Can't believe I just got this free on KZread! Definitely getting one of your classes John! Thank you and Johnathan!

Push pull is an absolute gamechanger!!!!!

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

no lies detected!

John, This is excellent teaching in an actionable way due to the description of using a bow and arrow, then applying those opposing motions to the shotgun. As a person who has practiced archery, this is really helpful. Thank you, Sir.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

@phatgringo2.0

Жыл бұрын

Will you clean my cat box? Please?!?!

@catboxcleaner3532

Жыл бұрын

@@phatgringo2.0 On my way with a pair of🧤

Finished a class with Matt Haught in April. I am now a fan of push-pull. Matt advised that a shorter length of pull for my stock would make push pull easier. Mine was 14 inch lop and I was pretty far extended on the forend and didn't have much room to push. A shorter lop gives you a closer start and some space to push out. I got a 12 inch lop stock and will try again soon.

John looks like the “tactical” version of Jack Black lol. Good video, solid material!

Just got my first pump and can't wait to try this technique. Thanks for this!!

I operate the slide as fast as I pull the trigger. Pushing the slide forward that hard although reduced recoil ,it slowed my shots.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Go watch Matt or Rob Haught run their pump gun. It is just as fast but recoil control is much better.

Top-notch demonstrations…seeing is believing!

I was tying to show my brother how to do this just last weekend. Now i can send him the video Thanks John

Thank you for the great information. Take care!

WOW.. I can't wait to try this!

Never heard or tried this technique, but it makes absolute good sense. Haven’t shot my shotgun in a few years, but I know in past doing some skeet shooting- after 100+ rounds, I’d have super sore- bruised shoulder for a few days. I’d always pull the shotgun firmly into my shoulder & take 100% of the recoil. I’ll have to give it a try!

Jonathan and his wife are always great to do business with.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Great people!

Thx for the video ,many great tips!

Thank you. 🙏🏼

FWIW, had a Wilderness Belt for years now. It is still my go to. Tried others but always seem to go back to my Wilderness Tactical. Cool vid, seen this recently and exploring the skill too.

I agree 100%, John. I just shot my shotgun like that instinctively but didn't know that it had a name. The Rem. 887 Nitro-Mag Tactical has gotten a bad rap from some people but I absolutely love mine. It is the sweetest shooting shotgun that I have ever shot much with. Also, the design of the fore-end makes it easy to grip and apply a lot of push. And the push/pull technique is even more necessary when shooting 3.5" magnums. Those shells will beat you up if you're not careful.

So glad to see you teaching this method Jonathan. I have a Winchester 1300 Defender with a pistol grip only and I can fire 3” shells all day with the grip just a couple inches from my face. No problem.

I remember taking a shotgun class with Rob Haught. Towards the beginning of class he dumped his fully loaded short barreled 870 standing on 1 foot as fast as a lot of people shoot a semi auto pistol. He got all of his hits and turned around and told us all by the end of class we’d all be doing that. Sure enough after a 2 day class we all were doing it on 1 foot. Rob is a great instructor and the push-pull technique is most definitely a game changer.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

He’s also just a fine human.

This is awesome to see

this makes bird's heads look so much more viable

@RacerX-124

Жыл бұрын

That's the way I've been shooting those, and I've never understood the negative attitudes toward them. It never occurred to me this could be a viable technique for almost any long gun.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Rhett Neumayer at Demonstrated Concepts has so much good stuff on push-clench with a birds head.

Push-Pull a real game changer for shotgun technique! Much thanks to Active Self Protection and the Haughts! Tip: Add grip exercises to your work-out routine.

Thanks John, I’ve always wondered what people meant by the push-pull technique, very helpful and informative video, can’t wait to try this

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

Interesting that he was able to get that kind of accuracy from Hornady SST slugs, assuming a smoothbore shotgun. Those are sabot slugs designed and intended for use in rifled shotgun barrels.

@Tuton25

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he was shooting Hornady American Whitetails which are just regular old rifled slugs.

@167idpa

Жыл бұрын

@@Tuton25 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ He accurately described a SST slug, and the hull color matches. I dig some Hornady AW slugs. Those things shoot pretty well in my experience.

Nice technique. I am going to try it. I took a 2 day class and was beat up bad. Thanks!

I concur, this technique rocks

Getting my learn on, in preparation for my LTT 1301 to arrive next month!

Wow. Now I want to go take my Benelli out and try this. Thank you for the info Mr. Jack Black sir. This give me a whole new way of training with my shotty.

My shoulder thanks you!

John is a super cool guy!!!

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Awww, thanks.

This technique has allowed me to be able to shoot 12ga. It works!

Very glad I caught this video... I took a ~3 hour one on one shotgun class, the advice I got was to basically pocket the bottom corner of the stock in to the pocket just above my collarbone. It worked, I was able to stand up straight, I was not getting beat up or pushed around by recoil, BUT, it's been extremely hard for me to repeat! I took my shotgun out about a month later, and I must have spent twenty minutes trying to find that sweet spot again. I look forward to trying this technique instead.

I recently had the same experience shooting my new Vangcomp “Standard” for the first time. I was attempting the “push pull” technique, but still got beat up pretty good. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@oklahomahank2378

Жыл бұрын

A common learning experience is not pushing hard enough. I took John’s class and he helped me a lot with this. Good teacher.

Works in hunting too

Great info! A shotgun for home defense is a great option.

Do they shoot full-house high brass loads for training?

9:46 A little less dot. Haha.

Those Hornady SST sabots are devastating on deer.

Holding the shotgun in the pocket is what I do though I don't necessarily push though I do brace with the forend. Outright pushing with the forend will sort of make your arms tired if you're shooting a lot. During the run on ammo, I ordered a couple cases of slugs as the indoor range I was a member of at the time only allowed slugs. I was plenty used to 1300 fps slugs but what I mistakenly ordered was 1600 fps slugs. TWO cases (250 each case). So here I am with 500 of these high velocity slugs and at first, I HATE them. But I learned. I figured out very quickly what I was doing wrong. Believe me, if you're holding a shotgun improperly, high V slugs WILL let you know you're doing it wrong! LOL! After a few adjustments to my grip and trying the push-pull method, I soon found out that bracing with my grip on the forend instead of outright pushing achieved essentially the same thing. No more bruised shoulders. I'm now to the point where I enjoy shooting the high V slugs. Not saying the push-pull method is wrong. I'm just saying if you're shooting a lot with that method, then I think it'll tire your arms out a bit which will impact your accuracy. Edit: I also recommend the Magpul furniture if your shotgun can fit it. The forends have great purchase and the stocks are a great hybrid of a pistol grip and traditional stock which makes for great ergonomics.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Oh I dunno, I have shot 400 rounds in a day push pull and not been tired.

@1977Yakko

Жыл бұрын

@Active Self Protection Extra I'm glad to hear it. I'm definitely not an expert as I've only had a shotgun for a couple of years in spite of shooting handguns and rifles for more than two decades. I'm not sure why I was so late to join the shotgun community but I'm glad to be a part of it now. I shoot my 18" Mossberg 590A1 more than I do my handguns now. Boomsticks are ridiculous fun to shoot, so I sort of feel like I'm playing catch-up. 😀

I’ve been using the push pull technique for about 15 years now and I am able to offhand at 100 yards a 12 inch circle with my 22 pistol

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Push pull is a long gun technique.

This has to be a tactical thing.

@ASPextra

4 ай бұрын

Its origins are in defensive and patrol shotgun rather than hunting for sure.

Hey John, will this technique work as well with a pistol grip fore end?

@ASPextra

10 ай бұрын

It can, though I don't love hand stops on shotguns, and foregrips even less.

Have you tried this with a high powered rifle, like hot .45-70 or .338 Win Mag?

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

I have, it works!

I've heard of this technique before, but this was an EXCELLENT explanation. QUESTION: I notice your setup is pretty conventional. Have you tried, or do you have an opinion on either, a forward hand stop, or reduced LOP stock? What about Shockwave type shotguns?

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

My stock is short, like 11.5" LOP. I don't like a hand stop on the shotgun, I have tried it and it hurt like hell.

It seems this technique would best improve a shooter with a semi then with a pump ! Any thoughts ?

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Works great on pump guns too.

@SA-yz3kj

Жыл бұрын

It works even better on semi-auto Love my 930 MB

Gotta say man....digging the unkempt Jack Black look

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

I like the long hair. It's different and fun.

@Roland191145

Жыл бұрын

@Active Self Protection Extra it looks good on you man. Keep it going

Can find the shotgun training on your asp website.

@ASPextra

22 күн бұрын

It's in the ASP Unlimited app.

Probably a silly question, but does this method work with rifles like the M1 Garand?

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it is helpful for any long gun with higher recoil.

He’s wearing his ear plugs wrong. They’re just sitting there not doing anything. I see this all the time, some people give up shooting altogether because it’s “too loud”. They need to be rolled up and inserted deep into the canal while pulling the ear up, per instructions on the wrapper.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

They're under his muffs and therefore that's irrelevant.

How many years did you study kenpo?

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

16

@bernardhayes4459

Жыл бұрын

My late cousin was a kenpo 5th degres black belt

Can this be effectively used on higher recoil rifles?

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Yes 100%.

@Daniel-wk5ib

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for responding John! I am going to have to give this technique a try... I don't own a shot gun....

You acting as each of his individual hands was a great way to demonstrate your skills

What about a pistol grip setup? Does that make this more difficult? Gonna try this tomorrow

@ASPextra

Ай бұрын

While I am not a big fan of a pistol grip on a shotgun that isn’t a breaching gun, it doesn’t change the basics of push pull.

@Mordant.Melodys

Ай бұрын

@@ASPextra thanks for the reply. I had it set that way because it was what I was used to. In the army we only had them for breaching. That being said, I’m going to switch it up and put a stock on it. I hate shot guns but this video may have changed that, and I’m gonna switch the grip out and run this technique

@Mordant.Melodys

Ай бұрын

@@ASPextra it took a few tries with the pistol grip, trying these fundamentals, but it was a game changer. You’re right though, pistol grip shotguns aren’t really practical outside of breaching so I can’t wait to try it with a stock.

@ASPextra

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the angle of your wrist while holding the pistol grip makes it pretty uncomfortable for most

I've wanted to learn this technique. Does the cheek ever get bumped accidentally?

@muskaos

Жыл бұрын

Yes it does, when you forget to push pull. I took a class with Rob Haught about 12 years ago, and I definitely knew when I forgot to push pull, the gun would pop me in the face. :)

Great stuff! Now all I need is a shotgun!

Sounds like the "national training facility" he attended needs to send some instructors to a modern shotgun course.

The only 12ga I've ever shot was my grandfather's old Mossberg 500 hunting gun with no recoil pad and a trigger that's probably a 15lb pull. That made me decide that when I get a 12ga it will be a semi-auto but now I'm curious how much it will help on that old 500. You've talked about push-pull before but it's been a while. By the way, and I apologize if you responded the last time I said this, I'm shadowbanned on the main channel. I can leave comments and replies but they don't appear to anyone. I try to leave constructive info but it feels like I'm shouting into the wind. I replied earlier to someone asking how many rounds you should put through an EDC before carrying it because I want to help people become responsible and comfortable carriers.

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

The only reason people get banned on the main channel is overt racism.

Bro what happened you just look very mutual 😂😂 am I that old watch you go grey through a screen wow

Maybe he need to upgrade to a magpul forend so he stop loosing his grip

@ASPextra

11 ай бұрын

Yeah his stock forend isn't helping him. But that's a learning process too.

Are you trying to go for that Portland homeless look? It's definitely tine for a haircut man!!

Barely -- if any - recoil with a shotgun! WUT!

Are those...... cat ears?

@ASPextra

2 ай бұрын

What's The Deal With The Cat Ears?! kzread.info/dash/bejne/gq2f0NCQdKjAitI.html

Bruh cut them curls off asap

@blaketamblyn1099

Жыл бұрын

And ditch those silly ears on his ear pro

@ASPextra

Жыл бұрын

Or... how about I grow my hair as I'd like and use the hearing protection I'd like?

@joshreynolds7643

Жыл бұрын

@Active Self Protection Extra I actually can’t help but feel bad for people like this, that feel the need to try to tear people down. Especially over something as trivial as hairstyle and ear protection.

@catboxcleaner3532

Жыл бұрын

@@joshreynolds7643 Agreed!