When using a hole punch, you should use the end grain of the wood, I use a short peace of 2X4 about 1 " thick, this will give you a much better cut as well is a lot easer on your punch. I have a set I use for leather mostly and they are well over 40 years old and still very sharp. Never had to sharpen them. Thanks for the very good video will have to find the first one. I have a large amount of 444 brass, so is nice to know.

Oh man... You boys just made me and my boys so happy...I can shoot my 444 and now I finally have another use for the case...I cannot find any 410 shells at all, but boy do I have 444 Marlin. Thanks so much and Happy Thanksgiving.

Awesome shop you have there. Thanks for the info.

You did a right Nice job on those .410 brass shells ! Glad I found you on this KZread thing ! Look forward to seeing more of your Videos ! Take Care and and Be Safe

You can also use a deburring tool on a 44mag or .444 case to sharpen the edges and use that as a punch for making over-shot cards. Makes for a far better fit.

@user-dm1tv6nl2e

2 жыл бұрын

That makes sense. Use the thing you want to fill to make the card, guarantees (minus operator error) a perfect fit. Noce

@oxliverracing

8 ай бұрын

303 or 9.2x72r if you want 3 inch cases

awesome video looking forward to part 3

Thanks for postin ! I was thinkin I wanted brass shells for my 410. Now, I know how to get them ! Thanks Dad !

I would just put a drop or two of candle wax on top of the over shot wad. You want a thin over shot wad so it doesn't affect the shot pattern. Test on a soup can Three to five pellets is good enough shot density. How far away you can get 3-5 pellets is your maximum range. Penetration of the metal can is enough velocity. Use same paper wad over the powder but use 2 or 3. Might try a felt wad for cap & ball revolvers over the powder. John Davis jax fl

Mighty fine job sir!👏🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

interesting...nice reloading room👍. Thx

I use clear silicone caulk to seal the overshot cards. Works great and is waterproof. Just get a small squeeze tube of it, and it will last for many loadings.

Thanks, very interesting and informative!

Thanks for the video and Geaux Tigers!

That was a bit painful, but God Bless you Sir.

Howdy neighbor! Nice video, I was recently wondering how well a .45 LC or a .410 would cycle through a .454 lever gun but I think you've shown me the correct answer: if you want to save a dollar just reload!

That's a heckuva loading bench there, buddy.

I’d love to see that part three and how these worked for you.

Using leftover caulking works to seal and hold overshot but I get rubber cement and mix colored dye to code what type of load. Out in woods I load derringer with non lethal rounds just Incase of black bear or unforeseen situation where lethal isn’t necessary. Wisconsin has badgers that avoid people but accidentally come between her and her baby and you’d wish she were only a bear.

The old timers used bees wax from candles or talo to seal the tops of their reloads...simple and easy to clean out of the barrel when the time comes. Talo is best since it lubes ur barrel during the firing process but bee wax is a bit sticky and can be removed with a little heat.

Sorry, I do not own a 444 rifle, wish I did. I purchased these cases to use in my 410 shotgun.

What was your powder charge? I'm assuming your using the H110 you have there

I'll add a little advice on cutting your cardboard...First lightly sharpen your punch on a belt sander. (hold it about a 45 degree angle to your belt and very lightly touch to paper and rotate at the same time). Second use a plastic cutting board as your backing when you punch. If not plastic, use the end grain of a piece of hardwood. (Like a slice of a log). You will have a much cleaner, sharper cut.

If you use gorilla superglue as a sealer, you can sprinkle a little baking soda on it and it will set hard almost immediately.

you boys ever make a 45-70 foraging shot? for use in a trapdoor or lever gun? any thoughts or recommendations?

Would love to come down and learn from this guy thanks for sharing this.

I see a lot of people asking about wax to seal the shells. I've tried that and honesty it didn't work well for me. It has a tendency to shrink and it becomes kind of brittle when it dries. It can be kind of messy too. I have only tried paraffin wax, so maybe a different kind would work better.

I found part 1. do you have to resize these cases at all?

can you use a .44 Cal gas check for an "over shot card"?

I will visit !!

If that's the case they are using super glue you could water that stuff out dramatically with acetone and get the same result for less money invested in adhesive all you would need in the end was something that acetone would not dissolve and a glass eye dropper or something else that acetone will not to solve

Can one use petal wads in brass shotshells? I heard magtech brass for .410 is larger dia so does not work as well. Wonderimg how this works

even Elmer's glue should work and no expansion of the glue.

What is your charge for H110 for the load, please? Also, you can use Parrafin or beeswax for sealing overshot

@JohnB-dr8sk

Жыл бұрын

You would just use one that is rec'd for most 3" 410 shells and the amount of shot you are going to use.

If all that glue gets past that overshot card, you'll have a pretty effective slug.

@JohnB-dr8sk

Жыл бұрын

It shouldn't. It will just harden over top of the card

So, it takes no changing of the case itself? The 444 is essentially a 410?

@akimlettner2984

4 жыл бұрын

You have to take the taper out and make it straight wall.

What primers? Large... What pistol? Rifle? Does it matter much?

How do you use the brass and make .410 slugs?

Do those work in a 2.5 chamber only?

Show us how you load 444 for your rifle .

What size shot are you using?

i wonder. would it be a bad idea to take a flat bottom bullet and make it flush with the case ? and if some one has done that can some one drop me a link or something?

will these feed thru an ar style 410?

Will these fit in a judge?

How about taking the barrel and let a gunsmith put very light rifling into the barrel and I guarantee you this should improve accuracy. And that would make a hell of a 454 monster for the money and I wonder if you guys would think about trying 4570 on a light round.

Sir I liked your video but would like to see how to do it if you do not have a loading station for shotgun loading and also your punch you are using for cutting over shot cards will last and keeps it edge if you get a piece of 2x4 or other size and use the end of the 2x4 to cut with, using what you are will dull the punch and could even damage it if it is real sharp. other wise great video.

Hot glue seals overshot cards perfect, fast and cheap. Warm the stick with a lighter, dab on the top.

I reloaded some of these for my grandson's 410(yildiz 410 single), but am having trouble getting them to ignite. only got 3 out of 40 to shoot. looks like the primer(large pistol) sets too far in the primer pocket. all i get is a small dimple(light strike) on the primer. I understand that the large rifle primers set a little higher in primer pocket. Do you think it would be a problem using large rifle primers instead of large pistol?

@swbeene0747

7 жыл бұрын

Well, I went through the laborsome process of unloading and depriving all my 444/410 marlin reloads and reloaded 5 test cases with the large rifle primers. all to no avail--same outcome. light dimple on primer with not ignition. They may work well in some guns with longer stroke on the firing pin, but my grandsons yildiz 410 will not shoot these cartridges. too much trouble to mess with. The mag tech brass hulls do shoot well in the gun. Good idea but a no-go on the 444 marlin cases.

@swbeene0747

7 жыл бұрын

ok I'm answering my own questions as I go. Im not one to give up easily. I took .015 off the face of the 444's with large rifle primer and tested the empty cases to see if they would fire. some did, most didn't . So went back to large pistol primers(shorter in height, but softer metal in primer and viola, success) . So conclusion to this problem for my shotgun and 444 cases was, .015 off face to case and large pistol primer. I'll pat myself on the back.lol

@DirtRoadGroceryStore

7 жыл бұрын

I had trouble getting shotgun primers to ignite in my Yildiz .410 single barrel. The problem was inconsistent seating. The primers needed to be well and firmly seated to get 100% reliability.

@calebsmith9497

7 жыл бұрын

I have hate no troubles with magnum large rifle primers

@JohnB-dr8sk

Жыл бұрын

There's a guy in a video here on KZread that tested some 12 Gauge to 22LR and 9mm adapters and he mentioned that his Yildiz 12 Gauge Single Shot had issues igniting primers while using the adapters while none of his other shotguns have a problem. I would honestly dump that gun and get him a quality 410 like a used H&R/NEF Pardner 410 and your problems will go away.

are they dry yet?

Have you tried candlewax or beeswax to seal the shot card?

Were is part 3 of this you shooting them?? Looked all through play list ant seeing it

Where would I find load data for to use the 444 marlin brass as 410.

Were is part 3? I can't find it. I had a 444 and let me tell you it's one hell of a brush rifle. I shot a buck in the neck and it came out of that assend of the buck about 3 inches above his tail. He just fell down and that was it.

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I use Elmer's glue but use the same brass

Thanks a million for the. 444 Marlin to. 410 shotshell series. I have fireformed. 303 British to .410 shotshell. I have trouble with some of them keeping the action from closing well. Do you have any of that sort of issues? Do you ever slim the rim?

@ericjones3146

2 жыл бұрын

Did you resolve this? I think the rims on the rifle brass need to be thinned from inside edge (opposite of headstamp side.

@michaelpriest6242

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericjones3146 I did not. I now use .444 Marlin brass for "standard" (2.5") shotshells and 9.3mm × 74r brass for "3 inch magnum" shotshells.

@johnblood3731

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelpriest6242 where do you get your 9.3x74r brass? Thanks in advance.

@michaelpriest6242

Жыл бұрын

@@johnblood3731 I bought it on a website that specializes in auctions of sporting goods that empty brass.

That overshot card can not be 1/2 inch if it fits inside a .444 casing. I know the .45 colt case fits the .410 chamber, and the bullet is a damn tight fit through the barrel. .410 is a .41 cal bore. You can actually shoot the .444 Marlin through a .410 shotgun,, but it better have a beefy barrel. That's a lot of pressure there. If the .45 will go through, There should be no problem for the .444.

@normankaster917

2 жыл бұрын

I've done it... Couldn't hit a 4x8 sheet at 50 yards

@timhallas4275

2 жыл бұрын

@@normankaster917 Yep, smooth bore barrels do not stabilize bullets. But if they have serious velocity it doesn't matter much. I shoot 45LC,44magnum and 444 marlin out of my smooth bore .410.The 45s and 44s are only predictable out to about100 feet, but the .444 marlin hits a 3 foot target at 50 yards every time. My homemade 400 grain slugs are nearly 1 inch long, hollow bottom, are more accurate yet.

@johnndavis7647

Ай бұрын

I would use a card over the powder, then one or two felt wads for 44 black powder revolvers. Then a card, then shot. Then card over shot wad. Any kind of glue would work to seal the overshot card. Some dry faster than others

You can cut the wads better on the end grain of a hard wood block.

Is there any sizing that needs to be done?

@burnsrandy

8 жыл бұрын

No. You do not need to size. Part 3 is done. It should be uploaded soon.

I put my old punch in my drill press

I CAN NOT FIND ANY PART 3

Would hot glue work as well?

@regularfather4708

4 жыл бұрын

Hot glue is what I use. Does just fine.

i dont see part 1 do you have a link please

I live In the same town lol

COOL,......

Best using a wad punch on a block end grain on.

Will the shotgun shells work on a marlin 444

@ians1464

3 жыл бұрын

The pressures are way lower in a 410 somewhere around 11000. The rim might be a little different so there might be feeding or extracting problems depending on the gun make a video

Eddy I have a marlin 410 lever. i would to have some of the shoot shells and slugs from a 444 case. Would appreciate if you could contact me about where i can get those. thanks

@kirkboswell2575

6 жыл бұрын

Judge Cleveland Jr. - If you are running those through a lever gun, you will want to put a slight roll crimp on the end. And if you are doing that, the glue step isn't needed with a properly full case.

I used bees wax.

You didn't mention how much wad pressure you used.

Héllo H110 quelle dose..svp..?? Merci..

Wouldnt wax work just as well?

@bobjones2500

5 жыл бұрын

I found wax too brittle

@regularfather4708

4 жыл бұрын

Wax is a process. Glue is in a tube.

It always perplexes me being a rifle reloader how shotgun people just throw their load by a pre-measured load by volume. In the rifle world we measure every charge by weight.

@imadequate3376

2 жыл бұрын

You and me both. I recently got into reloading pistol and rifle some time back and my grandfather brought me his old reloader from like the 60s and shotgun reloading stuff and I start reading load specs and I was like "what in the f**k is this?!" Through me through a loop 🤣

@ASimao71

Жыл бұрын

I reload both... And the charge by volume in the shotgun loads is possible because smoothbore stuf is so much more forgiving than the rifled stuff... Think of it like the blunderbuses of old times, you can even shoot sand, small rocks, nuts and bolts.... Even loading by volume with modern equipment is much more accurate a load than in old days...

@toml802

Жыл бұрын

Gonna have to see if I still have my old Texan reloader, restore it, and make some dies for .410! I have a micrometer adjustable charge bar.

Range test, part 3.. "How to make 410 slugs with gorilla glue"

Me podría decir alguien que prensa o reborde adora para calibre 4 10 no se ninguna marca o referencia

isn't wax good to use instead of glue ?

@texaschief8389

2 жыл бұрын

William, wax is good - depending on what type wax, intended use of shell, and storage. Paraffin wax (look in the canning section at wal-mart or also found in cake isle) is most common and easy to use. The method will be different (but faster than glue). Best practice is to make 2 or 3 seals with the wax - not all at once. Place enough to cover the "shot plug" and stop and let cool - not very long. If you are reloading a tray then by the time you get to the final round, you should be able to go back to the start and do the finish. Wax will shrink when it cools. So if you seal, let cool and return with a second or third "cap" it will fill the small voids created from the first layer of wax creating a better seal. Issue here in Texas is heat and that can cause issues with using wax. Either from storage (outside container reloading room such as in the video) or transportation/storage (in the truck) we can see temps well over 170. Melting point of paraffin is between 115 and 154F. Wax will also dry and crack if stored for extended periods of time, so you can see why he uses glue for his situation. Stored inside, used for winter hunts, used within a couple years - great cheaper option. Hope this helped.

@KNIGHTRACEDOTCOM

2 жыл бұрын

@@texaschief8389 Thanks for the information. Keep up the good work..

mag tech 410 brass cases are cheaper than 444.

@pacman10182

6 жыл бұрын

not any more via midway: magtech 410 hulls box of 25= $22..99 ($.92/round) starline 444 marlin brass box of 20= $15.99 ($.80)

@tylerdixon3290

5 жыл бұрын

@@pacman10182 I've been trying to find brass 410 shotgun shells but it seems like every place that I look has them out of stock or they dont offer them. Maybe it's a seasonal thing.

@pacman10182

5 жыл бұрын

@@tylerdixon3290 I think they're imported in large batches

@pacman10182

5 жыл бұрын

@@tylerdixon3290 golden bear 410's can be drilled out for 209 primers

@tylerdixon3290

5 жыл бұрын

@@pacman10182 what do they use normally, large pistol primers? If that's the case I reload 45 colt so I have the large pistol primers on hand.

So where is the part that shows the conversion of 444 case to 410?

@johnblood3731

2 жыл бұрын

a 444 marlin is the same outside as a 410 other than length. but the id is bigger. the 444 brass will last nearly forever as 410's whereas plastic 410 will last only 7-9 loadings. 303 british can be fireformed to use as 410 and 9.3x74 fireformen will be 3 inch length for more shot. take care.

What happened to part 3? You had my interest peaked.

In five hours he can load a box of shells

@Kawichemist

4 жыл бұрын

almost $5 per hour. Not a shabby job if you ask the jobless masses after Corona nothing burger virus.

Anyone have any idea what wad he was using?

@kirkboswell2575

6 жыл бұрын

Fat Dude - No, no idea. They were white, and kind of looked like Winchester wads, but there are several white wads by different makers. I wouldn't worry too much. If they are too long easy enough to trim with an Xacto knife.

@leealexander2394

5 жыл бұрын

I couldnt understand a word with his mumbling , stumbling speech. Thats exactly how Jimmie Carter spoke when he was president....Get a grandson to narrate your technique !

@0hug0a0dane0

Жыл бұрын

I could be wrong but it from the length of the cup n over all wad size plus the style of the shock absorber (or whatever you wanna call it) I'm going to say a SG 410 by ballistic products or a variation of it also very common wad for .410

hot glue works good for sealing over shot cards

@kirkboswell2575

6 жыл бұрын

Andrew Morris - Hot glue and Elmers will work, but they are too pliable. It will hang together and cause a "hole" in the pattern. You want something that will crack under pressure such as the old water glass, or something that will "burn" or evaporate under heat such as Duco hobby cement. Most anything that holds will work, but I like to strive for "better" myself.

Can't you use a hot glue gun? It drys a lot quicker.

use wax

there has just got to be a better way to load brass cases

This is ridiculous; you overloaded shot all 4 times, and arbitrarily shook some out. "About 3/16" from the top? You need to adjust your shot dispenser so that the right amount is dispensed, consistently. You are illustrating poor practice, with the result being shot-shot variation in pressure and in shot delivery. I appreciate that you are using .444 Marlin shells, but a nod to the fact that their capacity is less than that of .410 brass and plastic shells would be appropriate here, as would be a note on fireformed .303 British cases. I may sound strict on this, but reloading is no place for sloppiness, and variations in charge and in case capacity can be lethal to the inexperienced reloader.

@briannemec9214

5 жыл бұрын

One of the four filled "perfect" I would wounder why it filled different than the other three. It is amazing how many people reload and have no real concept of what they are doing.

@daneisenbrey9897

4 жыл бұрын

George Steele it dose not have to be that exact it’s a 410 not a rifle. This guy has probably been doing this longer than you’ve been alive if you don’t like it just move along.

@charleslaraby4748

4 жыл бұрын

Because it is a brass she'll the pressure is not as much of a concern as a plastic shell.

@MrGsteele

4 жыл бұрын

@@daneisenbrey9897 I doubt it - I'm 75 - and the reason I've made it this far is in part because I don't wing it when reloading like that. Yes, it's a .410, but would you load a charge in a rifle shell and then seat a bullet of arbitrary weight? Like substituting a 220 grain bullet for a 150 in a .30-06? The point is not whether or not a .410 would blow up; the point is that a video that treats charge weight or bullet weight casually is not a good, responsible model for new reloaders to emulate.

@daneisenbrey9897

4 жыл бұрын

George Steele You’re not comparing apples to apples 410 cannot be compared to 30-06 your pressure differences are not even remotely the same a couple grains one way or another in shot load is not going to blow up. But I am not advocating to just wing it read the manuals look at the load data over the past 40 years like I have 20+ reloading books compare all the 410 look at all of the pressures look at your wads Along with all your other components and make your own decision I am not telling anybody what to do but if they look for themselves they can see.

Now add 45 cal.Heavy Cast Bullets with a Rifled Barrel ? An for the big n bad ... Could even go 50 cal ??? Even 8 gauge industrial ??? Wasn't a 6 gauge industrial once available ?

So could you fire a 444 out of a single shot.

@PlainsmansCabin

5 жыл бұрын

Ray Morris No, the pressure would be too much!

@regularfather4708

4 жыл бұрын

James West did a series where he found an old 410 buried in the ground, cleaned it up and set about trying to destroy it by stuffing it with any ammo that would fit. 444 marlin went through fine. As far as I recall he never did succeed. IV8888 did a similar series, finally killing it with a 454 casull that was over loaded with the hottest powder he could find. The takeaway here is that a 410 single shot shotgun (assuming an appropriately beefy barrel) can digest anything that will fit in the chamber, within reasonable limits. Check out those two channels and watch their series on the 410. Its informative at the very least.

A 7/16 hole punch is more precise.

I find that Gorilla glue expands too much, better with an epoxy.

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Wow new reloaders DO NOT follow this guy he is an accident waiting to happen disregard his flippiant attitude towards loads and powder volumes DAMN!

You need New equipment

you lost me at the beginning then you said youtubers . Thumb's down . never will watch a video that calls a person a ----------------- .

@slntscpe

4 жыл бұрын

How about youtubinian?

I’m so dreadfully sorry to seem so rude, but this is probably the worst reloading video I’ve ever seen on the internet.