The Hulk being wasted is the biggest tragedy in this whole thing. A horror movie with Hulk (Body and psychological horror) would be amazing.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I feel like we need more superhero horror movie hybrids. Like Blade!

@creed8712

Ай бұрын

Universes would never have the balls to release a real monster movie like that now much less back then with the hulk

@damiantirado9616

Ай бұрын

It’s owned by Disney and Kevin Feige. They would’ve never done that. The mcu is for kids.

@srstriker6420

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161yeah like the Immortal Hulk comics

One major point I disagree with you on is your reasoning for why solo movies don't work in the MCU. The problem isn't that they're all in reach of each other, it's that the Hollywood formula doesn't typically allow for antagonists to survive passed the first movie (horror is the exception because the killer is also the main character). Can you point to an MCU villain aside from Loki and maybe Hydra that continues to exist past the movie they're introduced in? No. Compare that to the comics where there are plenty of villains for each character and so there's always something happening and you realize the problem. We don't question why the Avengers don't help Iron Man in his solo comics because we can assume that they're all off doing their own thing. We don't have that luxury of assumption in the MCU because we haven't seen other villains.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That's actually a really interesting point. I've thought about that before. How because there's so many comic book villains, often movies will dedicate one movie to a villain (or several villains) and limit their stories to that one movie showing their origin and death. It's why it was kind of cool that Klaw was introduced in age of ultron, but then was also an atagonist in Black Panther. I've also thought with Superman and Batman it would be good to bring back Luthor and the Joker multiple times. Like if I was in charge of the DCU I'd consider making a Batman trilogy where the Joker was a primary antagonist in all three movies. But yeah I see what you're saying about how the revolving door feature of villains and the way they seem to take turns means that it's hard to see why the avengers wouldn't just constantly come together to take each one on at a time

@metallord6960

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 I don't think I can agree that Joker should be a trilogy antagonist, unless you're trying to set up an Arkham adaptation. Honestly, ever since the Dark Knight he's kind of overstayed his welcome and made it harder for other great members of the rouges galary to get the spotlight.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

@@metallord6960 That's a fair point! Often when I think about rewrites or reworkings I sort of just imagine that previous incarnations wouldn't exist in the public consciousness, but right now it's pretty insane considering there's two canonical live action jokers right now! Phoenix in those movies, and then they teased Barry Keoghan at the end of the Batman. And I mean we also got Jared Leto in the Justice League Snyder Cut not that long ago... it's insane!

@bluelocimon

Ай бұрын

That's a thing that actually worked best in the Arrowverse. With all the shows having a new episode each week, you didn't question why Flash couldn't help Green Arrow with his weekly bad guy, 'cuase he was also fighting with his weekly bad guy

The argument of "why this character didn't help this other character" worked best in the Arrowverse. With all the shows having a new episode each week, you didn't question why Flash couldn't help Green Arrow with his weekly bad guy, 'cuase he was also fighting with his weekly bad guy. While in the MCU with every movie coming out in different years, it seams like while Captain America is fighting with someone, Iron Man is just chilling

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Yeah that's a good point. There's rarely an implied conflict outside the runtime of the movies

@TabalugaDragon

Ай бұрын

well, Barry always helped Oliver without a problem when he needed to, because Oliver's bad guys are nothing against his speed, he can literally save the day within seconds and come back to dealing with metahumans.

I think you run into the Ship of Theseus paradox here. "If you have a ship made of wooden planks, and every year you replace half the planks... If you give it enough time so that every original plank has been replaced, is it still the same ship?" If you keep making adjustments and changes to a franchise, if you make enough of them, is it really the same thing it started out as, within reasonable subjective parameters?

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That's a good way of putting it! Can't just slowly sub out elements and keep it the same!

This is more of a "What the MCU did wrong than a "The MCU was a bad idea" Tbh most of these are just problems that the MCU made for itself. If they stuck to the comics and had their own identity, then we wouldn't really have a problem. Not everything needs to be the same tone. No offense, but that is your problem, u seem to need everything to have the same tone. But a Spider-Man movie and a punisher movie/show should never be the same tone, but they can still co-exist and be bridged by DareDevil tone differences are what make them interesting and the weaving of stories is what makes them interesting as well

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Fair enough! No offence taken! To me the punisher and spider man existing in the same universe would feel kind of weird, but maybe that is just me!

@IronDeficiencyMan

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 In my head, I see it as a comic book movie, and comics have different tones and themes. That's what makes them special. It's like real life. You see different people that are all coexisting, some in the same family. But basically, It would be boring having every character be the "same" it loses the uniqueness behind each character and seeing how they fit and react to each other.

@Ackbar96

Ай бұрын

@@IronDeficiencyMan Yeah, part of the appeal of Marvel to me is that it's a kitchen-sink fantasy universe. You have a secret dinosaur land in Antarctica coexisting with Dracula over in Transylvania and shape-shifting aliens out in space locked in an eternal rivalry with a bunch of blue aliens led by a hivemind and meanwhile Nick Fury's doing James Bond-style spy stories and Patsy Walker used to star in an Archie-style romance comic...

@metallord6960

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 I mean, they did in the comics.

@chadb2840

15 күн бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 The Punisher was introduced in a Spider-Man comic, Amazing Spider-Man #129

I agree with the sentiment that the MCU was a bad idea, but not for any of the same reasons. I don’t think you need to sacrifice characters storylines in individual movies to make them work in team ups, this is superheroes we’re talking about here and the coming together of completely different characters is a tale as old as comics themselves. I also don’t agree with anything about tonal consistency, if anything I think that’s one of the MCUs weakest points. The MCU treats these big movies as if they’re episodes of a tv show, so they try to keep most of it as tonally consistent as possible, and the few things that didn’t do that, like Thor, eventually were forced into that more comedic, less serious tone. But I think the best course of action is different tones, because as you said these are supposed to be different franchises that exist int he same Universe. Treating individual projects like regular films that anyone would make makes them far more unique, engaging and less repetitive, as opposed to having 30 films in a row with the same styles and tones which can lead to fatigue. I also just disagree with what you said about Spider-Man. I don’t like the MCU version, but not because of how they portrayed the life of what it is to be Spider-Man. Spider-Man has never been the ultimate escapist fantasy, at least not in the comics, it’s a story of what you want to do vs what you should do. Anytime Spider-Man wins, Peter Parker loses, and anytime Peter Parker wins, Spider-Man loses, so it’s the story of a kid with these powers who has to constantly decide between what’s best for the city and what would make him happy. As the saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility.

isn’t there a difference between ‘failure’ and ‘not achieving perpetual success’?

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Sort of... I would make the analogy to one of those games that goes on forever until you die. So something like pacman. If I get quite far in a game of pacman then I would say that session of pacman was not a failure, but at the same time I did technically fail when I died and got a game over. Likewise the MCU isn't overall a failure, but when the films started to get bad, that was a failure. Doesn't mean the whole thing is an overall failure though

@ccricers

Ай бұрын

"Renaissance" 90's Disney had this situation with their animated movies. They had a series of hits and Lion King especially blew it out of the park. It would've been difficult to top that. Pocahontas was underwhelming by comparison and it wasn't until Hercules where it felt like a bigger return to form for their movies.

@Sam_T2000

Ай бұрын

@@ccricers - yeah… imagine an alternate reality where Hans Zimmer became Disney’s go-to composer for their animated movies 🤔

I think there's a major point you're missing out on here which gave Marvel a huge advantage in developing their brand, which is that when a majority of Marvel's properties were originally created in the comic books they were created with the idea that they would exist within in a inter-connected universe. Even the first issue of Amazing Spider-Man has an appearance by the Fantastic Four. An expanded universe is not something that was unnaturally grafted onto these characters/franchises, it was always a part of their DNA.

"Why didn't they just fly the X-wings to Mordor?" Ok, here's the thing. I know that the answer to this is "Well in the expanded material in the Simarilion it's shown that the X-wings are neutral and don't want to draw the ire of Sauron" but here's the thing: That doesn't matter. Any film needs to stand on its own, and if J.R.R. Lucas had wanted that to be the takeaway then he should have said so in the work, not in some giant setting bible only the most hardcore fans would ever read. And let's break this down further: Sure the X-wings want to be neutral but why is that something we should just accept? Here's Emperor Sauron going around, enslaving wookies and hobbits, doing horrible stuff... and the X-wings just want to sit on their landing pads and hope that the big bad guy leaves them alone? Do they really think that'll keep them safe? Just because they have a reason for not flying Luke Baggins to Mt. Death Star Exhaust Port doesn't mean it's a good reason, or a reason that should go unchallenged.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Haha! I didn't anticipate there being a Tolkien expert here to show what a fool I am!!!

@jdonvance

12 күн бұрын

I've been told (second-hand info-- sorry) that the X-Wings were incredibly old, I think even older than the Jed-istar or the High Republic Elves. And in J.R.R. Lucas's world, the older a thing is, the more powerful it is, so letting the X-Wings come into direct contact with the OneForce would be even MORE disastrous than Obi-Dalf OR Yodriel getting hold of it. Best just to take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

I think the MCU was always best when it was more grounded. Now, one could argue that from the moment Thor was introduced it lost that grounding. But hot take: the first Thor movie is surprisingly grounded despite being about Norse gods, in my opinion. Every single other appearance of Thor completely lost that grounding. (Like, I think the tone of the first Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, and Thor movies actually do fit together fairly nicely, but fell apart in Avengers) HOWEVER, it was inevitable it would collapse eventually. I've always thought that almost every movie in the MCU is weaker for being a part of the whole as opposed to individual stories. It's arguably a problem the comics has too. The more stories in the universe there are the less significance any single event has, not to mention power creep and all that, and continuing to introduce more and more heroes, it just gets to be too much. You can't just keep adding pieces onto a puzzle like that, especially with how different each piece is. You get too far away from where you started, and then the pieces stop fitting together nicely. (Wait a minute, holy cow this channel is small! I don't know how I ended up here, but I'm happy I did!)

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That's a good point and I think you might be right!

Im not sure I fully agree about the giant-monster-verse. I do enjoy the big punch-ups, but compared to the drama experience of Godzilla Minus One, the neon arcade battles with an axe-wielding giant gorilla feel pretty hollow. I think the existential horror of a Godzilla attack or the tragic pathos of King Kong stand alone very effectively. Together you get big fun battles smashing up cities, which is cool, but the stakes are all pretty catroonish.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I'm one of many people who hasn't been able to see Minus One yet, but I've seen some of the other Japanese films and definitely a lot of them definitely aren't that emotionally resonant, but apparently Minus One is the best Godzilla film yet! Either way, I think making the audience feel the existential horror (good way of describing it) of a Godzilla attack is definitely a winning strategy for making the films feel good. The main issue I've had with a lot of Godzilla films (both Japanese and American) is that I don't really feel the impact in a way that grips me emotionally

@motor4X4kombat

21 күн бұрын

>" the neon arcade battles with an axe-wielding giant gorilla feel pretty hollow" *badam-bum+

Hate to say it but the MCU was a good idea. Seeing our favorite Marvel heroes jump into the big screen, as well as them adapting the source material while also making it stand on its own, was what the MCU special. At-least, for the first two phases. What made them work is that not only there were actual good storylines that were adapted (Yes, even the weakest ones had good stories), but we were seeing the same crazy shit the way our favorite Marvel heroes were experiencing them. That and the fact both Phases 1 & 2 had a story arc which changed the state of the Marvel Universe once their final movies happened. This may sound like I’m gushing about the MCU like I’m some MCU Stan, but the truth is I really respect what Marvel & each of the crew members all 12 movies did when it comes to the first two phases of the MCU. Sadly, I can’t say the same for Phase 3 as that was (IMO) when I feel like we started to see some cracks in the MCU. And than Phase 4 came in and it got way worse. And since Phase 5 is still going, it just feels like things are starting to get a lot better. However, given what we’ve gotten for the past 3 years… I doubt that’s gonna last.

I think the issue is that in the comics, the readers just accept that even though the story doesn't make sense because of how many superheroes exist in such a small area, that the way comics work is that a writer decides when a character should cross over with another based on what is best for the story. With general audiences, they can't accept this, and just go "but why didn't x show up to stop y in z?" This isn't necessarily bad, it's fine to question certain elements of a story, but in the comics the crossing over element is like the 4th wall in a theater production, you just don't acknowledge it and suspend your disbelief because if the writers bent their backs over to acknowledge it all the time the stories would be worse. Take Hulk for example. He wasn't even really an Avengers character, he left the team in issue 2 and got his status as a founding member removed in issue 4. After this he did his own thing in areas outside of new york and for a long time was only hunted by the avengers, not recruited into them. This element of isolation allowed for his stories to be more serious, introspective, and mature at times compared to other superhero comics. The MCU won't let that happen. Even though part of it is a rights issue with universal, it is really telling that all of hulk's story arcs are part of some other narrative and not really about him, and bogged down by the insecure tone of the MCU which won't allow for deeper meaning or sincerity. With Iron Man, you could tell certain types of stories with him in his solo book, and other types of stories in The Avengers, and they would have different tones and uses for the character, but in the movies everything has to be the same, and both the Iron Man and Avengers movies suffer because of it.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Yeah absolutely there's a sense in whicH comics require a different suspesion of disbelief. I must admit one reason I never got super into comics myself is that I like the idea of complete definitive tellings of stories, and comics can't really offer that by their very nature. It's why I don't like shows like doctor who either: if it goes on forever and they keep bringing characters back then I just start to miss that sense of closure

@wondershroom

23 күн бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 My own personal way of getting into comics is just an idea of headcanon Like essentially, when reading you like to imagine your own timelines or your own chronological order for certain characters, because some things just are complete shit and you'd rather ignore it for the sake of enjoying the picture

@motor4X4kombat

21 күн бұрын

@@wondershroom yeah in my head canon superman is a nice hero that realy belives in hope and the good on humanity... but can't time travel by spining the earth or carrying an entire solar system in his back or have a fight with Muhammad Ali because let be honest that is isanely stupid even for comic book logic.... because Muhammad wipe the floor with him.

But the concept of an expanded universe, with Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, the Hulk, and a thousand other characters ALREADY worked, in both comics, and cartoons, before the MCU was ever a thing!

One problem with a fixation on tonal consistency across a single universe is that a universe does not, can not, have tonal consistency. A misanthropic crime comedy like Pain & Gain and a sweeping inspirational war epic like Dunkirk are both based on true stories, ie, both events took place within the same universe, even if neither film hinges on that particular connection. The point of a universe is that it contains everything there is to be contained; low-stakes comedies and high-stakes grand operatic drama alike.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That is actually a good point and something I had considered. I know there's a joke I've seen somewhere about people treating real life as a cinematic universe. There's some joke about how "The Hurt Locker" and "World Trade Centre" exist in the same cinematic universe because maybe the attack depicted in World Trade Centre was one of the catylists leading to the war depicted in The Hurt Locker. But yeah... in that case the two films are tonally consistent. But I get the point that an actual universe (not least of all our own, which is the only actual universe I'm aware of) contains within it thousands of events that if adapted into stories would be wildly tonally inconsistent. I don't have a great response to that except for the classic "Well media is supposed to depart from real life as part of the artistic process" response. Which isn't a great response, but just amounts to me saying that even if somebody wanted to make a series of films all based on real events, if we were supposed to understand those films as interconnected in some way, that they should try to make the tones line up a bit in that context too Thanks for the comment

I think that the problem with having a problem with Cinematic Universes that have wide tonal diversity is that we ACTUALLY live in a world with democracies and dictatorships, anime nerds and sports fanatics, religious fundamentalists and anarchic bohemians, technophiles and luddites, the ultra rich and the unimaginably poor. Focus hard enough on any given sphere of the human experience and you might be forgiven for forgetting that other experiences even exist. So, I personally can handle the idea that a massive underwater war is raging near Atlantis while Batman meticulously puts the microscopic clues together to catch the Penguin while Superman punches an alien starfish into orbit. It can all happen on the same planet because I understand that stock traders and rave-goers and homebodies rarely cross paths in our world. It's a big universe out there and when you view it through the lens of unfettered imagination, nothing is impossible.

Star Wards of the Rings. I don't use the word 'guffaw' lightly, but I totally guffawed.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

You'd think I chose those two specific franchises just for that line, but it was just a coincidence

Edward Norton should write a stand-alone Hulk movie without any studio interference. Complete control. Spiderman would have had a more interesting if controversial arc if he instead of wanting to be an Avenger he actively wanted not to be part of the team. He lives in NYC, so he would have been present for the tons of destruction caused by the Avengers. It's a big plot point in Jessica Jones. There are many people who already actively don't like the Avengers in universe because of some of the wild and destructive things that action movies do in their universe's. Knowing this, the "Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman" arc can be more along the lines of Peter Parker taking up his role as focusing on the everyday people. This would fit in with his story that a small time criminal murdering Uncle Ben is the one that is the cause of his origins and ideology. He doesn't need to feel like he has to fight the big wars across the universe, he's there to save the people from the effects of what that destruction does to people on a neighborhood level. Look at any place in the world today that's getting bombed or has been bombed in history, what you leave behind isn't just okay when the bombs stop, you need to rebuild. Jobs are gone, families destroyed, food and water are more difficult and more expensive to get... and in an environment like that Crime rises. (and extremism). So when the Avengers find out that there's this spiderkid swinging around they or some of them might want to recruit him. SHIELD may just approach him directly. And he says NO. He calls them out. They can't even tell him who killed Uncle Ben, with all their intel and all their superpowers and everything they still fail to account for everything, so that's what Spidey is there for. You can keep him quippy and snappy and funny but also self aware enough to know he's not quite a Norse God. He's a different kind of hero. I really think that your point at the end is valid, but there were so many choices they had going into making the MCU exist in the first place, and the biggest part of the problem I think is the fact that they don't understand that each of these heroes' have their own scale. As in Captain America, he worked well as a 1940's 1950's action adventure hero because punching those particular European bad guys is fun and cathartic for everyone, except them. But in the modern world where we're still fighting each other all over the place for very current ideological issues and many can't agree over those issues it leans into this whole "what does Captain America stand for" and that was never the point of the character. He was a weak small individual who wanted to do the right thing but lacked the power. When given that power instead of being corrupted by it he became that force for good he always wanted to be. It's a story that is at it's heart very human, and has a bad guy with Hydra that stands against those morals in a very easy to understand way considering their origins and ideology. I could write more but this is a long comment. I like your perspective though and definitely keep making videos and I'm curious to hear most of those perspectives

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Spider-Man actively not wanting to be an avenger would actually be really interesting! Definitely agree that could be a more exciting way to take the character. Especially as he gets older and has a more pronounced sense of agency. And yeah I agree that Cap doesn't benefit from being a character written during a very black and white conflict when the modern world isn't like that at all

A core thing you miss with King Kong's inclusion is that it is not the traditional classic King Kong included in the Monsterverse. There are, and have been since the 60s, two different Kongs, tonally. You have the Traditional Kong, who is a figure of tragedy in a tragic story who dies a tragic death. A king of his own world, enslaved and brought to the world of man where he then dies because he cannot co-exist and cannot be allowed to survive by man. He cannot be free, and he will not be a slave. So he must die because of man's hubris. Which, for note, directly correlates with the ethos of kaiju cinema as quoted by Ishiro Honda, the director of the original Godzilla movie and many others- ""Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them." THIS Kong is linked to, and the genesis of, this idea. And also how that quote ends is why the kaiju genre evolved the way it did- including Kong. Which leads to (Also racism, traditional Kong is all about racism and not just in bad ways! But also in bad ways. The films that tie into this are the original, Son, the two remakes and Lives. ) The *other* Kong. The one that managed to escape this tragedy to one degree or another. In whole or in part. This, crucially, is a Kong invented by Toho themselves, where Kong may meet some of the same plot beats- but doesn't even have to- but isn't overtly a figure of tragedy. His is not a tragic tale. He does not have to meet that fate. This is a Kong that gets to live past his tale, that gets into nonsense and bullshit, more cartoonish and silly adventures. The original King Kong VS Godzilla is the origin, of course, and fittingly that film was satire. It was a comedy, playing up the bullshit of sensationalism and TV networks and meant to be taken lightly. From this film Kong's popularity reemerged in full, and the Rankin Bass cartoon started, where Kong would fight an evil scientist and robot duplicates and have human friends, which also fed back into the Toho Kong with Escapes, a direct adaptation of the Rankin Bass material. And to take a brief step back, this came about, this comedy satire punch up of two kaiju stars, through the natural evolution of monster films. Building to Godzilla 1954, the first and most important stop is Kong himself, which I've gone into how that all ties together. After Godzilla, Toho made more and more monster movies, with the next most important one being Rodan in 1956, which followed the similar formula and tragic fate of the kaiju stars, laying on even more how they ultimately are victims and their deaths are truly sad. But you can only do that for so long. So for the next *big* Monster movie, Mothra, Toho pivoted. Tragedy after tragedy, audiences and creatives alike wanted something more. They wanted the kaiju to win. Cue Mothra, who is unambiguously the hero of the film and must be appeased, humanity unable to stop her in their normal brutish fashion. Mothra cannot be stopped by humanity and SHOULD not be, and that opened the door to a new way of thinking. This set up the next project, KKVSGoji, to tonally be even more different and silly. It set up the new Kong to be a hero of humanity, not just a victim. THIS Kong has been in almost as much if not just as much as the original. Almost any animated adaptation, including the 90s/2000s series where Kong has a human twin and they become stronger by merging minds, or the one where Kong is in the future and uses a jetpack to fight robot dinosaurs, ties directly back to this Kong. So of course, Legendary's take on this Kong follows that lineage- as it should, since it leads back to Toho in the end, the source of it. So there's nothing unusual about what has been done with this Kong, it all ties together fairly well. And it only some times has a little racism! as a treat except for KKVSGoji that one just has a lot of racism. Goddamnit Japan. Still not the most racist one though, Peter.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That's a good point about there being two different kongs. Thanks for the very detailed comment! I sort of feel like to an extent that's true about the Hulk in some ways. It seems like there's plenty of precedent at this point for him being both a really tragic figure and also a pretty wacky space gladiator

Shoutout to the ESV Study Bible, which I also have on a bookshelf directly behind my head.

I'm working on a literary shared universe myself. The way I'm handling it is that each entry is going to be standalone first, with a few Easter eggs here and there showing that it's all connected without interfering with the individual plots. They also take place in different time periods, spaced out just enough to explain why certain characters aren't present, but not so far that future interaction is impossible. Once the separate series are wrapped up, that's when the crossovers will begin. That's where I think the MCU miscalculated. It put so much emphasis on the crossovers that individual stories got disrupted. My favorite branch of the MCU is Guardians of the Galaxy, and while I think the third film still managed to be better than other recent MCU fare, I also think it would have been a thousand times better if it didn't have to maneuver around everything that Infinity War and Endgame threw into the mix. That's something I want to avoid in my own work, so I've been taking notes the whole time.

@mdpl-05

Ай бұрын

your first paragraph describes phase one of the mcu lmao

@omniviewer2115

Ай бұрын

@@mdpl-05 MCU Phase 1 had three standalone movies and one duology before the first crossover. What I'm attempting to complete multi-book series first with the crossovers as the ultimate payoff. I feel that's significantly different from what Marvel wound up doing.

@youssefmesrati340

Ай бұрын

I'm going to do a mega rewrite of the whole mcu I'm mostly going to just rewrite the bad projects and add small details to the best projects and giving some projects that we should've had

@Ackbar96

Ай бұрын

@@omniviewer2115 And what you're describing right there is Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere. Mistborn, the Stormlight Archive, and the various standalone titles are able to be enjoyed without reading the others, but having read, say, Sixth of the Dusk or Warbreaker will enhance your enjoyment of some of the Stormlight books.

@omniviewer2115

Ай бұрын

@@Ackbar96 And would you say that method worked?

Totally agree about the Dark Universe. One of horror fans’ favorite pastimes is playing dollies, throwing different franchises together, so there is clearly high interest in such a universe. Dead by Daylight and horror anthology series demonstrate this despite being subpar experiences in multiple aspects.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I'm also watching Supernatural right now and that's got a lot of syncretism in terms of throwing all sorts of random horror elements together into one big mishmash... with variable results in terms of quality and logic

Disagreed about Ragnarok. That movie would work best as a standalone, epic drama. The potential there was huge. Instead, they turned destruction of Asgard into a comedy.

I wanted Pattinsons Batman to be a cinematic version of Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond

Still blew the record for highest grossing film franchise out of the water...several times over. Harry Potter is 7.7 Billion right now, was less at the time(closer to 5 billion) and it was the previous record holder. Marvel has like 30 billion in gross

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Yeah although they did achieve that partially by just making a whole load of films!

@kalkuttadrop6371

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 also I gotta say it’s funny how much you emphasis how ‘weird’ it is to have all these characters to exist in the same verse and all the problems that creates…when they’ve coexisted in the comics for decades

A heads-up before l watch: I didn't see this in my sub box when it aired. I just went back to the day it should have come up, as well as 2 days before and after, and it's not there. Your community post made me check out your channel and see you have new stuff out. It might be an idea to do a "In case you missed it" post soon.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Ah thanks so much! I'll be sure to do that! An explanation: when I was first working on this channel I saw some advice that said to turn off the "notify subscribers" option when you don't have many subscribers, because that will force the algorithm to search for people who aren't subscribed. I think it worked in terms of growing my audience, but I guess now I have a good number of subs I should change my defaults and fix that!

i totes agree on this take about spiderman. i really only want a street level team up movie where Spidey and Daredevil team-up to defeat Wilson Fisk. I love Charlie Cox and he deserves it from the studio. basically we the people just want a plain old adaptation of Spiderman season 3 from the 90s. and Disney isnt gonna give it to us cause theyre a kokblok. i spend a lot of time thinking about how dope a movie that would be, but instead we get introduced to a dumb mega-villain in the awful crap that was Quantumania. uuuughhb

How is it possible for such a well put together video to have 1k views, yet less than 100 likes..

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure! Clearly I need to be more aggressive in telling people to SMASH that like button. Thanks for the compliment!

I think one problem I face with the MCU is accessibility. “Archive Panic,” as TvTropes calls it. Up through Endgame, I was able to keep up with everything. There were few enough movies that if you’ll missed one, you could rent it or find it one streaming to catch up before the next one came out. Now, there are too many movies, plus shows to stream, that if you get too far behind, it just doesn’t feel worth it to even try to catch up. I know that comics books had a similar problem- I remember having parts 2, 3, and 4 of a 5 part series of X-men comics as a kid. I never new how the story started or ended. But I also think movies are meant to be more accessible and less niche than comics. Basically, though, the MCU should have ended with Endgame.

Oh there is no doubt about it because I think the MCU did more harm than like we lost Avengers Earth mightiest heroes because of the MCU and Hollywood has become obsessed with Cinematic universes like Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man, Fast and Furious, DCEU, Guy Richie’s King Arthur, Dark Universe but at least Universal Monsters was the original Cinematic universe and then there was a plans for a Robin Hood Cinematic universe which good that never happened. But there is so many missed opportunities in the MCU like the big one being the Villain problem which there is a video about which you should check especially part 5.

I will say, one thing that makes me REALLY happy about Deadpool & Wolverine is the fact that Wolverine is a different character than his Fox counterpart. Because while I'm not someone who cares too much about tonal consistency or closure (I'm a massive fan of the SCP Foundation for instance) I do make an exception to that interpretation of Wolverine. Cause his ending was so perfect that adding anything else to that version of him feels like genuine blasphemy

18:43 ; just a heads-up, 'aborigines' is an outdated offensive term for aboriginal Australians. 'aboriginal people/aboriginal australians' are the preferred terms.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Wasn't aware of that!

I kind of have what seems to be a hot take but IMO, the MCU never had great writing. Most of it ranged from mediocre to subpar with the occasional pretty good script. It seemed to me that it was held together by a fantastic cast who had a great on screen chemistry and who seemed to be excited by what was being created. But this isn't maintainable. As those people leave or become less invested in the projects, that energy and charisma slips and all you're left with is the mediocre writing. This is also why any rumours of people like RDJ coming back is thoroughly unexciting because there's no way he'd capture that same flare he initially brought to the role. How can it when it's literally just an obligation the studios are making to try to entice people back in.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I think i said elsewhere in response to somebody else that it's interesting that the MCU is remarkable in my view not for having any fantastic movies, but a run of consistently good movies. Considering how many big franchises produce movies that are actively bad, it's borderline miraculous that Marvel really didn't have a movie in the whole infinity saga I'd consider to be bad. But yeah, they also didn't have anything I'd consider to be incredible

No matter how you view it, the MCU was a something of a gamble that both paired off big time in hindsight and helped reinvent the comic book movie genre to make it a bigger deal besides just Blade, X-Men and Spider-Man being surprise for Marvel in the late 90s and 2000s. However it’s comedy style and approach to a shared narrative has resulted in more misses than hits with other companies and brands so it really makes you wonder if it was worth it all or had they ended it sooner we would have preserved the better memories of it instead of the divided fandom it has become

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I think the interesting thing about the Infinity Saga is that none of the films are like... great, but at the same time pretty much none of the infinity saga films are particularly bad either, and that's an impressive batting average compared to other studios. But yeah, it would have been more impressive if they'd stopped at infinity war

I have... Very little care towards tonal consistency... Instead my bigger issue with the MCU is that it just feels like _work_ - Particularly once you get to Avengers stuff. "OK, this is a sequel to these films which are sequels to..." which if you're only really following because those happen to be the ones that interest you... Just feels exhausting in a way I somehow don't find television spinoffs to feel. Crossover fatigue is a thing in comics and I think the fundamentals of that is why I never got into the MCU.

@kcreviews8161

28 күн бұрын

Good point. It definitely is quite daunting especially if you let yourself fall a few years behind and miss a dozen TV shows and a half dozen films

Here's the thing: tonal changes and differences can work great, if you acknowledge them, (imagine if iron man was freaking out about aliens being real, and acting like a guy who spends his time running solo antiterror campains, banner is aware he is just there for the hulk, giving dark warnings about how bad it will go, and nobody know how to handle thor acting like this is just another jolly adventure. Also imply that most of them have problems actively getting worse because they have to deal with this instead) if enough bad guys got away, survived in prison, and were freshly popping up all the time, so thats why ironman cannot help cap, he has some other problems to deal with that won't politely wait.

Thor 4 introduced an entity that could grant any wish that Thor apparently always had access to, thus undermining Thanos’ entire devastation If he always had access to this why not use that instead of time heist. Future movies will undermine elements of phases 1-3

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I haven't actually seen Thor 4! My unspoken secret in making this video is that I haven't actually seen that many of the post-End Game Marvel movies. I'm just taking it on authority that they're bad. But I'm planning on marathoning them at some point soon

I think connected universes should be strictly animation when it comes to superheroes. That's the best way to do it honestly. Animation has always been better than live action in my opinion.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That makes sense! There's greater suspension of disbelief with aniamted shows as well!

@callmejacob3234

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 Also the animated shows are better written than the movies. The DCAU was a beautifully written masterpiece. No superhero film comes close to it in my opinion.

I am not sure if I should feel blessed or embarrassed at my own ignorance, but when you started talking about DC, my thought was "wait, so those are a different universe, huh".

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Haha wow I'm actually quite impressed that you've avoided a lot of the superhero stuff that's come out enough to not know that!

I think a Fantastic Four movie would be great if it was animated like Spiderverse

@kcreviews8161

25 күн бұрын

Good idea! Fantastic 4 feels like quite a cartoony concept

"The MCU was never good." ~ Scrooge McDuck

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I'd say it was never great but it was good. That's just me though

Will since you did a sequel rewrite of star wars why not do a rewrite of the mcu multiverse saga

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I might at some point, but I've definitely got a good few video ideas in my back pocket right now!

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

@youssefmesrati340 For some reason I think your comment has disappeared, but I can see it because I got a notification for it. I definitely would try to keep it close to the original! That's part of the challenge for me. In my Star Wars sequel rewrites I made a particular effort to depart from the original story as little as possible

I think there's one area of this critique that's missing. You missed the opportunity to pull back a little farther and ask if cinematic universes are a good idea at all. You'd have to look beyond the success of any movie or universe and look at the impacts on the film industry as a whole, and film as art.

They should have a ending in mind at the very start. Endgame.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! Honestly if I were in charge of a media production company I'd have one rule, which would be any idea we'd greenlight, the person would have to have a detailed idea how it's going to end from the start, because so many things just go on forever and end up unsatisfying

Yes printing money is bad. Everything dies eventually.

Look i know this your opinion and stuff but i dont think the mcu was a "bad" idea , yes marvel has been struggling with the multiverse saga with the bad writing , the kang situation but without the mcu we wouldnt have some of the best superhero movies , best superheros and best villains in history like Thanos is litterally on the top 10 best villains now thats very impressive and ironman is one of the best written characters in the mcu he goes from being a selfish billionaire to the savior of the universe if were talking about which cinematic universe was terrible then talk about the DCEU

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Fair enough, but my argument is that a lot of effort had to be put into making the MCU work. The fact that it inevitably got more and more convoluted is why I think it was destined to eventually buckle under its own weight

If the MCU was a Bad Idea, then I wish Hollywood could come up with more ideas as "Bad" as the MCU.

Had me a good chuckle around 8:36 "therethor"

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

My best ever joke

Don't show this video to the Big People from the Hollywood, they will stop watching after 3:20 and instead try to make this real

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Haha as long as they pay me royalties for my creative genius!

I'm liking your content, keep up the good work

McU has been trash for a while now.

@youssefmesrati340

Ай бұрын

Yes ever since phase 5 marvel has been a little bad but Kevin fiege and Bob iger are trying to fix it and the mcu is most likely going to reboot after avenegrs secret wars which in my expectations needs tp be better than endgame and infinity war combined

We are witnessing the birth of a BIG channel folks. Congrats dude, I hope you manage to keep the good stuff coming!

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the vote of confidence! I hope you're right!

its kinda funny that most batman fanboys are "sick" of batman fighting agaist grounded city villains insted of universal treats like darkside or doomsday. Yet this people forget the best batman stories is when they actually focus in his neo-noir world, remember batman is a masked detective not friggin goku, sure sometimes he face fantastical villains like clay face or mr freeze but theres a diference between a treat that mostly focus on stealing or killing a bunch of people by his selfish desires cause by tragic past (something very grounded when you think about it) to a dragon ball conquerors that can destroy a planet with a single finger and they either born of pure evil or just straight up assholes (something NOT very grouded at all despite beeing more fantastical than freeze and clay, but seriously what will you relate more? a scientist that was finding a cure for his dieying wife in wich he ended having a science accient now he can't live outside of the sub-zero temperatures? or a cosmic god that see living matter as a mistake and decide to destroy everything because of royal whim? people say that Matt Reeves can't adapt those type of monsters in his realistic world, while thats definitely true for darkside, both freeze and clay have such rich stories that even if you change some aspect from it you can still gave us great grounded comic book characters that can fit in the batman universe. Remember, Nolan didn't throw his joker in toxic chemicals and didn't give venom to his bane, but they are still great unique additions that fitt their universe without breking his lore

Am I the only one who thinks ALL of the mcu movies just look ugly and silly and boring? The comics are good, but those movies??

The Lord of The Rings trilogy is the greatest movie franchise in history. It is without comparison.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Ah but what if somebody argued that technically The Hobbit should be considered part of that franchise? That would definitely knock down the overall quality of the franchise, sadly If we're just talking about the LOTR trilogy then I would probably agree with you... I'd certainly struggle to think of a franchise that could compete. The other big franchises are Harry Potter and Star Wars, and I don't think they're as good

@theodorecarter6601

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 true, but I can always refer to the Rankin Bass special any day.

Man didn't even mention sony's "spiderman without spiderman " universe [or the Morbiverse, for short]

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

See I did think about mentioning that but it was sort of precluded by my definition "A cinematic universe is a franchise that contains within it multiple franchises that could otherwise be successful in their own universe" Madame Web, Morbius, and Kraven the Hunter probably would never have been box office draws. Maybe at some point I'll make a follow up video called "The Spiderman without Spiderman Universe was an AWFUL idea"

@elfascisto6549

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 that would be a great video

I once loved MCU as any other fellow end game should have been ... end ... game ...(except guardians 3 my beloved) I know I know the answer is "money" but I miss times where things could just ... end while they were great... not when nobody wanted to see them anymore (still gonna watch DP3 from nostalgia (YES I KNOW IM PART OF THE PROBLEM))

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Honestly a lot of things don't end when they should. That's my main gripe about TV shows in general

@cacyk4103

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 yeah It's sad that nowadays tv shows (or any franchise tbh) can end in 2 ways 1) they ran so long that they loose what they once were - when people watch it too much (MCU) 2) they get canceled without proper conclusion - when people "don't watch it enough" (im still pissed about "inside job") (and ofc there is secret 3rd option hollywood don't want us to know - show can end when story is finished)

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

@@cacyk4103 And then sometimes they have a set number of episodes and a complete story and you think that you're finally going to get a show with a satisfying conclusion... and you end up with Game of Thrones Season 8!

@cacyk4103

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 yeah but continuing the story isn't always bad - Yes Yes spinofs are not always ... great But things like legends of kora (avatar) Or fiona and cake(adventure time) Perfectly shows how you can 1) end "main show" with great conclusion 2) continue new stories in this setting with small cameos that might(not always *cough star wars cough) be fun addition for older viewers and to teach new cast lessons they already learned

Y'all will say anything for views

@hassledvania

6 күн бұрын

He's 1000% correct

I never liked the MCU and this is from someone who Loves Zack Snyder's films and Batman v superman and Justice league (2021)

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

At some point I might make a video about the DCEU. If I'm being honest I can't say I love those films

i have that same esv bible! annotated mythology is so fun

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Honestly I've gone off annotated Bibles recently. It's easier to just look specific passages up online to see a variety of views on them, instead of just what one specific book has to say

Bad idea??? No way. Was the MCU ever perfect? Of course not, but those movies were just so warm, captivating and delightful, and gave me so much to look forward to whenever I felt down and shitty...it was just a GREAT ride while it lasted....but what goes up must inevitably come down. Here's to the great memories though, 🍻

It's incredible that so many people didn't even get two minutes to comment 'nuh the mcu is good up until after endgame' as if that wasn't something you said

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

Yeah I did try to communicate quite clearly that I think the infinity saga was good. I get that the title might set people off but that's why the first words I say are "In this introduction I'm going to explain what I mean by the title" so that people would maybe work out that I'm not saying the MCU is bad

LETS GO IT’S OUT

About HYDRA: its role was fully explored in Agents of SHIELD, hence why it was sidelined in the movies. Steve doesn't "defeat" HYDRA, SHIELD does, from within, throughout several seasons. We also find out in the show that it didn't originate on Earth.

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

That's fair enough. i haven't watched a single Marvel TV show. I'll get on that at some point

@TabalugaDragon

Ай бұрын

@@kcreviews8161 I highly recommend AoS, it's a great show. But the beginning is quite bad. Once you get through the first half of the first season, you'll understand what I mean.

Why the DCEU a bad idea more like

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

But the DCEU wasn't a bad idea. Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Wonderwoman, the Flash, etc all in the same universe makes total sense and should have been a massive success. That's why it's so significant that it wasn't good. The main point of my video is drawing the important distinction between something being a good idea (meaning, something that was likely to work and should have worked) and something actually turning out good (which is determined by whether the creators capitalise on the benefits of the idea)

Wow. I was really excited about this channel's analysis videos after seeing the Simpsons/Family Guy one and then.... immediately the next video is a horrible take based on a similar terrible premise as IGN going "Sonic was never good" by judging the originals that were good by the metric of the modern terrible games. You've done the same thing here, just with the MCU. This is like saying because of the last season, "Game of Thrones was just bad". Or saying because of the Goblet of Fire movie "The Harry Potter series was junk".

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I think that assessment's a bit unfair. I'm not saying, "The MCU is bad because the current films are bad." I'm saying, "the MCU was an idea that was unlikely to work, therefore it's not surprising that eventually the films became bad" Edit: thanks for watching though! I don't mind people disagreeing, I just hope that I make it clear int he video what exactly my point is

@donaldduck73

Ай бұрын

​@kcreviews8161 I rest somewhere in the middle The hulk for example wouldn't have half of character he has if left alone to his own franchise Because ya. He's story only works in concept only If you actually try to sit down and watch either of his films They are both disjointed monsters in their own right And for being a big green rampage brute they both put to sleep despite him being one of my favorite marvel characters of all time

The mcu yes isnt perfect but its still beter than any other cinematic universe i can guarantee you by rewriting these projects the mcu would be perfect Thor the dark World Avengers age of ultron Captain marvel Thor love and thunder Antman and the wasp quantumania She hulk Dr strange multiverse of madness Secret invasion Falcon and the winter soldier The Marvels Black widow

@kcreviews8161

Ай бұрын

I know relativev to the MCU that's not many films but it is quite funny that you listed like a dozen films that would need rewriting!