Tyrion teasing Brienne about being a virgin and Sansa saying her abuse wasn’t so bad because it made her smart were some of the most painful scenes in season 8.

@dmac3183

Күн бұрын

The whole Sansa arc was a f up, she should have outwitted Little finger in the Eerie and be the one who leads the Vale into battle with the Boltons. Not because of any Feminist bollocks but because it would be right. Jon and his boys head South, recover Osha and Rickon then send a Raven to the Vale requesting help. Aryas story is in Kings Landing and should only reunite at the end.Bran should stay stuck in a tree warging and using his powers, he certainly shouldn't be King in fact the Monarchy destruction should be the end.

@scarymonsterzz

Күн бұрын

​@@dmac3183 Exactly. Sansa's been in King's Landing this whole time observing politics. Her arc should have been about learning from Cersei and Littlefinger how to be a political powerhouse, ending in her outwitting Littlefinger in a "student becomes the master" type arc.

@dmac3183

Күн бұрын

@@scarymonsterzz and that scene of her in the white dress getting r#### was outrageous and distasteful, only done for shock value and online interaction. Jamie, Jon , Sir Barristan, Varys and so many others were mistreated as characters, and the Dorne plot was a waste of talent.

@viderevero1338

Күн бұрын

And clearly it didnt make her smart at all. If anything she was dumber then she used to be as a naive northern princess.

@BanksOwnUs

15 сағат бұрын

Sansa saying that almost made me fall off my chair. If she feels that way, what was the dog face biting thing all about then????????

The ever-impending "Long Night" became like a 42 minute battle

@ParkerCS2

3 күн бұрын

Yep. And the White Walkers and Night King were nothing more than a Snoke from The Last Jedi. Really pathetic.

@SombraCheeks

2 күн бұрын

seriously this is beyond dumb of them. In Game of Thones a normal winter lasts 10 years... The Long Night is supposed to be the 1000 year winter of death... oh wait nope its over before it even reaches The Neck. Just willful stupidity and the pitch black battle is not even that well done. Fuk Dumb and Dumber

@EntrEsprit

2 күн бұрын

It was like an average night long battle. The only excuse-interpretation i can make is that they were battling for around 7 hours so the night felt looonger than usual

@ParkerCS2

2 күн бұрын

@@SombraCheeks actually an eternal winter of death but yes. The original Long Night set during the first invasion of the White Walkers and threats beyond the wall in the show’s mythology was about 1000 years which it lasted before they were defeated and retreated back to the undead kingdom and before the magical wall was built to prevent another attack from happening.

@Lornext

2 күн бұрын

Short night

"Somehow Palpatine returned" Is basically the entire writing for season 8.

@agamemnonofmycenae5258

2 күн бұрын

We kinda forgot about Palpatine.

@redd_Jack

Күн бұрын

The cracks were everywhere in 7 too, in hindsight

@whoschach

Күн бұрын

You're just mad because Daenerys died, Arya killed the night king and Jon lived beyond the wall. Thats it.

@Watchmedome3017

Күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂 true!!!

@WWESVRGAMER

11 сағат бұрын

Somehow people didnt understand GoT.

Barristan’s death still pisses me off so much. Imagine him talking to Jon about Rhaegar.

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

DnD: "we're killing you off" Legendary Actor: "Did you read the book? I have a Major story element coming up" DnD: "OH excellent, we're 1000% doing it now cause we can fit the rap scene in" Legendary Actor: "WHAT RAP SCENE?"

@vhakanyildiz

2 күн бұрын

DnD should be in prison ffs.

@chelseasherrell6277

2 күн бұрын

I remember when it aired, my husband and I watched GoT together by then (took me a min to get him to realize it was something he'd like) but he has never read any of the books....when Ser Barristan abruptly got murdered he sat straight up and said "wtf?? that's not supposed to happen!!!"

@tigerlancer

2 күн бұрын

First time I've ever seen a guy getting fridged.

@nerminsnowhuseinbasic9340

2 күн бұрын

Man if he survived he could have been the man to unite true Targaryens and also show ending on let's say two of them ruling together would be amazing thing for prequels about previous Targaryen rule b

Absolutely insane how they threw away their legacy and the opportunity to cement GoT as a TV masterpiece, all to go work on Star Wars, which eventually didn't even happen. This could have been so incredible

@NoSyrupLeft

3 күн бұрын

The worst part is no one would have had an issue with them being burned out and stepping down handing the reigns to another who would do the ending justice. But no their ego had to end it on their shitty rushed turns ruining a decade of investment on a storyline

@Siile_

3 күн бұрын

@@NoSyrupLeft true, they even got offered an extra season (or two?) by HBO who clearly were very worried the ending was being rushed and wouldn't be given enough time with just that short final season. Massive egos. So many talented people could have stepped in and done an amazing job. Can't imagine how much money they lost for everyone involved. I am just one fan but I know I would for sure own the Prime 1 Night King statue at this point if they hadn't ruined the character

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

​@@Siile_ HBO was down for 10-13 seasons, George has said repeatedly you'd need 10 to do the story justice.

@Siile_

3 күн бұрын

@@damonlongstreet8630 it's so depressing to imagine what could have been with two extra seasons or more

@EntrEsprit

2 күн бұрын

Idk if Star Wars played the crucial role, they seemed burned out either way. Doesn't make them look less dumb though

The arrogance and incompetence of the writers killed the show in the end. As it often does in stories, especially long running ones. You can have great shots, interesting worlds, decent characters, but you can't compensate bad writing.

@RevJ7

3 күн бұрын

Naw, the show remained great and y'all are arrogant for thinkin you know better.

@michacarrymc1129

3 күн бұрын

@RevJ7 low quality bait

@little.tricks

3 күн бұрын

​@RevJ7 and you are slow for thinking you don't

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

Rage Bait = Desperate Attention Seeking

@anoushkas8726

3 күн бұрын

@@RevJ7 Average Jon fanboi!😂😂

5 years and the wound Never realy healed

@digge2210

3 күн бұрын

A Morghul Blade... It Will never heal completly

@anoushkas8726

3 күн бұрын

The only silver lining I see in it is that the non-healing wound keeps me thinking about and revisiting it..

@LouieBaLLz

2 күн бұрын

@@anoushkas8726 As much as I would love to, I can't bring myself to re watch it. That wound will never heal.😮‍💨

@polyseed12

2 күн бұрын

The 1st 4 seasons of Game of Thrones was the greatest television ever made. Its downfall after that gave me PTSD.

@cloudbloom

2 күн бұрын

Thank the drowned god that the books exist even without a conclusion yet. They are so worth reading and rereading imo

"The Mad Queen Arc" wasn't a character arc. An arc suggests gradual progression over time. It was more like "The Mad Queen" Cliff.

@EddieNgatia

Күн бұрын

couldn't have said it better myself Mark

@ACinemafanatic

12 сағат бұрын

Thank you and folks saying it’s been heavily foreshadowed just don’t get her character at all yes dany has been ruthless which you’ve gotta be when you’re in war and have to show your power but to say she’s insane and wanna kill a bunch of women and children because of bells is so stupid, like she immediately charges to the red keep and instead of going to kill Cersei she burns a bunch of people like what sense did that make the execution was awful and you could see in certain scenes that dany wasn’t on drogon

@octavianpopescu4776

11 сағат бұрын

@@ACinemafanatic This is what I dislike about the Mad Queen theory: the mad part. I think insanity is a cheap, lazy plot device to have characters do illogical things without having to explain it beyond "oh, she's crazy". I can live with ruthless Daenerys, but not mad Daenerys. And even the real history which inspired Martin has an interesting equivalent to Daenerys: King Henry VII of England. What's very interesting about him is this: he's a very paranoid individual, no one likes him, BUT he never became a homocidal psychopath. He'd rather fine his enemies than kill them. At the end of the day, Henry took a kingdom in turmoil after decades of civil war and stabilized it, filled its coffers and left his son, Henry VIII the first peaceful/uncontested transfer of power after a very long time. No one liked him, but he was a competent king. He was devious and paranoid, but not insane. I think an equivalent ending for Daenerys would be much more interesting: she wins the throne and becomes a competent ruler, but she never finds peace of mind, popularity, love, safety (embodied by the house with the red door in the books).

@maxwilliams6199

Сағат бұрын

i hate the mad queen arc cuz nothing in the books everrrrrrrr talks about dany becoming evil or like her father at allllllllllll so so many readers discuss and dissect every dany chapter word for word and i don't mind even recommending some

@horrorluver565

39 минут бұрын

Accurate

In my opinion when it was clear they’d overtake the books they should have had George help them sketch out a simpler alternate ending for the show. That would fit better in the time they had while also not spoiling the end of the books. It also probably needed one or two more seasons to wrap things up without rushing.

@thomassmith8140

3 күн бұрын

We've been saying this for years lol

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

..... they kicked him out of the writers room after s4

@bonganixalisa4568

3 күн бұрын

Problem is they stopped listening to him and threw out his original outline because he didn't like the direction they were taking especially with Little finger selling Sansa to the Bolton's. That did not sit well with him and they would not listen and so he left.

@caesar-dynastysports

3 күн бұрын

"...the time they had because they turned down HBO's offer for more episodes"*

@An_actual_walrus

3 күн бұрын

They didn’t even run out of book material. Seasons 1 and 2 roughly adapted to A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings respectively. Seasons three and four split up A Storm of Swords. Season 5 stuffs parts of A Feast For Crows and A Dance of Dragons while season 6 is mostly new material with bits of leftover book plot conveniently peppered peppered throughout. If they had adapted Feast and Dance as thoroughly as they did the first three, they could have gotten two to three more seasons of just book material. Where needed for pacing they could have gone off the rails a bit but so much never made it from page to screen and it sucks.

On top of a horrible last season and ending,when the fans voiced their complaints,the show runners reacted by saying"We don't owe the audience anything!".

@vhakanyildiz

2 күн бұрын

They owe everything in their lives after the pilot episode of GoT to the fans of the show.

@joefeeney5497

2 күн бұрын

They all say that now. Total misguided entitlement and hubris

@Zizou19989

2 күн бұрын

Peter dink dinklage's reaction also threw me off. He said dumb shit like "people want a happy ending that's why they're mad" like m8 that's not even close to why people are mad, nobody expects a happy ending from this show but one that makes sense

@pussygangster5976

2 күн бұрын

@@Zizou19989he’s actually as*h*le not only with this commentary, but the way he treated people like him

@stephengrant4841

2 күн бұрын

@@Zizou19989cmon now, a large number of people wanted Jon to kill the Night King and then end up king. That’s as cliche as it gets.

Im just glad they didn't end up getting that Star Wars project that they rushed away from GoT for. Small victories I guess.

The last season was basically like watching in x2 speed. The ending was so bad, that I’ll never go back and rewatch the show

@miserableunoriginal

2 күн бұрын

Yes it’s awful. And it’s a shame because I love early Thrones so much. It almost kills the replay value. I now get about half way through season 5 and just start over from episode 1.

@JakeKoenig

16 сағат бұрын

And yet despite them rushing through every plot line, they still managed to pack half of Season 8 with filler. Most of the important things happened off screen, and all of the stupid or pointless things happened on screen. Just a master class of bad writing.

@octavianpopescu4776

11 сағат бұрын

For me it felt like a powerpoint presentation, with a few bullet points replacing a whole story.

@GIBBO4182

11 сағат бұрын

@@octavianpopescu4776 I remember seeing a video of the South Park guys talking about BAD storytelling, if your story goes - and this happened, and then that happened, and then this happened, it means you're doing it wrong...which is exactly how the last couple of series felt

I'll just never understand, D&D had the chance to become, undeniably the greatest TV show writers in goddammed history, all they had to do, was to give the best ending possible to one if not the greatest show in history. Imagine having the world, literally and arguably, at the writing of the palms of your hands, and just fuck it up. It's crazy to think. The ending wasn't because they aren't good writers, they wrote a lot of original content for the show that wasn't in the books, that were pretty great, the best example is the scenes for Robert Baratheon or Robb Stark. They fuck up just because they wanted to. That's just unforgivable.

@robertandrews5434

3 сағат бұрын

Just curious, what ending would you have preferred?

This show is a prime example of what happens when show runners get god complexes. The final season is so horrible there is no way the other writers didn't point out the many glaring flaws to D&D. But they had one of the most successful TV shows of all time which they felt solely responsible for and felt they could do no wrong at this point. If they were simply patient and continued the formula of the early seasons AND actually followed GRRMs notes this show would've been their magnum opus. But nope, their greed and hubris got the better of them. To top it all off netflix let them ruin another book adaptation in the 3 body problem

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

Don't Forget, They believed they knew better then the creator and kicked him out of the writers room.

@christiandonaldson2157

2 күн бұрын

Did they ruin 3 body problem? I didn’t bother watching once I heard they were the show runners

@damonlongstreet8630

Күн бұрын

@@christiandonaldson2157 Supposedly they did alright

@whoschach

Күн бұрын

For anyone who would've not seen Dany going mad and Jon ending up on the iron throne? Have you been paying attention? Have ya"ll seen the red wedding? Seen the first episode where Bran gets dropped from a window? The butcher's boy getting killed for nothing? People getting skinned alive where a house takes pride in it. Ok, nobody likes them but nobody stops them either.

@mchiarelli91

Күн бұрын

​@@christiandonaldson2157I couldn't even finish the first season. Just very formulaic and contrived. It's not horrible but not very good either. It also felt like an almost big bang theory portrayal of scientists. Very difficult to take the show seriously.

I still get so hyped when my "TV" shows off that HBO static logo and immediately leads into the GOT/HotD theme

I think the worst thing about the GOT show is all the behind the scenes info on what shitheads D and D are as bosses.

I hope the writers of HoTD won’t succumb to the “there’s no fighting/no dragons” crowd and continue to write a well paced, logical show. I’m loving it so far. You’re breakdown is fantastic, thank you

@american1207

Күн бұрын

HOTD season 1 was pretty rushed.

@realtalk6195

5 сағат бұрын

If they didn't have illogical casting and raceswaps, I probably would have loved watching the new show. That's another reason why House of the Dragon has no hype.

I maintain that the reason that Drogon burned the iron throne is because he looked down and saw qhis mom killed by a pointy thing, and then he looked a little over to the right and saw a whole ass chair made a big pointy things, and thought that that was the pointy thing that killed his mom

@melenatorr

2 күн бұрын

I can buy that! Also, if you buy that dragons and their riders share a link, then Drogon lays eyes on the manifestation of the thing that obsessed his mommy in her dreams, and which, in essence, caused her death, and the deaths of his brothers. So bad pointy thing caused all this. Bad pointy thing must go. Poor Drogon, he's got no one left.

@whoschach

Күн бұрын

They say Drogon bonded with Jon when he let him touch him. His brothers are basically his twins. As for throne burning. They say Drogon and his brother are the reincarnation of Balerion. Balerion created it. Maybe he felt something in destroying it.

S1-4 are Game of Thrones. S5-8 are the dragonshow thing. And as much as I love to praise, but this video is WAYY too good to S6&7. Edit: I wanna point out how insane it is that almost the entire GoT subreddit turned into attacking everything that doesn't praise Later seasons. Many in there defend it with their lives.

@little.tricks

3 күн бұрын

R/freefolk

@mchiarelli91

3 күн бұрын

Copium

@benerdick_cumberbiatch

3 күн бұрын

Yeah idiots think the last season was the only bad one, but 5 onwards were just as bad.

@rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55

2 күн бұрын

I started reading the series in 2001. My daughter is named Arya. I have a cat named Tywin. I’m obsessed with the source material. The last 4 seasons horrified me. And the some of the smaller changes infuriated me (Arya killing Polliver in place of the Tickler for one). I hated that the Nights King was a thing. There should not have been an easy out for the long night.

@xZFeroxZx

2 күн бұрын

@@rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55 well if you want to fully endulge your hate for it... I recommend "Glidus" on KZread! You may find some amazing entertainment! Also "Tywin" is the most perfect name for a cat... Holy shit this fits so perfectly to every cat I've ever known about... I wanna get a cat now, just so I can name him Tywin.

House of the Dragon is softening the blow for me.

@vhakanyildiz

2 күн бұрын

It is very good and has some epic moments in it but i don't think we'll ever see the same quality of first 4 season of GoT had on television again.

@Zireaeltheswallow

2 күн бұрын

Kinda defeats the purpose to know Aegon’s prophecy is just one big joke tbh

@therealjesus1317

2 күн бұрын

@@vhakanyildiz agreed

@firestar4407

2 күн бұрын

I wonder what will the showrunners do once they run out of material to adapt. If they have to make shit up like D&D, I hope they do it right.

@Ayem427

2 күн бұрын

​@firestar4407 don't worry, the book it's based on is already done, and it's a history esque book so it's incredibly flexible material, plus there's absolutely no way HBO would fuck up their only other chance to redeem the franchise

The FreeFolk never forget what Dumb&Dumber did to our beloved show. One of my biggest gripes is just how damn small and barren the Realm feels by season 8. It’s just the same dozen characters, every House has a handful of members (or less), and fast travel has them teleporting around Westeros in minutes

IMAGINE Jaimie trying to kill Cersei in an effort to save the city like he did with the mad king but having to deal with the pain that he killed part of himself AND it doesnt stop the mad queen this time

Daenery's and Jon's interactions were cringe.

@benerdick_cumberbiatch

3 күн бұрын

Daenerys was always cringe

@anoushkas8726

3 күн бұрын

Seriously! Did they really think that GoT needed a typical Boy-girl romance of the protagonists!! There was no place for it.

@trashboat5983

2 күн бұрын

@@anoushkas8726but it was like destiny their storylines were mirrors of each other.

@Ayem427

2 күн бұрын

*Muh Queen*

@mikehill1114

21 сағат бұрын

I watched the first episode of this "show" after people were telling me how awesome it was. I said it right at the end: so fire girl and snow guy hook up and rule at the end. Never watched another episode, because this was basically soap opera. Until my girlfriend said I had to watch this one "amazing" episode. She gave me a modicum of back story and I said: so the king obviously kills the whole family, right? She just deflated. I never understood what people liked about this. It's terrible and predictable. The accents are atrocious and all over the map. Anyone seriously wanna claim that Tywin and Tyrion are even from the same country, let alone the same family? And come on, try, just TRY to convince me that Daenerys looks like a warrior queen in the slightest, with those puffy arms. This was an actress that had never lifted anything heavier than 25 lbs in her life, and it showed. Anybody really think Vaserys made it that far in life, in that world, with that personality? Get bent, this was a good show. Garbage.

I am still so mad man!!!! This show had it all, there was so much lore!!! there was no way the whole story could have been wrapped in 2 season with 7 and 6 episodes. The writers fucked it up for starwars money and ironically they didnt get it. They had the fucking word at their feet with this show and they gave it all away. It should have been 10 seasons long man. I'm still so fucking upset over the last 2 seasons man!!!!

@Naut1co

2 күн бұрын

lol 2 more seasons of a made up hollywood like tv show sine the last two books in the series aren't even finished yet. People keep forgetting that it was the adaptation of the books that worked so well for HBO.

@PA.69

2 күн бұрын

@@Naut1co yes man that's true they didn't have the last two books but george rr martin was working with them and even he said the show could go for like 13 seasons and the minimum would be like 10 seasons.

@mydreaminorbit9297

Күн бұрын

@@PA.69 not just George but HBO wanted it to continue as well. If those hacks D & D knew they were burnt out. They should've passed the show on to another team to finish.

@PA.69

Күн бұрын

@mydreaminorbit9297 Yeah, they wanted the credit!!

@whoschach

Күн бұрын

We missed so much content of just characters talking. Talking like how they talked before the battle at Winterfell. Don't forget this is the place where winter fell.

You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time.

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

5-8**

@pattamon9432

2 күн бұрын

"You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time." I would alter this statement a little bit. "Action for actions sake in a show like Game of thrones is a waste of time". There are alot of franchises out there which contains basically nothing else than action. I dont think the Fast and Furios Franchise is comprised of fans which fawn over the fantastic Dialogs ( FAMILY!!!!!) or the MCU, which was the other big thing in the 2010s, with big budget action festivals. In which superheroes with superplot armor fought against a myriad of faceless antagonists. Game of Thrones premise shouldn´t have worked as a mainstream show. It is still amazing to me, that a show which can be bleak,slow,dialogue-heavy and brutal ( I mean in the very first episode a random guy was beheaded, a young woman was sold and taken by a big, wild guy and a young child was pushed out a window from a guy who just had sex with his twin)was capable of THAT SUCCESS that Game of Thrones had. In the later seasons, especially after speedruning through the source material the show became excatly that. A mainsteam, marvelized spectacle with basically Fast and Furios Dialogue.

The thing was, D&D hated fan theory and wanted to subvert fan expectations above all else. So when fans picked up on little plot seeds that were planted in previous seasons and guessed the ending of some arcs, they decided to just say “fuck those carefully planted seeds and all the justification we built, let’s just do something random”. Danny going mad didn’t faze me quite as much as fucking Arya killing the Night King. Like what??? Did we really bring back John Snow from the dead just so he could skip doing the ONE THING he’s been all about since season 1?

@linpittsburgh2375

10 сағат бұрын

Exactly. The pleasure of paying close attention to a tv show is picking up those breadcrumbs and shouting “I KNEW IT! Didn’t I say! YESSSS” at the screen when you are right. Not… being surprised because something comes out of nowhere for no reason? Yeah, shock value, but then you sit there more confused the more you think about all those little things you picked up on. And there is no rewatchability unless you have those threads to follow, so nobody buys the dvds or keeps the streaming views up. The only thing you get through pure surprise is a momentary trend on Twitter.

Why would Jon being a Targaryen stop Drogon from killing him? And why dump the "mad queen" arc on Daeneyrs when Cersei had already fulfilled that role with the destruction of the Great Sept and her refusal to help fight the white walkers? Why would the North accept Sansa or any other Stark as their ruler, after the decisions of a few family members led to devastation to their region?

@ACinemafanatic

12 сағат бұрын

Because Dan and Dave liked to subvert expectations thinking that’s what made game of thrones so amazing when that’s not the case

@linpittsburgh2375

10 сағат бұрын

@@ACinemafanaticthey forgot what expectations the show was subverting. The high fantasy expectations are that kings and knights are noble, that everyone good will win, all that stuff. THAT is what GOT subverted. Instead, the expectations they attacked are that the show has a solid through line and you can follow character arcs from beginning to end and the consistency and detail work blows your mind.

@juanitajones6900

8 сағат бұрын

@@ACinemafanatic Good grief! To think that's their only idea of original writing.

Still baffling to me how Arya killed the character Jon should have killed and rocks killed the character Arya should have killed, so ass backwards. I also totally agree the long night should have been an entire season affair.

@Jules2439.5

2 күн бұрын

I can’t even talk about how Jamie ended up getting back with Cersei what the actual F. I thought it was Arya wearing his mask after killing him off screen. Imagine my surprise when it was actually him and a pile of rocks killed them. Jesus.

@Xedjithegoblin

2 күн бұрын

@@Jules2439.5 i never even considered that but even that would have been better

@DjunisBRE

Күн бұрын

Jon the man from the prophecy (and the franchise is called a song of ice and fire, that also represents someone who is Stark and Targaryen) and Arya the girl that trained with best assassins to get revenge on Cersei got done dirty by the writers that wanted to subvert expectations just because

@kevinborchers3522

17 сағат бұрын

@@DjunisBREyea her face swapping ability really went nowhere other then the Freys.

@ACinemafanatic

12 сағат бұрын

@@DjunisBREwell techs ally according to George the song of ice and fire represents the white walkers and the fire represents Daenerys

I could never get into Game of Thrones personally, but i was aware of how big it was during the height of its popularity. And how the final season disappointed so many. Many compared it to how poorly Disney ruined Star Wars, which was a series i loved till recently. Glad the House of Dragon Show seems to be good, so GOT fans have something to help ease the pain.

5 years? Man, times fly fast.

It was Tyrion’s beard that was the downfall. He was in that box for so long that he grew a beard and never was the same after

@vickdinvick5485

3 сағат бұрын

lol... the funny thing is... u are right.... it all started with that stupid beard

Night King was such a travesty. I now cringe every time I hear anything involving the white walkers

@ParkerCS2

3 күн бұрын

I also hated the clitche of the white walkers and wights being a hive mind like robots which were puppeteered by the Night King and a single consciousness bullcrap. They made them unscary unlike the first couple seasons which depicted them as unrelenting monsters that were a force of nature. Instead they make their leader a dark lord archetype which went against George RR Martin’s vision which was his world had no central evil dark lord but rather there was always new villains and threats to take the places of the previous. The wall had so much untapped potential as besides the White Walkers and zombies/skeletons in the books there are other supernatural threats and monsters and creatures and dangers that threated the world of mankind to have sealed off by the ice wall to keep from escaping. Trolls that acted as monkey’s paw type genies, ice spiders, evil spirits and gods, etc. The White Walkers weren’t the only thing that threatened humanity. There were endless terrors that could have been portrayed besides just a dark magic zombie virus and a few human savages and giants.

@DogOfWar64

2 күн бұрын

I hate in House of Dragons they keep bringing up The Prince that was Promised prophecy and that dagger because we all know how pathetic that storyline ends

@ParkerCS2

2 күн бұрын

@@DogOfWar64 hopefully HOTD can remain outside the GOT tv adaptation continuity and just be set in its own universe like how the book universe is different from the HBO show. Would be for the best to have future spin offs continue being set before the events of the mainline GOT novels and its tv series version.

@DjunisBRE

Күн бұрын

@@DogOfWar64 they just need to wait a little more and remake the original with a better ending, they could at least ask martin to help them with later seasons

One detail that bothers me is the lack of logic of having Bran as king. He can’t procreate. There won’t be a linage after him…

@DogOfWar64

2 күн бұрын

When he eventually dies huge bloody civil war for the throne. Should have just had Jon be king.

@stephengrant4841

2 күн бұрын

That’s kinda the point - it’s a ner positive for Westeros. An elective monarchy would be better than an ordinary one. How do so many people miss that? No royal family means no royal infighting, and every major house voting on the election will ultimately lead to better kings. I bet the books do the exact same thing.

@dropbear9655

2 күн бұрын

​@@stephengrant4841the Romans diagree with this statement

@leonrussell9607

2 күн бұрын

​@@stephengrant4841the houses will just fight to gain votes

@badmanskill1112

21 сағат бұрын

It's because no one had a better story than........ Bran?

Whenever I rewatch, I just pretend S5 is the last season and after that the show got cancelled 😂😂

I have never seen a show where so many great and beloved characters been assassinated towards the end. Usually it's just one. Game of Thrones is really special.

5 years later, it still pains me just as much. Fans invested roughly 10 years of viewership to have this shitty conclusion. It’s especially painful considering George R.R. Martin had initially asked HBO for several more seasons and that money was not an issue. D&D just rushed everything because they wanted to move on to Star Wars. The disrespect for fans is mind boggling. I really wish there was some way they could redo the last season…

"The plot is long and full of errors"

All hail Bran The Broken, the first of his name, the king that no one wanted.

The new series is pretty good tbf

@aldo3423

3 күн бұрын

The first season was.

@little.tricks

3 күн бұрын

​second season is still coming out give it time

@thomassmith8140

3 күн бұрын

​@aldo3423 we've only had 3 episodes lol the fuck you mean

@ZachAsaD

2 күн бұрын

It’s alright but it’s nothing compared to the early seasons of GoT. The quality just doesn’t seem to be the same, they seem to pick and choose what parts of the books to adapt and change stuff that makes no sense

@raymondsims7042

2 күн бұрын

@@ZachAsaDnothing besides the wire nothing is of the same quality as early seasons game of thrones so that’s not really saying much. Hotd is excellent

HOTD is already showing worrying signs of them straying from the source material

@miserableunoriginal

2 күн бұрын

But the source material isn’t exactly reliable either. At least HotD has shown its willingness to learn where GoTs last seasons failed.

@thorin2152

Күн бұрын

They've turned Criston Cole into a bitter simp of a joke. Also they're trying so hard to potray the greens as "bad" people its pathetic.

@s.w.d4010

22 сағат бұрын

⁠@@thorin2152They also made Criston Cole Dornish for some reason. I think the writers saw that he is from the Dornish Marches and thought that meant he is from Dorne which is not true at all. The Dornish Marches are used to stop a Dornish attack to the Reach or the Stormlands. They aren’t apart of Dorne.

@edis9869

13 сағат бұрын

​@@s.w.d4010I think you're referring to the latest episode where Alissons brother makes a remark about him being from dorne, but it's supposed to be a snarky comment and a joke

I’d say there was cracks before Tywin death. To me the show died the episode before his death, because not having the revelation of Jaime about Tysha being omitted robbed Tywin death of all meaning and sense. There’s no reason for Tyrion to be pissed about Tywin calling Shae a whore, she was a whore, she also betrayed Tyrion and he just killed her for it, Tyrion reaction doesn’t make sense…. but calling Tysha a whore after the revelation she wasn’t? That make sense.

D&D always said their dream was to get to ASOS and adapt the Red Wedding. In a perfect world they would have passed the torch to other writers to finish off the show. A 2 year gap between season 4 and 5 would have bought them some time and season 5 would have been much better. Of course in a perfect world GRRM would have at least finished the 6th book by then and at least some characters would have had their proper endings.

I have to disagree about Varys being the "only character that made sense" he was being incredibly stupid and open about betraying Danny. Not to mention 1 episode he is like " she is the best hope the realm has" to literally the next episode talking treason

It was on its way to being one the best pieces of media ever…until season 7 and 8. It instantly went from a 10 to a 5 simply because the writers weren’t creative enough which is wild considering they had 6 seasons of collaboration to work off of.

I still wish they remade Season 8, it hurts that GOT should be remembered as one of the greatest TV series in history but 1 season of just non sensical writing ruined the legacy.

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

Dude you'd need to go back all the way to s5

@PricefieldPunk

3 күн бұрын

@@damonlongstreet8630 It fell off but it wasn't something that just ruined it everything. Season 8 legit destroyed the entire show.

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

​@@PricefieldPunkI'll give 5/6 a barly pass mark, not 7

@Zireaeltheswallow

2 күн бұрын

@@damonlongstreet8630no one asked

@raymondsims7042

2 күн бұрын

@@PricefieldPunkit is remembered as one of the greatest tv shows in history

The show should have had 10 seasons, s8 being the night king arc, s9 the Cersei arc and s10 the Daenerys mad queen arc as the finale since you could have enough time to develop Daenerys madness through the last 3 seasons.

I'm so glad you talked about seasons 5-7 too, because in my opinion I almost think the 7th season is worse than the 8th. The dream team heading north of the wall was insanely dumb and bad writing, Baelish's death was enormously contrived and out of character, Euron's horribly watered down portrayal. The series died with season 8, but season 7 laid the groundwork for that downfall

@xXNeoNashXx

Күн бұрын

Yeah to catch a white walker was pretty stupid

it would have been so easy to make the night king an actual treat, make him swarm winterfell with some of his army and meanwhile try and sneak past winterfell with the rest of the army (taking a longer route around winterfell) to siege kingslanding. make dany or jon see them and warn the others, some characters like jamie and tyrion go with the dragons, as they are faster than viserion, so they'll get to kings landing faster than the night king and they have jamie to convince cersei. Make jon, bran and sansa go to kings landing, while they ask arya to come with them, but she stays in winterfell, stating that their mother always told them, that a stark must always be in winterfell. This way we actually sacrifice important characters and might feel their loss later on in kings landing. Making cersei and dany the bad guys over the literal personification of death is the worst decision.

@ParkerCS2

2 күн бұрын

Exactly. The personification of Death (aka the Great Others) was the most important threat being a god or gods/entities or a supernatural force manifested into reality like a virus. It was a unique approach unlike other fantasy worlds that have dark lords or evil tyrannical archetypes (which GOT later made the exact same mistake of making The Night Kikg, who wasn’t even in the books, as a dark lord type like Voldemort or Sauron) as the whole point George established was that there wasn’t a central evil but rather there was always new threats whether it be human or supernatural. The White Walkers stopped being scary when they became a hive mind instead of a dark magic that was manifested and/or manipulated by the leaders to create endless ranks to cause eternal chaos to the world. I like to think of the God of Death as like Death (The Grim Reaper) from Final Destination which wasn’t a stereotypical horror slasher nor a literal entity but a supernatural abstract force of nature. Same was for the White Walkers and Wights in first couple seasons of GOT before they became a collective consciousness from the warging of the Night King and his lieutenants and body guards like the Borg. 🙄🤦 really stupid and lame imo

I have a feeling we’ll be making videos about HOTD’s downfall soon.

The most disappointing thing was Bran and the magic. They never explained anything. Bran just sat there.

@ParkerCS2

2 күн бұрын

The magic of the world doesn’t need to all be explained, but the bran thing definitely needed to. He supposed to be a librarian type warlock/wizard for humanity that also keeps info and history safe from evil supernatural beings and forces such as the White Walkers. But nothing came of it. Why the F does a storyteller make a good king?!?! 🤷‍♂️🤦 It’s like if a good published author was immediately put into office as President despite not having the qualifications nor a proper run of an election. It’s stupid. Bran was interesting as a character born with supernatural abilities and natural magic within him similar to other wargs, but he practically did nothing with it. All he did was take over the minds and bodies of animals and sometimes astral projection. No further powers he demonstrated such as potentially telekinesis, pyrokinesis (which would be useful against ice zombies especially), and also that time traveling using his powers didn’t amount to much. Why introduce time travel to a high fantasy world?! It at first seemed like just seeing into the past, but clearly he was unintentionally interacting with the world and events but yet stops. At least with Harry Potter they only did the time watch thing once because too many meddlings with time could create chaotic problems and paradoxes and diverging timelines which could harm their present. Bran was wasted.

@curtthechameleon

Күн бұрын

@ParkerCS2 Yeah, you're right. The magic didn't need completely revealed, but Bran, being a glorified animal spy, was useless for sure. It's so boring and stupid. They could've done a lot more.

@ParkerCS2

Күн бұрын

@@curtthechameleon yes. Also in the book there are some similar naturally gifted supernatural powered people who could change like werewolves into different animals which some of the starks were. I don’t know the exact name but they were like wargs but instead of controlling minds of people and animals they could turn into animals and fight in those forms. So much from the books they left out the HBO version.

Thank the gods for House of the Dragon, it's singlehandedly keeping the franchise afloat rn

Whoever was responsible for the later writing decisions, rushed story, and character development should never be allowed to touch another TV show or Movie. This was the biggest squandering of a brilliant show I have ever seen. Ultimately, the blame does fall on George RR Martin though. The time it's taken to complete ASOIAF is inexcusable.

What would be really good is when cersei gets killed by jamie and revealed later that it was arya wearing jamies mask

This video is awful, because i remember how bad season 8 was.

@SkyWolfPirate

3 күн бұрын

lol was confused at first got it

@jucxox

Күн бұрын

Right its torture

Such a missed opportunity of Cersei’s hand witnessing the undead and being intrigued by the arm moving by itself. It would’ve been interesting for him to experiment more with dark science and magic to replicate the Wights and weaponize them as loyal slaves/soldiers just like Sir Gregor the Mountain. Imagine him also studying the remains of the White Walker Wights and extracting some of their properties to combine with alchemy and sorcery to create his own versions of Wights. And if the White Walkers were able to try to invade king’s landing he could use his own undead to combat theirs. And also imagine Frankenstein Mountain fighting some White Walkers and Wights himself and holding his own.

This show also forgets about the Lord of Light & God of Death, The Many Faced God, The Great Others (the gods that the White Walkers worship from the books), the Seven (New Gods), and the Old Gods in the final season as well like those important religions never existed. Although to be fair the Seven lost its importance after S6 and was implied to be the only religion that possibly wasn’t true as many the religions were up to interpretation of be all real or different beliefs of the same divine higher power(s) and was all up to interpretation as holy supernatural power or just elemental magic similar to what wizards and witches manipulate and use. The New Gods were the only religious belief that never showed any proof they existed. As again Martin’s world wasn’t meant to literally confirm stuff like if they are gods or just abstract magic and supernatural forces but not necessarily entities. And yet despite the fact some people who died claimed there was no afterlife it’s not exactly true that there isn’t life after death but rather it’s rather realistic like our real world where it’s not ever explicitly confirmed and anything is possible. That demonic spirit or shadow creature that lady Messandra summons using her witchcraft/magic or religious ritual to her god to have help assassinate Stannis’ brother may be the evidence to support that prove souls or ghosts exist in this fantasy world. Also Rickon tells Bran he had a dream of his father saying goodbye to him like as if perhaps his spirit was going to the great beyond after getting executed.

I can see the House of the Dragon showrunners making the same mistake that the GoT showrunners made: opting for spectacular visuals and/or changes that make no sense whatsoever. I also have an issue with the casting changes on HotD. Anyone who has read the book knows the young characters in story were in their late teens/early 20s when the main conflict erupted. The show already had actors who were the right age playing these characters but then they decided to "age them up", so now we have people aged 25 to 29 playing 17 to 21 year old characters. Meanwhile, the women who play their mothers are 30/32. It's so profoundly stupid.

ur accent is the only thing getting me thru revisiting this pain... oh the ptsd!!!

So many things that upset me greatly… the ONLY reason I wound up watching HOTD was knowing Dumb and Dumber aren’t involved.

Wouldn't Dany of having two dragons for the negotiations at kings landing with Cersei of made more sense? Cersei unloading all the scorpions on the wall towards Danys dragons and taking one out there would of been a more reasonable time for her to snap as she considers them her children.

In seasons 5-8, Tyrion, Varys, and Littlefinger suddenly dropped 50 IQ points. The showeunners should’ve ended with season 4 and continued it with some recasts here and there when (if) the books are ever completed

Ned Stark is probably my favourite TV character ever, one of my favourites in fiction even, but for once im glad he died early on, what they did to Stannis alone was painful to watch as a book reader

Had to giggle every time the extremely naughty "Uncle" Tywin made his appearance onscreen in the "Fingersmith".

I've been searching for a video like this for about a week. Most of the ones I found were at least five years old. Thank you for creating this much-needed video.

I like that the thumbnail has the three heroes and the three villains of the series!

@OneHourShower

2 күн бұрын

💯 I love that you noticed that

Season 4 was the beginning of the end. I knew from the moment they removed the Tysha subplot rhat was intefral to Tyrion's arx and Jaime's arcs, that they were not going to have a good plot moving forward or good characterization. And i was right. Jaime is no longer a redeemed person who abandons Cersei to try and fix the war torn kingdom. He never tells Tyrion the truth and Tyrion never learna tbat he actually was loved unconditionally by someone.

@damonlongstreet8630

3 күн бұрын

Very True

@milliemaloney8585

2 күн бұрын

Season 4 was also when they definitively dropped Lady Stoneheart, which fucked up Jaime, Brienne, and Arya's arcs as well. This is kind of an unpopular take (at least outside of book circles), but for me the changes GoT made in s2 did a lot of damage as well. Dany and Jon's arcs were pretty butchered in s2. The changes surrounding the Red Wedding that start to happen in s2 lead to them being unable to adapt the northern plot lines properly. seasons 1-4 were great television, but in my opinion seasons 2 onward were not good adaptations of the material.

Stellar video essay! I was shaking my head in agreement on so many salient points. Well done!

as someone who speed through most of this show in 2019. I can only imagine how disappointed viewers they have invested years in this show must’ve felt after seeing especially the few episodes of season 8.

Pirates of the Caribbean also wasn’t only about ship battles and sword swinging and supernatural threats, but was also about the relationships and back and forths between the characters and ideologies that contradicted the others. Like pirates were already portrayed as “bad guys” but some were more Robin Hood esc figures who cared about honor and giving back to the innocent unlike the government which cared little about the needs of the people. But still there were evil pirates who are the complete opposites to Captain Jack Sparrow which was the ideal example the government would have be propaganda towards the normal folk to point an obvious enemy while still doing evil actions themselves such as having dictating jurisdictions over the seas or finding treasures or magical artifacts like the fountain of youth or whatever else and not caring who gets in their way whether it be pirates or bystanders. Pirates of the Caribbean was the Disney version of Game of Thrones but for films.

@Jules2439.5

2 күн бұрын

I love this comparison! Pirates is so slept on in my opinion. The first three should be among the ranks of LOTR and Star Wars.

@ParkerCS2

2 күн бұрын

@@Jules2439.5 yes 👍 👍

I'm really worried about House of the Dragon because lately I'm noticing a lot of similarities in the writing to seasons 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones.

It’s insane how GOT ended 5 years ago, yet I still have such a visceral reaction when you recounted all the ways the final 4 seasons got worse and worse 🤬

I can't even rewatch it because I know now how it ends. It's like rewatching a game where your team could win but blows it in the 4th quarter from shear incompetence. I imagine this is how Cowboys fans feel every year

It’s so upsetting seeing the GoT Easter eggs (the prince who was promised, dragon eggs, the song of ice & fire story, the dagger etc.) because we know it all amounted to naught.

it's been 5 years and im still actually SO angry about this

I think the creators misunderstood the reason for the show’s early success. Whenever I heard random people talking about GoT while it was running, the conversation always included “no character is safe from death, so you are always surprised”. I think the creators learned the wrong lesson: surprise (shock value) = success. But instead, it was good character development that drove the early success. They ended up sacrificing all that character development in pursuit of “what is the most shocking next thing that could happen?”.

I am so happy that House of the Dragon exists, because for three years GoT was to me only the bad memories of seasons 7-8. Within just a few episodes HotD healed me, it reminded me of all the masterful episodes in seasons 1-4, and it has managed to make them my predominant memory of GoT. Even if HotD ends on a mediocre note I am insanely grateful that show exists so I could once again fall in love with my favorite fantasy series.

Narcisism. That resume everthing about the end of

HOTD is not amazing television. It’s much closer to season 7-8 of GOT than seasons 1-6.

@sameersheriff7078

3 күн бұрын

Got original was my best show if not the best show of all time up to 5th season but later on the way the show ended still brings tears into my eyes !!!

@anoushkas8726

3 күн бұрын

True! But it acts as a nostalgic salve!

@jc2367

3 күн бұрын

@@sameersheriff7078 agree. It needed 2-4 more seasons to properly tell the story. And better character arcs near the end.

@jc2367

3 күн бұрын

@@anoushkas8726 yep

@Mrempoleon100

2 күн бұрын

There Is always "that" guy....

10/10 video essay. I’ve been watching since I was 15 in 2012, so I feel you on the favourite show part. You really managed to praise everyone who deserved it and pinpoint exactly when things started to go wrong. It helped me realize that you were right about the slow decline over several years. I’m thrilled that HOTD has brought us a bit more of that original magic.

Everything you said was spot on & you articulated it so well. Thank you

Awesome video man. Truth be told I never got into Game of Thrones. It just didn’t grab me. Too busy watching Attack on Titan(which also had a disappointing finale lol 😂)

@little.tricks

3 күн бұрын

Yet another show I heard that ended poorly and angered fans

@lightscorer1320

3 күн бұрын

@@little.tricksThe ending is very controversial. Some hated it, some were lukewarm and some (including myself) absolutly loved it and thought it was perfect

@Steel-101

3 күн бұрын

@@little.tricks it was really bizarre. Not everything in the final season was bad, there were some good parts but still so much felt so unsatisfying for a finale. The protagonist makes a gruesome decision that’s so out of left field, the story of S4 is backwards, they shoved some of the old characters to force in some new ones(One getting a ridiculous death and the other old characters just get little screen time), The overall message is really weird, etc etc etc. what’s even worse is that some fans gets so upset when you point out the flaws of the final season and they just scream out that it’s “perfection”. It’s like dealing with the Disney Star Wars fans.

@kuromyou7969

3 күн бұрын

I watched the first 2 seasons when they came out and then didn't see the rest until just last year. I kind of wish I hadn't finished it. But it's a good comparison for GOT. They both went off the rails.

@lightscorer1320

3 күн бұрын

@@Steel-101You did not just f***ing compare me to sequel defenders. There are some parts that are personal opinion but protagonist making a gruesome decision out of left field I disagree with. It seems out of left field when first watching. Youre like: Why would he do this? But it gets explained and on a second watch you notice all the foreshadowing. Also how is the message backwards??

Well thought out and presented. Excellent job!

@raymondsims7042

2 күн бұрын

Was it though? He’s just repeating stuff he’s heard and that literally everyone else has already said.

That was amazing man, well done!

great video man, love it

"I even have Daenerys Targaryen tattoo on my arm" Ooooh budddyyy

Thanks for the video, I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way

Rhaegal's death still pisses me off, goes against so much established lore...

Peter Dinklage is an actor you always know who he is when acting. When he played Tyrion you didn’t see Peter Dinklage.

Was hoping you’d talk about how ridiculous the sack of Highgarden was. It literally made no sense

To your point about the Night King not immediately throwing the spear at Drogon in season 7, I actually loved that moment. It was (obviously) the Night King's way of saying "Go ahead and fly back to the mainland, tell them what you saw here. I'll beat you regardless", no different than him raising the dead and letting Jon's boat get away. Just wanted to throw that in lol

Tywin is one of my favorite characters for sure.

Excellent analysis. Thank you.

There's a gift for making people smile. Thank you for sharing it.

Benioff & weiss finishing the series finale: PEACE OUT BITXHES ,WE GONNA MAKE SOME STAR WARS!!!

Five years have passed, and I'm still bitter about it. Azor Ahai ,The Prince That Was Promised all this forgotten for Bran the Broken 🤦🏻‍♀️

What made GOT very successful is Scene design. GRRM mastered the art of Scenario Design. The Queen, her Brother and a Kid. That was the scene that set the tone of how the show was going to go. But before that scene, he crafted the Direwolf, the Stag and the Starks Scene. Buy designing great scene from scenarios, GOT became a great success. The latar part of she show focused on the story and not the scenes and the scenes suffered.

The fact that they warned us about the danger of the white walkers for 7 seasons, basically saying that who sits on the throne doesn't really matter because they will need to face a much bigger threat just to have Arya killing the Night King in ep. 3 is something that i will never forgive

Let's not forget these amazingly complex season 8 quotes: "I do not want it" "Muh queen"

Great review, thank you

I know why this show had a horrible ending, but I still enjoy watching all these video essays about how they ruined one of the greatest shows on television lol