Cary, it was great seeing you at the show. Thanks so much for putting this together and for sharing your thoughts. For all the folks that are interested in the standard cabinet with coin door, I think you will like what we will be showing in the coming weeks. Thanks again!

@willierants5880

8 ай бұрын

Keep thinking outside the box! TPB is doing things nobody else is or has even considered. Mad props for that and the game looks fantastic. I saw it at TFP 2023 and WOW, what a difference. That said count me in as someone who would rather have the traditional cabinet. Mainly because I see that polycrab top as a liability that will scratch easily and cost way too much to replace. I also like the idea of a coin door and prefer the larger cabinets aesthetic. I can't wait to see you in Houston (if we go, not sure yet) or TFP 2024.

@adamstar7516

8 ай бұрын

$9700 is a crazy price. Needs to be under $8k. How many pins you think Mike at Homepin has sold? Don’t be a Mike.

@MidniteClimax

8 ай бұрын

@@willierants5880 Most the stuff they are doing has not only been considered, its also been tried. These guys didn't even know what a Zizzle was, which shows their level of knowing anything about the history of pinball, its mechanics or what has or hasn't been tried or will or won't work.

@S.J.C._Entertainment

3 ай бұрын

@@adamstar7516 not sure if you know but these are now cheaper then a stern pro.

Just a clarification…..Cary said the removable glass was “Plexi”. That’s incorrect. “Plexiglass” refers to acrylic (comes from an old tradename for acrylic sheet) and is now used synonymously with acrylic. The plastic that Turner is using is polycarbonate (PC) and it’s a completely different polymer family - has much high impact resistance than acrylic.

I know Chris Turner from college. I think he was a computer science or computer engineer degree if I remember right. Back then, he was working for Lockheed Martin and would compete in robotics obstacle course competitions. We also played Halo 2 back then, and he's unbeatable at Mario Kart. He's very, very smart. I remember his smart vending machines like 10 years ago and I'm glad to see he's still an entrepreneur.

Exactly! Pinball machines are LUXURY TOYS ....that's it.

I applaud the attempt at innovation. That's what we should all want. 100% agree on the "I'd rather spend the $20 then create another login". It AT LEAST needs a google/apple Pay ability. I'm a little shocked by the price.

My friend and I went to the Pinball Palace a few days ago and they had just about every Stern machine and even had older ones upgraded for app use, but neither of us used our Stern Insider iPhone app. We just played the machines and enjoyed the games. FYI: they have the fully modded Rudy's Nightmare 2.0 and Whirlwind Total Chaos pins fully restored and polished. I have never seen those in that good of condition. They looked brand new!

The price made this dead in the water sadly. No way can you justify spending over $9k for this when Alien Ripley edition for under $8k. Turner offered an arcade edition with coin door. So at least he listened. Have you tried a Venom premium? Would love your take on it. I played an LE and loved it. Thanks for the upload.

@ocaptainmycaptain6079

8 ай бұрын

Played Venom Limited today. Had 14 plays on it. Pretty much everything you want. So much fun!

9k no way, The cabinet reminds me of a home model.

I like the machine and appreciate the amount of time you spent talking to myself and my buddy. Can't wait to see what the arcade style comes out like at TPF.

Well said! It’s promising

Cary with all the content today !

Here in the UK, it’s rare that pinball machines on location take coins. Mostly, you use a stored value card for the whole arcade, which you tap on a device attached to the coin door. Or, alternatively, you have to download a dedicated arcade app. Mostly, I don’t carry cash, so having to change a note to feed actual coins into a slot feels weirdly antiquated.

It had some cool innovations, but the small size and lack of coin door is not good for me as an operator

Glass removal much like Heighway's Full Throttle motorcycle pin.

Turner pinball was the only one I asked that you look into while showing us the expo. The first time I saw it online it caught my eye because it was different. Now that I see why it is different I can totally say that there’s nothing wrong with new engineering of cabinets as long as the product can still compete along side “the norm” out there. For home use the smaller cabinet would be fine for me. For a route it would need a coin door and you could offer the app too. I think that app should be a product in itself that all companies that want to have their pins on a route use as long as the pin owner doesn’t get taxed for using it like credit card companies do to small businesses. The theme is different, but who knows till you play it.

What a Blunder... It looks like a Toy Pinball Machine from the 1979 Sears Christmas Catalogue. Put it in a real Cabinet ! Looks like a fun machine otherwise. Cheers

Thx for the video. I do agree but am a a little more cautious (still getting totally roasted on pinside for not hating XD). - -One "no go" for me is the lack of service buttons and reliance on an app for that (that is an additional app and not the payment app). That IS a welcome addition, but only an addition, since noone of us wants to have a "brick" sitting at home when the App is long gone.- (That one has been corrected, there is a fallback option/ no mandatory app.)

@sticks6541

8 ай бұрын

I thought the exact same thing, and with that app requirement this game deserves the hate.

@DSNadine

8 ай бұрын

@@sticks6541 I just thought I give my thoughts, since they are assessing and allready adressing all the feedback they got; that is the much more constructive way. And he allready adressed that there is a standard/ fallback option -no app required-, so from my point of view it is now wait and see and looking forward what's coming.

Thanks Cary

$10K for a home brew? Nah, I’m good.

That price though

The game shot ok but still needed some tuning especially with that left shot from the upper flipper.. the pricing is still too high for what ya get in my opinion but wow the accessibility and thought they put into the maintenance and servce is great!. I didn't get to see how it came apart.. i saw the handle/latch on the bottom of the cabinet bit wasn't sure how it worked. They aren't too far off for sure..but for that price i would spend a little more and get Labyrinth especially for all the mechs and polish you get with that machine

keep it up Turner . but update the website looks like Todd Tuckey made it . 😅

Hats off for the innovation but... It’s already hard to compete against giants like Stern and JJP, at 9700$ I would rather buy a mature wide body game like Alien immediately.

I'm honestly impressed with what TPB is doing. I played it at TPF and this version looked nothing like it. What really like. I really REALLY like how TPB is thinking "out-of-the-box" on a lot of ways. They are doing things nobody is doing. From the playfield design, backbox, intranetworking, and plenty more. The game itself looks great. Again it's lightyears ahead of where it was at TPF 2023. What I don't like. The #1 dislike is the polycarbonate "glass". That "glass" isn't going to last, no way. Especially if this is on location. It's going to get scratched all to hell in no time. I like everything else about the glass and realize it won't work with heavy tempered glass. But it's not going to last and how much will it cost to replace? I can replace tempered glass for $50 and when cared for it will last a very long time. I also don't like that there's no coin door. PinApp? Oh no, say it's not so. I see forever feeds to use this, especially as an operator. I do see advantages and plenty of disadvantages. Ugh, and the cost? Yikes... Yes, give me the option to buy it in a traditional cabinet. The higher cost also tells me that that polycarb top is going to be Expensive to replace...

Why a coin door? Just add a credit card reader. Turner seems to want to innovate, so innovate. Less and less people carry cash, and no one any more walks into a bar with a pocket full of quarters.

A local streamer Pinball Club(in french)which was at Expo said that it was a big NO. He did experience some lag both when engaging the flippers and releasing Them. I was with the impression it would have been priced around 5k before expo. Now this for the price of a premium.....the glass with integrated leds is interesting though.

Agree I hate just about ANY product that I have to download an APP to use.. boooo

@TurnerPinball

8 ай бұрын

Just to clarify, the app is in no way required to use or maintain the machine.

What they need to do is get a licensed theme. Get a licensed theme. Add 2 proper toys. Release at $8k and they will be millionaires in a year.

Wow! I was a hard NO when you said that price! Sounds like a money grab...I hope Stern doesn't get any ideas here.

lol, my last name is turner.

$9700 dollars? Like USD? $1000 cheaper and I get the arcade version? Yes please. Take another $100 off and I'll think about downloading your app too even though I wouldn't need it. Oh, and another $30 for the PinMonk quiet fan mod. FFS...

Like the idé- price no way, they should go for cheaper home market users.

So there some major problems with this, is there a way to service the machine without the app? If not then this game is gonna be worthless when eventually pinaccess is shut down (which will someday happen). The price they want coupled with stupid app requirements make this machine a no-go

@TurnerPinball

8 ай бұрын

The app is not required to play or maintain the machine. It just makes it easier to navigate menus and access features if you choose to use it.

Good on these guys for innovating pinball. They are open to making the ‘old style’ cabinet if you listen to their Expo presentation. That would take about $1000 off the price I believe. Meny saying they shouldn’t be at Expo and Neil McRae calling them looney is total BS. Sad really. Go Turner Pinball!

I saw it at Expo and lost all interest when I heard the price.

Wow, the amount of "man, it looks like a kid's toy" comments here shows how stifling to innovation this hobby is. Bros, the cabinets on pinball machines are wasted potential. The massive cabinet that houses the playfield has too much empty space. Even the backbox, without an arcade setting and needing it to attract new players, is mostly an empty cabinet. And then the new Sterns have those stupid briefcase clips on them for the lockdown bar... Now, I get it in terms of price. But I love the approach of less hassle maintenance and disassembly. If they could get the cost down to the price of a Pro or lower, then they may have something.

@S.J.C._Entertainment

3 ай бұрын

People really need to lighten up a bit. Pinball machines have basically had the same cabinets for 50 years. God forbid there’s some innovation for the things.

Differnt = bad in a well established form factor like Pinball (I mean, people still think Multi Morphic looks a bit wierd)... it's gonna take a lot for people to be comfortable with a new form factor.. having said that. Application to play = NO! poor user experiance, cant be spontainously played app may dissappear down the line / need to be updated obsoleting the machine for location play. Also, having used Plexiglass for a few projects... nope... not a good choice...

@TurnerPinball

8 ай бұрын

Just to clarify, the app is not required to play or maintain the machine. Also, we are not using plexiglass / acrylic, but are instead using polycarbonate. It is a different material that is much more durable. It is the material used in "bullet proof glass".

So if this game is on location, I can just reach down and hit the handle to lift the playfield glass? Won't that be bad having customers get into the game? Why do companies tout removability of the playfield and head as a good thing? You shouldnt have to remove the head or the PF on a new game. Maybe if it's 20 years old and you're doing a restoration but that's not gonna happen on this game is it... really? I want my head to stay on the game at all times. When Im transporting the game in a vehicle I wanna fold the head not have to remove it and have 2 large things to act as projectiles in the event of a crash. $9700? LOL Naaaa.

@CaryHardy

8 ай бұрын

There is a lock on the handle to pull - but no argument on anything else you mention.

$9700? Hard pass... $2500 maybe..

Cary, the playfield glass idea is not that great to be honest. Those contacts they use are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. Like most of the innovations here they have been tried in the past. The frame also gives an optical illusion that the playfield is smaller than it actually is. Most of the innovations are solutions looking for a problem. Some of them might solve inconveniences we bump into sometimes, but not all the time. Such as yeah, I've had to shimmy a game around to get clearance to slide out the glass, but its not a very common issue. So they've come up with these innovations that don't amount to much and very likely add new problems down the road.

@MidniteClimax

8 ай бұрын

I will say the game shot and played surprisingly well. It could use a little refinement still, but it was a decent game overall. Even in a standard cabinet this is nowhere near a 10k game, absolutely nobody would buy it, but at a proper price without these "innovations" they could possibly carve a small niche in the hobby. Also dump pinaccess, although I doubt that'll happen because it seems like Pinaccess is their endgame goal not actually making good games for people.

Based off what I just saw with that price……. They ain’t gonna make it. 😢

Don't understand the whole premise of the machine being able to be taken apart easily as the design/selling point. I'm not in the habit of moving my pin collection OR doing playfield overhauls on a weekly basis. The object is to play them. Not to move or disassemble them daily. $7k is laughable. More like $900. They are doomed. Arcade 1UP 2.0

What an out right Scam.