Watch this before buying a Sony STR-DH190 - Warning... fatal design flaw

This unit was mfg in late 2021.
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  • @MarkWilliams-ix1qf
    @MarkWilliams-ix1qf5 ай бұрын

    I found virtually the same fault in a cheap, broken Sony DH190. Due to a drop, probably, two traces near the standby power transformer were cracked, but in a slightly different location than in yours. I bridged them with wire and fixed? the receiver. The defect showed under the painted stripe and was obvious visually and tactiley. I could see a raised line under the white paint, and felt a ridge there. The crack went to the edge of the board. I used solid wire to overlay the broken traces. It's a cheap product made to fill a slot at the bottom of the Sony line, so they cut every cost they could and this is how it shows up. The weight of the transformer will always tend to crack the board when dropped. There are many ways to add bracing and support to reduce the likelihood. This is a really clean, simple design that is easy to work on and I like it, but it won't take physical abuse like being dropped due to the weak main PCB. So don't drop it. I dd not pay much for this because it was not working, and it cost me nothing but time to fix. So overall, very satisfying. This is a mature product, about three years old at this time, and I suspect Sony will not update it. They will release its replacement instead, and probably in the next six months. That has been their pattern, a 2-3 year new product life for consumer audio products. [Edit: OOPS, I found another two major board cracks! These were next to the two larger caps, again probably due to a sharp drop. These breaks were on the positive power trace, so I used solder braid to overlay it and voila! she is working fine. The cause of these faults is impact damage, but the real cause is that the main board is simply too weak for supporting the heavier components mounted on it in this real world where drops are inevitable in shipping. The heaviest components are the standby power transformer and the two 6600MFmain filter caps. The PC traces were broken adjacent to these components. I believe the PC board is paper epoxy, not fiberglass epoxy, and it is quite thin. This material is very cheap, and holes can be punched in it rather than drilled, so manufactured bare board cost is low. It's typically used in consumer products, never seen it in computer or industrial products. If you have one of these broken, visually inspect the bottom of the board carefully for broken traces.]

  • @damako7072
    @damako70729 ай бұрын

    I own one, and it's been nothing but fabulous for the last two years. For the price point, it's amazing. Don't listen to some "Jimmy" blowing smoke.

  • @1138paul
    @1138paul Жыл бұрын

    I bought one of these receivers in an auction, that wasn't working. And it had this exact problem. Thanks for the video. I now have a working DH190.

  • @itswamba2060
    @itswamba2060 Жыл бұрын

    I actually have this model and have had no issues whatsoever. Of course, I haven't dropped it either. I have a pair of Wharfedale EVO 4.2s and a pair of Linton Heritage hooked up to it. Sounds great and works fine. Your mileage may vary...

  • @rythmandblooze8937

    @rythmandblooze8937

    7 ай бұрын

    Do you know how to set the "timer" off ? Mine shuts down every 20 minutes or so ...

  • @bassistdc
    @bassistdc Жыл бұрын

    I bought one in June 2023. It works fine.

  • @nitamorrison8341
    @nitamorrison8341Ай бұрын

    Thanks so much! Taking it to a repair shop (I only hope repairing it isn't too expensive). I have two just like it that are great. no problems.

  • @NoMoneyG
    @NoMoneyG Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this! I was debating on this today & I see how many are on eBay for that reason. Wow!

  • @cantpassthebar
    @cantpassthebar Жыл бұрын

    Great consumer advice. Appreciate the video!

  • @carlosmacmartin4205
    @carlosmacmartin42055 ай бұрын

    I bought 2. One in 2020 and the other in 2022. Both work fine with no issues.

  • @LBCAndrew
    @LBCAndrew Жыл бұрын

    It's not a design flaw. It's just that the idiot who sold it to you dropped it. I can't imagine the height it would take to drop a board and break it like that. On the flip side, a few months ago i found a Harman Kardon AVR354 7.1 receiver parked on a dumpster, so of course i grabbed it to see what was wrong with it. Had no power when i plugged it in, so i checked the fuse on the power board and it was blown. Replaced it and it works perfectly. Score.

  • @danallan4860
    @danallan48607 ай бұрын

    Excellent discovery.

  • @filmic1
    @filmic1 Жыл бұрын

    I just bought one and all the functions are working. This is April 2023. Wow. I hope this quality control error was rectified by the time I bought mine. (it does ''pop' when I power up.) Regardless, I'll be careful not to knock it abour. Thanks.

  • @AudioElectronicsChicago
    @AudioElectronicsChicago Жыл бұрын

    I had one and it was working fine, the built in bluetooth is a big plus, sound wise - it is entry level

  • @kappandrew1

    @kappandrew1

    Жыл бұрын

    Don’t drop it! Lol. The one I had was awesome! Sad I let it go…

  • @bigd835
    @bigd835 Жыл бұрын

    a very good job of troubleshooting. I understand your point but must ask, what other brands are built any stronger ? I would bet they are all very similiar. i have bought electronics and had them UPS'ed to my home. outside of box is perfect yet guts of item are broken. no idea how much abuse the item you bought took, but it obviously took a pretty good hit. to me, not a deal breaker for an item that wil spend its life sitting on a table.

  • @TechCrazy
    @TechCrazy Жыл бұрын

    I just got one and have the same problem. But I am not sure I want to go through all this as I am within the return period. At the same time I am also conflicted as it will probably end up in a land fill if I return it.

  • @frankdawsonjr
    @frankdawsonjr Жыл бұрын

    a friend just gave me a sony str-dh540, which works great..hope it was designed a little better..

  • @kirill_gusev
    @kirill_gusev Жыл бұрын

    After watching it I decided to try my luck and bought one off ebay. No power. CAme dented and the transformer's contacts torn off the board. Soldered and now it powering on and switching inputs on display. No BT pairing (mostly a reason for purchase besides testing my luck haha) , no FM.. And not turning off - goes to StandBy and then returns to On... Oh well... I'm done with experiments I guess. Thank you for you video though. It felt good when it powered on haha.

  • @user-od2fp9nm1h
    @user-od2fp9nm1h9 ай бұрын

    Glad you didn't lose $40 dollars for gosh sakes! It probably fell off a truck or was stolen. I have one of these I gave $150 for and it's been worth every penny. I use it in a bedroom for a simple two channel system. I hooked up two Polk OWM3s mounted high on the wall routed with line outputs through a Polk PSW10 subwoofer. A great Bang for the Buck system. I had an old Technics direct drive turntable and a Philips DVD player to round it out.

  • @CindyAnderson-ug4lt
    @CindyAnderson-ug4lt3 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately, it’s March 2024 and the display flaw remains an issue. I neglected to set it up right away so I’m outside the 30 day return window on Amazon and now have to fight to return it. I guess I shouldn’t rely so much on the Sony name.

  • @lorneh8642
    @lorneh86423 ай бұрын

    Because of your vide I bought a new, inop, open box unit off ebay. My problem was an open a bad standby transformer. I paid more for the Transformer than I did the unit.

  • @kappandrew1

    @kappandrew1

    3 ай бұрын

    So you got it up and working? I have one sitting in my death pile right now. I was going to give it a go on attempting a repair. If one could figure out a quick repair for these, there’s lots of money to be made!

  • @adamant3844
    @adamant3844 Жыл бұрын

    Had one and sold it. Had no issues for my purposes. However, I never could get the Bluetooth to work.

  • @savanaviolenta
    @savanaviolenta Жыл бұрын

    Already bought one and its amazing so far,almost don't switch it off.

  • @ChillToMusic87
    @ChillToMusic8710 ай бұрын

    Hello. What number microfarads are the main power filter capacitors please?

  • @kappandrew1

    @kappandrew1

    9 ай бұрын

    I’d suggest looking up the mfg spec sheet

  • @ChrisCeeKayKelley
    @ChrisCeeKayKelley5 ай бұрын

    Since uploading this a year ago , do you know if anyone from Sony has gotten word of this, or if any revisions have been made in the newly manufactured versions?

  • @kaybhee6
    @kaybhee67 ай бұрын

    good

  • @bob11712
    @bob1171211 ай бұрын

    Great video, actually this is a very similar failure that I had to deal with on my 80s Sony TC-D5, which is (supposed to be) a rugged take-anywhere field recorder - the board snapped right at the transformer. Had to run a jumper for that. I guess Sony has a bit of a "If it's broke, don't fix it" mentality. As a side note, I do use one of these receivers and it has bulletproof so far, still sad to see corners being cut by such a revered brand - even for such an inexpensive unit.

  • @richardwhite2344
    @richardwhite2344 Жыл бұрын

    How can a High Quality audio company like Sony let this model out of the factory with this serious issue? In my opinion, and I may be mistaken, but I have had a few Sony audio products and I honestly don't think the Sony of today is no where near as good as Sony in the 70's and maybe the 80's. I bought a brand new Sony Cassette Deck in 1998, and I was very disappointed with the sound quality when you record, and it had a very cheap feel to it, so I took it back to the store.

  • @kappandrew1

    @kappandrew1

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree… I love Sony. These units in working condition sound freaking awesome! But, cost cutting and bad design can lead to things like this. Maybe this was just an oversight. But… they have been building circuit boards so long, you’d think they know that support would be needed under that transformer.

  • @carlyonbay45
    @carlyonbay45 Жыл бұрын

    CAN-tinuity with the Sodder 🤷🏻‍♂️ what language are you speaking ?

  • @bob11712

    @bob11712

    11 ай бұрын

    Lol Brit get out

  • @ChillToMusic87

    @ChillToMusic87

    11 ай бұрын

    He is speaking complete and utter soddery 😂

  • @paulc9564
    @paulc95649 ай бұрын

    I used to work on electronics assemblies for fighter jets; they are built to survive high-G environments (thus their exorbitant cost). Modern smart phones are, to a lesser extent. Home audio components aren't, so it seems harsh (based on one teardown) to declare drop-induced damage a "design flaw."

  • @svtcontour
    @svtcontour19 күн бұрын

    Umm really ? Its literally a dirt cheap product with excellent sound and your only issue is that if someone tosses it hard on the ground, that it may break? Well why dont we take 10 different receivers and drop them. I bet something will break on each in one way or other.

  • @kappandrew1

    @kappandrew1

    19 күн бұрын

    Not correct, go out in the marketplaces and look for “parts repair” modern receivers. This one comes to the top of the list. It’s a design flaw… look into one and compare it to others and you’ll find all sorts of corners were cut… and, it sounds “acceptable”, not excellent… get out of Best Buy and go to an audio shop…

  • @svtcontour

    @svtcontour

    19 күн бұрын

    @@kappandrew1 Sure, it may be more succeptible to drops, but my point is its still a drop and trust me, if it was an issue of it bouncing around in its properly packed box, there would be thousands being returned when taken home and found doa and I bet its not like that. Also went on FB marketplace, set the search circle as broad as could go and I'm not finding in the listing a single one of these listed as parts of dead.

  • @vinylexplorer9817
    @vinylexplorer9817 Жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure why this receiver got a lot of praise... it sounds horrible even when is working properly LOL

  • @steveneric2298

    @steveneric2298

    Жыл бұрын

    You sound horrible even when working properly 😂

  • @johnny1980ns

    @johnny1980ns

    Жыл бұрын

    If this sounds horrible I can't wait until I get a good amp! Have any recommendations?

  • @johnmc3862

    @johnmc3862

    Жыл бұрын

    Rubbish.

  • @LBCAndrew

    @LBCAndrew

    Жыл бұрын

    You're clueless. Here is a blind test between this $100 Sony and a $1,100 NAD C 368 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZaGs18OIY7fWoNY.html That channel has videos comparing it to Cambridge Audio, Denon, Marantz.... and they sound nearly identical.

  • @ChillToMusic87

    @ChillToMusic87

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​@@johnny1980nsDenon PMA-600NE or Yamaha AS-301, AS-501.

  • @NoName-zi9qs
    @NoName-zi9qs Жыл бұрын

    Riiiight. A team of Sony engineers... probably the top in the hi-fi industry, and you are going to say this is a design flaw. HAHAHA!

  • @bob11712

    @bob11712

    11 ай бұрын

    No you're right, a tech giant would never cut corners on a budget unit.

  • @theplinkerslodge6361

    @theplinkerslodge6361

    2 ай бұрын

    The Sony MBA's know how many of these units will fail due to harsh handling during shipping and get it to a point the savings on a thin circuit board outweigh by far the cost of warranty and reputation damage. It's unquestionable science.