"we investigated ourselves and we did nothing wrong" This is why all workers need Unions to fight crap like this

@machintrucGaming

17 күн бұрын

But the union here did pricesely nothing.

@ViktorFromDK

17 күн бұрын

​@@machintrucGamingdid we watch the same video? In the video I saw the Union has done a lot and is still fighting back

@cathylin6140

17 күн бұрын

@@ViktorFromDK they didn?T

@BooksAce

17 күн бұрын

@@ViktorFromDK after 2024, after all media attention came to it. Nothing beforehand. What of the previous employees, who had raised complaints?

@dennissalisbury496

9 күн бұрын

Typically, saying anything that compromises corporate management will get you fired immediately.

As long as there are no criminal consequences, Boeing will never change

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

they got away with criminal consequences, just like with the rest of the world would. the world will never change

@Idonotwanthandle

16 күн бұрын

Nah, money is much more important than few dudes in prison.

@craigbeatty8565

16 күн бұрын

Of course not. Just like we as individuals won’t change.

This shows their profit over safety approach very well.

@buenos4799

17 күн бұрын

it's not profit for the shareholders, rather careers for the managers.

@benchoflemons398

17 күн бұрын

@@buenos4799Exactly. Boeing managers are hurting shareholders. The incentives are misaligned

@gregculverwell

17 күн бұрын

At this stage I don't think management is trying to maximise shareholder profit, they are working to maximise their bonuses.

@grandnagus5851

16 күн бұрын

@@buenos4799 Without profit for the shareholders, the managers don't have careers !

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

alot of companies show their profit over blah very well not just boeing

When one of these flying coffins goes down, don't say we were never warned.

literally watching this video while flying on a 787 with its wifi. imagine if i played this video out loud.

not surprised

Retaliated? They shot the guy in the hotel parkinglot in Charleston SC.

@tsuchan

16 күн бұрын

That's my hunch too.

@craigbeatty8565

16 күн бұрын

Really? Have you provided your evidence to law enforcement? A very provocative statement.

@CubicSpline7713

16 күн бұрын

You were there in the parking lot ? Well you should submit your evidence then.

@alexdasliebe5391

13 күн бұрын

Don’t forget the other whistleblower who died of an infection.

We have investigated ourselves and we have found that we have done nothing wrong!

At this point refusing to fly Boeing planes is certainly the right cause of action. At least in the future. This 'safety' approach is rotten to the core. As much as I personally hate red tape, I am a programmer and don't work on safety relevant stuff. These procedures were put into place for a reason, like that stress on material was simulated, and if you use more force in alignment than assumed in the simulation that's invalidating the simulation and not going to go well long term. The problematic part is that these kinds of failures are not predictable (if not aware of the shortcuts that were taken) and often happen at a later stage in the product lifecycle, so depending on when this happened, we're yet to see the magnitude of these issues. Potentially all Boeing airplanes that were subject to these shortcuts (which may be hard to trace, so potentially one has to consider all manufactured planes during that time) are ticking bombs just yet to go off. Which would ruin many companies on top of Boeing (Boeing users or their insurers). What the hell OS wrong with these managers. I know shortsightnedness is a common affliction amongst some managers, but that magnitude... The ironic part is that they did it to boost production, so the very reason they did it serves to increase the magnitude of the damage caused.

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

17 күн бұрын

What is a cause of action?

@9SMTM6

17 күн бұрын

@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 ChatGPT is good at explaining such phrases. > A "cause of action" in legal terms refers to a set of facts sufficient to justify a right to sue to obtain money, property, or the enforcement of a right against another party. [...] It encompasses the legal reasons for which a party is entitled to bring a claim against another. New to me that it actually comes out of legal practice, but its also somewhat common in normal (ab)use. Of course I don't intend to litigate against Boeing personally, I just make choices according to my judgment of their actions. Such as not flying Boeing.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

Why should the action of refusing to fly Boeing be the case now?

An engineering culture begins at the top, so until Boeing puts qualified engineers in charge at every level up to the top, there will be continued intractable infighting like we're seeing now.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

then make sure they go do that then

@soccerguy2433

16 күн бұрын

Dennis Muilenburg was an engineer He received a bachelor's degree in Aerospace Engineering from Iowa State University, followed by a master's degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics from the University of Washington.

@buenos4799

13 күн бұрын

@@soccerguy2433 there are a lot of people who have engineering degrees, do engineering for a year or two then they are propped up as managers. A degree does not make someone an engineer, hands-on experience does.

Should never have merged with McDonnell Douglas. Still don't understand how they could join forces with the company that built the reviled DC-10.⚰️☠️ If I have to fly in the future, I will only travel on Airbus jets. The fact that a whistleblower was murdered during his testimony, appears to have been swept under the rug. I mourn for William Boeing, Bill Allen and all of the people who dedicated their time, energy, talent and lives to building some of the most beautiful, state of the art jets in the world. ( I love you 757 !!! The flying sportscar !!)🥰🥰🥰🤗✈️ I'm angry at whoever allowed this merger to happen and gave permission for the McDonnell Douglas merchants of death, to infect such a wonderful company.😢😢

@x77punk77x

13 күн бұрын

And another whistleblower - only 45 and very healthy - dying from a strange, fast-moving infection. Too much sus

Boeing, we hear nothing, know nothing! It was the big boy down the street that done it

Their names are likely on the 'car park' list

Whistleblowers being retaliated against is a common theme. Even in government agencies like the FBI, IRS, National Security agencies, military, etc and there are laws to protect them.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

it happens all over the world to protect internal people in companies

To the surprise of absolutely nobody

Don't rock the boat in other words. Corporate bullying at its finest. Why would anyone want to work at a company like this.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

No one should work for any company that has corporate bullying. the world will run half of what its run today

The whole Boeing top needs to go.

@buenos4799

17 күн бұрын

At aero companies the low/mid managers and project leads are the most corrupt. The top are morons who have no idea what's going on at their companies. Personal experience.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

make sure they go and do that then

@tsuchan

16 күн бұрын

​@@buenos4799 If they should want to know, all they'd have to do is go home and turn on the TV news.

Think the unions should should explain to all Boeing engineers that public safety does not meet the threshold of "gag orders" on Non disclosure agreements...keep whistle blowing...

Whaaaaaat I can't belieeeeeve it 😲

Second whistle blower died in hospital cause got sick suddenly.

We now have two whistleblowers who died under mysterious circumstances. Dry bizarre

Douglas should have never merged with McDonald where this "don't spend and don't improve" mentality originated. This continuing mentality has now affected Boeing and will eventually kill the company since there no solution to change the board of directors' minds. Airbus rightfully wins.

@jaysmith1408

17 күн бұрын

Douglas had it down pat, McDonnell was a disaster. How Boeing got taken over by McDonnell Douglas, I haven’t a clue. The better company always seems to be taken over.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

Guess what. Boeing will not be killed off. if there is a lot of effort of Boeing needing to change then they may actually change for good. Airbus may not win if Boeing gets killed off as they too will follow suit and make mistakes

I would just stay away from Boeing at this point. Enough is enough!

The Boeing management clearly is: "Safety last"

It's not Boeing, it is MD. Boeing's soul died when the company left Seattle. It's not 737 Max, it is DC - 13

@EuropeanRailfanAlt

16 күн бұрын

DC-10 MAX 8

@tsuchan

16 күн бұрын

Probably right, but it will be Boeing's name on the bankruptcy petition. Arguably it lost its mind when it lost its heart and soul, and now it's lost its strength. Literally, actually.

The Boeing 787 plant in South Carolina is a text book case in retaliation.

The Boeing saga will go on for a long time. In the meantime, many are waiting for a Boeing 787 crash? What the heck?

So Boeing is investigating itself and saying everything is fine?

DUH. They prove time and time again they think profits are more important then safety.

What I think is that I don't want to fly on a Boeing.

What a crap company Boeing has become….

I was wondering what are unions doing out there at Boeing with everything happening? Aren't they supposed to stand up for workers?

@johnchristmas7522

17 күн бұрын

Depends on the supplements!!!

@ElectricUAM

16 күн бұрын

@@johnchristmas7522 True dat.

It’s really horrible status…it might be occur much more disasters in air frights! I’m now engaging in aviation industry, where we always relate with their products. Not only customers but also our colleagues could be involved with matters. I wish that they will share the truth of their production and improve worker’s environmental issues as fast as possible.

The problem can be summed up with one word. Union.

And so far their claims are groundless. 787s have flown millions of miles without a problem and are certified. If it turns out they’re just after personal revenge,they should be charged.

The rot goes deep, very very deep!

If it's a Boeing I am not going

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

dont fly then

@emanggitulah4319

16 күн бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 good luck for you then

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

@@emanggitulah4319 and good luck to you make sure to look at a flight radar to see the truth

@guillaumeromain6694

16 күн бұрын

​@@nickolliver3021 world has Airbus nicky. That's how I move continents. Airbus only going fwd

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

@@guillaumeromain6694 world has Boeing. That's how people move continents too you know. Boeing only going fwd

Airbus takes over the #1 spot. My future flights will involve checking the itinerary and aircraft being used. Engineers and all employees should be on the same page with management regarding safety. More work needs to be done in designed parts of aircraft before manufacturing

If one was a Boeing employee, the "Speak Up" process is like asking for a table at the "Red Wedding" (Game of Thrones).

Evil only pursue that which serves its interests- evil. That’s why it’s very crucial that necessary steps are taking to protect the engineers/whistleblowers. These victims are not fighting individual battle, they’re fighting for the preservation of humanity.

Until the Boeing Executive Compensation program is revised to reward meaningful company performance metrics over a long term moving average time period, rather than the stupid monthly and quarterly bonuses, harmful management behavior will persist. Under the current system, Boeing Comercial Aircraft division will not last 5 years.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

then go do something about it. Airbus commercial wont last 5 years under its current system either

Can anyone realistically trust anything Boeing management say? I have a flight coming up on a Max and seriously considering if I should change carriers.

When this countries Supreme Court ruled that corporations were people to. What they should have added, the most despicable sort of people.

The corruption of the corporate culture at Boeing is heartbreaking! This once great company has devolved into a Wall Street entity who ONLY purpose is to make money and the willingness to subvert everything to make money. They P1ss on safety requirements and, apparently, fail to do the required inspections or buzz through them without due diligence. I've worked on Boeing planes when Boeing was a respected company, but they are no longer a respected company.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

neither is airbus as they have the corruption of corporate culture. their once great company has developed into make money. They P1ss on safety requirements and fail to do required inspections or buzz through them without diligence.

Boeing is the most honest company I know next to the top 3 pharmaceutical companies

defend the 2nd so whistleblowers can defend themselves

Oh Boeing, you're getting pathetic

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

so is the world of politics

No evidence of retaliation? How about the dead whistleblower?

Boeing have sadly have learnt absolutely nothing from recent tragedies. The Dollar is all important and safety and quality control is nothing more than an inconvenience.

After decades and decades of the company dismiss issues brought up by employees the union steps up, where is local union 751 aerospace machinist union? It's not just the engineering employees but the employees on the floor of manufacturing whom also have had issues.

You don't need to be an advanced aerospace engineer, or even a genius, to grasp the reality of what has been going at Boeing. Quality and safety are not important because these things take time and cost money. And money in their pocket and shares value (many bonuses are paid in shares too, so that's related) is the only thing that interests anyone who has decision power at Boeing. Of course, anyone who fails to follow this straight line has a hellish life. This will not change unless there is a HUGE change in management, and the changes have been cosmetic and to pretend that something is happening, when in reality it's business as usual in the past 20 years. Building planes is a hassle and takes too much time, and Boeing management knows they can keep the ship floating for a long time by doing nothing and letting it go on. The US government will ultimately let things go on because it's in their best interest, or it will have to take the helm and of what remains to be seen. Boeing clearly knows that they will still get orders anyway, there's only another game in town and they have a huge backlog that only grows. What amazes me is that there are airlines still ordering Boeing planes, because at some point the Boeing brand can be completely worthless. And that point is not that far, or unrealistic.

@9SMTM6

17 күн бұрын

If the US government thinks that this same behavior is affecting their military aircraft, then I'd wager a guess that they'll actually put in significant effort into cleaning up. But yeah, as long as it's just commercial flights, going by how it went so far, I'd be very surprised if they manage to properly clean up Boeing management with the resources they seem willing to commit.

@ValNishino

17 күн бұрын

​@@9SMTM6 We don't know it's not happening to their military aircraft. Plus, military aircraft generallly have laxer safety standards, so what's acceptable by military standards would be completely unacceptable for passenger jets.

@jdcaldwell5088

17 күн бұрын

Nothing going to change with Boeing until a MAJOR crash happens sadly 😢

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

@@jdcaldwell5088 even if its pilot error that causes the crash

@jgnclvgmng5408

16 күн бұрын

@@jdcaldwell5088 Another major crash and there doesn't need to be a change. They're finished. Of course, they're going to blame pilots. They blame Alaska for incompetent maintenance for the door plug blowout. Surreal...

didnt you know? corperations are immune to government regulations.at least in their own minds.

Another man was taken down and made to look like he did it himself

@CubicSpline7713

16 күн бұрын

Rubbish.

The FBI should raid Boeing's computers and all files now !!

I will never fly on a Boeing aircraft, even if the airline gives me a 1st class seat free of charge!

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

17 күн бұрын

I’m guessing you don’t fly anywhere anyway

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

then dont fly on an airbus either even if the airline gives you a 1st class seat free of charge

Go Airbus!

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

go boeing!

@vs6300

15 күн бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 rip Boeing

@nickolliver3021

15 күн бұрын

@@vs6300 rip airbus

@vs6300

15 күн бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 Airbus is going nowhere. Boeing is headed down an abyss of no return.

@nickolliver3021

15 күн бұрын

@@vs6300 Airbus will fall if Boeing goes under. nobody wants that do they

Not surprising, they murdered a whistleblower and killed hundreds through negligence, nothing this company does surprises me except that they continue to exist.

If it's Boing I am not going

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

then dont fly

Seems like the Al Baker culture has left it's legacy even at Boeing.. problem is these ME airlines are buying more than they need and other national airlines can't flourish or start up, and they demand these aircraft asap, hence the poor manufacturing....

Just don't get on a Boeing aircraft, that's all I'm going to say

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

and dont get on an airbus simple

How sad to see Boeing go down the drain . Really no short term solution, the old Boeing culture needs to return

Funny how they just keep dying.

can you discuss on busy flights to malaysia because i usually see 2 etihad flights to kul but now 3 flights,and saudia has 4 flughts because of privilage,PIA comes once,shanghai and shenzhen airlines come two times,US-Bangla airline now uses the a330 to malaysia,i think there is a high number of people who want to go to malaysia

Oh yes, the land of the FREE. If you keep your mouth shut.

DON'T FLY ON A BOEING JET VERY SIMPLE GO AIRBUS❤

Boeing will teach those pesky union employees by looking the other way for profit over safety. If it is Boeing, I am not flying!

When you say, "Boeing retaliated", it is a lack of understanding how these companies work. Most likely some lower/mid-level projects leaders retaliated, not for protecting the company, but for protecting their own high-status careers. This situation happens regularly at all large aero companies. It is a result of the government mandating an authoritarian very hierarchical engineering team structure, specific paperwork bureaucracy (formal systems engineering and DO-254 pseudo-science) and project micromanagement with review/approved mini milestones. The final result is corruption at low levels of management..

it is a joke . pilot welcome pasager whit phrase " new type and build boing state of the art " . all pasager rush to get out except 5 . all be afraid about quality . this 5 was sure boing even take off . no hurry to get out

America: Congress defunds regulators to force them to let industry regulate themselves like auto and aerospace.

RIP. And we thought only Putin & Kim Jong-Un snuffed out their critics.

Boeings culture is rotten to the core - time to close the company and save lifes.

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

time to close airbus culture as thats rotten to the core. time to close the aviation industry to save lives

Safety and quality is 80% culturally based. And culture is driven from the top. Therefore Boeing is screwed.

Boeing fans have no shame. They will support Boeing no matter what .

@nickolliver3021

16 күн бұрын

even airbus fans would support them no matter what

This is sounding very ai. Please no

@LaczPro

17 күн бұрын

I don't think AI would do the things those executives do for profit

1st😂

@Southwest_923WR

17 күн бұрын

Dumb. Get a life.

Those comments came on the heels of the statement the Union released regarding the actual employee responsible for the below average work. "We have successfully mediated the issue with the employee who failed, repeatedly, to do their job correctly. They will receive a 15% wage increase, and will work a 32 hour work week, and their title will become Operations Manager, Manufacturing." "Also, we hope Boeing will be able to fire additional management that were not directly related to the actual manufacure of the airframe.

@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549

17 күн бұрын

The thing with averages is half of all employees will be below average

Typically, saying anything that compromises corporate management will get you fired immediately. Galileo set the standard for speaking out against the establishment. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei