Violence under Anarchism | Michael Malice and Lex Fridman

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  • @GrimGamingTTV
    @GrimGamingTTV3 жыл бұрын

    Hello to the Lex community 👏🏻

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    @frankpops645

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hello hello and Happy New year

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    2 жыл бұрын

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    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @bmbunch8825
    @bmbunch88253 жыл бұрын

    Should have just watched the entire podcast, but like getting it over 3-4 days in 15 minute clips. Damn tech induced adhd!

  • @BrendanCescon

    @BrendanCescon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same lol

  • @SnackPack913

    @SnackPack913

    3 жыл бұрын

    Unless I’m on a road trip that’s how I do it too

  • @Kwalk1989
    @Kwalk19893 жыл бұрын

    One of the most thought provoking conversations I've seen lex have

  • @patswayze7359
    @patswayze73593 жыл бұрын

    Anyone else think this show is better than rogan?... I do!! Keep it up Lex.. great guest. Great show!!

  • @simonmanzer

    @simonmanzer

    3 жыл бұрын

    It goes deeper for sure. Lex is more introspective and has a better skill at bonding with his guests. Also tends to be more informed on most issues being discussed. Joe is great at selecting interesting guests he seemingly pulls them out of nowhere sometimes when he could get a major celeb on at anytime. Especially Joe’s commitment to health and the guests he selects around health and well being I find very beneficial.

  • @iam4iamWe
    @iam4iamWe3 жыл бұрын

    Wow. He makes powerful arguments FOR anarchy. It's a hard concept to understand and requires a big paradigm shift. I have to agree with everything he said.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    It's not hard to understand at all.

  • @joshbedford4889
    @joshbedford48893 жыл бұрын

    Why is nobody bringing up the court system? The market is not merely kept functioning by means of consumer satisfaction... service contracts and bills of sale (the basis of market arrangements) are binding because they are upheld by the courts. If there is no mutually recognized scholarly authority to mediate disputes and uphold agreements, then what you have is a system of competing gangsters...

  • @uncleherb9617

    @uncleherb9617

    3 жыл бұрын

    We already have private arbitration. Small claims go to private courts. The U.S. court system is so inefficient and inept that you are much better off taking the loss and settling outside of court then waiting years and spending enormous amounts of money on all the bureaucracy. Not to mention that when the government fucks up they go to government courts to decide how much the tax payers will pay for their mistakes.

  • @uncleherb9617

    @uncleherb9617

    3 жыл бұрын

    Most importantly though to your argument.. the U.S. court system does not follow any standard. The supreme court had 4 judges rule in favor of allowing governors to lock down churches. Like... what? How is that even going to a court? There is no accountability, they are just bought by politicians.

  • @Big_Red_Dork

    @Big_Red_Dork

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@uncleherb9617 Churches are just another business 🤷🏼

  • @joshbedford4889

    @joshbedford4889

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@uncleherb9617 There is something in what you are saying. However, do you think that private arbitration could effectively replace government judiciary entirely?

  • @uncleherb9617

    @uncleherb9617

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshbedford4889 Yes, but many other dominoes would have to fall over a long period of time before this. I think it has to start at a community level and scale up naturally.

  • @hamzasaleem7017
    @hamzasaleem70173 жыл бұрын

    One of the best books about these ideas is " Rules Without Rulers" by Mathew Wilson, it's a great intro to Anarchism .. it answers all the valid questions that Lex is asking and many others about power , security, freedom , legality , morality and other essentials from anarchism prespectives

  • @theb1rd

    @theb1rd

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also "Laws of the Jungle" by Allen Thornton

  • @chrisstellers3419

    @chrisstellers3419

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ll look it up, thanks

  • @sathlasdalaraynidridlendar6875
    @sathlasdalaraynidridlendar68753 жыл бұрын

    "Objectivism is based" -Mike Malice

  • @GASmotorsports
    @GASmotorsports3 жыл бұрын

    This all sounds pretty self interested. In some aspects it would give you more choice but the flip side is there wouldn't be any agreed upon social contract. Most the examples he is using assumes a social contract. Even internationally there are things like Nato. Who would protect the environment from companies and individuals? How would people without mental, physical, or financial resources be handled? How would justice be handled? trials? What stops an endless cycle of retribution? how much of human violence in societies is due to human nature and how much is due to failings of the system? if companies do Buisness internationaly what stops them from exploiting local economies and environments (markets don't usually fix this on their own). Its seems like we're switching our obvious problems for a new set of obvious problems. He seems to ignore arguments against idealistic anarchism in practice then digs right into the same argument against idealistic communism.

  • @cyberft

    @cyberft

    3 жыл бұрын

    Most of what he says not only requires social contracts, but also legal contracts. Anarchist have few good arguments.

  • @catocall7323

    @catocall7323

    3 жыл бұрын

    We can take a look at Mexico and all the middle east countries destabilized by war. When government is too weak the result is always myriad warlords(narcos) controlling different regions who are way more brutal and repressive than most governments.

  • @conorwalsh8432

    @conorwalsh8432

    3 жыл бұрын

    You and i can agree to a social contract right now. What would you like

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@catocall7323Caused by government...

  • @theheroofthestory9330
    @theheroofthestory93303 жыл бұрын

    Who does the infrastructure? If someone kills my spouse, do I practice vigilantly law? A lot of questions that don't seem to have good answers. Seems to me that it would create a void that would be filled in ways that haven't been thought through.

  • @glorifiedcrewmemberjrsir2106
    @glorifiedcrewmemberjrsir21063 жыл бұрын

    My question to Malice is- under anarchism, whats to stop people from uniting and forming collectives, and eventually governments of some sort? Anything from a homeowners association to a town with certain laws. What if people like being in groups where they feel safe as a part of something bigger? Maybe you would need some benevolent centralized dictation to make sure that everyone else remains individual (not literally suggesting this, just playing advocate)? 🤔

  • @bigshoots1181

    @bigshoots1181

    Жыл бұрын

    The centralized dictation gets corrupted or presents an opportunity eventually for corruption, so there's no point.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    If you want to join a group then by all means have at it. But if you want to try and subject others to it then you will be meet with resistance by individuals who wish to remain free.

  • @Undone545
    @Undone5453 жыл бұрын

    None of Malice's examples were that of anarchy in the absense of governments. They all existed under the blanket of protection governments provide. How do amazon/apple/microsoft function any differently than a government when they buy up the remaining military assets/functions if for no other reason than to protect their own means of commerce. I do think a benefit of government is that it removes "monopoly of force" as an arena of competetion in the market. Although admittedly civil wars/coups do exist.

  • @joshlockie9285

    @joshlockie9285

    3 жыл бұрын

    Amazon, Microsoft and Apple all cease to exist in the form they do without government cronyism.

  • @reilysmith5187

    @reilysmith5187

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you really want answers for look for them. For instance watch Bob Murphy give a lecture on private law and private defense. And yes, the difference is that private companies are voluntary whereas government isn't. Moreover, just look at America. There are more private security guards. And arbitration is much faster in private courts. Finally, do you really think that Amazon could take on all the military spending of the US? Not even close! It's way too expensive to maintain. Anyway just go look up more stuff yourself if you want to know more.

  • @82fdny97

    @82fdny97

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshlockie9285 so?

  • @Boogaloo_Baloo

    @Boogaloo_Baloo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Government creates monopolies by force. It happens all the time and is happening in California badly with the weed industry. You have to practically be rich already to legally start selling weed. Stores open illegally with the exact same product and get raided by the police but they let the other shops open because they practically pay off the state and city. You have tons of small private companies that are being forcibly shit down by police and leaving special interest stay open.

  • @dmur612

    @dmur612

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Undone I am FASCINATED by your comment, “I do think a benefit of government is that it removes “monopoly of force” as an arena of competition in the market.” What EXACTLY do you think a government institution IS, other than a monopoly??? It would be, in a theoretical AND practical sense, impossible for Amazon, ALONE, to eliminate ALL competition in an effort to monopolize the market. Contrast this with an attempt to start a “competing” government body, in an attempt to absolve you and others, within the jurisdiction of this newly created “competing” government, from having to pay Federal US government income tax; how do you suppose that’d work out??? Now imagine that corporate interests “invest” in the US government to legislate regulatory licensing, safety, environmental, financial, minimum wage “standards” (read: MONOPOLISTIC MANDATES, backed by FORCE) to create market barriers thereby preventing or mitigating market competition...

  • @rodiculous9464
    @rodiculous94643 жыл бұрын

    "I'm worried they would break down the door and take all my vodka" 🤣

  • @pecosroygreed1356
    @pecosroygreed13563 жыл бұрын

    a consistent issue w/ malice on 'philosophical' propositions is the lack of any process orientation. real life isn't a snapshot. what's interesting currently, is that for all intents and purposes, no new '-isms' have been available for about the last 50+ years or so; we've seemingly run out of viable ideologies (even malice admits recycling these ideas from ancient greece) and the current system's corrupt parts grow steadily more evident day by day along with the people's irritation with such things...maybe we're not really as smart as we all think, dancing replacement robot workers aside...

  • @MikeHuntDIMO
    @MikeHuntDIMO3 жыл бұрын

    Wow great clip. I always thought there were better forms of government. Malice made me realize it would be no government. There has to be a bureaucratic renaissance where we rethink how we govern ourselves. Thanks for this lex

  • @ajbleas
    @ajbleas3 жыл бұрын

    I love how Malice "mirrors" what Lex is wearing (Lex = Black jacket and tie with white shirt, and Malice = Black shirt with white jacket and tie!) NICE! :P

  • @michaelnighswonger1694
    @michaelnighswonger16943 жыл бұрын

    The look on Lex’s face at 15:13-15:14 XD

  • @ToiletBaby
    @ToiletBaby3 жыл бұрын

    Lex "but what about violence?" Malice "ok so ebay and car companies..."

  • @MagsN4

    @MagsN4

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ebay which has moderators and paypal who gives you your money back if you ask for it. So he is saying anarchy would work if it had moderators and a totalitarian organization that you go to for protection and everyone is subject to...

  • @konstantinorentoulis6118
    @konstantinorentoulis61182 жыл бұрын

    The beautiful mind's and intelligence that comes out from this semi debate it is worth watching

  • @Boogaloo_Baloo
    @Boogaloo_Baloo3 жыл бұрын

    15:05. I think i get what he's saying. If you take a nihilistic approach then it's already anarchy. I didn't in fact agree or sign those documents, which is what I've been saying, so yea...

  • @bronxmosthated1
    @bronxmosthated13 жыл бұрын

    You guys are so correct

  • @monkerud2108
    @monkerud21083 жыл бұрын

    so yeah he made my point, what anarchism over 6k years produced is this kinda arbitrary power structure. what makes you think just rebooting along the lines of dismantling the gov would make the problem any better, seems to me that the process to do that given a lot of people want to keep it will be so destructive there is no controlling the outcome in terms of power structure.

  • @yeahdudex
    @yeahdudex3 жыл бұрын

    I don't agree with much of anything Michael Malice said in this clip, but I found him interesting to listen to

  • @Gallowglass7

    @Gallowglass7

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thats fair

  • @TheOptimisticCommunist
    @TheOptimisticCommunist3 жыл бұрын

    Capitalist fires you, landlord evicts you...govt is not the enemy all the time...i would love to hear what malice thinks about capitals place in the state..

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    You are not entitled to a job or a roof over your head, as harsh as that may sound.

  • @th2065
    @th20653 жыл бұрын

    I would consider corporations to be the new government. What do we mean when use the word government?

  • @jamesfellows5081

    @jamesfellows5081

    3 жыл бұрын

    For one, that's why I say State. It's obvious what the Corporation is and what the Government is, the less obvious is the State as a whole. A good example recently I heard was Private Prisons. The Private Prison's only customer is the Government, so does it matter that it's Private? Amazon didn't make it's large Profits until it got Contracts from the Government, the Stock Market by Government Policy is integrated into all our Financial Lives. That's the State.

  • @MA-qw8gw
    @MA-qw8gw3 жыл бұрын

    Malice is so right. It’s happening right now. My warlord took my food and my wife. We are literally Somalia right now.

  • @cas343

    @cas343

    3 жыл бұрын

    I mean the lockdowns have led to major food and raw material shortages and divorce laws have made marriage rates plummet so yeah kind of.

  • @cas343

    @cas343

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@harvarken Jokes m7

  • @ptfountainhead
    @ptfountainhead3 жыл бұрын

    Yaron has hijacked Objectivism. I don’t think Ayn would agree how her philosophy is being misrepresented. I used to like Yaron but I think he has a bit of the tds

  • @s3tch2t20
    @s3tch2t203 жыл бұрын

    "We love the Anarchy we have, we hate the Anarchy we imagine." -Stefan Molyneaux

  • @cls880
    @cls8803 жыл бұрын

    Anarchism would work like cartels. Paying them for security wouldn't be optional in their territory, and it would come at the low price of 80% of your profits...

  • @ritalinSolution
    @ritalinSolution3 жыл бұрын

    Malice raised some interesting points, but how would people with no money afford police protection? Are their tiers of law enforcement I can afford?

  • @Big_Red_Dork

    @Big_Red_Dork

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't support full-blown anarchy, but we already have this. If you're in the projects, the slums, and whatever other impoverished area, you're not going to see police support nearly as quickly as you would if you lived in a very high income location. But, I bet anarchy would be even worse than the current state of affairs

  • @caboose3903

    @caboose3903

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Big_Red_Dork That's a myth. I've lived in both high end neighborhoods and low end ones. You see the cops way more in low income areas.

  • @joshlockie9285

    @joshlockie9285

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nothing stopping people from pooling together. There’s some towns in Mexico that have already removed the state. The towns sort out their own protection. If you guys didn’t have someone telling you what to do would you all just die? Wtf

  • @ritalinSolution

    @ritalinSolution

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also, who makes the laws to enforce without a government? Who prosecutes crimes? Also, low income is one thing. How do people with no income receive police protection?

  • @ritalinSolution

    @ritalinSolution

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Big_Red_Dork Might be, I suppose best case would be private policing organizations fighting to monopolize low income ares. Worst would be instead of slow response, no response.

  • @nigo-
    @nigo-3 жыл бұрын

    12:50 "noooo :/" 😂

  • @kevine8089
    @kevine80893 жыл бұрын

    I’d taken a dislike to Malice, but this clip changed my opinion of him.

  • @GingerbreadMan996
    @GingerbreadMan9963 жыл бұрын

    If you are not part of the dominant class in your society you will never have security. It's unbelievable that people dismiss that the military is for all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC. The truth that anarchists will never face is that a huge portion of people are not smart enough and will be taken advantage of by people who are smarter. The reason for government is to offset the insecurity of being a part of a minority class or mentally inferior. Why does this matter? Because the security of the individual is immediately compromised by the existence of people who can be dominated by other people. Anarchism is so insecure that it can never manage to get past the initial stages to reach a point of existence. So even anarchism itself needs a security apparatus.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    Wrong. You are responsible for your own safety.

  • @Boogaloo_Baloo
    @Boogaloo_Baloo3 жыл бұрын

    8:15 mark. I would like to add something. When it comes to security and having people that are willing to put their neck out for others, at the end of the day what keeps us secure is 1. Having people willing to do that job. 2. Having equipment to make the job safer and more efficient. As long as their are those willing there will be someone there to protect. If you think that without a monopoly of police that everyone would be unsafe then you ha e very little faith in your neighbors and acquaintances. Also if this is the case I hope you have a gun. Lol.

  • @Boogaloo_Baloo

    @Boogaloo_Baloo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dallasthornton2374 exactly. Just own a gun. Its not I don't distrust my neighbors but I lock the doors and keep the 🔫 loaded at all times. Why wouldn't wouldn't I have control over my own safely ya feel

  • @zacharychristy8928
    @zacharychristy89283 жыл бұрын

    It seems like anarchism works perfectly as long as everyone behaves rationally with long term goals and complete sets of information, which obviously people always do, right? Im just saying, if you sell anarchism on "government bad" and "people make good decisions" I don't think you've fully comprehended the problem space civilizations operate within.

  • @steratorefriends6596
    @steratorefriends659610 ай бұрын

    Seems like a long way around ending up more or less back where we already are

  • @MimiRAM0NE
    @MimiRAM0NE3 жыл бұрын

    I want more violence options lol

  • @disguyzful
    @disguyzful3 жыл бұрын

    No Kings, No Masters.

  • @rgarcia7392
    @rgarcia73923 жыл бұрын

    Anarchy would deprive the world of a lot of innovation. Why would anyone spend the time and effort to create a new idea when it can be stolen at the drop of a hat.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    Wrong. It would do the opposite. No governmental permission slip to do something. Just because you are fearful and operate on "what ifs" does not give you the right to subject me to your enslavement.

  • @rgarcia7392

    @rgarcia7392

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Somberdemure By definition, anarchy means there is no private property. In other words, the strong rule the weak. That's real enslavement.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    @@rgarcia7392 Wrong. It means you don't rule another being. Owning property isn't another being. Educate yourself. P.S. Just because you say "by definition" doesn't make it "by definition.

  • @rgarcia7392

    @rgarcia7392

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Somberdemure Okay,, can you explain how you prevent a human being you can't rule from robbing your property or murdering you? No. Oh well. I guess you're not the genius you thought you were.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    @@rgarcia7392 How about you articulate yourself better and then come back to me.

  • @weepy08
    @weepy083 жыл бұрын

    No government, and common law system

  • @wikingagresor

    @wikingagresor

    3 жыл бұрын

    All authority is derived from brute force and you cannot have a common law system without any authority backing it up.

  • @disguyzful

    @disguyzful

    3 жыл бұрын

    💯💯

  • @mattro7107
    @mattro71073 жыл бұрын

    Snapple is coyingly sweet

  • @AntithesisDCLXVI
    @AntithesisDCLXVI3 жыл бұрын

    Either way a monopoly on violence will emerge; it always does. Which organization do you want to control it? Some purely profit driven board of directors? Or we the people?

  • @dmur612

    @dmur612

    3 жыл бұрын

    ..And why do you suppose a “profit driven board of directors” would have an interest in waging war and imposing violence??? The primary reason large businesses and corporations become wealthy in the first place is by way of offering products and services to “we, the people” who are willing to VOLUNTARILY purchase. (I will concede that their insidious collusion with government officials to acquire more power and wealth at “we, the people’s” expense is a REAL problem, but would NOT exist in a stateless society.) I cannot POSSIBLY fathom, why ANY business would consider it beneficial, profitable or even plausible to convince OTHERS to wage wars or impose violence against POTENTIAL customers. The reasons governments are so susceptible to such acts of destruction and violence is because they’re incentivized to do so with OTHER people’s money to garner MORE power...

  • @jessebruning6738

    @jessebruning6738

    3 жыл бұрын

    Why would you imagine that "we the people" (if such a group existed) would control that monopoly on violence? What exactly is the difference between with our current system and the 'profit driven board of directors' you refer to? Every level of our government from Pelosi/McConnell, to your local police union, to the prisons in your state is a for-profit enterprise that barely attempts to keep up the pretense of being for your benefit.

  • @dmur612

    @dmur612

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jessebruning6738 Is your comment directed to me?

  • @jessebruning6738

    @jessebruning6738

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dmur612 no, to antithesis

  • @depressedessendonfan5702

    @depressedessendonfan5702

    3 жыл бұрын

    not necessarily. it hasn't on earth. It hasn't on most companies in most industries, and at least not often. You might end up with cartels and cronyism but if the companies depend on people's dollars and can't enforce them to pay with tax then they can lose all funding over night if they steer in the direction that's against the public. All of this would be in the public consciousness and hence a part of the industry. How to avoid such things etc.

  • @user-le8rj7kg8o
    @user-le8rj7kg8o3 жыл бұрын

    I like how in his anarchystic world, monopolys dont exist

  • @joshlockie9285

    @joshlockie9285

    3 жыл бұрын

    You realize that monopolies are created by government cronyism. But you’re a typical statist. You want to be told what to do. Under anarchy it would be everyone’s own responsibility to prevent monopolies. But it’s hard for statists to be responsible for themselves apparently.

  • @reilysmith5187

    @reilysmith5187

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's cause the only monopolies are state enforced/induced monopolies. "Natural" monopolies dont exist.

  • @clumsyjester459

    @clumsyjester459

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshlockie9285 So you are telling me that the majority of people are "statists" that are unable to take responsibility for themselves, yet you propose a society that would demand such responsibility from everyone to work properly? I'd like to throw the "objectivism" argument from Malice right back at you. Maybe don't suggest a utopia that needs completely different people, but take the world as it is. Also, you need to consider that the world got drastically more complex. Yes, in 1600 it maybe was possible to take responsibility for each aspect of your life. If you wanted to do that nowadays, you'd waste your whole life doing nothing else. Also, natural monopolies definitely exist. They existed in the first place, then they got fought by governments for a short period of time and now, after tremendous amounts of lobbying, governments left them a longer leash and sometimes even support them. Nothing new and nothing that can't be pushed back again. So what makes you think that people can fight back against monopolies, if they are a thousand individual companies, when they can't even manage to influence their politicians in the desired direction, where the could concentrate on a single battlefield? Also, instead of getting rid of governments at a time where companies get stronger and stronger, maybe try to reenforce the public control over your government instead. The only working democracy on this planet is currently Switzerland. Get on their level, before claiming that democracy doesn't work.

  • @BlindingGlow

    @BlindingGlow

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshlockie9285 You sound like a goddamn antifa member. That's all I have to say, Clumsy Jester already schooled you.

  • @JxFRESHxFLY
    @JxFRESHxFLY3 жыл бұрын

    Australia pre colonisation 200 years ago

  • @rikquishewright2167
    @rikquishewright21673 жыл бұрын

    Michael makes some pretty good points on anarchist policing of geographical areas, however I see this making communities more nationalistic to their areas and protective of their resources from outside sources. He is right though, government are pretty rubbish at running everything for the most part.

  • @rikquishewright2167

    @rikquishewright2167

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jephthan57 Actual valid point, decreasing supply and heightening demand of geographical resources makes economical sense, idk I just feel like it would be another system people would exploit or invite corruption(?).

  • @brycerichard4005
    @brycerichard40053 жыл бұрын

    But people who hate government also hate corporations. Corporations would literally run cops

  • @code5829

    @code5829

    3 жыл бұрын

    ok but multiple organizations would . what is better, one(the state)? or multiple corporations...

  • @xrendezv0usx
    @xrendezv0usx3 жыл бұрын

    He is so wrong about this one topic. Do you know where the Leviathan of the State does not have a monopoly on violence, allowing multiple organizations to compete over territory and business using private violence? Mexico. In Mexico the state does not have a monopoly on violence. And it is a nightmare, exactly as one would expect. Malice is too intelligent for his own good. Democratically elected officials and public institutions controlling a monopoly of violence is TERRIBLE, except compared to any other system. Anarchy is the default political system in nature. It doesn't work.

  • @duarteguerreiro8970

    @duarteguerreiro8970

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mexico has a violence problem because the government is trying to win a war on drugs that will never stop. That war on drugs creates cartels that are violent institutions. You don't have violent institutions running other kind of businesses do you? And why is that? Because they don't have to fight the government

  • @ItzTheFury
    @ItzTheFury3 жыл бұрын

    The argument starting at 7:30 doesn't work at all for me. All the examples he states are from relatively mundane scenarios and I think Lex didn't get to make his point here. You can't compare bedbugs in a hotel, or a car company scamming someone to physical violence or murder. Because of the consequences. Death is finite. The point of it being problematic that geography defines which constitution you "sign" is a good one. And I can see an argument that a structure like this may have emerged differently in a globally connected world. However, I would argue that this would not happen and any structure emerging after abolishing all states would still be geographically bound. The only thing we can do globally is to communicate, all other actions (sustenance, physical violence, love, reproduction etc.) is still bound by physical space and thus power dynamics would be still profoundly be impacted by physical space.

  • @forthefuture5166
    @forthefuture51663 жыл бұрын

    Sorry to say.. but violence is not the same thing as stealing.. you can use violence to steal. But you can also steal without using violence .think about it .let's say you walk in to a store .. you grab a chocolate bar and you walked out ..did you commit violence to steal that chocolate bar?? the answer is no..

  • @charliedango2664
    @charliedango26643 жыл бұрын

    For all the talk of Michael Malice being some great thinker of our time, his rhetoric relies heavily on his audience not knowing a thing about the world other than what they've read in books or have seen in media. This tends to be the case with many intellectuals of today as their world view is a mixture of surface-level research, imaginative postulation and layman's observation. The conjecture of education over experience works for entertainment, but lacks the necessary substance for any degree of real-world application. Jack of all trades, master of none, as the old adage goes.

  • @Xasew

    @Xasew

    2 жыл бұрын

    You could literally copy and paste this anywhere whenever you disagree with an intellectual. Just swap the name. You didn't mention anything specific, so your post adds exactly as much to the conversation as "I disagree." You just dragged it out and made it sound fancier.

  • @reyalsregnava
    @reyalsregnava3 жыл бұрын

    The inevitable outcome of anarchy is centralized power. See, human history. We started with anarchy hundreds of thousands of years ago. Ended up with nations. The more logical conclusion is that we'll end up with a single governing body.

  • @vgmilo

    @vgmilo

    3 жыл бұрын

    1 example = proves inevitable outcome. Truly genius, a+

  • @reyalsregnava

    @reyalsregnava

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@vgmilo Not one example. Countless empires, tribes and cultures have arisen and collapsed. EVERY other choice has been taken. What we have now, is the least worst option.

  • @vgmilo

    @vgmilo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@reyalsregnava just because this is what we ended up with, doesn't mean it's the best. Logical fallacy. Human society doesn't follow the laws of natural selection. It's not as if we are at some end stage of government, far from it. Your argument does not follow

  • @reyalsregnava

    @reyalsregnava

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@vgmilo Not best. Least worst. A critical distinction. Plenty could be better. But looking at something with thousands of independent attempts and universal failure is BEYOND a moronic plan. It can only be described as malicious.

  • @RanOvaT
    @RanOvaT3 жыл бұрын

    Theft is violence. Wot

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    It is. You are violating someone else.

  • @jermaineflowers1538
    @jermaineflowers15382 жыл бұрын

    What's would happen if the private militia turns on the clients? In California and Chicago they formed groups/militias to protect the communities. Look what they turned into. The people with these beliefs have no real grasp on humans propensity to take advantage.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    You shouldn't rely on others for your safety in the first place.

  • @jermaineflowers1538

    @jermaineflowers1538

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Somberdemure I agree.

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jermaineflowers1538 And the whole "what if" is irrelevant. Just strawman fear mongering.

  • @jermaineflowers1538

    @jermaineflowers1538

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Somberdemure fear mongering huh? We live in a fastly declining country right now that's accepting illegal immigrants from places that hate us all while across the pond people are committing genocides, shooting missiles at each other, and all sorts of diabolical shit and we are paying for it. On top of that every country in the Eastern world, and plenty on this end are turning against America and ditching our currency. It can hit the fan at any given moment right now.

  • @nillyboomer345
    @nillyboomer3453 жыл бұрын

    Theft is not violence. Speech is not violence. Violence is violence. Like hitting someone, hurting them physically. Love you Michael Malice but come on this isn't hard. If I steal your watch when your not looking and run away, I stole from you, but did not commit violence. It's not complicated 😅

  • @Somberdemure

    @Somberdemure

    2 ай бұрын

    Wrong. You committed a VIOLATION.

  • @darrellowings2343
    @darrellowings23433 жыл бұрын

    Honestly I get being provocative but this is just beyond me. Anarchy is chaos and suffering. It's war lords, it's no rules but the rule of the jungle can we stop?

  • @user-oe1kx2oz5g
    @user-oe1kx2oz5g3 жыл бұрын

    Sorry but that's just pure nonsense and not very intellectually deep even. Just take a look at Portland for example. Take a look at Seattle.. Almost wanna call this childish fantasy but it's actually more of a complete disconnection from reality. Normally i enjoy watching this intelligent podcast but this dude malice is not bringing any interesting or good news.

  • @SNCRLYTYLER

    @SNCRLYTYLER

    3 жыл бұрын

    Are you forgetting that to the police and other related institutions are made up of people solely? Why couldn’t this work if you create a community of friends and family and implement your own solutions, under no national government? Do you disagree because of your class, social status, or because you’re so used to society as it is? I think the reason why most people would disagree could be that most people already hate each other and don’t even know their communities or let alone their neighbors. But I could be very wrong. Have a good day!

  • @russv.winkle8764
    @russv.winkle87643 жыл бұрын

    This guy seems think the free market is going to act rational and fair. What happens when Amazon is the security company, Who's going to compete with that?

  • @someotherguyyouknow

    @someotherguyyouknow

    3 жыл бұрын

    Probably say something about monopolies only exist because of the government and of course if there was no state, alternatives to amazon security would emerge because... because they would. You dumb statist! That's the typical line from these types, anyway.

  • @iovei2408
    @iovei24083 жыл бұрын

    When the companies override the human rights, it is dangerous and it has to taken care of but when the governemnt does, it's public good.

  • @jordanwartooth9903
    @jordanwartooth99033 жыл бұрын

    I like Michael Malice, but Anarchism is ridiculous.

  • @davidjensen2411
    @davidjensen24113 жыл бұрын

    #RulesWithoutRulers

  • @jessicarobinson3883
    @jessicarobinson38833 жыл бұрын

    I can’t wait for Babylon to fall

  • @jcolt84
    @jcolt843 жыл бұрын

    Slaves who cannot recognize their very enslavement will never be free. They will just argue amongst themselves about how their owners could best spend their stolen earnings to better their society and improve their lives.

  • @brianholguin6338
    @brianholguin63383 жыл бұрын

    lol has this guy been to Mexico? yeah i wouldn’t want to live in a place that’s a free for all without government or police

  • @joshhoffman6392
    @joshhoffman63923 жыл бұрын

    Michael malice a bit of a slow tool

  • @christianstewart1795
    @christianstewart17953 жыл бұрын

    Malice has underdeveloped understanding of basic human nature.

  • @gung2800
    @gung28003 жыл бұрын

    Dangerous and foolish, but I guess it's fun to watch the world burn, which is why we're watching this video? Weird.

  • @689moose
    @689moose3 жыл бұрын

    Malice says a lot of nothing most of the time.

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