Interesting how two different cultures with zero contact with one another were able to invent very similiar techniques.

@Balaclavaballistics

3 жыл бұрын

There are no new techniques, only rediscovered

@stampedmetalsword8099

3 жыл бұрын

Convergent evolution. Happens quite often, in nature and in society.

@Pvnth-R

3 жыл бұрын

Different countries, different cultures, different strategies, same body mechanic

@AJKecsk

2 жыл бұрын

A spear's use, especially with a shield, has a lot more to do with simple body mechanics than specific martial tradition. It does one thing very well - poke quickly from many different angles with good reach.

@boghoss5798

2 жыл бұрын

At the end of the day there is only one martial art. We are very fortunate to be living in an era of something like a martial arts renaissance. The more people learn, the more they train, compare notes, and spar under actual pressure, it seems that almost a singular martial art is evolving. Like MMA. All of these styles of martial arts that have been deluded over time are now being reconstructed, and all end up looking incredibly similar. That is because there is an optimally efficient way to perform martial arts, no matter the style.

I just discovered that historical african martial art was a thing I'm really glad it exists! To see both of them fighting was so amazing, both very skillfull fighters, It gave me so much joy to see them fight!

As a Mixed Man with ancestry on both sides, this was a joy, thank you, Da'mon.

@jali1107

2 жыл бұрын

Weirdo

@PiracyandDumbbells

2 жыл бұрын

@@jali1107 Yes.

@doktordanomite9105

2 жыл бұрын

Did your parents bond over a love of spears.

@PiracyandDumbbells

2 жыл бұрын

@@doktordanomite9105 Close. Swords.

@doktordanomite9105

2 жыл бұрын

@@PiracyandDumbbells how i met my ,bf can confirm

It seems that the smaller shield allows more mobility of the spear around the body for more attack capability but obviously decrease the defense of the fighter compared to a slightly bigger shield

@SerTempleton

3 жыл бұрын

That's true. The real goal of a fight was not to to attack and defend. Defending is seen as cowardice. It was rather to attack simultaneously or to attack and counterattack. This would go on until one side routs and retreats in which case they are chased and if lucky they will regroup or they would scatter. Contact time would be very short and intimidation and ferocity would be more paramount.

@bigcola69

3 жыл бұрын

But that how skill the fighter us compared to the fighter with the big shield but a small one way more skill

@kapiteingrasparkiet7574

7 ай бұрын

Not really: the thing to note is that it's never the purpose to block the opponents attack with either shield. The buckler (smaller one) used in the 16th centuries aimed purely at deflecting enemy attacks away from the centre-line to leave a clear open window for a thrust. The Viking Shield (four centuries before the increase in popularity of the buckler) was more to "absorb" and then "redirect" attacks: thus for this purpose it needs a larger surface area - to both absorb and assert better control over where the wielder wants the opponent's weapon, in a sense, having full control and basically using the shield as a weapon in some way. And don't let the shield's size throw you off! It's actually very, very light, because that was the purpose of the Viking shield - hand held and being able to quickly change angles and held at different positions ASAP. It's very agile and very quick to move. KZreadr Skallagrim has videos dedicated to the Viking Shield. He has a 16 minute one detailing a lot about how it was used and why.

Watching two skilled masters go demonstrate and test their art is always a thing of beauty to watch!

HEMA vs HAMA, I love it!

The way the viking shield swivels is almost mesmerizing lol.

Long Time Ago somali People They use to fight as You wach. Every adult man has always with him things he need to defend His self and his family. At war Time they use horses. They Learn Young boys how to fight and how to red horses. So When they become adult they become Good fighters. They Learn how to fight with THE horses Hilding teknik so You just see a horse go under horse When some One atacking You. Moving around horse body When horse runing high Speed. Dont fall horse. Viking People are knowing to be good fighters and i think both cultures has lot Common figthing tekniks. Big Love to both cultures.

@SerTempleton

3 жыл бұрын

Horses came later. Early Somalis used to fight on foot with a spear and shield. Islamic and Arab influences introduced the light cavalry warfare technique with swords. Again a sizeable cavalry could only be maintained by established Sultanates only, the other smaller tribes still used the traditional warfare methods of shield and spear. One thing that is largely ignored is that Somalis largely used spears for throwing to cause maximum and accurate damage from range.

@ANTSEMUT1

3 жыл бұрын

@@SerTempleton how much later? My impression is that Africa as a whole has had a long equestrian tradition.

@ahmedopone4080

3 жыл бұрын

@@ANTSEMUT1 Exactly. for example, the laas geel cave paintings show people keeping horses and even drinking mild from them. that is 5000+ years... or at least the estimates of the paintings!

@ANTSEMUT1

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmedopone4080 could also be donkeys? They were domesticated in and around that region around the time you are referring to. Horse's have been around there for at least 3,000 years though.

@vinny-xx2sj

3 жыл бұрын

@@SerTempleton not true, its actually the other way round. Somalis have been using horses and have been expert horse riders for as long as humanity itself, in fact Somalis were one of the first people to adopt the horse riding culture and use it in warfare. It would be nice if you don't discredit us all the time and claim Arabs influenced us because believe it or not the camel which is heavily tied with Arabs was actually domesticated by Somalis and spread to the Arabian peninsula, Egypt and the Maghreb...

Awesome to behold, two scholars I found through youtube in one video. A dance between fighters who know the steps and how to move!

That buckler work was very nice to watch

It was so great to be able to see this in person

A beautiful and intricate dance!

Respect 👏🏽💯

This is amazing

The music is awesome 🎉

Both obviously very skilled. Very interesting to watch.

The Somali culture used to be a real warrior culture. There are clans in Somalia that only allowed men to take a wife after they had slain a warrior from an enemy clan. They changed those laws but only 100 years ago or so. Edit: Also they had blood rituals where 50 or 100 men from one village would fight the other village on a large field with long whip-like sticks. Men would lose eyes, ears and sometimes their lives in these events to show their strength/skill/fearlessness. Not spilling enough blood would mean a dry season or bad luck for their cattle. It's, I believe, still being practiced in the Lower Shebelle region of modern day Somalia. I've personally never seen an "Istunka (also known as isgaraac)" festival/battle but I've heard from several people that whole field were red with blood and there were pieces of human meat everywhere.

@Acesahn

6 ай бұрын

Makes sense why pirates are about as legitimate of a government as their own government is lol. Perhaps they never stopped valuing martial strength over most things?

That was Amazing That was Nice

You guys look good out there

This is really cool.

Fantastic ...

In all honesty, I got utterly bored of watching spear and shield vs. anything combo videos in the past few years: they all seem to be repeating the same set of moves and combinations, in a very typical "just let us not hurt each other" fashion. Yet they allways end up in the inevitable charges, that are, from a historic point of view, the opposite of self preservation - in the fashion they are executed in the HEMA videos - I hasten to add (there are effective /successful charges). Now, this video was something DIFFERENT! Not because it is "Somali vs. Viking", but because the guy in the Somali role actuali used the spear for blockings and parying, moved away from incomming attacks in a deliberate and calculated manner (instead of just backstepping in a straight line in an unorganized/panic mode so often seen in other videos), and actually used his shield/buckler to intercept the attacks of his opponent without twirling it like crazy (as those who practice I33-style sword and buckler so often do), and without performing some wierdo avantgarde, unnecessary dance behind all of that. Behind his shield, that is; like his opponent did, and does in most of his videos on his channel. Oh, and he (the "Somali" guy) did move too, and was playful yet focused in his teasing, yet he managed to avoid looking like someone who is trying to undo a massive case of constipation with some crazy writhing of his hips and some postmodern art legwork (something the "Viking" guy always overdoes...). And the way the "Somali" guy scored at the end was a joy to watch! Left me with the impression that he knew what he was doing! Unlike in the vast majority of the cases I mentioned at the beginning of my comment, in which videos scoring just seems to randomly happen, or not, depending on who was more disorganized. Good and interesting performance; unique in the execution and effecctiveness of the technique! Greetings from Hungary.

@survival5866

4 жыл бұрын

interesting point of view! amazing!!!

@lucasavelli2945

3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting... Yet so unfair and rude towards Roland, I think. His legwork is perfect, I speak thinking about Italian rapier systems... Never loved his anterior pelvic tilt, but still nothing wrong in my opinion with how he fights, don't you think so? Love for Hungary, greetings from Italy!

@abdiazeezmohamed8020

Жыл бұрын

In Somalia the shields are not really that small I guess it is something from another part of the country but in my clan they used shields a bit bigger as I had seen in the pictures

@PeregrinTintenfish

8 ай бұрын

@@abdiazeezmohamed8020 The "viking" shield is also too small for something historical. :D

I've noticed Da'Mon seems to go for the legs a lot. Is that a distinct feature of Somali spear play or just a personal preference?

@diphyllum8180

4 жыл бұрын

When the opponent has a larger shield the legs are the easiest target

@david_aug_1017

4 жыл бұрын

This was the moment I realized I wasn't very smart lol 😅

@diphyllum8180

4 жыл бұрын

@@david_aug_1017 not really it's fine, it is partially personal preference. It's easier to hit the legs than to hit the head, but you have to commit to reaching low. Having a shield to defend high while doing it mitigates that somewhat but there's tradeoffs in every strategy and not everyone takes the same approach. Partially it depends on the opponent and what angles he's leaving open, if he's really good at defending the legs or if he punishes you for trying, you might go there less often

@Pvnth-R

3 жыл бұрын

@@david_aug_1017 Don't denigrate yourself like that, it is a genuine question

@elirollins1547

3 жыл бұрын

I think more specifically he threatens the head then goes for the hips/legs

Wonderful great!!!

Clicked for Roland, but still a neat channel, I always wondered why it was rare to find african MA.

Why no protection they use? Scary.

Amazing 👏🙀😮😲

Roland Warzecha, the Polish Jagsviking fighter, blocked the spear with the bottom of the shield, the sound of impact was a knock against wood, not against the leg.

In the second part of the video the European pulls out a gun .... and the rest is history !

they don't lengthen their spears either keeping them like a counterbalanced sword. not much power in the slash but only in the stab

Why no protective gear?

@alfonsovallejo2665

3 жыл бұрын

They were just making soft demostration strikes with foam spears.

Were there no other large shields on hand?

@xxxxxx5868

3 жыл бұрын

I think the African style of fighting is to redirect the spear while Europeans prefer to just block it. Idk tho, I'm not an expert

@vinny-xx2sj

3 жыл бұрын

@@xxxxxx5868 Somali shield is distinct from other Africans since in the olden days Somalis focused on redirecting the blow and mobility rather than full fledged protection but yh....

@MohamedHassan-ni6un

2 жыл бұрын

The small shield was easier to carry with all the other gear. The advantage of small was a quick redirect of opponent's spear then attacking. So it was easier to get right in tight spots. Disadvantage was if you're not good at seeing everything coming at you then your dead. Practice by blocking stones being thrown at you 8-10 feet away. This was awesome to watch. Mohamed from Somaliland

they should be wearing protective gear for this kind of sparring. one wrong move and out goes your eyes.

@potatoskunk5981

5 күн бұрын

Foam spear points won't do much damage.

Who are the those 2 people sparing

@historicalafricanmartialar4295

3 жыл бұрын

Information is in the description.

Is there a reason the majority of the fight feels slow? Like their both just practicing? Or is that how it normally just went back in the day and moves have made these kind of fights super dramatic and fast?

@gristen

6 ай бұрын

real fights back then were probably more calculated as youre life was literally on the line. id imagine half the battle happened in the mind as you'd have to analyze your opponent and predict their next attack, all while watching out for your own opening. making a move too soon would just send you to an early grave, and same goes for overly flashy moves. every move you make must be efficient and effective, as well as defensive. doing a flashy move like a spin or wide slash like they do in movies would leave you vulnerable to a quick and deadly jab. realistically you'd be defending much more than attacking

Waran iyo gaashaan, where is your torey Da'mon?

The lack of protective gear is a little concerning 🤔

now THIS is a spear fight!!!

which one's doing the viking one?

@mrprince5934

Жыл бұрын

the one with the bigger shield

@abduqadirbashir

Жыл бұрын

the less melanated fella

@vividius7951

Жыл бұрын

@@abduqadirbashir should've guessed that really

@abduqadirbashir

Жыл бұрын

@@vividius7951 no i understand some ppl became color blind after blm

@vividius7951

Жыл бұрын

@@abduqadirbashir and others got screwed on embezzlement

Viking guy was moving around too much. Once he tired himself out, he started slowing down and gave up openings. Deadly mistake against a more patient or experienced opponent

My pen is bigger than the sheild

I'd love to test aboriginal Leangle Club and Shield style against Viking Axe and Shield style.

This is somali fight .

Ok, which one is which ?? Just kiddin' obviously the white dude is the African 😊😊😊

Uhhhhh what? This doesn't seem effective. That guy is dancing...

@BandarAgeng

8 ай бұрын

Its actualy defeated viking style its effective 🤓

@gristen

6 ай бұрын

you never seen feet work before? moving like that helps you keep momentum and balance

Not realistic. Playing defense will not save you. Fun, but not realistic. One should practice the same kill motions to achieve muscle memmory. This is dancing off beat from music, learn the dance or die.

No, if you wave your weapon back and forth in some strange fantasy manner, it doesn't make your "art" martial, or historical, or Viking, or Somalian etc.

@historicalafricanmartialar4295

2 жыл бұрын

"Somali"

@gristen

6 ай бұрын

what do you know

70 year old goes slow so that 20 year old looks cool

Foolish

Looks the same. Who is Somali style and why is the blonde guy doing capoeira like movements? Both dont seem legit.

The gayest viking I have seen.

@historicalafricanmartialar4295

Жыл бұрын

Uness you are 1100 years old you've never actually seen a viking

@silafuyang8675

Жыл бұрын

@@historicalafricanmartialar4295 The gayest viking I have seen in my 1100 years old life. This means a partilarly high level of gayness.

The shield seems more a hindrance, Id prefer to two hand the spear.