Vickers for Interwar Tanks: The Class C/T Machine Gun

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The Vickers company developed several versions of the Vickers machine gun for aircraft use during the 1920s and 1930s, but they also worked on armored vehicle versions of the gun in the 1930s. Between 1930 and 1936 these were adopted by the British military as the Mk IV through Mk VII guns, but the gun we are looking at today is the commercial export pattern, the Class C/T. This particular gun is one sold to Argentina.
The basic mechanics of the gun are unchanged from the standard Vickers heavy machine gun, but a bunch of adaptations were done to make the guns more suitable to use in armored vehicles. A pistol grip was developed to mount under the gun in place of the spade grips. Coupled with a large leather-covered buttpad and cheek pads, this allowed the gunner to hold the gun much like a rifle; essential in the tight confines of a turret. The barrel was shortened, and a new style of booster was designed which allowed the barrel to be removed from the rear of the gun, allowing the gun to be worked on from within the protection of the vehicle. The top cover was also give a hinge on the side, again for more compact use. The most complex change was the development of interchangeable feed blocks to allow left-hand or right-hand feeding with only the changing of that one unit.
One of the really interesting aspects of these tank guns was the experimentation around their cooling systems. For the British military, the goal was to have a gun capable of firing 3,000 rounds in 30 minutes. Normally this would be an easy bar for a Vickers to clear, but it would require refilling the water jacket - and that was a really clumsy exercise inside a tankette turret. Various types of circulating systems were tried out, but they all had problems with the need for the guns to be in flexible mounts. What would seem like a perfect idea of plumbing the gun into the vehicles existing radiator had the unfortunate consequence of rendering the whole vehicle immobile if the gun's jacket took a bullet hit and leaked...
Overall production was low, and the guns were primarily used in vehicles that Vickers was building themselves. By the time World War Two began, the Vickers was clearly obsolescent in this role; there were much cheaper air-cooled options (like the Besa, which the British would choose for their own use).
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  • @stephenduffy5406
    @stephenduffy54062 жыл бұрын

    Still the primary defense weapon for the Elbonian Dirigible Corps.

  • @LUR1FAX

    @LUR1FAX

    2 жыл бұрын

    I hear it's their frontline 'assault rifle'

  • @edm240b9

    @edm240b9

    2 жыл бұрын

    Definitely a contender for GPMG.

  • @TheArklyte

    @TheArklyte

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@edm240b9 depends on how roided are the grunts...

  • @greycatturtle7132

    @greycatturtle7132

    2 жыл бұрын

    Elbonia? What is this ?

  • @seann2769

    @seann2769

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@greycatturtle7132 search “elbonia forgotten weapons” and watch the Q&A’s. It’s an inside joke

  • @RpattoYT
    @RpattoYT2 жыл бұрын

    The mistake Vickers made is, they never tried using a machine-gun to boiling water, with which to make tea. Had they have done so, this whole continuously cooled machine-gun tank system would have panned out great.

  • @wastedangelematis

    @wastedangelematis

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes but air cooled is more appealing for bacon slices roasting

  • @wastedangelematis

    @wastedangelematis

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mix the wring herb in your tea and the shooter might be shooting happy little trees with Bob Ross

  • @awmperry

    @awmperry

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Plug the gun into the BV - problem solved!

  • @pexobestia

    @pexobestia

    2 жыл бұрын

    As a matter of fact, Robert Graves in "Goodbye to all that" (WWI memories), tells how a batman used to shot a Wickers every morning, just to warm water for the officers´ tea...

  • @catfish552
    @catfish5522 жыл бұрын

    Another factor when armoring a water-cooled machine gun: Your gun might end up looking like a dick. Happened to the Australians.

  • @kylecerneka8964
    @kylecerneka89642 жыл бұрын

    My immediate thought on seeing the title was "man, Larry vickers had been around a long time"

  • @proonguice8386

    @proonguice8386

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same here, I thought he must be some sort of Vampire or Warlock

  • @splunky6314
    @splunky63142 жыл бұрын

    Ideal for mounting on your 2001 Honda Civic for dealing with those pesky BMW’s

  • @thesmallestminorityisthein4045

    @thesmallestminorityisthein4045

    2 жыл бұрын

    And if your civic is made in the UK, its kinda just the Battle of Britain all over again.

  • @EmperorHirohito-kv2uc
    @EmperorHirohito-kv2uc2 жыл бұрын

    Last time i was this early, Ian was still shooting the Vickers mg for his intro

  • @Revener666

    @Revener666

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hmm..? the old intro have a Madsen and a Maxim.

  • @mjriemen

    @mjriemen

    2 жыл бұрын

    I feel like watching an hour after posting is early, but 10,000 people have gotten here before me.

  • @alanwalford5944

    @alanwalford5944

    2 жыл бұрын

    That box on the top left shelf may be for you!

  • @LUR1FAX

    @LUR1FAX

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Revener666 He had an intro after that which had a theme song. The first one started with "Ra-ta-ta-tat. Ra-ta-ta-tat. Ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-tat" and the one with the Vickers gun had a theme song.

  • @Nordy941

    @Nordy941

    2 жыл бұрын

    I miss the intro music :/

  • @alahos
    @alahos2 жыл бұрын

    "Shoot the tank's weak spot, the gun jacket"

  • @patrickseaman
    @patrickseaman2 жыл бұрын

    What? Ian didn't pull a standard Vickers out of his back pocket for comparison? ;-)

  • @AsbestosMuffins

    @AsbestosMuffins

    2 жыл бұрын

    sadly he parted ways with his vickers a few years back

  • @meckhardt2112

    @meckhardt2112

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sadly, he didn't have a standard Vickers on hand so he had to settle for a Chinese warlord period production copy of the Vickers chambered in 8mm Mauser for the size comparison.

  • @AsbestosMuffins

    @AsbestosMuffins

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@meckhardt2112 na, 8mm mauser would be too standard, 10mm wauser is more like it.

  • @acomingextinction
    @acomingextinction2 жыл бұрын

    I need this in a steampunk combat flight sim, immediately.

  • @FloodExterminator

    @FloodExterminator

    2 жыл бұрын

    I find it would be perfect in Star Wars!

  • @stephenwinchester6668
    @stephenwinchester66682 жыл бұрын

    “We’re gonna light it up for your Vickers Tactical Style” 🤞

  • @commando552
    @commando5522 жыл бұрын

    If anyone wants to see what the dismounted kit that the British used looks like, there are a few photos of the 2nd Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders using them in Malaya (search "2nd Argyll and Sutherland bipod vickers"). In this case they have been removed from Lanchester armoured cars. The kit has a rear monopod along with a bipod, so it can be set up in a somewhat stable position for sustained fire. They also have a far less ridiculous butt pad.

  • @Doiteify
    @Doiteify2 жыл бұрын

    If you ever find a Besa MG make sure to do one on it. Ive never seen one and always read about em in British tanks in WW2

  • @okonkwojones

    @okonkwojones

    2 жыл бұрын

    Were Those the ones that were chambered in 8mm Mauser for some reason (because someone hated logisticians I guess)?

  • @88porpoise

    @88porpoise

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@okonkwojones Yes, because the Vickers was a bad tank MG and the Besa did not work well with rimmed ammunition. But, yes, supplying the ammunition for a British armoured division could probably get pretty brutal (they could potentially field 7.92mm Mauser, .30-06, .303 British, .50 Vickers, .50 BMG, 15mm Besa, .45 ACP, 9mm, .38/200 for just MGs and small arms).

  • @discerningscoundrel3055

    @discerningscoundrel3055

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@okonkwojones 8 Mauser was because it was a preexisting design and there wasn't time to retool it for .303. Logistical impact wasn't too bad as armoured largely had a separate supply chain. Interestingly, Britain was briefly looking at adopting 8mm Mauser as a replacement for .303, and some of Dieudonne Saive's work in exile during the war was in 8mm Mauser for that reason, but then Britain - quite sensibly - decided they preferred intermediate cartridges.

  • @okonkwojones

    @okonkwojones

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@madisntit6547 ty, will check out!

  • @okonkwojones

    @okonkwojones

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@discerningscoundrel3055 interesting! Ty

  • @hendriktonisson2915
    @hendriktonisson29152 жыл бұрын

    You mentioned that the Vickers does not lend itself well to be an air-cooled gun. The Browning machine gun was also originally a water-cooled design but was successfully converted into the air-cooled M1919 machine gun. Why was the Vickers less suitable for air-cooling than the Browning?

  • @petrolak

    @petrolak

    2 жыл бұрын

    The recoil operation for Vickers/Maxim already needs a gas booster to move the barrel and the heavy-duty toggle mechanism. Increasing the mass further by adding thick, heavy barrel might make it unreliable and/or need further effort to make it work. Also, barrel change in field is pretty much impossible (not that M1919 has exactly quick-change barrel either)

  • @hendriktonisson2915

    @hendriktonisson2915

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@petrolak I guess they could have probably worked out a more effective gas booster for heavier barrel by drilling a hole in the barrel as a gas port. And as you said, barrel change is not much easier on the Browning than on the Vickers but the Brwoning M1919 was still quite successfully used as a tank machine gun.

  • @RyoLeo

    @RyoLeo

    2 жыл бұрын

    For one the vickers wasn’t designed to be air cooled instead it depended on water to keep its rather thin barrel under melting point. As appose to the browning machine guns large and heavy barrels Now take this with a grain of salt. But beyond that I don’t think it would had taken much RnD to make a machine gun with vickers firing mechanism that is aired cooled but I imagine a mixture of pride, budget constraints, patent landmines, and/or general lack of interest stop this new machine gun from coming to market. Inbf someone mentioned that such a gun was made Not to mention that without water cooling Vickers machine guns loses its one major selling point and that is the extreme levels of constant firing you could get from it, so you had the ammo and a supply of extra water. Which is why they got poplar in the first place. Before the drawl backs of water cooling design became extremely oblivious. So once the air cooled machine guns got good enough(and/or our standard were lowered enough)we ditch that water cools stuff and basically never looked back.

  • @paulshayter1113

    @paulshayter1113

    2 жыл бұрын

    Because Lucas was involved in the manufacturing. 😄 (It's an old joke on an English company called Lucas. I'm sure the jokes are on the net)

  • @hendriktonisson2915

    @hendriktonisson2915

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@zoiders An air-cooled Vickers using the standrad .303 British cartridge would have been a better option for tanks than the BESA using the non-standard 7.92mm Mauser cartridge as it would have eased logistics.

  • @lisocampos8080
    @lisocampos80802 жыл бұрын

    Imagine putting antifreeze in that.

  • @Reactordrone
    @Reactordrone2 жыл бұрын

    From the shape of that butt pad it looks like it's balanced front heavy and you're pushing down to elevate the gun.

  • @kw9849

    @kw9849

    2 жыл бұрын

    A lot of tank MG's were on spring-assisted mounts, so that would make sense.

  • @Kaboomf

    @Kaboomf

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also, you're bouncing around inside a tank. Better have a big padded thing to lean against so you don't get bruised too badly.

  • @VladamireD

    @VladamireD

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Kaboomf plus I'm sure all the water in the jacket slooshing about while you bounced along probably made that thing a bear to wrestle onto target.

  • @jakraziel
    @jakraziel2 жыл бұрын

    That swappable feed mechanism is fantastic.

  • @rancidpitts8243

    @rancidpitts8243

    2 жыл бұрын

    Did the team who perfected the conversion get sacked? Remember that " No good deed goes unpunished". Looks like they did a pretty GOOD job/deed.

  • @trooperdgb9722

    @trooperdgb9722

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. Simply...elegant.

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte2 жыл бұрын

    10:50 closed cycle system that isn't connected, but rather is transferring heat through metal plate between two water/oil systems. Use standard recirculating system from infantry gun with all the hoses and the box, but put the box radiator at the bottom of the turret. There it would simply rest on cold plate that has water/oil tubing under it running to engine radiator. I'd rather say that the problem of the system is the assumption that engine radiator can take more workload on itself when tank engines are notorious for always being on the brink of lacking the proper cooling.

  • @TheArklyte

    @TheArklyte

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@SonsOfLorgar ikr, what a mystery;)

  • @TheColonelSponsz
    @TheColonelSponsz2 жыл бұрын

    Almost, but not quite, a bullpup HMG.

  • @maxkronader5225
    @maxkronader52252 жыл бұрын

    I'm digging the steampunk vibe. Arm your troops with Schmidt Rubin rifles, S&W .44 Russian model revolvers, and these Vickers MGs with the ground use bipod and you've got the props for a great steampunk movie.

  • @CRHE
    @CRHE2 жыл бұрын

    I think it would have been more appropriate for Larry Vickers to do an overview of this gun. Not because of the name, but just because I miss his signature super serious yell-talk.

  • @walterblock8272
    @walterblock82722 жыл бұрын

    Can never get enough Vickers content. Keep up the good work!

  • @texpatriot8462
    @texpatriot84622 жыл бұрын

    That shoulder stock is insane

  • @alexguymon7117
    @alexguymon71172 жыл бұрын

    Could you do a video on why the British adopted the BESA mmg for vehicle use? And in particular, why they stuck with 8mm instead of .303? It seems odd to me that they went with such a design when they could have just as easily converted a M1919 or used a modified Lewis or Bren for the same job. Was there any reason they stuck with 8mm besides maybe not wanting to do the development work to convert it?

  • @dylanmilne6683
    @dylanmilne66832 жыл бұрын

    Awesome was hoping to see more Vickers tank guns and tank mgs in general.

  • @Kingwoodish
    @Kingwoodish2 жыл бұрын

    A big thank you to the owner who allowed this Vickers to be presented by Ian. I'm sure the logistics to make it happen were a bit of work.

  • @HaloGrunt
    @HaloGrunt2 жыл бұрын

    this is a sweet infantry vickers gun i never knew excised. this is why forgotten weapons is the best gun channel

  • @magoshighlands4074
    @magoshighlands40742 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see you do the BESA machine gun if you ever get the chance Ian! Your videos on tank and vehicle weapons are always really cool!

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis94492 жыл бұрын

    Thank you , Ian .

  • @Hawk1966
    @Hawk19662 жыл бұрын

    That thing would be scary for a right handed shooter with that reciprocating charging handle RIGHT next to your face but would be utterly impossible for a left handed shooter to use. That would rip you up.

  • @charlesadams1721
    @charlesadams17212 жыл бұрын

    Seeing as the Australians designed their Sentinel AC-1 tank during WWII to be equipped a Vickers machine gun in the hull, protected by a notable 'armored' water jacket cover, did they use this machine gun, or simply use a standard Vickers gun? There would be no problem with the rotation as with the mentioned with the turret machine gun, as the machine gun was in the hull. I've not seen information about the machine guns designed for the Sentinel AC-1 other than the notation of it being equipped with a 'hull mounted Vickers gun'.

  • @hendriktonisson2915

    @hendriktonisson2915

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or why didn't they use the Bren gun as a tank machine gun?

  • @lavrentivs9891

    @lavrentivs9891

    2 жыл бұрын

    I suspect it used the same vickers variant as the british A13 cruiser tanks did. It was the standard coaxial machine gun used by the british before the introduction of the BESA.

  • @bettongmi4340

    @bettongmi4340

    2 жыл бұрын

    Neither this C/T gun, nor the standard MkI. The guns for the Sentinel and other AFVs made at Lithgow. The Lithgow factory had previously been building Mk.V guns for aircraft use, and they essentially mated a water cooled Mk.I front end to the Mk.V back end to make the .303 Mk.XXI Vickers.

  • @calvingreene90

    @calvingreene90

    2 жыл бұрын

    No. The Australians used Vickers guns they already had in inventory.

  • @lavrentivs9891

    @lavrentivs9891

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@calvingreene90 Do you know if those vickers guns were the same model as the ones used in the british A13 cruiser tanks?

  • @richardbruce8111
    @richardbruce8111 Жыл бұрын

    As usual Ian you do a MAGNIFICENT job! I trained with probably the last Vickers used in the NZ army(1960s) so good to see the internal guts of the old gun so interestingly modified! I always considered the big cone muzzle assist could have been smaller! The German maxims did use a smaller assister .It could not withdraw the barrel untill the little screwed assister ferrule was removed .The vickers cone end to the barrel is interesting as it appears to be adequate! I saw several x ww1 german maxims the the threads of the barrel & assister had hammered free!..yes.! but the guns had obviously continued in use! ( NZ imported over 1000 captured maxims for trophies ,they were nailed up in halls & schools throughout the country yet I never heard of a singe case of silly nonsense involving them!) The possibility of using the cooling water for tea breaks (a british addiction) has never been mentioned probably because of the regular claims of needing on the spot PEE (urine) supply to extend the cooling water supply! Certainly in the desert the Brits probably pinched spare cooling water when available. Interesting also is the ejection tube! going back to original Maxim which posted each fired case forward under the jacket. Remember the Vickers system is simply an improvement of Maxims system by eliminating the 3step "lock" to 2 steps & allowing the hot shells to exit the gun straight DOWN (not fun if you are wearing standard Brit issue balloon kaki shorts! tends to distract focus. Great info thanks!

  • @comiketiger
    @comiketiger2 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Thanks

  • @ryanvargas4889
    @ryanvargas48892 жыл бұрын

    You could almost appendix carry that...almost.

  • @Khorsathedark
    @Khorsathedark2 жыл бұрын

    Too bad there was no photos of one of them mounted. That's o.k., I have to internet, I'm off to search for photos of it mounted in an armored vehicle. Great video Ian.

  • @aalhard
    @aalhard2 жыл бұрын

    How close did you get to panic when the Rh feed block decided it wanted to stay?

  • @mrmcepiclishous7918
    @mrmcepiclishous79182 жыл бұрын

    You made my morning

  • @amphibiousone7972
    @amphibiousone79722 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the history of engineering class. 👨‍🏫

  • @Earth517Phoenix
    @Earth517Phoenix2 жыл бұрын

    Great vid 👌🏼🙌🏼

  • @roeng1368
    @roeng13682 жыл бұрын

    "There was a young lady named Vickers, who often went out without Knickers........................." I'll finish this later.

  • @roeng1368

    @roeng1368

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@madisntit6547 Well done M CD !

  • @ENoob

    @ENoob

    2 жыл бұрын

    For a job she sold guns That had defeated the Huns Despite all their helmets with prickers.

  • @paulmanson253
    @paulmanson2532 жыл бұрын

    This and a Tank Museum vid side by side. Yay !

  • @cameronheynemans7451
    @cameronheynemans74512 жыл бұрын

    32 seconds is my new record of seeing videos in the morning

  • @nigelosborne7471

    @nigelosborne7471

    2 жыл бұрын

    Morning! It's lunch time.

  • @cameronheynemans7451

    @cameronheynemans7451

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nigel Osborne lunch at 9am sounds wonderful

  • @nigelosborne7471

    @nigelosborne7471

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nope, it's was definitely lunchtime on the UK.

  • @bena556RY
    @bena556RY2 жыл бұрын

    I use to live near Crayford. I never knew there was a Vickers factory there 🙂

  • @TooUnrested
    @TooUnrested2 жыл бұрын

    Crazy to think this made where I am born and bred in Crayford. Weird pronunciation of my town name though

  • @51WCDodge

    @51WCDodge

    2 жыл бұрын

    By the Mc Key D's There was also Vicker's test airfeild on the marshes where the Bridge Community and science park are,

  • @TooUnrested

    @TooUnrested

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@51WCDodge down by the QE bridge park you mean?

  • @TooUnrested

    @TooUnrested

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@madisntit6547 no it's c-ray-fud might be his accent

  • @51WCDodge

    @51WCDodge

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TooUnrested Yep. Till they built the houses you could find the remains of the buildings , including the old Royal Naval Air Service station. So much history and none remembered.

  • @51WCDodge

    @51WCDodge

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@madisntit6547 Ford on the River Cray, I live at St Mary Cray. Sounds like something out of Miss Marple :-) POity the area chooses not to remeber this part of its past though. Considering it was the test area for Alcock and Browns Vickers Vimy.

  • @Rixoli
    @Rixoli2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a man of simple tastes: I see a forgotten weapons video, I watch a forgotten weapon's video.

  • @HaloGrunt

    @HaloGrunt

    2 жыл бұрын

    is that meant to be funny? the simple man thing has to stop

  • @exactinmidget92
    @exactinmidget922 жыл бұрын

    I love just how absurdly big WW1 machine guns are.

  • @ENoob
    @ENoob2 жыл бұрын

    The shoulder stock looks upside down. I would want it to hook over my shoulder and support the weight.

  • @nowtelsematters

    @nowtelsematters

    2 жыл бұрын

    The pivot point is behind the water jacket. All of the weight is up front and you're not actually holding the weapon up. Stopping the front from tipping forwards is the issue not lifting the whole gun.

  • 2 жыл бұрын

    Did they sell any without the Vickers tank?

  • @Psiberzerker
    @Psiberzerker2 жыл бұрын

    Even earlier on, in The Great War, it was understood that Tanks are most vulnerable to Infantry. They weren't developed as a counter to Infantry, they were developed as a counter to Fortifications, especially Trenches, and Support for the Infantry. Basically as a "Breakthrough" for No Man's Land, where they're not vulnerable to Infantry. In the Interwar period, we're very much developing weapons and vehicles for the last war, the Kaiser, not the Nazis. TBPH, you can take a tank out with pipe wrenches, if you have enough time, and you know what you're doing. That's what Tank machineguns are for. It's purely a defensive weapon to keep Molotovs out of the intakes.

  • @Psiberzerker

    @Psiberzerker

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@CoolGobyFish Eh, kinda? It really depends on the Enemy, and the Terrain. Never abandon your tank in close quarters. Nowadays, it's Cities, but they got wrecked in Forests, too. If it's Tanks vs Tanks on open ground? Protect the Infantry, and let the Tanks duke it out.

  • @cslate36
    @cslate362 жыл бұрын

    Have you done a video on the rogers and spencer revolver

  • @TheAlijator
    @TheAlijator2 жыл бұрын

    Also known as Fallout 4's "Assault Rifle"

  • @SimuLord

    @SimuLord

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bethesda looked at New Vegas like "cool use of real-world guns with in-universe names by Obsidian. How can we do that for our in-house dev team?" Then they gave an idiot the task of designing the art.

  • @TheAlijator

    @TheAlijator

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@SimuLord That's quite a wild tale you just spun...but nope, almost all of the FO4 artwork was done by Adam Adamowicz and the guy worked on the artwork for FO3, Oblivion, Skyrim, FO4. He was a talent. My guess is, someone who had very little gun knowledge, decided to use the "machine gun" as an "assault rifle". Hell, even in the CK, it is labeled as "machine gun".

  • @john_doe406

    @john_doe406

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheAlijator its originally 50 bmg lmg for power armor use for some reason it was changed the art book shows Chinese assault rifle as well but was cut

  • @SimuLord

    @SimuLord

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheAlijator I thought Adamowicz had already passed away by then (RIP.)

  • @TheAlijator

    @TheAlijator

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@SimuLord He is credited as a concept artist for Fallout 4. He passed in 2012.

  • @stone9302
    @stone93022 жыл бұрын

    Here's some food for thought. If it needs the gas pressure in the muzzle booster to operate correctly, couldn't one argue that the gun isn't recoil operated, but rather gas operated? Or would saying it's both recoil and gas operated work better? Or is it just recoil operated?

  • @Broken_Yugo

    @Broken_Yugo

    2 жыл бұрын

    Barrel moves back to unlock=recoil operated, doesn't matter if it isn't purely recoil doing it. If one wanted to be pedantic I guess it would be "gas boosted recoil operation". The MG34 and MG42/MG3 use a booster too.

  • @kenibnanak5554

    @kenibnanak5554

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, gas operated long recoil. :)

  • @kevinlatham5661
    @kevinlatham56612 жыл бұрын

    checkout the armoured vickers mount on the australian sentinel tank.

  • @pfg72
    @pfg722 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ian! Great video as usual. Have you got any further data as to where exactly that particular gun was used? I'm writing from Argentina, by the way. Hence the interest. Cheers from Patagonia!

  • @fabriciofioretti1902

    @fabriciofioretti1902

    Жыл бұрын

    Seguramente fue usado por la Escuela de Tropas Mecanizadas de Villa Martelli que tenía 12 tanquetas Vickers Modelo 1934, se los iba a usar para instruir a las tripulaciones de los LT38 checoslovacos que al final no se compraron.

  • @pfg72

    @pfg72

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fabriciofioretti1902 Gracias por la info, Federico!

  • @tocsa120ls
    @tocsa120ls2 жыл бұрын

    That shoulder stock is upside down, isn't it?

  • @Gojiro7
    @Gojiro72 жыл бұрын

    if the forces of hell ever travel back in time and ravage the world in WW1, you know Doom Slayer will rip this badboy off a tank and start Ripping and Tearing his way down the trenches XD

  • @bencejuhasz6459

    @bencejuhasz6459

    2 жыл бұрын

    This machine gun was introduced in the 30ies. WW1 tanks used either standard infantry Vickers MGs,or Lewis or Hotchkiss light machine guns.

  • @snarkymatt585

    @snarkymatt585

    2 жыл бұрын

    In WW1 the machine gun available that would fulfill such unmounted utility as this 1930's tank Vickers gun would have been the German MG08/15.

  • @cryhavoc999
    @cryhavoc9992 жыл бұрын

    Did the '3000 rounds in 30 minutes' requirement still exist when the BESA MMG was introduced?

  • @gwtpictgwtpict4214

    @gwtpictgwtpict4214

    2 жыл бұрын

    I doubt it, I think this was designed when a machine gun could be the primary weapon of a tank, by the time the BESA came in it was the secondary weapon, whether co-ax or hull mounted.

  • @FloodExterminator

    @FloodExterminator

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Anyways, there is no way for a non rotary machinegun (like the Minigun) to reach 6K RPM :S

  • @gwtpictgwtpict4214

    @gwtpictgwtpict4214

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FloodExterminator Correct, but @cryhavoc999's post referenced the video mentioning 3000 rounds in 30 minutes. That's 100 rounds a minute, nothing to do with a 6k rpm minigun?

  • @FloodExterminator

    @FloodExterminator

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Haha indeed, xD I misread

  • @charlesphillips4575
    @charlesphillips45752 жыл бұрын

    I have always thought that an air-cooled Vickers would work for tanks. It would need a heavier barrel, and ideally open-bolt firing. It would need a perforated jacket, similar to the Browning M1919, to support the recoil booster. Also the recoil booster would need to give more boost, due to the heavier barrel. Overall I don't see any difficult problems.

  • @rancidpitts8243

    @rancidpitts8243

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nobody ever does.

  • @atfyoutubedivision955
    @atfyoutubedivision9552 жыл бұрын

    Looks like something you'd see in a fallout game.

  • @MandalorV7

    @MandalorV7

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Fallout 4’s assault rifle looked a lot like this. Though I never liked it, so I bought the Nuka World DLC just so I could be running around with an AK.

  • @seann2769

    @seann2769

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MandalorV7 the far harbor dlc was excellent. The lever gun was cool too

  • @avnrulz8587
    @avnrulz85872 жыл бұрын

    Would love to see it at the range.

  • @chrissinclair8705
    @chrissinclair87052 жыл бұрын

    Man that's one hell of a shoulder stock.

  • @seanjoseph8637
    @seanjoseph86372 жыл бұрын

    That ejection tube looks like a stoppage waiting to happen.

  • @Bornstellare
    @Bornstellare2 жыл бұрын

    Nothing hits like an HMG video from Ian

  • @jameslawrie3807
    @jameslawrie38072 жыл бұрын

    I wonder what sort of Vickers MGs they were putting on the various 1920s armoured cars as they preceded this weapon?

  • @bencejuhasz6459

    @bencejuhasz6459

    2 жыл бұрын

    They installed the standard Vickers .303 machine guns in them,usually with the fluted water jacket,however there were some armoured cars with smooth-jacketed machine guns.

  • @williamflowers9435
    @williamflowers94352 жыл бұрын

    A Vickers .50 cal would be interesting. Especially the copied versions the Italians and Japanese used in WW2 aircraft

  • @lamelama22
    @lamelama222 жыл бұрын

    I know it's been somewhat explained and/or alluded to in many videos, but a separate video explaining exactly why the early machine guns were all water-cooled and why they almost completely disappeared by WWII would be very informative (apologies if this has already been done, I don't remember seeing it).

  • @trooperdgb9722

    @trooperdgb9722

    2 жыл бұрын

    They weren't all water cooled. The French HMG of WW1 was heavy barreled and air cooled. If you can find the FW video on the HMGs of WW1 i think you may find what you are looking for...

  • @TheRuinsfate
    @TheRuinsfate2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ian, thanks for the video! I've just been kept awake past midnight by a student party next door, and need a distraction for my shot nerves.

  • @Rincypoopoo

    @Rincypoopoo

    2 жыл бұрын

    little bastards. Young people. Who needs them ?

  • @paidwitness797

    @paidwitness797

    2 жыл бұрын

    Had neighbours like that years ago, they partied late on weekdays, i had to get up early, in the end i started leaving at 7am with the speakers facing the joining wall and CD playing loud as a wake up call for them, after less than a week we reached an understanding, lol

  • @TheRuinsfate

    @TheRuinsfate

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@paidwitness797 I would if I could, but then I'd be the one bothering the other apartments around us. Good idea though!

  • @frenchroast1355
    @frenchroast13552 жыл бұрын

    Did I miss the explanation on how the air cooling worked?

  • @chemistrykrang8065

    @chemistrykrang8065

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's water cooled.

  • @lucajohnen6719
    @lucajohnen67192 жыл бұрын

    Would it have been able to create a system where the recoil of the gun operated not just the feed system but also the water pump to a circulatory system?

  • @JohnADoe-pg1qk

    @JohnADoe-pg1qk

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think that's not a good idea: - You need the punp working after a shooting burst. - It would be difficult to add a mechanical interface from the gut to a pump: needed space, safety of the gunner (moving parts), reliable system (for the pump and the gun) - I think you need a complex mechanism to convert the fast movements of the gun into something usable for a water pump - Has the gun enough recoil energy?

  • @hachiman8964
    @hachiman89642 жыл бұрын

    One of gun of sentry in BV1

  • @JordanFlayer
    @JordanFlayer2 жыл бұрын

    nice

  • @JustanOlGuy
    @JustanOlGuy2 жыл бұрын

    Riveting Stuff ...Thoroughly Riveting... as always...Please forgive me...But you gave that Turd of a Gun a better eulogy than it deserved...

  • @10lauset
    @10lauset2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers

  • @henderson2394
    @henderson23942 жыл бұрын

    There's something like this in the game day of infamy, but it's a portable infantry lmg, pretty sure these basically didn't exist irl except for rare examples but they must have based it on something, been trying to find what for ages

  • @jbrwokyruges

    @jbrwokyruges

    2 жыл бұрын

    Possibly the German MG08/15?

  • @henderson2394

    @henderson2394

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jbrwokyruges possibly based on that, it's basically a vickers gun with a bipod strapped around the water jacket, so kinda this but slightly different

  • @FloodExterminator
    @FloodExterminator2 жыл бұрын

    Literally looks like someone took a Vickers, chopped the barrel down a bit, add a pistol grip, removed the spade grip and added a horseback riding saddle to function like a stock :S

  • @66kbm
    @66kbm2 жыл бұрын

    A video on various types and makes and comparisons of Tank Machine Guns would be good. Broken down into either Eras or Theatres or Manufacturers. Example, the British Company Vickers makes Machine Guns for Tanks, the British Govt/Army uses Besa MGs in its Tanks at that same time......Why?

  • @JeSsSe66
    @JeSsSe662 жыл бұрын

    What fascinates me the most about these older guns is the minuscule details in their design. I.e why the aluminum buttstock frame? Why-not a pressed steel frame? The rest of the gun is steel, but why is the buttstock frame aluminum? Wasn't aluminum in those days a bit more pricey?

  • @crazyfvck
    @crazyfvck2 жыл бұрын

    That thing is chunky and awesome, like something out of a Hellboy movie :D

  • @archstanton1628
    @archstanton16282 жыл бұрын

    Wanted to see that ejection tube in action 😕

  • 2 жыл бұрын

    Hellboy goes full-auto...

  • @DanielESmith-iz7lx
    @DanielESmith-iz7lx2 жыл бұрын

    So. The enemy could remove the booster (out side of the tank) and no more boom boom?

  • @ForgottenWeapons

    @ForgottenWeapons

    2 жыл бұрын

    If anyone actually pulled that off, they earned it. And they should have dropped a Molotov down the back instead.

  • @asmordisfluffbreaker4999
    @asmordisfluffbreaker49992 жыл бұрын

    That's one chunky piece.

  • @rancidpitts8243

    @rancidpitts8243

    2 жыл бұрын

    Looks like it would rival a M2 HB Browning in weight

  • @astridvallati4762
    @astridvallati47622 жыл бұрын

    I suppose, like most E series ( Export) these Argentine ones were supplied I 7,65x53 Argentine??? Canvas or disintegrating Prideaux Vickers Link??? DocAV

  • @randalthor832

    @randalthor832

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think he said it was in 303

  • @matthewspencer5086

    @matthewspencer5086

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@randalthor832 The right-handed feedblock he demonstrated was .303" (left over when he converted his own gun to 7.62x54R?) but the left-handed one had 7.65mm engraved on it. Ian never actually mentioned this, but it was the standard Argentinian ammunition and the good thing about the Vickers was how easy it was to make it work with different cartridges.

  • @The_Modeling_Underdog

    @The_Modeling_Underdog

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@matthewspencer5086 Indeed. These were mounted on the Carden Lloyd tanquettes iirc.

  • @RandsterA
    @RandsterA2 жыл бұрын

    Is the shoulder pad mounted upside down?

  • @rancidpitts8243

    @rancidpitts8243

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤔

  • @Mute_Nostril_Agony

    @Mute_Nostril_Agony

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think its a seat for a unicycle

  • @DarkestVampire92
    @DarkestVampire922 жыл бұрын

    "Its shorter, because they didn't quite need the range in an armored vehicle, it was more against infantry at close range" Or so they thought, because they didn't really know how tanks work yet and ranging shots were not yet a thing.

  • @randalthor832
    @randalthor8322 жыл бұрын

    Well I made the top 50, which is amout how many of these guns vickers apparently sold

  • @simonjones6128
    @simonjones61282 жыл бұрын

    Looks like a quality made gun ian mccollem

  • @ericbergfield6451
    @ericbergfield64512 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed the story of the army trying to figure out how to cool the gun in their tanks.

  • @iridium_LC
    @iridium_LC2 жыл бұрын

    ahh the good time weapons of her empire

  • @timsweet3224
    @timsweet32242 жыл бұрын

    yup and we also sold the japaneez and italians that high velocity 12.7 120.

  • @LegoGunCreations
    @LegoGunCreations2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Ian, I have some 32 long french

  • @michaelb6729
    @michaelb67292 жыл бұрын

    Soooo steampunk ! 👌

  • @brickwall9781
    @brickwall97812 жыл бұрын

    Perfect arm to use in my steampunk power armor

  • @GeorgeGeorge-cj6el
    @GeorgeGeorge-cj6el2 жыл бұрын

    So this is what they did with all the 1911 stock magazines (I don’t care if the years of production don’t match up, that butt stock looks too similar)

  • @ethan5.56
    @ethan5.562 жыл бұрын

    Dang saddle on that thing

  • @NomadShadow1
    @NomadShadow12 жыл бұрын

    Cool

  • @juiceFORfunNOTyet
    @juiceFORfunNOTyet2 жыл бұрын

    Спасибо за видео, комментарий в поддержку вашей работы

  • @nemesis1291
    @nemesis12912 жыл бұрын

    Anything connected to tanks❤️❤️❤️

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte2 жыл бұрын

    9:30 I don't get why nobody tried to copy Lewis cooling system until Pecheneg came along two decades ago. Doesn't it significantly boost effectiveness of air cooling?

  • @calvingreene90

    @calvingreene90

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tests say no.

  • @rancidpitts8243

    @rancidpitts8243

    2 жыл бұрын

    Like many inventions, or actions through time, all the originators could say after their sad failure was " It seemed like a good idea".

  • @richardelliott9511

    @richardelliott9511

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ian addressed that issue in one of his Lewis gun episodes. Without looking it up and if I remember correctly, the effectiveness of that system was over shadowed by the additional weight and bulk along with it's high cost of manufacture.

  • @c.j.1089
    @c.j.10892 жыл бұрын

    good lord that thing has to be heavy.

  • @Sevastous
    @Sevastous2 жыл бұрын

    Panzers going into 1939 Mg34 is fast, deadly and good to take care! Meanwhile in cruiser mk3