Love your videos, the theological, anthropological, linguistic, and historical analyses all tie together into a coherent and well constructed argument for your point of view of these peoples in history.

Not sure how you can say that the later day Greeks were confused. It was well known among the Greeks that there were 2-3 nations of Ethiopians. You say the Aethiopians were a mythical people, that maybe the Greeks were talking about East Indians and then you say reference Memno leading a party of "Aethiopians and Indians".

@Dennodq

7 ай бұрын

He's actually the one being political

@bellafinispizza

7 ай бұрын

One of the Greek philosophers called Ethiopians white, but he said the lower parts of africa had flat noses wide nostrils and are not to be visited ever! For they will eat you…Lol

@missk1942

6 ай бұрын

Which Greek Philisopher was this?

@saratmodugu2721

4 ай бұрын

@@bellafinispizzathe Khoisan? Look them up because they are light skinned

@agentofchaos7456

4 ай бұрын

@@missk1942 He made it up.

Thanks for a very interesting video

Thanks for sharing the results of your deep research. These are fascinating histories we'd never have time to do for ourselves. Bravo!

Awesome content. I think this channel is seriously underrated.

Well presented and explained with your usual clarity Kevin. I hope you do more like this, i find it all very interesting. Thank you.

@3rdeye671

11 ай бұрын

Judging by the comments though maybe you weren't so clear that he is a mythical representation of the pre-dawn. Most here are arguing over racial issues. So they either didn't watch the video or are just off on their own bigoted tangent.

@3rdeye671

11 ай бұрын

@@LancetFencing I think it is you who are being devisive. Why are you putting your own racial spin on this when the video clearly explains that it is about a mythological representation of the pre-dawn Sun. It is only you who is choosing to make this into a racial issue. Are you a rascist then? Trying to turn people against each other on racial lines is very rascist thinking. You should be ashamed of your divisive, discriminatory and inflammable talk.

@EudaimonV

2 ай бұрын

​​@@3rdeye671you are literally putting words in his mouth. He is explaining that the modern Idea Afrocentric people have of making everyone black is wrong and there is more to the story. You should reflect upon yourself on your accusations about him Do better..

@3rdeye671

2 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV it seems the person i was replying to has deleted their comments. The context wasn't so much about his opposition to Afrocentrism, which i myself also oppose, but his approach is to do exactly the same as the Afrocentrists but from the white perspective. Both approaches are the same thing and i oppose any that try to apply any sort of bias to known information or want to ignore information that they just don't like to hear. It is wrong to misrepresent anything.

@EudaimonV

2 ай бұрын

@@3rdeye671 Ok it seemed that your comment was towards the video. Glad to hear that you also understand the meaning of what is written. There are a lot of Afrocentric people trying to twist Hellenic culture making everyone black it's ridiculous.

My man lugh you killing it like a pro

Great work, thanks.

8:00 Now hold on, while it's common for men to have been painted black in pottery, the figure presented here is *clearly* an African man of sub-Saharan descent...

@damionkeeling3103

11 ай бұрын

Yes it is, but there is no reason to think its Memnon. Kings tend to wear helmets and armour in Greek art when going off to war, even the Queen of the Amazons is depicted with helmet and armour and Greek style shield.

@wankawanka3053

11 ай бұрын

Is it even memnon ?was memnon ever mentioned using a bow?nubians were famius archers

@Kai-sm3md

8 ай бұрын

The point is the Ancient Greeks clearly understood what African phenotypes were, and he is attempting to handwaive it away as a stylistic approach to the art, which is just bad archeology. The Black Figure Males who were intended to be Greek or Trojan still had clear phenotypic differences from the black African / Ethiopian archer depicted on that vase.

@Red-hh7dm

2 ай бұрын

No he wasn't black

@Red-hh7dm

2 ай бұрын

No, he wasn't. There... video over

The animation at 4:36 is incredible. Top notch stuff. How does it look so real?

So well done. Thank you

Thats the video that i was waiting for.

I am a little confused by the recurring "stand tall" recommendation, already being extremely tall and bumping my head in every doorway, not fitting into subways, etc...

@FortressofLugh

11 ай бұрын

It's about being confident, not hitting your head on doorways. By all means, crouch if required. Stay safe out there!

Great video! But I would’ve asked the question, Was Memnon really dark skinned rather than black. I do enjoy the Iliad. The enjoyment is from the battles of ancient heroes( the movie Troy). There is a game called Warriors: Legends of Troy by Koei Tecmo. Where I got introduced to Memnon, the King of Aethiopia, which I was very confused about an ancient Ethiopian king helping the Trojans. Also him having Hellenic parents when I was doing my research. I just acknowledge that Memnon had a role in the Illid but his origins is a bit confusing for the larger audience. The way we see mythology is ancient fantasy crafted by ancient people. To me which I believe mythology gives us metaphors about our ancient ancestors and creations of our world. It is just that people tend towards their own personal beliefs on which what they were taught. And this is mainly what tends to happens in history. We all have different views of any particular subjects. Personally I be curious and do research on any historical topics. But for real, I believe that Memnon is of Anatolian or Levantine origin with Hellenic parents.

@FortressofLugh

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I think ultimately Memnon is original a divine figure related to some very archaic pro-Greek myths which then becomes transformed into a legendary man. The same thing happened with the Dioscuri, and possibly Heracles as well. The reason I pose the video as I did is because recent depictions of Memnon in video games etc all show him as a black African. This is the common view, even since the late Hellenistic period. Trying to dig into the actual mythical origins apparently sparks resentment by some.

@Seven-ld9zv

11 ай бұрын

@@FortressofLugh I enjoyed the video but I think we're getting carried way too far into the physical details. I enjoyed CLEOPATRA and had no idea why pretty much any source I could find on the series spoke negatively of it. I've been reading/studying ancient Egypt since I was a kid and who cares if she was black, white or mixed race ? When I watch CLEOPATRA I look with untainted eyes. If you keep focusing on what YOU (not personal) believe is wrong with what you're watching, then obviously you'll get annoyed by it because in your view it is wrong. Do you think Cleopatra was a feminist ? I'm sure the series will be shown to feminist groups all over the world, yet its wrong all because the producer had an agenda. Yet same as with Memnon, the ancients didn't care about color. From all of the extensive ancient descriptions about any man/woman/hero/deity 's physical appearance and as far as which beliefs the man/woman/hero/deity held, what he did and why...don't you think if it really mattered to them what skin color they had they would have mentioned it more specifically and more often ? Especially since they also described a great many thing that did not need a description ? Getting back to CLEOPATRA, I enjoyed the show because I know the story very well and see through many things that were simply made up. But if one looks at CLEOPATRA and takes it as a documentary and taking everything literally, then yes...the show is fiction and fantasy. I never heard anyone complain when Elizabeth Taylor played Cleopatra even though everyone alive at the time probably knew Cleopatra didn't really look like that.

@umwha

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I think that ancient Greeks would have seen someone from the south who would be very very tan and call them dark, black etc

@YaBoiDREX

11 ай бұрын

Mythology was more like religion/history for the ancients not a fantasy story. They literally believed this stuff. This is why they killed Socrates when he said the Greek gods were not real.

@saratmodugu2721

11 ай бұрын

16:00 I like the indo european anachronisms with bronze age politics. However Aethiopians were known and in greece since the Minoans as seen in the Murals as well the colony of the Colchis (The Nart Epic of Abkhazia, Greek poet named Pindar, St. Jerome, Herodotus) 4:25 or that Zeus and the gods are visiting the most powerful people in the world who conquered more land than any other 4:45 or, here me out, they conquered that far, much like the real life Taharqa who conquered according to the edifice by the Sacred Lake of Karnak in Taharga's temple of Amun-Re: "northern hill-countries, southern hill-countries, Fnh.w (Phoenicians?), all lands, the Shasu, Southland and Northland. bowmen of the deserts, Libyans (Thn.w), and everything that the Euphrates encloses (nw b phr wr)” And when was the Illiad composed? Because its after Taharqa’s conquests It’s clear he’s a mythological stand in for Nile valley civilization. With transmitted information that Egyptians (children of Egyptus) are descendants of Ephasus (great grandfather of Aegyptus) (Osiris), the ancestor of the “dark Libyans (very dark berbers bellow atlas mts and draa river), and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk (Trogladytes south of the fezzan) and feeble Pygmies (central africa south if the land of Yam)”

Good opening statement...

Great video, as always

Good video! But some of these comments are wwweeeeird 😅

Hades and Poseidon have blue hair but somehow that's not taken literally, the meaning of their stories go deeper than merely colors. Excellent content as always!

@Seven-ld9zv

11 ай бұрын

It depends on the perspective and which perspective the director prefers to follow. In tombs in Egypt, people were often depicted in reddish brown. This is a sign of status, protection, merit. Females were often depicted as just a tint less dark. While black was often either the color of death/dark or the color of fertility (the color of the black mud covering the farmers' field with the yearly innundation). Yet I don't think any of this even crossed Jada's mind while making the show. It just fits the modern feminist cause to "take back power" while I've been studying ancient history and culture for years and as far as I know, in ancient times women had way more status and rights than they do today. It's a problem of modern society and its not all the fault of males.

@mayragandolfo776

11 ай бұрын

@@Seven-ld9zv Please don't offend me by thinking I like that shitty show. What I really meant is that colors then and now can be a very tricky matter. What the author of a book meant by blonde or dark skinned can vary depending when and where he was from. Now when you talk about the simbolism of the color that's another muddy field.

@Seven-ld9zv

11 ай бұрын

@@mayragandolfo776 I'm sorry if you take offense if other people think you like the show. I absolutely LOVEd the show. Yes a lot of it is made up to suit the director (or her feminist audience) but I enjoyed watching a new production on Egyptian history. If one can watch Brad Pitt as Achilles then what is the problem with watching Adele James as Cleopatra ? Both actors playing their characters aren't true to history, so tell me why do we take offense at one but not the other ? If one asks me I'd say that in itself is a big legacy of colonialism and discrimination.

@mayragandolfo776

10 ай бұрын

Yeah whatever you say my friend. I'm sure you're right and I'm not. Here it's what you wanted to read👍

@Seven-ld9zv

10 ай бұрын

@@mayragandolfo776 I'm not sure where the right-and-wrong input came from. Read my comments again; I never said anything you said was wrong. But if you're SURE I'm "right" and "you're wrong" than I guess it must be so. I hope you don't take offense in that either lol.

Love your work your doing a fantastic job explaining everything. Please do Andromeda in the feature. Because just like Memnon and Cleopatra Afrocentric people are also trying to claim Andromeda Cassiopeia and Cepheus as African Nubian characters. This is getting out of hand. There are those even who believe Belus, Aegyptus and other characters from Hellenic Mythology were also African Nubian characters and that they built Athens Thebes Argos etc. Really funny videos. At some point the Afrocentric Afro-American says that "The city of Thebes was probably called that after Thebes the city in Egypt. He is so lost in his world he doesn't know it's the other way around. And the Thebes in Egypt was called Niwt-'Imn or Wa-set by Egyptians.

Thanks!

@FortressofLugh

11 ай бұрын

Thank you

This is all becoming a bad and sick joke at this point.

@MykhaelK

7 ай бұрын

Hahaha

@nebulanigrimleonis3883

3 ай бұрын

Maybe you should actually read the Illiad, instead of watching movies. Memnon was King of the Ethiopians and nephew of Priam and described as DARK AS EBONY, in the original text. Why white people feel the need to erase blacks from everything is so stupid. And just proves the need to remove all your tales and rewrite them in their original text

@Red-hh7dm

2 ай бұрын

Too fuccing right!

@urbnctrl

2 ай бұрын

Lmao its been a joke since the 1500s, i mean, Jesus as a fucking white hippie? 😂 get outta here.

@EudaimonV

2 ай бұрын

​@FunnyImpala-jn6wkwell for starters making everyone black African. That's the joke.

Even if memnon was from the region of today's country of Ethiopia, there's the question of, from which people group? Because most of the Ethiopian ethic groups in the north look more like Yemenis and ancient Natufians than like Sub-Saharan Africans, for example.

@EudaimonV

7 ай бұрын

Well for starters. Memnon has nothing to do with the country we know today Ethiopia Did you not listen to the video?? Memnon is a Hellenic character in Hellenic mythology. Not African.

@Annatar

7 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV do you understand what "even if" means?

@EudaimonV

7 ай бұрын

@@Annatar your statement of "If he was from the country Ethiopia, what group would he be" does not even make sense. For starters the country of Ethiopia did NOT exist back then like we know it today. The country Ethiopia was established in 1200 AD. Secondly it doesn't change his ethnic group either even "IF" he was born in Ethiopia because his parents are Hellenic. In order to be a specific group of people of Ethiopia his parents must be from that part as well. Thirdly it's a mythical Hellenic character not a historical. But to answer to your question "IF he was from that part of the area at that specific time period, what group he would be"? He would most likely have been a Kushite or a Nubian Egyptian, either historically or mythical. Under a different name with a different background and different story. IN other words it would not have been Memnon the Hellenic character from Hellenic Mythology. Hope you understand now.

@Annatar

7 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV wow dude, you really need to get better at reading English and understand what it means. Let me translate: 1. "Even if Memnon was from the region of modern Ethiopia" = I know memnon was not from the region of modern Ethiopia but I'm describing a hypothetical situation 2. There WOULD still be the question = again, hypothetical situation So the whole comment means something like this: Memnom was NOT from Ethiopia, and showing him as a black African because they think he was Ethiopian is still wrong because people in Ethiopia are not all sub saharan African

@EudaimonV

7 ай бұрын

@@Annatar I get what it means. Your speaking hypothetical by using "if" I'm explaining that your "if" your hypothetical statement, is ridiculous does NOT have any sense. It's like saying, what if Christopher Columbus was from the region of America which native tribe would he be.?

Best channel on YT

Thank you.

As a young boy, one of my friends was light skinned in winter yet turned dark brown in late summer. It was called "Olive oil skin" back then. I was so jealous ! I only turned from white to red then pealed. :(

@j.obrien4990

11 ай бұрын

I feel you brother, and when I found one of my great grandparents was black I felt extra gypped out that extra melanin that I could really use.

@alive2583

10 ай бұрын

What is light skinned? Cause I’m light skinned but my parents are considered black. And what is brown cause black people are actually chocolate. I’m so colored blind I guess and I don’t get it

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

10 ай бұрын

​@@j.obrien4990Don't worry, plenty of them use skin lightening creams, and make fun of each other if they are especially dark. Also..maybe actually get more sun regularly..most White people I know that complain about sunburn, are often avoiding the sun most of the time then they spend hours in a row in it during vacation and obviously burn. I'm Irish and Scandinavian (and no bla ck relatives)..I don't burn anymore because I actually expose myself to the sun regularly.

@ikengaspirit3063

9 ай бұрын

That's not what Ethiopian means. Ethiopian literally means burnt face, you know like reminiscent of char levels of darkness not reminiscent of olives.

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

9 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 Well it obviously doesn't inherently mean that otherwise there wouldn't be so much Ethiopian art showing people who are light compared to other bl ack people. It could have just been referring to how hot it is there, because there is also terms like "leukoaethiops" (white ethiopians) that are spoken of as their own ethnicity, and other Greeks have flat out mentioned there being both whi te and black people there. It's a big land, Ethiopia used to refer to far more land than the nation that uses the name today

Greeks made it clear who were Ethiopian. They even said those too white like women or other tribes or those too black like ethiopians are cowards, but those INBETWEEN the both of them, like the Greeks are the best.

@BTL_LTW

11 ай бұрын

Cope

@CatotheE

11 ай бұрын

@@BTL_LTW Nah, man. You're the one that's coping here.

@fabiofernandes9122

11 ай бұрын

they referenced ethiopians has darker skinned people who lived in upper egypt and beyond.

@gecko6541

Ай бұрын

Ha ha somebody is not happy, black people mentioned in Greece mythology. If this video is not ill intended I suggest research another several mythical stories.

@studiometaart1974

Ай бұрын

@@BTL_LTW wtf do you mean cope, do you even have any evidence for you own argument. lmfao. BlaAc PpL Dum sO dA hiSTory FAke. Why dont you come back when you can actually do research.

Yeah when I was watching gods and kings and saw all those north western Europeans, I couldn't believe the inconsistencies of the film. Or johnny depp playing a native American. Or king arthur being played by a brown HINDU indian.

Nice strategically timed video, Kevin. A bit of Greek mythology is almost always enjoyable.

Was he? Maybe. He ruled over Ethiopians. The Ethiopians were a darkskinned people coming from the area of Nubia and/or Ethiopia, but he was also the son of the Dawn. Eos was a Greek Goddess and would have been Greek. There are depictions of him with African features and European features, so it could really go either way. What he was is the Greeks attempts to introduce an element of exoticism to the Trojan War, by bringing in people from the farthest reaches of the known world. Just like when Heracles and Dionysus made war on India or when Heracles traveled past Spain.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

No there are no depictions of Memnon as an Aethiopis African man. There is only ONE amphora related to Memnon showing his army getting ready to march for Troy. Both his parents are Hellenic. The kingdom of Aethiopia doesn't have anything to do with the country we know today as Ethiopia. The mythical kingdom of Aethiopia doesn't exist in African history mythology or culture.

@fabiofernandes9122

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV yes there are. the guy even shows it in the video.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

@@fabiofernandes9122 there is only ONE amphora related to Memnon showing an Aethiopis between two Amazon women describing his army getting ready to march for Troy. All ancient Hellenic artwork depictes Memnon as a Hellenic man.

@fabiofernandes9122

10 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV theres a bust of him in the museum depicted has a subsaharan african, all the the paintings in the pot depict him has a black dude. youre just coping.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

@@fabiofernandes9122 Oboy. First of all the bust head is not Memnon king OF THE Aethiopis people. It's a student of Herodes Atticus a Athenian philanthropist and senator to the Roman empire. Only ONE amphora related Memnon showing an Aethiopis only ONE and it describes his army getting ready to march for Troy.

Then why they give him red lips is that artistic expression 😅stop the cap. He came from Ethiopia

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

Nope there is no mention of Africa in the Epic Poems. He does NOT exist in African history mythology or culture. So pay attention. There is more than just one amphora to prove otherwise. You are just taking whatever you like to get what you want and ignoring the the rest of the facts. That's ridiculously Sad Weak and Pathetic.

@EudaimonV

8 ай бұрын

Now you know. Glad I could help.

Memnon, was indeed Black African. My argument: Eos, the Goddess of Dawn (Memnon’s mother), and the Connection to the Sun: •In Greek mythology, Eos (Memnon’s mother) is revered as the goddess of dawn, representing the rising sun and the light it brings to the world. •Eos's association with the sun also suggests a connection to regions where sunlight is particularly intense, symbolizing power, vitality, and divine illumination. Africa, in the mind of the Greeks obviously represents a place where the sun is most powerful, etymology of the word “Ethiopian” proves this.. Memnon AND his brother are associated with the Ethiopia in AFRICA, not the one in the East, or India. But I’ll come back to this later. •This association, however, implies that Eos's offspring, including Memnon, should be depicted with darker skin due to their proximity to the radiant light of their divine mother AND the location they’re associated with. The Nile Valley Interpretation of "Ethiopian" in Ancient Greek Terminology: •In ancient Greek terminology, the term "Ethiopian" was commonly used to refer to people with EXTREMELY dark skin, particularly those in Africa. But it was also a culture and country in the mind of the Greeks most commonly associated with the land south of Egypt. Eastern Ethiopia (southern India) did exist in the minds of the ancient Greeks, but as the secondary designation. When hearing Ethiopian or Ethiopia, they thought of Africa first, primarily due to proximity. •The etymology of "Ethiopian" suggests a reference to extremely dark skin, with "ethio" meaning "burnt" and "opian" meaning "face" or "appearance." Their burnt faces can be interpreted as being a result of being next to the goddess Eos. Ethiopians were considered to be favored by the gods, the FIRST to worship the gods, and to be the most blameless of all ancient men. The Greeks held Ethiopians in high regard this way and were VERY familiar with them, this is probably why they are included in the story of The Iliad AND why Memnon is so favored in the story. •Therefore, Memnon's identification as an "Ethiopian" by ancient Greek and Roman writers indicate his connection to regions where people had darker skin, such as ancient Egypt, Nubia or Kush. But further reading narrows it down to Nubia / Kush specifically.. I’ll explain. Association with Ancient Ethiopia (Nubia/Kush): •Ancient Ethiopia, often equated with regions like Nubia or Kush, was known for its proximity to Egypt and its rich cultural heritage. •Memnon's association with Ethiopia suggests a link to this ancient African kingdom, known for its advanced civilization, monumental architecture, and historical significance. Stories revolving around Memnon and his brother Emathion’s Ethiopia are centered around the Nile River, this is how we KNOW this Ethiopia wasn’t India. But Africa. For instance “Herakles had to fight Emathion, who came across the *VALLEY OF THE NILE* on his way to steal the golden apples of the Hesperis, and killed him and gave his kingdom to Memnon.” So we know Memnon inherited his land from his brother who lost it after being killed by Herakles, the Nile Valley in AFRICA is integral to this story. Not Asia or India. •Moreover, the intermingling of Nubian and Egyptian cultures, including royal intermarriages, further supports Memnon's potential African roots and his connection to the land of ancient Ethiopia. Association with the Egypt’s Colossi of Memnon: •The Colossi of Memnon, monumental statues located in modern-day Egypt, have been associated with the mythological figure of Memnon since antiquity, linking him to the region of ancient Egypt. Why would they name / associate statues in the African Nile Valley after an Indian king?… doesn’t make sense really. •This connection suggests that Memnon's Ethiopia was likely located in Africa, close to upper Egypt and aligning with the ancient Nubian or Kushite regions known for their historical ties to Egypt and their prominent African civilizations. Archaeological and Historical Evidence of African Lineage: •Archaeological findings and historical records indicate significant cultural exchanges and interactions between ancient Egypt and neighboring African kingdoms like Nubia and Kush. This is why the colossi of Memnon are linked to the king, even though he is said to be Ethiopian. And in some versions of the story, Memnon is the king of Egypt AND Ethiopia. •Evidence of trade, diplomacy, and cultural diffusion between these regions supports the notion that Memnon, as a mythical figure associated with both Egypt and Ethiopia, likely had African lineage or cultural connections. •Furthermore, depictions of Memnon in ancient GREEK AND ROMAN art and literature may offer visual and textual clues hinting at his African heritage, such as distinctive physical features or cultural attributes associated with African peoples of antiquity. We have vases, statues, and paintings depicting Memnon as Black. Homer, and the ancient Greeks for that matter were not racist, xenophobic maybe. But they didn’t view race the way we do. They respected other cultures and didn’t mind including them into the story. Referring to Memnon as Ethiopian, or the king of Ethiopians, along with the fact that his divine mother was a goddess of the sun, would automatically make Memnon a Black man in the minds of ancient Greek readers. The same way describing Achilles as having golden hair would make him Caucasian in the minds of readers today. Stop trying to steal history to fit your agenda. lol Mr “We waz Ethiopians”! the Ethiopia mentioned in the Iliad was 100% in Africa, and Memnon was a Black African. Period. Thank you for coming. To my Ted talk.

@EudaimonV

Ай бұрын

Keep telling yourself that. Hahaha you are in denial. You are cherry picking. Using Occam's Razor. Taking whatever you like that fits your narratives. Just to fill up your Gap and feelings.

@korey15

Ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV I’m not cherry-picking I’m providing evidence with the facts given. You’re trying to steal history just because you don’t like it lol the ancient Greeks were not racist. They had a great deal of respect and admiration for Ethiopians in Africa. Please do your research .

@EudaimonV

Ай бұрын

@@korey15 again no what respect. Ethiopia did NOT even exist back then. Secondly it's not history it's mythology. Stop mixing everything together to fit your narratives.

@EudaimonV

13 күн бұрын

​@@korey15Just to give you some more information on Memnon and the Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia. Let's start with Language. The word Aethiopis is purely a Hellenic word and can mean different things depending were when and how you form it in a sentence. It could mean glowing/shining for someone devine as we see in the myths. It could be to describe a dark skin complexion or someone darken/burnt by the sun as in tanned that's how we get the terminology Burnt Face. And lastly to indicate a specific race of people who dwell in the lands south of Egypt and Libya. IN Mythology. Homer 8th century BC locates The Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia across Cyprus next to the Arameans around Sidon connecting it to Oceanus aka Mediterranean Sea. Hesiod relates it to Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon a deity and personification of the Dawn. Where the sun rises in the East. Memnon's parents are Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos. Eos took Tithonus from Troy and with their first born son Emathion traveled to her domain and made him king of the Aethiopians. Now about History. The first time we see the word Aethiopia used as a Geographical Term to indicate a specific race and landmark is in the 4th century BC by Herodotus who he determined to call the unknown Lands South of Egypt and Libya Aethiopia. As a Geographical Term NOT as a kingdom. The people living South of Egypt and Libya never referred to themselves as Aethiopians. It was first the kingdom of Kush and in the 1st century BC the kingdom of Axum. In the 1st century BC the Romans would reimagine romanticize and rationalize Hellenic myths to bring them closer to there perspective of the world connecting Homer's Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia with Herodotus Geographical Term of Aethiopia and it is they Who believed Memnon hailed from Africa. And last the Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology doesn't exist in African history mythology or culture. Ethiopia as we know it today did NOT exist as a country back then. The country was established in 1275 AD by Yekuno Amlak as the Ethiopian Empire. Now you know. Glad I could help. Do better next time.

@ikengaspirit3063

9 күн бұрын

​@@korey15 I mean, Ancient Greeks were racist, just not so racist to do erasure.

People really got around in those days! 😁

From what i gathered Aeothiopia was a wider geographical area that expanded from africa far into the middle east as well, not a specific country associated with modern state. Likewise, Andromeda was Aethiopian but her kingdom was located in modern Israel. If anything, Memnon was mostly associated with the city of Susa and he was a cousin to Priam's children and Priam's brother was unlikely to be from sub-saharan Africa. I was extremely disappointed seeing his representation in Troy: Total War as that team did phenomenal work in in the portrayal of other Heroes. Surely blackrock and esg at work.

@moneyflow5766

11 ай бұрын

Foh

@yoeyyoey8937

11 ай бұрын

Blackwork?

@moneyflow5766

11 ай бұрын

White bigots are trying to rewrite history as always

@AlecFortescue

11 ай бұрын

@@yoeyyoey8937 autocorrected blackrock

@yoeyyoey8937

11 ай бұрын

@@AlecFortescue oh yeah…that ESG stuff is sus idk what their endgame is, like who asked for this. They should make exceptions for history at least 😆

Many references to Ethiopians in Ancient Greece. We could name 10 references that make it clear their origins who are the first humans on Earth civilizing even the Ancient Egyptians. The Ethiopians and Egyptians were the only ones to practice circumcision and other practices before light-skin mutations.

@EudaimonV

8 ай бұрын

Nice joke. Stop reading comic books and educate yourself. Learn respect for Hellenic culture.

@crenshawgrinder4725

8 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV I know the truth hurts.

@EudaimonV

8 ай бұрын

@@crenshawgrinder4725 Prove it. If you can't give me evidence to your so call fantasy claim. Then you have nothing to validate your statement. I ask you AGAIN. Where is it written down in Hellenic mythology that Memnon is a African Nubian character. Where is it written down in Hellenic mythology that the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia from the epics is located in Africa?? And by whom.?? Go I challenge you Giving you a chance to back up your fantasy claim. IF what you say exists it would be easy to find and answer.

Ethiopians populated the globe. There were Black populations all over the near east and Levant in times of antiquity.

@EudaimonV

4 ай бұрын

Irrelevant. And the number of Nubian Africans around Europe really small number. Plus Memnon and the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology have nothing to do with Africa.

@agentofchaos7456

2 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV Wrong. Hesiod explicitly stated that the Aetiopians originated in Africa.

@EudaimonV

2 ай бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 no he does NOT. Tell me where does Hesiod say that the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia is South of Egypt and Libya.??

@agentofchaos7456

2 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV He literally does. He said that they are the children of the Egyptian king Epaphus. Egypt is in Africa.

@EudaimonV

2 ай бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 Oboy. Again irrelevant. These are Hellenic characters in Hellenic mythology. They don't exist in African or Egyptian history mythology or culture. Epaphus is a Hellenic character based on Hellenic mythology related to Hellenic Culture. They are not described or depicted as black Africans in Hellenic culture. Stop mixing everything together to fit your narratives. Focus. Stop avoiding the question and jumping from one subject to the other. Where does Hesiod say that Aethiopians originated in Africa where does Hesiod say that the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia is South of Egypt and Libya??? Again to prove you wrong. Memnons parents his heritage or not even from Africa. His father is Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon a deity and personification of the Dawn. Two Hellenic parents don't make a black African baby.

The myth was that, he was the son of Tithonus, a prince of Troy, and Eos, the Greek goddess of the Dawn . Not black African

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

What next, Persus the ancestor of Persians, son of Zeus wasn't Persian?.

If the conversation of ancient Greek writers are to be taken serious, (Homer, Herodotus, Cato) why is it that not one surviving text, or any text written later by their pupils, have mentioned the Nok civilisation that also existed at the time that *maybe* Troy or Aethopians existed. Their most eastern known location of artifacts have been found in areas that would have been written in the Upper Delta Nile, and lowest point of Libya. Has anyone looked at ancient Arabic language manuscripts from Timbuktu?

@peterhoulihan9766

11 ай бұрын

I agree but Timbuktu is on the other side of africa. The ethiopians probably had closer relations with the greeks than west africans.

@listenup2882

10 ай бұрын

Did the Nok people refer to themselves as Nok?

@aloslosorelli5553

4 ай бұрын

They did. Remember that Egypt, Nubia, Greece, and the Middle East, even in the Bronze Age, are maritime societies engaged heavily in trade. It’s well supported by archaeology that they interacted with each other.

@aloslosorelli5553

4 ай бұрын

You’ve got your time periods and your cultures totally mixed up.

I did enjoy this video -- the parallel to some modern or recent academic efforts in those more "educated" Greeks in trying to rationalize their own myth sources and history was fascinating. What I will say is that your choice of introduction and inspiration up front was unfortunate because the two examples of understanding "race" in the presentation of stories could not be more different. "This analysis has nothing to do with politics or social agendas." You're fooling yourself if you think you can keep it apart given the topic and choice to present us with your inspiration from the recent Cleopatra controversy. If you had left that out, your story and presentation would have lost nothing in its ideas and clarity for not having said it. Nor I think would you have even felt you needed to add the disclaimer. I understand accuracy in ethnic, cultural and geographic identity in understanding human stories in scholarly historical documentaries -- both for our legends and myths, and for our documented historical events. Conflating that with the obsession (among some) with skin color in casting 20th and 21st century entertainment is not helpful, in my opinion.

Clearly mythical? Greek and Roman "myth" was never myth to these people. Modern man assuming, since they never interacted with their "gods" , that all oral traditions of a people are myth. Modern "man" is the myth.

@MrMeanstreek

9 ай бұрын

You clearly need to educate yourself lol oral tradition is lost because nobody wrote it down... Modern man can show you video and pictures and multiple key word (multiple) accounts of first hand witnesses. Memnon was black though. This video is interesting but he was black. Everyone back then that wrote anything about memnon said he was dark as 11:59 pm

The ancient Greeks knew about Black Africans since the earliest part of their history. There are accounts of Black Africans existing in the Mediterranean. So the Aethiopians were probably inspired by Black Africans. EDIT: According to Hesiod: "For verily Epaphus (a king of Egypt) was the child of the almighty Son of Cronos, and from him sprang the dark Libyans (Africans), and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk and feeble Pygmies." So the Aethiopians were at least related to black Africans and Africa through their ancestor Epaphus.

@EudaimonV

4 ай бұрын

Nope just like the video says. And explains. Memnon and the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia have nothing to do with Africa. Except for a small majority of merchants and slaves the number of Nubian Africans in Europe especially in Hellas and especially at the time of Homer, very little.

@agentofchaos7456

4 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV The video doesn't even mention the kingdom of Aethiopia or anything about merchants/slaves.

@EudaimonV

4 ай бұрын

​​​​​@@agentofchaos7456 Nations conecting them to the Mediterranean Sea. Once again you are cherry picking to fit your narratives. The video says "there is NO conceivable way that they were believe to dwell south of Egypt." 6:10 neither does it say anything about large numbers and accounts of Nubian Africans around the Mediterranean Sea. Making your statement Irrelevant. Your ridiculous. Your the one that brought it up.

@EudaimonV

4 ай бұрын

​​​@@agentofchaos7456"it was never a name of a non Greek but a mythical figure of entirely Greek origin " 6:45 14:45 Eos holding her son Memnon.

@EudaimonV

4 ай бұрын

​​@@agentofchaos7456Keep digging. You might find your Dignity somewhere at the bottom of the barrel.

This is a lot of cope

How are the Amazon's present in that area of the world? It's definitely AFTER pangea

I have no interest in Greek Mythology or in the racial phenotype of Greek legends. What I want to address is the Euro-American narrative that native Africans only existed in a region they call "Sub-Saharan Africa". Recently, Americans have even claimed for Europe and Asia parts of West Africa (Kiffian and Tenerien Culture), the Sahara region (now a desert) and East Africa (Nabta Playa and the Horn). It is as if native Africans have no history to White Americans. The author or narrator of this episode constantly assumed that the viewer or listener "knows" that Ethiopians inhabit 'South of Egypt'. He even references Herodotus a Greek-Persian who visited Egypt and Kush in 430BC (Egypt was ruled by Persia then). Yet, Herodotus wrote of the inhabitants of Mediterranian Africa (North Africa) during his times as constituted by 3 populations: the native Africans Black tribes such as the Gaetuli, Khazani, Afuri, Libu and Garamantee; the Greek colonists and Phoenicians of Carthage. Egypt itself was descriped as "colony of the Ethiopians" - the native Egyptians and Meshweshwe Egyptians (originally from Libya) being native African and Black. The Diodotus Sicilicus, a Greek Italian who studies in Egypt made detailed description of Egyptians of his day (Persian rule) describing their skin as dark and their hair as kinky. The Qhatani Arabs or original Semites of the Red Sea coast of Arabia were and are still Africoid, having the same phenotype as Somali. Arabs of Arabia are in fact mixed between the Qhatani Arabs (Eb1b1) and Ishmaeli or Adnan Arabs who are White (J2).

I have noticed a large of jewish actors playing Europeans in film, it is odd...

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

Minority report coming out....

@grahamgreene4141

11 ай бұрын

The start of civilization is Semitic. Its not a stretch.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

@@grahamgreene4141 More like the robber bankers and the professional liars aka holywood actors and singers, but I do like when they are humiliated like the idiot from starwars and of course the movies they can't make money out of, the a listers are being used as props :D it must be so humiliating working in hollywood :) Or even the tech fascists like zukker, susane, etc the whole world hates them! Great legacy those guys built! The chosen people right? :D

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

10 ай бұрын

​@@grahamgreene4141 I don't think the much older signs of civilization in Turkey were left by Semitic speakers. But those people probably weren't exactly like the people there now either, or at least the majority..thousands of years before the Greeks we know the people that ended up becoming the Thracians lived there, and they were fair skinned red headed blue eyed people. But either way..all the people that we group as "cau casoid" (it doesn't matter if you think the term makes sense or not, we all can visually tell what it means) whether Semitic speakers or not, share the same genetic origins though.

@magnificent6668

9 ай бұрын

@@grahamgreene4141 Sumerians were NOT Semitic

This video is interesting. Just to clarify my understanding, memon as a mythical character was a representation of a fictional country, aethepioa, derived from the greeks perspective at the time? I ask out of curiosity partly due to my ethiopian ancestry. For any would be commenters, i want to make it clear that i despise race swapping in any format and find it pathetic on the part of people who need to steal others acheivments to feel any sense of ethnic pride. It saddens me greatly to see this advocated for in western media and applied to history.

@FortressofLugh

11 ай бұрын

Hi brother, My view is that Memnon began as a mythical/divine figure, a minor god from the Pre-Greek period. The earliest known clear info about him is from Hesiod who said he was the son of Eos and Tithonus and king of the Aethiopians. He is mentioned also with a half brother Phaethon who is openly identified by Hesiod as a divine spirit of the shrine of Aphrodite. Thus, he was a minor god whose identity was only partially recognized by some Greeks. This also happened with the Dioscuri, who according to Homer were simply mortals. I believe in origin the Aethiopians, whether inspired by stories of dark skinned people or not, were really a mythical race related to the sunrise and sunset and in Homer they were frequently visited by the gods and feasted with them, likely reinforcing their association with light, as the earliest pre-Homeric conception of the embodied gods of the sky was as fire, light or aether. By the Hellenistic period however Greeks had attempted to rationalize most of their myths. They began to refer to all dark skinned people as Aethiopians, as if they were the same beings they had known from their ancient tales. A similar thing happened in English where we called little people dwarfs, though dwarfs originally referred to mythical beings associated with the gods, some of whom were also black. In fact it is possible the original mythical Aethiopians were a race like dwarfs or elves in Germanic traditions, who are also linked to the movements of the sun and light. So by the Imperial period the notion that Aethiopians meant black people was set in the Greek and Roman mind, and they depicted them in art that way in that period, but earlier depictions of Memnon show that he wasn't yet conceived of in this way. That is why in the video a few depictions show him to be a black African, such as the statue bust. This is from I think the the second century AD, like a 1000 years after Homer and Hesiod mention him, and hundreds of years after he was frequently depicted as a Trojan in classical Greek art.

@dagon99

11 ай бұрын

@@FortressofLugh thanks for the clarification in addition to the great videos. Appreciate your work!

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

​​​​@@FortressofLugh yes perfectly explained a lot and really clear. BUT one thing. The bust head you speak of is NOT that of Memnon from the Hellenic Epic Poems. It is the head of a student of Herodes Atticus a Athenian rhetorician philanthropist and senator in the Roman empire who he called his student Memnon because he could not pronounce his real African name.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@FortressofLugh The bust head you speak of is NOT that of Memnon from the Hellenic Epic Poems and Mythology. It is the head of a student of Herodes Atticus a Athenian rhetorician, philanthropist and senator to the Roman empire who he called his student Memnon because he could not pronounce his real African name.

@elodiekouame7977

11 ай бұрын

​​​​@@FortressofLughwhat a liar you are!!!! it is a joke i Hope🙄??? So today when it fit you aethiopia in greeks words which mean "burned faces" for all black people ancient greeks meet were in levant???? So syrian and levantines are black now??? Aethiopia according to Homer which is the most far away Land inhabited by men bordered by oceanus and aethiopians were same people divided in two groups one who lived where the Sun rise and the others where the Sun lies are in the Mouth of greece in levant now???. And then when afrocentrist follow your example and do the same to your white characters, you came and make us "a cry me a river" on Internet ??? You think that you with your biased minds know more than the ancient greeks ??? Greeks situated two principales groups of aethiopia in east (dark Indians) and west (black people who live in lybia) so their so called aethiopians of east and west. So i Guess according to you greeks authors such as pausanius, Virgile and Ovide who writte about him came from Africa are all liars??? Or that part of the myth where it is stated that memnon and his brother hemathion had dark skin because they lived near Helios with their mother Aurore was lies also right??? And others example too long to be wrritten here. Even if greeks state also that he conquered Susa and came to help his uncle Priam of troy they state also that he is related to the African continent... So how you could Come and make claim like that?? 🙄

i wish ppl were greatly less obsessed with race 😢

@EudaimonV

8 ай бұрын

And I wish people would not try to claim other civilizations culture. But unfortunately people who are uneducated, desperate are easy to be brainwashed and creating facist ideologies.

For the same reason that Memnon was not Subsaharan African, Greek Hyperboreans WERE NOT Scandinavians and most likely Scythians.

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

11 ай бұрын

So black people only live in Sub Saharan Africa?

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 Bantu people were never kings or queens outside Subsaharan Africa, and were never representative of a group, not even minorities, outside this region until the Islamic slave trade.

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 Bantu is a language group not a people. There are more types of Bantu people genetically than all non Africans combined.

@lif3andthings763

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 Nubians ruled parts of the middle east and all of Egypt. Axum conquered all of Yemen. Why do you mention the Bantu? They aren’t one monolithic group.

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

Based, tell those Northmen.

Btw You used Plotinus sculpture in your video, hes is egyptian not black african.

@christopherogundare6049

11 ай бұрын

@sun Egyptians were black africans when the pottery was made. Those who occupy that space today are an admixture that came later for instance, greeks, romans, byzantines, turkish, arabs and europeans. The depiction showed that Egyptians were black. Herodotus confirms this as does strabo.

@JapaneseMonke

11 ай бұрын

@@christopherogundare6049 Here it comes the du mb ass afrocentris saying that the egyptians were black. Just look at their phenotypes its different, cope.

I must say that you have done excellent research and laid it out very clearly. Still, I honestly don't think it was unreasonable that in a future/hypothetical adaptation of the Trojan War, the character of Mennom would be played by a black actor. I feel like the background of this character would fit a lot better than say Achilles. apart from this, the fact that he, the Indians and the Amazons entered the war; it only increases the dimensions of the conflict. almost as if all of east and west were in conflict. (Which serves to clarify the relevance of the Trojan War, the last great war involving gods and demigods, the event that ended the age of heroes.) As a separate point I have a doubt; What do you think of depicting, say, the Amazons, the princesses Andromeda or Medea, or all the descendants of Epaphos' lineage as dark-skinned? I understand that these, like Mennom, are clearly Hellenic characters; but they are Hellenic characters conceived as foreigners. After all, unlike a "documentary" like the one of "Cleopatra" , movies and series can always take a margin of artistic liberty. (Apart from the fact that as you put it, Mennom's case has been debated since ancient times).

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

First of all there is a difference between being dark skin and being Nubian African. Memnon Andromeda Medea are not described being African Nubian characters.

@juanprada4410

10 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV that is precisely the reason that my question was about the casting of an actor or actress with a dark complexion.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

Dark skin yes like with a really good tan but they still remain Hellenic. Not played by African actors.

@juanprada4410

10 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV Andromeda, Medea or a good part of the descendants of Epafo are Hellenistic characters with a lineage that somehow links them to Greece; but their dynasties are intermingled with deities from the territories to which they emigrated (these deities are foreign Hellenistic characters; for example, the personification of the Nile River and his daughters). As I said, I feel like this builds a good foundation for a "more diverse" cast of these characters. I am speaking only in the context of a theoretical movie or series.

@juanprada4410

10 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV Keep in mind that when we talk about mixes between 2 races, the traits of the darker races tend to be more dominant than those of the lighter ones. I've never talked about African actors, but I don't think an actor who has "traditionally Greek" traits is the only way to go

You started war.

I only wish I could have that green eyeshadow. Sigh.

This is such a cope. You people are literally going out of your way so that it doesn't mean actual Ethiopians. Its a clear ethno bias. So far to say the Greek gods regularly visited and dined with Ethiopians, and saying it denotes a more divine term than actual people. ( WOW LOL ) in most instances, Ethiopian meant those in Africa, please stop tiptoeing. Sure there was an Ethiopia in southern India too, but come on, Ethiopians in africa are far more closer than those groups. I agree modern films shouldn't put actors in places that dont portray actual historical figures. When anglos or blacks playing other ethnicities. But it seems like most of you find it inconceivable that black africans were around the levant, Greece , rome and other locations at the time. I wouldn't call it outright racism, rather a sub conscious ethno bias towards black africans.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

Nice try but wrong. Look you can believe whatever you like. It's YOUR fantasy world it's YOUR imagination. It's YOUR right. But in Hellenic mythology Memnon is NOT described being a African black Aethiopis Hero. That's clear as daylight.

@christopherogundare6049

11 ай бұрын

​@@EudaimonV based on what proof? Please respond with scholarly, balanced views and not reference to attacks ad hominem. I am axtually interested as to why africans are depicted on greek pottery but are then seen as an artistic style to portray all whites as blacks? Why does the picture of a black man feature among white men in the pottery yet it is chalked off as not being an aethiopian???😂😂😂😂

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@christopherogundare6049 First of all there is ONLY ONE amphora related to Memnon showing an Aethiopis between two Amazon women. Describing his army getting ready to march for Troy. Secondly so what that some amphoras show Aethiopis people. Irrelevant. For example Memnon and Andromeda in all ancient artwork is depicted as a Hellen and would be fallowed by Aethiopis figures. Either soldiers or slave's. The thing is that from the ancient Hellenic epic Poems they are not described being a African character. Nor are they related to Africa. Africa is not even mentioned. Plus they don't exist in African history mythology or culture. Didn't you listen to the video??

@christopherogundare6049

11 ай бұрын

@blaiseangel5698 the word Africa didn't exist at the time bro. That's such a cop out from you. Africa as a term for the geographical expanse, did not come into use until when Romans began to dominate the region. Common men. Be studious

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@christopherogundare6049 never did I say that the term Africa existed at the time of Memnon. I know when the term Africa was established making your statement Irrelevant. What are you talking about?? Stop trying to twist my words. Can you read??

This is the same as the many black portrayals of deities in Egyptian paintings. It usually has a different meaning. The Egyptian civilisation did as much as possible to emphasise the negroid features whenever they specifically depicted people from the subsaharan African racial groups. Whenever the face appears caucasoid then they likely genuinely were supposed to look that way and not subsaharan, regardless of wether they had a black-coloured depiction or not.

@yoeyyoey8937

11 ай бұрын

Could be mixed as well

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

You realise alot of black skinned people are Caucasoid right?. Not the Nubians but the Somalis and I think Beja. Also, Egyptian art was stylized and didn't always display racial characteristics especially for nearby people where they more show cultural dress than racial characteristics.

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 none of those people you named are Caucasoid. There is no racial group that are Caucasoids. I swear its almost like humanity started in Europe, and everyone is a degree away from them. When in reality everyone really is a type of African. The Somali are African. It would be more correct to say that Eurasians have their features instead of them having Caucasian features. They would predate genetically and arguably phenotypically any group that we would call Caucasian today.

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

11 ай бұрын

Negroid features? So all Negroids have the same features? All Negroids have the same features despite the fact that those so called Negroids are more genetically and phenotypically diverse than all of humanity.

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 This is just a terminology argument. What ever terms you want to use to describe it as, Somalis group with western eurasians in a way.

If something is merely theater or drama then the writers and producers can do anything they want - in Shakespeare's time female parts were played by men so Cleopatra would have been a man in drag in Shakespeare's play -a little later with opera male heroes like Antony and Julius Caesar would have been played by castrato singers and when castration was no longer done (thank God) women often play the role of great heroes like Caesar in what are known as trouser roles. However, if a production claims to be a documentary then it should stick to the historical facts.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

I do not agree with your premise, I boycott all those mass produced media to entertain the masses, it's not art! About documentaries, it's supposed to be a documentation of reality, and the movie is obviously a dedicated attempt to motivate a class war. We should be discussing the ambiguities of the poison that is being served to us.

@kaloarepo288

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 Shakespeare's plays are never historically accurate and full of anachronisms but are still great art -people didn't care about accuracy in those days it was the story that counted and they didn't have the historical information and archaeology to help them even if they had wanted to be accurate!

Well the trojan war was most likley a real event of many small wars and a local event with no one involved from far away. They would of had to get past the hitties

@EudaimonV

2 ай бұрын

You are confusing history with mythology. IN the Epic Poems of the Trojan war from Hellenic Mythology the Hittites don't play a role.

@ikengaspirit3063

Ай бұрын

There's a sea between, there's no need to get past the hittites they could just sail across.

@EudaimonV

Ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 well the thing is that the Hittites don't play a role in the Epic Poems of the Trojan war.

@pontiacpaul1

Ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 from where and whose ships. They were never a sea faring people .

@pontiacpaul1

Ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 plus the greeks ruled the sea then also

HaHAA! It's just like Columbus calling Native Americans-- Indians!

@GeneralJackRipper

11 ай бұрын

He called them that, because he honestly believed he was in the Indes.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

@@GeneralJackRipper No he knew he wasn't in India, he studied in Portugal and we know they knew exactly what they where after. Just look at the Tordesilhas treaty, unbelievable luck aka foreknowledge.

@CatotheE

11 ай бұрын

It's not. They really were Ethiopians. Ethiopians in the Greco-Roman world was a broader term that almost always referred to people in the Horn of Africa and Sudan.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

@@CatotheE Ethiopians was a Greek blanket term for the caucasians from the the far lands burnet by the Sun, in the west and in the east, where the sun (solar chariot) touches the horizon.

@CatotheE

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 "For the Caucasians." Nah. That depends on what you consider Caucasians, but generally it referred to people from what's Nubia, sometimes Ethiopia or India. This isn't even controversial. It's just facts. Like the fact that Cleopatra was Greek. “The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically”. - Arrian You can make the argument that Memnon himself wasn't Ethiopian or that he was only partially Ethiopian. You could point to the indeterminacy between Ethiopia south of Egypt and Ethiopia in southern India, but this is a case where people aren't actually making it up. People in the Mediterranean had much more contact with people in modern Sudan than India, because of it's proximity. Usually, that's what they were talking about.

This guy needs to some more research, many African countries stretched across the red sea that includes Ethiopia and Somalia

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

Irrelevant. Memnon is NOT a African "black" hero. He does NOT exist in African history mythology or culture. Do some research.

@c.rutherford

11 ай бұрын

Netflix will never do Mansa Musa who really was a black king, and I know why. Because he owned thousands of slaves. It just doesn't jive with the Americanized message they want to put out, which is basically portraying famous black people nobly struggling through history against "White" opression and racism. People who in most cases were never even black 😵‍💫 and whose would-be oppressors didn't even understand skin color as race

@damionkeeling3103

11 ай бұрын

Did they stretch across the red sea in ancient times. Ethiopia controlled much of Yemen in the 6th century but that was centuries after the fall of Rome and around 1800 years after the Trojan War.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@damionkeeling3103 irrelevant... What are you talking about?? It's a mythical kingdom. Did you not listen to the video. Ethiopia was nothing to do with the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia. The kingdom of Aethiopia does NOT exist in African history mythology or culture.

Ive come back to this video now im not even convinced memnon was a real guy. If claims are all we have then i claim all claims are false without proof

@EudaimonV

9 ай бұрын

Memnon is a Mythological character in Hellenic culture. No one claims him to be a real historical figure. Only Afrocentric people mostly Afro-Americans trying to claim Memnon as a real historical African hero. That's just ridiculous.

@truth9415

9 ай бұрын

things white people do when they are in denial 😂🤣

Good video like always. The good thing about myth is it is supposed to be interpreted and contextualized by the teller so even if he was or wasn’t originally African it isn’t wrong if he is depicted that way. That is the fun of myths and legends.

@saratmodugu2721

11 ай бұрын

4:45 they conquered that far, much like the real life Taharqa who conquered according to the edifice by the Sacred Lake of Karnak in Taharga's temple of Amun-Re: "northern hill-countries, southern hill-countries, Fnh.w (Phoenicians?), all lands, the Shasu, Southland and Northland. bowmen of the deserts, Libyans (Thn.w), and everything that the Euphrates encloses (nw b phr wr)” And when was the Illiad composed? Because its after Taharqa’s conquests It’s clear he’s a mythological stand in for Nile valley civilization. With transmitted information that Egyptians (children of Egyptus) are descendants of Ephasus (great grandfather of Aegyptus) (Osiris), the ancestor of the “dark Libyans (very dark berbers bellow atlas mts and draa river), and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk (Trogladytes south of the fezzan) and feeble Pygmies (central africa south if the land of Yam)” Due to how ancient the trojan war is, they assumed a nubian dynasty ruled egypt just like Dannoi mythology says

@OldDawg-mc3dy

11 ай бұрын

B/S

@bensondavido4525

11 ай бұрын

@@saratmodugu2721 I always kind of thought that Memnon was a stand in for a Pharoah of Egypt. Could be Taharqa. It’s interesting to think about it that way

@bensondavido4525

11 ай бұрын

@@saratmodugu2721 this is a good explanation of that idea. Very Interesting

@saratmodugu2721

11 ай бұрын

@@bensondavido4525 well when Homer was alive, the contemporary Taharqa made the kushite empire the richest & largest to ever exist until Assyria & then Scythia replaced them as hegemons

16:00 I like the indo european anachronisms with bronze age politics. However Aethiopians were known and in greece since the Minoans as seen in the Murals as well the colony of the Colchis (The Nart Epic of Abkhazia, Greek poet named Pindar, St. Jerome, Herodotus) 4:25 or that Zeus and the gods are visiting the most powerful people in the world who conquered more land than any other 4:45 or, here me out, they conquered that far, much like the real life Taharqa who conquered according to the edifice by the Sacred Lake of Karnak in Taharga's temple of Amun-Re: "northern hill-countries, southern hill-countries, Fnh.w (Phoenicians?), all lands, the Shasu, Southland and Northland. bowmen of the deserts, Libyans (Thn.w), and everything that the Euphrates encloses (nw b phr wr)” Their tributary empire was much like Athens which the greeks considered to be an empire And when was the Illiad composed? Because its after Taharqa’s conquests It’s clear he’s a mythological stand in for Nile valley civilization. With transmitted information that Egyptians (children of Egyptus) are descendants of Ephasus (great grandfather of Aegyptus) (Osiris), the ancestor of the “dark Libyans (very dark berbers bellow atlas mts and draa river), and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk (Trogladytes south of the fezzan) and feeble Pygmies (central africa south if the land of Yam)”

So what do the Ethiopian Myths say about their origins? Do they have a Memnon type figure?

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

No. Memnon does NOT exist in African history mythology or culture. The mythical kingdom of Aethiopia doesn't exist in Africa. It only exists in Hellenic mythology. Memnon and the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia in Hellenic mythology don't exist in African history mythology or culture.

@j.obrien4990

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV I know that Ethiopia is made up of several ethnic groups but do they call their country Ethiopia?

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@j.obrien4990 Irrelevant. Listen carefully to the video it explains. Homer locates The mythical kingdom of Aethiopia was believed to be in the far East where the sun rises. Because he was born, lived and traveled near the area of Anatolia. He probably came in touch with people traders from Asia And Asians are darker of skin. Herodotus would later change the location of Aethiopia in his travels to Egypt and came across Nubian Egyptians who were even darker and puts Aethiopia South of Egypt and Libya. IN 1200 AC they would take the name and create the country of Ethiopia we know today near the horn of Africa.

@fabiofernandes9122

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV no when he said aethipia he was refrencing sub saharan region where the nubians were.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

@@fabiofernandes9122 sorry but No. Homer locates The mythical kingdom of Aethiopia to the East. Not South. The kingdom of Aethiopia doesn't exist in African history mythology or culture.

History is an interesting subject because coatail riding in everywhere. Romans and Greeks were not Celts, Vandals, Franks, Serfs and Norsesman. These were the people the Roman and Greeks conquered. Another thing....9 out of ten people are NOT descendents of aristocracy of ancient culture. Most of are come from the peasant or working class.

I imagine you'll get a lot of haters from this.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

They give him views and comments which will help with the alg.

No Memnon and all other Greek people were and are not black. Why is there so much nonsense?

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

This is exactly what the video is trying to prove. That today people would believe whatever you throw at them. Like dog's chasing a bone. Afro-Americans and Afrocentric people are creating racism and hatred with their facistic ideologies.

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

Memnon wasn't Greek, not even in the story.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 Your Wrong. He spoke the Hellenic language. He believed in the Hellenic God's. His name is a Hellenic name. His parents are of Hellenic decent. Nothing indicates otherwise. He is a Hellenic Hero. In Hellenic Epic Poems. Created by Hellenic Scholar's. Written in the Hellenic language Based on Hellenic Mythology. Related to Hellenic Culture. What is sure is that he is NOT described being a African or Aethiopis Hero in the Epic Poems. What is sure is that he does NOT exist in African history mythology or culture. So again keep digging.

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV All the Above applies to other Trojan heroes in general as well and Troy is associated with the Luwian Willusa not some Hellenic settlement. This is more Greeks recording their neighbours through their lenses. Like how Luwian-Hittite is Hector in the Trojan war myth?. Does change the fact that the site of Troy is Luwian.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 OMG. You are AGAIN confusing history with mythology. Are you that arrogant and desperate. Let me help you out AGAIN. In History at the time 1200bce the area was controlled by Hittites under the name of Luwian and region of Wilusa. Where mostly Hittites lived and a small number of Hellenic people. A great war happened mostly amongst themselves which others around the area also took place like the Mycenaeans and then came the dark age. 300 later after the dark ages. The islands and the area there was colonized by Hellenic people under the name of Troy in the region of Ilion. Homer being close from that area heard about the Hittite kingdom and a great war that had happened and so was inspired to write his version about the war from a Hellenic perspective. Related to Hellenic Culture based on Hellenic Mythology. From the region Ilion he came up with the name of his epic poem the Iliad. In the epic poems it's a dispute between Hellenic people. There is no mention of Hittites. Stop making up something out of nothing. You are taking whatever you like to get what you want.

Herodotus said the Ethiopians as we know them today we're black skinned with wooly hair and that the Egyptians looked at them as their forefathers. He must have been drunk or not so bright?

@EudaimonV

9 ай бұрын

Well because Herodotus in his travels to Egypt came in contact with Nubian Egyptians and Kushites. And referred to them as Aethiopians. Not every person living in Egypt. Ethiopia did not exist as a country back then like we know it now.

@EudaimonV

9 ай бұрын

The problem is with today's woke craziness. Afrocentric Afro-American Facists. Uneducated and brainwashed people desperate to be recognised. These are the people that can not understand the difference between Mythology history and geography. And they are mixing and matching whatever they like to get what they want. It's Sad ridiculous Weak, Pathetic and Unethical.

@ikengaspirit3063

9 ай бұрын

@@damionkeeling3103 So he got the Colchians wrong but certainly it proves that the Greeks considered the Ethiopians and Egyptians to be related and to have some similar appearances that distinct them from other peoples like the kinky hair.

I’ll just answer the title… NOPE!

@agentofchaos7456

4 ай бұрын

Philostratus The Elder literally said that Memnon was a black man.

POCs crying in the comments as usual...

Are there any serious arguments to Eos being of an ancient Indo-European goddess as mentioned? Or is this just something we should feel as Indo-Europeans as a very ancient god of ours? Many gods of ancient Greece are believed to have a local origin, possibly Pelasgian. It would be rather surprising to have gods and myths transcending 50 centuries of separation between Indo-european people like in the imaginary world of Dumezil-Tolkien. Also Macedonia is among the relatively wettest parts of Greece, not an especially dry place, when compared to the Cyclads for example. I strongly recommend a visit to Greece, it is a beautifull country where history and mythology is at your feet.

@godskingssages4724

11 ай бұрын

What are you rambling about? Eos is quite clearly the same Goddess as the Vedic Ushas, the Dawn goddess -> - Dawn Goddess, aka, *Diwós Dhuǵh₂tḗr, the 'Daughter of Dyēus' - PIE “H₂éwsōs” = ‘dawn’ - Related to: *h₂(e)wes- ('to shine, glow red; a flame'); *h₂ews-om (‘gold', ‘glow’); *h₂ews-teros, (‘east/toward the dawn') - PG *austeraz (ON austr) - #Vedic/Iranian Ushas, Greek Eos/#Aurora, Lithuanian Aushrine, English Eostre.

@petrapetrakoliou8979

11 ай бұрын

@@godskingssages4724 So the dawn was bright in different parts of the world where Indo-European languages were spoken. Thank you for pointing this out. But I renew my question: how do we know that Eos is an ancient Indo-European goddess? Eos does mean "dawn" in Ancient Greek, what prevented them of making up that goddess themselves? How informative are these linguistic parallels on the actual religion of Indo-Europeans?

@petrapetrakoliou8979

11 ай бұрын

@@godskingssages4724 Consider an analogy: in French we call God by an Indo-European name "Dieu", but we know in this case that the actual origins are quite clearly Judeo-Semitic. So stating the Indo-European name of a god doesn't qualify him as being necessarily of Indo-European origin. This may sound counter-intuitive, but there is nothing surprising in people using their own language in naming their gods, of whatever origin they were.

@umwha

11 ай бұрын

@@petrapetrakoliou8979 I think the reason we think that Eos was from PIE is because the other PIE peoples also have a dawn goddess basically. Specifically , where the sun moon and dawn are three siblings .

@john2432

10 ай бұрын

😂 you’re not Indo European buddy

According to Hesiod: "For verily Epaphus (a king of Egypt) was the child of the almighty Son of Cronos, and from him sprang the dark Libyans (Africans), and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk and feeble Pygmies." So the Aethiopians were at least related to black Africans and Africa through their ancestor Epaphus.

Gerard Butler is Scottish

@FortressofLugh

11 ай бұрын

exactly, he isn't Greek

@damionkeeling3103

11 ай бұрын

His ancestry is Irish.

I have an issue when it comes to this type of content. Not this in particular. Seems every time ANYTHING is related to Africa it’s always “Questionable?” Aladdin is Chinese. No Debunked videos. Anglo Saxons playing Roman. Nothing debunked. Thor showing up in Marvel films hanging out with Americans and NEVER engaged Scandinavia. Asian actor cast as GIlgamesh in Marvel Eternals. No No debunked video. Tonto and the Lone Ranger. No debunked video. I rarely see ANY OTHER videos asking if so and so was really this or that? Only as it relates to Africa and it’s a diaspora.

I think I will give weight to the ancient writers and witnesses, and what the classical Greeks observed, rather than this modern Eurocentric revisionism. There are a lot of delusional and fragile-minded comments from Europeans/Indo-Aryans regarding Memnon. But the truth usually emerges. Black people have not been the gatekeepers of global history since we were defeated in the last and ongoing race war (that we were not aware was declared). Eurocentrics have been the gatekeepers. But the Eurocentric "house of cards" crumbles every time one little item of historical evidence comes to light that points to a Black origin. Happens every time!! Can you imagine what would happen to your brittle world-view if Black governments took this seriously and started funding rigorous academic historical and anthropological research. Observing the Eurocentric psychopathy, I believe many Eurocentrics would commit suicide when the full truths comes to light.

We Wuz Greeekz 'n shiet!

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

Nah, the Greeks were just stupid and didn't even know their own regional geography.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 You're super smart, nahhh I'm kidding!

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 Whether I am smart enough, the smart man that made the video makes it clear that yeah, the Greeks were too stupid to know the geography of the region they sailed around.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 Yeah, you're even dumber than you think, they only sailed in the Mediterranean and never crossed the Sahara. Of course you might not even know where these places are, but let me tell you...there was nothing beyond that they cared for! If you want stupid for not knowing "things", subsaharan african was living in the stone age until the Portuguese went there, and the black king sold the blacks to the Portuguese for 1 umbrella...I'm sorry if it hurts but it's the truth. I don't see them as stupid for this things, but you are dumb for being ignorant and say this things, that's self sabotage, you're living in a fantasy!

@user-of7or3fd4t

6 ай бұрын

​@@ikengaspirit3063irrelevant.

He's dark skinned on ancient artworks. If he was European he would be considered Caucasian. Lol

@EudaimonV

9 ай бұрын

Your Wrong. In ancient Hellenic artwork he is NOT depicted being a African Nubian character. He is NOT described being a African Nubian character in Hellenic mythology or culture. Memnon is a Hellenic character in Hellenic mythology.

I never even thought he was black but the fact his nose has been broken almost solidifies that he was black, this is a very common thing youll see with certain artwork that depicts africans in a favourite life, similarly Scipio Africanus was the first statue i saw with a broken nose and apon little research i found out he was black also. The roman emperor Nero may have been black. Nero translates to black also.

@EudaimonV

7 күн бұрын

First of all the video clearly says Memnon is NOT described believed or depicted as a black African character in Hellenic mythology from the original source. Secondly what nose was broken are you talking about??? There are no statues of the mythical hero Memnon. Thirdly the video explains clearly that the Mythical Kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology has nothing to do with Africa. Last but not least, the Roman emperor Nero was not black African and his name has nothing to do with the word black. What are you even talking about?? Stop saying things that don't exist.

@514Exc

7 күн бұрын

@@EudaimonV Type Nero meaning in google, basic research will save you a headache. The word Aethiopia does not denote a location but people " of burnt faces ". Heroditus mentoned 2 Ethiopias the second one being present day india. It doesnt matter what he was but he most definitely couldnt have been white, especially if you take natural selection into consideration, is the Mediterranean a natural climate for white skin?

@EudaimonV

7 күн бұрын

@@514Exc Dark skin does NOT mean black African. Secondly the mythical kingdom of Aethiopia from Hellenic Mythology by Homer 8th century BC has nothing to do with Herodotus 4th century BC Geographical Term of Aethiopia. You are mixing history with mythology. The lands South of Egypt and Libya don't come in contact with the Mediterranean Sea. Memnon's parents are Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon. Two Hellenic parents don't make a black African baby. Memnon is NOT described believed or depicted as a black African character in Hellenic mythology. Again what you are saying doesn't exist. Last but not least. Meaning:Black; Vigorous, Strong. Nero is an ITALIAN NAME for boys with LATIN and ROMAN ORIGINS. Carrying the hearty definitions of "VIGOROUS,” “STRONG,” and “black,” Nero is warm like a rich cup of coffee. Nero was originally a Roman cognomen GIVEN to SOMEONE of impeccable STRENGTH." His name is "Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus". Nothing to do with black African or him being black. Stop cherry picking. Stop taking whatever you like to fit your narratives. No where in history is emperor Nero described or depicted as a black African figer. STOP making things up to push your personal agenda.

@EudaimonV

7 күн бұрын

​@@514Exc Now you know. Next time do better. Glad I could help.

@514Exc

7 күн бұрын

@@EudaimonV Look up the memnon bust in the british museum man, do you believe everything you see in youtube videos? Anacalypsis page 56. ....use as evidence of the customs and manners of the times, both of when they were written and previously, and very often of dry unconnected facts which may turn out to be of consequence. Thus Virgil makes( Memnon black^^ as does also Pindar.^ That Pindar and Virgil were right, the features of the bust of Memnon in the British Museum prove, for they are evidently those of the Negro. If youre trying to help you should come with sources no???

to this video's, sometimes dubious, speculation I offer my own: perhaps the black skin of memnon (and Hades who you might, also, have referenced here as black faced) where a cultural memory of the first europeans (who would have had black skin and, perhaps, persisted late in mountainous areas) rather than the sub saharans (who the greeks of homer's time would have had very little if any contact (save, perhaps, through egypt).

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

He presents the most likely outcome based on current abundant evidence, you base just a speculation based in no evidence just because you think it makes you smart. You're out of your depth.

@biteme9593

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 I am reluctant to be claimed 'out of my depth' by a person with no depth at all: As the world's foremost expert on this or, indeed, any subject your primitive mind is aware of, I ask you to witness your complete ignorance of anything in any subject that is not your own onanism

@epicccurusaurelius2634

11 ай бұрын

People have been out of africa a very long time before the first euroopean. The people thaty first got to europe werent black for 1000s of years. They evolved in the middle east.

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

10 ай бұрын

Europeans with bl ack skin? Let me guess..you bought into the cheddar man BS that even the people who made the study came out and said "we didn't say he did, we had a spectrum of darkest and lighter possible skin color" and then the media immediately went with the darkest possible one and said it was fact?

@KALKANIAM

8 ай бұрын

Amon

He came from the land of the black/burnt faced people. Why won't he be black. Edit But let me not just say that and leave from the Syria stuff and the burnt faces stuff, if we assume like many modern historians do that troy is a mythicization of a historical event and assume memnon wasn't entirely a divine figure imputed in, then the Aethiopians from the Odessian placement would be in Canaan and Canaan has its own myths of people and divine being with faces in fire or like fire, so Memnon and the Aethiopians could be some allusion to some Phoenician or Canaanite group. But that's more me spitballing than making a theory I take seriously. Also, Memnon's name being entirely Greek while evidence against being a real figure isn't and end all be all. If anything it could be evidence of allies they're not in usual contact with(or in this case, not in direct contact with as they only knew of them indirectly through seeing them among or hearing of them through their Trojans and Hittites enemies, like Troy isn't even etymologically related to the Luwian word for the city, and that isn't evidence that it didn't exist) so references in Greek words have so much more possibility to win over whatever native name which isn't something unheard of and would be even more likely for an even of the Greek dark ages than the more historical ages of Greece. 7:46 How would an entirely mythical origin of Memnon as evidence of him not being based on SSAs be squared up on the fact that Indians are mentioned among his army. Like what, was ancient India as known to the Greeks also entirely different and actually in the Mediterranean?. Being mythic clearly doesn't exclude a highly exotic origin in the myth. 7:48 I find that hard to believe given the earlier pottery you show us has clearly male figures in fairer skin and the "memnon" with kinkier top head hair. 8:14 So artists drawing figures according to the muses available to them. 8:32 But didn't Greco-Romans believe their gods were universal?. Like calling the Aksumite war God Ares?. We also see the Greeks having the ancestor of the Persians, Perses having a Greek gods genealogy as well so this evidence doesn't hold up. Like again, we also have Roman mythic origins in troy while they're certainly Italian, so the geneology argument doesn't work. 13:50 We have to remember the greek directions would be far more nautically based than based on a Westphalian Map like we use today. Nautically, India and Ethiopia/Aksum are close, that's why Aksum was sometimes called India as well so this doesn't disprove the Ethiopia connection, so it arguably only strenghtens the Ethiopia connection. In fact, this might show why the Odessian placement was the error. 15:07 Isn't Heracles himself a Phoenician import?. So yeah, Memnon being a god doesn't disprove him being SSA in the myth. 15:50 based on a true story type of mythical?. 16:10 So basically, the Ethiopians = SSA connection was right all along but thanks for the explaining video, like come on man being mythological doesn't exclude it from explaining to the people of the time why a certain people are the way that they are like how the area that Helios' son burn was certainly North Africa and not some mythical land that we'll never know or sum, it always referred to Northern Africa like Ethiopia always referred to southern egypt and further south. 17:24 or Heroditus got it right(Ethiopia is west of Greece, and being south is closer to the Sun) and the people that got it wrong are those that assumed it was just due East alone. 17:43 Source, I would like to read up on that interesting encounter. 18:50 I find it funny how you can speculate on the Ethiopians actually being based Indians but somehow the people 500 BC greeks thought they were must have had nothing to do with it. Stinks of Bias. 19:15 And the Greco-Romans themselves thought Ethiopians were dark because they were close to the Sun. So similar tanned logic means that this doesn't disprove the Ethiopian connection. 19:28 Relationship of gods are also notoriously fluid. Memnon could always be a latter grafting, later morphing, later splitting or later combination that was always viewed as SSA. 19:49 Augmia developed completely differently from Memnon tho, so the reason why he was black when that reason developed could always have been distinct from the SSA reasons that developed for Memnon. Anyways, even if you're right, he'll still be basically Ethiopian as a historized figure.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

You are confused. Mixing history geography with mythology. You are mentioning things the video clearly answers. Your not paying attention. Your last statement does not even make sense. How is he Ethiopian when he doesn't exist in Ethiopian history mythology or culture. How is he Ethiopian since Ethiopia didn't exist as a country back then like we know it now. How is he African since his parents are Hellenic. How can he be historized when he doesn't exist in history only in Hellenic mythology. How can he be African when he is related to Hellenic culture and civilization.?

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV Ethiopian is a broad term that initially applied primarily but not exclusively to Nubia. Him not existing in Habasha or South Egyptian stories doesn't prove much. Even if Ethiopia wasn't a country Ethiopia as a regional identity existed, so yes he could have been Ethiopian. I guess the Romans and the Persians are also Hellenic given their mythical ancestors, Aeneas and Persis descend from greek gods. He exists in the Trojan war myth specifically, not any random myth. The trojan war myth is based on history.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 You are confused. Yes Troy excited Yes a war took place, but the hero's in it are mythical. That is why it's called a epic poem. Secondly the kingdom of Aethiopia is not described being South. It was to the east. It wasn't until Herodotus changed the location of Aethiopia South of Egypt and Libya. Thirdly Memnon's parents are Hellenic. His father is a Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon who LEFT Troy and TRAVELED to the East with their first born Emathion. Two Hellenic parents don't make a African Nubian baby. Your example with the Romans and Persians is irrelevant. Mythical speaking through the eyes of the Hellenic people Yes. Just like every mythology from each civilization. But historical speaking No. You must understand what is mythology. You are confusing history with mythology. Big mistake.

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV "Secondly the kingdom of Aethiopia is not described being South. It was to the east." It is also described close to the Sun and Ethiopia is both, East of Greece and closer to the Sun. We have no strongly mapped evidence before Heroditus so for all we know Heroditus was giving us the location it was always known to have. Memnon's parents are gods and demi-gods, no different to the mythical ancestors of the Persians and Italians and those aren't Greek either. "His father is a Tithonus a prince of Troy brother to Priam king of Troy and Eos a Titaness in the Hellenic pantheon who LEFT Troy and TRAVELED to the East with their first born Emathion." So similar to Aeneas origin a trojan prince father and hellenic goddess mother but the people of Aeneas are Italians not Greeks. "Two Hellenic parents don't make a African Nubian baby." If they can make a Persian and Italian baby in Greek myth why can't they make a Nubian one as well?. "Mythical speaking through the eyes of the Hellenic people Yes. Just like every mythology from each civilization. But historical speaking No." Well, you're the one that said I should drop the historicized myth angle so the only angle that matters is the mythical one to ancient Greeks. Even the Lugh guy admit that yeah it could have been referring to a real ethnic group from the beginning but for some reason thinks that it could only have been referring to Indians and not the SSAs that Heroditus identifies them with.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 Oboy. Again in the eyes of Hellenic people in mythology Romans and Persians come from Hellenic decent from god's. But that doesn't mean they we're Hellens. Stop mixing and matching whatever you like to get what you want. Again it's clear you have no idea the concept of mythology.

I am very glad about this controversy about Cleopatra and race, while I am not really bothered, it strikes me as strange that Robert Downey junior can blacken up and play a black person and Sir Ben Kingsley can blacken up and play the first president of Pakistan, all these people complaining about Cleopatra never said anything about it. So white playing black is ok but God save us if black should play white. Correction, he played Ghandi.

@nolanolivier6791

10 ай бұрын

No offense, but your comment seems somewhat misinformed. Robert Downie jr's 'blackface' was literally intended to be a parody of the attitudes of corporate Hollywood towards both Black actors and Black characters. That is extremely different from basic blackface. As for your comment on Sir Ben Kingsley: his original name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji. He is not a white man. He is mixed-race of Indian heritage. Further, he did not even engage in cosmetic 'blackface' for the role. But the primary issue with either of your points of criticism is that neither represents a fundamental deviation from established and well-documented historical record, nor can either be wholly described as bald-faced cultural appropriation. 'Ghandi' never made any attempt to redefine the identity of its protagonist as anything other than Indian; nor was the casting of Sir Ben Kingsley a misrepresentation of the subject character. As for Downie's character, it may be described as offensive on one or more levels; however, regardless of its offensive degree, it remains clear parody. Neither example represent a valid equivalent to Pinkett's representation of Cleopatra.

@jimtripman9002

10 ай бұрын

@@nolanolivier6791 No offense but your reply seems to be somewhat misinformed. My fault for not making things clear to those with limitations. The point was " Offence taking " regardless of being a parody, black people could have taken the position of, "how dare Hollywood still feel the need to have an actor do black face" Or in the case of Ben Kingsley " how dare they not use an authentically Indian actor" Any group of people can " claim " Offence for any reason. " Offense taking" for anything. What stood out to me was that it felt that 90 percent of the complaints came from Egyptians and not from Greeks. As Cleopatra was Greek as history claims, note that some academic say some in her family (sisters) may have been mixed race. As I said people can take offence to anything and on this occasion it seems that the Greeks themselves did not seen that bothered. Maybe the modern Egyptians think they are white, or are coming to the realisation that ancient Egypt has nothing to do with them directly.

@DianeBethra

2 ай бұрын

@@jimtripman9002 The reason Egyptians took offence at the portrayal of Cleopatra is simply down to their pride in their own history. It's not Greek history so mostly Greeks don't care one way or the other. Cleopatra was the last ruler of Egypt who ruled an independent country for many hundreds of years. Nearly everything the woman did was to preserve Egypt's independence, she was a savvy politician using whatever means she could in a world ruled by men, and when she died Egypt came under roman administration as part of their empire. Therefore Egyptians are proud of Cleopatra and intensely dislike Hollywood changing known facts about her and her lineage simply to suit Hollywood's current thinking. It was 'supposed' to be a factual programme that completely messed up one of the fundamental known and recorded facts about their main character and her family. Why would ancient Egypt have nothing to do with modern Egypt? It's their history and their ancestors. Why would they not care about their heritage?

Short answer: No.

Don't people get it, everything and everyone was black . 🙄🙄🙄

@ryanorionwotanson4568

11 ай бұрын

Made by small hat HYKSOS 👹 that hate us, and want to enslave all gentiles.

@christopherogundare6049

11 ай бұрын

As opposed to everything being white, right? Even Pharaoh Rameses II was white from Greece? Let us have an informed debate and unlearn your biases bro

@chillthompson3387

11 ай бұрын

@@christopherogundare6049 No debate.. It was Cleopatra that was Greek, Ramses only had red hair.. that doesn't mean anything other than his hair was red.. Do not insult my intelligence.. like I stated before, all things were black.

Caucasians develop darker skin too, so is safe to say that Memnom is just a greek with olive skin

@egyeipala673

11 ай бұрын

Kostandis Loukos:"Aethiopia is a greek word coming from aethiops. If the ancient black people spoke greek, they would have called Greeks leykopes, white face, or something like that..."

@JapaneseMonke

11 ай бұрын

@@egyeipala673 Cope

@cowboybeefcake162

11 ай бұрын

No. A collective of non-Gentile people control Hollywood and Western media in general, and they say that White people have no culture or history, so the answer is 'No'. So, Caucasians both don't exist, and are the greatest threat to "our democracy".

@SimpleMinded221

11 ай бұрын

@@JapaneseMonke No, calling an olive skin person " ethiopian " is a cope Greeks made it clear who were Ethiopian. They even said those too white like women or other tribes or those too black like ethiopians are cowards, but those INBETWEEN the both of them, like the Greeks are the best.

@JapaneseMonke

11 ай бұрын

@@SimpleMinded221 Memnon is a Greek with Olive Skin, cope. His father was Greek his mother was Greek, so Cope with your afrocentrism.

Short answer yes

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

Short, But wrong. Memnon is NOT described being a African Nubian character in Hellenic mythology. Educate yourself.

@kevingonzales8304

10 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV bro everyone know the geeks was black read a book

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

​@@kevingonzales8304What book are you talking about??

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

​@@kevingonzales8304 Where are all the African Hellens now??

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

​​@@kevingonzales8304nyway Hellens are not African. Memnon has nothing to do with Africa. That is a fact. Educate yourself. Please respect.

Rome had a couple “black” emperors lol guess most people don’t know that

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

Who where they?? Prove your claim.

@damionkeeling3103

10 ай бұрын

Rome had zero black emperors but it did have a few that came from North Africa and the Middle East.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

​@@Julia98765Irrelevant. Memnon has nothing to do with Africa.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

@@Julia98765 exactly this video is explaining the mythology of Memnon. Afrocentric Afro-Americans are trying to claim everything. From Hellenic culture to China. It's Sad ridiculous and Unethical.

The vase being called the Departure of Memnon for Troy does not appear to depict Memnon. I cannot find any reason the black archer is being called Memnon. There does not seem to be a name attached. The scene depicts an Aithiopian archer flanked by two Amazons. Memnon is typically depicted in Greek style armour and armed with sword and spear and even with long hair, something Aithiopians never are. There is another vase called Memnon and attendants which depicts Memnon and two Aithiopian attendants. It looks like Memnon was a Greek/Trojan type man who ruled over the black skinned Aithiopians. That's how classical Greeks appear to have seen him.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. The amphora related to Memnon showing an Aethiopis with a bow is describing his army which was huge. Plus it doesn't match his armour given by Hephaestus.

@ikengaspirit3063

11 ай бұрын

"There does not seem to be a name attached" Neither is any other pottery "The scene depicts an Aithiopian archer flanked by two Amazons" Those look like men to men "Memnon is typically depicted in Greek style armour and armed with sword and spear and even with long hair, something Aithiopians never are" Like with ur Amazon example, armours of foreign peoples varied from greek to foreign in their art, so ranging from Hoplite to more streotypically Aethiopian bow and arrow makes sense. And who said Aithiopians can't have long hair? or that Greeks won't depict an ethiopian hero with long hair.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 there are NOT that many depictions of Aethiopians In ancient Hellenic artwork. And what ever we have show them with short hair. Irrelevant. Your wrong about his name let me help you because it's clear you are not paying attention to the video and if you pause when Eos has Memnon in her armes you can see his name above his head clearly. 14:40 So don't lie to yourself and stop being in denial. Do some research.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Eos_Memnon_Louvre_G115.jpg/483px-Eos_Memnon_Louvre_G115.jpg And there is more were that came from. But there is only ONE amphora related to Memnon showing an Aethiopis. (And yes they probably two Trojans beside the Aethiopis soldier. The narrator just got confused because he was talking about the Trojan army in general.) But that is not the point.

@damionkeeling3103

11 ай бұрын

@@ikengaspirit3063 Black figure style depicts women as white. The Amazons are depicted with Greek style armour and weapons generally as seen in the women holding Greek style shields. Names of figures are often included in Greek pottery but my point was that there is no name here labeling the archer as Memnon so why was his name attached to this figure unless he does appear on this vase but on the other side of it. Not sure the point of your last comment, you're arguing for something that there is simply zero evidence for.

May I also add. Africa is rich and beautiful in its own stories of God's Heroes history mythology and culture. No need to claim Hellenic culture. To give you an example. 20 years after Cleopatra's death. The Kendake from the kingdom of Kush and Queen Amanirenas Who fought the Romans and defeated them is a true and real Nubian African ("black" in today's modern American way) historical African Queen. Jada Smith and Tina Gharavi they say about African Queens but instead of focusing learning and teaching people about them they would instead try to take a already known popular figure and race swap. Just like they did with Achilles. Instead of talking about Sango Dorobo Mansa Musa etc. For example.

Yes,he is cushitic,dark skin Ethiopian..

@EudaimonV

28 күн бұрын

Not in the original Hellenic source.

Amos 9:7 King James Version 7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?

Black people don't only live in Sub Saharan Africa even today.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

Irrelevant. Memnon is NOT a African character.

@buteos8632

11 ай бұрын

What do you mean black people? Are Dravidians black? Are Andamanese black? Whom do you speak of?

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

11 ай бұрын

@@buteos8632 no the Dravidians aren’t black like Africans. The Andaman islanders are black like us however they are more genetically akin to Europeans and Asians than Africans. They just shit on your concept of race.

@kudjoeadkins-battle2502

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV I disagree.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 disagree with what exactly.??

No, Memnon was a Trojan, not black. He just became 'the king of the Ethiopians', which could mean south Asians as well as Africans. Just another story about whites ruling over exotic far-away peoples.

@saratmodugu2721

11 ай бұрын

Well, danaus is the grandson of ephasus, so are the dannoi from a Nubian and nerid?

@ario4795

11 ай бұрын

@@saratmodugu2721 Epaphus was the son of Zeus and the Greek princess Io. He was king of Egypt but was of Greek origin.

@saratmodugu2721

11 ай бұрын

@@ario4795 princess in greece, this is age of when the earth was starting to be populated Ephesus was burnt black, hence his descendants being all black. Greek myth states they were black because the sun burned their skin because the region they were by which the greeks ascribe their skin to be pitch black So unless you consider "dark Libyans, and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk and feeble Pygmies" as greeks in africa, then Ephasus, Nilus, & aegyptus, & belus are black Africans

@ario4795

11 ай бұрын

@@saratmodugu2721 According to Greek mythology Epaphus was the son of Io who was the daughter of Inachos who was the king of Argos, in Greece. Zeus touched Io and she gave birth to Epaphus who became the king of Egypt. Later his descendant Danaus returned to Greece and claimed the throne of Argos precisely because he was descended from the king of Argos. If this refers to a real event then Epaphus could be the Hyksos king Apophis. The Hyksos period coincides with early Mycenaean Greece. Io is also said to have married the Egyptian king Telegonus, who could be Sequenenre Tao, the father of Ahmose I, the founder of the 18th dynasty who was contemporary with Apophis. Ahmose's mother was queen Ahhotep, who is referred to on an Ahmose stele by the title "Mistress/princess of the Aegean shores". Artefacts in her grave have distinct Aegean/Greek characteristics. The name 'Ah' (hotep) means 'the moon', as does the name Io. In the Greek mythology Io was turned into a white cow and wandered to Egypt, being chased by a gadfly. Her son Epaphus was also known as Apis, who in Egyptian mythology was a black bull who was the son of Hathor (a white cow), or Isis, a moon goddess who also took the form of a cow. In Ahhotep's grave there is a gold dagger with a cow's head with crescent horns depicted on the handle, and a necklace with three large gold pendants in the shape of flies.

I think the Netflix Cleopatra series, and similar productions, are attempting to construct a mythical history, almost like a religion, for African Americans. That's why they cast an African American actress, as opposed to a black African actress, to play Cleopatra.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

Why should they even cast a African Nubian actor in the first case. Cleopatra is NOT a African "black" Queen.

@bigbadseed7665

10 ай бұрын

Make no mistake, I agree with you. Cleopatra was not black. I'm just saying, I think the fact that they chose an African American actress reveals their intent.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

@@bigbadseed7665 she's is African British but I get your point.

@cameo1013

7 ай бұрын

The actress was mixed race

Decent video, however wrong about the depiction at 8:10 that’s clearly a black person. The hair and the style of dress he looks like a Nubian archer. The other depictions are what you claim to be an artistic expression. It’s obvious that individual is of Nilotic origin.

@EudaimonV

9 ай бұрын

No. What are you talking about. At 8:10 he is a Hellenic just like the rest in 7:05.

Well said. May I add. Memnon in ancient Hellenic times wouldn't have been referred as an Aethiopis himself. Neither was he believed to be as one like today Afrocentric people think. We must understand what is Mythology. Mythology is the telling of a story. Mythology consists of Phycology Anthropology Sociology Literature History Religion and Science related to the culture who created the story. Mythology goes beyond the borders of one's civilization to explain the story and world around. Mythology reflects the culture in which it comes from. Hellenic civilization is known to be colonizers. From Spain north Africa Italy around the Mediterranean Aegean and Black sea all the way to Anatolia. Everyone has the right to believe what ever they like, personally. It's there fantasy there imagination there right. But what Afrocentric people are trying to do is claim Hellenic culture as there own and also speak in behalf of the Hellenic people and a whole civilization how they believed in there own myths. Which is Ridiculous and Unethical.

@Thyalwaysseek

11 ай бұрын

"To conceal the truth by myths prevents contempt of the foolish, and compels the good to practice philosophy." - Sallustius, 4th century philosopher

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

​@@Thyalwaysseek Ok what is your point??

@Thyalwaysseek

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV Point is mythologies should never be taken literally.

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

@@Thyalwaysseek Ok agree. I always say everyone has the right to personal believe whatever they want. It's there imagination it's there fantasy. It's there right. But what Afrocentric people are doing is wrong. Trying to claim Hellenic culture. Talking in behalf of the Hellenic civilization. Telling people what Hellens believed which they have no connection to.

@Thyalwaysseek

11 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV I agree. I am just reiterating that mythologies shouldn't be taken literally, I like listening to this guy's channel but he often takes the symbolism in these mythologies literally.

Wait a minute, It just occurred to me: Suppose when the Greeks stated that Memnon was Aethiopian, they really DID mean he was Black, just like all the other times they used the word Aethiopian. Now Priam (the King of Troy) was Memnon's uncle, wasn't he? Which means it was highly likely that Priam was of Aethiopian origin or Aethiopian phenotype, no? Which means it was highly likely that the Trojans were of Aethiopian phenotype, no? So the Greeks were fighting a phenotypically Aethiopian Trojan people, no? On top of that, I read that “In the Odyssey, Odysseus is said to be 'black-skinned and woolly-haired' - at one point we're told that Athena makes him beautiful by restoring his natural black skin colour [see, Odyssey 16.175],” is this not so? He was ancient Greek, right? So were the Ancient Greeks phenotypically Aethiopian? And so, was the Trojan War a phenotypically Aethiopian on phenotypically Aethiopian conflict? (You know: Black-on-Black violence). Which means the "classical" Greeks like the Macedonians et. al. came much later in history, and the eurocentric representations in all those documentaries and Hollywood movies were false!!!! OMG!! How could this happen?

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

Omg. What?? Stop making things up to fit your narratives. It's sad wrong and Pathetic. Have some respect for Hellenic culture and the epic poems.

@plugmanjohnson7456

10 ай бұрын

No greek people are greek. They had different ways of describing people, oddysuess was just a tan curly dark haired greek, which is a pretty common type of greek

@damionkeeling3103

10 ай бұрын

As you say, he was a member of the royal house of Troy so was a Trojan. He married the queen of Aethiopia and became King as part of a dynastic alliance of the two kingdoms. Odysseus is described as fair skinned and blonde - book 13 line 395 in the Odyssey. I'd love to know where you got the idea he was dark skinned and woolly haired from.

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

@@damionkeeling3103 you are correct about Memnon and Odysseus not being African but Memnon does NOT married into anything.

@damionkeeling3103

10 ай бұрын

@@EudaimonV Thanks, that was just speculation on my part for how a possible Trojan ended up as a king in Africa. It would be great if the third book on the Trojan War centred around Memnon was found one day. Maybe the House of the Papyri has a copy.

Thanks for the info. could do with less pandering to the feelings of the "we wuz kangz" crowd though. The main body of your audience is most certainly proud european descendant people.

There was a black samurai.

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

10 ай бұрын

Lol ok, and?

Thank you so much for this valuable source of real informations . In "odyssey" there were many lands and beings now we cannot find in this world. But nobody can say that there weren't such lands and beings existed. These "Aithiop" theory seemed to have given a topic to anti whites to claim a fake history which they often do these days. ( i'm an south asian by the way ) Nobody ever questions where amazon was and why a forest in south america called by that name. Nobody questions about other lands which were mentioned in poets like odyssey. Where are these lands now ? They all are hidden as this world map is a lie. Same applies to the land of "Aethiops". It's not the modern day ethiopia But anyway it may have been the reason behind the african country to be named as "ethiopia" because of the scorching sun. Don't try to steal history. Try to make your own history with your efforts today. " Stop hatred against whites "

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

What are you talking about.?? This video is explaining exactly that Memnon has nothing to do with Africa. And that the Mythical kingdom of Aethiopia doesn't have anything to do with modern day Ethiopia. Just that the name Ethiopia comes from the Hellenic word Aethiopis. It's not trying to steal Hellenic stories. It's the Afrocentric Afro-Americans that are trying to claim Hellenic culture.

Sorry partner, I really like your content, but in this video I think you were wrong, your premise about the sun must be correct, but Herodotus himself spoke of the existence of two types of Ethiopians, present in the army of Xerxes and even describes their weapons and features. The "Eastern Ethiopians" being probably dark-skinned Indians and the Westerners being Nubians, but other dark-skinned people must have lived in the Mauritanian region, There was no magic barrier preventing dark-skinned people from living near the coast of Morocco. And you focus too much on myths, I know this is your thing, but myths come from somewhere nobody invents them out of thin air, as Herodotus' talk about two types of Ethiopians proves. It's ridiculous to say that they first invented a black people in their minds and coincidentally found them in the real world. And Herodotus reports the tribe of the Macrobians as an Ethiopian tribe south of Egypt. Memmon vase with two stereotypical sub-saharan africans armed with clubs (real nubian weapon described by herodotus too): external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCGvCUv0WoAAKieQ.jpg%3Alarge&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8030f400886259a320f95b26183faa3 1f00b6c0c6a03b280085227ec5a0a88ed&ipo =images In the vase you have show he appears with red curvy hair (Ancient Nubians and Lybians famously painted their hair red with clay.) And to finish Nubian memnon is just much more cooler than anoter generic hoplite guy lol.

@FortressofLugh

11 ай бұрын

your counter argument is exactly what I already said in the video - by the time of Herodotus black people were being called Aethiopians. However, the vast majority of classical art depicting Memnon shows that at that time he wasn't believed to be black African. By the late Hellenistic period he was being depicted that way, showing a clear change in how the average person imagined him. And yes, races are just purely invented in myths and don't have to be based on anything. Or do you believe in Pygmies battling with cranes and Centaurs and so on. It's like how dwarfs began as mythical beings but ended up referring to small people.

@rodrigorafael.9645

11 ай бұрын

​@@FortressofLugh I dont believe this out of nowhere idea of yours, we can use the Gold digging Ants of Herodotus as a exemple how rumors can become insane mythical monstrocities purely out of bad comunication, especialy things about distant lands. To me they heard about black people from Lybians, Phoenicians and Egyptians much time before the bronze age collapse, people traded, goods from far distant lands, than sudan, where avaluable in the mediterranean, and I particularly believe the Maurii of Mauritania to the source for the suposedly western ethiopians. Ethiopian is just about dark skin after all, not about bean sub-saharam african, the eastern indian ethiopians as exemple.

Instead of race swapping achilles why didn’t they just make a movie menmon interesting myth

@EudaimonV

10 ай бұрын

Even if they did. Memnon is NOT a African Nubian character. Listen carefully to the video.

Africa is the soutwest of Anatolua. If Memnon from the East he either Aramaic or if he led Indian and part of Indo Aryan he might as well lead the dark skinned Aryan of India continent. So he might coming out from Hindukush mountains and valleys. Of he led the Armies of the Easy means Memnon led the allieances or conquerod kings of Asians origiins from Anatolia, Persia of the ancients, Arabs, Indians and led his armies to the West to aid Trojans. He might already in Anatolia when the news of Hector demised by the hands of Achilles reached his ears. Had he come much earlier when Sarpedon, Cygnus, and Hector were still alive, the Greece would have been vanquished by The Trojans

@EudaimonV

11 ай бұрын

One thing is for sure Memnon is a Hellenic hero in Hellenic mythology. Not African like Afrocentric people want to believe.

Another thing you should consider that many of today’s Greek people are European rather than original Ancient Greek who were darker skinned. In Egypt we know they were not like Elithabeth Taylor , because many of people who lived in Alexandria city were originally Greek.

@carsonc29

10 ай бұрын

negative on that..there are literally sculptures from that time period that clearly show the Greeks as white...people in that region arent as fair skinned as those in Northern Europe....I know people think white folk just all look the same..pale skinned..but that literally isnt true at all..so please reframe from trying to black wash ancient greek history..cause ancient greeks were not black...

@Lisa-zi6hb

10 ай бұрын

What you are stating is in fact incorrect you can look up to studies that prove that around 80% of Greeks have the same dna as Minoans and Mycenaeans

@listenup2882

10 ай бұрын

@@Lisa-zi6hb That is very untrue. Wishful thinking. The Greeks kept large numbers of European slaves and this definitely impacted the demography. There was a significant Slavic element that blended into the original oriental population.

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

10 ай бұрын

Firstly, there is many examples of ancient art showing them with fair skin, second, "darker skin" wouldn't make them a different ra ce anyway.

@C.ODubhlaoich-sp3to

10 ай бұрын

​@@listenup2882Ok then..go check the 4th century lion and stag hunt mosaics of Alexander the Great in his birthplace Pella. Then the 4th century BC Alexander sarcophagus in Lebanon, which all match his physical description as they were written. Do you still say "they were darker skinned"?