"If you’re watching this, you know, years in the future." This really caught me off guard since I didn't check the upload date.

@Nhatanh0475

3 жыл бұрын

4:10 Poor the past for spending that much. Now we can get that much data (HDD) for half the prices.

@marknc9616

3 жыл бұрын

I viewed this video for some retro technology fun.

@yeye3800

4 ай бұрын

@@Nhatanh0475 SSDs now cheaper than the HDD

You should do this again in 2018 with 256GB drives over USB 3 and see what performance you can get.

@flandrble

5 жыл бұрын

Considering a single USB thumbdrive can now saturate USB3 Gen1, that's kinda pointless.

@437H3R1U5

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJiim9t9qrO3edI.html

@StevenMorganN75

5 жыл бұрын

Was gonna give you a thumbs up but noticed it was at 256...

@Danixu86

5 жыл бұрын

@@flandrble Wow!!, what kind o thumbdrive is able to archieve more than 450MB/s?. I've connected my SSD drive to my computer using my USB3 and it reaches 450MB/s, and just maybe because the adapter is limited (the drive is able to archieve 550MB/s).

@flandrble

5 жыл бұрын

@@Danixu86 the corsair flash voyager gtx does 450 and the sandisk extreme pro 3.1 does 420+ and that's without the benefit of the overhead reducing uasp protocol that sata enclosures have, these thumb drives still contain sata to usb bridge interfaces. I have a 6 year old first gen sandisk extreme pro 3.0 which can still deliver a solid 260+ every day, it was faster than my first usb3 controller which could only get it up to 190.

"A terabyte, which is a whopping amount of storage" Meanwhile september of 2019, Linus media's petabyte project is completely full

@michaeldejesus8631

4 жыл бұрын

Pulsar wow yeah I was just interacting with googles digital storage conversions chart and I caught a glimpse of something I have never seen or heard of ever before “petabytes” 💀

@xtdycxtfuv9353

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldejesus8631 really the 'peta' bit is just a prefix from the metric system, like kilo, mega, giga, tera and then peta. there are a lot more but you get the picture (also metric system better fyi)

@EpixOnYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@xtdycxtfuv9353 *No*

@charlesbaldo

4 жыл бұрын

Michael De Jesus Probably not so much that he never heard peta but that he never heard that much memory. Peta is a magnitude of 1000 more terabytes that’s a freaking lot of memory. But be assured as soon as it’s available people will be working next on exabyte, then zettabyte and then yottabyte.

@quenmariciouswilliams2771

4 жыл бұрын

Nigel Ying Me still using 40GB hard drives

Well we've got USB3.2 Gen2 being quite common these days.. would love to see you redo this one!

I think a good advantage would be security. You need to use a complete set in order to fully access the data.

@blunderingfool

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like the basis for a spy drama right there.

@Manny73211

2 жыл бұрын

this setup reminds me of torrenting

@blunderingfool

2 жыл бұрын

@@Manny73211 I see you are also familiar with QuickPar.

@josha254

Жыл бұрын

Yeah!!!!

If you were a spy this would be the best way to store data. It seems like you need all 8 drives to get the data, which means you can hide the drives all over the place to keep it from getting stolen.

@linoleum1416

8 жыл бұрын

haha :D geat idea!

@allen-simpson

8 жыл бұрын

+thesuicidefox Something something "dark lord", something something "horcrux".

@Koloarie

8 жыл бұрын

+thesuicidefox Brilliant

@DottorMatrix

8 жыл бұрын

+thesuicidefox yeah like Dragon Ball!!

@AndroidDevil

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah like Prison Break last season

IF only everyone could make videos like this dude. Efficient informative narration, and no stupid music. 5 stars.

I remember back in the day someone plugged in 4 iPod Shuffles to a USB hub and RAIDed them. Because science

@aretard7995

5 жыл бұрын

this comment deserves a heart (

@gamertygonl

4 жыл бұрын

Link?

@iknowdawae893

3 жыл бұрын

DankPods: *runs Win10 from an iPod HDD

@teh_supar_hackr

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a dank pods video

@miki200_9

3 жыл бұрын

I actually did that like 2 months ago, cause i found 4 iPod Shuffles in a box in my basement, and had nothing else to do with them.

8 USB Flash Drives, 1 USB 2.0 Hub. That Bottleneck....

@TheFredu13

8 жыл бұрын

yes useless video...

@mateosantos4980

8 жыл бұрын

haha thats what i was thinking

@AluminumHaste

8 жыл бұрын

What? Do you know know how NAND storage works?

@mew905

8 жыл бұрын

thats what i was thinking... like last i heard flash storage doesnt suffer from fragmentation problems. while i understand the ops concern, the point is if it can even be done

@cardboardsnail

8 жыл бұрын

Fragmentation doesn't affect NAND-based storage mediums. There are no physical read heads like there are on HDDs.

it is July 2016, time to try out this on USB3.0

@tilextalex4652

8 жыл бұрын

There are quite some USB 3.0 flash drives. But only those, which are actually labeld USB 3.0. You were probably thinking about those, which were labeld 2.0, hu? Well, yeah they will probably not be really any better than labeled. Usually they do not even reach the limit of USB 2.0 speed.

@fufferfish

7 жыл бұрын

Fuck him up Tilex

@johnsnow2809

7 жыл бұрын

Jesus Luke. You seem pretty fucking angry about some USB sticks, dude. You should really find better things to do with your time. I'd say you should probably get off of the internet and spend some time with friends and family, but you probably don't have too many that actually enjoy being around you. Maybe try to calm it down with calling everyone faggots and just try being nice to people?

@johnsnow2809

7 жыл бұрын

Luke McKee Luke, I wasn't doubting that you have the right to be angry. I said that you should probably calm down. Is it really worth it to live your life like this? Angry all the time at things that legitimately have no effect on your life? Also, do you know what schizophrenia is Luke? You display a lot of the signs. "Pedophilia has been normalized and it's a crime to dissent against Australian government facilitated (illegally issued passport no dna test) Australian government state media praised gay dads baby rape human trafficking." I don't know who taught you how to construct sentences or thoughts for that matter, but they should be gay dad baby rape human trafficked because that is an affront to the very concept of human language.

@DJW1959Aus

7 жыл бұрын

You are right he is crazy!

"if you're watching this years in the future" I am, as a matter of fact

@codyedwards4777

5 жыл бұрын

👍🏻

@user-se8nh3yu1e

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, very cool.

@laz7354

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone is

@PWARHOLM

4 жыл бұрын

same.

@leewan8873

3 жыл бұрын

nobody watched this at present

The problem I'm running into is that you can only convert "Dynamic" or "Non Removable" drives as a raid in windows. It won't let you setup flash memory as raid. How did you get around this?

I'm one of those guys watching the video in the future and my first thought was plausible advantage that I believe you missed. If you use 2x flash drives in RAID 0, it adds a layer of security, meaning they both have to be present in order to access the files. This could be further increased by using encryption.

The reason why you get the bottleneck for read speed with 8 drives is due to there being one USB connection, whereas on your monitor it was 2 which was pushed over a higher bandwidth bus.

Revisiting these old videos are fun. I was in middle school back in 2014-15. I had a galaxy s5 & i discovered your channel + many others like eevlog , techmoan . I used to watch photonicinduction & colinfurze in 2010-11 era on my pc. Back then i was in primary school & my friends have never even heard of youtube at that time. No one had a pc.

This was really cool to see. It would be neat to see a USB 3.0/3.1 implementation of this just using some faster buses and drives =) Thanks for throwing this together.

2015....doing it with USB 2.0... :/ Sure a lot of people still use 2.0...but seriously, 3.0 has a massive speed boost...that would've been interesting to see.

@Fire-in-the-sky

8 жыл бұрын

+Jeon Soo Neo is it really? ive only noticed double or triple the speed. from 20 to 60. not that big of a diffrence.

@studioLCTRL

8 жыл бұрын

+Juan Alejos That's pretty important when you deal with a lot of large files like I tend to do. And double or triple the speeds is not something to just brush off as "not that big of a difference."

@Fire-in-the-sky

8 жыл бұрын

it is when it at the very end of transferring files the speed goes into the kilobytes, especially with big files. and i use a laptop from this year using an ssd.

@studioLCTRL

8 жыл бұрын

Juan Alejos That doesn't happen with me... That is probably a bottleneck from something else my friend... With USB 3.0 from 2.0 it's a difference of making an emergency backup for a project that accidently got deleted from a cloud server but is suspended on my laptop within 5 minutes or probably close to an hour... Also SSDs are only good for reading and writing small files very quickly, not so much for large files.

@studioLCTRL

8 жыл бұрын

that's a bit over-exaggerated but it was at least before we had to leave the class period once we realized.

Interesting video and subject, but you labeled 256GB as 256MB numerous times, including when doing the eBay search. No hate, I just thought that was a bit humorous.

@The8BitGuy

9 жыл бұрын

Eh... you'd be surprised how many times I had to go back and correct that after shooting a scene or creating a slide. I thought I caught all of that.

@satin227

9 жыл бұрын

The iBookGuy is there a windows equivalent to this would the raided flash drives even work on a PC

@themrenerd7384

9 жыл бұрын

The iBookGuy it says 256 MB at 4:26

@TheWolfinator123

9 жыл бұрын

The iBookGuy 1TB is 1024GiB GibiBytes... not gigabytes. 1TB is a 1000GigaBytes!

@themrenerd7384

9 жыл бұрын

TheWolfinator WTF is gibibytes? i've read about it on wikipedia but i still don't know what it is.

Isn't this fundamentally flawed because the bandwidth is one usb port since you're using a hub?

@17fourU

5 жыл бұрын

Probably so, since the 8 port hub may have some latency??

@m0nkeypantz

4 жыл бұрын

That’s not how USB hubs work

@gertsy2000

4 жыл бұрын

@@m0nkeypantz Naoki Lucas is correct, and that's exactly how a USB hub works. As 8-Bit guy says; "the limiting factor is going to be the USB 2.0 Bus I use to connect it with." That's the conceptual 'speed of light' in this equation. And that's the limit he clearly hits on the 4th drive, which will be around the 50MB/s throughput real world. Separate USB Buses for 8 drives would have given him around 400MB/s.

@flashforensics

4 жыл бұрын

@@gertsy2000 nope...... becasue ultimately it comes back to the fabric INSIDE the computer....

@aubudjdhueh4501

4 жыл бұрын

@@flashforensics what? Usb 2.0 has a fixed speed which can't be changed, so what are you talking about

Massive thank-you for this, used a bunch of spare USBs to create an emergency Time Machine backup for a failing hard drive

@rickytorres9089

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed USBs are the last places you want to resort to but if you are ALREADY sitting on them, it's SHTF or even if hyper inflation gets so bad that you gotta resort to using USBs instead of even used disks. I say a person gotta do what they gotta do right? :)

No wonder more then 3 sticks did not make it faster, the USB 2 is bottlenecking. You need at least USB 3 to get an OK result. Asus has a motherboard with USB 3.1 that has a speed of 10 Mbit/s. That would be a lot more interesting.

@xphreakyphilx

9 жыл бұрын

I think you mean 10 Gbps.

@readyrepairs

9 жыл бұрын

i doubt that the computers usb 2.0 itself was bottle necking - id imagine it was because they were all connected to the same port - he should have gotten low profile usb sticks that can be put directly into a computers usb ports and put 4 or 5 of them in separate usb ports.

@radioloops

9 жыл бұрын

readyrepairs Of course the single USB port was the bottleneck since it has a maximum capacity it can transfer in a certain time. Using multiple ports works around that issue.

@theusernameyou

9 жыл бұрын

readyrepairs Then he would have a retarded setup that's still slower than a modern SSD, but yes, USB2 wasn't the bottleneck, the single port was.

@cuddles6938

9 жыл бұрын

readyrepairs Unfortunately my board the USB ports inside the computer LOOK a lot different then USB. It has a Cable with a USB on one end and a BLUE square plug on the other end that goes over PINS on the motherboard. Unless you want to have extra Cables inside your PC case and do no have the space for it. Get out those zip ties.

Using a hub means that the USB's would saturate the USB bus when accessing more that one USB at a time so why even bother when the results are predetermined. 8 usb drives in raid 1 still needs another 8 for full redundancy, Mechanical hard drives actually have a longer lifespan than SSDs and USBs which are also Solid State Drives. I beg you people to fact check before you take this as Gospel. I understand that most MAC users aren't very tech savvy, granted if you're watching this you're at least trying to be so kudos. But like i stated above, most of the points he made aren't correct and the spread of misinformation can only lead to bad things, the anti-vaxer campaign for example. 

@MrEmub

9 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to point that out!

@SyukriLajin

9 жыл бұрын

true. putting 10 usb devices on a single port is dumb. the idea itself can be useful, but the way he tested it is crap. i bet the result would be much better if he used 2 usb 3.0 ports with 2/4 drives on each port.

@SyukriLajin

9 жыл бұрын

N 'So no. the main limiting factor here is the fact that a single usb port is not made to support writing/reading to/from 10 devices at once. adds up to the fact that the usb hub probably doesn't have a fast enough microcontroller for load balancing the transfer to all 10 devices at once. that is without even considering the processing required to be done by the cpu. 10 drives on a single port is dumb, even when you are running on usb 3.0.

@SyukriLajin

9 жыл бұрын

hey, i'm not insulted anybody. his idea is great, and i'm sure he's a great guy. but his *method* of testing it by putting 10 drives on a single port _is_ dumb. i don't agree that usb 2.0 is the limiting factor. the limiting factor is putting so many devices into a single port and expecting all of the devices to receive equal bandwidth at the same time. you don't see people using 10 port pcie splitter, do you?

@MrEmub

9 жыл бұрын

My main issue was the graph, the read times capped out after about the 4th disk I think, which I suspect was not a raid 0 issue rather it was due to the single USB port. For example my motherboard has 10x 3.0 USB ports at the rear. To demonstrate the USB raid 0 concept, I would connect 10 devices 1 into each port.

This video really needs a 2020 version!!

@raider_cz1946

3 жыл бұрын

or 2021

@iloveramen

3 жыл бұрын

@@raider_cz1946 or 2026

@MiXiaoAi

3 жыл бұрын

@@iloveramen or 2077

@acefox1

3 жыл бұрын

Add me to the list of people asking for a 2021 version of this video. Awesome idea!

use these nuts in a raid array

256 mb is a VERY LARGE capacity

@FumikaP

7 жыл бұрын

right, i need 8 of them to fit just one porn video.

@Orashgle

7 жыл бұрын

Kanon Chan i think that would classify as 2 min 8k porn

@NoobaGutt

7 жыл бұрын

Wiggle Playz lovely.

@Orashgle

7 жыл бұрын

Kyle Hershey get out of here

@HeelerHouse

7 жыл бұрын

Wiggle Playz lol are u in 1989?

5:15 Flash drives are more durable/reliable? No. No they're not. Flash memory bits have a limit to the amount of times you can write to them. They are much more limited than HDDs in this regard.

@CozyCatte

8 жыл бұрын

+roidroid Rly ? :o I thought you can write endless on a SSD or USB Stick ^^ Guess I learned something new today, Thanks! :D

@SuffyANX

8 жыл бұрын

+roidroid True, but a full sized modern SSD will be able to write hundreds, or even thousands, of Terabytes before it becomes unusable. If I keep writing to my SSD at the same rate (Which I wont, now that I have everything installed and configured), I'd be looking at writing 2TB a year. assuming a (very bad) write lifespan of 400TB, I'd still be getting 200 years of lifespan. I expect my mechanical hard drive will be dead in around 20 years, assuming I'm very, very kind to it. Some SSDs can write over 1,500TB, so just hold onto that for a thousand years and you may be looking at some issues. Flash thumb drives are a different story, but nobody is going to be expecting a tiny USB thumb drive to be in use for a century or two.

@TrabberShir

8 жыл бұрын

+roidroid He discussed the write cycles in the video at 5:32. If your workload is primarily reading, even usb flash drives are more reliable than spinning platter drives over the long run, so long as you don't insert and remove them frequently (because USB connectors aren't that durable).

@MrBiky

8 жыл бұрын

+NotActuallyBFG That is because SSDs have a firmware that makes them write things on unwritten space, so that any particular zone won't be used more than another. USB thumbdrives don't have that firmware and data is written mostly on the "beginning of the memory space", thus that being the first part to be affected. Yes, SSDs are more durable by their fabrication, but their firmware helps even further, unlike thumbdrives which lacks both features.

@SuffyANX

8 жыл бұрын

MrBiky I didn't actually know the firmware played such a role. TIL. Makes sense, though. If you've only got a 8GB capacity, you probably aren't going to be writing enough to need to bother spreading the write cycles across the whole drive, since it will last a long time anyway.

I was actually thinking about building a custom NAS this way using a Raspberry Pi and connecting multiple SD cards in RAID. Definitely glad I saw this video. Kinda reaffirms what I was contemplating.

the reason the gains drop off so drastically after the second and third drives and then taper off is because that is where you are hitting the limit of the usb bus

RAID 0 and it's risks should be fully explained before suggesting other people do this .

@chazbreese8106

8 жыл бұрын

+SlothSlow That was to be my post - good thing I scanned first. ++thumb!

@apocalapsus

8 жыл бұрын

+aguyandhiscomputer you're right, good thing we can configure a better arrange. From Apple's support page: RAID sets can be combined in a variety of ways to increase their usefulness. For example, you can create a RAID 10 set by combining a mirrored RAID and a striped RAID. This would allow you to combine the fast disk access of a striped RAID set (RAID 0) with the data protection features of a mirrored RAID set (RAID 1).

@apocalapsus

8 жыл бұрын

+aguyandhiscomputer you're right, good thing we can configure a better arrange. From Apple's support page: RAID sets can be combined in a variety of ways to increase their usefulness. For example, you can create a RAID 10 set by combining a mirrored RAID and a striped RAID. This would allow you to combine the fast disk access of a striped RAID set (RAID 0) with the data protection features of a mirrored RAID set (RAID 1).

@Gnomefro

8 жыл бұрын

+chuckSaldana RAID pretty much never becomes an acceptable solution for data storage no matter which version you choose though. The moment you add redundancy on a large array of large disks you'll find that your system is spending almost all its time resyncing. More modern solutions like xfs are infinitely better if you want a local mass storage solution.

@Dennis19901

8 жыл бұрын

+Gnomefro That's not how Raid1 works. Most, if not all, huge data storages use either raid1 or 5. Even servers are set up in a way that they mimic raid 1 or 5.

It would be interesting to do this same experiment but with USB 3.0 devices and ports instead of 2.0

@hattrickster33

8 жыл бұрын

Type C is where it's at!

@gnarly0531

8 жыл бұрын

and a separate port for each drive (as in not on a hub)

@dot_boi

8 жыл бұрын

someone has to do this (not me lol I dont have a usb 3 machine yet)

@TheXarus

8 жыл бұрын

Nothing is wrong with a hub. It won't slow anything down

@gnarly0531

8 жыл бұрын

TheXarus A hub can have an effect on speed, take a look at your USB 3.0 connections for your case there is a cable for each port rather than a single run to a hub.

I love the technical approach, with or without the practical application 👍

If you buy high capacity usb flash drives from ebay, you are making a big mistake.

Your two flash drive test had the bandwidth of 2 usb ports. Your 8 stick array is only using 1 port..so it's gonna be slow

@mrapter7

9 жыл бұрын

No I get the point, and the point is, yes it will work and it's in raid, it's something I would do just for fun as well. But practically, it makes no sense as after 2 or 3 sticks the speed isn't increasing. Which is sort of the point of a raid 0 setup. Otherwise, sure a big flash drive with 256gb of space is pretty cool

@ChumpLord

8 жыл бұрын

Luke Brosious spot on, video makes no sense

@mrapter7

8 жыл бұрын

Chump Lord I mean it's a cool experiment, a nice video of something random, but no practical use

@kefka900

8 жыл бұрын

+Luke Brosious I agree with what your getting at, but the 2 ports on the side of the monitor are still technically a hub. (only 1 usb cable goes down to the actual computer).

@photoallergic

8 жыл бұрын

+Luke Brosious Presumably those 2 ports on the Laptop are internally connected to a single USB hub, so it won't make a difference. Typically there is one USB hub for all USB ports on one side of a laptop.

USB drives are NOT more reliable, especially if you're buying the cheapest ones.

@JaySee5

9 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget 5:12 He says both reliable and durable.

@CanIHasThisName

9 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget I can personally confirm that flash drives are not more durable, unless you're buying bulletproof space flash drive, which is also going to be much more xpensive.

@CanIHasThisName

9 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget I can't imagine what you'd have to do in order to drop a running drive o_O Seriously. And dropping the drive is you being clumsy, not the HW working as intended. On pretty much any cheap USB drive, the connectors will wear out within months, rendering the storage inaccessible and useless.

@CanIHasThisName

9 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget Regular data transfer/storage/backup is one thing. This video is playing with RAID setups and means of permanent data storage, which is a different matter entirely. Personally, I don't even use extarnal HDDs. If it doesn't fit on a 32GB stick, it's not something I want to carry around anyways and most things are best backed-up in a cloud storage, where the chances of data loss are minimal. I simply wouldn't put a bunch of flash drives into RAID and call it a system storage.

@cuddles6938

9 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget This is why you get drives with shock protection that lock everything.

Hello I am writing this from the year 2054. There has been a nuclear war, so we're all back to using VIC 20's again. Cheers.

@user-gr5do8nk7e

6 жыл бұрын

nice !Is fuzix all the rage ?

@nospam1601

5 жыл бұрын

Too bad an idiot like you survived.

@tinkmarshino

5 жыл бұрын

@4 Touchdowns Al Bundy they build 'em to last back then!

@tinkmarshino

5 жыл бұрын

@Dark Cat yeah everyone got radiation treatments....

@BrianKemian

5 жыл бұрын

That's great! I just got a vic 20. It's for sale on ebay www.ebay.com/itm/223213848573

Pretty useful idea for external, expandable memory for a gaming console

There is a significant bottleneck in the hub. Due to the nature of a serial connection, only one device on the hub can be written to/read from at a time. Typically the USB ports on a Motherboard are all on separate channels (there are frequently exceptions for front panels sharing channels). Each separate channel can be accessed independently, creating parallel throughput. However true parallel throughput isn't going to happen with that 10 port hub as the computer can only communicate with one device at a time. The communication is gay enough that 2 drives is noticeable, but that is why it doesn't scale.

@biolinkstudios

7 жыл бұрын

You need a Powered hub or USB type c

@iwontliveinfear

7 жыл бұрын

+MetricForce They really need to change the name. I had to look up USB3.1/Type C because I'm a bit behind on my tech briefs, but 3.1/type c isn't serial it is parallel. If the standard allows for communication over pins 2+3, 6+7, and 10+11 at the same time, it could effectively access 3 drives with the speed that USB3.0 access two. I was also incorrect in my original post as to why there is a noticeable speed jump between two drives and not three or more. I had forgotten my rant about USB3.0 and how it should be renamed. USB stands for Universal Serial Bus. The 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0 standards as well as type a and b cabling were all serial. I guess we reached the limit of data that could be transmitted by a serial bus. USB 3.0 is a two serial busses in parallel, thus it is parallel, not serial. USB 3.1 uses three busses in parallel. Okay, so it can handle data differently then a traditional parallel bus. Where old school parallel busses transmitted bytes of data one byte at a time down 8, 16, or 32, data lanes each bit had its own lane. This is different then how data is handled with USB 3.0 and 3.1 where up to two (three for 3.1) bytes can be transmitted at a time along separate serial lanes. I propose rebranding USB 3.0 and 3.1 to The High-speed Parallel Bus.

@iwontliveinfear

7 жыл бұрын

+Skimba that's what I'm saying. Each USB port on a motherboard is either its own data channel, or shared with just the one adjacent (almost always vertically) port. So all the drives on the hub are using the same serial connection making accessing all the drives at once impossible. Even with USB3.1 you have at most 3 serial data channels per port. So that is 3 drives per 3.1 port that can be accessed simultaneously. Thunderbolt may actually make USB storage obsolete anyhow, returning the USB port back to just being for low bandwidth demand devices like game controllers and...well with printers being networked and wireless, I guess just game controllers.

@jessiejanson1528

7 жыл бұрын

the other thing your missing is that in this case the individual drives are slower then the connection itself so even though its through the same connection its still not as fast. Now maybe if you have a usb 3.0 hub on a PCI slot with enough connections ... you may get nice results. But then you can probably just use some other storage medium. Maybe at this point in time a raid of a few 128GB SSDs would work better. (though these are not only limited by the Sata interface but also by the chipset itself(forget which buts its either the north or southbridge) and it limits the number of requests. So a older PC(from a year ago, maybe even some new oens from today) will have the number of fetch requests for data limited. So you can transfer a big file at the max speed but if you need lots of little ones you will hit the limit and you wont get the advertised speed(which affects most people). Most SSD makers do NOT advertise this, samsung does include some software so you can tell you arnt getting the max speed(nice of them) but the others you are mostly in the dark. last i checked this info is fairly buried but if you have an idea what you are looking for im sure you can find it.

@mrsleep0000

7 жыл бұрын

Even without the bottleneck of the hub, raiding flash memory degrades the performance.

"USB drives are far more durable [than a spinning-disk hard drive]" - wrong! While you can bash them around and they'll be fine, USB drives have a super high failure rate and won't last long at all if you're writing to them as often as a regular hard drive.

@christopherphoenix7421

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking as I watched this vid! It's funny little experiment but not particularly practical. Thumb drives are intended to survive the kind of use a computer hard disk or SSD is intended for.

@youget2

7 жыл бұрын

but if one of the flash drives break, replace it (cheap) and let raid restore the lost data.

@youtubkeeper

7 жыл бұрын

You'll be replacing them often, which will cost a lot more, in the long run, than just using an SSD in the first place.

@markxxx21

7 жыл бұрын

You can get a 8TB hard drive for $199.00 now.

@patsyl8935

7 жыл бұрын

link plz

I've watched this video probably once a year since it came out if not more, the price of storage is really going down considering I only paid about 100 bucks for a 6TB external hard drive, although internal hard drives seem to be more expensive for some weird reason and 1TB drives are still similarly priced, however doubling to 2TB costs very little more

@jamiecullen9075

2 жыл бұрын

Funny how less than 10 years later from this video 1TB is Minimum for many pcs and laptops and large TB drives are so much more cheaper

lmao what a madlad idea PLEASE do this again sometime, especially over a usb 3.2 gen. 2 hub or something with a higher limit than the usb 2 or 3 people normally use

*Please do this on USB 3.0 or 3.1*

@437H3R1U5

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJiim9t9qrO3edI.html

@awesomeguy1804

5 жыл бұрын

usb 3 and usb 3.1 is the same thing unless you get the gen 2 version

@mydogbuddy07

5 жыл бұрын

SSD's have become so cheap at this point, that it's basically become pointless to do this (unless you want to do it for fun or something) at 120GB, buying just 2 usb drives would make it much more expensive (and much slower) and once you get to the 240GB size and larger, the SSD is actually cheaper than the usb drives lol. You would probably be better off just buying a sata ssd and an external enclosure for it and using that, would be faster and cheaper lol

@mitsostechtips9047

5 жыл бұрын

Just think how much years old this video is

@sarahbingham1133

5 жыл бұрын

*3.1 Gen 1 or 3.1 Gen 2 USB doesn’t want to confuse us!

That Black/White MacBook has got me itching to hack together one myself! Looks awesome!

@dylanb4289

9 жыл бұрын

I think I am going to build one after seeing this video. So cool...

the amount of times you mistook 256 gb for 256 MB makes me sweat

“If you’re watching this years in the future” damn he got me

This video got featured on Linus Tech Tips's Nvidia Flash drive SLI Video. Good job

If you do that on an usb 3.0 hub the speed chart will be better

@matthewtarbard2288

9 жыл бұрын

... provided the drives themselves were also USB 3.0

@DanielBatistaDJTech

9 жыл бұрын

Matthew Tarbard No, even with the drives being 2.0 the bottleneck on the graph is the hub communication speed between it and the mac

@macg86

9 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's true. Also, if you put a couple of usb 3.0 drives in Raid 0, the speed should be pretty substantial I've tried to create a Raid 0 with 2 32GB Corsair USB 3.0 Drives and the read speed was over 150mb/s.)_

@SoapinTrucker

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Batista So if I wanted to use 3 Flash Drives, using ONBOARD usb ports is better than using a separate hub for them? (Eliminates hub communicating with motherboard slow down/bottleneck, correct?)

@DanielBatistaDJTech

9 жыл бұрын

Mike Tayon Yes, if you achieve the USB 3.0 5 Gbit/s (625 MB/s) bottleneck on the hub with many drives, yes, it is better, but if you not over that speed with just few drives on a USB 3.0 HUB is the same

Here we are in the future, where the real drives are closer to the price of the fake capacity drives, but with USB 3.1. Nice!

@Markus-8Muireg

2 жыл бұрын

When the prices get so low that you can't decide if this is legit or a scam.

Great video! Great public speaker and teacher! Great logic and format! Very thourough!

Very interesting experiment for a video. You're definitely being limited by the USB 2.0 bus, which is why the speeds dropped off. Hopping up to a USB 3.0 bus/hub should drastically affect that chart. I was also a bit confused when you said if you wanted to do a redundancy Raid, you'd only need another 128gb drive? If you're setting up a 1024GB Raid, you'd still need to cover that 1024 with backup drives or else you're not getting a full redundant copy. Maybe I'm missing what you were implying with that. You could, however, in theory, set up 4 256gb as the backup or whatever. Or even have a 1tb hard drive. Potentially.

@harmvanb3001

9 жыл бұрын

Thats what Raid 5 is for. It splits everything over all drives but you loose the capacity of the last drive. So in this example he would have 8 128gb drive and a 9th for he redudancy. You would only have 1024gb of usable space but if any 1 of the drives fail, you can replace it with a new one and rebuild the array without data loss.

@EposVox

9 жыл бұрын

Harm van Brussel I guess with my limited knowledge of raid arrays, I'm having trouble imagining how that would work properly. How does it know what data would be on the failed drive? Any one of them can fail, and it can't have all the data on the last drive without being the full terabyte. Seems like random chance, but I'm missing something.

@harmvanb3001

9 жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID It doesnt know which drive had the faulty data. It just knows which data is lost and it can rebuild it based on the data on the other drives. Imagine you have 10 drives in raid 5, so the capacity of 9. Each drive holds 1 unit of data, including the 10th drive. If 1 drive fails, you still have 9 units of data, which was your capacity to begin with. After you replace the broken drive, the raid array rebuilds itself so data is spread evenly again. Im having a hard time finding an easy example.The data is just spread in such a way that if any 1 drive failed, the other drives can rebuild the lost data.

@EposVox

9 жыл бұрын

Harm van Brussel Yeah, I mean, I get that, I'm just looking too literally, I suppose, haha.

@vane00kn

8 жыл бұрын

+Kieyard Actually that's not how it works. All the first bits of all the disks are added up. If the sum is even, the first bit of the redundancy disk is 0, if it's odd it's 1. All the second bits of all the disks are added up. If the sum is even, the first bit of the redundancy disk is 0, if it's odd it's 1. And so on and so forth. disk1 disk2 .... disk n redundancy disk bit1 1 0 1 0 bit2 0 1 1 0 bit3 0 0 1 1 ... ... ... ... ... bitx 1 1 1 1 If any one of the disks fails, you lose the data in it and you pull it out and replace it with a new one. If the sum of all the new first bits (minus the missing one) is even (or odd), and it matches with the redundancy bit, a 0 is placed in the first bit of the new disk. If the sum of all the new first bits (minus the missing one) is even (or odd), and it doesn't match with the redundancy bit, a 1 is placed in the first bit of the new disk. And so on and so forth.

At first I was thinking this is stupid & pointless. But then I thought of a good application: Security. If you were using multiple drives to store sensitive files, you could spread them out to different places and nobody could get all the data from just one drive.

@sbrazenor2

9 жыл бұрын

That was the exact same idea I had Colton. Upon insertion, someone would think the drive was defective, when it would actually just be waiting for its partner drive to be plugged in. If you can also use partition level encryption, that would make it even more secure.

@Dan-TechAndMusic

9 жыл бұрын

But if they have advanced systems they surely could get parts of the data that are stored on that flash drive.

@sbrazenor2

9 жыл бұрын

That's why the encryption would be a good secondary security option. You may not be able to load the data if it's striped, but if it's incomplete and encrypted, it could be even more difficult to get into .

@itzombieguy6642

9 жыл бұрын

SeanFromPVD I think that conceptually you have something here. But this would only be an additional level of security if you had an original copy in one piece somewhere else and only used this method to transport it.. There's no way information that sensitive would be put on 2 or even 8 $5 thumb drives and encrypted without a backup somewhere. Each cheap flash drive drive you add gives you an exponential level of failure but also ads more pieces to the puzzle which does increase security. But it seems too hollywood for me. If you have 8 drives, your 8 times more likely to lose a drive. Just hear me out. This would mean that you would need a copy of the secure data somewhere else 'backed up'. So let's say you have secure data in a vault and want to sneakernet it somewhere. You'd send it with 8 different handlers or shipments to recipient. The problem is... with 8 pieces it becomes 8 times harder to assemble. What if only 7 pieces make it? Just saying, they have many USB flash drives on the market right now that basically self destruct if you try to unlock the encryption. It's just impossible to break into. It's a mathematical limitation. And to ad to that, if you have 8 pieces of your data set puzzle floating around out there and 1 or 2 go missing. Then technically someone could unlock the encryption on a cheap flash drive and maybe get a peak at SOME of the data. I'd say go with the more expensive USB flash drives that self destruct and keep a copy of your protected data under lock and key off network. A cheap clever security solution is always met with an even cheaper but more clever exploit.

@sbrazenor2

9 жыл бұрын

If I was looking to transport a file that was extremely sensitive, like a document that had some extremely sensitive and classified content, I would probably just use steganographic encryption. I would nest the file inside a larger file, with no clear reason to believe that there was even important data there to begin with. People would be able to open the files and look at the content of the files without ever knowing that something was hidden within them. If you wanted to make it easier on yourself, however, you could just e-mail it in an encrypted format. LOL :)

I admire the cable management in the background.

A very clever concept Mr. Bud Roe!

This is soooooooooooooo silly. When you use all 8 drives in 1 hub, which is connected by 1 single cable to your computer, you will obviously not gain any performance boost because you are creating a bottleneck. You would need to connect each USB stick to a separate port directly on the PC, or use a PCI USB controller to get a performance boost.

@Hobbitstomper

8 жыл бұрын

***** You are correct that there is only 1 USB controller inside the PC, but you fail to understand, that the internal USB controller is PCI based or is directly mounted on the motherboard and has therefor enough bandwidth that each port can simultaneously use 5Gbit/s (640MByte/s), while the one from the USB hub can use a maximum of 5Gbit/s combined with all 8 USB stick. Those 8 devices have to use all 1 lane of the USB port, that is why his test showed that after the 2nd device it doesn't get any faster when using the hub, however he had double the speed when he put them directly into separate ports on the PC. I just can't believe that this guy here who did the test is so tech savy, but failed to understand how the bandwidth is split. Simply put, he created a bottleneck, without him realizing it.

@Hobbitstomper

8 жыл бұрын

***** Because each drive has a limited read/write speed which is slower than the max. bandwidth of USB 3.0, only when using more than 2 you are bottlenecking. it. Have a look at the comments. Many people pointed out that this guy made this "silly" mistake of creating a bottleneck with the HUB and just using 1 port.

@Hobbitstomper

8 жыл бұрын

***** If the PC had for example 4 on board USB ports, he could have used 2 sticks in each port with a hub, then he would have seen 8 times the speed.

@Cypeq

8 жыл бұрын

+Hobbit Stomper what would that do ? most laptops still have just one hub internally and two tops, this gives total bandwith of 1gbit which is about equal to old ATA 133 So your usb flash raid is limited to speed of 10 years old HDD.

@Hobbitstomper

8 жыл бұрын

+Cypeq There is nothing you can do. My point was more that the guy from the video was so surprised that the speed didn't get faster after 2 sticks, when in fact he created a bottleneck

Austin Evans 20 years in the future. Look similar and sound alike.

@igorlthn1109

8 жыл бұрын

+Evan Saltare hahahaha

@krass76

8 жыл бұрын

+Evan Saltare with the difference that this guy has absolutely no idea what he is doing. being satisfied with a 10MB/s storage (thats over seven hours to fill it). not realizing that the old usb hub is killing the transfer speeds. using usb 2.0. thinking RAID0 would in any way be "redundant" or "more reliable". thinking that adding another usb drive would make it a "pairity drive". thinking that the low-grade flash of cheap usb drives would in any way be reliable.

@mrigankpandey3813

8 жыл бұрын

+krass76 It was just a fun experiment he was trying Damn lol... Austin has a lot of Production Value in his video and not everyone can invest or wants to invest that much money...This channel is more informative/nostalgia type and it still has an amazing amount of subscribers.So its all good :P

@krass76

8 жыл бұрын

erm experiments are one thing but actually knowing your shit (that you are uploading to youtube btw) should be a given. this video, however, is just pathetic.

@benoitdeschenes4381

8 жыл бұрын

+krass76 While I agree with your opinion on the usb 2.0 hub killing the speed, I though you would like to know that, indeed, adding an additionnal drive to a raid 0 array as a parity drive is a well known raid settup called Raid 5.. so yeah it would be "fault tolerant"..

David, just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your channel. The music you use to close each clip with is great! I began playing keyboards at age 19, on what was at that time a current new Casio keyboard: the sling-tengin’ MT-40. A few months later, the MT-70... fast forward about 3 years, I moved up to a Hammond M-102 (few months after THAT, a Leslie 760). These days it’s a Hammond XK5, running through JBL powered speakers. Casios in general were a great inspiration to me - I imagine they were/are to many people... I think it’s great that you review them...! Best wishes for 2022.

i came here to find out more about flash drive, ended up learning way more than i intended. Specifically the fact you can fake a flash drives capacity, i will be testing all my drives max load now and moving forward thanks to you

This would be a fun experiment to try. Flash drives are even cheaper in price in 2016.

@malbalmer7315

6 жыл бұрын

Classic Gamers HQ what ever

@donkeykongisytpooping3002

6 жыл бұрын

Mal Balmer what’s your problem?

@HappyBeezerStudios

6 жыл бұрын

8 gig drives go for 15. How about a massive 64/72 drive array.

@BillAnt

6 жыл бұрын

The problem is not so much speed anymore with USB 3.x, but the limited write cycles of flash drives... that's why SSD's have special built in controller to map out bad blocks on the fly which a simple flash drive arrays do not have.

@MarkFunderburk

6 жыл бұрын

Bill A And with SSDs so cheap now the isn't much motivation anymore.

so the reason more flash drives yielded the same result of the last was die to the fact that you reached the operational limit of your USB hub. It could not transfer any faster than that. If it were a USB 2.0, then a USB 3.0 would have capped off later. If you had managed to connect them to all there own separate ports on PCIe boards, You might not have capped at all with 8 flash drives. And if you managed to somehow find a way to remove all caps to your transfer speed (not serious/theoretically) then write/read speed would keep cutting in just-about-half everytime you doubled your flashdrives.

dude, how did I never find you. even in 2021 this is still awesome!

"if you are watching this years in the future..." WHY YES...YES I AM... your powers of prediction are (were) AMAZING!

@Dave2gamer

3 жыл бұрын

No I am

@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dave2gamer No I am

@Dave2gamer

3 жыл бұрын

@@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 brug

Get 8 *separate* USB 3.0 ports and use 8 3.0 flash drives in a RAID array, that would be fast as fuck

@youtubkeeper

8 жыл бұрын

SSD is still likely to be cheaper, faster and much more reliable.

@gnramires

7 жыл бұрын

Yup, SSD is essentially this flash drive array, but well engineered and put into a box. It has better reliability, better write speeds, the redundancy is done in a much better way (it's actually more reliable without sacrificing capacity using error-correcting codes), writes are better distributed, etc. It's also about the same cost since you're "buying the flash in bulk". It's a fun experiment though!

@23desdfe345r2fd23f23

7 жыл бұрын

Sorry but you are just wrong here. A really fast SSD will get you read speeds of ~600MB/s, write ~500. A really fast USB3.0 drive can get you read speeds of ~400MB/s, write ~180. Therefore, a striping configuration of 8 would yield read speeds of ~3.2GB/s. over 5x faster. and almost 3x faster write speeds. However the method used in this video wouldn't work because 2 USB sticks would exceed the 6Gbit USB3.0 bandwidth. You would need 8 seperate ports (some computers actually have that now)

@telelaci2

7 жыл бұрын

@23f23: What are you talking about ? An USB 3.0 bus speed is ideally 5 Gbit/sec. You can put 8 or 16 or 100 USB pen on a USB HUB, their speed added up can't be more than 5 GBit/sec, because that the maximum speed of the USB HUB. An ideal 5 Gbit/sec is less than 500MByte/sec in reality. Much less, especially if we are talking about raid. The above USB-pen raid construction is a totally pointless idiocy, from a not so expert expert. A low speed heater device for $320. Not mentioning the probably very high error ratio. Parity drive is not a miracle, it won't fix the quality of a Chinese ebay products. At least 1 pen from the 9 will be faulty in every month.

@23desdfe345r2fd23f23

7 жыл бұрын

@telelaci2 i'm talking about 3.2Gb/s flash drives www.amazon.com/Patriot-128GB-Supersonic-Flash-PEF128GSR2USB/dp/B00SNLGXE0 And i'm talking about independent USB controllers www.amazon.com/Express-SuperSpeed-Adapter-Dedicated-Channels/dp/B00HJZEA2S

You could put your will on it and give each family member a piece. They have to come together to read or watch the will.

@IvansPersonal

7 жыл бұрын

Bruce Park lol

@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive

7 жыл бұрын

Bruce Park Or any other sensitive secretive information. Like the nuclear codes or the Coca-Cola formula.

@mudkip_btw

7 жыл бұрын

Bruce Park Minus one, ofc. Depending on the RAID type you can recover when one or two drives isn't working (or present for that matter)

@nachtkind46

7 жыл бұрын

but we all know the nuke codes are stored on 8inch floppies. however, the formula for the liquor Chartreuse is broken up into 3 and only known by 3 monks. each monk with just 1 piece of the formula.

@BertGrink

6 жыл бұрын

Randy yeah that's true, mirrored drives - AKA RAID1 - do have the ability to rebuild a missing drive completely.

Nice coverage on all those details, well done!

As we all know, the problem with the setup is the hub… USB3.x specs are released now, making the 4 or 8 drives in RAID way more efficient and effective an array than yesteryear

@jumpieva

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, to the point of actual viability. although i wouldn't serve customers in a cloud setup on it probably :D

USB thumb drives are not designed for prolonged read/writes as they have poor heat dissipation. This really isn't a good idea for redundancy either as you will spend a lot of time figuring out which of the little bastards has failed. The only way this works is when the drives are high quality major brand and you are connecting on a system with multiple high speed busses each with their own full bandwidth... If you want to do this on the cheap just chain a bunch of smaller capacity SSD drives together

@snail8720

7 жыл бұрын

meaningful response 0.0

@KL-bi2un

7 жыл бұрын

+1. I have found USB 3 drives to be very unreliable in large write scenarios with early drive failure due to overheating. I have a 64gb drive that I write a large backup file at one time. I've had more than one of the flash drives go dead. It has come to the point that I use an external usb portable hard drive and it's clear that the chips are overheating / frying the chipset. External hard drives easily handle the write load. Also, I am using name brand drives that are supposed to be quality. I have not tested the new external usb ssd flash drives as the ssd should be capable of sustained writes.

@user-po6hn9id1t

7 жыл бұрын

case modification

@greenaum

6 жыл бұрын

It's nothing to do with heat dissipation. There's a lot of half-knowledge on the Internet from people who got their knowledge from a magazine, or write for technical websites with information they got off other technical websites. Or worse, commentors learning off other commentors. So stuff gets conflated and confused. As far as redundancy goes, the point of RAID is that it can cope with a drive failure, and will tell you which one needs replacing. That is, in the error-correcting modes. RAID 0 doesn't, but that's a reliability risk anyway, would be a nightmare to chance anything important to a RAID-0 array made of USB sticks! But RAID 5 or above, or even RAID 1, inefficient as it is, can cope with a drive failing, that's why they were invented.

@averythecatto

6 жыл бұрын

If you think about it, USB flash drives are just cheap low-capacity SSDs.

you might want to try this test again using a better USB hub, I have two of those USB hubs you used in this video and they are pretty TERRIBLE. Maybe using a powered USB hub would be more effective. The only reason I got two of those USB hubs is because when I got the first one, I tried to charge my phones with it and after I plugged in two phones, both stopped charging. A couple of my phones wouldn't charge at all thru that hub.

@The8BitGuy

9 жыл бұрын

This is a powered hub I was showing. (although I may not have shown it with the power cord attached, I did use the power cord during testing). However, that might explain the differences I saw between my initial test and the larger scale test. I also thought it might have been a difference in the brand of flash drives I was using.

@asdfasdf4345artsdfg

9 жыл бұрын

I have a similar one, except mine is a different color and isn't illuminated. As was already said, this IS a powered hub; however, it's not USB 3.0 (at least, mine isn't), so that ought to bring the speeds down. I did do this once before with two flash drives (w/o a hub), and got similar read/write speeds to those of a mechanical hard drive.

@cuddles6938

9 жыл бұрын

maccollectorZ (Commenting Account) Yes, a USB 3.0 HUB is definately going to be FASTER between the HUB and the PC even if your using USB 2.0 Flash Drives. It helps SPEED UP the highway between the HUB and the Computer. And using a USB 3.0 HUB with USB 3.0 Certified Flash Drives will probably increase those speeds more but by how much compared to using USB 2.0 Flash Drives would be something for him to test out in future videos.

@asdfasdf4345artsdfg

9 жыл бұрын

Some business people have two phones because they need two numbers; it's sort of like having two email accounts. As for some kid having two phones, that's pointless.

@asdfasdf4345artsdfg

9 жыл бұрын

Simon WoodburyForget Maybe the two phones thing is an old practice? IDK. I'd imagine that some people want to keep their numbers on two separate phones, but then again, it's easier to not have to do that, today. When a phone was JUST a phone, people would have one for each number. I think my dad used to have 2-3 cell phones at a time. I'm not a phone person, so I guess I came to conclusions too quickly.

do a revision of this one soon.. great one. and you took a conclusion that really made sense

Im no mechanical hard drive fanboy but i have a old hard drive from 1998 its loud it ticks but it still works and I only use it though for storing files and videos.

@Tom2404

5 жыл бұрын

I have two 120MB Laptop drives. But the smallest working PC hard drive I have is 10,4GB or something like this. I like the noise it makes, it was in the first PC I ever had.

@Tom2404

5 жыл бұрын

@@TrashWoodBand Programs that fit on a floppy disk...

Today I have finally learned what RAID is and how it works, despite knowing that it is a thing that exists for almost a decade.

@Radi0he4d1

9 жыл бұрын

***** Google is great at finding people with the same interests and then showing them each other's comments.

@theusernameyou

9 жыл бұрын

No you didn't since he only covered RAID 0 and RAID 5/

The reason for diminishing returns is the USB 2.0 slot lol

It's neat going back to old videos of now-established KZreadrs and seeing just how much they've changed their delivery, their show, and etc.

3:08 Very Large Capacity!

@dragonfire1256

3 жыл бұрын

yea he showed 256gb as 256mb outer times to

@AlexTechYT

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonfire1256 maybe he couldnt find any because nobody makes them that small size!

What a laugh!!! It's a great "out of the box" thought experiment :-)

We just figured out firewire was outdated in 2015?

@technologyproductions-ye3px

8 жыл бұрын

fire wire is more powerful then usb 2.0 but its dead

@0zfer

8 жыл бұрын

its not more powerful then usb 3.0 the modern standard of everything new.

@kalijasin

8 жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt has more bandwidth and throughput than firewire 3200 and USB 3.0.

@0zfer

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason C. and thunderbolt is wildly overpriced and controlled by apple. Not worth it.

@kalijasin

8 жыл бұрын

0zfer Thunderbolt wad developed by Intel not Apple. It was marketed under the name light peak. www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/video-intels-light-peak-running-an-hd-display-while-transferri/

greetings from the future..now everyone is using usb tech with a variety of screen types as their entire computing and entertainment experience. Thank you pioneer.

Using a USB HUB to plug all drives into is so wrong... You will hit the bottleneck of the USB very fast. At least would be interesting with a 3.0 HUB.

@mrgreenjeansgenetics

5 жыл бұрын

A usb switch would be better. Hubs suck altogether

@ChristianHernandez814

5 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. You're basically going over the same channel

@rorrer1433

5 жыл бұрын

That’s why it’s a experiment 😃

@PandemoniumMeltDown

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrgreenjeansgenetics Very good point. Also verify the power consumption of all sticks working "simultaneously"

@mrpike8955

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrgreenjeansgenetics Please show us a "USB Switch".

2:04 No matter which RAID config you use, you always have less than the total amount of disk space available, so you wouldn't get your terabyte with 4x256.

@0x8badf00d

6 жыл бұрын

Except for RAID 0, which isn't really RAID at all, but whatever. Using plain RAID 0 is just plain stupid.

@hhjpegg

Жыл бұрын

this applies to drives without a RAID setup too

watched 11/2016 still an excellent video

@darkdiamond7469

7 жыл бұрын

Same.

What's funny is, I'm watching this 4 almost 5 years into the future.

"large capacity drives" *types in mb instead of gb*

I AM watching this from years in the future and The 8-Bit Guy is still remembered as the greatest President the US ever had. (Apologies if that hasn't happened yet in your time.)

@guyonearth

5 жыл бұрын

He also cured cancer and colonized Mars...you forgot to mention that. Or maybe he hadn't done it yet.

@Hermangoldstein

5 жыл бұрын

Ah yes I remember those days. Historians overwhelmingly agree, his presidency was the golden age of “out of the box thinking”

@plasmaoctopus1728

5 жыл бұрын

Nah screw that, make him more than just the President, he would do better for everyone if he was the King of the Earth!

@darltrash

5 жыл бұрын

@@guyonearth And cured dying and sadness with amazing videos

@TEP923

5 жыл бұрын

bait clicker, guyonearth, you both make great points, but the best was when his great great great great great great granddaughter, zorklon ate the twin towers.

I guess it would be useful for a secure hard storage of data too right? Because if one USB is missing the files won't read correctly, no?

@Embattled5211

7 жыл бұрын

Gaming with Mikey! Exactly.

@afloyd4976

7 жыл бұрын

RAID arrays are neat in that if one drive fails, the missing data is reconstructed using the parity drive. It slows down read times, but you still get data. As soon as you replace the missing drive, there will be a period of reconstructing the missing data on it and read times go down. RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives.

@toportime

7 жыл бұрын

+A Floyd: Not quite, there are sever versions of RAID, some only Mirror, others stripe, some do pairity, some mix it up. If you only stripe, you could be in trouble if one drive fails. FYI RAID has been redacted to mean "Redundant Array of Individual Drives" because you can easily raid massive expensive drives as well.

@npaisarapper

7 жыл бұрын

However, he is using his drives in raid 0, which has no parity.

@Asdayasman

5 жыл бұрын

Well kinda? Assume the chunk size is something small like 4k, so you issue a write of 64k, and each stick gets 4k. For someone to read that file back, they'd need all 8 sticks. If you just had a simple text file though? That's going to fit within one chunk. I'm not super sure on what would happen in this case, but either the file is split into eight pieces and the pieces are padded up to the chunk size, in which case you lose large amounts of storage for small files, or it just puts it in one chunk, in which case you can read it with just the stick that file is on. If you want security, use encryption. I'd much rather someone wasn't sure whether they were looking at random noise or my encrypted diary, and even if they knew it _was_ my encrypted diary, they couldn't feasibly decrypt it without the key, than for someone to have one eighth of the pages from my diary.

This is an interesting idea. I have experimented with this type of thing. What I found to be more efficient, is to get an SSD and a self powered USB SSD adapter. I bought a 1 TB SSD for this. I found this to be so handy and fast for external storage, I bought two more setups like this. What is interesting is to take 2 or 3 SSDs on a USB root HUB with a dedicated USB root hub card. The performance is amazing. I must admit this is a bit expensive. The performance makes up for the cost.

I'm impressed they mount correctly on a totally different system!

256mb flash drive; "large capacity drives..."

@michaelopnv634

8 жыл бұрын

Large capacity... for 1993

@darklinggolem

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Opnv LOL

@mew905

8 жыл бұрын

i remember getting my first dell in 2003 and it came with a 64mb drive, 1gb drives at the time were like $230 (CAD), price history sites show 256mb drives in 2003 to be around $80 (cad)

@michaelopnv634

8 жыл бұрын

Ok, so it's more 2003-ish. also to be technical, USB came out in the mid to late 90, so that makes sense why they cost so much.

@darklinggolem

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Opnv *1989

4:25 - 256 MB for 80$? Hahahaha

@EVRLYNMedia

7 жыл бұрын

lol

@strangejune

7 жыл бұрын

Wow, just noticed that. He must have gotten the stocks from 1990s flash prices.

@mtrmx2621

7 жыл бұрын

i was just about to comment on that

@newgameld2512

7 жыл бұрын

Typo?

@DavRei

7 жыл бұрын

I thought about mistake - 256MB instead of 256GB :D

Interesting Experiment. Thanks!

Thank you for making this video. I actually had an argument over this very same topic. My side was hey if they are the same & multiplied & they can be ran in raid. For some reason my friends didnt think this would quite work the way it should? I even explained the setup just like you hooked it up. Thx again my friend

It'd be interesting if you did this again now as it's two years later from your original upload. USB sticks are very affordable now(even more so compared to 2015) and it'd be interesting to see if there's any notable difference now in terms of longevity, write/read speeds and of course in comparison to mechanical drives. SSD's are obviously not as expensive due to a larger market, though they're still expensive if you're looking for several TB's of storage. For example, the cheapest SSD now which is also the largest available(according to a very popular price comparison site in my country), costs 500 Euro, or roughly 617 USD. You get 2TB for that. You can get 2TB internal storage for 60 Euro, or 74 USD. So for 500 Euro you can get almost 20TB of storage. The price difference is quite large.

A single SSD will run circles around the flash drive array, especially if the flash drives are all connected to a single USB port on the host.

@sebastianramadan8393

5 жыл бұрын

Ahh, there are good SSDs and bad SSDs, just as there are good flash drives and bad flash drives. Some flash drives have 300+MB/sec read/write speed, you know... Some USB flash drives are comparable to some SSDs. ... and then there's the bad quality SSD. I don't think you can prosecute the case that a bad SSD will be faster than a good flash drive... at least, not if you were an early adopter of SSD tech like I was, as back in the day there were SSDs slower than a typical HDD... ... and there still are SSDs that are that slow, btw.

2019 is the perfect time to do this again !

I swear to God this is relevant to me for a usb3 test setup to analyze bulk transfers on a hub via wirehark. So cool.

Why have people disliked this video ? They don't like the guy for no reason ?

@NonnofYobiznes

7 жыл бұрын

He's using a Mac for God's sake! His experiment falls under the category of "I don't know what I'm doing, but if I had a bit more technical knowledge I'm sure I wouldn't be doing this".

@DanaTheInsane

7 жыл бұрын

Because Angry teeners think Windows = Their Penis, they only know how to use one OS and it makes them very insecure.

@MysticBooks

7 жыл бұрын

You do not dislike a guy based on a particular OS he use. Thats not what the video was about. The guy explains exactly what it is on the title of the video. some people just need a reason to dislike if they dont have one they would conjure up one. weird...

@MysticBooks

7 жыл бұрын

people coming here to know about how usbs would work under raid architecture and they dislike the video because he was using mac. :D its funny if you think about it.

@Raven1024

7 жыл бұрын

It's interesting, that's all it needs to be. I don't like mac either and most mac users are obnoxious online, but it is an interesting experiment and that's all it needs to be. There's some interesting applications for a USB raid you could box up and take with you. Not many, but some. For instance my friend needs an 53gig file I have, but I only have two 32GB flash drives on hand...Well I could go buy a 64, but for one quick transfer this would be pretty easy to do to make them into one 64GB drive, on top of that the transfer speed would be faster. Overall though it's just interesting to know that USBs can work well under RAID.

We need an updated video on this!!

5/10/2018 We are still watching bro!

Very cool. Never thought of doing that

Linus Techtip Sebastian has watched this before

This guy sounds like grown up Butters, from south park.

2015: 1TB is a substantial amount of memory. 2021: We Have Technology.

Neat experiment! Thank you!