2015: "Firewire is dead" 2021: I'm still using Firewire 800 for my recording studio. ._.

2 жыл бұрын

just because a person uses it dont make it not dead... i still got a tube TV that used in security systems does that make it current? i got an oldschool VHS LCD portable player does that make it current?

@Moviesxp

2 жыл бұрын

there's a big 2TB hard drive I know that runs on FireWire

@KAMELLTDK

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@indenkellerag8036

2 жыл бұрын

Me buying pc with firewire in 2021

@avigdonable

2 жыл бұрын

My audio interface is FW too.

Untill now I didn’t even know what firewire was

@Bruno_Laion

4 жыл бұрын

For me it was a thing of back to the future 😂

@manuelredgrave8348

4 жыл бұрын

E, me too

@vappyenjoyer24

4 жыл бұрын

Me too A 11 year tech maniac that knows so many things about past, but doesnt know what is a firewire

@zuubu

4 жыл бұрын

@@vappyenjoyer24 wow, what a tech maniac you're

@XMANIAFLYYY

4 жыл бұрын

Until*

Never knew you could daisy chain FireWire like that.

@chunkychuck

4 жыл бұрын

Operational Risk Management that was something they said was possible when USB was introduced but nobody ever did it.

@jmh1189

3 жыл бұрын

Well, maybe you should... Go asses some risks or something orm related.

@thegreyspectre9838

3 жыл бұрын

@@jmh1189 I bet that sounded better in your head eh?

@jmh1189

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegreyspectre9838 nope, sounded exactly as is. Very plain. Typo on assess

@MultimediaLucario

3 жыл бұрын

Is there a way to daisychain USB-C?

The convenience of Firewire's ability to daisy-chain is fantastic. I wish modern tech still had that function to daisy-chain to save space.

@SteelSkin667

2 жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt does daisy-chaining. It was essentially designed to replace FireWire.

@MartinMartin-yi9to

Жыл бұрын

Try that with USB. A-Ha!

i am 20 years old, had my first PC when i was 6. I can't remember using firewire even once in my life.

@tintin3

8 жыл бұрын

same here, im 24.

@freegameLP

8 жыл бұрын

+Tin Tin I'm 16 and I have used it several times, especially for Target Disk mode and Audio Interfaces… So, it's not all the same

@ElectrofizzStudiosCo

8 жыл бұрын

+muh1h1 It was mainly on high end PCs

@tintin3

8 жыл бұрын

***** maybe thats why

@GabrielTheGuitarist

8 жыл бұрын

+muh1h1 I'm 23. I use it everyday. Most higher end Audio Interfaces for recording use Firewire. So it depends on what you use your computer. If you are a gamer or casual web surfer, you won't encounter it. But if you use your computer for commercial use, you'd expect to have a few devices laying around.

I remember back when I was in high school the computer labs teacher told me fire wire was the future and that USB sucked. I told him Eli Whitney and universal parts will win out. We disagree'd. I know nothing about computers, but I know a fair bit about machine design.

@dragons_red

4 жыл бұрын

VCR vs Beta, blu ray vs hdDvd and countless others. It's just a matter of becoming the standard first, and that means market penetration. FW was superior, but that was because Apple was a peripheral heavy system because of their insistence on proprietary design. Extra HD storage mean external. PC world you added all the major data stuff internally, so external was printers, mice, kb and even CD drives could be low data via usb.

@smh9902

4 жыл бұрын

@@dragons_red Thats why you get it right the first time.

@lawrencedoliveiro9104

4 жыл бұрын

Trouble is, Apple held the patents, and they were demanding something like a $1 royalty for every FireWire port. That scared off the vendors, when USB was royalty-free.

@smh9902

4 жыл бұрын

@Ru Sa If you truly must know, I'm a mechanical engineer.

@smh9902

4 жыл бұрын

@Ru Sa Yes, part of the necessary requirements to be a mechanical engineer is to know how mechanical machinery works. In fact, as a mechanical engineer, my job is the design and engineering of machinery. Hence why I know a fair bit about machines.

One nice thing about the "death" of Firewire and the rise to prominence of USB is that a lot of still quite usable Firewire audio gear is getting dumped on the used market as studios upgrade to the latest-and-greatest, which is boon to home studio tinkerers.

@klaasj7808

4 жыл бұрын

yes indeed and they dont know the old firewire equipment, often build in Japan, is superior to their new USB China crap.

@SeventiesBerlin

4 жыл бұрын

@@klaasj7808 not to mention the Made in Germany RME stuff I still use everyday; but Firewire cards are getting rare and very expensive;

@klaasj7808

4 жыл бұрын

@@SeventiesBerlin Digitus has a cheap pci express one.

@SeventiesBerlin

4 жыл бұрын

@@klaasj7808 yes, but the problem is that most Firewire cards don't work with audio interfaces; only cards with Texas Instruments chip work; now I see on ebay Chinese cards with alleged TI chip, I'll give them a try, anyway I don't trust Chinese stuff on ebay, see the fake 512 GB memory cards;

@techbuildspcs

3 жыл бұрын

Amy good names of equipment?

2012: Daisy chaining hard drives 2021: running hard drives in raid

@Raison_d-etre

2 жыл бұрын

RAID was there way before 2012.

@theonecommenter

2 жыл бұрын

@@Raison_d-etre I know

@razi_man

2 жыл бұрын

My mind went to Raid: Shadow Legends immediately after I saw the word "raid".

@theonecommenter

2 жыл бұрын

@@razi_man * pain *

Firewire was awesome for most of the 2000's, as I could connect a laptop to the media centre PC, to quickly transfer all my downloaded mov... I mean Linux ISOs.

Even as a guy who only used Firewire in a Video Productions class 10 years ago, I still have to say; You gave FireWire a respectable farewell. Love you USB but thank you for your pioneering work FW.

@Humaricslastcall

7 жыл бұрын

It's more like FireWire and USB's child.

@ccricers

6 жыл бұрын

Video class was the only reason I bought a Firewire drive. I still had used it for a very long time but now 160GB isn't that much.

I loved the IP-over-firewire feature as well, and used it for high speed networks between workstations. it was a 400Mbps connection in a 100Mbps ethernet world.

@ch4.hayabusa

4 жыл бұрын

ip over usb is a thing. Some external drives are just iscsi servers running ip over usb

@resneptacle

4 жыл бұрын

@@ch4.hayabusa No, they're still just USB mass storage devices as anything else would add bottlenecks, unnecessary protocols and far more required configuration than just a simple USB storage

@ch4.hayabusa

3 жыл бұрын

@@resneptacle I was going by what I saw of a Drobo...

@hugo94608

2 жыл бұрын

And then you have IP over USB... WHY AT THE TIME OF WIFI6 DO YOU USE THAT

@dreagerd8248

2 жыл бұрын

@@hugo94608 speed?

Rewatching this years later and i'm noticing a lot of ham radio gear. I didn't know you were a radio operator

@KokoroKatsura

3 жыл бұрын

a n i m e n i m e

@TechnoByte.

3 жыл бұрын

@@KokoroKatsura Touhou isn't anime

@pilotboy

3 жыл бұрын

yeah i saw marine radio frequency lists!

@lolman123401

3 жыл бұрын

in his UPS mod video he mentions his callsign

@an0nimogmud549

2 жыл бұрын

@d R touhou is a game

Why not keep the (4) FireWire drives and just add USB drives going forward?

@hunterhatcher6874

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Lackey they can’t connect to the other drives so they’re on a different server

@libertarian1637

4 жыл бұрын

Daily Dose of Memes : I have Macs and can connect to FireWire-800, USB-3, and Thunderbolt all at the same time or I can connect FireWire-400, FireWire800, and USB-2 on another Mac all at the same time. You can daisy chain both FireWires and Thunderbolt while also connecting separate USB devices and allow a computer or server to access all connected drives at once.

@hunterhatcher6874

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Lackey yes but his drives or different and have no USB.

@leonardomcgill1459

4 жыл бұрын

Because firewire and usb are totally two different things, one uses analog and digital signals, while the other just uses digital signals, which makes it imposible to connect them in parallel

@themorgenmonstervider9385

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Lackey I know

My printer has fire wire and I would just call it "the printing cable"😂😂

I've never heard of firewire until now and I already miss it

@eulehund99

2 жыл бұрын

same. peer to peer would be very cool and I kinda want to try it.

@Nobbie248

2 жыл бұрын

Fire wire sounds like better tech to me lol

This is still one of my favorite videos on all of KZread. Idk why, it's just a calming and informative video to me.

I thought Firewire died around 2008.

@jani0077

6 жыл бұрын

Firewire is still used in the audio industry, as it is more stable than USB.

@rahb1

5 жыл бұрын

FireWire 400 was able to maintain a constant 400Mbps throughput, whereas USB 2 was only able to attain 480 Mbps BURST rate. So FireWire 400 was still able to transfer larger quantities of data faster than USB 2. FireWire 800 then ruled the roost until the advent of USB 3. In the Mac world, Thunderbolt replaced FireWire as the fast medium of choice.

@sriharshaa3780

5 жыл бұрын

Well, the last MacBook made that supported FireWire was made in 2012, so I would consider that FireWire died then.

@theblackwidower

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but Apple refused to admit it.

@MrXxHunter

5 жыл бұрын

@@rahb1 The thing with Thunderbolt and Firewire is that Thunderbolt is way more versitile in every way. And USB is going the same way unlike Firewire.

Your wire management is beautiful :')

@StevieCooper

5 жыл бұрын

Hassan Jalil I was looking for this comment. This channel and it’s backdrop is a thing of beauty.

@walterbrunswick

4 жыл бұрын

@@StevieCooper Just don't be so TIGHT on wiring! Leave slack! My grandfather was an electrician and used to wire everything very tight, things move, houses, structures move, it's not elegant!

"Is it wall mountable?" "No." "How about now?"

@Ro_Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

*no but I don't have a choice*

I keep getting recommended this over months even after watching this several times *Edit 1:* And I'm back! (6/11/2020) *Edit 2:* It's been a while, but I'm here (8/17/2021)

@Luthiart

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I get tons of recommendations for videos that I've either already watched, or I've previously marked as "Not Interested". It drives me nucking futs!

@trafficracer124

4 жыл бұрын

@@Luthiart did you seriously just swap 2 letters?

Now we have USB 3.1 and it's at 10 Gbps!

@limera1nx

7 жыл бұрын

Now we have Thunderbolt 3 ;)

@blurred8254

7 жыл бұрын

No we don't.

@ariad7452

7 жыл бұрын

If it doesn't, then how does things like the Razer Core exist?

@TylerSteven9

7 жыл бұрын

I'm from the year 2030 and we have USB 6.0 @ 1TB/s

@buttersquids

7 жыл бұрын

Steven Tyler ooh yay!

I love how older standards had some really sweet ideas that seem to be forgotten in todays technology and new standards for no reason. Even MIDI is Daisy Chain capable. It seems that modern standards are made by a different type of people. Not engineers with usability and practical use in mind but rather by marketeers. :/

@vladdx

7 жыл бұрын

It's intentional, this way it forces people to buy usb hubs which means more money for the industry.

@stereorail

7 жыл бұрын

That is correct. Paradigm shifted and now everything is designed by the marketing department for maximum profitability. Engineers' job is to implement their design specifications.

@npiper

7 жыл бұрын

almost right but nooot quite. You were right to "follow the money" but the direction is wrong. The real money is in the devices and usb is almost all done on the processor with a few support components, FireWire on the other hand requires each device to have a chipset with a full network stack, in theory you could do things like sending a command to copy a file from one FireWire drive to another and have the two drives finish the transfer independent of the computer. However all that stuff required a big expensive specialized chipset where USB could get away with even a general purpose microcontroller of the day. FireWire lost because it was expensive and there was a "good enough" alternative. Apple eventually dumped FireWire from the iPod due to the physical size of the chipset and now the only real place you'll find FireWire is in old DV cameras other AV equipment. P.S. there were totally FireWire hubs, maybe 2, for when you needed to plug the 1 FireWire memory stick into your computer.

@TechyBen

7 жыл бұрын

Sounds about right. There are cut down micro controller and micro development boards for USB that don't even have *real* usb support, they just use a tiny chip to bit bash the right usb 1.0 data, and you can pick them up for under $/£5. A firewire equivalent would be much, much more.

@npiper

7 жыл бұрын

TechyBen The real shame is that IEEE1394c never got a chance, Firewire over Ethernet would have been great, imagine if that took off having a computer with 6 ethernet ports on the back.

There’s a LAN party in Norway named after Firewire

@FudgeYeahLinusLAN

3 жыл бұрын

So... what's the name?

@rdmoonie

3 жыл бұрын

@@FudgeYeahLinusLAN FireWire

@Damian-cilr2

3 жыл бұрын

@@rdmoonie But what's the name?

@anormalyoutubechannel7807

3 жыл бұрын

@@Damian-cilr2 firewire

@Ro_Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@anormalyoutubechannel7807 what's the name of the LAN party? (someone please respond with FireWire to complete the daisy chaining lol)

I remember FireWire back when I used to work with the DV format, since that was pretty much exclusively FireWire.

@jarisipilainen3875

4 жыл бұрын

only thing you use it if you not have apple lol

@madmouseinjapan

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Before that you had to spew it in from a VCR all analog. It was quite a revelation when you could just plug up the camera, take control of it from the computer, and watch everything come over in lossless digital.

@nikitakipriyanov7260

4 жыл бұрын

@@madmouseinjapan not lossless. DV is lossy. Think of it as some kind of MJPEG

@madmouseinjapan

4 жыл бұрын

@@nikitakipriyanov7260 You're right but ... well less lossy ... particularly between generations of tape. Analog tape just went off to grey tone with hints of color when you were about five generation in :D

@nikitakipriyanov7260

4 жыл бұрын

@@madmouseinjapan in NTSC, two generations would be more accurately. Never The Same Color. PAL is better. DV also shows signs of tape wear, particularly horizontal stripes, in addition to its own compression artifacts, which aren't quite visible on "photorealistic" video, but quite visible on "CG".

Thanks for the tidbits. Also, this is my first time seeing those cable management wall mounts. Nice.

I'll never forget the horror of walking into an editing booth at an audio visual lab only to find nothing but USB ports, I realised that my afternoon of work became a sleep over of work.

David, it’s so hard not to love everything you do!!! 😀

Keep making videos, I love how organized you are!!!

Well he moved on! R.I.P to all the fallen tech that came and gone! Man I absolutely love this channel

Cant forget the great life it had for professional AV devices.

I’ve learned so much from this channel. Thank you🙂

I am still using an old Thinkpad with onboard firewire mini and my daisychained MOTU firewire soundcards for multitrack and drum recordings on location. Solid as a rock. Kinda feels like my way of keeping Firewire alive and well in the audio production workflow.

My friend use to give me crap for choosing FireWire because they thought USB made more sense but I liked the daisy chaining and the fact that you didn't need to add ports to add new devices.

@AtariBorn

8 жыл бұрын

Subbed

@cpcheats2003

8 жыл бұрын

+AtariBorn Quite interesting how you commented to your self.

@AtariBorn

8 жыл бұрын

+cpcheats2003 OK

@heccshoot

8 жыл бұрын

+cpcheats2003 Hey, it was either that or edit the comment. There's no getting around it.

@AtariBorn

8 жыл бұрын

+Angelo Velasco Yeah. Editing a comment via mobile is a joke.

-Hey look! This thing has it's own sticky sponge, for toolless instalation. -Screw it. -Okay, i'm gonna go then... -I said *SCREW IT!* Seriously, i like your wall racks. It rings so many bells of familliar for me :3

@austinhhollinger

3 жыл бұрын

I laughed a lot harder than I should have it this

Used firewire as a kid, never got to know about the daisychaining though because I never had any devices capable of daisychaining. Great vid, even though I've used it, there was stuff to learn! RIP Firewire!

And it is 2021 and KZread recommends me this video! Great video and I will be checking out the channel!

NEW VID! You just made my day!

And now, a minute of silence for firewire... Why did you look here?! It hasn't been a minute yet!

@js32096

11 ай бұрын

You said, "moment" not "minute"!

@user-uo4ro8jo4i

11 ай бұрын

@@js32096 There, changed it. (:

Why am i being recommended this in 2018. (still a great video! also, your cable management is superb!)

@SpinosaurusStudios_

4 жыл бұрын

super*

I love the fact that thunderbolt 3 is basically firewire reborn... Daisy-chaining, peer to peer, etc.

We will all remember and salute FireWire *sniff* Rest In Peace, comrade...

@leogiri2863

2 жыл бұрын

we shall put it in the "one day i might need it again" box.

I remember having a nice setup for converting VHS to DVD. I had my laptop with a firewire port plugged into an external hard drive plugged into an external DVD burner plugged into a composite to firewire converter plugged into a VCR.

It was only due to the high wattage output of fire wire that allowed the convenience of the “Daisy Chain” format. On a technicality as you showed in your video the USB hub is “amplified”, but with the caveats USB still has to do the task of switching to offer the effect that it is working similar to a daisy chain. Fire wire was phased out because of its in efficient manner of power delivery to send data. All todays modern thunder bolt and USB 3.2 are conceptual redesign of the fire wire architecture with different input connections, and a much higher efficiency at a reduced 80% power usage.

Dude youre the it guy i thought they just exist in films with perfect cable mangement with even wallmounts and stuff. I like the way how clean you have all set up. Definitely a like for you.

I still use FireWire for TargetDiskMode from time to time.

@archlinuxrussian

9 жыл бұрын

Kristofer Smith I wish Linux had something like that :/ though booting from USB into a live environment solves most problems TDM would solve. Still, is awesomely cool!

@kidwithanuke

9 жыл бұрын

***** Not on my 2009 MacBook Pro or any of my PowerBooks.

@mohammadhaikalumarghifari2818

9 жыл бұрын

Kristofer Smith If you want to transfer data from your old MacBook or Powerbook to a newer Mac, use a thunderbolt to FireWire adapter.

@kidwithanuke

9 жыл бұрын

Haikal Ghifari I'm never buying a new Mac. After my 09 17" dies or gets too old I'm going the Thinkpad route.

@mohammadhaikalumarghifari2818

9 жыл бұрын

Kristofer Smith OK

Firewire never caught on with PC makers - that's why many people never knew about it. Mac users, on the other hand, got it early on and enjoyed the benefits. I had Firewire external drives for many years. My very first HD (20 whole MB) had a SCSI port.

@donovan6320

2 жыл бұрын

Apple charged expensive royalties for it, (1$ per port on any given product without factoring the port and circutry itself is expensive) so no one but apple wanted to use it over royalty free USB if they didnt have to.

Big bundles of cables have a charm of their own, in a way. Properly organized, they have an IT-cabinet sort of look to them that screams function-over-form, giving them a professional/commercial feel.

R.I.P 🔥Wire 1994 - 2015 I always used it to connect my duet music device to my MacBook.

You made a slight mistake at 1:31 Windows ME did have native USB mass storage support. It came out after Windows 2000 (not before as depicted on your picture) and had USB mass storage as one of the features carried over to it from Windows 2000 which made it the only Windows 9X OS that includes native USB mass storage support.

as an audio engineer perspective, USB has much higher latency, I can go down to 1ms on my older firewire interface but I have issues running below 30 on my usb interfaces

@Mikebumpful

2 жыл бұрын

You obviously have bad USB interfaces then. Try RME USB audio interfaces.

@searchiemusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mikebumpful you obviously are running only a stereo mix and not 85 tracks of vst's, im not talking about casual listening

Buen vídeo y muy entretenido. Muy pocas veces he visto el puerto Firewire en mi vida. Gracias por el vídeo.

Very clear presentation. You are very neat and organized. :)

firewire isn't dead. a lot of multichannel audio interfaces use firewire.

@panospapadopoulos3909

8 жыл бұрын

+diego scar yeah that sucked much. Damaged Firewire chips on so many audio interfaces just because the were turned on while a pc was running. The hot plug issue was the biggest flaw in firewire audio interfaces.

@kevinclinthorne

8 жыл бұрын

+diego scar True, but most new interfaces are switching to thunderbolt since it shares the same benefits as firewire, with exponentially higher bandwith

@nickguy6820

8 жыл бұрын

+diego scar Let it go, man. I know, it's tough, but FW is dead and gone. I feel your pain, 'cause I have 32 channels of ADAT S-Mux interfaces with Firewire host connectivity. But, like many devices of that era, it has a horribly temperamental DICE chipset that promised a bazillion channels with zero-latency mixing and DSP, super stable internal clocks and bang-on PLL... While in reality, it mostly delivered endless driver headaches and host chipset compatibility issues.

@murphytheturtle8968

7 жыл бұрын

lol@ dunstorm, you don't do real audio.

@murphytheturtle8968

7 жыл бұрын

I love how these idiots, nick and Panos are clueless to what their problems actually were. I suggest learning how to use a computer, Windows drivers problems are not a part of the spec, and specific to windows. I still use a FW400. interface with better pre-s and a to D's than probably everyone in this thread. Holy shit why do people talk

firewire was replaced by thunderbolt. not usb.. i can daisychain with thunderbolt

@Isaac-gh5ku

8 жыл бұрын

What's Thunderbolt? Is it good?

@CompactSandwitch

8 жыл бұрын

+Isaac Adam thunderbolt was started by Intel it's like a second gen mini display port with a lot more capabilities such as data transfer and daisy chaining. It's rated up to 50gbps on thunderbolt 1.0

@9291sam

8 жыл бұрын

+Isaac Adam thunder bolt is a new standard developed by Apple and Intel. It has a whopping 40 gigabit speed look up more on it is awesome

@matsv201

8 жыл бұрын

Actually no. Thunderbolt and Firewire is totaly different types of interfaces. The connector looks kind of similar, but there the similarities end. Firewire is a network interface, and thunderbolt is a systemport. Thunderbolt is also the worst standard ever. They change everything for every new generation. And the interface is just a ripoff of DP, that is turn is a ripoff of HDMI. Using Thunderbolt to connect drives drives is horrible.. don´t even think about it. Also the system is very sensitive to system attack. The only thing you real can connect with any point to a Thunderbolt connector is a screen, and then it also totaly pointless because then a DP works just as good.. well actually better. (there is both daisy chain and hub capability of DP, but few screens support it, on the other hand, even fewer support TB). Worse is that if the screen is infected by a virus.. then you got it on your computer to. TB have total direct system access, there is nothing stoping a virus

@Isaac-gh5ku

8 жыл бұрын

+matsv201 Wow. Then I guess that Firewire and USB 3.0+ are more reliable than Thunderbolt.

There's always an option to buy a second hand HDD with built-in FireWire port (controller) and then simply replace the HDD to brand new one.

@Kennephone

Жыл бұрын

The problem with that is the fact that most enclosure's firmware only supports up to a certain size hard drive.

@adambrzecki

Жыл бұрын

@@Kennephone Oh, I see. It sounds reasonable.

Love this guy, THANKS HOMIE

USB 2.0 doesn't reach 480Mbps no matter how fast the cpu is. It's much closer to 300Mbps. Manufacturers just never got off their lazy bottoms to make it work the way it was designed. Connect any USB 2.0 hard drive to a USB *3.0 port* and it'll be 50% faster.

@kyoudaiken

8 жыл бұрын

"USB 2.0 hard drive to a USB 3.0 port and it'll be 50% faster." Please prove that in a video.

@thany3

8 жыл бұрын

***** Just try it, it's not that hard to do.

@kyoudaiken

8 жыл бұрын

thany3 I don't have any USB 2.0 drive anymore. So I can't.

@deepspacemachines

8 жыл бұрын

I doubt this... USB 3.0 just adds a second channel for data if both the host and the client (and the cable, i suppose) support it. If they don't, it'll strictly adhere to the lowest common standard. So either the manufacturers got up to snuff with the 2.0 implementation in 3.0, or you'll get exactly the same speed as you got on a 2.0 port. I don't have a hard drive handy, but I'll check it out when I get back to my other computer. Edit: It's not that I don't wanna believe you. It's just that we're on the internet, where things like the waterproof iOS update happen.

@thany3

8 жыл бұрын

***** It's just that USB 2.0 has always been prohibitively inefficient. And it was never meant for high-speed mass storage. At the time, that's what Firewire was for, even though it was not as widepread, to say the least. They fixed it with USB 3.0, that *does* deliver on promised bandwidth.

I noticed you have a ham setup. Can you do a video showing all your radio equipment

@AcrOfSpades

9 жыл бұрын

zekefleming1 He already made it, I think its called "tour of home network" or something like that.

@BenTheTechGuy

9 жыл бұрын

AcrOfSpades no, that is his home network, not his radio.

@JDtheEE

9 жыл бұрын

Epic_Gamer_2000 The Best Gamer Ever Below his desk at the begging it shows it. If your a ham, you can spot one easily

RIP Firewire. Long Live Thunderbolt II

I appreciate you being able to "admit", or state clear facts that you don't think too much will be missed with Firewire dying. Even though you clearly enjoy it, and are a huge fan of it's use in your life, you were still able to tell us that USB is probably superior. Good video !

200 USB ports disliked the video

@ChocolateCircus445

7 жыл бұрын

***** no, it was usb because he was supporting firewire and not usb

@user-gb7cl8np3p

6 жыл бұрын

Almost 400

@john4398

5 жыл бұрын

No. Just people who noticed he got a usb 2.0 hub because usb 3.0 is faster than fire wire.

@zashtozaboga

5 жыл бұрын

oOps, 418 USB ports

@rebert_reid

5 жыл бұрын

90000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 USB ports

2029: R.I.P USB, Hello Thunderbolt 3!

@Ruisudesu

3 жыл бұрын

thunderbolt already came out lol

@izakymom

3 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@jameschen8

3 жыл бұрын

Well more like 2020

i remember when i was like 13 and worked tech with my dad for fun, we used firewire all the time. never knew why back then but he loved it and now i can see why :)

Wow what a blast from the past!

Ironically, I'm listening to this video via my RME sound card. It's firewire 400 and works perfectly via thunderbolt.

forget about all these comments suggesting thunderbolt, why don't you buy/build a NAS device?

@Siknik64

8 жыл бұрын

+Nathaniel Beven Maybe he wants his network free for other bandwidth heavy tasks?

@joebob3719

8 жыл бұрын

+Nathaniel Beven Not to mention they make multidisk raid enclosures that support firewire 800. Hell I found one on newegg in less than 5 minutes (ICY DOCK MB662USEB-2S-1 if "the 8 bit guy" is interested). Like scratch the those consumer external drives they sell at best buy and the apple store, and go build your own 6TB monster!

@titanfallsvlogs4898

8 жыл бұрын

+Nathaniel Beven i have a naz drive

@nathanielbeven9052

7 жыл бұрын

Your network doesn't get limited when you use your NAS device , unless utilizing very old 10MB ethernet or wi-fi b. Almost every network device is gigabit and/or wireless N (450Mbs) Hell, i run Photoshop and games off my NAS wirelessly without any problems and when doing so, my network is still response for everyone in my household. Again, i didnt spend "extra", those are the standards, if i did, id have wireless ac and have 1400 Mbs.

@murphytheturtle8968

7 жыл бұрын

forget about the fastest interface to an external device available, listen to me, some fucking idiot, I'll tell you a NAS doesn't use network bandwidth (it does!) And just because your "workload" is so small you can't see how terrible you're setup is, it doesn't mean you should ever give advice.

Same story here. There is nothing really to miss since better alternatives are here and far more are on the way. But oh the memories! Stuck in a USB 1.0 world and then plugging that firewire in and seeing the gigabytes go flying past. I felt like I had shot ahead five generations of technology! For a long time it was really hard to keep a quality USB infrastructure. You might have a fast USB hub but a friend would bring over a slow thumb drive, motherboard only had one 3.0 slot, loads of cheap underpowered stuff on the market. It just seemed that as long as you avoided USB and stayed in the firewire world, everything just screamed along with no problem.

You're a delight on youtube mate.

Who the hell connects 127 devices to one usb port? No one....

@tetsujin_144

6 жыл бұрын

To one USB *bus*, maybe... Inside the PC, multiple USB ports are frequently part of the same bus. They could be root ports on the same USB controller, or they could be connected to hub that's built into the PC. My laptop has 9 USB devices built-in, on the bus, even when nothing else is connected to it. My keyboard has a hub in it, so it's actually two devices. Some of my USB hubs (with larger numbers of ports) are actually two devices as well (for instance a 7-port hub is frequently two 4-port hubs on the same board). The devices do add up, more quickly than you might think - though if someone actually does connect close to 127 devices on a USB 2 bus, it's probably not going to perform very well.

@bibasik7

5 жыл бұрын

"To one USB bus, maybe..." "USB bus" Universal Serial Bus bus

@bojanhlastec7198

4 жыл бұрын

bibasik7 - haha, old one :)

@victorius2975

4 жыл бұрын

KZreadrs uses it

@IMDYT420

4 жыл бұрын

Choke My Chicken me

Isnt Thunderbolt Daisychain too?

@GregoryKarastergios

9 жыл бұрын

iMac James It is

@akabiscuitwaffle

8 жыл бұрын

+iMac James It is, and, but, Thunderbolt is ridiculously expensive when compared to USB. It's also incompatible with all the existing devices meaning you'd need to re-buy *everything* to use it.  On top of that, USB type C has integrated all the features Thunderbolt introduced, plus some, *with* backwards compatibility for USB and every other function that is crammed into it. So now not only is Thunderbolt more expensive and uncompliant with existing tech, but everything it can do USB type C can do better and cheaper.

Dude, I remember seeing this video YEARS ago!

@Bark777

3 жыл бұрын

This is the third time I watch it.

@mastnychleba3440

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bark777 me2

such a cool port name, FireWIre!

Thunderbolt...? I mean that's kinda moot too as USB 3.1 Type C and 3rd Gen Thunderbolt are merging.

One thing that bugs me about this video. The hard drive is obviously USB 3.0 (or as it is now called USB 3.1 Gen 1) yet Your using and USB 2.0 HUB. Your loosing precious transfer speeds. The HUB is bottlenecking Your hard drive. I'm sure Your external USB 3.0 drive would go as fast as 90-100MB/s so why limit it with USB 2.0 speeds that would go up to probably 20-30 MB/s?

@GardevoirTrainer1

5 жыл бұрын

probably because the Mac Mini he's using only has USB 2.0 ports anyway

@kingneutron1

5 жыл бұрын

@@GardevoirTrainer1 Still better off with a USB3 hub for future-proofing

@GardevoirTrainer1

5 жыл бұрын

you're just moving the bottleneck from the hub to the USB 2.0 port on the machine the hub is plugged into

@xXFlameHaze92Xx

4 жыл бұрын

because its obious, a HUB always be a bootleneck

@xXFlameHaze92Xx

4 жыл бұрын

@@GardevoirTrainer1 or install a designated server working as a SAN..... for a small thing its pretty darn usefull and cheaper do it yourself, or a NAS configuration its even more stable than a cascade of External Hardrives wired by a hub

2015: R.I.P Firewire, Hello USB! 2025: OMG!! I CANT FIND A USB PORT ON MY PC (GONE WRONG) (ALMOST DIED)

@MightyJKF

3 жыл бұрын

@@GibsonSwag ok?

@MightyJKF

3 жыл бұрын

@@GibsonSwag i have a 21.5 inch imac with 4 usb ports

@huzaifabasharat7162

3 жыл бұрын

lmao did he delete his comments

@MightyJKF

3 жыл бұрын

i think so

@huzaifabasharat7162

3 жыл бұрын

hehe

Fond memories of the early-mid 2000's when my friend finally managed to get a PCI FireWire capture card. We could finally capture footage from a Sony "prosumer" mini DV camcorder without dropped frames or lowered quality. Still took hours to render the edited footage though!

@walterbrunswick

4 жыл бұрын

"Fond memories" and "early-mid 2000's" just don't match

@updaet6870

3 жыл бұрын

@@walterbrunswick You are an idiot

@tucatheman

2 жыл бұрын

@@updaet6870 true

I only used Firewire because I had a Sony Digital Camcorder and had to install a 1384 port in my PC. Never used it for anything else.

@teodorterinte2686

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the only one time i saw a 1394 cable also with a camcorder about 10 years ago. There was no sight of USB 3 back then and i believe USB 2 would have been slow - 1394 was speedy for those times.

@RetroShare2

3 жыл бұрын

I captured all of my video 8 cassettes via FireWire with my old MacBook over the last weeks.

1:29 Wait a minute... The last Windows 95 OSR supported USB, as did Windows 98 and ME. My first IBM clone had that Windows 95 build.

@widicamdotnet

5 жыл бұрын

yes, USB in general did work, but not generic USB mass storage devices. In '95 and '98 you still needed to install a vendor-supplied driver for each USB device that wanted to present itself as a storage volume (like, a camera acting as a SmartMedia card reader). From Win2000 onwards, *any* mass storage device would "just work" after plugging in.

@Bandicoot803

4 жыл бұрын

@@widicamdotnet Indeed! In fact, Windows 95 Version "C" came with native USB support.

@aptiveviennapro

4 жыл бұрын

Official support for USB without requiring any OEM-related device drivers came in Windows 2000.

@gustavobrtt

4 жыл бұрын

@@widicamdotnet no, in win 95 before osr2 you should install a generic driver for usb support. From win 95 osr2 until now, usb is natively supported.

@taylorwoolston8856

4 жыл бұрын

8-Bit Guy was talking about mass-storage devices, not USB keyboards/mice.

Man you made me love fire wire because of this video lol I use it for my Mac mini mid 2011

I received a FireWire cable along with my first iMac back in 1999. I had it stored for years but I could never use it as FW peripherals were scarce and prohibitively costly. I finally discarded around 2015, still in its package, as the technology became obsolete. I would have certainly liked to see it in action, having heard so much about its excellent performance.

FireWire > USB when it comes to audio though. Streaming vs data packages.

@dot_boi

7 жыл бұрын

troo and with audio interfaces. if you want 8+ channels firewire is the way to go.

@kenabi

7 жыл бұрын

literally just had to pick up a 1394a pcie card to use my firepod with the new system i'm in the process of building. so harsh.

@DJlegionuk

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, the way the data is sent on FireWire makes a big difference to the bandwidth.

@Iliek

6 жыл бұрын

I still use my MAudio ProFire 610 regularly. Hard to beat a good firewire audio interface.

@Barabyk

6 жыл бұрын

Still with ProFire 2626, still works great. No official support for modern OSes, unfortunately.

Thunderbolt 3 is like 40Gbps and you can daisy chain items. I'd say that Apple has definitely replaced Firewire with a better candidate. USB 3.1 is also fast, uses relatively the same cable, and I believe works from Thunderbolt 3, but not the other way around. You can even run an external GPU off of a Thunderbolt bus, adding rendering power to a system that might otherwise be limited with whatever you have in the case.

@johnschwalb

7 жыл бұрын

USB type C can also connect to an external full desktop GPU is reversible and is small enough to take over usb micro and mini on mobile devices.

@kshitijmehta6535

7 жыл бұрын

Intel > Apple

@johnschwalb

7 жыл бұрын

kshitij mehta well apple uses Intel so that's not really a comparison. It would be like saying Nvidia > dell

@kshitijmehta6535

7 жыл бұрын

i'm not talking about which is better than which talking about whom to give real credit about thunderbolt.

@sbrazenor2

7 жыл бұрын

kshitij mehta Apple rarely makes their own tech. They commission everything from vendors, such as Intel. By pushing ahead tech with crazy port options, they drive other tech forward by competing. (Like USB 3.1) Sadly, their best ports and options rarely become the norm in the market for most users. Part of the problem is that the tech is usually way too expensive. I think comparing sizes, HDDs are like 4x the price. Port replicators can also be pricey depending on options.

Thank you, i knew there was something special about Firewire beyond the price. I did little know how much better Firewire is/was compared to USB :).

lol 5 years later and still miss firewire ;)

3:22 It’s not just the daisy-chaining. I remember reading a review of audio devices in a music magazine some decades ago, and in the latency measurement, the PCI cards were the best, then came the FireWire boxes, and lastly the USB ones.

@nikitakipriyanov7260

4 жыл бұрын

Firewire had much more efficient use of bandwidth than USB.

I'm still using firewire.

@dylandesmond

5 жыл бұрын

BL4CKF0X I have it in my i9 9900k setup, Texas Instruments chipset all the way

@dylandesmond

4 жыл бұрын

@waffeltek its quicker for audio buffing live music than usb or thunderbolt

@CoversTavo

4 жыл бұрын

Loooooser

@Pommezul

4 жыл бұрын

@waffeltek Gay

I remember once I connected 12 firewire 1tb drives to a mac tower and edl captured all the selected shots for a feature to be graded and it worked fine. Good old days.

As a mac zealot since 1998, I used FW extensively. The last of my aging FW externals finally died, but was being used through a thunderbolt adaptor in my 2015 MBP Retina, as recently as 2017...... Looking through a bulging cable box last weekend, noted I still have all sorts of old FW cables.... I can't throw them out just yet.... :)

@KlodFather

3 жыл бұрын

They are the devil's snakes... Banish the evil cables to the recycle bin and rejoice! Long Live USB! LOL

How come I not know what firewire is.

@madrix5667

7 жыл бұрын

Firewire was a proprietary apple connectr, so yeah, only a percentage of the percentage that is apple computer users actually used it.

@dalerobinsuk

7 жыл бұрын

No it wasn't, it was on a quite a few things. Also known as IEEE 1394.

@EspHack

7 жыл бұрын

years later I realized that weird IEEE 1394 thing was firewire, which I never bothered to connect from board to case

@madrix5667

7 жыл бұрын

+Dale Robins Ah, didnt know that... Thanks for informing me :)

@joshuarosen6242

7 жыл бұрын

This is true but the fact is that it was only really used by Mac users. If you've never used a Mac in anger, the likelihood is that you will never have come across Firewire.

I'm just now finding out about firewire and I'm already missing it

I had never used firewire, but last month a got a nice firewire multitrack audio interface for dirt cheap on ebay thar 10 years ago would have cost me a lot of money, now i'm using it and it's great for my needs!!

Though i'm late to this vid, good instruction, informative, interesting. Thanks

FYI FireWire has S1600 & S3200 1600mbit and 3200mbit but were unreleased

@SirTroubleSeeker

7 жыл бұрын

but still usb 3 has 5000mbps

@HappySlappyFace

7 жыл бұрын

can it daizy chain mr.SirTriubleSeeker?

@Lucy_chan

7 жыл бұрын

and usb 3.1 have 10000mbps

@EspHack

7 жыл бұрын

he mentioned firewire can do 100 meters, so kinda like ethernet

@ppdan

7 жыл бұрын

Great, but when do you need 10.000mbps? That'a DVD movie in under 10s, why would we need that at home?

Many users preferred it over the more common USB 2.0 for its then greater effective speed and power distribution capabilities. Benchmarks show that the sustained data transfer rates are higher for FireWire than for USB 2.0, but lower than USB 3.0. Results are marked on Apple Mac OS X but more varied on Microsoft Windows. (Wikipedia) Also our business still uses firewire to transfer large files as we don't have USB 3.0 capable computers (nor the budget to get new ones) and it's much faster than USB 2.0

POV: You've seen this before and you're watching this again because it was on your recommended.

I still use a Firewire 800 audio interface in my recording studio, I find older Firewire interfaces much more reliable and they have less latency than USB equivalents. I can record 16 tracks simultaneously at 44.4KHz 24 bit, no problem at all. A cool thing you could do with Firewire on older Macs was connect two machines directly with a firewire cable and boot one up in "Target Disk Mode" by holding command+T, the first Mac would be able to see the hard disks of the 2nd, and quickly and easily transfer files. Very useful.

@andyruse4670

Жыл бұрын

For what it’s worth, thunderbolt also supports target disk mode, and daisy chains. It’s one of the few things I think apple is doing right these days. I’m not a fan of how they’re even soldering in SSDs and Ram.

Then: R.I.P Headphone jack

I thought FireWire died 10 years ago.

@KohuGaly

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing... I'm not even old enough to remember a computer with firewire support, although I saw miriad of devices with firewire ports (especially external sound-cards and AD-DA converters, but also some cameras).

@wclifton968gameplaystutorials

7 жыл бұрын

+KohuGaly the HP elite book 2540p has a mini FireWire port if that counts which only came out in the early 2010s

@KohuGaly

7 жыл бұрын

wclifton 968 I know there are machines with firewire. I just never came across them. Perhaps it's a regional thing...

@wclifton968gameplaystutorials

7 жыл бұрын

probably although I live in the UK

7 жыл бұрын

I've never seen a device or a cable with FireWire port. I only have PCI card with 5 of them laying somewhere.

my first experience with firewire was with my first video camcorder, canon mv630i. it opened up so many doors for me back in nov 2003

Daisy chaining! Wow! That is something I sure wish USB supported!