Was the End of Breaking Bad Even Good?

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When I finally finished Breaking Bad and was considering starting this KZread channel I figured I should make a video elaborating on my issues with the show at some point. Well... Here is that video. My main criticism is that a lot of the developments in the final season appear to lack a clear point.
00:00 Introduction
02:05 The End
06:39 Revelation
17:15 Morality
23:41 Jesse
29:54 Conclusion

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  • @cancerouscorndog6425
    @cancerouscorndog642522 күн бұрын

    Disagree with everything you said here, but still the fact you're able to so eloquently state you opinions is the best part of your videos

  • @jonsullivan1749

    @jonsullivan1749

    22 күн бұрын

    this is the exact reaction I had. it's nice to hear someone actually explain why they think 'well-liked thing bad' in a way that is, if not convincing to me personally, at least a very valid and well-rounded argument.

  • @lostcauselancer333
    @lostcauselancer33322 күн бұрын

    I feel like the show is more about revealing Walt’s darkness instead of moral decline. I completely buy that he did it for himself and his pride. If he cared about his family, he would have taken $ from his old millionaire friend who offered him $.

  • @twocanplay7976

    @twocanplay7976

    22 күн бұрын

    My thoughts exactly.

  • @IcyDiamond

    @IcyDiamond

    22 күн бұрын

    He wanted Walt to be a Anakin Skywalker, Harvey Dent, Asriel Dremurr, or Macbeth like character who starts out good and slowly get corrupted. Walt is really a Hal Stewart from Megamind, a bad person who constantly makes excuses for themselves on why what they do is justified and that the other people in their lives like Roxanne and Skylar just don’t get how sigma and epic they are. Even Vince who started the show thinking Walt was good later realized that Walt always had this evil in him, he just needed a little push to get there. That push was his cancer diagnosis.

  • @yggdrasil2
    @yggdrasil222 күн бұрын

    I think your rewrites are really interesting, but you miss a couple of important things imo: 1. That wasn't a small charity, that was a literally lifechanging opportunity that Walt turned down. Even if it was and he will lose in the longterm like you assume, why not accept it anyway? He has nothing to lose and he would if you believe he actually did start out doing this for hus family. 2. Todd and the gang are one-dimensional because they are not meant to be anything more than plot mechanics while simultaneously displaying just how desensitized Walt is to violence and crime at thia point. 3. In an interesting contrast to your thoughts on Jesse, Walt doesn't kill Mike because he posed a threat to him. He did it because Mike pissed him off in the moment, again showing how low he has sunk. 4. Your thoughts on Jesse make sense out of context because you completely neglect just how much shit he takes from the rest of the world. When he tries (yeah he never succeeds) to sell meth to recovering addicts, he only dies it because he has convinced himself that he is an emotionless psychopath. It's a coping mechanism he eventually gives up on. 5. There are countless hints of Walt not really changing as a person but instead just actualizing himself in the most explosive way possible. The mention of two molecules with the same base elements yet two completely separate abilities is as close to spelling it out as it gets. 6. Yes, Walt loves his family...but he is willing to sacrifice what he loves in order to succeed. EDIT: No, no, no, no. Breaking Bad is not about the issues in the American Healthcare system. Any such show would not give the terminally ill main character a shortcut to treatment so early. Remember, by that point Walt already had a bad experience with making drugs, he had no reason to not agree to Elliot's deal.

  • @yggdrasil2
    @yggdrasil222 күн бұрын

    Everything wasn't fine when Walt quit the drug trade. He had killed tens of people by that point and Jesse was slowly deteriorating.

  • @lostcauselancer333
    @lostcauselancer33322 күн бұрын

    I had the same criticism about Gus the first time I watched, but I think Walt is the real villain of most of s5

  • @agustin12689

    @agustin12689

    22 күн бұрын

    Yeah, Walt should have been the next Gus. But we never got to see that.

  • @twocanplay7976

    @twocanplay7976

    22 күн бұрын

    Walt felt like the villain since season 1.

  • @lostcauselancer333

    @lostcauselancer333

    22 күн бұрын

    @@agustin12689 just because you shot Jesse James don’t make you Jesse James

  • @agustin12689

    @agustin12689

    22 күн бұрын

    @@lostcauselancer333 So Gus can be Jesse James after Killing Lalo but Walt can't be Jesse James after Killing Gus? Of course. I hate how this show treats Walt, he can never be the God he deserves to be.

  • @lostcauselancer333

    @lostcauselancer333

    22 күн бұрын

    @@agustin12689 I don’t like what BCS did to Gus, but Gus was more suited to a career in crime than Walt before and after killing Lalo.

  • @invisiblegrif42
    @invisiblegrif4222 күн бұрын

    I saw the ending a little differently. When you're talking about how you feel like the show isn't clear on what its about, to me it seems clear that it's about how Walter White is an arrogant selfish man and that's both the source of his success and downfall (he kept the book thinking he couldn't get caught despite also having given Hank the insight about the book before, he worked with Nazis and assumed there would be no repercussions, and the whole reason he started selling is because he was too good to take charity money and a job from his coworkers.) This is directly connected to his morality you were talking about. The show to me isn't showing him becoming a worse person but instead he's always been a bad person but was too scared to act on it until he thought he was dying anyways and thought he could get away with it. He didn't become worse but he stopped trying to hide who he was. You mentioned in this section that he really did do it all for his family but that's only a half-truth. He could have taken the Grey Matter job and he would have had his treatment covered and life insurance for his family plus he would have made more than he would as a tea her, but he saw it as charity and hated the people at Gray Matter but the only reason he hates them is because he feels like they're better than him because they come from money. Even outside of that his son's gofundme was helping with his treatment but he didn't like that either because again it was "charity" and not "earned" by him. He did it all "for his family" but he only wanted it to happen on his terms with him being the big strong man. I also really like Jesse but I can't defend that stance as much really he does do a lot of terrible stuff

  • @IcyDiamond
    @IcyDiamond21 күн бұрын

    I will say your worst point made here is most definitely that Walt did it for his family, if he had done it for his family, he would’ve swallowed his pride and agreed to Elliot & Gretchen’s job at their BILLION dollar company. The reason he didn’t is because he wanted to be the sole person who provides for his family. Because of the idea that the dad always has to provide for the family. He didn’t want his family to be saved by his old college friends, he wanted to save them himself. It’s the exact same reason he hates Flynn’s online charity, because then he’s not the one making money for his family. I’d argue during Felina he is doing it for the family since he’s finally gonna let Gretchen & Elliot take the credit for saving the family, even if it means he gets none of it. My overall point is that saying “The show is about how the American healthcare system fails people and makes them turn to a life of crime.” is such a bad take that completely misunderstands the show that it makes me question how much you actually paid attention to the show.

  • @cameronspalding9792
    @cameronspalding979216 күн бұрын

    @ 19:52 Walt let Jane partially because he didn’t want to lose Jessie, but also because he had no way of knowing that she would keep her promise that she would tell on him

  • @PrimmsHoodCinema
    @PrimmsHoodCinema19 күн бұрын

    Walt def should've taken a hit of crystal before he died lol. That would've been amazing

  • @Ugitron217
    @Ugitron21721 күн бұрын

    I'm sorry but I laughed out loud when you said that Skylar seemed content in her relationship in the first half of season five.. did we watch the same show?

  • @ThePanMan3000
    @ThePanMan300022 күн бұрын

    I understand your perspective, I've watched plenty of shows/movies hyped up and just not liked it and felt so strange that everyone else did. I think part of what has changed your experience is the fact you waited a number of years to watch s5 after s4. You had all those years to speculate and dream up/hype up the perfect ending, and if it was different to what you hoped its natural to find that disappointing. I watched BB for the first time over 1 year, after it all came out. To me s5 was a natural conclusion and peak to the series. Also one thing I'd like to add is - just because the writers struggled to make a decision, or made it last minute, doesn't make that decision "bad." Filmmaking is so volatile and things change constantly in production - what matters is if it all comes together in the end.

  • @johndellacontrada9947
    @johndellacontrada994722 күн бұрын

    I, like others, very much disagree with your analysis of the show. Very surprising to me what kind of details or interpretations you fixate on here. I think the main spot we disagree is your interpretation of Walt's character arc. The point is not Walt's moral decline. Walt is a sad, petty man, who has never amounted to his potential, who resents Hank for being more of a strong father figure to his son than he is, who resents Elliott and Gretchen for being more successful than he is. Walt is never a moral person. He is a prideful figure, who despite all the terrible things he's done, always convinces himself it's for a good reason. He deals drugs and murders people "for his family." He let's Jane die because he "knows" Jesse will be better off without dating a hopeless junkie. These are lies he tells himself, because he genuinely believes he's a good person. Season 5 is when Walter White discovers the truth. He's built his meth empire because he enjoys the power. He enjoys the excitement. Time and time again, we see ways that Walt could have made money for his family without resorting to criminal activity. Instead, he continues to put his family in active danger. He manipulates Skylar into becoming complicit in his crimes. He murders prisoners, needlessly kills Mike, and betrays Jesse. The villain of Season 5 isn't the nazis. It's Walt himself. Only at the very, very end, once he's lost everything, does Walt finally accept the truth. He did all this for himself. He's not a good person. He wanted to do this. He wanted the pride of being a big man who provides for his family. The ending wraps up loose ends, in which Walt comes back for one final showdown. He knows he's a villain, he doesn't care to pretend anymore, but maybe he can right some of these wrongs, and go out on his own terms. He never wanted to die alone in a shack, (or live a boring life with his family for that matter), he wants to die in the only way he's ever truly lived. I could go through every other point you raised, but I do think your dislike of the show stems mostly from this character arc. Me and you were looking for different things when watching the finale. It makes sense that a lot of other stuff will disappoint you if the main story isn't what you're looking for. All the Hank stuff especially. As for you not liking Jesse, I really don't know what to say. He's my favorite character, and I really relate to him. He's been beaten down at every turn. He's had high points and low points. In the end, he had nobody in his life who was really on his side, who believed in him. His relationship with drugs is complicated, because it's all he knows. The rehab arc is interesting, because although initially he's self-interested and is there only to sell meth to people he sees as hopeless (like himself), he realizes that there is hope in these people, especially Andrea, and maybe there's hope in himself. And that scares him. I could be misremembering, but I don't think he actually ends up getting anybody in rehab back on drugs (or tries that hard). For me, that whole plot point is more than forgivable for Jesse, but I guess I can't convince you to like someone who don't like. I see all of his remorseful actions as very genuine. The series ends on a hopeful note for him, which I think he deserves. I hope someday you come back to this show and enjoy it all the way through, but maybe not. The video itself was fine, although I did find some of the fanfiction-y rewrites a little hard to sit through, mostly because I felt they misunderstood the characters. I'm interested to see what you might think coming back to this video a few years from now, especially if you continue down this video essay / media analysis route. Which I hope you do!

  • @LivinNexus
    @LivinNexus19 күн бұрын

    Walt was in ABQ one last time to tie up loose ends. He was going to wipe out the Nazi gang after securing money for his son no matter what, but he learns that Jesse is alive and being held by them as well. I think, on some level, he went there to save Jesse too (or at least put him out of his misery). He had apologized to Skyler and owned up to his true self/intentions. Who else was left to apologize to? Jesse. And then he can have peace ✌🏽🕊️

  • @agustin12689
    @agustin1268922 күн бұрын

    I felt Walt never got to be at the top. It seems there were always another person above him. And we needed a "Golden age" of Walt being happy cooking and being in charge of everything so when he finally was defeated it would be more impactful.

  • @JimmyneutronwasokayIguess
    @JimmyneutronwasokayIguess22 күн бұрын

    A lot of excellent points made here but j have a big issue with your take on Jesse. You're right that he is a perpetrator but that doesn't mean he isn't also a victim. Jesses parents were awful yuppies with no empathy for their teen sons addiction and clearly didn't show him much love growing up. It's not unlikely that kids with even more tragic childhoods than Jesse's would end up in his shoes later in life and the guilt Jesse feels for his action is so overpowering that the only thing he knows how to do is sell more meth to buy more meth for himself. Which keeps him tracked in those cycles. It's not an uncommon story and Jesse's growth reflects the opposite of Walts intended arc of self destruction. As for the healthcare well, he could have paid his bills with the money from his old friends if it wasn't for his ego

  • @hippythehippo5515

    @hippythehippo5515

    17 күн бұрын

    This is not true. It is point blanked stated in the show that Jesse's parents gave him multiple chances, he took advantage of them every time. Jesse got to live in a nice neighborhood with opportunities a lot of people in this country do not have, he was just too lazy and stupid to use them. Jesse's failures lie on him, not his parents.

  • @JimmyneutronwasokayIguess

    @JimmyneutronwasokayIguess

    17 күн бұрын

    @@hippythehippo5515 Never said his failure lies on them but selling the dudes house? Nah and also trauma doesn't discriminate. Your nervous system can't tell between what is a more or less serious trauma.

  • @PrimmsHoodCinema
    @PrimmsHoodCinema19 күн бұрын

    I agree 100 percent about Jesse being annoying and Jack coming outta basically nowhere to be the final villain lol😂😂 I did like the Hank/Walt plot of S5 though

  • @spencerbricklord474
    @spencerbricklord47418 күн бұрын

    A few things really didn’t make sense - Walt revealing everything to Hank. Why would he do this? He has seen the way Hank was hunted for Hiesenberg over the past year. Therefore, this way, he can reveal his cards more, but point to Hank that he has no evidence Walt did it for his family. That's BS, ever since "Grey Matter." Wlat has been doing all of this for himself. At every turn, he should have gotten out if he really cared about his family. It isn't until the end that when he has lost, sure, he did it so his family would have the money, but the drug trade wasn't it. Walt's Pride. Walt's pride and ego are his biggest problem. He is too proud to accept charity, look at "Grey Matter," and he can't stand letting others take credit for Hiesenberg, when Hank thought Gale was Hiesenberg, Wlat was the one to tell him that no he wasn't, and leaving the book on the toilet shows that walt had left one thing unaccounted for as he thought he was too powerful to fall, and yet that was his undoing, the entire show just shows how horrible Walt's pride and ego are, and how they were akillies heel.

  • @Robert_Daniel
    @Robert_Daniel15 күн бұрын

    The show is ultimately a cautionary tale. If Walt had a happy ending, the show would 100% be glorifying drug trade manufacturers. Vince Gilligan understood this. The decision to have Walt die alone, and never have a true goodbye to his son was intentional. This show is about a sad man who wants revenge so he turns into a kingpin. At a certain point there was no going back for Walt, but that was his decision. While Walt was ultimately successful in the business, he still lost his family. And that’s Walt’s retribution.

  • @n1kolodian
    @n1kolodian21 күн бұрын

    I like your season 5 re-write. I think it would have been a lot more interesting and satisfying. The only thing I would add, would be Steve Gomez catching the story from Hank, maybe in the second to last episode; *Behind closed doors and to his wife, Hank isn't entirely buying Walt's story. Noticing holes and contradictions regarding the facts of a couple murders connected to Walt's escapades. Causing a drunken slip from Hank at a family BBQ, and Walt has to stop Hank from continuing the story. Everyone who knows the truth in the room immediately changes face a little, and the atmosphere of the party dulls down for a bit. Things liven back up pretty quick though, and Walt mostly just brushes it off, knowing that Hank is fearful of him. Then in the final episode, without Hank and Walt's knowledge, Steve Gomez, curious of Hanks words from the party, finds remnants of truth connected to the story, and struggles to decide if he should expose Hank and Walt.*

  • @cameronspalding9792
    @cameronspalding979216 күн бұрын

    @4:32 I think it was because Hank’s death meant there was no possibility that he could go back to his family, they hated him and wanted nothing more to do with him

  • @marsh_gl3605
    @marsh_gl360515 күн бұрын

    Everytime anyone recommends this show they always say "it gets better after the first season". And it always annoys me because S1 is literally the best.

  • @kcreviews8161

    @kcreviews8161

    15 күн бұрын

    I love it up to the end of Season 3. As a Brit I did find S1 a bit slow considering the fact the story only just starts getting started while it's one episode longer than a typical season of a British TV show. But by the standards of American TV shows where a typical season is often 10-25 episodes, I think the pacing is pretty normal

  • @MeganMikkelsen6037

    @MeganMikkelsen6037

    9 күн бұрын

    I liked when the show was more "small scale" and it was funnier in the early seasons.

  • @davidhowell5585
    @davidhowell558520 күн бұрын

    No. It's not bad. It's perfect

  • @isaacmiles804
    @isaacmiles80422 күн бұрын

    Commenting for engagement

  • @kingDowahs
    @kingDowahs19 күн бұрын

    Yes

  • @TheBlueArmageddon
    @TheBlueArmageddon23 сағат бұрын

    18:00 uhm, she also threatened him and was a wildcard that he could not trust... so yeh, it was easier to let her die

  • @PapaLuge
    @PapaLuge20 күн бұрын

    I honestly used to think the ending to BB was a little strange and kinda underwhelming but on reflection after rewtching it i've found so much more appreciation for how it rounds off the story, concludes characters arcs in a natural and progressive way, and gives that satisfaction and pathos by the final few scenes. Especially the scene with Skylar, seeing walt actually confess makes so much sense and is honestly imo one of the most satisfying moments of the show where he just accepts it and tells her the truth. Walt's entire character is drvien by ego from the start so to see him accept it and stop using his "family" as a scapegoat is a satisfying conclusion in the best way a character like that can be somewhat "redeemed".

  • @calilove5758
    @calilove575820 күн бұрын

    The ending of breaking bad was perfect. He went back and set up the money for his family.... freed jesse.... killed those nazis.... perfect ending

  • @calilove5758
    @calilove575820 күн бұрын

    Best series of all time

  • @rajakzz4341
    @rajakzz434119 күн бұрын

    yes next question

  • @StewieJustSaidThat
    @StewieJustSaidThat22 күн бұрын

    19:49 Walt himself is a criminal ( if not greater) if we look at things through that perspective. It's like if you killed your neighboor.

  • @notsteve1313
    @notsteve131322 күн бұрын

    I want to say I've seen several videos by you and In general consider you a pretty good analyst, but man this was a frustrating watch and I disagreed with almost everything you said. I fundamentally disgree that this show is about morality. It's about ego. Your critique of the "I did it for me" line is totally wrong, and you ignore the thesis of the whole show. If he cared about his family more than his ego he would have swallowed his pride and accepted the job at Grey Matter and had his family financially cared for, not put them in any danger and never needed to sell meth. He had an out in the text of the show, and he declined it because of his pride. He did it for him. He convinced himself it was for the good of his family, but he could have stopped at any point and taken help until he made that impossible. This to me is the thing that you most misunderstand about the show. The show explicitly says, "This is a show about a selfish man who endangered his entire family so he could feel important, and the lengths you can go to satisfy your own ego." And your read is "No it's not, it's actually about morality. About a decent into evil." Walt murders people in episode 2 of the entire show. It is not about a decent into evil if he is able to justify evil from the start. And you correctly state Walt always had a poor moral character, but you misdiagnosed this as a problem because you misdiagnosed the entire point of the show. Yes. The ending was good. Season 5B (after hank finds out) is a slow and steady decline of Walt's power, which is the most important thing in his life. He loses his money to a bunch of dumb nazis, he loses his family, his health, his friends and then finally his life. Then, he is left dying in a prison of his own making. He wanted his death to be meaningful, to be by the hand of his friend, that he betrayed over and over again. But his friend denys him that too. The slow, drawn out ending is a big climax in the sense that it is denying Walt the big climax that his ego so desperately wants. Walt's ego is destroyed, and he finally has to suffer for all the suffering he put others through. I'd also push back that at the start of Season 5B Skyler and Walt are happy. Skyler is sympathetic to him, but she is married to a murderous druglord who quite literally tried to rape her in her kitchen. He always viewed his family as a status symbol. And Skyler knows this and hates him, but wants to protect their kids from him. He makes his money exploiting addicts. The middle of Season 5 is a tragedy to almost every other character than Walt. Man, this whole thing was frustrating because it was like you were arguing that chicken noodle soup did a bad job being a chicken Caesar salad. You are judging it on criteria the show has no interest in

  • @phulatrox5296
    @phulatrox529616 күн бұрын

    Great video! 1) I also made a video on Breaking Bad's finale, I thought I was alone in this lmfaooo 2) Although my issues are mostly contained within the finale and I feel much better about the final season than you do, I still agree with a lot of your points. I never liked how Hank just randomly found the book without any proper cause-and-effect. 3) I totally agree with the consequences of Walt/Jesse's actions not being utilized enough. I found it odd that it never contributed much to Jesse's conclusion... being charitable, I guess Todd's/Walt's actions were the final straw that reminded him of the depravity of his actions, which was kickstarted by him seeing the family. But I still wish the consequences were not only more emphasized but also better integrated into Jesse's arc. 4) Strongly disagree with Walt doing it for his family. He cares for his family a lot, yes. He'd sacrifice a lot for his family. To some extent he'd possibly even give up his egoistic motives in favor of his family. But that's different from cooking meth for the sake of his family. In episode 5 he rejected a job offer that would've given him a high pay, more assurances (considering how risky and luck-based the drug trade is), and LESS DANGER to his family. Yet he instead opted for the career choice which put his family at risk, for the sake of his ego. In season 5 when he returned to the game he even explained to Jesse that he's in it for the "empire business". He didn't bring up his family's well-being. 5) The story Walt could've told to his family in Ozymandias is soooo much better than canon ugh. Most annoying feeling ever when I'm watching a show and I'm thinking that they should use certain points and say certain things but just... don't. Still love this episode though.

  • @kcreviews8161

    @kcreviews8161

    15 күн бұрын

    Hey thanks for the comments. Checked out your video and I liked the points you made so far. I'm half way through and left a comment. Thanks for your feedback here! A lot of people have mentioned him turning down the job at Gray Matter, which is admittedly something that I sort of overlooked because it happens so early on, but it is a good point to bring up and something I shouldn't have totally ignored in saying he did this for his family as if it was the only option

  • @shade08538
    @shade0853822 күн бұрын

    As someone who loves the ending of Breaking Bad, i decided to hear you out. And you’ve got some solid points my friend 👍 I would just like to illuminate a different perspective you may not have considered on things you felt were “undercooked” •For the point of Jack being a disappointing final villain: He’s just a set piece. Walter is the villain, thats why no new big villain is introduced, thats the whole point. Season 5 is how Walt by himself is tearing apart his family without some big threat to face. Jack isn’t so much of a character as he is the final physical manifestation of Heisenberg’s ripple effects. He’s a one-dimensional neo nazi gang banger who kills Hank, and the entire impact of that scene is that its a murderous force Walter called. For the first time, someone Walt cares about dies and he has no one to blame but himself. ___ ___ ___ •As for the book: Yes, Hank finding the book was unlucky, but the book being there at all, specifically in a place where you can easily reach it and read it while taking a shit, was because Walter PURPOSELY kept it around and in the open. This goes beyond ego, he genuinely has these selective fond memories of Gale when reading this book, having been able to nerd out with a fellow chemist and nonchalantly shrug at the guilt, because thats who he is. - Side Tangent ((( Walter White has this specific relationship with luck. Clearly the idea thematically spits in the face of this idea that he got everything he had through hard work, and not through some form of fate. If you have a problem with this, you should also have a problem with the Salamanca Twins showing up at Walter’s house while he’s conveniently taking a shower, while both Skylar and Jr are out, and while Mike was there to witness it as he JUST bugged Walter’s house. In any other show, this is contrived, but back then Walter was specifically portrayed as a pathetic man who was scraping by in a game bigger than he could even envision. The first half of Season 3 in general paints Walter as a pitiful manbaby, specifically around the time he stops cooking meth to try and win Skylar back. ))) There is specifically a shot in Walters house AFTER Gale’s death where he takes out the book, and he has this soft smile as he looks at it before placing it on the night table. He re-experiences fond memories shared with a man he ordered the murder of. Walter gets found out BECAUSE he’s an ignorant, horrible and negligent person. ___ ___ ___ •The idea that he did this for his family: Would he believable if he always had his families best interest in mind. What Walter was really looking for was this feeling of being alive. The moment it wasn’t about family anymore was during 1x5, “Grey Matter”, when he turned down Elliot’s offer for no reason other than, “it didn’t satisfy him”. And it’s after this rejection and proceeding family intervention that led to Walter accepting treatment that he LIED about having accepted Elliot’s offer, and the episode ends with him returning to Jesse to cook more meth. Go to the very next episode, and after he walks out of Tuco’s office having just bombed it, look at his reaction. He practically erupts in adrenaline. THATS the feeling he was looking for. He’s had this reckless ego driven thrill seeking attitude from the very start, he just couldn’t unleash it beforehand. It’s true, he loves his family, and he did a lot of what he did for his family. But it was ALSO an excuse. Both of these sentiments can be true. He clearly cares for his family and wants to provide, he just loved being a “siGmA BadAsS MeTh KinGpIn” a little bit more. While yes, there are various points where he gives up cooking meth to be with his family, it only further cements the fact that he loves his family, and it never changes the fact that this all started because he chose what HE wanted over what was best for his family. ___ ___ ___ This part is purely personal bias about what I adore about the final scene. The moment Jesse shows up, from start to finish i was summersaulting. The positioning of Jesse next to a car looking at a hairy Walter, mirroring their final shot together in their first scene together in episode 1 Walt killing Jack mid sentence like how Jack killed Hank. Walt killing Jack at all proving he doesn’t care about his money anymore. Jesse finally getting his hands on Todd The final head nod The ricin payoff. Walt dying in a meth lab, smiling because hes dying in the place he felt most alive and/or maybe seeing that all of the settings and dials were right, being proud of Jesse The copypasta of the script saying “They were too late, he got away.” (to paraphrase) The song choice at the end. The lack of dialogue at the end of it all

  • @kcreviews8161

    @kcreviews8161

    22 күн бұрын

    This is long and I'm not quite free enough to read it fully yet but just want to say right away thanks for considering my points and offering up your counters. I'll respond later with any thoughts I have about the rest of your comment!

  • @IcyDiamond

    @IcyDiamond

    22 күн бұрын

    @@kcreviews8161👍

  • @kcreviews8161

    @kcreviews8161

    21 күн бұрын

    OK a few quick things: 1. I don't think it's fair to say that all coincidences are equal. One thing that ended up on the cutting room floor with this video is a discussion of just how convenient and unrealistic it is that Hank and Walt are brothers in law but also Hank is not just in the DEA but the ONE agent who happens to become obsessed with Heisenberg. But I didn't think this was worth getting into because I can accept some coincidences if they're in the interests of an intriguing or exciting plot. Close shaves like with the Salamanca twins are the types of things I'm reasonably happy to accept. But the problem with the book just happening to be found is it's such an important moment to hang on no obvious reasoning 2. The idea Walt kept the book out because he liked Gale and wants to be reminded of him is interesting, but I don't thinkt he show is really about that. Like... for that to be compelling as an explanation there'd have to be a more discernable thread of Walt's fond memories of Gale in the show. 3. A lot of people are bringing up him rejecting the job at Gray Matter. Honestly it's been a while since I watched Season 1 so maybe I didn't appreciate how much money Walt was turning down here. I still think it's clear that Walt is really invested in the interests of his family throughout the series but I can accept that his ego does at a few points movitate him to turn down other better options

  • @nate2826

    @nate2826

    20 күн бұрын

    There's so much to talk about here I could write a dissertation. But let me try to be as concise as possible when breaking down your counterpoints. 1. Coincidences are absolutely an integral part of the plot progression as well as the development of the character's psyche throughout the show. This is especially seen with Walt. Despite Walt's incredible planning at some points, things have to go his way at times with basic abandon for things to work out. For everything that was just solid calculation, three other things just have to fall into place. Hank has to show up to finish off Tuco, he has to accidentally knock Jane over to her back to trigger the overdose/asphyxiation, Hank has to be blinded by his own ego/perception of his BIL to ignore Walt quite literally soft confessing(half a mil in cash, Gale was a copycat scene), Todd just so happened to kill Drew Sharpe on the spot, which had he not would have likely kept both Jesse and Walt in the game indefinitely despite Skyler's protests. And he also had to rely on Nazi gang members in prison he hasn't met to successfully kill 9 people in two minutes. All of that goes his way by complete chance. And it's important to note this because its integral to Walt making careless mistakes towards the end of the series. Walt feels invincible because everything else has gone exactly right by chance. Which leads me to my second point... 1.b?) But first, as an aside. I don't think Walt and Hank being brothers-in-law and Hank being obsessed with catching Heisenberg is a coincidence at all. Obviously the ride along Hank took Walt on piqued his interest in the idea as well as the drug bust scene, and then running into Jesse at this ride along is the whole reason Walt made the decision to cook meth of all things. In the early seasons, Hank is much less Heisenberg obsessed. Only finding leads through standard police work like busting Badge or logging inventory stolen from high school. Walt was super elusive at first and Several things have to fall into place for him to get engrossed in it. One is his association with Jesse Pinkman and his seemingly unexplainable ties to Hank's loved ones. It is found out pretty quickly Jesse is an accomplice to Heisenberg, and knowing Maries name is definitely a spark of intrigue. Especially considering how close Hank was to catching Heisenberg only to be evaded by something he would have never expected. Further, the PTSD from El Paso also encourages Hank to stay on the Heisenberg case out of fear of returning to El Paso. Walt directly manipulates Hank to continue tracking down Heisenberg due to Walts ego not letting Gale take the credit for his work at the dinner table where Walt implies that Gale was likely just a follower of the Heisenberg recipe and the true mastermind is still out there(meanwhile Hank is injured with not much to focus on but minerals). And then Walt ties up most loose ends and Hank drops the Heisenberg case out of instruction from his superiors, only to quite literally be blindsided by the leaves of grass book. My point is the cat and mouse game between Hank and Walt was explored in depth and it makes perfect sense that Hank would be the one to obsess over Heisenberg due to the reasons stated above. 2. I agree Walt did not keep the Leaves of Grass book due to some fondness of Gale. I think Walt is a pretty heartless jerk at times and its much more likely that it's a monument to his triumphs in the game then any sort of sentimental value. Again with the copycat discussion at the dinner table, Walt's ego is the only thing Gale has ever truly effected. Yes he killed Gale out of necessity but he absolutely showed no remorse or trauma for his death. In fact, Walt doesn't even mention Gale except to plead for his survival to Gus and to discredit Gales contributions to the production of methamphetamine when Hank shows him the notebook. I think the reason Walt left it in such an open spot is because he felt invincible at this point. He truly thought he got away and walked away with all the money and everything that could go right for him went right. Despite Walt's intelligence Ego being the downfall of not just Walt but several other characters is the point. 2.b?) As an aside, I don't think Walt is a completely careless sociopath like a lot of people say. And I don't think his descent is this self actualization of traits he already had. I think Walts descent is a lot more subtle than that. Walt gets an adrenaline rush from being the boss and handling business. Case and point, the tuco scene where he blows up the hideout. Walt feels alive. And this is only a few days after his ego was hurt by Elliott who offered him the job. Whenever Walts ego is hurt, something tragic happens shortly after that works in his favor. When Jane outsmarts him or essentially steals Jesse from him, he lets Jane die. When Mike calls him out for having to mess up the order of Gus's operations(even if for good reasons) he shoots Mike. Despite Mike's previous attempts to kill Walt, Walt had previously only killed out of necessity(not counting Jane), and this was the first time Walt actively killed someone just because his feelings were hurt. Victor cooking the meth infront of Walter had to have been crushing, fortunately Gus handled that for Walt which I'm sure all but improved Walts ego that he is the only one alive who could produce Gus's meth. Sometimes he'll try to boost his ego through careless actions just because he doesn't want his confidence hurt. Case and point the "half a million in cash" scene or the dinner table scene where he essentially sparks Hanks interest into Gus. Case and point, Walt cares both about Jesse and his family. I absolutely believe that. But his descent into villainy isn't about him becoming soulless but how his ego and the chasing or stroking that ego leads to the ultimate destruction of his family the exact opposite of what he claimed he was doing. Which leads me to my last point 3. I know you said the scene with Elliot offering the job to Walt you hadn't seen in a while, but I want to make it clear. Elliot did not just offer a job to Walt. Elliot and Gretchen offered to pay his cancer treatment in full and still offered to even after finding out he was telling Skylar that they were when they weren't. Because yes, while Walt got into the meth game for his family, it was absolutely to stroke his own ego that he continued to do so even after the offer. The money HAD to come from him. Otherwise he was weak, or not a real man, or accepting a handout from people who he feels wronged him or hurt his ego in the past. And this is why your rewrite of him confessing to Hank would never work. Because Walts ego would never allow him to forfeit the money he EARNED for his family by turning himself in, and Hanks ego would never allow him to let Walt go free no matter how sympathetic Walts confession is. Hanks been tracking this murder drug manufacturing king pin for a year and a half, and went through several traumatic events. Now, I'm sure Hank would take care or even visit Walt if he did the right thing and turned himself in, but again, Walt absolutely wouldn't do that because he knows that means losing the money he earned and that huts not only his family but his ego. So when Walt at the end says "I did it for me", its not that his family wasn't in mind, its that his ego blinded him to the several opportunities he had to walk away with enough money to sustain his family forever. He had no need to visit Jesse the night Jane died, he had no need to start working the meth lab again after Gus manipulated his ego by saying "a man provides", he had no reason to continue after the buyout in season 5. He wanted to because it made HIM the provider and made HIM more of a man and made HIM feel fufilled. Unfortunately this same ego is exactly what led to the families downfall. Had he quit while he was ahead the family would not be destroyed and Hank would not be dead. So yes, I DO think Walt cares about his family, he wouldn't have pleaded for Hank, saved Jesse, or gave Skyler the lotto ticket/coordinates if he didn't. But the realization that his own pride destroyed the family he tried so hard to protect, means it would be nigh impossible for him to look skyler in the eye and say "everything I did was for the family." No. Much of what he did was for his egotistical desire to be "the man", and being the SOLE provider of his family comes with the territory. I always disagree with the message that Walt is a pure villain. Instead I see him as an almost Grecian tragedy protagonist with the fatal flaw of ego. In fact ego plagues several of the characters but Walts is the main focus and the highlight of the destruction. Everything Walt does almost seems noble, until you step back and realize much of this Walt never had to do or engage in. And I think the show does an excellent job of showing the nuance of a character with the fatal flaw of ego. I could elaborate further and also talk about Jesses character since you also bring up issue with that. But this message is already long enough as it is. thanks for reading if you actually took the time too lmao.

  • @DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek
    @DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek21 күн бұрын

    Yes it is

  • @somegenerichandle
    @somegenerichandle22 күн бұрын

    I stopped watching when Jane died. There just wasn't any coming back from that.

  • @IcyDiamond

    @IcyDiamond

    21 күн бұрын

    You missed out on a great show

  • @CallumBradbury
    @CallumBradbury20 күн бұрын

    Have to agree, the nazi gang or whatever felt kinda phoned in. Honestly would have been nice if Hank was the 'final boss' instead of some randoms.

  • @Nicksrgnt
    @Nicksrgnt20 күн бұрын

    I’m not gonna watch your video at all because the answer is yes.

  • @rhysrodda2009
    @rhysrodda20099 күн бұрын

    feels like this guy doesn’t understand the characters at all and just wants to write his own fanfic instead 👍

  • @JH-xc9we
    @JH-xc9we22 күн бұрын

    After finishing the show, something always bugged me about Jesse, and this video helped me better understand the reasons why. This and the Family Guy videos were really enjoyable and interesting. Excited to see what else you cover.

  • @ndh06
    @ndh0622 күн бұрын

    Criticising Breaking Bad, brave man.

  • @calilove5758

    @calilove5758

    20 күн бұрын

    Greatest show ever...I felt the ending was brilliant

  • @ndh06

    @ndh06

    20 күн бұрын

    @calilove5758 I've never seen it myself, but know the fan base doesn't take to kindly to dissenters.

  • @calilove5758

    @calilove5758

    20 күн бұрын

    @ndh06 trust me.... watch it. Let me know what you think. I've watched the entire series at least 10 times lol. Always the same great feelings. It's a great ride. Trust me

  • @ndh06

    @ndh06

    19 күн бұрын

    @calilove5758 it would've been nice, but I've had most of what happens due to the cultural osmosis. Guess I could get a lobotomy, I hear their making a comeback with the kids.

  • @clickstm
    @clickstm21 күн бұрын

    do humans breathe air

  • @vitalepitts
    @vitalepitts22 күн бұрын

    Every big action walter takes is an act of petulance grasping for control. The nazis were by design unimportant beyond that he had a personal grudge against them. What is satisfying is jesse surviving and refusing Walter's control to his face before he drives off and walter dies. Walter was in a transitionary period in that shack while the vacuum repair man was building his fake identity and figuring the logistics out. walter was never a moral character, he was always a shitty self centered bitter man. When you rewatch breaking bad, watch it rooting against walt, he's indictable from the beginning. He SA's his wife in the first season. He was a weak willed man holding bitterness inside and he turned that bitterness into his entire being by the end of the series, only to become self-aware of this when he's already destroyed his entire life and degraded his family.

  • @vitalepitts

    @vitalepitts

    22 күн бұрын

    I think you also completely misread jesse I don't get a lack of accountability from his character at all and he suffers more than enough for me to not really care if he didn't also suffer emotionally grappling with his actions and have a complex arc with justification for his attitude shifting.

  • @agustin12689

    @agustin12689

    22 күн бұрын

    I mean, life just kept on torturing Walt. His contributions to a big company were denied, he had a boring job, a wife who didn't love him and cheated on him, a son who was weak and not a suitable heir, a daughter who wasn't his, cancer, money problems. Walt needed to feel powerful once again, Walt needed to be Heinsenberg.

  • @vitalepitts

    @vitalepitts

    22 күн бұрын

    @@agustin12689 tone down the meme tier bait

  • @agustin12689

    @agustin12689

    22 күн бұрын

    @@vitalepitts It's not bait. Walts family is garbage, Walt needed a family just like the Salamancas

  • @vitalepitts

    @vitalepitts

    22 күн бұрын

    ​@@agustin12689 you know what this is actually a good demonstration of what I mean about walter's attitude being DOGSHIT from the beginning He made the choice to sell too early and refused to maintain a relationship with his old business partner because his partner got the girl he wanted. Petulance. Instead he became a high school teacher, something far below his credentials, because he got to be the smartest person in the room. He hates being challenged, and eventually he got himself stuck there by staying and needed extra income so had to degrade himself to the car wash. Skylar loved Walt, that was clear. She tried to kick him out and divorce him after she put together that he was a drug dealer, and then she slept with Ted. As far as I'm concerned this is only cheating if she's NOT allowed out of the relationship. I'm going to ignore you actually saying that his son being disabled is an excuse to make meth and kill people there's absolutely no reason to assume Holly isn't his, and if he ever did, that's baseless insecurity walter had an opportunity to get his cancer and money problems fixed by his friend that he refuses to talk to because he's a petulant baby man defined by his pitiful pride. All being heisenberg did was throw a tantrum and harm people. I know you must be shitposting but fr it does go to show the way Walter is a template of passive aggressive toxic masculinity bubbling beneath the surface of a boring man, this power fantasy resonates with some who do not see how he is a fundamentally flawed person who makes himself the worst version possible in the face of his mortality.

  • @iamharper
    @iamharper21 күн бұрын

    No it wasn’t, i’ve always had the opinion that the ending sucked

  • @calilove5758

    @calilove5758

    20 күн бұрын

    Ending was fkn perfect

  • @theprobigdady5656
    @theprobigdady565621 күн бұрын

    Season five just sucked

  • @calilove5758

    @calilove5758

    20 күн бұрын

    Season 5 was brilliant

  • @theprobigdady5656

    @theprobigdady5656

    20 күн бұрын

    @@calilove5758 yeah brilliantly bad

  • @jamesiron4010
    @jamesiron401021 күн бұрын

    It’s the problem with passionate fandoms with almost anything. As reasonable as your criticisms are and as much sense they make they’ll be dopes responding like “hurr durr no breaking bad is good internet man”.

  • @CheeF_Phetty
    @CheeF_Phetty21 күн бұрын

    The Aryan Brotherhood Gang was not shot for no reason, and yes, they're obviously gonna kill Hank. That's cause and effect. That doesn't mean you can't feel outrage towards it. I do understand what you mean. I think that season 4 works as a perfect ending, but at the same time, I feel that season 5 was warranted. Did it create new plot threads? Yes. But these were in service of the plot points that had been developed since the show's first episode. Frankly, I don't see a problem with this, as it's what a lot of shows that last 3+ seasons do. Hank's death still hits hard as even though this gang hasn't been with us all the way of the ride, you know that it's the result of all of Walt's bad decisions over the course of the series which causes Hank to be put in this situation and shot.

  • @gooberproductions8961
    @gooberproductions896121 күн бұрын

    You just don’t get it dawg

  • @ayeg-dp5to
    @ayeg-dp5to21 күн бұрын

    was this video even good?

  • @ayeg-dp5to

    @ayeg-dp5to

    21 күн бұрын

    nope.

  • @mitchconner86
    @mitchconner8621 күн бұрын

    I’ll tell you one thing that wasn’t good at all. This video. 👎

  • @Count_Nathan
    @Count_Nathan22 күн бұрын

    Yes

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