Dr. King spoke of nonviolence not peaceful. He also said that a riot was the language of the unheard. Don’t misuse Dr. King’s work and his words for your inexcusable and harmful actions.

@reaccionapuertorico

2 ай бұрын

He never condoned rioting, don’t misuse his words.

@saponicheryl3739

2 ай бұрын

@@reaccionapuertorico He did understand why some had to riot. Again, he said that ‘ a riot is the language of the unheard.’

"State a moral case to a ploughman and a professor. The former will decide it as well, and often better than the latter, because he has not been led astray by artificial rules." Mr. Jefferson. The same is obviousely true for Univerity Presidents.

Sending police to intervene because the situation MIGHT become “violent” is like extinguishing a microwave bc it MIGHT start a fire. It’s one thing to send police to observe. It’s another to send them there to break it up and cause a scene.

@HogRidaaa

2 ай бұрын

This is a terrible analogy. The bottom line is simple: the encampment was growing and becoming increasingly violent. This fictitious microwave of yours had begun to spark. Rather than allow the microwave to catch fire (the encampment), it was unplugged (ended). Allowing it to continue would only have allowed more outsiders to come into our community and wreak havoc. The faculty and police handled this appropriately.

@NickyD

2 ай бұрын

laws are laws dont leave face cops simple

@JohnMiddletonBunny

2 ай бұрын

@@HogRidaaa Imagine if the microwave had an umbrella.

@strongarm4260

2 ай бұрын

​@@NickyD🪖📚🗿

@reaccionapuertorico

2 ай бұрын

@@HogRidaaaif she went to UVA and that’s the best she could come up with, that university is doomed.

I missed the link to this meeting until seeing the report of the recorded version today. Regardless of my position AND whether or not I believe the protests should be occurring on any campus (with even some campuses' and federal officials' liberal invitations to protest), I do believe the use of teargas is indicative of UVA's and Officer Longo's leadership styles. I have observed a problem of lack of communication with the UVA departments or officers President Ryan and Chief Longo are responsible for supervising. As a UVA parent since 2022 it appears we have reached an impasse. I have lived in the Charlottesville community since 2004, with high degrees of community volunteering, cultivation, and rapport demonstrated. I repeatedly have asked since my daughter has been a UVA student for assistance by the administration in a highly reasonable manner, about a highly reasonably presented and serious matter. Every time its administration and assistants working for it has cited a technicality with absolutely no critical thinking about the problem, has escalated the timbre to the point of unfriendliness and shrillness, no offer of a supervisor's review when it is requested, and then forms of retaliation have occurred against our family. Whether this has to do with employees trying to keep their jobs, it is not at all a best practice when universities service families and students together, and i leadership has to know. The same has been true in our experience of other branches of the UVA brand name including the UVA Health System, and in several instances after presenting an issue our claim has been followed by flashy PR advertising on local news affiliates shortly after the claim. This style of non-review also mirrors my experience with all local Virginia police departments, Albemarle, Charlottesville, and UVA, and in our situation is highly discriminatory. I'm so happy no gun violence occurred as it did in the Fall 2022 murders on campus, but I still think tear gas is overkill. I also believe the suppression producing victimization and other predatory gestures with educated or non-educated people are not examples of positive leadership in town-gown relations.

@ln9296

2 ай бұрын

Pepper spray was used, not tear gas. There is a difference.

@angelawilmot1417

2 ай бұрын

@@ln9296 Thank you for clarification. As reported today, I watched on NBC the way UCLA handled its larger campus protests, and it was interesting language used by both the LAPD and the university. The law in California cited by LAPD in the broadcast said it was the university president's decision to assess and call in police, and not police themselves, and his liability. So, UCLA's president let it play out until he gave the call, after protesters became violent, and many students suggested it was public land, they pay tuition, and should not have an impediment to attending class. The drama of arrests and irritants vary depending on the broadcast. It seems to me that Americans since the 1/6 riots need structure about how to protest, and this could be scaffolded in both high schools and higher eduction places of learning. Maybe protests at public education institutions should occur instead by permit, near state capital courthouses or Washington DC spaces, rather on public education campuses, and universities can encourage club participation structure and permit applications rather than on-campus demonstrations? I also have had this observation also about a student walkout at a local public high school.

@strongarm4260

2 ай бұрын

​@@ln9296✂️👹🌐

@ln9296

2 ай бұрын

@@angelawilmot1417 The right of people to peaceably assemble on public land is guaranteed by the first amendment. However, the goal of these demonstrations was not merely to express an opinion, it was to prevent the normal functioning of the university as a means to coerce administrators to give into their demands. At Columbia where the administration failed to act, protestors occupied campus buildings, vandalized university property, and harassed Jewish students on campus (I understand there are many people in denial about this last point, there is no shortage of video evidence which I would be happy to provide). This resulted in a full shutdown of Columbia's main campus, classes were online, exams were asynchronous, and graduations was cancelled. Universities are not obligated to tolerate this kind of behavior.

@angelawilmot1417

Ай бұрын

@@ln9296, I do not get news from local sources. Though it might have been falsified by an intranet, the literal headline in the New York Times on May 4 (and if I could share a screenshot here, I would) said "At U.Va., Police Deploy Tear Gas on Protesters." The article itself uses the language "chemical irritants." Using force and irritants due to poor administrative planning and action is not acceptable.

So much that is deeply disturbing about all of this. Traumatizing students who are in your care and whose parents are giving you their trust and paying a lot for it is sort of addressed here (though I don't hear even an apology). If you send in militarized state troopers with pepper spray and riot gear to deal with students and community members, you're going to get a terrorized, enraged response like you got. In the way you address it, I hear an othering of the larger Charlottesville community that doesn't work. I'm a current UVA student and long time community member, and I've seen how UVA has been a very big part of this community and vice-versa, for better and worse (Main St, which was small walk-in friendly businesses like used bookstores now an impenetrable facade of upscale student housing, hotels, and breweries etc that cater to students; once black neighborhoods that are now student housing). The woman charged with striking an officer is someone who is widely beloved and known for her good work in community in this town. We are not outsiders, we are natives. More disturbing to me is your lack of address at all of the issues in the larger human community. You didn't accept the protestor's demands, and they didn't accept yours. I would like to see addressed here what investments the university has in the genocide of the people of Palestine. You talk about student dialogue; how is taking responsibility and actual change happening in those dialogues? I don't see it. I'm thankful that there are many good people inside the walls of UVA who are really working to make change from the old profit driven way of navigating this life (greed=power=racism=mysogeny=all the phobias -FEAR and it's a vicious cycle, duh), and for the small changes I see happening towards understanding for ALL people. I challenge you to more seriously examine what you did not respond to, and your harmful way of handling people who were trying to nudge you towards broader understanding this last weekend.

When parents in the sun open umbrellas during final exercises and then retreat to tents for refreshments, I'm sure Ryan, Longo, Baucom, Davis, and Bonner will call in the SWAT team ... perhaps even calling for them over their amplified sound system.

Can you stop with using the word ‘peaceful?’ Protests are meant to be disruptive while nonviolent.

Keep up the good work. Break laws, suffer consequences.

This virtual townhall is as much of a cowardly insult and disappointment as your actions on Saturday. As an alum, I’m embarrassed and dismayed. All involved need to apologize for such rash actions and now making it worse by trying to explain away your decisions. If what you’re saying had any truth, why are your faculty, students and others giving different accounts. Why weren’t you there, President Ryan?

@leslielillard2843

2 ай бұрын

Apparently you did not listen to the whole meeting. President Ryan explained why he was not there and where he was at the time.

300 Nazis with Tiki torches marched through the campus unmolested, but students cannot protest genocide 😢

Well if you admit a third of freshman from out of state students you get radical students outside Virginia. Would have liked President Ryan explain the rationale of admitting a third of freshman from out of state of Virginia, when so many well qualified Virginia high school graduates are not accepted with parents with roots in Virginia commonwealth communities. My kid good example, graduating Loudoun County has 4.0 GPA, 4 years activities like Marching Band, 1520 SAT, did not even make wait list. You know some in-state parents would pay the out state tuition if needed and be local to state to control their student’s behavior. Parent and donor of new well behaved JMU Duke!

@nazaninsetayeshpour5773

2 ай бұрын

L kid

@Uhohohno319

2 ай бұрын

At least in my day, public schools have/had to admit a certain percentage of out-of-state students while limiting the number of students from northern VA and I think Richmond because of certain advantages those schools have. Also, was your child in anything besides band?