Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5Vh2c5xj9rWiqQ.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History.

@Narrowcros

4 ай бұрын

Funny when Ukraine is the victim no interruptions are present lmao

I hail from Siberia, the Asian region of Russia. My grandfather endured a period of famine, and he shared numerous unsettling tales with me about that challenging time. Thus, it's not just a Ukrainian narrative; it's a shared experience transcending borders.

This lesson was taught long long ago. You can't just "get rid of the bad people" and then be left with a good society. The flood in the Bible, whether you believe it happened or not, showed that even after killing off all those evil people, the ones who survived and multiplied afterwards were just as bad.

There was holodomor on Privolzhie Volga regions as well, now these regions are Tatarstan, Bashkortostan.

@М.Столић

4 ай бұрын

In addition, there was famine in Romania during the same years.

@xandr13

4 ай бұрын

Your point being?

@trogdortpennypacker6160

4 ай бұрын

Kazakhs suffered the most but they call it something different then Holdomor. Georgian persecution of Russians, Ukrainians, and Kazakhs. Damn Stalin

@xxvxxv5588

4 ай бұрын

​@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Stalin joined into Russian social democratic labour party which later transformed into communist party of Soviet Union. Stalin saw himself as someone who belong to Russian political nation.

@xxvxxv5588

4 ай бұрын

Holodomor is term which created to describe artificially created famine in populated mostly by Ukrainians territories which caused by systemic anti-ukrainian politics of Stalinist Soviet Russia. This term shouldn't be trivialised and used to describe really every famine.

Grandmother told stories on when Ukrainians died from starvation in Eastern Ukraine russians came from russia and were taking houses of those who died to settle there, before 1933 there were no russians on that territory. Thank you for inviting Mr. Plokhy to interview people have to hear the truth

@WangMingGe

4 ай бұрын

Very true. In the city in Ukraine where I live (Vinnytsia; my family originally comes from Ternopil which escaped the Holodomor by being in Poland, thankfully), it is full of Russians. And they act like they have every right to the place, even though they came as murderers and thieves within the lifetime of my grandparents and parents (although Soviet propaganda happily criticized America, for example, over colonial history 100- 300 years prior, nobody of which alive today experienced). It;s not just old people. The younger generation grows up with their parents' stories of when they were the big bosses in the KGB, police and government. They wish for those days back. Many refuse to learn Ukrainian at all, or, refuse to speak it even though they learned it in school. They do not go back to Russia because in Russia they would be poor and ordinary. Here they (they hope) will be masters again.

@ngs960

4 ай бұрын

@@WangMingGeduring 80th education in Eastern Ukraine was forcibly russified, 3 first years in the primary schools everything was in russian language, lessons of Ukrainian language began on 4th year with 3 hours per week the same as foreign language for example french. Plus very strong propaganda that russian is language of elite and Ukrainian language belongs to farmers. But, i never herd before that Ukrainian nation or language does not exist, this narative was created by putin

I'm eagerly waiting to finally find truth about the protoukranians digging the black sea from this historian

@xandr13

4 ай бұрын

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@vasiliykryuchkov7130

4 ай бұрын

@@xandr13 my fsb handler is busy with your mom

@WangMingGe

4 ай бұрын

The Russians - I have learned from living here in Ukraine - cannot be reasoned with or educated with facts or data. Only force will teach them not to invade and savagely rule over their neighbours. @@xandr13

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@Koz4concern

4 ай бұрын

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@serafimdev

4 ай бұрын

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@dmitrybashmakov900

4 ай бұрын

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@WangMingGe

4 ай бұрын

As someone who lives in Ukraine, and who knows many ethnic Russians here, it is a sad fact that most of them are probably actual people, not computers, since 90+ % of tthose I've met, even though they are Ukrainian citizens and sometimes young enough they were born in independent Ukraine, they are rabid supporters of bringing back Russian rule. Not all love Putin, not all are communists, but they all believe Ukraine belongs to Russia. So, it is very natural someone commenting on KZread videos might share these views.

Maybe he can explain Babyi Yar? 🤷

@nikolaikuchumov8916

4 ай бұрын

Ukraine recognises it, there's a new memorial e.t.c He didn't mention de-cossackination decret, which resulted in genocide of Cossacks of Don river. Even Hitler did not succeed in genocide, whereas Trotsky did. We remember it by blood.

@AaSs-ln9mm

4 ай бұрын

​@@nikolaikuchumov8916 For sure, Ukraine not only recognised it, but named nearest street after Stepan Bandera 😂

@decekfrokfr3mdx

4 ай бұрын

@@AaSs-ln9mm The USSR resisted acknowledging Babyn Yar until the mid-1970s, and even when finally erecting a memorial in 1976, kept it very small and refused to acknowledge Jews as the primary victims. Upon independence in 1991, Ukraine built a large memorial to the Jewish people murdered in Babyn Yar, including a synagogue.

@AaSs-ln9mm

3 ай бұрын

@@decekfrokfr3mdx Soviet Ukraine resisted. Now they stop being Soviet and not only resist, but actively promote Stephan Bandera, certain ancient symbol and marching with torches.

just FYI information, that happened across all southern agricultural areas in the country (i suppose it is USSR). I would say is that collectivism and communism is bad, but playing a victim card for Ukraine here - it is not good at all.

@carkawalakhatulistiwa

4 ай бұрын

If 3,5 million Ukraina,0,5million Russia and 2 million Kazakh death why The victim only Ukraina in 1930

@user-wj6dt5bq3w

4 ай бұрын

US uses Holodomor to create a wedge between Russians and Ukrainians for the benefit of US imperialism.

@xxvxxv5588

4 ай бұрын

Am an Ukrainian and I want to say that we don't think about themselves as part of Soviet Union. And we don't think about events happened in Russia for example and most other territories controlled by "Soviet Union" as something important. What's really matter for us it's our tragedies.

"100 years before that human lives were valued . There were slaves..." lol what? This man really thinks slaves' lives were valued?

@tomharner83

4 ай бұрын

Yes, "valued"... as in "had a value, even if it's only a numerical value".

@AaSs-ln9mm

4 ай бұрын

In Russian Empire you can be given life sentence for killing your serfs.

@MG-oh1ew

4 ай бұрын

He explained the numerical value. He did not say they were treated well at all. It was just not a strategy to wipe out a population/perform a genocide.

Plokhy refers to "turning the page on fascism and communism". How does he feel about Ukraine's embrace of fascism by elevating two notorious fascists, Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych (this last one also being a mass murderer of Jews, Poles and Belarusians) to the status of National Heroes of Ukraine?

Cute the amateurs are just learning about this and from a news outlet no less lmao

there were many famines in the world such as (Persian famine of 1917 and 1943), (Great India Famine of 1876, Indian famine of 1896 and 1899, Bengal famine of 1943), (Chinese famine of 1906, 1928, and 1942), (Russian empire 1891), And what about other famines in the Soviet Union 1921and 1946). And why is it only the 1930 famine that killed 3.5 million Ukrainians, 2 million Kazakhs, and 0.5 million Russians that gets a special name and only Ukrainians get the status of victims. while Russia and Kazakhs do not. holodomor is just a buzzer word. because the west hated the economic growth of the Soviet Union during the 1930s. while the capitalist economy is all over the place. At least Gaza Strip famine 2023 should have a special name too, bro.#consistent

@dingus6317

4 ай бұрын

Bolsheviks intentionally starved Khulak farmers for being self-sufficient and Christian

@user-wj6dt5bq3w

4 ай бұрын

No, Holodomor was a real tragic thing that the US NGOs pumped up in the 1990's to create this wedge between Ukrainians and Russians for the benefit of US imperialism. It all led to 2014 and Maidan.

@Chris-cf2kp

4 ай бұрын

It was explained in the video if you'd pay attention. The USSR sequestered food from Ukraine by force and with punishment of death for withholding food for their own survival. That is why Russia at that time in history does not qualify whatsoever as a victim.

@martinbrezina575

4 ай бұрын

@@Chris-cf2kp The USSR does not equal Russia.

@martinbrezina575

4 ай бұрын

@@Chris-cf2kp en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politburo_of_the_16th_Congress_of_the_All-Union_Communist_Party_(Bolsheviks)

Just starting. If this is the story of the 1921/22 famine there is an excellent documentary on PBS. I don't know if it will be mentioned but Hoover was given the job to run the relief efforts. IN 1922. Oh, another different famine entirely. Slava Ukrainia.

@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns

4 ай бұрын

That was the famine resuting from the Russian Civil War.

@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns

4 ай бұрын

This refers to the 1932-34 famine in Ukraine and Southern Russia.

@paulfelkner6749

4 ай бұрын

Airlift in 1921? Sure there was, and Walter Duranty and the NYTs got awards for this false reporting, but your version is truly over the top.

@jackstraw4129

4 ай бұрын

@@paulfelkner6749 I haven't seen it in 13 years but you are correct. I can accept fact checks. Can you?

@BearActivities

4 ай бұрын

The whole world was in a Great Depression in the early 30’s. “Holodomor” was the early 30’s. It was not intentional from Russia or the work of Russia.

If you actually study the data you will learn the crops increased massively after collectivisation started. So you can't actually make it the reason people began starving in certain regions. The sheer scale of the catastrophe suggests there was a combination of reasons both climatic, political and economic which put Soviet Union in a bad spot. I mean the drop of prices at the global market. Lot's of crop was lost due to poor applying of technology and pure sabotage of those who opposed collectivisation. The government AS THE DATA SUGGESTS actually put lots of effort to stop the famine, decreasing export and supplying the regions which suffered. This is an already declassified you just go and read that. Numerous orders and docs are available. And of course this topic is heavily politicised. It was like that in the 1930-s, Nazi used this Holodomor myth (which imply that the famine is purely architected) to brainwash people at the occupied regions. It is sad we still repeat it even though we ALREADY posses a huge amount of data which condradict that genocide narrative. And btw the scale of famine, millions of casualties - it is also a kind of a ariphmetic game. Vastly exxagarated so it looks scarier.

@DeoNone69

3 ай бұрын

you're preaching the choir, thank you

@redderred

2 ай бұрын

put lots of effort to stop the famine orc, report him

@nikogdatakogo

2 ай бұрын

@@redderred data supports it. That is why the only thing you can do - is ti try to shut me up. Pathetic.

This was a revenge for the pale of settlement and pogroms

@seanp9277

4 ай бұрын

Lazar Kaganovich

Sounds like they're talking about Israelis treatment of Palestinians

@BasedHadrian

4 ай бұрын

Watch out you can’t speak out against the Jews

@RckyIRL

4 ай бұрын

Lol

@nikolaikuchumov8916

4 ай бұрын

Israel doesn't make money out of Gaza, but Stalin did

@nikogdatakogo

4 ай бұрын

@@nikolaikuchumov8916 you suggest Stalin killed people so he could make money of it? How? If you follow that logic it would make much more sense to KEEP the workers alive so you can exploit them further. The famine actually damages the economy. Even if you take all the crop, sell it WHERE would you take more if the suppliers are no longer there? I mean your view is not sustainable in your own logic. Quit following myths and old narratives spoonfed to you by western media so you do not ask questions about indians and irish starved to death by brits.

@siyar-mc1xz

4 ай бұрын

You sure boi?