Anarchy clicked for me when I realized that any relationship where consent isn't respected is a breeding ground for abuse.

@OOJokerOO1991

2 жыл бұрын

this

@DD-jm5ug

Жыл бұрын

This 👆 👌

@Jake-cy7to

Жыл бұрын

But if nobody protects your consent, then there's also breeding ground for abuse

@joefization

Жыл бұрын

It's the DEFINITION of abuse

@peterfrance702

Жыл бұрын

The joy of community.

Anarchists believe in not detangling your earphones cord.

@rotoninja

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO.

@crosselen9766

2 жыл бұрын

chaotic evil

@kellyhoffmann1

2 жыл бұрын

It’s ideas like that that got me on board.

@gwho

Жыл бұрын

@@crosselen9766 chaotic neutral.

@mdgraystone

Жыл бұрын

Why can't I reach into the screen and take care of that?

@4:03 "We tend to be peaceful for the simple reason--not because people are basically good, but because violence is expensive."

@ChrisWillx

3 жыл бұрын

Such a mic drop that.

@Menaceblue3

3 жыл бұрын

Ferengi rule of acquisition: Rule # 34: War is good for profit Rule # 35: Peace is good for profit

@legalfictionnaturalfact3969

3 жыл бұрын

The old line that human nature is evil is wrong. Perhaps male nature is, but the male is not default. That's another comment though. :-) What the quote describes is the reason a sociopath doesn't typically get violent outside of a war setting created by collectivist power mongers. Good people don't start shit because it is wrong and they know it is wrong and they have consciences they actually listen to.

@em3sis

3 жыл бұрын

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 Your comment is all over the place making very big claims. Human nature tilts to be self-interested. The reason that collectivists exist is because its beneficial to them, not because they give a shit about the other guy. You don't have to teach a child to lie or steal. They do so instinctively. The heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it?

@magx01

3 жыл бұрын

He's wrong though. Humans are like any other animal. Place us in certain conditions where resources are limited and there's a density of population and disconnection from others and you will see more violence. However, in limited, communal living with high interconnectivity we are remarkably peaceful. This is borne out in both past and present societies which have been extensively studied anthropologically. Hobbes was wrong about history being nothing more than a brutish nightmare.

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do” -Robert Heinlein, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

@m.hughes8605

3 жыл бұрын

@@colleenemmerson5973 I think it's called free will Colleen & your fave author just dressed it up.

@geekvinos

Жыл бұрын

Glad to be reading this. Fleshes out some strongly held, un-articulated convictions.

“ *The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater* .” - Frank Zappa

@profk3742

3 жыл бұрын

Great quote from my favorite musician, and who may be the most inspiring man who ever lived.

@bitrudder3792

3 жыл бұрын

Insert name here - Best user name ever!

@bitrudder3792

3 жыл бұрын

And the quote is awesome, thank you I had not heard that before.

@blazingswayze5518

3 жыл бұрын

And if you resist, you will be put up against that wall.

@gloryrow100

3 жыл бұрын

They started taking down the scenery when they moved 25,000 armed troops on a ,permanent basis around the "Peoples House" Nancy P. = stage manager.

Only a real anarchist would use headphones with the cord like that...

@cryptobeanbag7148

2 жыл бұрын

They still work don’t they

@Catthepunk

Жыл бұрын

😤

Glad he called it by its name: Corporatism. At this point the corporations own the state

@jthemagicrobot3960

3 жыл бұрын

Most folks don't understand that a corporation is a government created entity if you don't have government you won't have corporations

@MundaneThingsBackwards

3 жыл бұрын

@@jthemagicrobot3960 That's hilariously silly. A corporation is a business. It doesn't even have to be large.

@gmsllc

3 жыл бұрын

Govts are corporations.

@Hibernial

3 жыл бұрын

@@MundaneThingsBackwards State courts are what give corporations the legal status of an individual as a business entity, when otherwise they ought to be regarded as capital resources which leaves an individual owner or shareholder as the legal party. Corporations and corporatism in that sense are an issue regardless of the size of a business; subsidized corporations don’t control the nation-state governments, when they’re arms of nation-states through government monopoly on courts, and IP enforcement. And running a business that’s labeled as a corporation means that the State court views running a business as a privilege, because the distribution of wealth and resources is a role legislators claim a false right to.

@jthemagicrobot3960

3 жыл бұрын

@@MundaneThingsBackwards reread what I wrote and then go look up the definition of what a corporation is - see Blackstone's legal dictionary or you can try Wikipedia the answer is very similar in both

"I'm gonna listen to the Cure, write in my diary with fingerless gloves..." Cannot. Stop. Chuckling.

@marcv2648

3 жыл бұрын

I still like The Cure.

@Doobie603

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Why is it that people who advocate for anarchy are the exact same people that couldn't last a day in anarchy?

@marcv2648

3 жыл бұрын

@Grandfather_Din_Racket Hahaha I'll pass on the fingerless gloves.

I’m realizing I might be going the anarchist route myself

@budgibson185

3 жыл бұрын

Lol it’s fake and doesn’t work! Go your own route don’t join this twats tribe..

@SnakeWasRight

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome, bruv

@SnakeWasRight

3 жыл бұрын

@@budgibson185 even though the vast majority of all relationships are anarchist, and the others are completely corrupt.

@maychiu1419

3 жыл бұрын

@@SnakeWasRight you don't need anarchISM to participate in anarchy. Anarchists follow the Ism of Anarchism, I prefer being a Anarchyist myself...

@eurethnic

3 жыл бұрын

There would be a rapid consolidation of power among the super rich. We'd be living under a techno fudalism. I situation we have some chance of avoiding with democracy.

Btw, why do we fear a term our would-be victim made up for us? "Anarchy" is something the government worked very hard to stigmatize. Because without stigma, we wouldn't fear doing it to get rid of them.

@Tryalittlebit

Жыл бұрын

It’s because insurrectionism has been practiced by known anarchists in the past.

@ct00001

4 ай бұрын

Same as the term "conspiracy therorist", a term literally invented by the CIA. Same as the word "marijuana", invented by government for the same reason, to stigmatize and control behavior. They first tried "loco weed" but that one didnt stick.

Loved this one. You did a great job getting him to elaborate and explain his positions, your questions are always on point

I watched the full interview the other day but seeing this clip pop up brought me back, hungry for more! Keep up the great work. Really been enjoying your interview.

@ChrisWillx

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Dylan. I like taking the best bits from episodes & posting them too - some people won’t commit to a full episode without a taster first!

@emersonsimmo90

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx good idea, best to get these videos to as many people to see them as possible and some people don’t have the concentration or patience for a whole episode.

@redarmysoja

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx Hard to go wrong with Michael Malice, he's always a good interview.

@Brandonnutley

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx I'll add that I didn't know about this channel until now and more videos equals more notifications/possible reccomendations by the algorithm. I subbed, looking forward to more content

There are no words for how much I love Michael Malice ❤️

@ChrisWillx

3 жыл бұрын

Podcasting with Malice feels like BJJ rolling with a black belt - no joke.

@johnmaxwell1750

3 жыл бұрын

I am worried about you if you feel that any anarchist like Malice has anything positive and worthwhile to say about human society.

@theQiwiMan

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmaxwell1750 Just because you are far too stupid to see the value in ideas that haven't been spoon-fed to you since your childhood does not mean value isn't there, you're just too dumb to see it. Take care.

@staticGenerator4You

3 жыл бұрын

Genuine concern coming from John Maxwell here. NO anarchist LIKE Malice could have ANYTHING positive AND worthwhile to say about human society. NOTHING...AT...ALL. Sheez, that’s brilliant stuff there.

@johnmaxwell1750

3 жыл бұрын

@@theQiwiMan - There are NO positive values inherent in anarchism. It is about selfishness and self-centeredness. It results in destruction and death. In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, "Au revoir, Gopher!"

The problem is his analogies is they always predict an ideal social reaction to issues like the bartender kicking you out, he assumes people will just leave voluntarily, and two people fighting, he assumes people will break it up.

@bbb911

10 ай бұрын

those analogies do in fact happen

@LambertBowden56

10 ай бұрын

​@@bbb911They don't always happen.

@bbb911

10 ай бұрын

@@LambertBowden56 yet they do happen, and when they do what do you think the reasons are when they do happen?

@julianbirke

Ай бұрын

The problem is when you have two neighboring "bars" that have a dispute, without anyone higher to mediate. It will inevitably devolve to tribal warfare. Whoever has the biggest stick wins.

This was brilliant to watch. I'm newish to the channel and also Michael Malice and I'm so grateful and impressed by this conversation, it's depths and the listening and questions by the host were something I was blown away by. Amazing interview! 🙌🏻🙌🏻 Thank you to you both!

@libernesia

Жыл бұрын

We're new to Michael Malice as well. Care to connect and discuss some ideas? We've just started an anarcho-capitalist "country", if you can forgive the contradiction, and we're debating what's the best way to make it work.

@almas3427

8 ай бұрын

His last name doesn’t ring a bell to all you idiots 😂

@almas3427

8 ай бұрын

He’s promoting Globalist a agenda to get Americans to embrace Anarchy which will then make an excellent case for a totalitarian government

@almas3427

8 ай бұрын

Both the far left and the far right have the same ultimate goal. The only difference is HOW they get to the ultimate goal (Totalitarianism) Although counterintuitive, the only way to fight Globalist Agenda is to be in the middle of the political spectrum and never allow the power to shift too far in any direction.

I can not stand government, rules, and fetters. I can't stand caged animals, People must be free. As for politics, I am an Anarchist. -Charles Chaplin I do not wish to rule or be ruled. I am an Anarchist. If you are hungry I will feed you If you are cold I will clothe you If you are sad I will listen If you are happy I will celebrate with you I do not do these things under threat of fines or imprisonment I do them simply because they are the right thing to do I am an Anarchist I am Free. We are all stardust, Looking back at the stars, trying to understand itself. -Kenneth Mabie

"Delegitimising the state" crucial point.

Marshall Rosenberg's NVC is a great compliment to the anarchist perspective and it's good for overcoming your reliance on the state.

I'm reading Malice's book "Dear Reader" never thought someone could make reeducation camps and struggle sessions sound like a good thing! Love the guy and his dark sense of humor.

I feel so seen. This is the first time I’ve EVER found someone have the exact same worldview as me.

@petereames3041

Жыл бұрын

Read Ayn Rand

14:45 focus on your local community, your direct sphere of influence. turn that anxiety into building up and sowing into your local life. because in any terrible circumstances, with the State intact or not, if your local community falters then none of the macro stuff matters much anyways.

I would drop the bar fight example. Nobody jumps in to break one up. Free entertainment!

@jeffcrist2977

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeff Whitman What is with all the ad hominem strawmen on the web lately? I like Mike. Ease up.

@LambertBowden56

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. Cops are called because many people don't want to get involved either.

Do you have a channel on any other video platforms, like lbry?

Violence IS expensive. Unless youre the consistent winner. Issue with anarchism is most people pre-disposed to violence as a solution also dont worry about the future cost of it, even in the face of losing. Warlordism exists for a reason

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

Irrelevant. You STILL don't have the right to rule others

Make your mark on the world and find your bliss.....you’ve been lied to your whole life by the state. At 56 it’s never too late to take in Michaels message; great interview. Thanks 👍👍

@cedricpod

3 жыл бұрын

How about 69

@rudyinthesky4967

3 жыл бұрын

@@cedricpod is that a reference to age or a sex act?

@rexmann1984

3 жыл бұрын

@@rudyinthesky4967 obviously both, he's 12 and saying 69 is hilarious.

@freeriding666

7 ай бұрын

The Capitalist Church is also bigger than the state. Same for its lies.

People tend to use the word anarchy when they mean that something is chaotic. I waste no time correcting them.

We don't have to funnel every decision through DC - Let individuals or localites work out what's best for them

@veryfitting

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes they're too stupid to do good things for themselves.

@umwha

3 жыл бұрын

‘Localities’. How will localities figure out what’s best? Maybe by talking amongst community leaders and having a vote? That’s politics

@brianomoli4

3 жыл бұрын

Washington inserts itself into everything. It makes itself unavoidable.

@colinburgess4316

3 жыл бұрын

No one is more qualified to live your life than you.

@jdt2003

3 жыл бұрын

@@umwha If you own a business and your locality dictates a minimum wage you can possibly move nearby or attend the council meeting. If DC (or eventually a world gov't) mandates a minimum wage it's much harder to move or change.

I think his airpod cords are in Total Anarchy!!!

@dantimmerman6693

3 жыл бұрын

I have laughing about that since the start of the video. I bet he's doing it on purpose too.

I love his point about how weak the “cathedral” showed itself. They want us believe how strong they are to keep their power, but they are extremely weak.

@m.hughes8605

3 жыл бұрын

That statement is illusory, patently false & does not match reality though it may give some a false sense of comfort. They have taken over your institutions of education, culture, sports & entertainment, law & government & just shut down an American president from speaking freely. How much more flexing of their power do u require to be convinced of their strength & who is in charge. Sigh..

@MicahMicahel

3 жыл бұрын

@@m.hughes8605 it's like the billy story. if the victims united they could overpower the bully. If they never figure this out, the actual strength is an illusion... like relying on a talking frog to save the day.

@JakeWitmer

3 жыл бұрын

If they're weak you should take their power away from them.

@thebiowatchlist

2 жыл бұрын

They are powerful beyond words....that entire area has soldiers everywhere and they would have been at the back of the rioters. They let those morons do what they did because it sealed the deal on ending Trump's time in power. At any moment, they could have ended that 'riot.' People in power are smarter than that. They know they don't need to shoot a small unarmed group like that with a gun. It's more effective to shoot them with a camera.

@cheryllocallaghan4217

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.hughes8605 don’t believe what they are trying desperately to convince you to believe. They are desperate and trying everything they can to show power that they don’t have.

All animals are equal ,but some animals are more equal than others.

I get the impression that Michael has a pretty good grasp on what's _wrong_ with the current system in the US...but I don't know that either his analysis of _why_ it's wrong or how to _fix_ it is either correct or feasible. In fact, it feels more like he's using his own personal *interpretation* of what "anarchy" is, such that most people will misunderstand what _he_ means by it simply by default (b/c his definition is _not_ what's in the dictionary). I get that "anarchy" is such an extreme notion that it gets people's attention, but b/c it has such a negative connotation, he'd do better to come up w/ a _different_ term for his ideas if he wants them to gain more traction.

@mwBZA

Жыл бұрын

This is a very good comment and very astute

@Itsmespiv4192

Жыл бұрын

Nowadays liberals appropriated the word anarchism to justify and perpetuate the capitalist structure

“Anarchism just means voluntary association”. Really? That’s it?

@SausageFingers420

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@SpunkyMcGoo

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@Composer19691

3 жыл бұрын

@@SpunkyMcGoo Vague and sophomoric.

@SpunkyMcGoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Composer19691 You're very smart.

@djxandros9915

2 жыл бұрын

It needs to be a more set goal.. like for example illegal surveillance is definitely a cause to fight for because of the unethical injustice involved

Anarchy means without Government. That results in voluntary association without the threat of state Violence. With a true free market as the means to an end.

@jthemagicrobot3960

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

@praz7

Жыл бұрын

@Sam Smith it can. For example you can trade wheat for rice. Money is nothing but a commodity. Barter system is capitalism of ultimate form.

@whitehavencpu6813

Жыл бұрын

@@praz7 Correct, further more you'd have a free market of various currencies rather than one enforced and regulated by the state.

Malice needs to interview Eric D July

@SausageFingers420

3 жыл бұрын

I would enjoy that very much.

Has he read 'War - What Is It Good For' by Ian Morris and 'The Better Angels Of Our Nature' by Steven Pinker?

Yes, Michael, anarchism does exist among nations. And nations also invade other nations, starve other nations, and drop bombs on other nations. I think if states had a long history or not warring it would be a better example. Japan in 1937 settled its anarchist dispute with China in pretty horrible ways.

@xFlRSTx

3 жыл бұрын

thats because states use other peoples money and other peoples lives, if it was the leaders lives on the line, and the leaders money, the incentives would be totally different

@blnd_9689

2 жыл бұрын

Chinese Communists and Mao killed 50 million Chinese people of their own country.

The problem with the Anarchy argument is the person giving it is either crazy or talks out of both sides of their mouth. And they rarely go into detail on how society would function afterwards

@pedronobrega7693

4 ай бұрын

Yes, they talk in relatively vague terms but no actual detailed practical application taking in account the complexity of societies these days. Sounds good in theory and utopian terms.

@thesilverfish

2 ай бұрын

For A New Liberty. Murray Rothbard. 432 pages of details.

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

Irrelevant. You have no right to rule others. The problem with people like you is that you expect everyone to do your thinking for you.

The example of countries being in anarchy with one another is not a great one if you're looking to sell the idea of anarchism. I doubt you'd want to have a relationship with your neighbour akin to that of India and China.

It’s hard to distinguish his interruption of a archaism and some factions of libertarianism, with the exception that there is an underlying theme is anti-assembly or anti-collectivism.

I ate Doritos for breakfast and now I can’t feel my arms.

@bluemm2852

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you had too much crack

@Kirkwoodclay

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the combination.

@gmsllc

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a voluntary and not a coerced decision.

@PonyFoot123

3 жыл бұрын

Try drinking Mountain dew to go with that

@Kirkwoodclay

3 жыл бұрын

@@PonyFoot123 This is a good addition to my life choices, I will update.👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼

It's a bold misreading of classic anarchist thinkers to revise their critiques of capitalism as simply disdain of corporatism alone. The anarchist critique of capitalist markets has to do with the degree to which they limit your experience in this world through coercion. Anarcho-capitalists seem to be adverse to engaging with the long history of anarchist thought. I will say I was surprised he did not refuse Marxist and anti-capitalist history in anarchism and gave this view its due, but the lack of engagement with these ideas is disappointing.

One of the few things I disagree with Malice about. Those that wish to force their will upon you wish to be your ruler. Therefore they cannot be anarchists by definition

@mattf2545

3 жыл бұрын

Well said. Gonna remember this point.

... The norm among people is peace. Yes.

I'm convinced that the only way big business can exist is through the state. Voluntarism would naturally limit the size of companies and probably de-emphasise the idea of a "corporation", since many of their problems are analogous. If you own your company, the incentives are clear. If you hire someone to manage your company, their incentives are much less clear. If your company "goes public", or even just has a board of shareholders or directors, what happens to the incentives then?

Doesn't anarchism completely remove the social contract though? By removing the state they are removing the guarentee that the social contract will be upheld and without the social contract isn't it just a free for all.

@AnuarKronfel

3 жыл бұрын

From what I understand (I may be wrong), anarchists don't need a social contract per se - as these are in place to limit government power over people. Anarchocapitalists are pro the non-aggression principle, which means that no one should hurt another or there will be retaliation. Moreover, anarchocapitalists believe in 3 inalienable rights: to life, freedom (as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else's life plan/freedom) and private property. Anarchism just means "ruled by no one" - at least almost all anarchists agree on this. But this doesn't mean that people can't live in a civilized way - just that they don't need a daddy/mommy state dictating how they should behave and think. In any case, I recommend doing your own research haha😅 Take care!

@joshruelas8435

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnuarKronfel People need a central foundation(if you want the benefits of civilization that is), now the question and struggle is who should it be, how much power it has or authority and a plethora of other things. If you could whip up a perfect system in a matter of years we would have one. Current govs are based off ones literally built in antiquity lmao.

@jthemagicrobot3960

3 жыл бұрын

Please provide a copy of said social contract

@jthemagicrobot3960

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshruelas8435 you realize that's like telling an atheist they need God to be moral

@joshruelas8435

3 жыл бұрын

@@jthemagicrobot3960 How so? If Hunter gatherers and Nomads abided by familial structure, it would only support the idea people need a central foundation... Also most atheists could use God, regardless if its nonsense living in bliss is prefered for most people.

Propaganda has really led people to believe they can't exist in a civil society without governments 😂. For the longest part of human history we lived in anarchy.

@BigPoppa-Monk

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong, every tribe had a ruler and form of ruling class.

@gmsllc

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigPoppa-Monk every one? That is a pretty high standard to defend.

@SausageFingers420

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigPoppa-Monk Did they? Or did they just have smart, organized people that others followed and respected? There's a difference between a ruler and a leader.

the only thing worse than the government is no government

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

Your logic: "The only thing worse than slavery is no slavery." 🤡

Haven't really heard anarchists put forward that many actionable proposals, so the question about transitioning to anarchism was really on point.

@TrueFork

2 жыл бұрын

asking anarchists to tell you what to do :D

@SeanRyno

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrueFork no kidding. "Someone tell me how to live! If you can't do that, then I'll just let a corrupt gang of political elites paid by the super rich tell me how to live!"

@Smerpyderp

2 жыл бұрын

@@TrueFork it’s not the telling that we object to, it’s the coercion. We don’t appreciate being chained to some capitalist lord being told to make him rich or else we don’t get to eat. We should own the product of our own labor, decide things democratically, and abolish any coercive hierarchy that fails to justify its existence.

@plusixty8992

2 ай бұрын

@@Smerpyderp too bad malice is ancap

@Smerpyderp

2 ай бұрын

@@plusixty8992 ye I realized that later on :( sad

This is a beautiful explanation.

@johnmaxwell1750

3 жыл бұрын

No, this is a garbage explanation. It totally rejects the establishment of a social contract between individual human beings and the larger human society.

@user-uw6fp4wp5o

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmaxwell1750 hey, i disagree with Malice too. Find it quite fanciful some of it. I like his point that most disputes most of the time are solved without state intervention. Its a little cause for optimism.

@johnmaxwell1750

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-uw6fp4wp5o - Not only is Malice fanciful, he's an impractical dreamer. Like most egghead anarchists, Malice perceives our world and human behavior unrealistically. The Lord of the Flies is a story that Malice should read. It sets forth the most likley outcome for a human society which devolves into complete anarchy. Anarchy facilitates the rise of a totalitarian strongman who rules by force. The imposed regime inevitably destroys intellectuals and decent people who don't kowtow to dictatorial commands. .

The Capitol mob was hardly met with actual resistance (hence hardly a blow to big govs legitimacy).

@8d4o0c4

3 жыл бұрын

If that is the level of protection afforded the Capitol during one of the most tense times in recent memory, then I think it might demonstrate the incompetence of the state (if not the impotence of the state).

@willwalker6894

2 жыл бұрын

@@8d4o0c4 Seeing the law makers that have made people’s lives a living hell throughout 2020. It was absolutely liberating to see those same tyrants cowering in their chamber room on January 6th. I don’t particularly care how or why it happened but I still to this day could give two chits about it happening to them. Many of the decrees they passed and allowed to happen affected me personally and many other people I know. No sympathy for the devil.

natural human condition is to create social groups as family, tribe, city, country and more and more complicated social structures. Human history is the example of it

@nerif2849

3 жыл бұрын

And it is human history to also destroy those things. How can you ignore that equal factor?

@646oleg

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerif2849 correct, destroy old and create new.

@13:44 - No the imagery can't ever be unseen. And that's the point. Because now that imagery is being used to argue that something has to be done. And it will be done against the private individual and their liberties.

Authoritarians are commenting who dismiss anarchism as childish and dismiss Mr.Malice as not having thought out his views are assuming or merely trolling. Either way doesn't prove their assertions. I have lived independently. And I have lived in collectives. Independence provides freedom. Collectives tend to rob from the productive and give privileges to the managers. I'd rather work for myself. Anecdotal, yes, but in America still, I can have my own life, thank you very much.

@destinal_in_reality

3 жыл бұрын

@Ghost 3 Delta exactly, most of the defense of government uses the word ideally, like well we know the state commits all these atrocities but really we just need to vote in better people, LOL.

Michael Malice is Ron Swanson without the butch 😉

I’m in I think it makes sense

What stops me an my 50 friends from killing our rivals and taking over a section of a city in anarchy? What stops a neighboring country from invading? Anarchy is weak. That's why it is extinct.

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

5000 armed residents not taking your shit.. 🤡

maybe i dont understand but im not all the way with him i also hate govt but how can we acknowledge that people arent good, then depend on them to be able to handle anarchism on such a massive scale? sounds like another theory that is not practical or realistic

@TrueFork

2 жыл бұрын

the idea is that it would still be better than putting those wicked people in positions of power and authority

Malice hits the nail on the head when he said at the end of the film "you're being silly, errrrrrrrrrr this is teenage nonsense".

I personally just think that politics are subjective and that not every community wishes to be governed the same way that's why most revolutions are for self-determination which is ultimately what every community wants, but we're still herd creatures, we need communities very few would survive and/or be happy on our own as hermits. So my philosophy would be for people to just decentralize and accept that some communities will have their own laws, their own customs, their own rules, which is why i'm heavily opposed to both the far-right and the far-left as both of them insist on forcing their rules on everyone. My city can govern itself with more direct democracy than a country could, and the accounting for a city is far easier to understand than the accounting for a whole country, so i say do away with the concept of countries, make them simply alliances of city-states doing business with one another.

The most rational and relevant political discussion I've heard in 10 years! Perfectly articulated. Totally agree. In the past year. I've gone from being a lifelong Constitutionalist conservative to bring an anrcho-capitalist. Antics suck totally, but it's also true that statism is unsustainable and opposed to human existence. My political party? I do what's good for me. Glad I found your channel. Rick on!

@libernesia

Жыл бұрын

Care to connect and discuss some ideas? We've just started an anarcho-capitalist "country", if you can forgive the contradiction, and we're debating what's the best way to make it work.

@justjoking5841

Жыл бұрын

Mutualism hopefully lol

As an anarchist myself, this was explained very well

@surplusdivision2461

3 жыл бұрын

As a wealthy person myself, if anarchy happens I will hire a private army, become a warlord and control large areas of land.

@panprd

3 жыл бұрын

@@surplusdivision2461 As another wealthy person with some more wealthy friends, I will ask them to unite our armies against you. Eventually, you will burn your money, or your mercenaries won't even sign a contract to fight for you against stronger armies. Or they'll leave, terminate the contract. Hiring well-trained soldiers would be expensive; not many people will risk their lives voluntarily. Of course, in some decades, the war will be machines and technology, so have fun trying to be a wealthier authority than a free-market society. Finally, have fun conquering lands without any info about the inhabitants, which now lies in the government's databases. Never know where something will start firing at you from anywhere. No info about their numbers, their wealth, guns registries, you know nothing. Learning it will cost you a lot of money. Not learning it means each squared meter is an unknown place for your soldiers to die, step on the mine, get fired at, and all that. To keep your conquered lands, you must constantly defend them; people used to freedom will not start obeying for fun on day one.

@diashetv7719

2 жыл бұрын

@@surplusdivision2461 Then you´re a stupid wealthy person, not doing that now when you have the chance since its literally the status quo but waiting in order to do so till people won´t be under opression and free to create wealth, defend their rightly earned land against you and your ex-monopoly.

@samkellogg2805

Жыл бұрын

@@panprd As another wealthy man, with wealthy friends, good luck doing any such a thing in America anytime soon.

If they ever came to power, enthusiasm would disappear around day three of empty supermarket shelves. Somewhere, an adult has to show up and do stuff.

@destinal_in_reality

3 жыл бұрын

Anarchists don't "come to power.' that's the point. They abolish the state, they don't become the state.

@rexmann1984

3 жыл бұрын

Statism is a Religion.

@sonofwotan

3 жыл бұрын

..but they would just rebuild it. How do anarchists not see that? Humans form into groups for the same reason people join gangs in prison--safety from other groups. Not only in an anarchist world would hard viking men like myself jack you and take your shit at any opportunity, but in a world of nation states.. well, prepare to be crushed. You'll put up no defense in a completely disunited system. Malice himself has mentioned this objection in the past, saying he's not "so sure anymore" about the anarchism stuff. I feel like anarchism is kind of a kid's idea, along the lines of a teenager screaming as he slams shut his bedroom door, "You can't tell me what to do, man!" They just don't get the harsh reality of violence, or the futility of breaking down a system that would just be rebuilt in 5 minutes.

@rexmann1984

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonofwotan name fits

@rexmann1984

3 жыл бұрын

Literally as original as "What are you gonna do about evil corporations?" "For one thing, I wouldn't give them a government to run."

Mike is the real deal

Where is the podcast you did with Jordan Peterson

"the original anarchists were violently anti-capitalist" why original ? A capitalist anarchist is like a capitalist communist : it's an illusion.

I think this person underestimates how much I want his stuff , and if his stuff is worth more than the "cost of violence" that's called profit . Good laws seat us free . Bad laws enslave us .

@jabrokneetoeknee6448

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Malice himself says that international-relations are in essence anarchic, because there is no greater political authority which two nations can appeal to and resolve conflict peacefully. Knowing that, take a look at history and you find countless examples of empires invading smaller countries and stealing their land or resources. The US still does it today in the Middle East. Obviously, profit was the motive for the violence every time.

@waketfup8864

2 жыл бұрын

@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 the US it's an Empire and it's empires and only empires who invade other countries. There has been a lot of peaceful and prosperous countries, but school history Focus of course on wars and kings that Made wars because that fits the narrative. It's all a big well thought out lie.

@jabrokneetoeknee6448

2 жыл бұрын

@@waketfup8864 what narrative is that? Also, no, not just empires. Political units much smaller than empires fight offensive wars as well: nation states, city states, tribes, clans. Were there also peaceful groups? Yes. But our point is specifically regarding the ones that aren’t. There is nothing stopping a superior armed force from forcibly taking your stuff away if they choose. The state of nature is brutish and short… there’s no good reason to return to those days

"Find your bliss" ~ Malice ends with a Joseph Campbell quote. The Anarchist referencing a Catholic anthropologist. Kind of beautiful, actually.

I am not familiar with Mr. Malice, but his idea does intrigue me (well, I'm sort of an anarchist to begin with) so I might look him up later. One thing that does come across, though, is that he seems to intuit that a government is some sort of abstract immutable entity -- which is untrue because a government is still people. It may not represent all the people it governs, but some people are in it, so it's malleable. He also seems to assume a certain relationship between a government and its citizen, which is not necessarily true. Both a government, what it does, and its relationship with its people are all unique to the jurisdiction and are all negotiable. It's typically hard for citizens to change the status quo due to systematic roadblocks but with good organization and (a hell lot of) patience, its possible.

@artemiasalina1860

3 жыл бұрын

A government is an abstract concept. It is not sane to think that one can have a relationship with an abstraction.

@pantitapalittapongarnpim1581

3 жыл бұрын

@@artemiasalina1860 That is an idea of someone who has not thought of looking under the hood of the proverbial car and see how things work. Have you never thought of what the government should be doing for you or your community? Or likewise, what is the government should be taking or not taking from your? If you are driving on a road you have a relationship with a body government -- local or otherwise.

@artemiasalina1860

3 жыл бұрын

@@pantitapalittapongarnpim1581 >Have you never thought of what the government should be doing for you or your community? Government should not be violating individual rights, correct? Can government exist without violating rights?

@pantitapalittapongarnpim1581

3 жыл бұрын

@@artemiasalina1860 Those are different points. Personally, I don't care for things that don't have a practical purpose. So if a practical question cannot be be answered first, I don't care for philosophical ones. In other words, if a government can be replaced by other more practical organizations that serves the community's needs better, ditch the thing. Individual rights is for when we right the rules. And let's not forget that there are societies out there that don't place high value in individual rights, and that is also their choice to setup their governance in that way.

@artemiasalina1860

3 жыл бұрын

@@pantitapalittapongarnpim1581 > So if a practical question cannot be be answered first, I don't care for philosophical ones. I see things the other way around. I think that you can't ask proper practical questions until philosophical questions are answered first. >And let's not forget that there are societies out there that don't place high value in individual rights, and that is also their choice to setup their governance in that way. Any society that thinks it's conducive to civilization for people to force their opinions on each other is a society that doesn't place a high value on individual rights. That's what democracies are, systems where people force their opinions on each other via voting and government violence.

8:35 "Anarcho-capitalists think Antifa doesn't have THE RIGHT to call themselves anarchists." Ironic.

@hamizanyunos1502

3 жыл бұрын

Well Anarcho-capitalists are not anarchists since they reject the state but support capitalism and private property rights. Original anarchists were very clearly anti-capitalists and socialists so of course they would be against Fascism. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4dtm7Oipdvekps.html

@UserName-ii1ce

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamizanyunos1502 thx dude

@hamizanyunos1502

3 жыл бұрын

@@UserName-ii1ce Yeah I find it funny how anarcho-capitalists want steal the term anarchists for themselves as their property. In rebuttal to this Proudhon words to them is that: "property is theft!". Note: I am not an anarchist but it is funny and pointing out the obvious contradiction,

@VigilantAnarchism

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamizanyunos1502 Capitalism is the private ownership of goods/services, and the voluntary exchange of those good/services…so how exactly does that come into conflict with Anarchism? 🤔 Read some Rothbard or Hoppe too.

@hamizanyunos1502

2 жыл бұрын

@@VigilantAnarchism Simple capitalist private property necessitates wage labor thus creating a hierarchal relationship between managers/bosses/owners and workers. Anarchists argue that this is unjust hierarchy.

Anarchism = clean conscience. For real.

Groovism is the belief in our musical instincts to proliferate us. Anarchistic power is in the known common good. The need for billions to become entrained, demands the population to Be educated, Groovism & entrainment aware. This brings us all to raise all others to entrainment potential.

Anarchy does not mean "voluntary association" it means "without Rulers". not sure where he got his definition

Dr. Menace!

@ChrisWillx

3 жыл бұрын

Is that Michael’s alter ego?

@zachford5006

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx 😈

@FooMantis

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWillx It's what Alex Jones (seemingly affectionately) called him on Timcast IRL the first time they were both on.

Wasn’t there anarchy in the Wild West? Wasn’t it a bit...wild?

@jthemagicrobot3960

3 жыл бұрын

In some locations yes - agreed bottom up goverance (rules) in other locations they were very socialist (top down) - see gun control in the west

@martinn111111

3 жыл бұрын

There is a book Not so wild, Wild West

@gmsllc

3 жыл бұрын

They also call it the department of defense. What are they defending in Yemen and Somalia?

@stacybigfoot4801

3 жыл бұрын

"Deadwood" is anarchy in effect.

Right!

It's a self-defence situation...

oh jeez is so cringe to see someone calling themselves anarchist and thinking that not political, it gives me the vibes of "i can't be bothered to look up the term to see what anarchy or governing policy" means. an arkos meaning without rulers not without organization or rules (morality, rational laws etc.). policy means rules. Anarchists are without government not without governance, and believe all of us can establish common ground rules on how to live but from the bottom up and to decentralize all aspects of government into the hand of people, more like self-determination rather than being dictated upon from above.

I think you mean “anarchist” rather than anarchist.

I self-describe as an anarchist because I believe in a world of "no rulers" and reject the modern form money and currency have taken, but I have thought much about the social implications as well and see the contradictions in the context of modernity. The conclusion I have come to is that anarchism is incompatible with the type of modern lifestyle of convienance we take for granted and enjoy. A negation of the corporate-state apparatus would have to be paired with a simultaneous negation of the oil-technological paradigm, since they are symbiotic. People are not ready for that kind of change. It would be a full negation of our notions of progress in the modern world a return us to the cyclical worldview of an agrarian society. Such a stateless world provides the type of freedom-that-matters, but when I discuss anarchism with others it seems they are stuck in the false consciousness of having the freedom-that-matters at the same time as having all the good bits of modernity. These don't exist in union. The post-left and anarcho-primitivists understand this best, but even still, the post-left is surrounded by an impenetrable cloud of cigarette smoke and the primitivists romanticize a mythological past. While I can hunt and provide for myself, which is why I maintain my anarchist label, most can't and haven't thought through the real implications of the type of societal negation they tend to idealize and wax on about.

@augustodelerme7233

9 ай бұрын

Well said

I commented and liked the post Chris put up about hitting 100k subscribers. Now I realize that I myself hadn't subscribed yet! This error has been corrected.

Anarchism means without government...end of, read kropotkin

@lukebaker5135

3 жыл бұрын

Read Hoppe

@lukebaker5135

3 жыл бұрын

@Grandfather_Din_Racket Who?

@lukebaker5135

3 жыл бұрын

@Grandfather_Din_Racket Lol too long didn’t read

There is so much wrong with the ideas put forward from this guy, he must be a very insular person

I guess I was a young anarchist in high school and didn't even know it...listening to The Cure and wearing fingerless gloves...LOL

I prefer to call myself a voluntaryist

- - - This is why Anarchy doesn't work - - - Barry: Hi my names Barry and I work at the nuclear power plant. I mean I'm all for Anarchy, but someones gonna have to help feed me and my team if we are gonna spend our time up there making sure the rods are cooled. Otherwise all life in a wide diameter will end. Anarchist 1: Oh... Uh... well that's fair I suppose. Everyone should give Barry and his team food as he won't be able to till the land and provide for his family. It's only fair. Anarchist 2: But how do we tell who works at the powerplant? Anarchist 1: Okay... Well uh... someone will just have to make shirts for the guy that works at the power plant. Will you do it? Anarchist 3: Fine. I'll do it. But how do we know that people won't just copy my shirts and use it to get free food? Not to mention, since I'm gonna be working, I'm also going to need some food. Anarchist 1: Alright alright... I guess I'll be the Shirt Inspector. But I'm also gonna need some food too. Anarchist 5: So your a cop???! Kill him! Anarchist 1: *dies horribly* Anarchist 3: Seriously guys. I'm not the only one that's gonna be making shirts. And even if we tried to keep this secret, well then we'd be essentially creating a system we run by, which we are ideologically against. Anarchist 5: Huh... Uh... You could be the instpector? Anarchist 3: *Points to Anarchist 1* Anarchist 5: Wait your a cop?! Kill him! Anarchist 3: Wait wha- *dies even more horribly* Barry: Hey guys I know this is a bad time, but me and my team are gonna need food as we will be preoccupied with pouring water on the rods intermitently so life can go on. Anarchist 2: But wait... how do we tell who works at the powerplant? --- From The Whitest Kids You Know (kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJ2WprCwdpvImtY.html)

Coming from a dude who looks like he's never been in a bar fight. He'd be first to cry for help.

the best 17 minutes on youtube

What would prevent anarcho-capitalism from devolving into corporate autocracy?

@tjams99

2 ай бұрын

The people not supporting those corporations. Government is a tool of corporations and we don't have an "opt-out" from govt. Defense contractors, big pharma...etc. LOVE big government. And the millionaires in congress LOVE collecting big fat checks from those same corporations. Politicians get rich and corporations squeeze out competition. Win-win! We can choose our relationship with companies. We have no choice when it comes to govt.

Still think anarchism is childish bullshit but you did a great job with the interview and getting him to elaborate on his positions

@bengsynthmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. May I ask your reasons against anarchism?

@Composer19691

3 жыл бұрын

@@bengsynthmusic Read Lord Of The Flies.

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

That's ironic. You are relying on mommy and daddy government for your well-being.

I like how it starts out by basically showing hes not an anarchist. He's an abstraction of what he thinks an anarchist is. This is what I love about him, he is basically a Troll.

... One flaw in politics, is that there are just not enough moral, as well as intelligent people who are willing to slum in politics.

Only a person that has never lived in anarchy would ever seek it out.

@nustada

3 жыл бұрын

Anarchy is is every moment of your life not under coercive violence.

@RyanPedersen

3 жыл бұрын

@@nustada When in history has a lack of strong authority resulted in Utopia as you suggest? Without the great Leviathan as Thomas Hobbes writes human society quickly devolves into bands of competing warlords.

@nustada

3 жыл бұрын

@@RyanPedersen ​ @Ryan Pedersen When has anything led to Utopia, what a fucking dumb argument. I never suggested it either you dishonest piece of shit. " society quickly devolves into bands of competing warlords." So your argument against removing the state, is we will end up with a state? Sounds like there is nothing to lose in trying. If a society lost tolerance to rulers to the point of removing them, then warlords would have no means to gain power. Hobbes said nothing of value. He asserts everyone are sociopaths. Even if that were true, that is an argument against she state, not for i it. If everyone is evil, then giving evil people more power than what is natural is a dire mistake. Further all people cannot be sociopaths, if violence was the means to wealth and honor, then every battle would have a non-marginal chance of mortal injury. Sociopaths would get weeded out of a free society quickly; the state allows sociopaths to thrive.

@missc2742

7 ай бұрын

​@@RyanPedersenDid Thomas Hobbes conduct anthropological or ethnographic research? Because many, if not most, pre-industrial human societies are not as he describes. Many African and Amazonian communities as well as historical Native American communities are pretty democratic. You don't have to believe me. Look up the Iroquoi confederation, the lifestyle of the Arawak indians, etc. There are still many places in the world not under state control where the people are pretty chill. Also, no anarchist that i know of claims that they can build a "utopia". Just wanting to make the world a less shitty place doesn't automatically mean someone thinks the world can be perfect.

I dont understand the analogy he uses where he and the interviewer have an anarchist relationship. If they are at the bar and get into a fight, one could shove a broken bottle into the other person's eye causing perminant damage. What is the solution to that in an anarchist relationship? How does one get justice/reparation without the state as a mediator? His whole philosophy hinges on the ideal that all people will operate with the same mental clarity and code of ethics. It's a pipe dream.

@Pau11Wa11

Жыл бұрын

Good questions, New York Nole. I’ll do my best to answer. For starters, Anarchism does not “hinge on the ideal that all people will operate with the same mental clarity and code of ethics.” Anarchism hinges on voluntary interactions, which is something 99.9% of people already partake in exclusively and have for their entire lives. That same 99.9% of people recognize others’ and their own property rights, buy what they want where they want and voluntarily enter into contractual agreements with employers to work where they want for an agreed upon price. These are all things anarchists do. Most people are anarchists and don’t know it. They’ve been brainwashed to see government as exempt from the same moral standards individuals are held to. I think this is what Michael was trying to show in his relationship example. The only time they aren’t anarchists is when they get in a voting booth. Anarchists abide by the non-aggression principle (NAP). Since they believe the world is best ordered through voluntary cooperation, they only use force in self-defense or in defense of someone incapable of defending themselves. This is why they correctly recognize government as the largest human rights violator. After all, everything government enforces is done so with the threat of fine, jail or death and funded through entirely through extortion. To quote Nietzche, “everything [government] has is stolen.” To answer your question about finding justice for criminal behavior in a stateless society, there would be private arbitration or private courts. To quickly summarize, unlike the current legal system, the competition for legal services in a stateless society would necessarily raise the standard of services, in both cost and fairness. Politics and legislation is downstream from culture. Cultural norms already accepted by most people are what lead to laws. A fellow anarcho-capitalist by the name of Bob Murphy, PhD has made a pretty concise video explaining how law would work without the state: m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/dWaLytCIeKbWe9Y.html If you yearn to get a better grasp of what anarchism is and how it’s possible, I highly recommend the free documentary, “The Monopoly on Violence.” They provide past and present real-world examples: m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/iot1p62KmrGTqbA.html

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

Every heard of self defense? 🤯

@newyorknole2225

Күн бұрын

@@Somberdemure ever heard of random acts of violence?

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

@@newyorknole2225 Self-,defense isn't a "random act of violence." Even if you strawman argument were to actually happen, it doesn't give anyone the right to rule others!

@newyorknole2225

23 сағат бұрын

@@Somberdemure no I'm not saying that self defense isn't a random act of violence. I'm saying that if you are assaulted without the opportunity to defend yourself (in a random act of violence) then there would be no reprocussions for that act in an anarchist society.

i'mpretty sure he is the gym teacher on bevis and butthead

@rolanddeschain965

3 жыл бұрын

You mean a pushy who's buried deeply in the closet? Yep

Michael Malice is naively taking the safety of his world for granted. Since he observed that people in his environment trend towards peace, he's come to the conclusion that this is what human nature is. What he doesn't realize is that if it weren't for the existence of government, people would not trend towards peace since doing so doesn't make sense from a game theory perspective. If you are in an anarchic society, violence and distrust is the most optimal strategy since you can't trust with a high-degree of certainty other human beings. Government and law has created conditions where violence is expensive and cooperation is rational which is why Michael is lucky enough to observe humans as being generally peaceful. He needs to think more deeply.

I think any form of anarchy is unstable. People always look to the person/organization that appears to be a leader for a given situation. Once the situation is stable a different type of leader may be required and will surface. Anarchy will always devolve into might makes right, (the strongest, most powerful, most money, most people,... etc) and someone will take charge. Once you have a leader then anarchy is over. We saw that in Seattle this summer, the autonomous zone very quickly had a leader. As an ideology I consider it similar to democracy, socialism, republicanism, etc.. in that there is an ideal state of each. That state is unobtainable because humans are not all the same, someone always wants to be in charge and do thing their way. Antifa is said to have no leaders, I bet they do.... just like any group of people together long enough or stressed. It may be that I misunderstand what Mr Malice is saying.

if anarchy was viable "as political system", we would have it somewhere. but unfortunately its not, not unless you count some amazonian tribe. And its not going to get more common unless for some reason we backpedal alot on tech level and number of ppl on this rock. even then its just matter of time until pretty much any other bigger and more unified group comes by and sweeps the anarchos away. anarchism in itself limits the number of ppl/groups that it can "govern". my point being, we dont live in the hunter-gatherer days anymore and we wont be returning to those days unless there is some big rock dropping down from space or nuclear war etc. while i understand why many people find anarchy interesting - its really easy enough to read some history about the rise (and fall) of nations and empires and see why wide scale anarchy really doesnt stick around.

@rlibby404

3 жыл бұрын

@Vebunkd to be fair, some anarchists probably do get it, and then they’re not anarchists anymore. The only “real” anarchists that remain are the followers that see anarchy as a means for revolution and the leaders that see the followers as useful idiots that will help them gain power. I mean neither the leaders nor followers are wrong, but being honest with themselves was never a top priority. There are many vectors for revolution; anarchy is just the one that doesn’t hurt the followers’ brains to think about, so it only follows that they would be less inclined to think about any alternative consequences other than what they’re being sold by the leaders. And then there’s people who do it for the clicks...

@Somberdemure

Күн бұрын

For generations, people have been under mind control. The belief in government is generational deep and people are psychological infants.

Those who argue against anarchism don't know Pascal's Principle (in fluid mechanics) applied to human interaction. If our society is built without this suffocating power structure pressuring everyone, our interactions will be different. That pressure from the government backed by violence seeps through every facet of society. The chain of command effects the chain of artificial hostile interactions.

can one be an anarchist and a capitalist at the same time? May I define myself as majority capitalist, tempered by a heavy dose of libertarianism and anarchy? What is the difference between libertarianism and anarchism?

@edfost5734

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely you can be anarcho-capitalist. Freedom and property rights go hand in hand.

@onlyonestarwarsfan5337

3 жыл бұрын

Libertarianism doesn’t outright reject the need of a governmental body in every situation. An idealistic libertarian wants enough government to preserve their tenants of “liberty,” whatever said tenants may be. This of course harkens the fact that one man’s idea of “liberty” is not always equal to another’s.

@andrewofaiur

3 жыл бұрын

Libertarians believe in at least some government for functions of national defense, law enforcement, cultural preservation like public museums. You'll have to reconcile these differences if you subscribe to anarchocapitalism

@TraditionalAnglican

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewofaiur - Capitalism is essentially a set of voluntary associations. That’s very anarchistic.

@_.Jon._

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewofaiur Incorrect. You are describing merely one wing of libertarianism. There are many wings. It's a large umbrella term. Anarcho-capitalism is a significant wing of libertarianism. @dee dee equestrian Read Rothbard.

Tat fingerless glove thing was uncalled for really gonna hurt big jays feelings lol