I was most excited for this deck. Quite littlerally the most unique out of the Italian decks, so I was very curious to learn more about this oddball. Definitely hope you cover some games with the German 32 card and Swiss suited 32-36 card decks!

Indeed, it's a beautiful deck. The main game it's used for (at least in the German-speaking area of Südtirol in Italy) is Watten. You can watch it played on TV in Südtirol, although Tiroler dialect is hard work to understand even for me as a German-speaker! Südtiroler also play a version of Tresette with these cards, via the Italian influence. In Vorarlberg, this deck is used for the Swiss Jass games also. For the record - Tarock isn't played with German suits though, it's generally played with French suits in the German-speaking areas of Europe, and then with Latin/Italian suits for Tarocchi in Italy. With the other German games, it varies regionally - most Germans play Skat and Doppelkopf with French suits, except for in the former East Germany, where they use German suits. In Bavaria Schafkopf is always played with German suited-cards, you'd get thrown out of Bavarian pubs if you pulled out a poker deck for a game of Schafkopf... :)

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks this is incredibly insightful! The German deck has been such a curiosity and I'm glad to have scratched the surface with this video. It sounds like Watten is the game to play with these, I guess I know where to go now. I'd also like to try the Tiroler Tressette. In my research I found a Bavarian Tarok that claimed to use this deck, but it's possible it fizzled out over the centuries. I once got thrown out of a bar in Munich, but I think it had more to do with being too young to keep up with liters of beer being served to me, lol. Thanks so much for the amazing intel!

@learntarotcardgames54

Жыл бұрын

@@Play-In-Games ah yes - the Bavarian deck is labelled "Schafkopf Tarock", but it's a different game to the usual Tarock games played in Austria and Slovenia etc. You can find out about it by googling "Bavarian Tarock", it started centuries ago as an attempt to play Tarock without a Tarot deck, and evolved into something a bit different. I think it is still played occasionally, but have never tried it.

Griaß di! I am from Nordtirol in Austria and I am very familiar with the card game "Watten", however, I only know how to play it with the Doppeldeutschen Spielkarten. These cards have 36 cards. 6, 7, 8, 9 , 10, Unter (under jack), Ober (over jack), König (King) and Sau/Dame (Pig/Lady) The four suits represented in these Doppeldeutschen Spielkarten are: Schell (Bell), Herz (Hearts), Laub (Leaves) and Eichel (Acorn) The first thing you have to do before starting the game is removing three of the four sixes. Remove the heart 6, acorn 6 and the leaf 6. The only one left is the bell 6, which we call the "Welli" or sometimes written as "Weli". Depending on what you prefer, this card counts as part of every suit (being heart, bell, leaf and acorn all in one) or it only represents the bell suit. Having done that you can start the game: 1. The dealer deals 5 cards in total at the begining, however, he first gives every player (minimum 2 players) three and then two cards. Every player only looks at their own cards. 2. The player sitting to the left of the dealer now announces the "Schlag" (directly translated "hit" or "punch") which is simply the figure. for example: Ten 3. The dealer announces the "Farbe" (directly translated "colour"), meaning the suit. So he either says heart, leaf, bell or acorn. For example: Heart 4. Combining the announced information we now create the "Rechten" ("The right") he is the highest card in the game. In our example the heart ten. This card beats every other card in the game. The second highest cards are the "Blinden" ("the blind") which are the three cards with the same figure. In our example the acorn ten, the bell ten and the leaf ten. These cards beat every card except the "Rechten". Additionally, the announced suit is now raised above all the other suits. So for example: If you play a king of leaf you even lose against a seven of hearts. IMPORTANT: If the announced suit is played as the first card in a so called "Stich" (a round) every player has to play this suit. So lets say the announced suit is "Heart": Player A: heart king Player B: heart seven Player C: heart pig Player D: Heart under Jack -----> the round goes to Player C If one player does not own the announced suit, but the announced figure (Schlag), they have to beat it, unless someone else has already played one. For example. It is Heart Ten Player A: heart king Player B: acorn ten (because he only has this and no heart) Player C: leaf seven (He doesn`t have a heart, but he has a ten, however Player B already played one and his card cannot beat the acorn ten. Only the Rechte can do this, so he plays just any card) Player D: heart under Jack ------> the round goes to Player B The only exception to this rule is the "Rechte", whom you are NEVER forced to play. Now to the GOAL of the game. The goal varies with the amount of players playing: 2 Players: The whole game consists out of small rounds, so called "Stiche". A player wins if he won three of the max. five rounds. One round for every card. However, if the first three rounds are won by the same player, it obviously is no longer needed to play the last two rounds, because the winner is already clear. 4 Players: You play in pairs. Your goal is to reach 11 points. You normally get 2 points for every game you and your partner win (so you won three of the max. five "Stiche"). However, if you are sure of your win or want to bluff you are able to announce: "Three", which means you want to play for three points. The enemies have now three options: They either leave (The game ends and the announcer automaticly gets two points), they stay (the game continious as usual for three points) or they can say "Four", meaning they are sure of their win or bluffing and they want to play for four points. If a pair reaches 9 points they are "gestrichen" (crossed out), meaning they are no longer allowed to say three. However, if they do say three, they will lose two points. The winner is the pair to first reach 11 points. The losers get a so called "Bummerl" which is a small dot next to the notes (the written down points), so some people play over a year, counting the Bummerl at the end of the year and the pair with more of them has to buy the overall winners an ice cream or something. Trust me, I have payed for many ice creams in my "Watten" Career. KZread wont let me comment such a long comment so I will leave the rest in another comment.

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! This is so nice! Precisely the reason I started the channel, to help keep games alive. I thank you for enlightening me on the game Watten from the one of my most favorite regions, Tirol. I have been wanting to give the game a try and perhaps I will now, thanks to you!

@LittleBishop001

9 ай бұрын

Nice detailed description. This game sounds like fun. Eventually I will try to play it with my friends, thanks for sharing.

Love these cards so much. My nonna actually ordered some while she was in italy but they never came, so i ordered some on etsy and they're so much fun to play with or even just to admire 😅

thanks for all of these videos, I've learned a lot

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Loving the content! I've been obsessed with your channel lately! I started my own collection of Italian decks and have 5 of them so far. This summer I was in Europe and managed to get my hands on multiple sets of these decks that are swiss jass/german/austrian and hungarian. They are also known as belot cards. I actually found a modiano brand deck. If you look up modiano belot you can find them online for purchase. What's interesting of all the sets I got, some came with 32 cards, some with 33 and some with 36. The weli card which is a "6" and you had in your salzburger deck is played as sort of as a joker in Watten. A random couple I saw playing with these cards explained the game to me but I need to recap from memory and dig online more. That extra 6 is what makes the deck have 33 cards. The season cards with the ladies are actually considered the aces. The 36 cards deck come with 6s for each available suit. In the northern part of Serbia (which used to be Austria Hungary before WWI) plays with this deck which they call the "Hungarians", there are two popular games played with these called Lorum (or another name is Lora) and Preferans. Looking forward to your other content! All the best!

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Sounds like you had an amazing trip. While Italian games like Scopa and Briscola have gone world wide, many of these Alpine games seem to have stayed regional and are in need of more exposure. Skat seems to have made more of an impact than the others. Perhaps someone can make some videos on these 🤔 Thanks again for the great info and thanks for watching!

I have ordered some of these cards, and I hope to learn a few of the games you can play with this deck. If you could find some of the games and make some of your amazing videos about it that would be awesome. You make very good tutorials.

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Oh nice! I should revisit this. I still need to track down some Tyrolians and play their games in person. Let me know if you have success in learning some. Thanks!

did I just watch a 5 minute infomercial for a Krampus recording? 🤣

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

You made it all the way through? Thanks!

Well "Tarock" is not played with the "German suited card deck" Although there is a single card game called "Bayrisches Tarock" (=Bavarian Tarock)which included certain Tarock game elements and is played with the "German suited card deck" BUT that actually is not part of the socalled "Tarock card game family" because it has no Tarock trump cards ..."Bayrisches Tarock" is actually just a mixture out of "Schnapsen" alternatively also known as "Sechsundsechzig/Sixtysix" + "Schafskopf" + has some few Tarock elements included as already mentioned. The "Tarock card game family" are all the card games which are played with the classic Tarock card deck which has 54 cards where 22 cards are emblematic cards called Tarock trumps cards and 32 suit cards which covers most of all 18 different Tarock game variations unless 3 variations which are played with the French Tarot deck of 78 cards... But the by far most prominent Tarock game is "Königrufen/call the King" played with 54 cards, but also "Neuzehnerrufen/call the trump 19" played with 54 cards is a very common Tarock variation quite similar in play like Königrufen but foremost with a different counting system... and there are also regional variations of both of those like "Hungarian Tarock" or "Slovenian Tarock" or "Czech Tarock" "Zwanzigerrufen/call the trump 20" played with 40 cards of the 54 card deck is also a very common Tarock version but played foremost only in Austria..and is basically a simplified version with way less "contract annoucements" (6 - 8 instead of over 20 at Königrufen/19er rufen which is for most beginners then overwhelming) and it has a simplified trick counting...in my humble opinion this is the best variation in order to learn Tarock from scratch for beginners and then when familiar with the game go the next step for the more complicated "Königrufen" or "19er rufen" because that is then basically foremost just an adding of more "contract annoucements" and the bit more complicated trick counting is then easier to grasp as well

@Play-In-Games

9 ай бұрын

Excellent breakdown, thanks for sharing. I am very intrigued by the Königrufen version as I am not so familiar with the Tarock games. Perhaps I'll give it a go. Thanks for watching!

There is a game they play in South Tyrol called Watten but in Italian it's called Batadu (the U has a grave accent so bataDU).

@Play-In-Games

7 ай бұрын

I would love to learn that game. Thanks for the info!

Loving the series! For what its worth, the card game Mariáš is well suited (pun intended) for this deck. So much so that the wikipedia page for the game features a very similar deck of cards! Another interesting game, Schnapsen, could be fitting for these cards. Given how popular the game is in Austria and the "over" and "under" style of jacks.

@learntarotcardgames54

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's basically the same as the usual Austrian/Hungarian deck used for Schnapsen.

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

I hadn't heard of that one, thanks for sharing! One more great one to learn.

German cards are the most beautiful across the world (and the most beautiful of them being Silesian pattern by Franciszek Bunsch). Shame that there is usually only 32 card in the pack what hardly allows to play some games.

Maybe you could make a video about that.

Very nice deck. I have the bavarian pattern at home and I use it mostly to play schnapsen (or 66). And you definitely can't play tarock with this deck atleast not if you don't combine it with another one.

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Oh nice, I just looked that one up, amazing artwork! You’re correct about Tarock, I should have been more specific, there was a game called Bavarian Tarock that was a modified tarot for use with these cards. It seems to have fallen out of favor though.

@RMS_Oceanic

Жыл бұрын

@@Play-In-Games Yes the Bavarian tarock. It isn't really played outside Bavaria but it's very similar to other tarock games but without the trumps. It's quite easy to learn aswell.

How to play Scopone with those cards, please?

@Play-In-Games

9 ай бұрын

Me too! Is this possible?

@LittleBishop001

9 ай бұрын

@@Play-In-Games I was thinking perhaps Unter=1, Deuce=2, Ober=3, König=4, then just 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 with their normal values, can it work?

Is this deck can be used for Italian/Spanish games?? Why it has 40 cards?

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the most popular Italian games (Scopa, Briscola and Tressette) use 40 card games. Thanks for watching!

@RGJFGTHTGDGDTGB

Жыл бұрын

@@Play-In-Games Can you please make a video on how to use salzburgesi deck to play scopa?

@Play-In-Games

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if that’s possible with German style decks. They do play some local Italian games from the region. If I learn those I’ll try to make a video about them.