Forgot to comment here a while ago but I may as well! As mentioned by Eric, these are for my fan edit of the hobbit, although some of you new viewers might wonder why these VFX were done: First few with Thorin are because he no longer duels Azog, and so no reason for him to be wounded. Arrows were removed because there is no river battle. Dwalin was removed because he never went to Ravenhill & instead Bilbo goes for its location as vantage point, like the book. The rest are pretty self explanatory

@click8708

Жыл бұрын

Were can I find the cut?

@TF80s

Жыл бұрын

looks great, where can I watch your edit?

@powerofberzerker9487

8 ай бұрын

​@@TF80sLiterally type M4 the hobbit fan edit on google.

As long as Alfrid is gone then you're a hero

@josemoyano1543

2 ай бұрын

fr🤣

Peter Jackson should be ashamed of his Hobbit Trilogy. The M4 Edit made the story/film far more palatable--incredibly well done!

thank you!! - just watched the full M4 cut - best fanedit of the hobbit movies out there in my opinion. And frankly, the hobbit is probably the most important movie ever made to fanedit and deserves the kind of attention you and M4 put in. Despite the theatrical's flaws, martin freeman's performance (inspired casting by PJ) means it will always be a great movie.

@kevinjonhason1106

Жыл бұрын

where can i watch it?

@TF80s

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinjonhason1106 let me know too if you ever find out.

@foxhound13

8 ай бұрын

Like to know as well

@MrSilz-jb4ik

2 ай бұрын

@@foxhound13if you just google M4 the hobbit it was the first site that popped up for me

@gzuskreist1021

Ай бұрын

@@kevinjonhason1106 how do people not know about torrents....

This is one of the greatest fan edits in history of fan edits. Brilliant job!

I just finished watching this and it was fantastic. Easily the best fan edit of the "trilogy" so far! My only issues were a few abrupt cuts here and there and the intermission being a bit too long, but otherwise this is pretty much up to par with the LotR trilogy movies. I will be watching this again, fantastic work!

Damn, these are awesome!

This is impressive, wow.

amazing work!!! I am in LOVE with the gold removal from Smaug!

THAT'S AWESOME

Just watched the edit. Well done!

Wow that is really good

I managed to get my hands on this edit, and it is my preferred viewing for The Hobbit now. I didn't necessarily hate all the changes the movies made, I think Tauriel was cool for instance.. but she isn't in the book, and that just bugs me. I don't mind a bit of deviation, after all, the original Trilogy deviated pretty heavily in some areas, mostly due to time. Heck, some changes arguably improved the writing, for instance Aragorn taking up Anduril acting as a metaphor for his acceptance of his destiny, but when you get to the point where you are basically writing a whole extra book's worth of plot and characters, it isn't Tolkien anymore.

Wooden post > bard’s son.

Thats attention to detail

Hi Eric! First off I just want to say this is phenomenal work! Must have took hours to get everything pieced together scene by scene. I also have been working on a Hobbit edit for about 6 or 7 years now and am hoping to get it completed this year. I’d be very interested in working with you or discussing some potential effects work for the project if you’d be interested.

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

Hi! To be honest, I don't see myself joining in on another Hobbit project at this point. This is the one for me, and when it's done I'm done. But like I said in the video description, anyone is free to use these digital alterations in their edits as long as they give credit for the many hours I've put into these shots.

@MovieMentality

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric-nd9so Appreciate it man. And no worries. You've done some incredible work here. All the best

@MovieMentality

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric-nd9so In that case, maybe you could give me some advice as to whether you think an effect is doable. I don't know how well you know the film as a whole, but at the end of the film Beorn the bear is dropped into the battle and we see him fighting a bunch of orcs. In this, his fur is brown and I am looking to alter it to black to match his book description. There's a lot of movement in the shot. So far I've been going about it by changing the colour of his fur in a single frame and then running it through a software called EbSynth in order for it to alter each individual frame to the new colour, but results have proved pretty terrible. I was just wondering if you think this shot would be doable at all (not asking you to do it) or if you think it's impossible based on the footage

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

@@MovieMentality Interestingly, this was actually talked about on M4's discord today. Ultimately, the consensus was that it's not worth the time and effort. I think it's definitely doable though, so if it feels like a detail that is important enough for your edit, I say go for it. Just prepare to spend a lot of time on it. And I really mean a lot. With shots like those, with a lot of stuff going on like the Orcs climbing on him and other foreground elements overlapping etc, I don't think there's really any other way of doing it than to manually edit it frame by frame if you want a usable result. Which, obviously, is no small task. So to summarise - Is it doable? I definitely think so. Is it worth your time and effort? Only you can be the judge of that.

@M4Studios

3 жыл бұрын

@@MovieMentality To add onto this i believe eric would separate each frame then add them all to photoshop and you just go one by one, selecting the bear, colorizing to black, etc.

Y'all's edit really saved this trilogy. We all know that the hobbit sucks but this gave some real fidelity to the books. Y'all's editing is terrifically clever and I thank you for it. Is there a way to donate for this because it's definitely worth it.

@powerofberzerker9487

8 ай бұрын

The Hobbit is three above average films that have lots of small problems with the bigger ones being pacing, tone and CGI. This edit goes for more of a book story and for fixing those issues mentioned above. By doing that, the slightly above average films become one incredible epic that rivals LOTR, I'd give it a 9/10. The whole film is an amazing scene after an amazing scene and so on.

@LordVader1094

3 ай бұрын

@@powerofberzerker9487 Above average? You give them far too much credit. BotFA especially is overlong, boring, and downright nonsensical.

@boztos6025

5 сағат бұрын

"Y'all" in comment, comment disregarded. (It was one guy, dude.)

In the before shot, you can clearly see bullshit. In the after shot, the bullshit has been removed. Any questions?

Is there anywhere I can contact you regarding the VFX alterations and the edit?

Revisiting this - how'd you remove the gold from Smaug? Been working on a Hobbit edit myself, and I'm very curious how you pulled it off

Just curious, other than book fidelity, what was your purpose in taking out Bard's son? If it was only for book fidelity, I totally understand and it works for sure, but in a film sense his family and son being included gives us more a little background and empathy for the character

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I'm not M4 so I can't answer for him. You'd have to ask him about it. I only did some vfx work for his edit.

@M4Studios

3 жыл бұрын

I'm here! I can explain: Other than being like the book, Bard's family plot was pretty much entirely removed because it kinda sucked IMO / distracted from the main story (No more Bard being spied on, his kids helping with healing Kili/hanging with tauriel, his son hiding the black arrow, them all getting saved in BOTFA), so really removing him from the smaug attack was just another step in removing the bard-family plot, it would feel random to have his kid be super important in this scene but not anywhere else. My edit never explained the black arrow being hidden and the need for it to be delivered to bard, so it wouldn't work anyways. As for Bard's character, we focus more on him individually than his whole family. We hear some info about him, a little backstory, his ancestry, his motivations (part of which is wanting to keep his family safe, even if we dont know the kids personally), and so his character is still plenty fleshed out with an arc from everyman to leader, with clear motivations & character traits as you watch my project, without the need of putting his kids center stage so often. They are more background characters reminding us why he is a good man, relatable, and has good intentions. Additionally, I just thought it was a silly visual that was a little "corny" to have him balance the arrow on his kid.

Put thorin a beard and make him older.

@powerofberzerker9487

3 жыл бұрын

Good one, lol.. Maybe it can be done but that's a hard one.

@jacobmelanson3210

8 ай бұрын

That would take so much time lol

8 ай бұрын

@@jacobmelanson3210 make scenes tom bombadil with movie faces

Good Job. Can i buy the edited film ?

where can I watch it? :(

@eric-nd9so

8 ай бұрын

m4-studios.github.io/hobbitbookedit/

Great work! Is it possible to get your cut with german language? So it would be much easier for my father to understand the spoken language. Thank you very much.

can you share the link for the full movie please?

@Bringmeoneofthosechickens

9 ай бұрын

did you finally find it?

@ryanlefebvre2747

9 ай бұрын

@@Bringmeoneofthosechickens yes 👍

@stingstinger8641

7 ай бұрын

where? @@ryanlefebvre2747

What software did you use?

where can I get this edit?

@jhansam8757

2 жыл бұрын

search for the edit in reddit or go to the videos of M4 :The hobbit M4 edit

I finished the M4 edit and really enjoyed it! I will use it in future whenever I feel like rewatching the Hobbit from now on. My only major issue was the intermission between part 1 and 2. I feel like by cutting the eagles, we could have transitioned somewhat smoothly from the dwarves running from wargs into bilbo encountering transformed Beorn. I guess that causes in issue of "Where are the eagles coming from?" in part 3, but still. The intermission is weird and shouldn't be there.

@M4Studios

7 ай бұрын

It originally didn't have an intermission. That spot was just where the blu-ray version had "insert next disc" (which is still my preferred way of watching). You call it weird, but when I did a poll nearly everyone said I should add an intermission so I decided to do it

If you don't mind me asking, how did you remove Thorin's battle damage and the gold on Smaug? Was it simply a gaussian blur, or was it a mix of other effects as well?

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

For Thorin's wounds, I made a deepfake with DeepFaceLab. The result of the deepfake itself wasn't great, but good enough to mask it on top of the wounds with opacity turned down. As for Smaug, I used the already de-golded shot from the Maple Film's Edit and improved it by photoshopping it frame by frame using various methods, like the Healing Brush, Clone Stamp and masked adjustment layers. Again, not perfect results, but good enough for such a quick shot.

ok but why tf was dwalin removed from ravenhill.

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

Because he doesn't go there in M4's edit. Only Thorin, Fili and Kili does.

@JohnBanana

3 жыл бұрын

And also mainly because when Bilbo gets knocked out in that shot, the Dwarves are not at Ravenhill yet. Bilbo gets knocked out there alone because he's hiding closer to the start of the battle (like the book). The dwarves show up later

why would you remove Bard's son lol

@JohnBanana

5 ай бұрын

because in this edit the movie follows the book. bard is not imprisoned, his son is not a major character, and bard kills smaug on his own, meaning the son does not need to deliver the arrow, meaning it would make no sense for his son to randomly appear on the tower. plus, even more importantly it looked ridiculous to balance an arrow on your own kid's shoulder. this video is for an EDIT, because it edits how the original movie flows, that is why you would make such a change

Can you plz tell me, because i have to know. How did you do Smaug?

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

I used the already de-golded shot from the Maple Film's Edit and improved it by photoshopping it frame by frame using various methods, like the Healing Brush, Clone Stamp and masked adjustment layers.

@beyondthecamera333

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric-nd9so Jesus that must have taken long

@eric-nd9so

3 жыл бұрын

@@beyondthecamera333 Took a while, but it wasn't too bad actually. The way M4 has done his edit it was only about 20 frames or so, I think. He cuts away very quickly, right as Smaug breaks out.

@beyondthecamera333

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric-nd9so Thanks mate. I’m making a cut myself. I think I just have to bite the bullet and do it frame by frame like you did

@beyondthecamera333

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric-nd9so Yo man, if it isn't too much of a hazzle, could you give me a more detailed step by step process? I'm at the point where I need to do this myself, and I don't even know where to start.

Tbh some of these are not necessary

@M4Studios

Ай бұрын

They are. They were done to fix continuity because other scenes were removed not shown in this video Thorin wounds removed= the duel where he was wounded was removed to be like the book Arrows in barrels= the scene with orcs shooting arrows was removed to be like the book Smaug in gold= the part where smaug fell in melted gold was removed to be like the book Dwalin was removed=bilbo runs to ravenhill before the dwarves get there to be like the book bards son removed=bards son..was removed from this part because the black arrow plot was removed, the moment was ridiculous and immersion breaking radagast removed= removed from the entire film to be like the book

@4Bill_Bingus

Ай бұрын

@@M4Studios I will agree the bard one was stupid , Thorins wounds were never explained *not* to be there, The arrows are unnecessary , Its not making it *better* , They're entire films with whole scenes that aren't in the book, If he really wanted to fix something he should of removed Alfrid , And make Azog into a goblin, Stuff that actually *effects* the movie for the better.

@M4Studios

Ай бұрын

@@4Bill_Bingus Ah, I see, you are misunderstanding this video, check the description. This is a VFX reel FOR an entirely new edit, doing all of the things you said. You can watch it. It already does remove Alfrid, It removes scenes, it improves the films. Etc. You are just on the VFX (visual effects) reel for the edit. The VFX is just the tip of the iceberg, it's a demonstration of what was done to fix continuity errors *after* you remove scenes and improve the film, sometimes that causes problems when you remove scenes, you know? So these are the VFX that fix those problems.

@4Bill_Bingus

Ай бұрын

@@M4Studios Low key would be pointless if he's not editing the whole movie, Why change random scenes

What's the point of removing arrows from barrels? Some of those changes are kinda idiotic.

@M4Studios

2 жыл бұрын

Dude.. if you don't know the context then of course they're going to be idiotic, but perhaps you are the one making the idiotic comment. The arrows were removed because the entire Orc battle on the river was removed. They escape without getting shot at by arrows in my edit, so why would the arrows be there? Everything has an explanation, try to research before insulting someone's hard work.

@STFUppercut69

2 жыл бұрын

@@M4Studios Literally no one will notice arrows in a barrel, because no one is that big of a no-lifer and gives a shit. You should have tried landing a date, instead of wasting your time with that nonsense.

@snaphaan5049

Жыл бұрын

Wow... I just can't... Anyway, this is a fan edit of the movies. He removed the battle scene with the barrels so he had to remove the arrows as well. He did a terrific job btw. If you can find it it's a 25gig 1080p download for this fan edit. Stunning work.

@yimlife7195

6 ай бұрын

Because there was a never a battle during the barrels scene in the book to begin with smh

@Eligames2009

2 ай бұрын

@@M4Studios W Comeback

Bards son replaced by a piece of timber 😂. I ‘wood’nt be happy 🤣 🪵 🪵