazis, as I for example found a blackjack in her inheritance asodes of other not common items. So you see, I have insight from both extreme parties and feel like being somewhere in the nowhere. And that at an age of 51. The scourge is not gone yet. The term you look for is not responsibility, but remorse. Love ya

@JuergenW-rk5gg

11 күн бұрын

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@callumkent7155

8 күн бұрын

German guilt is just pathetic. They need to get over it. No one expects them to hold guilt anymore. Stop being woke and be proud of your country. Do the Brits. And Turks hold guilt for the actions of the ottoman and British empire. NO they don’t. So move on Germany.

@PaloukaMan

7 күн бұрын

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@lintommy1236

7 күн бұрын

Yes ! Me too When we join in Germany , does it mean they know we are there ? Then we can’t watch what we wanted before then ? Sorry - never done that Is it a silly question ? 🆘

I am German, I was born 23 Years after the war ends. I am not guilty for the crime, that the Nazis did between 1933 and 1945, BUT because of this past of the German people, I have the inner moral mandate to do everything to ensure that something like the Holocaust never repeats itself in Germany again. It is the mission of history to which many of my generation and the following generations have been imposed and which must never be erased from the collective memory of the Germans. Never again Nazis, never again concentration camps, never again a dictatorship!

@elisabethgrund-schneider4223

15 күн бұрын

Have you noticed, what is happening right now across the "West"?

@he1nz57

15 күн бұрын

Can you help us Americans with our current fanatic/extremist problem?

@elmaxlix

15 күн бұрын

@@adrianosousamendes2948 Jo, Du Otto hast natürlich voll die Ahnung. Leider schreibst Du Bullshit kleiner Nazi!

@elmaxlix

15 күн бұрын

@@he1nz57 Education!

@elmaxlix

15 күн бұрын

@@adrianosousamendes2948 Bullshit from a Nazi!

As a German, I know our history. I look to the US and see book bans and Nazi flags - and it gives me chills. Because I know history - not despite. I see a (former) leader of a democratic state that argues that he is immune and law does not affect him. I see armed groups of people ideologically tied to a single person. I see the signs and hope for the next election.

@eternal8510

12 күн бұрын

Next time fascism comes around it will dress up as anti-fascism.

@CatToaster

11 күн бұрын

​@@eternal8510 Basically the far right in germany is doing exactly that. Putting themselves in the role of the victim (what they always do best), claiming they are being pursued by everyone else (which is really everyone, from the Right, Middle, Left, Far-Left) calling them fascists. What that does: Words have no common meaning anymore, everyone understands only what he or she wants. So the Neo-Nazis actually pretend to be "anti-fascists". Just like Putin is doing it in the Ukraine. So I assume, you and me have a completely different understanding of the few words you just posted.

@Oma_Wetterwachs

11 күн бұрын

​@@eternal8510 This is the Problem in many countries today. Russia, China.....to name the 2 biggest countries with this Kind of Problem. There is and there will ever be a fashistic communism. Good communism is a dream. And the second Problem will be Fashism under the flag of a democratic country. Or Look at Turkey, wtf happens there?!?

@axrinator

10 күн бұрын

​​@@eternal8510stupid comment

@Gomorra1989

10 күн бұрын

Adding to this I also see how things like that get more and more popular here in germany again aswell :(

"If we don't want to have the 1930/40ies again, we shouldn't repeat the 1920ies" is a statement i increasingly often think about.

@user-hm9is5ke9i

15 күн бұрын

way, way, way too late for that.

@eichzoernchen

15 күн бұрын

@@user-hm9is5ke9i i'm afraid, that might be the case, at least partially

@malle9572

14 күн бұрын

@@user-hm9is5ke9i Ah yes the 1920s with their immigration issues, the voting rights for everyone, high employement rates and ....wait what?!

@sylviadrees3761

14 күн бұрын

​@@malle9572this is no reason to murder.

@LCamp-cr7fs

14 күн бұрын

Certainly not. But it explains how a populist movement and a rise of authoritarianism can happen. And history is about to repeat itself.

"not my fault, but my responsibility" covers it pretty good, in my opinion

@Ashorisk

13 күн бұрын

the the debt part not the guilt part in Schuld !

@m0-m0597

13 күн бұрын

No

@herzl67

12 күн бұрын

True. Please work on your national trauma, because it makes normal German pride of itself impossible. Self-hate is as dangerous as grandiosity.

@herzl67

12 күн бұрын

When the German President Steinmaier praises the Iranian regime that calls the only Jewish State on earth a "cancer" I wonder what the German promise of "never again" means.

@haifutter4166

12 күн бұрын

​@@Ashoriskfunnily enough German has only one word for both, but I agree. Das dritte Reich, and the post war split Germany are major topics in our school education. This not only applies to history classes, but music, German, economics and politics as well. Were are litteraly trained to see the early warning signs. This and how democracy functions and developed during European history, as well as mordern threats were major topics of at least of my school education.

Dear Nalf, I'm German and was born in 1965. My father was just 1 when Hitler rose to power and my mother was born into Nazi-Germany. I don't know if my grandparents voted for Hitler or not. I never knew my grandfathers and with my grandmothers I didn't have this conversation because when I was old enough to ask questions they had already passed. I don't acknowledge the term "Schuld" or "Kollektivschuld" for myself or anybody who was not of age when WWII ended. I admire the "White Rose" and all resistance movements. Most of them paid dearly for their effort. I can't change the past, so imho "guilt" is the wrong terminology. But to remember the victims is important. I knew a kind and lovely lady who had problems with her mobility, my husband called her "auntie" though she wasn't a relative. My mother-in-law cared for her after her husband passed. Only after she passed I learned she was a Nazi victim - because of her below-average IQ she was neutered. That's a horrible faith for a young woman. Yet, I never heard a single word of grief, hate, or desperation leave her mouth. That's why I feel the responsibility to do all in my capability to prevent a regime like the Nazis ever arise again.

@AnnetteLudke-je5ll

14 күн бұрын

Thank you.

My grandfather fought in the pacific war because he was German immigrant to the US. My Japanese American friend’s family members that had been here since the 19th century had their land stolen and were locked up in American concentration camps due to their heritage. We have no high moral ground to stand on, and we never have. Especially coming from the current US as we collectively march towards our own brand of fascist state.

@JyV79

15 күн бұрын

What does this have to do with what Americans do or don’t do. It’s about whether Germans should feel a historic responsibility. I think you believe that Americans should have a sense of responsibility for having put Japanese citizens and residents into camps, those living in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Washington. I agree. But if the US and Americans today should feel some responsibility, shouldn’t the Germans as well?

@waylinar

15 күн бұрын

@@JyV79 the Difference here is We the Germans have The Guilt YOU Americans Deny Any Guild. Americans have raped thousands of prisoners, shot them for no reason, mutilated them and much more. For fun, your soldiers tied German officers who had surrendered together and put grenades between them and detonated them. Was America given any blame for this? Is it even taught in your schools how much unnecessary violence the Americans committed in their World War II history? No. you know no Guilt. We grew up with the guilt of doing too much evil in the Second World War

@sylviadrees3761

14 күн бұрын

Germans are not in collective punishment. JUwish say: If it coulld happen in germany, it can Happen all over the world. Germany has the duty, to tell the people of the world this.

@arnodobler1096

14 күн бұрын

@@JyV79 At the very least, the USA should not want to whitewash its sometimes terrible history or ban books.

@Habakuk_

14 күн бұрын

That's what I think as well. The Americans also raped German women after the war. That was also hushed up, and violence against blacks and indigenous people should not be kept quiet either. Should clean up first. Only the victims of Nazi Germany would have the right to accuse someone. ps: Thrump also uses Nazi vocabulary so no reason for moral superiority.

As grandchilde of guestworkers from the 70's. I can only tell this: It's important not to forget, but don't let it be a burden for the future. What happend can't be undone. Resposibility and respect for the past. And a new perspectiv for the future.

Big parts of my family have been wiped out during the war being German civilians who had to flee German territories before and after the Russians moved in. My grandfather was taken by the Russians to Russia mainland for reparations and never came back. Other family members were brutally tortured and killed in front of family members. We will never forget. Those stories are engraved in our souls. We don’t need guild to remember. Our wounded souls and the souls of all victims of all countries of this war should keep us awake to stand against any movement that leads to war or any totalitarian regime. This war was brutal on all sites like war always is. We really need to make sure that my children and their children will never have to live again what my parents had to experience. But not through guilt. But through healing.

@hp8825

12 күн бұрын

I'm so sorry to hear that about your family. But yeah , I agree. We have to forgive each other. We have to be responsible. I belive most of europe is on a pretty good way. We do it better every day. We do it better with every country we cooperate with, with every country who has their seats in the european parlament. We have to share some love for every human, for every living thing on this planet. How else do we want to coexist?

@a.r.stellmacher8709

11 күн бұрын

@@hp8825 And what about the war in Ukraine. Of course, we all want peace. But we, the masses, are not calling the shots. Those shots are called by very old, mostly senile human beings.

I am American of Spanish descent and not until a couple of years ago did I learn of this German guilt which saddened me to think of the weight of this burden. It’s good to acknowledge the past and learn from it to build a better tomorrow. I have a lot to say on this topic but I am glad you made this video. Thank you for sharing! Much love Germany ❤️

I was born in Rotterdam, The Netherlands, our city was completely bombed to the ground. Mij entire life, until today my city is building, for nearly 50 years I do not know my city any better as its building. You would expect that there is a lot of hate against Germans but reality is there is not. Not once in School the story was told in a way it would create feelings of hate. It was always told with quite a clear separation between Nazi's and Germans. I have quite some German friends that love to come here we even often joke about it. one friend always says your city is so fresh and modern... And than he says oh that's right my grand father started it... In general people understand quite well that the people of today can not be blamed for what happend.

@keinervondaoben720

13 күн бұрын

what a bullshit.....the dutch-army went into the city of Rotterdam and therefore Rdam became a legal target of the Wehrmacht due to Den-Hague-conventions. The Wehrmacht asked several times to give up, but no response was given. The dutch-troops surrended as the german bombers had been already in the air and could not reached by radio. German ground forces fired flare-guns but only a few german pilots interpreted this signs correctly. Finally, ca. 3,000 people died on the dutch side....this is sad, but it has been war. The bombing of Rdam is far away from ca. 700 german cities which had been bombed....ca. 14 cities had been destroyed >95%......Dresden ca. 300,000-350,000 thousands of death and other german towns with 10x of thousands of death and millions of destroyed buildings

@zanderalex2463

13 күн бұрын

I think that's also the case now. I think it was different until the 70s. My mother (born after the war) was once refused service on a trip to Holland because she was German. Given the horrors of a few years earlier, I understand that.

@WMeier-kd8hz

13 күн бұрын

Thank you from Friesland

@WMeier-kd8hz

13 күн бұрын

@@keinervondaoben720You should read the comment again. It is a lesson in forgiveness and understanding, for not hating but living in peace and friendship . Yours ………… ?

@WMeier-kd8hz

13 күн бұрын

@@zanderalex24631974 football finals between German and the Netherlands. As far as I remember not the best time for a stay on a dutch camping site. But that was than

When I first came to the U.S. from Germany in the late 70ies, I was often asked and confronted with my country's past. I would hear comments like "This could never happen over here!" Well, decades later, we (the U.S.) are inching our way closer and closer to more and more extremism and I realize now, how incredibly fragile democracy is or can be anywhere. All you need, is a power hungry opportunist and equally opportunistic followers, who are hungry for "their" way of life to be imposed onto others against their will. My parents were very young children, when Hitler came to power but they had the great misfortune, to have to live under such a ruler, and then when it came time for war, they were old enough to be conscripted into the military, or live through the horrors of war, as a civilian. The education I received during my childhood in the 60ies and 70ies, came with the important message, that this should never happen again. There were some uncomfortable questions we children asked our parents after those classroom lessons but I also learned a lot about the savagery of war, from their personal accounts. I'm glad, my parents opened up to these type of conversations at least occasionally, because that wasn't always the experience other kids had with their parents. Overall, I would say, we need to be incredibly watchful and vigilant and shore up our democracies, against people like Hitler or Hitler wannabes.

@danielhess6261

5 күн бұрын

I really like your comment 👍

7:25 "I don't think something like this will happen again...Humanity has become sensible." Suuuuure, man. Must be a happy life if you don't read newspapers, don't watch the news and don't have internet.

@u.z.9383

10 күн бұрын

This was a typical German answer to this subject. It translates as "We Germans have become sensible, there's no reason to fear us". Sensible? No! But we're a quite wealthy country, depending on exports. We supply wars instead of fighting wars. The last thing we'd like to experience is a war somewhere in the neighborhood

@wayneincognito3243

10 күн бұрын

@@u.z.9383 He said "Humanity has become sensible" and did not limit himself to the Germans. Supporting Ukraine against the Russians' brutal war is completely right. Our government is still doing far too little. Appeasement policy did not help Europe in the 1930s, but only made the aggressor stronger. You don't like war in your neighborhood? Then stop the aggressor NOW.

Guilt? No, not for modern Germans. Shame? Yes, for the crimes committed back then. Responsibility to look out that we don't repeat history? Yes, very, very definitely. Greetings from a German in Hamburg, born in 1970 to parents who were children and young teens during the war in Germany.

@captainsewerrat

15 күн бұрын

The still echoing guilt and shame however is partly responsible for the way we have coddled and overlooked systemic issues with immigration, criminal migrant families and people who aren't willing or able to integrate into modern day Germany, this fear of being called a Nazi and/or Racist against. We've failed both immigrant and second and third generation families with non-German roots as much as we have failed the German society as a whole. We had (and still have) entire German generations afraid to say they are proud of our countries achievements because of a shameful atrocious decade in our history, we shouldn't forget and we have learned from it, but we're regressing (look at the AfD) due to inepititude to disconnect from that part of history enough. I don't like the right, if anything I despise them for their hateful rhetoric but the fact that that are growing should be a major concern, and the rest of the political spectrum has played into their hands for the past 20 something years with their failures to address real societal issues.

@teddyslullaby89

14 күн бұрын

I have nothing of it and i am German myself, neither guilt nor shame, it is History for me nothing else. And with all the radical Muslims in our country, I could swear that history will repeat itself, but not because of people's lower consciousness, but because of the government that is trying so hard to overthrow this country (like the Weimar Republic).

@1afterthep

14 күн бұрын

But still I don't think Germany has to send its money all over the world and let everybody immigrate into the country and then provide for them financially.

@Rezzatoni

14 күн бұрын

@@captainsewerrat I don't think that taking responsibility for the atrocities germans committed during WWII caused the problem of poorly integrated immigrants, but the persistence of some medival conceptions of nations and citizenship. It is a fallacy to think of the plentitude of inhabitants of a community as a single body with a single identity and definite interests; in modern times political institutions like cities, states and countries are more like the caretaker of the infrastructure. If all germans had opened up to their new co-citizens from the beginning instead of avoiding contact as much as possible, integration wouldn't be a topic now. And that's not only for the muslim immigrants, even the immigrants from Italy still didn't turn "german" by now: at every international soccer tournament you can see them wearing italian jerseys, even in third or fourth generation. Few pizzerias or italian ice parlors abstain from showing the italian flag (even if the owner is an immigrant from India): to be italian IS a way to be german, and germans honour that by eating "pasta" instead of "noodles" and cheer if they are bed farewell with "Ciao, bella" ...

@Dukster9000

14 күн бұрын

@@Rezzatoni Integration is the duty of the migrant ,not the job of the host nation.

My opinion as a German: A lot of ppl inside and outside of Germany throw around the terms "guilt","responsibility" and "shame" as if they're the same. On a personal level I don't feel any guilt, shame or responsibility at all. I was born 48 years after the war had ended. I am neither responsible for what happened nor am I guilty of the crimes that were commited before I was born by ppl who have nothing in common with me other than share my nationality. In the same way I personally am not capable of feeling real shame for things others did. As others already said, I feel, however, that as a country, we do have a responsibility to make sure that sth like that never happens again in Germany. However, that shouldn't be an exclusive feeling only for Germans. A lot of countries and governments engaged in Genocide over the centuries and to think that Germany somehow has to keep a special eye out in comparison to other countries is to say that there is sth especially vicious about the German ppl, which I don't agree with.

@just1boot

14 күн бұрын

Well said. I'm not sure who is saying that they feel personal guilt, or maybe they are under the impression that others want them to feel guilty? It should be everyone's own decision how they feel about it and how they work through those feelings. Responsibility is the keyword. We all need to ensure that this does not happen again, for example by talking about it with our peers and especially the younger generations.

@slezyorla

14 күн бұрын

Perfect comment.

@corni9299

14 күн бұрын

Ich stimme dir da voll und ganz zu. Die Judenverfolgung endete nicht an der deutschen Grenze sondern erfolgte über die Grenzen hinweg auch in Frankreich und anderen Ländern. Erschreckend finde ich aber, dass manches wieder geschieht. Danksagungen an H. In Gästebüchern von KZs und anderen Gedenkstätten und Nazisymbole an ebensolchen Orten kommen ja leider inzwischen wieder öfter vor 😢.

👏🏼👏🏼 Well and evenly said!! I’m an American, having lived in/around Stuttgart since June 2019 and I couldn’t agree with you more. You nailed all the angles in a level-headed manner, in my humble opinion. Again, well stated! 🙌🏼

A German woman here, born in 1966... Personally, I don't feel any guilt or shame about the Second World War. Fortunately, I know very well that no one in my family was involved in the atrocities - quite the opposite. My great-grandfather on my mother's side (a count from Italy who fled his home country to Germany because of a forbidden duel) was active in the resistance and helped to bring many Jews to safety. For this he was shot by the Nazis as a resistance fighter. My great-grandmother then fled to northern Germany with her terminally ill daughter and 3 small grandchildren. My paternal great-grandfather also fled to northern Germany; as a passionate photographer, he took many pictures during the war and added them to my maternal great-grandfather's war diary. At home, it was extremely welcome for us children to ask questions - and they were always answered. My grandparents could hardly talk about the horror of the war; they suffered like animals, were massively tortured, went hungry for years and had to live in miserable conditions. We children were never made to feel guilty or ashamed, neither at school nor at home - on the contrary, it was always emphasized that our generation (and subsequent generations) had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes. But what really annoys me is the fact, that the whole world still points the finger at "the evil Germans" - but always forgets that many other countries also have their dark past! It wasn't just Germans who were responsible for millions of deaths! China has Mao Zedong, Russia Stalin, France Napoleon... not to forget the genocide of the Indians in the USA, the deaths caused by the dropping of the two atomic bombs (the consequences of which the inhabitants of Japan still suffer today). what about enslavement and colonialism? Not only is there a cloak of secrecy surrounding these atrocities - sometimes these acts / the perpetrators are almost glorified (see Mao, who is still revered as a HERO)! Nobody says many words about the Vietnam War, the war in Afghanistan, the Gulf Wars, the war in korea or other cruel butchers like Idi Amin... so why always point at the Germans? Of course, the crimes of the Nazi regime were monstrous - but as I said, we are not the only ones who bear a great deal of guilt! And btw: Hitler was Austrian! If he had stayed in his home country, the world might be pointing the finger at Austria today!

@erleben-gf6iy

14 күн бұрын

Well said! Same opinion here! Especially Americans pointing to us, the biggest warmongers in the world! Iam so tiered of the double standards. 🙈

@m.s.8927

14 күн бұрын

The idea of Austria, not being a(nother) german nation firstly came up in the 1950s. The Austrians were the first who wanted to unite Germany and always were either THE or one of the leading german countries. So it makes no sense to differentiate in the context of identity before the 1950s.

@zasou571

14 күн бұрын

​@@m.s.8927Hmmm... As far as I know, Austria was NOT part of the German Empire founded in 1871, but belonged to the multi-ethnic state of Austria-Hungary. Hitler invaded Austria in 1938 (which was cheered by the Austrians at the time) - so as far as modern history is concerned, Austria was in fact only part of Germany from 1938 to 1945... My statement that the world today would possibly point the finger at Austria instead of Germany if Hitler had not been naturalized referred to precisely this fact ^^ Whether and how the idea of National Socialism would have developed if naturalization had not taken place can only be pure speculation...

@zasou571

14 күн бұрын

​@@erleben-gf6iyYes, I'm thoroughly fed up with these double standards too! What makes me particularly sad is the fact that under such circumstances it will NEVER be possible to get rid of this stigma and share the planet with our neighbors and the whole world in peace and friendship, without the underlying hatred... Sometimes I think the world WANTS to hate us - for the very simple reason that it is the easiest way to come to terms with its own guilt! And why is it never talked about how often Germany has been attacked and had to defend itself throughout history? Why can't we live together in peace and harmony, respect each other and find the diversity of different cultures enriching? Because the world apparently needs a scapegoat - and this role is ascribed to Germany, without ifs and buts... It's convenient when you don't have to deal with your own past...

@chubbywombat7402

12 күн бұрын

Yes, Austria was not included in 1871 but it’s not like this was the only option. There also was the „Great Germany“ solution before the unification in 1871. Austria (or Austrians) was indeed considered to be „German“. It was already a thing during the failed revolution of 1848. Instead, they eventually chose the „Little Germany“ solution, of course because „reasons“. The rest is history, as they say. Still, the concept that Austrians are not German is a pretty modern (I.e. post-WW2) occurrence. And this is totally fine. After all, what does it mean to „be German“, anyway, with all those vastly different customs and dialects all over the county? After all this rich and different history and those many wars and internal conflicts over the centuries between the kingdoms, dukedoms, counties and free city states, I find it amazing that Germans found enough will and common ground to unite, eventually.

As a Pole I completely agree with you, Children are not responsible for what their parents did. We just need to remember not to follow the same path in the future.

@u.z.9383

10 күн бұрын

You are right on theory. But when I made a backpacking tour through Poland in 2004, I was shocked at how many people were almost startled when they saw me (maybe I should not have worn this damn helmet - kidding). There were still open wounds; you needed to be prepared for this as a German.

Not guilt, but a responsibility to avoid repeating the past under any circumstances.

@creativetraininghacks

15 күн бұрын

Exactly! 👍

@dansattah

15 күн бұрын

Which is exactly why Israel's offence in Palestine shouldn't be supported. Defending their boarders is necessary and should be supported, but the continuous decades long attacks on Palestine lead Netanyahu towards the same mindset and actions as Hitler.

@creativetraininghacks

15 күн бұрын

@@dansattah As much as I love Israel, I agree Netanyahu is a criminal and a villain. Fortunately, more and more Israeli think that, too.

@backspin123

15 күн бұрын

@@dansattah come on. this video is about germans. plus you could see it from the viewpoint of the jewish ppl (which germans kind of have a "duty" to do). If you have political/religious organisations like hamas that explicity say they want to destroy your state and to kill all jews that sounds a lot more like hitler and germans in the 1940s to me than Israel responding to the killing and kidnapping of innocent civillians.

@Llyd_ApDicta

15 күн бұрын

@@dansattah You understand, though, that this very comparison already completely invalidates your argument, right? The problem are those constant "0 or 1", "black and white", "good or evil" statement of "absolute truths" . Netanyahu is NOT Hitler but still a right wing nationalist and likely a war criminal. We need to get away from those bar and sports club polemics and start differentiating and understand the issues. The problems here are - as usual - Religion and Nationalism.

When I was an exchange student in the US in the 80s I was surprised about American patriotism. I thought if you behaved like that in Germany you‘d be called a nazi …

@Winslow273

14 күн бұрын

As an American, the word "Patriotism", which many folks want to say about me, makes me uncomfortable. Anyone that says "I'm a patriot" is too clever by half, as they say. True 'patriots' don't ever need or want to say it, as the looneys have claimed and twisted the word and I am not sure it can be rehabilitated.

@Dies_Das_Ananas

13 күн бұрын

@@Winslow273 could you eleborate on the phrase "to clever by half" or rephrase it with other words? i have heard that one before.

@sandrakarls8466

13 күн бұрын

@@Winslow273 I´m German an was 2022 for the first time in my life in America ! Everywhere was the flags to be seen and I was impressed! "That is normality in America" . Nowaday in Germany it is frowned upon, to hang out a German flag! Every neighbour can bring you to put it down because it is "Disturbing" for him! This is sad!

@thiloreichelt4199

12 күн бұрын

@@Dies_Das_Ananas "too clever by half" refers to a person showing off their intelligence in an annoying way. That person may even be clever in fact, but not clever enough to see that showing off is not a good move at that point.

@lynnm6413

12 күн бұрын

Definitely the mandatory pledge of allegiance to the Stars and Stripes was a shocker for me….all that was missing was a shouted 88…

How can you tell that I like Nick and his channel so much? I don't skip the VPN ads!

@nikcrosina

15 күн бұрын

I do. Even though i like the channel. Skip them as long as you still can. I am 100% certain, they will find a way of making them unskipable soon. :)

@peter_meyer

14 күн бұрын

Advocating for data protection on a Google platform with a data collection program is something...

I was born in Germany, both grandfathers were drafted into the second war as German soldiers. One ended up as a prisoner in Russia, one secretly cooperated with the Norwegian resistance and deserted near the end, fleeing on his own. None of them talked much about that time. As far as I know they weren't involved in any war crimes. I never held them responsible for what they were forced to do (take part in an unjust war). I don't feel guilty but I feel very much responsible for preventing that something like this happens again. And it worries me a lot that there is a party calling for a turnaround in remembrance culture. Now I am also reminded that I wanted to go to Mauthausen.

I admire Germany and how they have taken decisive steps and actions to publicly remember, repair and atone for the horrific destruction of the Holocaust with a worthy goal of it never happening again. As an American, I think we could learn a few things from Germany's post-war actions toward repairing their society and taking preventative steps from any type of terrible discrimination happening against a group of people again. This was not fully done in the U.S. after the abolition of slavery in 1865 and so we have a long legacy of very active, intentional racism that has not been repaired or prevented. While some groups facing historic racism in the U.S. have received official apologies and monetary reparations, the worst human atrocity that directly included millions of people, slavery, has yet to be publicly dealt with collectively in the U.S. It may actually be too late now.

@kadsenvieh

10 күн бұрын

well and now they let Islamic extremists protest in Hamburg and do nothing about it. they want to kill jews and we do nothing. Even worse - the left thinks they have to stand by their side. this ist just crazy because they dont tolerate women, gay ppl, queer ppl and so on. so naturally the left shouldnt walk and pray with them. I Dont get it

As a German of your parent's generation, I have to say that you explained the topic well and drew, I think, the right conclusions from it. My parents were 6 and 8 years old respectively at the end of the war. Some of my grandparents were Nazis (and convinced that they were right even years later). I have grown up with the idea of Kollektivschuld and the idea that even basic partiotism is bad for a German. To even mention good contributions of Germans/Germany was very much frowned upon. Since moving to the US in 1995 I have been amazed with the amount of patriotism (good), nationalism (meh), and chauvinism (bad) displayed here. Germans and the German culture in the US are reduced to either the war or Bavaria. On the other hand, travelling to european countries in my youth, we have experienced hatred there desoite the fact that non of us were of an age to actively having participated in the atrocities and the war. When travelling to France last year, we again met French people who would only say haeteful thing about Germans (my American wife could not believe it). As long as Germans consider themselves collectively guilty and other nations populations perpetuate the hatred, this will not change. Maybe other people's experiences are different, but this is my story.

@lynnm6413

12 күн бұрын

It‘s getting better with the younger generations, even in France. I spent a summer working in a French racing horse and pony club and then went on a short trip with all the apprentices up north to the coast, … The grandfather of my friend showed up, and she had already told me I was going to play English, as I somehow managed to have an English accent in my French, but then he was unkind to her and she introduced my as her German friend…. …he took three steps back, spat at my feet, asked her if she really thought we ‚could be friends now?‘, turned around and left. We had planned on visiting her grandma, but then she said it would only create problems to do so That was in 2000

@gunwu9084

11 күн бұрын

But did they say hateful things about Germans bc of WW2 or bc they are unhappy with German EU politics? Exactly, it will not change as long as other nations populations perpetuate the hatred (and spread it for instance here on YT, which I have discovered lately, that lots of Polish ppl do that in particular). I don't think that will change bc they declared already they wanna plunder Germany completely and ruin us forever or/and put us and our children forever in force larbor camps.

I mostly agree. I´m German. I was born in the late 50s . I had the luck to be born in relatively peaceful times. My parents survived this horrible periode ( my father as a war prisoner in USA Colorado Springs). I learned a lot about the 30s NAZI and all that in school. My parents didn´t speak a lot of their experiences like many of this generation, sure: they wanted to forget about it(.I think they were not guilty but they participatet. Otherwise they would have been killed). So it was necessary to teach the children what had happened. But especially in the 60s some groups overact. Since then this feeling of selfguiltyness has established in Germany to such an extend, that many people are not comfortable for example with a triumph in sport or raising the german flag etc... I think : to protect us for a repetition we have to keep in mind our past. But not so much that we finally hate ourselves, but so much that we see our selves as we are: just people either good nor worse than our parents.

Well thought out and presented. I am an American living in Austria and have been confronted with similar - if not equal - comments and opinions. Thanks for putting things into perspective.

Hi Nalf. Thank you for this video and the offer to reflect on this again! I experienced the same just a few days ago about people from Japan. Let me tell you first that I’m a German, studying in Dublin rn and I was asked for a short interview on a park bench by a Japanese KZreadr (TOYA JAPAN) a month ago. His aim is to get the perspective from foreigners on Japan in these modern times. When the video was uploaded a few days ago I translated the japanese comments into german and got a little insight into their style of communication and also their self-perception. This exactly was my thought, that it is just sad, when people of a nation are thankful or surprised for different reasons that the perspective of a foreigner on this country is yet so positive. Yes, our history is dark and we’ll have to live with it and educate people and us to build and hold awareness every day, but what did our countries achieve since then!!! Celebrate it, protect it and protect international bonds in any kind! 💪❤ All the best!

What a good video, bravo! I, a 61 year old German, also love your more light-hearted videos, but you are on top form when it comes to history or more profound thoughts. And indeed, I feel exactly as you describe: Comprehensibly positive observations about my country and its people from a "neutral outsider" make me happy. I think a common trait among us Germans is to see things in a negative light; things are always better elsewhere. Sometimes it's good to be held up to the mirror. On the question of collective guilt: I don't think it's really an issue in Germany these days anymore. But I am very concerned to see how nationalists are gaining popularity in many countries, how freedom of the press is being increasingly restricted and the separation of powers is being eroded. These are all alarm signals and so many people don't seem to take them seriously. If we don't actively fight for democracy, we will lose it sooner than we think.

History is told by the victors. Lest not forget that most of the countries that were occupied by Germany in WW2 had factions actively assisting realising the holocaust.

Hello, You've touched on a subject where there are as many opinions as there are listeners. It is courageous of you to address this topic, as there are always people who hold one opinion or another so vehemently that it can turn into hatred of you and the topic itself. Especially here in Germany. I was born in the early 70s and I know the "guilt" that was passed on to the younger generation at that time. Old teachers from the 50's or 60's, according to my mother, who was born in the last years of the war, left this topic out. It wasn't talked about at the time. Probably because teachers and politicians, who were responsible for the school curriculum, were far too involved in the subject. Then came the '68 student revolts, a young generation who rebelled against this attitude and brought about change. At the same time, new teachers and politicians came in to replace the old "war generation". And this marked the beginning of the "reappraisal" of dark/recent history. And as is so often the case when something is made new, it is often exaggerated. We really were fed the guilt of war and the Holocaust with our mother's milk and woe betide anyone who criticized it. It was only with time that people questioned and this questioning was tolerated: "What can I do about it? It's been 40/50 years." However, the question was never answered, but justified with: "It is your legacy that this never happens again!". I even had the feeling at times (in the 80s/90s) that if the Central Council of Jews or the Central Council of Muslims voiced just a little criticism of German politics, all politicians would immediately grovel and look for solutions. Then there was the film industry, especially Hollywood. Everything that had to be portrayed as "evil" in films wore black leather or black uniforms and the flags in the films always had a similar design to the flags of the Third Reich at the time. (As an example, I'll just mention the films in the "Star Wars" saga) And that was not an isolated case, everything that was evil wore black, was blonde and spoke with a German accent. For myself, I accepted the "legacy". Later even without feeling guilty! But what I don't understand is the denial of the Holocaust, which also exists. And which is on the increase these days. And countries that suffered under the German regime at the time, such as Poland, the Netherlands and many other European countries, are now experiencing a shift to the right in their politics. Not least the USA itself, which is as divided with its bipartisan policy as it was last in 1861. For me, a slogan like "America first" is comparable to the first words of the German national anthem at the time of the National Socialists: "Germany, Germany above all!" (Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt...") It seems to be in the nature of mankind that it always repeats itself. I wish for the world that all nations would address their "dark chapters", come to terms with them and pass them on to the next generation in exactly the same way as Germany has done it.

Thank you for taking on this subject, well done!

No guilt for me. Only a really strong interest in "how could this happen here in Germany with people like my grandparents living here" and the feeling of responsibility for the future - which makes the current political situation with the rise of the right wings quite unbearable for me. I'm a Vorstand of an arts club with 200 years of tradition. Quite late to our 200th founding day last year we looked deeply into our history during 3rd Reich - knowing that if we do not do it now who else will ever do it. Times fly by and we are the last one to know personally people who were alive during that time. Our Vereins history was somehow "trivial". We immediately got rid of the jewish Vorstände, we got rid of the jewish members - like it was nothing. Nazis entered our Vorstand, our work went on like nothing had changed. Former members were rehomed, they were deported, they were murdered, they vanished. And we organized art exhibitions. We decided to spend a Stolperstein for every murdered member, every year one until every murdered member is remembered. Every year from now on we will have therefore a public rememberance of our guilt - the Verein has this guilt, it was active during this time. No, we, the active Vorstand have no guilt personally. But we have the responsibility to find a way in acknowledging the guilt of the Verein. And to remember our members we failed horribly.

Iv'e been following you for years. And this kinda made me think. I knew from the get go this is a sound lad. I have, as someone who studied history and philosophy at some point, come across so many points, where this issue arose and it was always kinda difficult to explain the issue. Some were surprised about the acknowledgement especially people from outside of europe and some kinda tried to persuade me we should leave it all in the past and i kept thinking 'why is this so difficult to get into their heads?'. Now i could simply link to this video and see my pov been well explained from a non-German pov that has enough inside to properly do it. Keep on the great work.

Much respect, Nalf, for taking on this topic. Well done! I'm a German who loves his nation, but I don't close my eyes on what has happened in those years and what is going on now

Love your balanced approach to your videos and presenting different viewpoints!

always very interesting to see things from your perspective as an expat... And I admire you havin‘ the guts to talk about this topic at this time with all of us struggling with the currant crisis in the Middle East. Thanks!

Alles gut, Nalf. I taught German and international history and a big part was the Third Reich and WW 2. Interesting enough my own attitude towards our " common guilt " and that of my students over a span of FORTY years of teaching about that subject changed. And astoundingly enough so did the attitude of foreign friends and family - I am married to a Maltese - changed, too. Yes, the 1960s/70s were tough for somebody born after the war. I was rejected by Brirish Danish Dutch and French for being German or at least reminded more or less politely about what my parents and grandparents did - who didn't even come from the Reich but had lived for centuries in the then Czechoslovakia. And now?? I made sure that my students knew they were NOT GUILTY but had to carry the responsibility that something like the Holocaust NEVER happens AGAIN on German soil. I hold my head as high as any other human being . And I am not proud but HAPPY to have the good fortune of being German ! 🖤❤🧡

@shahlabadel8628

15 күн бұрын

feel free to be proud too! Germans are the best people that I have encountered with.

@irminschembri8263

15 күн бұрын

@@shahlabadel8628 Thanks Shahla :) but I can only be proud of something I achieved myself.

@shahlabadel8628

15 күн бұрын

good point!!

@brownhatknight3473

14 күн бұрын

As a native German (Alemanne to be corect), I can say that most Germans don´t understand history. Ask a German what the word "deutsche" means- most of them have no answer. Who knows that Saxons and Franks were religious movements? Nowbody!

@irminschembri8263

14 күн бұрын

@@shahlabadel8628 :)

German woman here, born 1968. Well the problem is these days, that the eye witnesses of this time are vanishing and there is hardly no one left to address and ask about WWII and the Holocaust. The war generation hardly ever talked about the war and many were traumatised. Only in the past 10 something years, thanks to the internet, telling the story has become known and used for education. I went to school in Germany and I experienced exactly what Mittermeier said. We had a "subject called guilt"- but no one to address or ask. It would've been so much easier to understand, if we could've talked to an eye witness. Or our parents/grandparents.

@Quotenwagnerianer

14 күн бұрын

Good observation. I'm also don't share the optimism of people who say "We (as in Germans or even Europeans) have learned our lessons and it will not repeat itself." Not in our livetime no, not as long as the generations that perpetrated it and suffered through it are still alive. And also not as long as their chilrden are alive. But as soon as those are all gone and the great-great-grandchildren are the only ones left, I'm quite sure that things like this can and will happen again.

With the "Balance" you got the point. Good video! Thanks

Thanks for this vid. Much obliged. 🙏🏼

Germans of current day should not feel shame anymore. Out of any country they have owned up to their past country’s wrongs. I feel nothing but respect for them and they actually have taught us a lot. We love you Germany. Be proud of yourself and your place in the world x we need you x

Great spiel - kudos As Austrian we always heard - in reality the reason of the horror is the fact that Hitler was born and raised in Austria - therefore the Austrians are savages and the really guilty one. Sometime it hurts me a lot, when I try to do a honest conversation and all what I get is: Oh yes, the Austrians - you know Hitler comes from your country. When I write I am from Austria the Hitler „joke“ comes along. Nobody knows anything about my country, but that for sure. By the way - the school education in Austria is similar to Germany - and in my youth born after WW2 we were trained to be guilty. So I am always aware of never again and that’s the good thing.

@m.s.8927

14 күн бұрын

Es macht keinen Sinn, zwischen Österreich und Deutschland in Sachen Identität vor den 1950ern zu differenzieren. Genauso verhält es sich mit der kollektiven Schuld jener die an Gräueln beteiligt waren und der verständlichen Scham derer, in deren Namen dies geschehen ist.

Good job, Nick!! Thank you for sharing your opinion. The line between responsibility and guilt is thin and the shame that generations later feel is still difficult to bear.

I'm german and I think we have a great country for multiple reasons. In many ways I think Germany is a very special place BECAUSE of its burden. We are thoughtful here, we want to do things better. I'm not guilty for holocaust crimes but I can carry the historic burden and responsability with pride. Yes, I am proud Germany has the backbone to face its flaws.

Thanks for telling this story. I consistently have to explain this to my friends and family in America and while I was educated on this from my teachers/professors while studying German language in college and high school, I would say that was more an exception than the rule.

Excellent video, greetings from Miami! 🙋‍♂

This video was so well done.

Thank you for this great video ❤

Hi Nalf, I´m resident in Germany for the past 12 years and a German citizen, although I am British by birth. Both my grandfathers were British soldiers and fought against the Germans in WW2. Neither could understand why the German public had willingly let itself be hijacked by a demagogue, or why such horrors were perpetrated. Neither understood the nuances of German culture that perhaps predisposed it towards such horror and manipulation as did that of Japan. After the war neither visited Germany again. However, they never hated Germany, nor the German people after the war, and understood that the country was willing to be rebuilt in an entirely different way. And there lies the crux of the issue. The generation of Germans who were adults during and after the war had to shoulder guilt and admit responsibility. Many were reluctant to do so, and many flat out lied about it. Many were in positions of public prominence. They are now fading from living memory. It was not really until the 1980-90´s that this generation started to retire from Public life. Following generations lived in a far better Germany with a better mindset, better material conditions and an increasing sense of historical responsibility. But time doesn´t evaporate immediately. My grandfathers were heroes to me as British wartime soldiers. Almost no German of my age will admit to such a feeling for their grandfathers. Responsibility of remembering a terrible past has replaced directly implicated guilt. In my opinion, Germans in general handle it as best they can. Interestingly, and for different reasons, no such culture exists in Japan.

@ironixde

10 күн бұрын

It's too sad, the UK was hijacked by some demagogue who told them to leave the EU. And I also have the feeling that we live in a time where those creeps seem to come out of their dark holes again. Every country seems to have them nowadays.

Great video, I agree with most of what you said and appreciate it

I´m 46 now. Seeing countless dead bodies being pushed into holes by bulldozers and learning about all the other cruelties at the age of 15/16 in school - at least for me - was a bit much. It was hard for me to understand, how anyone on the planet could have come to that point and at that age I obviously didn´t wanted to be filled with guilt/responsibility. So for sure, I can relate to people saying what you´re showing in this piece. On some point in my life, I was there too. On my first time I left the country with school to the UK, we were called Nazis by some other 17years olds natives in Hastings. It took years, decades to dive deeper into all these topics, watching hundreds of documentaries (because I wanted to know, because of my own curiosity, not a teacher putting that into five hours of history lessons at a time I wasn´t ready) to barely understand what happened, how it happened, how manipulation works, how easy it can be reproduced with todays media. It really needs sooo much more information about social behaviour, psychology to get an understanding. That also means to put things into perspective, understanding no matter how unique and perverted that event was, the mechanis that lead to that moment in history were used before and are still being used today and are not unique happening to germans only once in history. My biggest fear is, that people around the world keep thinking that they are immune and it could not happen again. While I it is happening right in front of them: In Hungary, Poland, Netherlands, France, Italy and also Germany. While Humanity is facing the biggest ecologic/financial/economic crisis created all by themselves, knowing that we cannot go on like we did the last 80 years (at least not killing each other most of the time was good but not enough), people start thinking that they are better on their own in nationlist constructs looking for easy answers to avoid changing anything or questioning themselves, they instead start questioning democracy. Exactly the opposite would be required, to combine our forces and strenghts while the solutions are already on the table. We don´t have to wait for some invention, we could start right now, we could have done so decades ago.

Thank you very much for this video!

I wish my father was alive to listen to this video. He was a child living in Germany during WWII. It really affected him, psychologically, his entire life. He had a chip on his shoulder about how Germans were treated and I truly believe this was because he felt so guilty and bad about what had happened during the war. Thank you for making this video in such a balanced, objective way. As you said, we all need to be responsible so that does not happen anywhere again.

I am German, 55 years old. I never felt that we were constantly blamed for what happened back then (except once in Italy, where I was called a Nazi by other children when I was 10 years old. But hey, that's kids). And at school we weren't constantly confronted with the Nazi era. I have the feeling that some people are very sensitive or exaggerate a lot. I'm not guilty, but I have a great responsibility to make sure that something like that doesn't happen again. Responsibility is the most important word for me here. And I'm honored to be able to contribute something within my scope. And when you see how many people vote AFD here, it should be clear to everyone that there is still a lot to be done. As far as I know, Germany is the only country apart from Rwanda that has managed to come to terms with this. I am proud of that.

@deichhund

14 күн бұрын

Being called a Nazi by Italians is not without a certain irony. Where did the fascists come from?

@YvonneHoerde

14 күн бұрын

Well.. Compared to my son at school ( I am. 52), the whole thing was much more present. I mean, we read "When Hitler stole the pink rabbit" and "The diary of Anne Frank" in German, history always ended with the 3rd reich, we hardly learnt anything afterwards, I had to teach myself about the Vietnam war, the Korea crisis. the facts that in the end led to the German division, the history of German terrorist groups in the West, the APO (außerparlamentarische Bewegung), the economic miracle and why it was NOT a miracle, the history of socialism in the GDR, in short, everything that was after WWII, Nowadays, the kids read other books at school . My kids go to a comprehensive school, I went to a German gymnasium. They do not have history lesson but a subject that puts history, politics and geography together called "Gesellschaftslehre), where they even learn something basic about economic models. And German education never was uniform, I grew up in North Rhine Westphalia which is probably different to Bavaria or other counties (Bundesländer) . What the German education helps me to spot, though, are very clear signs for totalitarian regimes and totalitarian propaganda. You get more sceptic about people offering easy solutions for complex problems. So, learning so much especially how all the stuff came into being and about methods of propaganda for totalitarian regimes does have it advantages, and I think that most Germans in my age group have learnt more there than most other people....

@320iSTWEdition

14 күн бұрын

@@YvonneHoerde I agree. I'm 47 and i went to a "Realschule"in Baden-Württemberg (southwest county of Germany) and in FIVE years i hardly ever learnt ANYTHING much about any other historical events but WW2. We cut into the american history for a few days or weeks, we learnt about the years after WW2 ended, the "Wirtschaftswunderjahre" in the 50's and then after that we went to how the DDR was setup and handled its day to day business. But after all of that it was back to WW2 in Germany. Vietnam, Cuba Crisis and so many other topics from this worlds rich history just completely went by us. I often went through my history book to check out the other topics in it but we hardly ever got to them, IF at all...... most of my knowledge today i have from tv...... Yes, we need to know about what happened and more importantly HOW it came about, but it is not a uniquely german problem or issue...... it can happen everywhere like the 80's movie "The Wave" which we watched in school to get how germans just went into this war craze and it was showing this very clearly. But i do see enough people reducing todays germans to "Nazis" when they are about to lose an argument or just want to rip into you for no apparent reason..... and i fear this stigma will cripple this country for several more generations to come in many areas of our daily lives..... We can never, MUST never forget, what happened. But we cannot and must not be made feeling guilty for what happened because the responsibility for not letting this happen ever again lies with every educated person on this planet!

@D0MiN0ChAn

14 күн бұрын

I think it might also have to do with what kind of school you went to and their curriculum. Gymnasiums put a lot more emphasis on unpacking Nazi atrocities during the Holocaust all throughout the Oberstufe. My brother who went to a Hauptschule, on the other hand, never heard all too much about the Nazis (except the most obvious things, of course).

Thank you for your great content, love your videos!

Great video!greetings from Finland

This is a hard topic and you managed it respectfully. First, I think it is important that every kid at school learns about our horrible past. I hope that other countries teach their kids the same about their countries past, even if it is several hundred years back. It is important that these things never happen again anywhere in the world. However, when you mentioned that we all should make sure that this never happens again, I think it is important to understand what is happening in the US right now and that this November can create a big shift in the wrong direction. With that said, it should be the Americans, including myself making sure this will not happen in our own country.

Hello Nalf, very good video! I felt that burden of guilt, when I was younger. Nowadays I tend to not feel guilty, but, especially in these days, but responsible to let this NEVER EVER happen again. It was very disturbing for me when I went through the photos of my mother after her passing and find that foto I have never seen before. My grandad (I never met him, he died before I was born) in a SA Uniform. I know that the other granddad was in the SA too. This photo did really scare me. So I know now that both my granddads were Nazis. Is this my guilt? No!

BRAVO ! - Gutes und objektives Video. - Sonnige Grüsse aus der Schweiz .

Deep insight. Thank you

To share my perspective on this topic coming from a german guy. I think a big part of the reason why this outsider's view of guilt on germans is this persistant is also because in other countries the history lessons especially about WW2 are as it seems often cut short or just have been really trivialized to make it all shorter, leaving a lot of small key details out. Also I feel like other people from other countries, especially america often have this imagine of the big bad evil germany from back then when they praise their own country so much.... It sometimes feels incredibly unfair because looking back at american history there are also a ton of moments that americans should really not be proud of yet some have the audacity to blame other people way more than themselfes for their cruel actions. To mention a few, atomic bombing of japan, vietnam war, iraq war (and some of those are much more recent than WW2). Also the soviet union or soviet russia holds a yearly "parade" in memory but also praise in winning the war back then when they also committed unthinkable attrocities during the war with human experiments and siberian labour camps where thousands died in slavery. I don't mention these cruelties to blame anyone, I am just trying to create awareness that EVERY war participant back then committed crimes against humanity and some countries even kept doing it way after WW2 as a matter of fact. Personally when I look at that big picture I feel way less guilty especially as a young german that never even had anything to do with all that. I just think it would be important to teach history with ALL aspects in mind and not only skip throught most of it or even praise your own country because it won some war 80 years ago. Again we must never forget the past so this can never happen again but this does not only apply to germany, this applies to all other countries that EVER fought wars and committed attrocities on this EARTH!

i feel that history may not repetie / but it has echos we should listen for

Thanks! You nailed it!

Hi Nalf, I'd like to add my two (Euro-)cents as well, even though most of it has already been covered by other comments. German born 1980. I wholeheartedly reject any notion of guilt being imposed on us (like Mittermeier claims in his set). We are simply intensely taught about a very important chapter of human history. We aren't taught guilt - we are taught responsibility, and we uphold it. I was glad to hear you say that you think the responsibility is on everyone, not just Germans. That is my view too - the responsibility for 'never again' emerges from knowledge, not from nationality. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

As a German, I'm all for the sentiment that the Holocaust isn't my fault, but it our collective responsibility as humans to prevent a repeat. And as germans we have to be frontrunners there, because we have the "collective memory" of how something like that could happen. Not because we're guilty, but because we are in the unique position to keep the memory of how the holocaust came to be. So I think it's extremely important to keep talking about that in school a lot, so everyone knows the symptoms. And I can't stand all those germans who try to paint themselves as victims here because people remember the holocaust. Especially since they usually tend to politically align with people who ARE the symptoms of a repeat.

Bravo Nalf. Well put. The German collective guilt is appreciated by the citizens of the world, and their efforts to ensure the horrors of the Germans in WW2 never happen again are beautifully articulated. As the son of a Japanese mother, who was in a young woman living in Japan during that war, I have been shown her version of Kollektivschuld. I appreciate your video and agree with the Pros and Cons of German collective guilt, and the current generations' perspectives too. Thank you for addressing such an important and difficult subject. Bravo!

Thank you for being honest and the way you talked about. You definetly nailed it. Greetings from Leipzig!

Thanks Nalf - I like you, your family and your videos :-) I was born in 1964 and during the seventies in school I think I spent the last 2 years of the school curriculum on this topic nonstop. I was literally traumatized by what we did - at one point we got to see a film about the liberation of the concentration camps, there was no music, no narrator just pictures and our teacher said we could leave the classroom if we could not bear what we got to see and I actually could not finish and left the room. Nothing was ever the same anymore - I know I did not commit these horrendous atrocities nor my parents who were little babies at the time and who always taught us tolerance and an open mind - I have great parents :-) But I do actually feel this collective guilt and with it comes the responsibility to scream blue murder and speak up when thinks are moving in the same direction. We need to keep the memory up of what human beings can inflict upon one another and I feel other countries should follow this example. We are living in scary times - whenever a politicians message is limited to they do this and that..... fascism is on the rise. Beware the beginnings!!!

German, born in 1960, family on the father's side lost everything (German Nationals who lived in {then} Yugoslavia, were kicked out without any compensation). No hard feelings here. Growing up (politically) in the 70ies; "WILLY WAEHLEN" Vote for Willy (Brandt), which leads me to my first criticism: Our then chancellor Willy Brandt went to the Warsaw ghetto, knelt at the memorial accepting the historic responsibility. He fought the Nazis underground, had to leave Germany for Norway, continued fighting the Nazis, assisted people to get out of Nazi Germany, was hunted by the Nazis... so here was the guy who had no guilt whatsoever but took ownership for our whole nation with a simple but powerful gesture at the place of (some of the) most horrendous crimes. You did not mention this at all. Second: Germany today is paranoid when it comes to Israel. And I understand why. Anything one says against the Jewish state will immediately be considered anti-Semitic and Germany is still terrified of being viewed that way. BUT: What the Netanyahu government is doing right now is nothing short of what the Nazis did to the Jews. And we as Germans have the responsibility to call it for what it is: the attempt of genocide on the Palestinian people. It is an intolerable shame that official German policies places any critique on the atrocities committed by Israel upon Palestinian civilians under penalty. If we had really (as in REALLY) learned from our dark history, then we would speak out wherever and whenever it happens and not offer a card blanche to the Jewish people because of our guilt, not to Trump because of our big brother, not to Mohammad bin Salman because of oil and not to Putin because of gas. Germany, grow some balls.

Well said 👍

Great Video! I agree with your conclusion. Its necessary to strike a balance between remembering and not sending people on a guilt trip. Responsibility and Awareness instead of guilt. Grüße aus Tübingen!

Very good video! 👍🏼 Oversimplified, everybody needs to watch out.

Due to the war in Ukraine, there was recently a survey among young Germans as to whether they would defend their country in the event of a war. And the result was that hardly anyone would be willed to do so. I think that has to do with the way we talk about ourselves and that society doesn't allow us to be proud of our country. Humility is good, but sometimes I think we overdo it with criticizing ourselves and it starts to hurt us. Especially if other countries use this to their advantage. After the US we are the largest donor to the UN. After the US we are the biggest supporter of Ukraine. We are the largest contributor to the EU. We provide a lot of development aid in many countries. We spend a lot of money to save the climate (while the economy goes down). We take in a lot of refugees (and don't send them back, if they get criminal). But no matter what we do it feels like it's never enough. Our reputation abroad feels worse than ever. Sometimes I get the feeling that other countries make us the scapegoat for various problems, because they know that no German politician would oppose it. Manchmal fühlt es sich wie antrainierte Schuld an.

@lynnm6413

12 күн бұрын

Great analysis….if you point the finger at Germany, you don‘t have to deal with your own country‘s questionable ethics

@matthiasewert3587

12 күн бұрын

Außerdem, sollte man sich mal anschauen,was die usa Interessen in ukraine sind,seit mehr als 10 Jahren,us Firmen besitzen massig Land dort z.B. maydan Hintergründe usw.

@gunwu9084

11 күн бұрын

Was werden die erst sagen, wenn sie hören, dass manche Polen verlangen, dass Deutsche sie und die Balten gefälligst gegen Russland verteidigen sollen? Während dieselben der Meinung sind, D müsse ihnen 1 Trillion Euro in Reparationen zahlen - also gemäß einer Rechnung, die sie selbst aufgestellt haben und die keiner gegengerechnet hat - was unseren kompletten Ruin bedeuten würde. Es wird auch abwertend und hasserfüllt von diesen Leuten sich über uns geäußert gegenüber Briten/Amerikanern, es wird geredet, als seien wir wie Kriegsgefangene zu behandeln. Es wird versucht, unsere Alliierten (mit Westdeutschland waren die ja seit Kriegsende verbündet, mit Polen erst seit 1999) gegen uns aufzuhetzen. Ein Kommentator schrieb sogar von seinen feuchten Träumen, die Alliierten hätten auch Polen eine Besatzungszone geben müssen etc. Als hätte der Krieg gerade erst gestern geendet... Lt. ihm gehörten wir immer noch unter Besatzung, wobei Polen natürlich beteiligt werden soll. Einer schlug vor, der Westen sollte uns den Russen "zurückgeben". Von einem Amerikaner, den ich 20! Jahre lang kannte, wurde mir gesagt, wenn Trump an die Macht kommt, wird er Deutschland sanktionieren, wenn wir den Polen das Geld nicht zahlen. Des Weiteren meinte er, danach müsste unser Land vollkommen vernichtet werden, da wir kein Recht haben, weiter zu existieren wg. dem Holocaust. - Solche Ansichten kommen ja nicht von ungefähr, da wird schon einiges an Propaganda in der Richtung laufen....

@olsonskywalker8215

10 күн бұрын

Die meisten der Umfragen zu diesem Thema sind reiner Müll (mit Schwankungen zwischen 10 - 30 % - Yougov, Focus etc.)

@Crodilco

8 күн бұрын

Kann deinen Gedankengang verstehen, sehe aber nur populistische Argumente. In deiner Aufzählung darfst du als erstes nicht vergessen, dass wir nicht gerade eine kleine Volkswirtschaft sind. Wir geben der Ukraine sehr viel Unterstützung - aber gerade die militärische kommt ja unseren eigenen Rüstungsbetrieben wieder zugute. Wir geben viele Kredite ins Ausland für Aufbauten - das sind aber Kredite, keine Schenkungen. Wir nehmen viele Flüchtlinge auf, gleichzeitig verlieren wir trd. jedes Jahr 200k an Erwerbstätigen (oder so ähnlich, Zahl gerade nicht parat). Aus der EU Kriegen wir natürlich auch wieder mehr als genug Geld zurück, das ignoriert nur mal wieder jeder. Das, was wir gegen den Klimawandel gerade tun, ist zu wenig und zu spät. China baut unglaublich viel mehr erneuerbare zu - nicht aus Nächstenliebe, sondern um die Zukunftsmärkte, die wir aufgegeben haben, zu bespielen.

I have such admiration for Germany. The fact that they apologised for their actions to the victims, they they have opened up former concentration camps that people can visit and see that these were a reality, shows great maturity. Many countries could learn from Germany, as far as owning up to their past and not trying to sugarcoat it. I don't think Germans have to carry the guilt at all, but like all of us, dedicate ourselves to never forget. What happened under the Nazis could happen anywhere. We humans have a great ability to engage in tribalism and demonise the "other". I am visiting Germany from Australia for the 3rd time in July. I am full of admiration for the Germans and their beautiful country.

@YvonneHoerde

14 күн бұрын

Do not admire us too much. We still deal with our colonial past...

I am a child of the Holucaust, as I lost members of my family and I was born in a Displaced Person's camp in Italy. Well done.

@user-bk4us9vv8t

12 күн бұрын

Noah made a holocaust after leaving the arc. Whats your point?

I can agree with your assessment and would add: 1. Guilt and shame are very damaging to the collective soul of Germany and Austria today, like would be for any people. 2. The winners write history and many war crimes around the world and also by the Allies were never reviewed in the same way the Nazi crimes were, e.g. Uygur concentration camps or North Korean slaves in China, WW2 Bombing of Dresden, Napalm use in Vietnam... 3. The question / lession of "What would you have done in a regime and time like that?" gets way too little attention. Most people will follow any totalitarian trend as history shows again and again, and it's understandable even. People are afraid of punishment, they have families, they might believe in the propaganda even and hope for a better life. Just don't think you would for sure be the hero rescuing the jews or other victims, you would most likely be the camp guard. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but realistic. It takes a lot of introspection to digest these points and actually become someone who could resist propaganda and peer pressure to take part in these kind of crimes. Stay free and critical, civil DISobedience is so important. Some of the most evil actions in history came with good intentions or at least packing and were supported by the vast majority, this is timeless. Look at our world today and you may see many patterns on repeat.

Thank you for the well thought out video. My personal take is along the lines of many other commenters here: I do not know anyone who believes modern day Germans are guilty of the Holocaust. This really just isn't a thing. It is more like responsibility. Then there is this kind of fossilized "never again" attitude that to me sounds very hollow when the people using it utterly fail first time a European country invades another one again like we saw with Russia's aggression in Ukraine. It was a large part of the "never again" crowd that did not want to help Ukraine in any way which is a very sad irony. This kind of thinking is very popular among the self proclaimed pacifists in Germany who argue with German guilt towards Russia (which is real and true) but are happy to throw countries that suffered even more from Germany (AND from Russia) like Poland, the Baltics or Ukraine under the bus for this fleeting feeling of moral superiority of saying "never again". Another very important aspect is that in my perception, the generation of my kids will have a totally different approach to the remembrance of the Holocaust and German crimes. They are the first generation to really grow up without eyewitnesses (even in the form of grandparents remembering being bombed out in German cities). So their approach is notably getting much more relaxed and loses the kind of gravitas that the topic surrounded my generation born in the 1970s. On top of that, millions of children of non German immigrants will inevitably change the way this is being remembered. If a third of the current children enrolled in German schools don't even have one German great grandparent theoretically being responsible for German war crimes, things will automatically get more emotionally detached. Now I don't know whether of of this is good or bad. It's just how it is. German children born in the 21st century will inevitably have a different perspective on what happened. I remember being yelled at for speaking German as an exchange student in the 1990s in the UK or a mumbling old Dane hissing at us when he heard we were speaking German on holiday in Denmark in the 80s. All of this "immediateness" is now gone. You can go to the Netherlands and no one will bat an eye for hearing you speak German which was massively different just 40 years ago. Some things take time to heal. This "normalization" of Germany and German history has its advantages and disadvantages. I think a lot of what you rightly criticize is already changing, also a new feeling of positivity towards Germany is emerging in younger people. I'm hesitant to call it patriotism because I am a child of the 70s, but it certainly is there, a feeling of being somewhat proud of the country and what it has become in the past 80 years despite all of its weaknesses and problems.

Imagine you are living in a small town and everybody knows the horrible things your father or grandfather has done to the members of that community. That feeling is what we are talking about. It's not guilt, it's not taking responsibility, it is shame. Not feeling it would make you shameless. it's uncomfortable, It's unfair, it doesn't help, it's probably even harmful, but I still think it is the proper emotional reaction to immorality and indecency of this scale.

great video again: thank you: i have been watching your videos now for a long time and i enjoy how well you research and how balanced you report: you have become a real culture attache: for germany and for the us: that is wonderfull to watch: i was an exchange student in texas at the beginning of the 80 with AFS and i remember tha we were seen as culture attaches: so you are a wonderfull example of this: thank you: one thing still missing: a good video of german fussball begeisterung: maybe you can get some good stuff during the euorpean champoinship: or if you want i can invite you to eintracht frankfurt stadium to see some real fans :-))). all the best

When my wife and I took a cruise down the Rhine River we learned about the Stumbling Stones. Being of Jewish ancestry and no doubt having lost family members, it was an emotional experience beyond what I expected it to be. However, I also worked in Germany in 1982 and felt perfectly comfortable.

Thanks. I have practically no family history because they were murdered but my grandparents escaped from the Russian Empire (today's Poland and Ukraine) long before the wars. I visited Berlin in 2000 and I admit that part of me was afraid. Friends with me did not understand that I was both appalled and pleased when I saw police around synagogues. I found Germany and Germans to be delightful. Now, on to the meat of the matter. We Usonians have yet to truly apologize for what happened to our native nations. We barely acknowledge it. Were my grandparents here during the worst of the atrocities? No, not by a long shot. Do I feel we could do better as a society in addressing the issue? Yes. Do I have a similar feeling about the descendants of the Africans brought here in the slave trade? Yes. So I admire Germany in trying to educate its citizens. We also have the effort of Australia in making a formal apology to its native population. These are starts but we in the USA seem not to want to talk about any of it. One matter you did not address is that you were talking about West Germany (to use an old term). I have gathered that East Germany swept all discussions under the rug. Have you noticed any difference between the people from the two sides of the country?

@lonespokesperson7254

11 күн бұрын

I think many people, after 34 years, even FORGET that there were once 2 Germanys. In my opinion, even West Germany is GONE and has been replaced with something that I don't recognize anymore.

Me: Gen X, German living in the US. I have hated the subject when it came up in school. Several times it was presented and discussed. I never appreciated or even understood it. Why am I supposed to be anything because of what some old people did? ... Until I got older and started to understand. Guilt is the wrong word and it just translates wrong. You said "Burden" and I think that would be the right translation. The actual question is not "did I do that?", the question is "Would I do that if the situation comes up?" and that changes the whole issue a lot. How you treat people who are different than you or who come from another place. How you behave. If you forgive,... etc. I am now glad I had this education I so much rejected at that time. I believe every country has its own burden but the common denominator is fanaticism of any kind. The moment when you become so obsessed about a person/ideology that you give up free will and follow. You can't even see/understand that you do that. That happens in Russia, in Muslim countries, in Germany, in France, in Spain, in China and in the US. And that is the moment when a dictator can arise and use this to plant themself. I don't care or mind what other people call us or my old country. I have been called "Nazi" many times. Somebody even raised the hand to a Hitler salute to me while I sat in a Chinese buffet for Lunch. What I mind is the portrait of Germans in American TV/Movies. The bad guy is fine.... we were the bad guy for a long time, but the stupid, slightly effeminate character who does not understand anything with this weird Albert Einstein accent. Last: Hitler became a comic character. Movies made fun of him or the whole time is exaggerated. Nazis are the supervillain. That makes people feel like they never existed and put them on the same plain as a bond villein. That is dangerous. That did exist. It was horrible enough that it does not need to be exaggerated or made fun of. Give it another 200 years or so.

PS: Once again a good video to a complicated subject, NALF !

Thank you ❤ I'm German and I agree with you that upholding human rights is everyone's responsibility, no matter where they have been born. I've never considered standing up for human rights a burden but a privilege. That's the sad thing about a lot of social justice culture since a long time that many participants in it intuitively use authoritarian manipulative methods to try to reach their goals (by those means they won't be successful). That's the thing that can happen to everyone and does happen to most of us - that we think we can force our own and other people's happiness. And a lot of social justice activists make it seem like it's forbidden to have fun, to celebrate life, to enjoy every good thing you encounter in life. When this is the very essence that we need to uphold so that no authoritarian minded people can persuade us to ever trade our lives' happiness for pride, brutality, ignorance, self-centeredness and vanity. Or two confuse happiness with stuff like that. Human lives will always see hardships and our planet is not always a safe, conducive place, even with human rights and us looking out for our planet. But without them, without solidarity, humanism, democracy and environmentalism, everything will be much harsher than it needs to be. While authoritarianism and unprovoked violence won't make anything better but just even less bearable. So I'd rather bear the "burden" of upholding human rights than chasing the carrot that authoritarianism tangles in front of your nose any time 😉

I am a Canadian and I agree with most of what you say.

Großartiges Video, danke dafür.

Great video, presenting the most important points. I think that it’s more constructive to look at this from a perspective of responsibility instead of guilt. That can help combine advantages of the valid arguments in your ‘for’ column with the ones against.

Very nice video! Greetings from Cologne!

@Leschsmasher

10 күн бұрын

Dummer Propagandamüll

I was born an American in 1943, just barely old enough to remember "Jim Crow" segregation, the internment of Japanese American citizens during World War 2, and certainly cognizant of how American Indians have been treated since white men landed on American to be soil hundreds of years ago. I do believe German schools do a better job of relating their history, than do our American schools about our dark history. My late German wife, who was born in 1939, certainly was well aware of Germany's Nazi past, having been educated in those years right after the War.

The part about us Germans being so happy about foreigners praising something German stems less from guilt about the past, it's rather because 1. the majority of stereotypes about us being negative (and/or connotated with Nazi Germany), like us being unfunny, rude or inhospitable. Our language is always portrayed as a harsh horrible screamed violatio, our food is only meat & beer and Bavaria is all of Germany (when in reality it's the least best representation). Germany also isn't a vacation destination 2. praise from objective sources means more. There's this German arrogance/obsession about always wanting to be the best, and make the best of any thing. Therefore we crave outside validation that we're achieving that.

@jbp246

15 күн бұрын

I think it's also because Germans like to complain, so we constantly hear people lamenting about how awful everything is here (other Germans, nothing to do with the war). That's why it's so surprising when we hear foreigners say something positive about our country 😂

@dreamingflurry2729

14 күн бұрын

You mean because Bavaria is the best German Bundesland/Federal State to live in? Yeah, most others are simply worse of (we once took money from the Länderfinanzausgleich, but now we are the biggest contributor! Frankly you guys in the other states should ask yourself what you have been doing WRONG!)

@m.s.8927

14 күн бұрын

Das ist das Bild was wir Deutschen von uns selbst haben. Die deutsche Küche ist international eine der beliebtesten, die deutsche Sprache erfreut sich auch internationaler Beliebtheit. Deutschland ist auch ein beliebtes Urlaubsziel oder wird es zumindest immer mehr. Selbst die ehemaligen klassischen „Feinde“ haben im Schnitt ein besseres Bild von unserem Land als wir selbst. Das einzige was seit Jahren international unseren Ruf schädigt(vor allem in Asien/Afrika/Südamerika), ist die Überheblichkeit, mit der wir meinen, politisch das richtige für die ganze Welt zu tun. Das habe ich zumindest auf meinen Reisen um die ganze Welt so wahrgenommen.

@m.s.8927

14 күн бұрын

@@dreamingflurry2729Wenn die Bayern nicht so überheblich wären, wäre es auch für mich das beste Bundesland. Immerhin haben sie ihre/unsere Kultur noch am ehesten bewahrt.

omg i love your vid and dont know how to be short. i will try. 1. i love how u structured it. 2. everything u say is true (to my mind) and i think everyone gets it, no matter if german, us american or from somewhere else. 3. the guilt is something that bothers so many people in germany; nice how you summon it up, i was born over thirty yrs after the end of ww II, i often tried to hide my gernan nationality and visiting concentration camps traumatised me deeply as i am hypersensitive. 4. it's so damn important to mention that this can happen everywhere, in every nation and all over the world and that its not the weird germans but a psychological thingy, that can take place under certain circumstances everywhere. its maybe the most important point and im so grateful for you mentioning it. but one thing i want to know, as you said indirectly is 5. i can find 100 vids in a sec on yt concerning german guilt and nazi stuff but when i try to look for vids like the u.s. about the genocide of (on?) native americans, its like yt offers a lot of different stuff but not this. dont you guys dare? i have like no knowledge about it and want to learn but its really hard to find stuff. are youtubers like: omg americans will hate me if i do that? or didnt i look into it enough. i wish there was more stuff about it. when i (with german directness) tell americans who comment on "germany fucked it all up" what about the history of the u.s.a. i never get a reply lol. this is my latest try. lets see ;P 6.liked and subscribed, all the best for you and your beloved ones.

As a German born many decades after the war I feel my blood boiling at the supposed "Cons" of our collective guilt, since that is theoretical BS. It has not held us back the least little bit. It does not impede on our ability to be on an equal footing internationally, as can be seen daily, and can be seen over the last half century at the very least. Germany is thriving, we are not being held back by acknowledging that Germany messed up big time, and that it is every German's responsibility that something like that will never happen again. Unfortuantely there are plenty of idiots that would prefer to not be reminded and seem to hanker back to those days, which is unforgivable! To my mind, more nations should acknowledge the atrocities commited by themselves in the past, be it what Americans and their government did (and sometimes continue to do) to the native population, to African enslaved people, or what colonialist Britain did to India and many many maaaaany other countries, acknowledging and feeling *actual* guilt about it and the responsibilty that comes with it would dampen the dangerous, atavistic partiotism and nationalism and undeserved pride that is at the root of so many hate crime problems, not to mention wars.

A great video! I myself was born in 1988, my paternal grandparents were children in the war and talked sporadically about that time, my grandmother lost her father two weeks before the end of the war and she avoided the subject. When I was a child, my grandmother's neighbor, who was over 90 years old, talked a lot about the war, he had the beginnings of dementia and often sat in my grandparents' kitchen (I lived there for two years as a child) and started talking about things, he was literally consumed by guilt, sometimes my grandmother wasn't quick enough to shoo me out of the kitchen and I heard horrible things about the war that a child shouldn't hear. After the Second World War there was an iron wall of silence, my parents' generation (born in 1953 and 1955) experienced it that way, nobody wanted to talk about the war. I don't feel any direct guilt, I can't help what my ancestors did, but we have a duty to prevent something so cruel from happening again. That's why I'm very worried about the current political situation with the shift to the right and the fact that denying the Holocaust is socially acceptable again in some circles, even though it's a criminal offense, and that some people are openly discussing about remigration etc. - that's something I'm deeply ashamed of!

@kadsenvieh

10 күн бұрын

the so called right that you are afraid of is just conservative. if you call them nazis in your head you trivializes everything you describe in your comment. you are full of left wing propaganda. I am from east germany and lived in a dictatorship and i see that people like nancy faeser are the same as the people who ruled the DDR. so be aware who you want to follow.

Bravo for taking on this difficult subject. It shows that you are a very clever man. German guilt has a high significance in the German identity. But we must not forget the period of English colonial rule, the American slave era, the guilt of the Serbs during the Kosovo war... etc. I wish every country was aware of its past. And learns from it.

Thank you very much! I am amazed by the development of your youtube personality. From Sunnyboy and Sportsman to a real thinker and analyst. You should get a position at a university in the field of philosophy. You would do good!

Thank you for your thoughts

I know you are from America, and will not have the insight (yet) but try and contrast the approach the Germans take of their past as opposed to the British and their empire. You will see that what I find a balanced approach of the Germans is almost the complete opposite of the British approach, where the Empire is (still) hailed as 'the best thing since sliced bread', a 'gift to the world' for whcih the world better be thankful for. There is literally nothing of the working through the past with an open heart and mind about what you will find and taking responsibility for it. And as for America, look at the period just after the 2nd world war, the amount of brain drained (as well as actual physical economic drain) that was performed on all the WW2 losers (ie Germany in the main, but also Austria and others) was staggering. Whole factories were packed up and transported to the USA, many many scientists of the Naxies, hitlers rocket scientist, etc etc were all 'deported' to the US to kick start American science programs. I would venture as far as saying that America would definitely not be where it is now, economical, culturally without the 2nd world war. This is not to accuse any nation or blaming any nation, but just as pointers in directins that you might want to explore to deepen understandings of world history. America is also currently in a period (together with the rest of the world, I guess) where political propaganda is rife and dangerous to the point where as an American inside America, there is literally no way of finding out REALLY what is going in China, what is REALLY going oin Europe, due to the control media (as well as the internet) has on the people on the street.

@swissneutro2648

15 күн бұрын

Good comment. I would like to add the question of where Hitler got the loans for the rearmament. He got it from the Anglo-Saxons; USA UK. They always had their eye on Germany. Germany was a leader in technology, and the research spoke German! The USA, with its infinite capacities, was the profiteer and became a great power. After the war, Germany was stabilized by the USA and rebuilt on credit. But this was not done out of love for the Germans. The Soviet Union was the reason for this. Germany never regained its sovereignty. All the media are transatlantic, and Germany's policies, especially its geopolitics, are dictated from outside.

My grandfather was a Wehrmacht Captain. I remember that he always told heroic tales about the war. After I grew up I read about the atrocities Germans did in Poland, Russia and other countries. Did he take part in mass murder ? Did he burn villages to the ground? I ll never know, because he never took responsibility, he never told about these bad things... he liked hitler though, even after the war...And he was in the BND, which was also founded by a nazi. Why could he get into this intelligence agency. Why was it possible after the war? I m not guilty of his actions, but I'm responsible for the state of my country, for democracy and freedom. I think all countries should remember also their bad actions. But I m not american, I m not russian... so I firstly care about german history. I like some german things like the food, the dialects, the old history and the language. But I also hate things 20 percent for a far right party, bureaucracy, sometimes living in the past... For me patriotism is holding my country responsible for its actions.

Hi there, I watch your content regularly but never comment, but now I will. Yes, I am on the same side with the view that "I am not responsible for the horrible things that have happened, but I have the duty to make sure this will never happen again". I am proud of my country, a lot of good stuff has happened here, but also a lot of bad ... horrible stuff. I will always be aware of it, but enjoy my country and welcome any friend coming here.

I have the impression that it gets better