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@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

55:30 One of the best moment of Levin during the conversation! Thanks for mentioning it 😂

@GiedriusMisiukas

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@philosophybabble yeah :) And this discussion has quite a few synergetic moments. I am still in progress of listing some interesting moments while I continue listening.

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

@@labudewa3034 Artefact as in everything is object of consciousness through the perception

@nonpareilstoryteller5920

Жыл бұрын

So, what is going on when ‘object permanence” doesn’t take hold or isn’t programmed in the 3 month old’s brain, that is, in Donald’s framing?

@adamdavis8253

Жыл бұрын

Thank ya

I’ve been following Hoffman for a few years and Levin for just over a year now. It didn’t even occur to me. They would know each other to do a search for both of them together. Hoffman is so heady I easily get lost so I appreciate him in conversation with Levin who is able to ground the concepts in reality in ways I have a better chance of understanding. I am a medium and have felt a strong need to know how communication with non-physical entities is possible. Hoffman’s User Illusion was the first piece of anything close to a direction in science I came across that might explain the reality of a larger dimensional space or stage on which what I was routinely seeing acted out. When I came across Levin on TOE, I believed I was seeing someone whose ideas of morphogenetic fields was the realest direction I had seen on the nature of discarnate souls. I’m no scientist, only intuitive, but for me these two together are like lightening in a fireworks factory. Thank you Ivy!

@philosophybabble

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment, much appreciated. Glad you found our channel. :)

@SrValeriolete

7 ай бұрын

Do you know the Yogachara school of buddhism? A lot of Hoffman discourse and models mirrors their thinking, the only thing is that they used dreams as examples instead of virtual reality.

I just love this. The pairing of these two was brilliant. Hoffman brings out another dimension of brilliance in Levin. Levin is the sort of mastermind you want contemplating these things. I am excited to see what he figures out in the years ahead.

@backwardthoughts1022

6 ай бұрын

unless you want to subject your audience to nauseating stupidity, a physicalist should stick to engineering, not topics relating to the mind

@RogueElement.

5 ай бұрын

​@@backwardthoughts1022no. It's not about the audience. He finds. Other people can do the explaining to "weaker audiences"

@backwardthoughts1022

5 ай бұрын

@@RogueElement. when 10yos go around sprouting YOLO ie. physicalism, i dont think further endless physicalism is whats needed how about, I dunno, going over the data showing that not a single emergent property of consciousness has ever been prayed into existence at its asserted basis of emergence location. hoffman touches this but only every minimally. every time the physicalist babbles on about his religions hoffman needs to pretend he has no idea what the physicalist is talking about, cos by definition he doesn't

@RogueElement.

5 ай бұрын

@@backwardthoughts1022 lol right. The world WILL annihilate itself if Materialism and related views are not abandoned. I am an analytical Idealism person. (Bernardo kastrup) you are right 🤣 I agree. But well kids these days are into genders anyway 😭🤷🏾‍♂️🤣

@andriaantell5410

22 күн бұрын

If they have a kept this hidden. Why would they let us find out about it as you have? Why keep it hidden anymore?

As an armchair Buddhist I am in deep awe of the dimension of Michael Levin's grasp and take of reality and the concept of very selfhood as constantly recreated from the memories of past events, and constantly laying foundations for our future versions - to be created from the memories of now.

@grosbeak6130

Жыл бұрын

Why mention that you are an armchair Buddhist? Well I have to say that your comment following that statement proves that you are.

@thehereticalinvestigation

9 ай бұрын

In some presentations you can see his desktop background prior to starting the slide deck, and it's one of Roerichs works.. He knows.

@futureproof.health

7 ай бұрын

Armchair Buddhism 🕉️, perfect 👍🏼

Exciting stuff from Mr Hoffman. Real work being done ❤

Levin is very important to the future of humanity and unlocking the secrets of existence. Hoffman is easily the same. Great show!

We should talk. Hoffman connected to me.. I can explain it. But it rocked me and daily rocks me. I’m now watching all of his videos.

Imagine what high school students will be taught in science in 100 years from now ❤

@ericcunningham3659

10 ай бұрын

They’ll probably be learning Newtonian physics and not understanding it- I guess I haven’t seen much evidence of high schools pushing the envelope of learning 🙂

@Meditation409

10 ай бұрын

I definitely agree....and that's a topic of a deep podcast and collaboration in itself which would be quite an awesome discussion to watch!! ❤

@Sethan777

9 ай бұрын

Could go two ways. More dumbing down, or more knowledge.

@anthonybrett

9 ай бұрын

They'll probably still be debating what a "woman" is.

@akaROOSTA

9 ай бұрын

alpetkiewicz6805 seriously trips me the hell out when i find myself sitting around and pontificating on the strange fact that i've literally learned practically more and in a copious dense fashion learning outside of my 12 year schooling career. using youtube and google as a tool

WELL DONE. GREAT AND INSPIRING CONVERSATION. THANK YOU.

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

These two just get better and better 🥰

I absolutely loved this presentation! These "reality-building consciousness" reflections confirm the intuitive writings of Ortega y Gassett, specifically as he outlined them in his seminal work, _Man and People_ ("El Hombre y La Gente"), from lectures presented in the early 1930's but published in book form in 1957. About time folks yanked this mind-blowing topic out of obscurity. Man not merely makes himself, he constructs a universe where he _focuses his attention_ and seeks consensus/validation for it. Ah, the human condition! Keep up the great work, professors Hoffman and Levin. Be well.

@mequetri

Жыл бұрын

Fascintating... and how about this... since we´re aknowledging past intuitions of these truths, regarding the concept of memory having to recreate it´s past at every instant, I think of Jorge Luis Borge´s sentence in A History Of Eternity: ¨Thus they say that the conservation of this world is a perpetual creation and that the verbs, 'conserve' and 'create', so much at odds here, are synonymous ...¨

I did not expect my biology hero ( I said what I said ) Levin to be here discussing metaphysics. The more you know ...

@HeronMarkBlade

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Levin understands that metaphysics is not woo woo, but rather an.essentual component of any scientific theory. Sure, tell us whats going to happen, but what's it really happening to?

@danmoretti8898

10 ай бұрын

We're entering an era where the most powerful scientific ideas come from people who are capable of seeing beyond the physical realm that we've been so obsessed with for 100+ years (Hoffman and Levin are foremost here). It's not an indictment of physics - the study of the physical has been essential for moving to a deeper understanding of nature, which will eventually come to include consciousness.

@oolala53

10 ай бұрын

My previous eastern philosophy teacher was a physicist before he had a transition in his level of awareness beyond thought. He said the problem for scientists is that they were always looking at phenomena and not seeing that some thing was aware of the phenomenon, and then that was even more important. He claims that science will never actually be able to measure, or even find awareness because it’s not a thing. But these discussions help loosen that attachment to this examination of what is basically a dream. I don’t know if Donald Hoffman says it any place else, but since he has said that in the visual field, something like an apple represents something useful, but it’s not actually the Apple, and it’s way more complicated than we are equipped to understand. I don’t think there’s any reason to believe it’s any different for anything else that appears to the senses, including thoughts. Even thoughts that seem to be expressing a very profound idea are made of some thing that we are experiencing but even it is not what it seems like. I can’t claim to have experience this deeply, but I think getting used to these ideas is part of what can help open the door.

@Sambasue

8 ай бұрын

@@HeronMarkBladewe live in a culture obsessed with observations, but with little consideration as to what these perceptions appear to and completely within.

This is like the most interesting interview of the century or so.

This is insanely amazing. I could sit for an entire night listening and learning ❤

Bravo Michael, The practical level is much more interesting, useful, and discoverable. I'll take the excitement of experience, and if the memory is gone, go do it again! I'm a doer, hobiecat 17 hull flyer, wind surfer, scubadiver, marathon runner, pilot of RC and full-size planes, build and fly FPV Drones, worked in Bolivia. Colombia, Texas, Libya, and Saudi Arabia, in Geophysics, system and network engineering, commercial software developer in natural gas trading, wrote flight simulation games in Unity3D. I bow hunt in my primitive south Texas land, gun hunt, and I get to remember everything!

Thank you for posting and sharing this conversation, it provides a wide range of areas to look at when trying to get your footing in such fields. Peace

Really this is the first time I've heard scientists actually propose theories that match up to my understandings from personal enlightenment investigations. I've been waiting a while. Refreshing.

Excellent discussion. Interesting to see Donald Hoffman refer to Leibniz. It may be of value to have these two individuals back in the future when additional research as been done.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING ALL THIS BEAUTY!

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank u Michael I’ve been waiting a long time to hear someone express experience and memory as an eternal substrate

@sherrybutts5947

4 ай бұрын

Aaaaaaaamen!! Love you Michael!!! U r amazing.. I’ve waited to hear this too!!!’

There are countless conscious agents, so to speak, but they are all aspects of the One Consciousness.

@Earthad23

Жыл бұрын

One consciousness experiencing itself subjectively

@Unknown-rc6xt

Ай бұрын

This is pseudoscience.

@glenemma1

Ай бұрын

@@Unknown-rc6xt It is pseudo when you throw out one-liners with no substance or content at all. And this is the nature of your comment. The idea that space/time is dead, so to speak, is not fundamental, is said by learned scientists. The fundamental nature of consciousness has been espoused by people who have given their lives to an earnest study of the nature of reality and the essence of anything they perceive. Being conscious, consciousness/awareness itself is recognised as this fundamental reality.

@glenemma1

Ай бұрын

@@Unknown-rc6xt People like Donald Hoffman and thinkers the world over have given their lives to studying the nature of Reality. They conclude that its fundamental nature is not the world of appearances, the space/time of our apparent reality, but awareness/consciousness itself. This is the fundamental reality, is reality Itself. To dismiss this with a clever one-liner that it is pseudoscience is pure glibness and very insulting.

I love the mind-bending content! The more radical the better as far as I'm concerned.

great pairing of guests, a shame about the audio hiccups.

I was asleep while listening and Dr. Levin was in my dream he was speaking in front of a star chart and he circled three star systems on the chart. Strange but neat.

@starxcrossed

10 ай бұрын

Hi 👋 this kind of thing happens to me too. I like it. It’s your right brain telling you something visually, at least that’s how I think about it

@Jimmy-el2gh

10 ай бұрын

@@starxcrossed thank you

Michael Levin is very insightful. Donald also. I love where the science and philosophy is focused on this conversation. This was a treat. 🎉

Thanks for that great video and hello from the Dominican Republic!

Where “cognition” denotes input-to-output attribution, it is more general than consciousness and applies to the processes of any scale of matter, but where “consciousness” denotes “raw experience”, it converts the properties of processes to qualia or qualitative properties. Both terms, at least connotatively, serve complementary purposes.

@horsymandias-ur

6 ай бұрын

Qualia are the functions of processes? I have been reading Berkeley recently and he struck me with an intuitive comment that what Locke called “primary qualities” (e.g. physical extension) are only ever known in virtue of “secondary qualities” (qualia)-for example, one’s coming to have the conception of a triangle is cashed out in terms of the qualia which distinguish it against a background. From that point of view, I think processes are conversely properties of qualia. How does this proposal sit with you? (and does it seem I’ve actually understood what you are saying?) Many thanks always

Excellent & enlightening, thank you very much.💖💖💖

We have to understand what’s keeping us from remembering!!!

This talk gives incredible insights into fields of reality that, up to now, was hidden from us! To me, it's more than fascinating!

This is an amazing debate/discussion and we need more of this

@philosophybabble

Ай бұрын

Thank you for your encouragement!

At 30:00 where the either/or question is posed, I would ask to have the memory of having the experience in the present moment, now. A memory of being present.

At 54:07 he is talking about interface into the nature of our reality and this is exactly what McLuhan's theories are about - the medium is the message. It's a profound aphorism but addresses many of the points made in this fascinating discussion.

Professor Hoffman is the epitome of a scientist. His vocation for truth is complete. I am sure that if tomorrow he was shown, beyond controversy, that matter is essential, he would accept it in a heartbeat. I hope that in the future he would bring things like the Markovian dynamics and decorated permutations to us in a more intuitive fashion. 99% of the people that see these videos don’t know what Markovian Dynamics are.

@philosophybabble

9 ай бұрын

Markovian dynamics is like playing hopscotch and thinking only of your next jump

I just enjoyed The Origin of Time In Conscious Agents -Donald D. Hoffman plus Levin clips of late and am looking forward to this interplay.

fantastic!! two of my favourite thinkers

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

Mine too!

two absolute legends speaking facts, love it 🫦

Thanks!

1:14:20 - love that analogy of truth

I have insisted for this interview of these two brilliant gentlemen's for lex friedman at his podcast months ago. Thanks lady

@beetlejuice3715

Жыл бұрын

Lex is a putz

❤ loved this !

Perfekt ASMR. Like reading an incomprehensible book back in the day.

Excellent. Great to have this awesome topic addressed in this conversation. P. Hoffman & Michale Levin perspective on the subject are away and ahead of mainstream thought . Greetings from Chile🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱. Btw subscribing to your channel.

@davidmadariaga9675

11 күн бұрын

wenaaaa, viva chile jsjsjs

@juanrojas7505

11 күн бұрын

@@davidmadariaga9675 wenaaa

I love donald and co, please rread The Physics of Consciousness by Ivan Antic.

@craigbowers4016

Жыл бұрын

I have not heard of that before, I will look into it now. Thank you. (Please do leave suggestions for further reading in suggestions! That is wonderful!)

@davidrandell2224

Жыл бұрын

“The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon. “The Unique and Its Property “, Max Stirner/ Landstreicher translation.

Brilliant. Can anyone reccomend the best concise introduction ( video or pamphlet) to Decorative permutations, scattering amplitudes , chase trains etc ? Gosh Id like to do a few mushrooms with these dudes. Respect. ps" perception of truth leads to extinction" reminds me of Nietzsche" the birth of tradjedy" , or is that something else entirely , perhaps Monkeys "Awareness of Vaccuity "

@harjotmahal8985

6 ай бұрын

I like the Buddhist idea that phenomena are self liberated due to the presence of awareness

You had me at decorative permutations

They do but conjecture. P.s. reading many of the comments here you would think that this kind of discussion is actually some kind of new religion that people are enamored of. But a cautionary note here folks, mind candy can be addictive.

I've often asked myself if two heads are better than one, is that why some of us are better at problem solving and analysis than many individuals. Conflicts in the mind can lead to a balanced hypothesis... For some of us.

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

Not two Heads, we have two Hemisphere which mean, if anyone of those damage we still left with one that could function!

@simesaid

Жыл бұрын

​@@philosophybabble The commentator was making a pun. "Two heads are better than one" is a idiom in English language, and simply refers to the point that two people are more often able to solve a problem than one person is. The commentator was riffing on 'split brain' surgeries (mentioned by both guests), wherein patients wake from their anaesthesia to find that "they" now have a twin persona - one that often holds very different views than "they" do (it is, of course, impossible to determine which was the pre-surgery "original"). The commentator was wondering whether people with good critical analysis skills are more adept than others because they have a more well-balanced brain - that is to say, because they tend to interact with, question, and ultimately argue against, "themselves" more than others do. It's a question that I would answer in the affirmative. As the Dunning-Kruger effect clearly demonstrates, the more certain a person is in their subjective knowledge the less they will objectively know - questioning oneself is thus an essential tool in solving complex problems. Moreover, it is not at all a trivial task to learn good critical thinking, as the dominant left hemisphere of the brain has no natural desire to forego its self-proclaimed intellectual mastery! And as to your response, no, the brain doesn't work like that - a very small trauma to one area of the brain can quite often lead to major cognitive dysfunction that cannot then be remedied simply by severing the corpus callosum. Michael and Don simply raised the topic to demonstrate that _whoever_ it is that we think "we" are, we are _not,_ in fact, whoever that person thinks "we" are! 🤷🏻‍♂️🙅🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@simesaid

Жыл бұрын

I concur unreservedly! Or at least I thought I did... Sigh 😕

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

@@simesaid 😁😆😆

At 31:50 Hoffman talks about Agreements. We can apply Aumann's Agreement theorem and related ideas to this and make a lot more sense of how required consensus is at the root of our "objective reality".

Since we don't have a good intuitive understanding of physics at the fundamental level where space & time don't exist, & we have no idea how space & time emerge on our level in classical physics, how do be we know that there aren't structures at the fundamental level that are extremely analogous to space/time in classical physics that fully separating what exists in classical physics, merely a shallow interface, from actual reality at the fundamental level to be possibly a dangerously presumptuous mistake?

Thank you so much for offering the platform for those brilliant spirits to reach us. I'm grateful to come across these talks. If schools would just skip a few hours of grammar and math and replace them by these talks, it would be so beneficial for humanity. I grew up in the pre-internet era, and I was conditioned to think otherwise. They had me wasting so much time. I have some catching up to do.

Donald Hoffman is brilliant.

@grosbeak6130

Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with you being a fanboy of Donald, but could it be that you are easily impressed?

@glenemma1

Жыл бұрын

@@grosbeak6130 Well, I'm not going out of my way to be difficult to be impressed. I am impressed with Donald because he is truly a scientist, seeking the truth and not preoccupied with defending a particular world view. He is capable of observing and researching and changing his mind. A lot of ''scientists', ironically, can't do this.

@grosbeak6130

Жыл бұрын

@@glenemma1 okay, well said and fair enough, but Donald and Bernardo and the like offer very clever ways of thinking or mind candy which I personally don't find really all that solid i.e. their thinking or philosophy does not have any ontological certainty or status.

@glenemma1

Жыл бұрын

@@grosbeak6130 I think Donald would agree with you to an extent. He himself says that his theory is almost certainly wrong. He adds that his students will find answers. Donald's major contribution is to be a scientist who seriously looks at the premise that Space and Time are not fundamental. We are all children at the moment playing in a sandbox in dealing with this. But everything begins with baby steps.

@rockapedra1130

Жыл бұрын

Donald Hoffman is incomprehensible.

Too bad about the sound quality and how keeps cutting out on this great conversation.

Mega ważne. Obejrzyj nie raz a parę razy.

omg ty so much

I really like the soup story...

High! It's 420 am from Oklahobo

Plato was absolutely correct. So is Qabala. There is mathematical realm of perfect form outside of space and time in which all of the material realm derives from. So western science is finally caught back up with where it was 2500 years ago! I am so thankful everyday that this information can finally be shared without having to be burned by the church.

@losgrillosloopeandenoche9754

16 күн бұрын

Im going the tell the pope.

Advaita of Upanishad spoke of consciousness at least four thousand years ago.

Best discussion in this subject I have heard in while! Thank you.

@philosophybabble

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Gravity, space n time comes it's a phenomenon.

The Space-Time construct is an added semantic component to phenomenal perception by the mind. The modern human brain’s abstract mentation abilities is the basis for language and concept formation among other things like an ego or illusory sense of personhood. Sensory perception is filtered through the lens of the thinking mind. Direct perception is possible but is a further refinement of one’s neural network.

The lack of an entropic-arrow of time in Markovian dynamics of conscious agents makes sense to me. Just as Copernican astronomy simplified celestial calculations, this seems logical.

The great thing about Donald Hoffman is that he explains some CTMU concepts and implications in an understandable way (or sometimes John Wheeler's ideas).

Where can I find you papers so I may read what you are stating.

Common sense is the behavioral disposition that keeps an organism in balance with its environment. An example of this common sense can be seen in evolutionary behavior: Organisms that live in water developed their anatomy differently than organisms that live outside of water. Another prism of common sense is day-to-day behavior, For example, each organism, according to its physical capabilities, obtains the resources it needs to survive. Now, consciousness appears when common sense interacts with sensory experiences. When we talk about consciousness, we are aware of something, for example: We are aware of what we see, what we hear, etc... But to be aware of something, you must first perceive it; And if the organism does not perceive anything, there is no consciousness about that something. The sensory experience of sound begins with the interaction between audible waves and the receptors in the ear. If we combine the audible experience with other senses, such as touch, we can conceptualize increasingly complex ideas such as distance, space, even time, etc. I believe that as long as there is an organism, receiving and processing information from the environment, we call that cycle consciousness. And the more complex the organism, the more complex its consciousness.

I want these topics studied and discussed in regard to chakra's.

Wondering if there's a relationship between the various combinations of uncertain, stochastic and chaotic dynamics and power sets relate to the structure and processes of the Mandelbrot set and the binary processing chains of the Hopf bifurcations. At a certain point, the M-set may serve as an embodied brain filter to capture vast computational relations and sort into IN-set and OUT-set, depending on how deep in the MSet each computational pathway can go during the synchronizing timeframes dictated by the need for immediate action. With enough available time, it becomes possible to enter into virtually infinite imaginal universes of thought (going down the rabbit hole, in some cases) governed by the infinite recursive representational logic of the MSet.

Two great candidates to sit on the presidential ufo disclosure board as outlined in the 2024 NDAA legislation

Thank you my friends. I love God Father *Elohim * , I love Fire Energy "Holy Spirit ".

So using Donald’s’ framing, what is going on where ‘object permanence” doesn’t take hold by 3 months and becomes permanently unstable rather than stabilising? Why is the ‘ programming ‘ going wrong and how should we view the problem, anew? In light of Donald’s theory about recreating objects every time, what does his theory tell us about object impermanence ? Is there something new to be understood in the outcome, in the the malfunctioning ? Should we understand it differently from what Psychiatrists understand currently? What would Jean Piaget need to know to understand object permanence differently if these “new” meanings of “ object permanence” were available back in time, if we can even refer to the past that way now, but of course, that’s another ball game.

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/n52o2ZSRk7u_aZs.html

maybe consciousness is a kind of 'Intelligent Algorithms' which is 'intangible' as the 'property' any kind of 'things' in physical realm.. this 'Intelligent Algorithm is not bounds to 'space-time' continuum just like the physical things.. and the phenomena that exist in spiritual or mystical domain or 'meta consciousness' is deal with this kind of 'Intelligent Algorithms'.. for example the incarnation is how the 'Intelligent Algorithms' from past be transferred to the next living things or how 'Intelegent Algorithms' that has 'particular purpose' can be transferred to non living things such as virus, amulet etc, or even Artificial Intelligence.. so entertaining 54:32 love to hear that kind of stories, thanks it make life so beautiful..🙏

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

Michael Levin have a great sense of humour, agreed !😄 Thank you for your comment. Welcome 🙏

thaml you- supercool

Great discussion. Tom Campbell describes something similar in his accessible MBToe trilogy.

Why are some parts muted??

We cannot use language to understand the universe. But it would seem that this is the foundational tool which we use to design any tool we use to search or understand. Understanding is circular by nature likewise all things. By language we achieve and by language we are bound. The beginning of understanding is also the end.

Wait a sec is that guy asking the question Willi ..is he on the panel? He needs his own podcast..too long interaction for a question.

Is there a version without the audio gaps?

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

I can't guarantee the audio version is better but there a raw uncut audio version on Clubhouse. Inbox us if you would like the raw material.

why are there times of no sound? almost seems like this video was censored

@philosophybabble

3 ай бұрын

It was technical issue with the connection

26:17 1:22:09

So Donald eternal life is the doll behind the pillow!!! Omg 🎉

Conscious Agent - I am one

1:41:05 - Donald Hoffman saying he will have a testable prediction of his theory. Someone, remind me when this paper gets published. This could be groundbreaking.

I think its bad that I was thinking for a few minutes this may be an AI generated video is there a link to the clubhouse?

@philosophybabble

Жыл бұрын

What make you think it is an AI?

There is a huge gap between physics and biology, but with computers and AI that gap could become smaller. I like the Wolfram Physics Project model, where time is simply the iterations of a simple graph. And all of space, energy and matter is that graph on the most fundamental level. Edit: Michael Levin mentioned a good point, that there is top-down control in the universe. And I think maybe even as true strong emergence, but then the Wolfram model can still be used by replacing the computational rules with for example a complex attractor which can account for things like top-down control and strong emergence. Regarding Michael's question about choosing between having a pleasant experience but no memories of it or only having the memory without the actual experience, I choose neither!

@sherrybutts5947

5 ай бұрын

Oh this is a great question!! No memory no experience!! Like a dream without a memory of it would suggest no dream!! How about past lives??? No memory no past lives!!! Omg !!!!

@sherrybutts5947

5 ай бұрын

This is the awakening of eternal life

@sherrybutts5947

5 ай бұрын

Could give new meaning to why the word “now” preceded the serpent in the garden of eden

titans! pillars!

As much as I'd like to "see" the world this way, since it has ramifications for life after death so to speak. But I can't rap my mind around it fully. I get that we really don't perceive reality as it actually is due to the limited perception of our senses, but that nothing at all is real is a bridge to far.

You know how when you get a energized feeling from discovering something new about yourself or your environment? I think... maybe "reality" has some to do with novelty.

54:18

The payoff functions are not generically chosen. They are selected for environmental fitness, which exists at the fundamental level of objective reality

Am having doubts about the liver being intelligent like the brain, also multiple separate conscious agents don’t seem to be equivalent to one singular conscious agent

@philosophybabble

9 ай бұрын

When Levin say the liver is "intelligent," they don't mean it in the same way as the brain's intelligence. Here's what they might mean: 1. Adaptability: The liver has an amazing capacity to regenerate. It can grow back even after 75% of its tissue is removed. This adaptability is a form of "biological intelligence." 2. Multifunctional: The liver performs over 500 different functions, including detoxifying harmful substances, producing important proteins, and helping with digestion. Its ability to manage so many roles could be seen as a form of intelligence. 3. Responsive: The liver can change its function based on what's happening in the body. For example, if you eat something sugary, your liver will work to process that sugar. If you consume alcohol, your liver will work hard to detoxify it. This responsiveness to body needs is another form of "intelligence."

#Reality #SpaceTime Scales of SpaceTime #FundamentalObjects #FundamentalLaws #FundamentalReality #Evolution #Neurobiology #RER #ReverseEngineerReality #Entropy #Markof #Agents #DPs #DecoratedPermutation #ConsciousAgents

If our reality is a simulation, who authored the scenario characterized by life forms engaging in predatory behaviors, where survival is contingent upon hunting, consuming one another, and the emergence of malevolent actions as a consequence?

What is Hoffman talking about?

The sound quality is low and I am trying very hard to not let the small "hiccups" get to me.

@philosophybabble

Ай бұрын

Very sorry about that.

Knowledge, deeply mixed with with arrogance...

Someone needs to tell Don that GTA isn’t a racing game 😂

Holy crap.

Help me to understand. If Don's view that local reality is false and there is really no moon or sun until you look at it, how do physical objects still effect the visually impaired? How are they rendering the wall in front of them? This is testable even by yourself. Walk around blindfolded. You are obstructed by physical objects that you've never previously created a story for or visually rendered.

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5 ай бұрын

Don’s model suggests that what we perceive as reality is a ‘user interface’ hiding a more complex underlying reality that we cannot directly perceive. Objects like the moon or sun are not exactly as they appear; they're more like icons on this interface. For the visually impaired, their experience of reality is still valid and real within Don’s framework. They perceive the world through a different 'user interface' - one that relies more on sound, touch, and other senses. The 'wall' they detect, is still an interpretation of underlying reality, just perceived through a different modality. When you walk around blindfolded, you still 'encounter' objects because you're interfacing with reality through other sensory inputs. Don suggests that reality exists beyond our perceptions but is interpreted through our sensory 'interfaces', whether visual, auditory, or tactile. Hope that help! :)

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