Yes, experienced the “stickiness” wearing the 58’s bracelet in hot, humid weather, so I switched out to a fabric strap for the summer. The bracelet does have more of a presence than the strap and might go back to the it in the winter, but the strap is so comfortable.

I have the Seiko SPB143. It was love at 1st site. Had to hunt it down for 6 months due to limited stocks because of the pandemic. I'm now guilty of wearing only the SPB143 since May of 2021.. my other seven dive watch are now relegated to being rotated on weekends. 🤣🤣

I may be wrong, but I believe they have to include a diver's extension on bracelets due to iso diver standards.

Great review and helpful comparison. Thank you.

I would highly recommend the sbdx001/mm300 clasp for your seiko. It gets rid of the divers extension and it adds on the fly adjustment. It is a very easy modification and I am able to wear my spb149 in any weather thanks to the adjustable length of the clasp.

@tickbacktime

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation! I have no issues with fit as of now but will keep that in mind.

Great Review! I have the Black BB58 & GMT, I want to add the SPB143 to my collection! I love gray dials.

@lanceoa

2 жыл бұрын

BB58 and SPB143 here… Match made in Heaven!

Nice review! I have a Seiko SPB 143 and absolutely love it and... I am considering to get myself a Tudor BB now

@maitrehg

3 жыл бұрын

Go for it ! It's a way better watch.

@theblackbayexplorer5026

3 жыл бұрын

The blue BB58 would be a good pairing with the SPB143

Its a tough decision, great review and very helpful, I think the only way is to see them in person and try them on

Spot on. I was wondering if mine was tight or loose not realizing it’s the sticky case back that made it feel tight. Now I get it. Thanks !

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

It's really quite a strange phenomenon! Granted, I've never owned a rolex which is pretty much the same but have gone through many watches in my collection and this is the first one to display this characteristic.

@littlejackalo5326

2 жыл бұрын

I'm confused. He keeps saying "flat links" and "flat case back," and I'm trying to figure out what other kind of case back and links there is. LOL. They're ALL flat.

Thank you very much Man. Helps a lot.

Great point about the bracelet stickiness. I can’t tolerate that sticky feeling either.

I very recently bought the Black Bay 58 Navy Blue on the steel bracelet to compliment a range of predominantly black-dialled watches in my collection that include the classic Rolex Submariner Date 16610 that I've owned for 19 yrs. The Tudor is a super, well-made luxury timepiece and I appreciate its rather understated blue dial and bezel compared to the 'bling-blue' ceramic of my Omega Seamaster 300. Like-for-like think of the Blue 58 as a more modern take on its original black and gilt sibling. The blue really pops in daylight or in well-lit rooms and a pleasure to wear. Although not quite up there with the Rolex Sub in the absolute quality stakes - but why should it when barely 40% of the retail price - go to an AD and try one on. In-house COSC certified movement, 70 hrs power reserve, staggering lume.... you won't be disappointed. It's simply in a different league to the Seiko on all counts, particularly the movement accuracy, build QC and sheer class IMHO.

@airborneSGT

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your feedback as I also have a 16610 and am considering a BB58

Nice comparison. The SPB147 is another one to cross-shop with the BB58 since it warmer in color with the gilt hands and indexes

@jimwatchyyc

Жыл бұрын

Bang on!

Uncle Seiko recently released a 1/2 link for the BB58. I ordered one and it is awesome. It changes the feel and makes it easier to get that perfect fit. Hope that helps.

@tickbacktime

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Will check it out!

@mrmagoo.3678

2 жыл бұрын

Uncle?..I get worried at the mention of uncles!..creeps!..the lot of them!!..EVERY uncle's a wierdo!..me included

That was really good to hear about the issues with the humidity, I often find myself thinking the same thing about some of the watches I own. Have you seen the uncle Seiko oyster bracelet for this Seiko ? It has a really nice taper down to the bracelet. Keen to give it a try.

@tickbacktime

Жыл бұрын

Just did a quick search and it does look great. However I have no issues with the stock bracelet so will probably not be trying that out!

Spb over bb58 all day every day

Agree that you can have both. I’ve got the gray slate bbb and the spb147. The 43mm Tudor definitely has more wrist presence, but the spb with the rubber strap is significantly more comfortable.

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man the slate bbb is a beaut! Any issues with the bezel corroding away? Read some reports on that at WUS

@anotherknight75

3 жыл бұрын

@@tickbacktime none at all. I’ve never taken it to the water though, another KZread reviewer had bezel problems after using it in the ocean. He managed to clean it though and fix it without taking it to the ad.

Thanks, I'm in S'pore too !!!

Tudor has nothing on Seiko as a watch brand. It may be trending now, but Seiko is an extremely important brand in horological industry. It is an independent brand (unlike Tudor), which builds their watches entirely in-house. Tudor is just sub brand (pun intended) of Rolex nowadays and is likely to stay that way. Nice watches, but for the price of Tudor I'd rather get a GS.

@JT050

Жыл бұрын

Bb58 still looks way better

@haydenstorm7517

Жыл бұрын

​@@JT050 in my opinion the seiko spb143 looks better in person. The bb58 is slightly higher quality in every catagory, but I was disappointed to see it and hold it in person. If the bb58 had a sunburst dial like the seiko and if it was 40-41mm and had a date window it would be a winner.

@davidwells3766

6 ай бұрын

Somebody couldn’t afford the tudor 😊

@AvidUTuber

5 ай бұрын

bb58 is an awesome watch, but for the price I'd go with a GS too

@AvidUTuber

5 ай бұрын

​@@haydenstorm7517a color-matched circular date window at the 6 o'clock for symmetry, 41-42mm 🥰

Great review, thanks! Both great watches for their price. On this particular model-line, Seiko did an amazing job. If this SPB had a Tudor logo on, would have increased the price to another level. Tudor has to improve their BB58 line and offer more color variants plus moving in the clasp from the BB58 bronze to all 58s (and not exploding their price to 4+K euros..). On the other hand: Seiko SPB145 line is not overpriced. You get a lot for your money.

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree!

@jicalzad

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know, if U ask me, I thnk there r plenty of BB 58 variants already. Not sure how long Tudor can ride the Black Bay wave before they need to create something newer/different. Having said that, I’m still saving up to buy a BB58

@maitrehg

3 жыл бұрын

In fact, the Tudor at that price point is a good deal. Almost Rolex quality. Ten times better than the Seiko.

@altbinhax

2 жыл бұрын

@@jicalzad Interesting point; the parent company sticks with a known model lineup and only makes incremental changes. Is Tudor going to follow by holding onto the Black Bay over decades? Seiko takes a different approach again spreading the 62MAS re-editions across a range of price points with different movements (6r35/8L35) ; clever marketing selling a similar watch at such different price points. But I guess a seikoholic would recognise the more presitgous model.

@steelsteez6118

2 жыл бұрын

The Tudor would never have end link wobble so there's no such thing as "if the seiko had a Tudor logo on it....". It would be a completely different watch at that point with a lot better QC and refinement.

Both nice hence why I have both. Good vid. In hot climates just wear on a nato, flat case back issue solved.

The new tudor blackbay is what rokex used to be love tudor have a few there beautiful no doubtalso have seiko pieces grand seiko is amazing piece the 4 season model stunning my son just got the new 2021 rolex sub date he loves it i wore one for years

One of the best watch comparison videos made . You brought up several worthwhile points that no one else has that make sense. And I agree with. Except "who has a better name"....i feel that Seiko is a more well known name even among people not interested in watches...non-enthusiasts. Everyone knows the SEIKO name. Tudor? Only enthusiasts/collectors.... Sub-d. :)

@tickbacktime

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words 🙂

Great review but for me, I kept the BB58 in gilt and sold the SPB143 due to the difference in fit and finish, but more importantly, BB58 is COSC spec where min is -1.5 sec/day vs Seiko's +22 sec/day.

@Apex_Apeq

Ай бұрын

& the price comparison? 😅 U can compare it with 28800bph seiko like any SLA series. It still cheaper than the Bb anyway. Dont compare the accuracy with this cheap watch 😅 the price is too far

BB58 sits small on your wrist, so you have a lot of strap on your skin. The larger Seiko case, means the strap falls vertical from the case without touching your skin and feels looser. You should try a regular BB.

@tickbacktime

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean. I did try the larger BBs and the thickness was too much for me unfortunately. I guess the ones with the "smiley" text are thinner and more wearable.

Subscribed, bro :)

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks alot for the support! Really appreciate it 🙏

I have both and I wear the Seiko more often due to comfort. Going to sell the Tudor and buy an Omega PO

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of doing exactly that! Only issue is I don't baby my watches so the tudor is not in the best of conditions 😄

@maitrehg

3 жыл бұрын

What a mistake !

@perudolux

2 жыл бұрын

For me the Bb58 is much more comfortable on the wrist. The Spb143 feels a little bit too cluncky at times

I have both the BB58 (black) and the SPB147. The BB58 is far and away a better built watch. The SPB147 was such a QC train wreck, it really shook my confidence in Seiko. I ponied up and bought the BB58 and never looked back. It's my daily wear at this point.

@Jack-tp5ji

2 жыл бұрын

QC train wreck? why? Just curious because i’m thinking about buying one

@flip97gt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-tp5ji misaligned bezel and hands. Bezel action is crap. Spongy with every other click muted. 1.0 beat error on the time grapher. Sent it into Seiko. They said everything was with spec. Worse watch I ever had.

@Jack-tp5ji

2 жыл бұрын

@@flip97gt Ok thanks Robert

@flip97gt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-tp5ji I honestly feel your money is better spent elsewhere.

@alexs7758

Жыл бұрын

Got rid of my BB58 Worst watch i ever had

Both beautiful watches but the fact that there is no date on bb58 is a deal breaker for me.

the extension is a must for divers.... when the divers wear dry suit, we need a longer length... but as diver, i would not use this when i am diving as i have 2 computers to bring with me when i dive :) unless the diver only have 1 computer, then this watch will be a backup diving watch

nato strap can solve the BB58 wearing sticky problem

I have the Black Bay and an SPB185. Both very different and executed well. The Seiko is more of a tool watch and the Tudor is a dressy play on the classic sub.

The spb with an 8l movement would be killer.

What do you think of the SPB143J1 vs the limited edition SPB213J1 white dial/navy blue bezel?

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

It's a color preference since the price is exactly the same, MSRP wise. However, the blue bezel is of a different material, similar to that found on the Seiko Monster SRP581.

@thomaskuhn6541

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up the SPB213 when it was released in July, had it for 3 days and returned it. The bezel looked black most of the time and was way too shiny for my liking and not enough contrast between the dial and hands. I ended up going with the SPB143 and love the look with the grey dial, the only other version of this watch that I would have considered is the SPB149 which is hard to find and seems to hold it's value a bit better in the secondary market.

I went to my favorite seiko AD and looked at everything from $500 to $10,000. Most of them felt pretty similar, and I liked the $500 one the best (Monster). Aside from GS, they seemed pretty similar. I tend to agree with the BB58 complaints (Gilt gets old, blue is overdone). I love straps (and have a drawer full of unused straps). Its hard to put my finger on it, but the subtleties of the fit, finish, and proportions of the BB58, along with the sublime sizing really stuck with me. When they came out with the brushed case and grey dial BB58 - I had found my watch. No bracelet or flat case back on this one. No doubt the grey dial Seiko is good looking too.

Great review. Just bought the JDM version of the 143 (SBDC101). Probably going to return it. Everything lines up and running at +6, but it measures 14mm thick for me, just unnecessarily too heavy. 7.25” wrist but still just so thick that it feels gaudy.

I think the “sticky” issue comes more from not having arm hair than humidity. Most men are not going to have an issue with sticking to the skin with a layer of arm hair between the watch and skin.

Owned the spb143 and just bought the bb. The seiko was too chunky, too top heavy and I found it to be uncomfortable. The bezel clicks were squeaky and there was a lot of play. The worst part was the accuracy. Was gaining 1 minute per day! Initially I bought the seiko instead of the bb, regretted it and finally corrected my mistake.

Thx for the great video👍🏼 U can buy bb58 with 4 times the price of this spb. many in these comment section are still comparing the accuracy of these watches. if you want to compare accuracy, you'd better compare with the 28800bph seiko with some SLA series. Why compare the accuracy when the two prices are very different. duhhh 😂. Just thx for them for build a cheaper & beautiful watch for this price range. No other brands can make a watch that worth like this. If there is, the price they sell is really expensive for a watch like this SPB 😅

I have seen and felt both, that Seiko is the hottest in that price range and best looking in its series IMO, but if you look closely that Seiko has alignment issue on indices, look at 6 marker you will see the issue with your naked eyes

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

hm, I'm looking at the watch now and don't really see any issue with the 6 o'clock indice, but wouldn't be surprised one bit if it is indeed misaligned!

@littlejackalo5326

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't. I just slowed the video, took screen shots of when the watch face was parallel to the camera lens, zoned in and examined it, and it's dead on. You're just seeing off angle errors or parallax errors.

@carzakone333

2 жыл бұрын

@@littlejackalo5326 no, I have seen a few times already in person at shops

@wintermute8315

Жыл бұрын

@@carzakone333 But you implied it was an issue with the example in the video.

The black bay has no date/day complication? That’s a NO for me

No that is not right . the tudor bezel does not have ceramic ball bearings in it . It is 4 small springs one of them has the wedge on top that makes the click and a steal retention washer on top.

If the BB58 bracelet feels sticky for you, I assume all the oyster bracelets from Rolex will feel the same…?

@benjaminkenny8492

Жыл бұрын

Good point🤔

Ive owned both watches but the blue version of the Tudor. For me the seiko brand is more recognised and well known, Tudor is not well known and lots of people mention Rolex family etc which is awkward because they will think why didnt you just buy a Rolex. The snowflake hand is ugly imo. The tudor feels great on the wrist and is well made. Thr Seiko is the better buy overall and i find it does look better than the Tudor.

I'm sure a NATO strap would get rid of that stickiness.

For the value Seiko beats the Tudor

My Blue black bay 58 has a misaligned bezel

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no. That's pretty unfortunate. RSC should get that fixed under warranty.

@mentalplane

3 жыл бұрын

@@tickbacktime i hope so

Lol you keep saying about the bracelet sticking to your skin, why don’t you just change it to a nato strap???

Compare the tudor to a sla043, and the seiko is miles better. But it's only a seiko I hear you cry . Seiko are one of the greatest watch brands ever , and their high end sla models beat the likes of tudor easily. The sla models are basically grand seiko quality watches.

The seiko would be a good beater

Wrist size?

@tickbacktime

2 жыл бұрын

17cm.

Seiko hands down

Wearing it too tight. Try a year where you can get the tip of your ring finger under the clasp. You'll never go back.

No date otherwise i would buy

Tudor!

The Tudor is simply more elegant

I just can't seem to understand how Seiko could not put the design on the crown for this $1200 watch. And yet they can do it for there $500 seiko watches. To say it cost cutting is a cop-out. Don't get me wrong I like the watch. But it's definitely not worth $1200. Seiko is so highly overpriced now a day. So much that many people rather go for an Orient watch. Even if they are owned by Seiko now.

@haydenstorm7517

Жыл бұрын

Personally I like the unsigned crown on the seiko. It gives it more of a vintage look which I believe is what seiko was trying to achieve. The "S" the seiko puts on their signed crowns is awful looking anyways.

Just let the hair grow on your wrist , and no sticky then 🤷

Seiko SPB185 is better than both.

misalignments of bezel and poor accuracy (15-20 seconds fast per day) had me flipping the SPB pretty quickly. I love the look of it and the drilled lugs are great though.

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

That's unfortunate! Seiko really needs to up their game IMO, especially with all these new microbrands coming out and offering a ton of value

@littlejackalo5326

2 жыл бұрын

I think the spec is +50/-20 s/day. So you were within the abysmal spec. LOL

Tudor is better and not so big

The Tudor is three times as expensive

@tickbacktime

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely! What I wanted to show is whether those who can't afford the Tudor could be satisfied with the Seiko. Thanks for watching!

@evh4611

3 жыл бұрын

@@tickbacktime I love my Seiko SPB143. Just as much as my luxury timepieces to be honest

@maitrehg

3 жыл бұрын

And ten times better !

@MrKacperk

Жыл бұрын

@@maitrehg bs

Spb143 is better than bb58

seiko >>>>>> poor man rolex

Seiko brand is superior

Both looking good but the comparo stops here. The Tudor is in another league.

Tudor is the better watch. I own both and for me, the seiko is more tool watch and the Tudor is more sporty (if you have the blue one).

Steinhart is better than these two watches because it's more affordable and practically maintenance free. And it's Swiss.

Il Tudor era destinato agli operai, adesso invece lo sponsorizzano con Beckam 😂👎👎👎

A seiko is always a Seiko. It should cost no more than £600.

@stormzybanksy

3 жыл бұрын

that is a provincial, stuck-in-the-past comment if I ever heard one. but I guess that should come as no surprise, coming from somebody who is hundreds of years old.

@manuel_winde

3 жыл бұрын

Santa- You’re going on the naughty list for trolling and being silly.

@papachung6639

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormzybanksy lol 10/10

@raka9

2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense

@littlejackalo5326

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when that Seiko looks and performs exactly like their $450 watches. Only the biggest fans can tell a difference between their 56 different submariner style watches, that range from $250-1250.