Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5Vh2c5xj9rWiqQ.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History.

This guy seems to be just a teeny-tiny bit biased. Based on what he says, the Banderites were just a group of happy-go-lucky people convinced that their country could be independent. The mass murders of Jews and Poles were just an unfortunate thing that "happened" that had little to do with Bandera or his nationalists.

@aaabatteries9948

4 ай бұрын

Just a "teeny tiny bit" lmao. This guy is just an Ukranian Propaganda mouthpiece, and a Nazi defender lmao.

@user-wr8fg4lh5v

4 ай бұрын

🤡🤡🤡"it happens bro"

@user-lc9pt4kn9z

4 ай бұрын

Verification question, what do you think about Putin?

@Beery1962

4 ай бұрын

@@user-lc9pt4kn9z I don't think much of anything of Putin. Just another in a long line of narcissistic megalomaniacs who rise, like scum, to the top of any political system. Putin, Biden, Trump, Zelenskyy: they're all the same.

@user-kd8jx9ze9u

3 ай бұрын

Horrific times and a bunch of atrocities all sides

I don't know who Stepan Bandera was, but I am sure he would receive a standing ovation from the Parliament of Canada.

@timmy-wj2hc

4 ай бұрын

Yaroslav Hunka agrees.

@Defort-jd8xe

4 ай бұрын

and his picture is on every wall in the offices of Ukrainian leaders. That is a fact. They‘re not hiding it.

@alesh4654

4 ай бұрын

😂

@Pisdjezz

3 ай бұрын

😂Only clicked on the Video, because as someone you could call a hobby-historian this is such a hilariously stupid question to ask.

@user-ef5ww2tv3p

Ай бұрын

😂

- Was he a Nazi? - Yeah, he was a classical nationalist wtf?

You should ask polish people what they think of bandera.

@QED_

4 ай бұрын

No, _you_ should ask Ukrainian people what they think of Polish oppression of Ukraine in this period . . .

@m.mm.m9277

4 ай бұрын

@@QED_ Hmm Polish oppression or Holodomor yeah i wonder which side of the border you would pick

@Asciiterix

4 ай бұрын

Or the Jews, as if Pogroms never happened in Lwow

@sergeikuznetzov4110

4 ай бұрын

​@@QED_Tragedia Wołynia check it

@whoisthis3038

4 ай бұрын

why toilet so shiny? cause polish

So in summary, he was a misunderstood guy who enjoyed long walks on the beach and candle lit dinners.

@Defort-jd8xe

4 ай бұрын

Walks on the beach on sundays.. Holocaust on mondays.

@Beery1962

4 ай бұрын

Yup. He sounds like a lovely guy. Based on this totally unbiased historian's view, it's hard to see why any Jew or Pole living in Lviv in 1941 or in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia might have anything to fear from Bandera's supporters. While they might have been just a smidgen antisemitic (wait, antisemitic is the wrong word - they were just a bit... standoffish with Jews), it wasn't like they would murder thousands of Jews or anything.

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

Wait a minute. Aren’t you talking about Stalin and his policies 😂

@Defort-jd8xe

4 ай бұрын

@@HankSemoreButz He's talking about the nazi from Ukraine.

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

@@Defort-jd8xe ohhhhh. Couldn’t see the difference from the Soviet Union 😬

A Nazi isn't Nazi if this "historian" said so.

@arphaksad01

4 ай бұрын

what it comes down to is that my Nazi is good Nazi but your Nazi is bad Nazi

What amazes me is that he criticizes Tucker for not asking Putin difficult questions, but when he interviews people like this he just lets them talk all sort of bullshit without ever asking the real questions. Like, ....hey people say he was a nazi...is that true? Nah man that's all propaganda. Ow okay thanks dude! This is barely an interview, it's just some Ukrainian dude telling how awesome Ukraine is and how bad Russia is while Lex is just sitting there looking serious and pretending to make notes. I have seen him do it with Tucker as well, nazis in Ukraine.......naaah fairytales!!! What are you doing dude? That's not how you interview people, you know better.

@jakobm1347

4 ай бұрын

This is one of the most important living historians of Eastern Europe you absolute tool.

@topedgeboxing1893

4 ай бұрын

Have u ever maybe think hes telling the truth and russis is lying? Stalin collaborated with nazis and killed millions of people and hes a hero in russia. Do u have a problem with that??? Here is a list of countries that collaborated with nazis Italy, Japan, h Albania, Bulgaria, Finland, Hungary, Romania, Thailand, oh and russia. Should russia attack them now???

@intelstockcooler9686

4 ай бұрын

That's what we call a "bias".

@jakobm1347

4 ай бұрын

This is not some “dude”. This is one of the most renowned historians of Eastern Europe in the world. Tell me, who are you, where are your scientific credentials to question anything whatsoever he is saying?

@SDFenix

4 ай бұрын

@@jakobm1347he’s just some hack who gets promoted because he serves American political interests.

Any attempts to rehabilitate the fascist Bandera are pure madness - sooner or later we will rewrite history books sayin that 3rd SS totenkopf division was a bunch of hippies loving their country

@sashaalex5476

4 ай бұрын

You know that Stalin was an ally of Hitler?

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

Kind of like the Soviet Union under Stalin 🤷🏻‍♂️

@brookwhiteman9810

4 ай бұрын

He was in jail the entire time that mass murder or poles happened and he had no way to control it so what the fuck do you want. The guy gets thrown in the trash when he wanted a independent Ukraine then got jailed for it and while he was kept in jail terrible things happened which are now just seen as his doing.

@user-lc9pt4kn9z

4 ай бұрын

Which part he said that, you just like russian narrative about Bandera

@Project25O1

2 ай бұрын

​@@brookwhiteman9810 Oh no, the poor guy 😢

A Hero?🤦‍♂️🤡 They should ask the Polish, Belarusians and Russians what they think of the Banderites.

@QED_

4 ай бұрын

No, _you_ should ask Ukrainians what they think of Polish and Russian oppression of Ukraine in this period . . .

@Ealendir

4 ай бұрын

@@QED_ to Polish? fu west bots in auto mode...

@radicalmind5742

4 ай бұрын

This guy is defended Bandera who murdered over 100, 000 Jews and 60, 000 Poles, over 40,000 Russians. This guy can not be trusted.

@whoisthis3038

4 ай бұрын

why toilet so shiny? cause polish

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

@@QED_good point

I think this historian is not very objective even though he pretends to be. It's a fact that Bandera was a Nazi in the same way as Ante Pavelic was in Croatia, which nobody denies.

@tomoh160

4 ай бұрын

Yes, nobody in Croatia today would deny that, and is aware of how evil and horrible Pavelic was, and a huge enemy of Croatia at his core. Him and his puppet regime were traitors of his nation and committed huge crimes at the command of a foreign force, and planned to tear the country apart after WW2, in fact already singed some documents to give half of Croatia to Italy after the war. Nobody in Europe, in any country where fascists took command in WW2, celebrates them today. Except Ukraine. And that's worrying.

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. Nazis didn’t get send to concentration camps 🤷🏻‍♂️

@SpaseRistov

4 ай бұрын

​@@HankSemoreButzfrom Wikipedia "Historian Per Anders Rudling said that Bandera and his followers "advocated the selective breeding to create a 'pure' Ukrainian race",[13] and that "the OUN shared the fascist attributes of anti-liberalism, anti-conservatism, and anti-communism, an armed party, totalitarianism, antisemitism, Führerprinzip, and adoption of fascist greetings. Its leaders eagerly emphasized to Hitler and Ribbentrop that they shared the Nazi Weltanschauung and a commitment to a fascist New Europe."[115]

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

@@SpaseRistov and if I’m reading that wiki page correctly. This was his opinion on the OUN and not necessarily Bandera. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@SpaseRistov

4 ай бұрын

@@HankSemoreButz yes and Bandera was a Ukrainian far-right leader of the radical militant wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). Use your two brain cells and figure out what this means...

Was never asked about Tragedia Wołynia

@DanyYnady

4 ай бұрын

Why do russian cry about bandera when stalin comited more genocide and attrotities, fought along side hit ler also to capture poland.The russian people worship stalin 😂😂😂 who is ten times the villain bandera is

@sashaalex5476

4 ай бұрын

Што? 😏

@sergeikuznetzov4110

Ай бұрын

@@sashaalex5476 Волинська трагедія

@casperado666

Ай бұрын

Akcja Visla? Never heard about that?

Yes lets hear an ukrainian nationalist explaining to an ukrainian jew how things really are.

@lugiasimply6054

Ай бұрын

Fridman is of Russian-Jewish descent...

Lvov massacre much? Ask uncomfortable questions man

He didn't mention the massacres of UIA against Jews and gypsies in western Ukraine.

@mariuszstanisawczyk8990

2 ай бұрын

First of all - genocide of Poles which was done since 1939 till 1947. Savage in execution and named 'genocidium atrox'.

Leaving aside the comparison to Stalin who, unlike Bandera, was the head of a state; it's long been understood that states can do things that are considered crimes when done by individuals. Plus, those who like Stalin aren't considered allies of the West in the way Bandera's fans are. Also, it isn't just Bandera. It's the general rehabilitation, by the Ukrainian *government*, of people who committed some of the worst atrocities of WWII, like Roman Shukhevych, who massacred thousands of Poles. He has a soccer stadium named for him in Ternopil. Ukrainian nationalists or Russian propaganda didn't do that, the city government did.

@radicalmind5742

4 ай бұрын

This fool is a Banderite, and Ukie Nationalist.

@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462

4 ай бұрын

Stalin and the USSR were part of the allies but, as much as we didn't like 'em and for good reason. Even if Uncle Joe is was worst then Hitler. He was on our side. Bandera never was.

@Beery1962

4 ай бұрын

@@user-hg9fy2pg9r Blaming Banderites for what happened in Lviv and Wolyn, and blaming the many modern Ukrainian soldiers for wearing Nazi patches is fact, not deflection.

@sashaalex5476

4 ай бұрын

And where is proof of that? in the KGB ?

@AaSs-ln9mm

4 ай бұрын

​@@sashaalex5476Try google.

How come all those cool Ukrainian Battalion symbols seem to look just like Nazi symbols? You guys just like the same Design Elements?

@Beery1962

4 ай бұрын

I'm sure that, according to Serhii Plokhy, the fact that the Ukrainian nationalists choose those symbols is just a complete coincidence.

@sashaalex5476

4 ай бұрын

Z is literally nazi mark

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

You can see their history in Wiki

@user-ne4ip2io4q

4 ай бұрын

HOW ABOUT NAZI UTKIN AND HIS WAGNER GROUP!

@TheEarl777

4 ай бұрын

Azov for example. Who get the best equipment and not the suicide missions.

Stunning! Nationalism it was, extreme nationalism as well, but he won't mention the right term, which is "ethno-nationalism". It also means ethnic cleansing. If not Bandera and his comrades Shukevich, and Simon Petlura, who exactly was responsible for Ukranian nationalists' pogroms against Jews, Poles and Hungarians?

Quite the revisionist view. A good biography on Bandera was wrote by a Grzegorz Rossolinski-Liebe a few years back.

@Shankar-Bhaskar

4 ай бұрын

Yes, I have that book. It's quite detailed and thorough. The author was doing his PhD on The History of Ukrainian Nationalism, I believe.

So he admits that Bandera was "just" a nationalist that used terrorism (assassinations) to achieve his political goals, collaborated with the Nazis during WW2,, etc. - but is largely a myth as he was never really in Ukraine much? Is this a serious person? Bin Laden wasn't anywhere near the Al-Qaeda attacks...Hitler was no where near the front lines in the east or west (maybe for a a few days at a time), Marx had wasn't even around to see anyone attempt to implement his trash etc. This guy is gaslighting on behalf of white supremecist nazis in that one's physical presence matters when evaluating the impact of their ideas. Considering his high level of intelligence, hard not to conclude this guy is anything but malevolent in his speech.

@kopyloffandrew

2 ай бұрын

The issue is that Ukrainian people who didn't use assassinations as a political tool at the time at the place we all killed. By Russians( you can call them soviets, makes little difference), Germans, Hungarians, Poles, other Ukrainians, but mainly Russians and Germans. Radicals don't just show up on the scene, they show up on the empty scene. The scene emptied because of violence at scale for decades.

@Alex-jv5cs

2 ай бұрын

@@kopyloffandrew ​​⁠I’m sorry. You’re not going to convince me that Bandera’s evil “comes from a good and necessary place”. And there is a difference between Soviets and Russians. Shall we count the millions of Russian bodies that were piled up when the Soviets took over Russia? Both ukranians and Russians (and others) are victims of Soviet regime atrocities.

Is it possible to consider Bandera outside the activities of those who called themselves his followers? What is not mentioned here is that for the entire duration of the Second World War, detachments of Ukrainian nationalists were used as occupation police. Not only on the territory of Ukraine, but also in the occupied territories of Russia and Poland. And they especially distinguished themselves by the massacre of Polish peasants. For the reason that it was in the Poles and not in the Russians that Bandera saw the most vicious oppressors of Ukraine. He killed Polish officials, not Russian ones. The Bandera detachments were also responsible for identifying Jews, communists, partisans and any persons not loyal to Nazi Germany. These detachments wore fascist uniforms and obeyed the fascist command. It's strange for those who do not share the ideology of fascism, isn't it? When did the Bandera detachments act against the Nazis? Only when the Nazis fled leaving Ukraine. And according to the evidence, what the Ukrainians demanded from the fascists was to hand over their weapons. What were they doing when Ukraine came under the control of the Soviet army. They avoided clashes with the troops while killing the Ukrainian population who came into contact with the Soviet troops. And so Bandera, is this some kind of separate entity or the one who created the Ukrainian Nazi Party? Bandera was not with his supporters because he did not show proper obedience in the role that was assigned to him. But that's all that distinguishes him from Hitler's other henchmen. Hitler did not pick up a gun, and did not shoot Jews. He could say that it was done because of a misunderstanding of his thesis. Maybe Hitler is not a fascist?

@TheEarl777

4 ай бұрын

Thankyou. And well put.

Its year 2024 and we can see iron crosses on ukrainian tanks.

@user-ne4ip2io4q

4 ай бұрын

AND IN WW1 GERMAN JEWISH GENERALS WORE THEM AS WELL.

@Aktoto1

4 ай бұрын

and?

@user-ne4ip2io4q

4 ай бұрын

The iron cross predates the Nazis DF.@@Aktoto1

@Aktoto1

4 ай бұрын

@@user-ne4ip2io4q sure, ukrainians are history buffs.

@user-ne4ip2io4q

4 ай бұрын

And you rode in the short bus to school.@@Aktoto1

The right question that should have been asked but forgotten conveniently in this clip was whether the nationalists were involved in genocide by the Nazi's? And if yes, why? Because following the ideology of the Nazi or fascists is completely different from actively participating in the genocide committed by the Nazi's.

Лет через 10-20 Лекс будет спрашивать кто такой Гитлер, был ли он нацистом.

I think you left out a part lol

@Defort-jd8xe

4 ай бұрын

the mass murdering and Holocaust, which Bandera was part of 👀

Yes. He was.

Ok, I get it, Bandera was just misunderstood and was a great guy. Then I’m very interested in how this completely unbiased historian would explain the glorification of the SS Volunteer Battalion Galicia? They are the heroes of half the soldiers, many SBU employees and even part of the government. Let me guess, their actions are also simply distorted by “mythology”? 🤦

@henningstedtfeld7121

4 ай бұрын

This 'historian' has also answered your question: the members of the SS division Galicia joined because of misguided "idealism"!

@Project25O1

2 ай бұрын

​@@henningstedtfeld7121And you really believe that?

@henningstedtfeld7121

2 ай бұрын

@@Project25O1 Believe what? That the members of the SS division Galicia joined because of misguided idealism? Nope. Bandera, OUN, SS division Galicia, Battalion Nightingale etc. were Anti-Semites, Anti-Polish, Anti-Russian fascists...

@henningstedtfeld7121

2 ай бұрын

@@Project25O1 Believe what? That the members of the SS division Galicia joined because of misguided idealism? Nope, they were facists.

This guy is full of crap

@vrsimulo1234

4 ай бұрын

Yup

@onni5302

4 ай бұрын

How's so?

@HankSemoreButz

4 ай бұрын

Lex? He’s Russian

@eduardtarniceriu102

3 ай бұрын

Why ? His explanation doesn’t fit your narrative ?

@yorchibarra4066

2 ай бұрын

There is narrativa and there is history. Read some history.

now bring in a real historian

@SpaseRistov

4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@zacharypereira1450

4 ай бұрын

Like who Putin and his 30 minute rambling on Russian history during his Tucker interview. Serhii Plokhy holds a habilitation degree in history from Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv and is currently the Mykhailo Hrushevsky professor[a] of Ukrainian history at Harvard University, where he also serves as the director of the Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute. He is credentialed and he has the qualification to be regarded as a legit historian. Just because you disagree doesn't make him a fake historian

@artem7023

4 ай бұрын

@@zacharypereira1450I hope you know Ukrainian history was rewritten in 1991 to fit their nationalist narrative… a big portion of it is not factual. Putin actually presented documented facts clearly it went over your head.. let’s hope Lex brings in an opposite point of view and doesn’t just leave it here with this guys BS.

@artem7023

4 ай бұрын

@@zacharypereira1450additionally, maybe you don't know this, but Ukrainian history was rewritten in 1991 to fit their nationalist narrative. Thus, a big portion of it is not factual. Putin presented documented facts obviously that went over your head. Lets hope Lex brings in a opposite opinion and doesn't end it here with this guy's blatant BS.

@artem7023

4 ай бұрын

@@zacharypereira1450 additionally, maybe you don't know this, but Ukrainian history was rewritten in 1991 to fit their nationalist narrative. Thus, a big portion of it is not factual. Putin presented documented facts obviously that went over your head. Lets hope Lex brings in a opposite opinion and doesn't end it here with this guy's blatant Lies

Mind you all people, that if you want to compete of who was the purest during that horrible war - there’s only one country who nucked cities.. and it’s not to blame, it’s to point out that no one was innocent during that horrific times

Bandera in German concentration camp had two room apartment and was being served meals from SS canteen :-).

Just say it: Bandera was Nazi collaborator, killing thousands Jews , Soviets and Polish. In any normal country he would be considered big time criminal, but he is national hero in Ukraine.

@wojciechtaras8331

3 ай бұрын

They murdered almost exclusively civilians, mainly women and children. his ideology was typically racist nazi... what a shame Lex

Criminal

My understanding of propaganda, according to Edward Bernays' definition, makes me wonder if Prof. wants the audience of this podcast to take his side because.

It’s crazy how he says “Nazi Collaboration” as though they just kind of ignored the Nazis, and not that they had a specific (and similar goal) of ethnic cleansing

My Polish told me stories of his father fighting Ukrainians "Upa".

This "historian" is borderline delusional. Go fact-check some dates and historical occurrences you are talking about first, old man.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

How about what Putin said, that part of Ukraine is Russian?

@QED_

4 ай бұрын

Fact. Crimea is Russian. So is Donbas. And half of everything else east of the Dnieper River . . .

@radicalmind5742

4 ай бұрын

Truth

@OffGridInvestor

4 ай бұрын

Krushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine as a gift. Got video of a Ukrainian saying it YEARS before the war.

@416raptor6

4 ай бұрын

@@QED_most russia is mongolia

@realityhurts8090

4 ай бұрын

ukraine never existed, never no writers, no books, no maps ,no currency, no documents, no nothing , they are russian their history started 1991, and still nobody

This person is shameless lier.

the link between Ukrainian nationalists and neo-nazis is something that I've been pondering a lot lately. glad to see Lex made a video on this

Sounds like this guy works in the minister of truth alongside Winston!

@Lex Your guest "forgot" about massacre of Polish people in Wolyn. Bandera and racist ideology of Ukrainian nationalists was the key. Mr Serhii Plokhy not even tried to be more historian than man with Ukrainian roots.

Russians love this video.

Bandera lived in part of Ukraine controlled by Poland haha what a good objective expert Truth , He was born in polish territory controlled by Austo Hungarian empire during partition of Poland and then lived in Poland after poland regained its independence.

Your copy paste looks like victim blaming.

Yes, he was.

And now those dogs treat bandera like a hero

The true title of this podcast shout be - Was Bandera worse or just as bad as Nazis.

This dude is soooo fishy… 😀😀

People do not Understand there are 4 diffrent types Ukrainians. 1) Russified Ukrainians 2) Polonized Ukrainians 3) Germanized Ukrainians or Austrian Ukrainisns 4) Ukrainians proper.

@vvp_rus

4 ай бұрын

There are only Ukrainized Slavs. Russians.

@tulta3631

4 ай бұрын

Missing Hungarian Ukranians (150,000 of them)

He was in jail at the time of the Polish massacre He didn't hurt any Poles

@fivof8751

23 күн бұрын

Ахахах, что?) А во Львове бандеровцы поляков не убивали?)

@TOTALNGERDEATH

23 күн бұрын

@@fivof8751 english?

@fivof8751

23 күн бұрын

@@TOTALNGERDEATH what about Lvov? Bandera killed not only Jews there, but also Poles. One of Bandera's quotes: «Народ! Знай! Москва, Польша, мадьяры, жидова - это твои враги. Уничтожай их! Знай! Твое руководство - это Провод украинских националистов, это ОУН. Твой вождь - Степан Бандера». You may translate it if u want.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend, that's why cooperation with Nazis, but anyway they threw him in jail during the war. That was no idea for free Ukraine for Germany.

This historian does not understand the topic he is talking about. 1. Hitler also did not personally exterminate people in gas chambers. Bandera was in the political sector of the counter-camp. In 1944, after he was released from there, he continued to fight on the side of the Nazis. Bandera was the leader of the OUN-b. OUN-b is a Nazi organization whose doctrine included the genocide of Poles, Russians and Jews. OUN-b fought on the side of the Nazis throughout the war. 2. Stalin was not a Nazi. Just like Chamberlain and Deladier, who collaborated with Hitler long before Stalin did, were not Nazis. Stepan Bandera and his organization OUN-b were Nazis. Not figuratively, but literally. They were genocidalists who were directly responsible for numerous, mass murders based on ethnicity. One of their most famous “works” was the Volyn massacre during which the OUN-b killed 120 thousand Poles. 3. The goal of the OUN-b and its leader Stepana Bandera was not an independent Ukraine. Their goal was a Nazi, independent Urkaina in which there were no Poles, Jews and Russians. This is all stated in the OUN-b doctrine. Lex provides screenshots from Wikipedia confirming the professor’s words. Lex didn’t try to read the article about OUN-b on his own? All this is indicated there if you scroll through the article below.

Are they seriously asking this question? Really? Wow they have fallen

Lex u not ah russian anymore cmon man i respect your work but this is unacceptable

this guy seems apologist for fascists, i am surprised Lex failed to condemn him

wow lex, thats a new LOW!

@Beery1962

4 ай бұрын

Yes, asking a professor questions and then letting him answer - totally uncalled for! 🤡

@borisnikator7060

4 ай бұрын

Where did he find that clown and why did he put him in a row with a lot of respected people that he talked to 😢

@awsysumer3814

4 ай бұрын

@@borisnikator7060what did he said that you don’t agree with? I mean, he didn’t express his opinion, he told what was written in history books. If we read about Bandera, he fought against the nazis and was imprisoned by them which this fact for me was totally outrageous. But yeah🤷🏻‍♂️, he committed crimes against polish people which is condemned by the vast majority of ukrainians. I don’t think it’s right to pay attention to the facts that suit us and ignore those which don’t. Cheers

@borisnikator7060

4 ай бұрын

@@awsysumer3814 this Bandera killed poles, russians and jews. Massacred them. That is why Russia has to end the regime that cultivates such monsters. His history is false. About Rus and its roots. And he knows it.

Very informative thank you

Lol what a BS

The Ukro Mad Baron

I wholly agree with Professor Serhii on this informative history lesson.

the word "Bandera" activates Russian trolls on the internet😂

@SparrowNiner

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean? From my perspective they seem to love bringing up Bandera! They talk about him every chance they get 😂

@themakerofmagic

4 ай бұрын

You should see what the word 'h!tl3r' does to some people in the middle east!

@tomoh160

4 ай бұрын

The fact that you find that funny proves you're either dumb or a troll yourself. That's like claiming that "Jewish trolls" get activated any time someone mentions Hitler in a positive contest and makes excuses for what he did, and that's somehow funny...?

@awsysumer3814

4 ай бұрын

It’s the red fabric for the russians.

interesting nuanced take on Bandera. (I still think Bandera was a extremist)

Your copy paste looks like victim blaming.