Part 1: Universal History: Beyond the Horizon: The Symbolism of the Far East | with Richard Rohlin: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaN_2tNyganeYsY.html

Ever since the holy grail video, I can't get enough of Rohlin. Always happy when I see him here

I think we need a Universal History book written by Richard Rohlin, co-authored by JP

@m.filmtrip

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely hoping homeschooling materials come out of all this?

@Ac-ip5hd

Жыл бұрын

And a graphic novel of all the original stories in it.

As an exmormon, I can’t thank you enough for these extraordinary videos. Through your channel I am learning about TRUE Christianity. After I read and listen more about the Orthodox Church, I intend to visit one here in the area of Sacramento Califirnia. God bless.

OUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!

The more I hear Richard engage in these discussions, the more I like him :)

Happy Birthday and many, many years!!!

So... basically, the conquest of America, the conquest of Mexico was just a preemtive strike on Gog and Magog!! :P This is truly fascinating. Because the Aztecs were barbarians, they were the triumphant arrow-throwing barbarian hordes from the north. They breached in the Texcoco lake basin and grew to be an empire from the literal mud, from the marginal terrain of an artifical island, the description at the beginning of the video fits them perfectly as it is recorded in Mesoamerican history. They were known as brutal and unrelentless by allies and enemies alike. When the Spaniards came they easily recognized the Aztecs as that stranger, the strangest stranger, the one which cannot be integrated. They were cannibals, they sprinkled human blood inside their temples, they had "upside down" christian rituals, skulls everywhere, etc. and so they had to be erased, at least culturally, spiritually erased from the earth. But in our nowadays "western" point of view these barbarians never crossed the wall, the wall literally crossed them!! ...ironic.

@shivabreathes

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting perspective

@bond7500

2 жыл бұрын

A couple of people groups that I don't understand, in this framework are like the Mayan, Aztecs and Incas, Being from South America they are usually just seen as "ancient wisdom" that was whipped out by evil Europeans, This is a pretty good description, of one of them

@Greasy__Bear

2 жыл бұрын

Even nature rose against them in the form of disease. I don't know anything about the conquest of the Aztecs by the spaniards, but the more I look into things like the crusades and the inquisition the more I realize the "Catholics bad" interpretation of history is false.

@shivabreathes

2 жыл бұрын

@@bond7500 I think that’s how we have been conditioned to see this, that these groups were all “ancient wisdom” which were wiped out by “conquering Europeans”. But as always I think the reality is much more nuanced than that. I live in Australia, where a similar myth exists about Australian Aboriginals, that they were a 50,000 year old culture wiped out by Europeans. While we should absolutely have sympathy for them and help them where possible, I don’t think this myth is completely accurate. Reading books such as The Memoirs of William Buckley (written by an early white convict who lived among the aboriginals for 30 years) one gets the impression that they were rather savage people. The Europeans initially wanted to trade with them, but the aboriginals were not interested in trade and simply wanted to attack and rob the Europeans at every opportunity. We don’t hear that part of the story.

@the2ndcoming135

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point. Something I sorta agree with because where would we be otherwise?🤷🏽‍♂️

The Last Battle is my favourite of the Narnia books! Thanks Richard.

@elusivemayfly7534

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know if I’ve ever managed to read the end of that book without crying. “Come further up, come further in!” ❤️

@shivabreathes

2 жыл бұрын

@@elusivemayfly7534 I do get really emotional when I read it too.

Gotta say, that opening makes Gog and Magog sound pretty metal.

@CyborganicDreamscape

2 жыл бұрын

i'm almost certain that gwar has a song about them. if not, they should.

@the2ndcoming135

2 жыл бұрын

😂

Always interesting guys! Please cover Priests of Melchizedek when you have time.

@haroldbell213

8 ай бұрын

Shem. And gog is the leader of Magog.

I have heard it said among certain elders, that a resurgence of the Faith is also followed by a persecution. Perhaps it is just the ever spinning wheel, the seasons of history. On that note, thank you for your closing remarks. I am a new convert myself, still just a catechumen. I wish to be humble in this, but I think I am not alone, in the sense of an impending trial. The impending trial will be of unprecedented proportions. Us Christians have it coming. Big time. But our reward will be great. Blessed are those who are persecuted. We shall receive crowns for it. Let us answer Richards call. Let us be the incarnation of traditional Faith in the modern world. Let us wage war with our weapons of peace! Thank you gentlemen for another great episode. For the love of everything Good, do not take any of our compliments to heart. I am sure I will answer to Christ for my flattery. Forgive me. Glory to God.

Hey brothers I love your sharing I cook dinner and listen in my kitchen I Iook forward to the end of my day It's awesome 👍😎 I'm glad I was born And born again To appreciate My heavenly Father This topic .........I've just started listening Gog and Magog ..... At the end of the thousand years hey After Christ returns The next age ....the thousand years begin hey Satan is let loose at the end of the thousand years and ........ he instigates another big rebellion hey And they Gog and Magog come against the camp of the saints hey .......

Richard, thank you for bringing CS Lewis to the conversation. Really wish Jonathan took Lewis and his work more seriously.

I'm loving that new rendition of the theme with an electric guitar!

The heavy metal intro is fun and appropriate given the first clip.

These discussions are amazing.

Thx for the discussion, great stuff :)

@the2ndcoming135

2 жыл бұрын

Jonathan looks like Dr. Banner🤔

Thank you for doing this enlightening work. God Bless you both.

That intro was so sick! I love metal! Rock on Jonathan! 🙌🏼

Redemption versus creation: The bulk of scripture focuses on redemption. For creation, God only needed to speak, for redemption He had to die.

@maximosmagyar9653

2 жыл бұрын

Well I know Richard is very influenced by The Ethics of Beauty by Dr. Patitsas. In that book Dr. Patitsas highlights a theological school of thought that sees creation as a fractal and continuous process. In this school of thought the crucification of Christ is necessary for creation and for the continuous process of creation in which all things are held together in Christ. So God had to die for creation from that perspective. I highly recommend the book. I also highly recommend the first chapter of Colossians.

Fascinating. Thank you.

Happy Birthday Jonathan!

These Canadians coming down and giving us strength and we give them identity haha love it

Oooooh can't wait!

I live in the Pacific North West of North America, and my baptismal saint is St. Christopher. I'm in Portland now, but where I come from originally is a bit weirder. I moved south and crossed a river to get here. My hometown, which I visit by crossing a bridge named "bridge of the gods" has recently erected a bunch of statues of bigfoot, and the locals like to use the weird cryptid stuff about our area (bigfoot, ufo sightings etc, we've all seen them here myself included) as a means to invite tourism. I have a decreasingly secret desire for St. Christopher to come to town and do with bigfoot what St Nicholas did to Krampus. I invite prayers, every time I watch a video like this about edge and fringe symbolism i feel like I'm gonna fall right off it 😅

@animula6908

2 жыл бұрын

God bless you! 🙏🏻

Fun Fact: George H.W. Bush was named Gog in Skull & Bones, and George W. Bush is Magog.

'Gog -and- _from_ Magog' are in the language of Hebrew prophecy against the apostate kings of Israel what *_nomadism_* is in sociological terms to the German geographer Friedrich Ratzel who coined the term of 'Political Geography', exploring the influence of regional geography on local and national history. Recently, the legend of Albunea, *the Etruscan Sibyl of Tibur* , came to my attention without having been familiar with it or looking for it - and I understand that this stream is based on the very 'Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius'. So does the *'Short Story of the Anti-Christ'* (1900) by the Russian philosopher of religion Vladimir Sergeyevich Solovyov still stand tall - both strains of tradition are stressing a theme of *diverse 'witnesses'/confessors against apostasy* and some form of a _cataclysmic_ judgement - although not necessarily the ultimate end of time as John of Patmos. Enoch is a patriarch who preceeded the deluge and preserved means of divination like religious writing and astronomy which can be understood as a reference to surviving a cataclysm, the preservation of elements of civilization as well as to means to anticipate these events to a basic degree, sufficient to not be completely surprised and confused by it. Since the North is mentioned - where e.g. the Ark is traditioned to have arrived at Mount Ararat - and nomadism plays some role, I'd like to point to a most Northern tradition of *'the Kalevala'* , compiled by Elias Lönnrot from Karelian folk lore and the nature of the Sami people - while far fetched, having e.g. a connection to the probable assassination UN General Secretary Dag Hammarskjöld. Fate is spun in fine threads that can easily be overlooked while stressing far more obvious factors of 'the historical process', but within transnational transfer of cultural history and it's poetic and symbolic media, the fact that the Sami are not described like the Mongol rule or the Plains Indians of North America - though all related to another since the ice age - should make one wonder why that is and what role _they_ play as marginal as it may seem. One way to interprete 'the Walls of Alexander' is simply _sedentist civilization_ and it's stable social order, compared to the frequent warfare of nomadic tribe, expanding grazing grounds for it's animal husbandry. *A collapse of social order would turn men into animals* , feasting on each other corpses e.g. due to starvation. I tend to believe, the less moralistic one treats notions of demonic influence, the more comprehensible it's function becomes - e.g. Tolkien would be an example of trying to characterize his fictional antagonists as _corrupted_ desires 'to create' (Melkor) and 'to offer hope' (Sauron and his cult of Melkor) that it evokes less _self-pitty_ and 'slave morality' when actually thinking about them, but possibly pitty for *the tragic element within divine creation that can only be overcome by practicing a divine love* . One can comprehend nomadism as *'a baseline of civilizations'*, meaning that all historic cultures had originated and migrated from the Altai Mountains like 'dead' bone crystallizes from the living marrow. On the other hand if one looks from where destabilization comes from the last 30 years, it is clearly the 'enlightened' Transatlantic West, overturning the status quo of international law and spreading aborted fetuses in landfills from where they enter the foodchain - and to top this thought off, once the Russian Federation borders Hungary in the months to come and the Serbian railroads _to China_ have been completed, there's little incentive to let Transatlantic Europe linger instead of integrating it into a *'Greater Eurasia'* , _restoring Christendom_ in the Occidence while modernizing the Mongolian Silk Road... That is the pressing relevancy of the topic.

Thanks

Wonderful conversation! To Richard regarding Chronicons please see Jason of Archaix. He has an exhaustive example.

Love that intro

there is a childrens rhyme in dutch: "we come from far away magog magog maggumekin what did you bring us magog magog magimmekin"

@Vingul

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t even rhyme ;-)

@bradswanson7919

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vingul but they wrote it in English

@Vingul

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradswanson7919 Yeah. Except «they» is plural.

@universalflamethrower6342

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vingul it is somewhere between a nursery hyme and a children's song it doesn't need to rhymme, it conveys meaning and ideas surrounding Christianity and paganism

@experiencemystique4982

2 жыл бұрын

We come from far away, someone brought them and they don't know why... Could have "others" meanings.. A lot of more, but not is you are still on parabol stage.

Very good

I could probably listen to the Universal History episodes on an almost continual loop. Great stuff. One little correction / clarification - dispensationalism didn’t originate out of Dallas, as Richard sort of says. It was widely disseminated throughout N. America post-WWII by graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary, no question. And DTS’s influence on American evangelicalism was seismic from the 60s-90s. It was THE flagship dispensational seminary for a long time. (Still is, probably, though the school downplays that now - or at least they did when I was there thru 2010)) But dispensationalism was already becoming a force in America prior to DTS’s founding in 1924 - especially through Scofield’s annotated Bible published in 1909 which sold more than a million copies right out of the gate. And also through a number of influential late 19th century popular preachers who adopted it. But I’m not commenting just to go all Fr. Stephen “um, actually”. There’s a cool point. (I hope) Dispensationalism first originated and was developed in the Plymouth Brethren movement, a restorationist Protestant sect which rose up in the 1820s starting in….Ireland. Just outside Dublin to be precise. (In fact, ground zero was Powerscourt Castle in Co. Wicklow barely 20 miles from St. Kevin’s Glendalough)Then it jumped the Irish Sea to hit England before hopping the Atlantic to hit America in the 1860s. That this strange theology which has so taken America - that place which is at the edge of the West - originated in Ireland, the extreme edge of the ancient world, is that much more awesome. So Ireland is responsible for giving us both many legitimate iterations of the extreme in her intensely ascetic saints and (in a round about way) Hal Lindsey and Left Behind.

Now I understand the symbolism of the fringe.

Phenomenal video and closure - Christianity wins through martyrdom!

Shortly before I watched this video I had been reading about the wall the Sumerian king Shu-Sin built to keep out the Amorite invaders. That ultimately failed as well.

Is that the intro to the Transformers cartoon? Optimus Pageau and BumbleRohlin vs. MegaGog and starscream.

@24:00 The most expensive, luxurious coffee in the world, kopi luwak, once was the drink of the poor plantation workers who collected the droppings of monkeys, who ate the coffee beans, and prepared a delicious beverage. The rich owners found out and there you go - monkey droppings coffee.

I need more Universal History. Holy Virgin Mary pray for us🙏

Haha, talkin Mongols, knew it was a matter of time before Dan Carlin came up. Highly recommend the Prophets of Doom one off, madness in a can. Loving these interviews. Cheers, mate 👌✌️🙏

Richard! Hook us up with some references to the Tang Dynasty records that talk about Christian baptism of Daoist philosophy! I'd love to see what that looked like.

Legend had it Alexander the Great built a mighty wall to contain the peoples of Gog and Magog, but eventually they escaped obviously

@alaricpalaiologos665

2 жыл бұрын

They were described as, "an ugly, deceitful greedy people obsessed with markets and money"......

@thomasmacabee8361

2 жыл бұрын

@@alaricpalaiologos665 Hmmm... I wonder whom they could be?

Endre Ady - I am the son of King Gog of Magog Hungary, 1905 "I am the son of King Gog of Magog, I'm banging doors and walls to no avail - yet I must ask this question as prologue: may I weep in the grim Carpathian vale? I came along Verecke's famous path, old Magyar tunes still tear into my chest - will it arouse your Lordships' righteous wrath as I burst in with new songs from the West?' Pour in my ears your molten liquid lead, let me become the new Vazul of songs - let me not hear the new songs you have bred: Come, tread me down in furious, evil throngs! But to the end, tortured, expecting nothing, the song keeps soaring on its new-found wings: even if cursed by a hundred Founding Fathers - triumphant, new, Magyar, and true it rings."

"You recruit your army from the fringes of society" Yup. Jonathan should have fun with the fact that "Dogface" is a slang term for an infantryman.

The symbolic merch store domain is expired...can someone inform Jonathan!

When adressing the 'Prester John' - aside from the equally relevant Persian Nestorianism and *_porphyrogenite_** Ilkhanate intermarriage* (Maria Palaiologina - mirroring the German Ottonians in Central Europe) - one can take note of the actual *'Hephtalite' 'White Huns'* in which dominion in former *_Greco-Persian_** Baktria (roughly Afghanistan) Manes* would gain that much following that Augustine of Hippo (Northern Africa) was a Manichean before converting to the familiar 'Latins'. Traces of Manicheanism can still be found in China (coastal Fujian province, populated by Hakka) and while it can be debated whether it was a religion of it's own or _a Christian heresy_ , the references to *the orthodox concept of a trinitarian God* are certainly stronger, compared to Islam which had rejected it, completely - and so was the 'evangelic' concept of *_love of one's enemies_* - the opposite of 'conversion by the sword'. The sacking of Baghdad was arguably not different from *the sacking of Tyre by Alexander the Great* - other than by _degree_ of scale. Terms of surrender were given - and _refused_ - with the _customary_ consequences of sacking the city - and it had to be soin order that other cities would not be encouraged to fight from house to house, possibly afflicting attrition on the army. The West has a tendency to paint massacres of nomadic 'Easterlings' (Tolkien who couldn't pass as a chauvinist) in the utmost shrill colors - while handing out blankets, known to be infested by smallpock germs, killing _millions_ - same with 'civilized' sanctions, increasing child mortality... And at last, Europe is not collapsing because of a lack of will to integrate converts of various _ethnicities_ - but the fact that *the 'enlightened' seculars who rule the European Union via secret-society-like political parties ('caucuses') have settled 25 million Sunni Muslims along the Rhine and France **_without converting them to Christ_* - which will lead to terrible atrocities during the upcoming civil wars that will spring from a failure of NATO to contain the very Eurasian bloc, it had provoked by expanding Eastwards since the end of the Cold War in imitation of a Pagan Roman Empire (Jean Monnet Conference in Latvia, 2014)...

"Strength encountering identity"

There’s a sort of I guess diary is the best way to describe it, but it’s trying to be academic somewhat, of the East by Sir John Mandeville in the 14th century I think where he details his travels East and it’s very bizarre. He meets Pr John in this land called Tartary where everything is crazy, they have plants that look like animals and have meat inside them, very strange people. It was super interesting and quite hilarious. It’s written in an old form of English so the spelling and grammar is different but it’s readable. Think it’s just called the travels of sir John mandeville.

Those mongols who marched to battle behind the sign of the cross may actually be the descendants of a large group of Anglo-Saxon royalty that fled England and settled in the Crimea after the Norman invasion. The timeline matches.

@christophersnedeker2065

2 жыл бұрын

What?

@lukasjhdewaal8212

2 жыл бұрын

I hear that Crimea is the origin of the Saxons before being driven off by the Huns

@Caligula138

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They were Khazers

The theme song 😂

What remains of your culture now little boy blue did you give back the treasure you stole did the demons within set you free from your sin but deny you the key to your soul You’ve got to give back to get out of here there is only one path you must choose did Marie Antoinette with her last cigarette declare “ give the poor beggar my shoes! “

Around 12:55 the name of Alexander in the Quran is Dhu Al-Quarnayn (ذو القرنين) literally "the one with the two horns"

I like that there are people getting interested in patterns that play out across time and domains, but I don't think they've come to the right conclusion yet; and I think there is one to come to. When a scholar identifies a story as embodying a universal story pattern, he tends to identify it, as these gentlemen seem to do, as mythology, by which he implies that it didn't really _literally_ happen, but rather, is metaphor. I don't think they're understanding how real and how powerful these patterns are. They are mythologies because they really did literally happen. But also, they really did literally happen _because_ they are mythologies, by which I mean something like, 'the patterns of the cosmic tapestry.' These patterns play themselves out over and over. That's why people are able to make prophecies that come true. That's why astrology kind of works, despite being filtered through the intellects of half-witted new-agers, and despite no scientific mind being able to identify a mechanism other than self-delusion by which it possibly could. This is why the Apocalyptic Biblical prophecies _do_ refer to the reign of Nero... and also to WWII... and also to something that's probably about to happen soon. The universality of these mythological tropes isn't just some interesting but irrelevant spandrel of extinct cultural happenstance. Nor are they _only_ human expressions of evolved instincts for adaptive behavior, called morality. Rather, they are expressions of recognition of aspects of the base structure of _at least_ anthropocentric reality. But that _means_ that they _do_ really happen, over and over again. That's also why books like The Lord of the Rings are so popular. They resonate with something that's already there. And that something, that pattern, plays itself out across time, interacting with other patterns. And the investigation, study, and subsequent engineering of those patterns, lends itself, I think, to scientific investigation, but which starts with the macroscopic rather than the microscopic. And that science is what used to be called by terms that now mean 'magic.' And like our reductionist science, I think it worked, to the degree that they did it correctly. I don't think it was metaphor or imagination. And neither did the Freemasons and other occultists who build America, and whose symbols are still on the dollar that runs the current world order, and in the layout of the capitol, for example. (The capital and the capitol.)

It sounds more like the Nimrod army - and Nimrod is tge forefather of Hungarians. Everything you said just matching with what i have learned in the saturday morning Hungarian school in Toronto. Reflective bow, horsemen, archers, warriors etc. The thing is that Hungarians converted to the catholic religion in 1000 and ever since they are devoted christians. Now half of Hungary is protestant and half is catholic but the catholic values prevail - making it hard to americanize that country which is not a bad thing lets be honest. In 1200 whenever a hungarian-born priest named Julianus went back to Siberia to the ancient land of Hungarians and he met those ones who were left there around 400 A.C. he spoke to them and they gave him a warning about the Mongols conquering the world. He went back home and told tge king about the news. Its also an ancient Hungarian habit that we dont listen to each other so the king did some renovations on the castles and defences but not much. The mongols killed everyone. This happened after with the turkish too and the germans - hungarian history is not good for one's mental health.

@bcafed

2 жыл бұрын

Also, Anonymous who wrote in the 12 c. stated that the word Magyar (what Hungarians call themselves) comes from Magog. Attila is still a very popular name in Hungary. And Endre Ady wrote a very popular and influential poem entitled "I am the Son of Gog and Magog". I would have liked to hear them touch on that since the sons and daughters of Magog are still alive in the middle of Europe, or so it's claimed.

@kbeetles

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I am a Hungarian, a warrior spirit for the Truth. No ifs and buts and compromises when it comes to the Truth. Recently the findings of archeogenetics has proved that Hungarians are related to the Huns and the Scythians who were regarded as people with the highest moral values by Aristoteles (if I remember correctly).

Some of the legendary archery they are talking about is possible. Take a look at youtube videos by Lars Andersen.

Acts of Mercy and Martyrdom: I guess we are returning full circle backwards or forwards, whichever, to the Great Medieval and the construction of cathedrals. (Coincidence of Opposites). Creating beauty amongst the suffering of a violent world as response…….

Talking about armies traditionally being the fringe people in a society... what about knights? They were supposed to be a sort of ideal right?

Hello Jonathan, In the Great Collection of the Lives of the Saints by Saint Dimitry of Rostov there is an explanation given by Attila the Hun as to why he turned around and left after meeting the Pope of Rome. (kzread.info/dash/bejne/nJmAmKuGZr2wicY.html) I would quote it to you, but I do not remember the Pope's name and could not hear it in the video, (hence I do not know which volume of The Lives to look in).

Book of cave of treasures When Alexander was king, and had subdued countries and cities, and had arrived in the East, he saw in the confines of the East those men who are of the CHILDREN OF JAPHET. They were more wicked and unclean than all [other] dwellers in the world; filthy people of hideous appearance, who ate mice and the creeping things of the earth, and snakes and scorpions. They never buried the bodies of their dead [but ate them]. People ignorant of God, and unacquainted with the power of reason, but who lived in this world without understanding like ravening beasts. When Alexander saw their wickedness, he called God to his aid, and he gathered together and brought them and their wives and children, and made them go in, and shut them up within the CONFINES OF THE NORTH. This is the gate of the world on the north, and there is no other entrance or exit from the confines of the world from the east to the north. And Alexander prayed to God with tears, and God heard his prayer and commanded those two lofty mountains (Zechariah 6:1) which are called "the children of the north," and they drew nigh to one another until there remained between them about twelve cubits. Then he built in front of them a strong building, and he made for it a door of brass, and anointed it within and without with oil of Thesnaktîs (i.e. an oil which cannot be burnt off with fire or scraped off with an iron tool), so that if they should bring iron implements near it to force it to open, they would be unable to move it; and if they wished to melt it with fire, it would quench it; and it feared neither the operations of devils nor of sorcerers, and was not to be overcome [by them]. Now there were twenty-two kingdoms imprisoned within the northern gate, and their names are these:-- Gôg, Mâgôg. Nâwâl, Eshkenâz (Eshkîn). Denâphâr (Dîfâr). Paktâyê (the people of Paktuê in the Thracian Chersonesus). Welôtâyê (Lûdâyê). Humnâyê (the Huns), Parzâyê. Daklâyê, Thaubelâyê (Tuklâyê). Darmetâyê, Kawkebâyê. Dog-men (Cynocephali). Emderâthâ, Garmîdô. Cannibals, Therkâyê (Thracians). Âlânâyê (the Allani), Pisilôn. Denkâyê (Dunkâyê). Saltrâyê (Saltâyê). At the END OF THE WORLD and at the final consummation, when men are eating and drinking and marrying wives; and women are given to husbands; when they are planting vineyards and building buildings, and there is neither wicked man nor adversary, on account of the assured tranquillity and certain peace; suddenly the GATES OF THE NORTH shall be OPENED, and the hosts of the nations that are imprisoned there shall go forth. The whole earth shall tremble before them, and men shall flee and take refuge in the mountains and in caves and in burial places, and in clefts of the earth; and they shall die of hunger, and there will be none to bury them, by reason of the multitude of afflictions which they will make men suffer. They will eat dead dogs and cats; they will give mothers the bodies of their children to cook, and they will eat them before them without shame. They will destroy the earth, and there will be none able to stand before them. After one week of that sore affliction, they will all be destroyed in the plain of Joppa, for thither will all those [people] be gathered together, with their wives and their sons and their daughters.

Indo-Europeans are the villains in Jewish mythology. Makes you think...

You both are ready brave. I try reading the book of which and understood why it was not added to the bible. The book it too heavy in any and everyway. Great job sirs.

To edit this to the essence of the message would reduce it to about 5 minutes; nevertheless, the asides, which seem to go on forever, are invaluable puzzle pieces flipped right side up on the table called the History of God's story on Earth. Love this.

Your discussion @27:00 about God using the bro Assyrians and wicked people is easy: 1) a righteous people may be commanded by God to inherit the land of and destroy a wicked people.( israel taking the land of Canaan). 2) God may also allow a wicked people to destroy themselves (the jaredites had a civil war where they destroyed themselves). 3) when gods people turn to wickedness, God allows their wicked enemies to have power over them and destroy them (the northern kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah are destroyed by the Assyrians and babylonians).

30:53

"Lifting up the eyes" in the Bible always refers to someone looking at the Lord's provision.

Thus we see the radical nature of St. Paul's vision: "...put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, SCYTHIAN, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all." Ready to embrace the Christ in even the utmost fringe, beyond the last wall...

Prestur means priest in Icelandic

Pt.2 ?? Someone please link me Pt.1

@DerekJFiedler

2 жыл бұрын

Part 1: Universal History: Beyond the Horizon: The Symbolism of the Far East | with Richard Rohlin: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaN_2tNyganeYsY.html

@roshan6423

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@@DerekJFiedler Thank you Sir 🙂

@DerekJFiedler

Жыл бұрын

@@roshan6423 You are most welcome. If you liked this podcast, you may like the conversation with Richard, Gareth Boyd, and me that posted recently - kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4OYlpJpfdnLgLQ.html

1:14:10 something about understanding that "strength and identity are not the same thing'" pertains to Peterson's latest muse that 'Power ISN'T the fundamental principle of Western culture'... He has been a on an exploration the last year+ searching for a response... I do think power/strength & identity are being confused and it'd be worth separating the two further in the Symbolic World channel. The confusion is apparent (i.e. Pride month, Carl Trueman's Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, Vanderklay's 'secret sacred authentic self', Vervaeke's 'co-identification/Metta' and identity as a possession rather than a relation)... idk... just some sporadic connecting thoughts I wanted to put out there...

@quentissential

Жыл бұрын

'Sometimes, even a minority that has identity can take over a very very powerful group. It's not just about strength and military might.' edit: also, Richard's conclusion was exactly on point, I typed this before even hearing that. Kudos fellas. Great conversation.

In one sense Gog and Magog are the Turks. Mongolia is recognized by by the sulphuric colors(identified in Revelation in 200 million army) of red, yellow, and blue and Ghanghes Khan also claimed descent from Gog and Magog. Furthermore, they are a warrior nomadic people of of the steppes and of the North . As far as the four corners of the Earth they have a wide distribution from Anatolia(Europe) to Mongolia(Asia). There traditional religion is Tengrism which is monotheistic and shamanistic. The Great Wall of China was built to keep the Mongols out.

I wish so badly that East and West would reunite.

@Joe-pi9bx

Жыл бұрын

Find unity in God.

Mark 7:26 "ἡ δὲ γυνὴ ἦν Ἑλληνίς, Συροφοινίκισσα τῷ γένει" Acts 4:36 "Λευΐτης, Κύπριος τῷ γένει," Acts 18:2 "καὶ εὑρών τινα Ἰουδαῖον ὀνόματι Ἀκύλαν, Ποντικὸν τῷ γένει" Acts 18:24 " Ἰουδαῖος δέ τις Ἀπολλὼς ὀνόματι, Ἀλεξανδρεὺς τῷ γένει,"

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Sometimes I miss the old theme...the guitar hurts my ears when I have a headache. Otherwise it's fine.

Gog and Magog might already be at play in the world, especially the abortionist of this world

@ShowMeMoviesInc.

2 жыл бұрын

Gay

The scythians are the progenitors of the germanic/gothic europeans theyre not iranian however they are arya which modern iranians associate themselves with.

Ummmm ok that was a powerful opening. Jonathan's face said it all. Welp folks, here it is, the End.

I can’t denounced historical peoples for not being up to our standards on hating genocide, after all we are pretty much hypocrites about claiming we are the finest people in history

Why is Satan let loose At the end of the thousand years Where does he go Who does he bring against the camp of the saints How does Christ react What's the outcome

@AA-kt8ei

16 күн бұрын

It's mot Lucifer here, it's the Antichrist, who is human equivalent of Satan

Richard's account of the origin of the so-called Nestorian Church is incorrect. Here is how it really happened: In 424 (four years before Nestorius became Archbishop of Constantinople, and seven years before the Council of Ephesus), the portion of the Diocese of the East (now known as the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East) that found itself under Sasanian Persian rule, as a result of advances of that empire into formerly Roman territory, declared itself autocephalous under the Catholicos of Seleucia-Ctesiphon. This was about politics, not doctrine. The Sasanian rulers were suspicious of their Christian subjects because they answered to leaders in the enemy Roman Empire. By cutting ties to the foreign empire and becoming independent, the Church of the East hoped it would make itself more acceptable to its Persian rulers. The Church of the East did not participate in the Council of Ephesus, which was formally sponsored by the eastern Roman emperor, Theodosius II. Ignoring the council's ruling helped to establish the Church of the East as independent of Rome. The Church of the East had no particular attachment to Nestorius, but there was a perception that the real target of St Cyril at Ephesus was the late Theodore of Mopsuestia, whose writings were popular and influential throughout greater Syria, including Mesopotamia. Nestorius thought of himself as an intellectual heir of the brilliant Theodore, but Nestorius was a second-rate theologian who tried to extrapolate his christology from a weak point in Theodore's theology. Nestorius was also a politically inept outsider in Constantinople, so everyone there was happy for any pretext to be rid of him. But from distant Mesopotamia it looked like Nestorius was being persecuted for his attachment to Theodore, so people in the newly established Church of the East tended to sympathize with him, even though they did not feel compelled to take a formal stance on an issue in what they now saw as a foreign jurisdiction.

Part 1?

@lisaonthemargins

2 жыл бұрын

The Symbolism of the East: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaN_2tNyganeYsY.html

@lisaonthemargins

2 жыл бұрын

But to be fair it's not strictly necessary to have listened to part 1

@ZiggaRats

2 жыл бұрын

Just curious if it was on Jonathan's channel? I couldn't find it

@ZiggaRats

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo Polled oops. So it is. Thank you 😊

@Vingul

2 жыл бұрын

@Leo Polled I wonder what it would look like if it was figuratively linked to. Just the keywords, maybe.

What if these groups are the Jews and the Christians?!

@diannalaubenberg7532

2 жыл бұрын

Highly unlikely.

As Jesus existed since eternity past before Mary, but Mary herself only began to exist once her parents conceived her... does that make me Nestorian? Wouldn't that make all Protestants Nestorians?

@mixk1d

2 жыл бұрын

Well you are saying Jesus existed since eternity past so no. If you said God the Son existed for eternity and Mary gave birth to Jesus not God the Son then yes. Nestorian means Jesus was 2 persons (ie Jesus and God the Son) The accusation was that because Jesus is God, Mary must be the mother of God, and not merely the mother of Christ, because mums give birth to persons so if it was only a human person and not a divine person then that means Christ is 2 persons, which is wrong. Since most Protestants say she isn’t the Mother of God it is a little bit Nestorian, but not really

We need the Melchizedek podcast. Just read Abraham Lincoln paid tithes to him.

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@Augass

2 жыл бұрын

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Isn’t it Gog OF Magog

@daisyviluck7932

8 ай бұрын

In Ezekiel it’s Gog of Magog. In Revelations (Apocalypse), it’s Gog and Magog

Pashtun - Semitic People from Afghanistan, Lost Tribes of Israel, Army of Moshiach Ben Yosef mission To take there holy land back and united the city of Jerusalem repeat of Herod the Great,

wtf!!?.. Praise God

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I cone to you via Jordan Peterson .

On another Bent, here / hear. So so to interflect

@kevinsawyer6968

2 жыл бұрын

K. LIVGRINS - ONE OF MANY POSSIBLE MUSIC'S

What are we looking at here?

The Khazers

The diet sounds like China.

Many people want to see Jordan Peterson interview with Ray Comfort. Living waters made a video about him here, kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYJh19JqhZSbns4.html What do you think??

This explains why I’m so suspicious of you Canadians

Does this mean Canada will invade the US and become more conservative? Lol

I worry. That this work is laying the foundation for the reprisal of the already dead. The killed. Having learned nothing. I worry.

Ya’juj”and..ma”juj..”khazars..mongols..”””gog..”magogs.....””””