The fact that this is even a conversation speaks volumes about the Seiko value proposition.

@terrybabb2

2 жыл бұрын

Also hear that the Tudor bezel markings are fading after ~ 2 years of wear. Not all, but enough to make me put my BB58 plans on hold. Own and enjoy the SPB143

@surfmorworkless

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The Seiko being considered in the same ballpark makes it the winner for me.

@igorz.3972

Жыл бұрын

Haha. Tudor looks way much better, not comparable with Seiko.

@MrPhotographerDude

4 ай бұрын

@@igorz.3972 It doesn't look way better, it's just polished on the sides. The case of the Seiko is way more unique than the wannabe Rolex. Besides I'd rather have the Longines Hydroconquest than a Tudor.

I just got the Spb143, love it. I have owned many Seiko divers and this one is just right.

I just brought home the Seiko from my AD and I can’t stop staring at it. The case is so beautiful. The overall aesthetic is handsome and understated. And the steel color is just something else.

I recently ordered the Seiko. Tudor is not as nice looking and more expensive. And , yes I am Swiss.

@ahmadfarabi6234

2 жыл бұрын

for me seiko 143 , after rolex submariner no date 😁

@antonhallergren588

2 жыл бұрын

@@ahmadfarabi6234 the 143 is up there with the no date sub. I just don't know how I feel about buying essentially a 7s26 with a long power reserve in the 6r series for a 1000 bucks or so.

@ahmadfarabi6234

2 жыл бұрын

@@antonhallergren588 make sense buddy 👍🏽

@watchouch

2 жыл бұрын

Im opposite. I still in love with Tudor, just because I love how simple the design is. But it got your point

@onionjohnny6572

Жыл бұрын

Big deal you’re Swiss. The BB is a better watch inside and out.

Superb video. SO well done with all the specs and insights. I like the bracelet you've put on the Tudor. It makes me really happy that Seiko made such a great dial AND used AR coating on the crystal. They just nailed the value proposition.

Awesome video Anders; thank you. The Tudor BB has been on my want list for a long time; but the Seiko SPB147 (Brown and gilt dial) has me very interested. It is only available on a rubber strap, so is cheaper than the SPB143 and therefore even more within my reach.

From one dive nerd to another, I got into the watch game 2 yrs ago with my 1st Invicta pro diver. I was all things Invicta for a year until I started watching the numerous KZread channels on watch collectors. To say I'm in love with Seiko is an understatement. I just purchased my SKX009 2 weeks ago and I absolutely love it. I can't believe how my preference for watches quickly changed from Invicta which I rarely wear to Seiko. My wishlist is a King Seiko, Grand Seiko, and subsequently a Submariner date. Thanks for your reviews and I look forward to more video's in the future.

This is the best Seiko ever been produced in history. I can't believe how they sell this gem about $1000. It's enormous!!!

@BuckNaked2k

Жыл бұрын

It's a decent watch at $800.

Seiko has drilled lugs, and is therefore the winner!

Good video thanks. I've got the spb147 with the strapcode metal bracelet. Sensational. I can't justify the Tudor purchase now as I love the Seiko.

The exact comparison I was looking for, bravo!

Fantastic video!! Enjoyed it. I have owned both, and ultimately kept the Seiko (gray dial) and sold the Tudor. Granted, I didn’t sell the Tudor willingly. But the heritage of the Seiko is incredible and so valuable to any collection.

I bought the 143 over the 58. Price didn't figure into the decision. I just like the seiko better, And I don't resell watches.

@emmanueltsI5

3 жыл бұрын

same here. Just joined the 143 club and sold my Tudor BB41. The 143 is perfect for what it is.

@Momo_8k

3 жыл бұрын

How is the accuracy on the 143?

@FourThreeSeven

3 жыл бұрын

@@Momo_8k Something like -6sec per day. Fine with me since I usually don't wear a watch more than a day or 2 at a time.

@Momo_8k

3 жыл бұрын

@@FourThreeSeven I appreciate the reply. Tolerable, though I wish it was slightly more accurate.

@t.armstrong3119

2 жыл бұрын

Heck I'm thinking of selling my submariner over the 143, I'm crazy apparently.

The Seiko's dial and hands design is more attractive to me.

@Thankyou_3

3 жыл бұрын

At first it does feel Seiko looked better but as wrist time is increased then BB58 becomes so hard to beat for value. It ages so beautiful and it shows in size and thickness 39mm with thickness of 11.9mm.

@Sitdownbroski

3 жыл бұрын

That’s simply cause you can’t afford the Tudor, your mind is tricking you

@hendryongkowidjojo3523

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thankyou_3 do you experience it yourself?

@Thankyou_3

3 жыл бұрын

@@hendryongkowidjojo3523 yes, speaking out of true personal experience. The Seiko fit and finish above average but when you wear BB58 is much superior. Personally, I think BB58 is watch of the year for 2018, 2019, 2020 but Oris is coming up strong for 2021. Seiko fit and finish is very jewelry like quality is not a timepiece quality. Hard to explain but you have to own it to tell the difference.

@cy4624

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sitdownbroski what a moronic statement from someone who prob. owns one Tudor and think you can flex..people who own collections of PP, AlS and the likes collect Seikos..have 3 BB/many much higher brands and seikos get more wrist time..

Both great pieces - thanks for the look/comparison Anders 👍

Wow just the comparison I was looking for! Thank you.

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Richard. I'm glad you like the video and I hope it is useful for you. Best regards, Anders

I think the seiko spb143 has become my grail watch... not so expensive that it will give me anxiety, maybe not so accurate and the weird flat lug/end link interaction, but it is such a good watch...

The SPB143 gives great value and good looks for a fraction of the price of the Black Bay 58.

As always, an engaging and interesting video.

Both awesome well designed. Tudor just gorgeous classy early James Bond classic look - hands and indices super visible/functional. Seiko tank tough - screams diver tool. Both winners - buy what you like best!

@samuelball8775

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment mate 👍 sum it up perfectly.

I promised myself.... no more watches...damn you Seiko

@jeebster888

3 жыл бұрын

Curse of Seiko

@toetz4491

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeebster888 i bought the jdm SBDC101 .. it gets more wrist time than my Pelagos..and they have the same aura..xcept the Seiko is smaller , which i like the most.. ill be selling the Pelagos

@jeebster888

3 жыл бұрын

@@toetz4491 oh i was thinking getting the Pelagos.. if u said they have same aura maybe i'll just get the JDM SBDC.

@toetz4491

Жыл бұрын

@@jeebster888 hello friend... its been a year. My Seiko developed an issue with its movement.. it went alow at 95 sec and the amplitude is at 155 fully wound up.. Glad i didnt sold the Pelagos..nothing beats the Swiss movt with its hi beat 288000 .

@Apex_Apeq

Ай бұрын

​@@toetz4491then, compare it with 28800bph seiko. Like SLA series. Its still cheaper than the pelagos. U will see which movement is better 😅 Only my opinion to your problem.

Both great watches that I would love to own and wear. I get a little more excited about the Seiko due to both the dial, hands and the overall case design.

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Manny. The Seiko is a little bit bigger and is more expressive with the sunburst dial. Maybe that is why you notice it more. Best regards, Anders

Hi great review thnx a lot. I own the SPB149 Lmt. I just love this watch. But it is a little bit strange to compare a watch from 1100 to 3800 USD. But def for me the SEIKO.

A good, fair comparison. While the Tudor has a nice finish, it is instructive that you're comparing it fitted with an aftermarket bracelet. That shouldn't be necessary on a $4k watch! The movement in the Tudor is a good one (Kenissi, assembled in house) but it's unproven and expensive to service compared to the previous ETA, or the Seiko. While Tudors do hold value well, it's the %age that counts and Seikos resell well. The Seiko is also a true dive watch, the Tudor more of a dive 'inspired' watch. I'd buy the Seiko and spend the change on a Longines.

Both very nice, but I have never liked the 'stick-on' lume pip on the bezel of the Tudor. I prefer the flush-fit one on the Seiko.

Waoo.. the two pieces are so beatiful... looks amazing... but in this opportunity I prefer Tudor... thanks and congrats for the video.. excellent. Greetings

@rogeriofirmino6395

5 ай бұрын

I preferido Tudor too

Good review. I love that Seiko!

i literally was at a watch store that stocked the seiko diver 200m with pepsi bezel and the tudor black bay pepsi. they seemed close in quality yet the black bay was 4x the price. i may be wrong but the seiko will do just fine til i have enough to upgrade to a rolex, tudor or something else

I don't need another watch but this Seiko is a beauty, need to check it out.

Two great watches. For me the Black Bay is an every day a do it all watch with the Saiko more tool like and casual.

I have the 40th anniversary version if this seiko and it keeps within +1 - +2 secs a day. Amazing. By contrast, I also have the green willard with the same movement and that's like +16 secs a day. The seiko movements are a bit of a lottery.

I like the looks of this SPB143- nice tool watch. It reminds me of the tudor pelagos. Of course for the pelagos you pay more for the titanium and all that ink for the writing on the dial.

@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78

Жыл бұрын

This comment aged well considering Tudor just released the 39mm Pelagos. I never noticed the similarity with the SBDC101 until then.

When u look at the 2 together, then the seiko wins it for value alone. I own the spb 051 and I love it. If you want something more refined than the seiko, then may I suggest a rado captain cook . I think it's far more interesting than the tudor , and half the price. And it does not scratch up like a tudor even though it's highly polished ? I've got a green version 42mm , but it wears smaller than that .

Tudor is nice but like the Seiko but hate thes PROSPEX sign on the bottom off the dial Great video

.. Rolex happened to make that Connery's dr. No Sub 6538, i think what differs mostly from bb58 are the mercedes hour hand, white silver markers and its size, 38mm vs 39mm.

I tried a few of my seiko divers’ bracelet upside-down before just like you. My reason was the problematic and mandatory diver extension does dig into the fore-side of my under-wrist. It was extremely uncomfortable to the point where I rather add more links on the 6 O’clock fore side and leave the bracelet claps dangling unevenly near the rear side(12 O’Clock) This would be my major complain of the Seiko bracelet. Personally I could careless about Tudor’s rivetted bracelet and would wear it as is, while I would definately consider Strapcode aftermarket bracelet for all Seiko divers with this poorly designed dive extension. Quite surpprise you are not mention about the Seiko bracelet issue at all in this video.

I don't think you can compare those two models. Both are great, but in a completely different price range. I think Seikos are great watch for such a price and at this price point maybe the best dive watch on the market now. In the end of the day, they both show time and it is great that there many watches to choose from. But great video. 👍🏻

@atl3630

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's great to compare these two because the price difference. It highlights the tiny bit more you get with the Tudor but pay 3-4X more.

@MisterMaster4life

3 жыл бұрын

@@atl3630 maybe on paper. In real life you can feel the quality and especially fit and finish Is miles apart. The Tudor is much more refined.

@Roughdraft214

2 жыл бұрын

Considering the similar specs and function, I would say they’re perfect for comparison. I would get them both.

Sold my BB58 & got the SEIKO

I dont like dive watches normally, theyre not really my style, but the Tudor BB is such a beautiful watch, maybe this one will become the Diver in my collection and I would actually wear it proudly... :')

Cracking pair💪🏽

Nice watches but my Tissot sea star with the powermatic movement looses only 1sec a day. Cost new 600 bucks. So price aside those two watches should have better movements for twice and 7 times the price. Great review!

Bracelet on the Seiko is upside down...great watches!

Hej Anders just love the Seiko 62Mas and the 6105 👍

@michaelr2957

3 жыл бұрын

Hvor bor du i Danmark ?

I'm sold! I'm getting a Tudor Black Bay 58.

The Seiko is just a nicer looking design imo. Drilled lugs, skin diver case, and no ugly snowflake hand. The bezel also is stainless steel and the numbers are more or less engraved in unlike the cheaper aluminum bezel insert on the tudor.

Both are beautiful in their own ways. Seiko is sportier and Tudor dressier. I love both.

Ok i just got the spb143 today andd it is gorgeous watch. i used to have sumo btw. this watch just fit right in my wrist, anyway video and pictures doesnt do any justice. go and see it yourself, spb143 will be my one watch collection

I’ve got the 147. Can’t get it to regulate - it’s currently back at Seiko being repaired under warranty. Had the same problem with my SRP777. I love Seiko, but I’ve had way better luck with Citizen out of the box.

Yes, the sunburst dial was the exclamation mark.

Unfortunately Hi I got this seiko, my first diver ever what a beauty, however I have damaged very first threading on crown tube. It’s screwing unscrewing perfectly fine. Will it cause issue in long term ? Or I should get it repaired right away. Please guide

I like the black bay bezel and dial alot more. Its like a 80's diver 😍👌 want to get the red bezel version some day.

BB58 all the way but Seiko looks good too and excellent for its price.

For Retro-Divers try the Rado Captain Cook. Just beautyful.

@stephanodem4947

3 жыл бұрын

No, check the RADO Webside. In June I bought the 42mm version with green dial here in Germany. It has 3 bracelets and is rated 300m.

@stephanodem4947

3 жыл бұрын

No, I don't think so.

I have both.....So happy.

How about Tudor BB and Seiko MM300 marinemaster?

I'm currently looking for my first and could possibly be my only luxury/good piece as I'm more of a G-Shock guy. A few made it to the shortlist, although some might not be in the luxury tier; 1. Oris Propilot Date - Grey Dial 41mm 2. Hamilton Khaki Field Automatic 42mm 3. Certina DS Action Diver - 43mm 4. Seiko SPB143/147 5. Tissot PRX Powermatic 80 Initially I was excited about the Certina being Swiss made and includes a useful ratcheting diver's extension but was disappointed that the AD here at my place doesn't carry any of the models bearing the Nivachron hairspring which are quite new to the line. At this point, the only thing holding me from considering the SPBs is the accuracy. There's not much in the list but weighing on several factors/strengths each models possesses such as water resistance, luminosity, accuracy, antimagnetism, and even to the practicality of having on-the-fly adjustment, I'm still undecided 🤷‍♂️

@timemeasured9137

Жыл бұрын

Go with the 143!!!

@ProtomanZ

Жыл бұрын

Honestly you pretty much cant go wrong with this shortlist.

@kma86

Жыл бұрын

@@ProtomanZ as an update, I just bought the Certina DS Action Diver 43mm 5 days ago 😊 Couldn't justify paying for the SPBs, I'd expect better QC from Seiko at that price range. The Oris was sold before I managed to snag it 😂. The Tissot and Hamilton can wait.

@lashmeliodas58

Жыл бұрын

We pretty much have the same shortlist lol, planning to buy this month too.

5:56 Why choosing?.

Seiko wins. By far. Best Seiko design in years, and none of that corny vintage stuff like faux vintage lume and bracelet rivets like the Tudor. I’ve been through dozens of divers, and it felt like the heavens parted when I first laid eyes on the SPB143.

@hersheysquirt6526

3 жыл бұрын

4u

@ohaimiles

3 жыл бұрын

amen brother!

@marcd7332

3 жыл бұрын

A 38mm version would be nice

Own both and enjoy them both a lot. If I could change one thing about the Seiko, the clasp comes to mind. Its massive and I my mind a bit overdone. Also, its virtually impossible to find suitable slim, shoulderless springbars that fits the Seiko

@aplobb

3 жыл бұрын

Watchgecko sell them if you are EU/UK based

Second thoughts can I own both!?

Hi, can you do a comparison of Oris diver 65 vs spb143. I m considering between these 2 watches and can't decide. Enjoying all your content!

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. I would love to but someone needs to loan me the Oris as I sold mine to fund the new Seamaster. Best regards, Anders

@pengxiang5444

3 жыл бұрын

@@TimeAndCrown Ah I see, what a pity. But based on your experience with both watches (and many dive watches), do you feel that Oris 65 is worth the extra money over Seiko SPB143?

Looks like the bracelet on the Seiko is on the wrong way. Is that international?

I would love to get a BB58.

Yeah that seiko looks 🔥

Seiko bezel does not seems to line up ;/

Both great pieces.

As a bb58 owner I look at this and I genuinely prefer the modern look of the seiko and the colours, unfortunately all that means nothing when you have a 6.5 inch wrist and that chunk and size eats into your wrist. Anyone that's worn a 58 knows it just kinda melts into the wrist and that means everything

@ocb05

3 жыл бұрын

This I can attest. Same wrist size as yours, and Tudor is practically one of the best divers we can have at reasonable price.

@pregardt

Жыл бұрын

i have 6.5 inches wrist and own the spb143 Seiko. It fits perfectly with the bracelet although i changed the clasp to a smaller one. Also wearing it on an Uncle seiko waffle strap nowadays.

Comparing a BB58 against a Seiko diver.. Akin to comparing a Aston Martin against a Ford Escort !!

The Tudor for me everyday!

Other than the movement and accuracy (which for me isn't a primary focus) seiko 62mas series stand up really well against the black bays.

I'va had both. Both go for perfect dimensions, Tudor lacks exitement. Seiko 143 is a permanent piece for me now.

First video from you i've seen, really enjoyed it! are you danish if I may ask?

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

Hej Simon. Tak, ja det er jeg :)

Love them both...

I want both .

how the tudor does not have a ceramic bezel is just to put it in line with rolex pricing

please 1080p or 1440p

Nice review! What is your wrist size for reference ?

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. 17,5-18 cm.

You should compare with SPB147

Wrist size?

The Seiko is just a little too tall. I like the slimmer profile of the 58

Seiko is the big fat middle finger to the arrogant and much overpriced Swiss Watch industry that keeps sticking out and keeps on delivering value and beauty to truly unbiased watch afficionados. Cheers to Seiko!

I love my SPB145.

言語はわかりませんが、とても参考になりました！ ありがとうございます^ ^

So if you stranded on a tropical island for 5 years which watch would still be running if you used it everyday for diving, groveling in the sand, chopping wood/coconuts, and cutting fish?

@TimeAndCrown

2 жыл бұрын

It depended on if I wanted to know the date. If I didn’t care it could be the Tudor. But the Seiko is on bracelet which would hold up better when fishing and cimbing after coconuts.

SPB143 is a perfect product

Did you reverse the clasp on the Seiko? Or did it come like that?

@papachung6639

3 жыл бұрын

SPB143 owner here. Looks like he flipped the whole bracelet around. My bracelet is oriented the opposite way as shown in this video.

The Seiko is a 1/4 of the price and looks twice as good.

@Thankyou_3

3 жыл бұрын

Rookie mistake, been there and a tree takes time to root itself and grow. Both timepieces are not even apple to apple comparison. BB58 is miles ahead in quality both finish and movement quality.

@Sitdownbroski

3 жыл бұрын

Ahah that’s what people who can’t afford the expensive ones say

@canonyeo4286

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. The Tudor has a better Movement, but, finishing is not better. As for looks, the 62MAS pops.

@Thankyou_3

3 жыл бұрын

@@canonyeo4286 Seiko looks like a jewelry with blink blink. BB58 is a timepiece quality. You have to own both to identify the difference. BB58 is far superior watch. Don’t waste your money on SPB line up. You get what you pay for. If Seiko would use 8 series movement then only you can compare to BB58.

@canonyeo4286

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thankyou_3 l don't buy Tudor as l owned many rolex over 20+ years, including daytona, yatchmaster, batman, hulk, air king etc. I have many other swiss watches including patek. I enjoy watches. I like the fun. I have many high end seiko, including more than 2 dozens gs, vintage and modern. The 62MAS is great looking watch. Period.

Got my SBSC101 for $700 brand new 🙌

I have both 👍🏻👍🏻

Seiko wins in the looks department. BB58 has arguably the better movement, and better fit and finish/ quality control. In terms of value for money, the Seiko can be found online for almost 1/3 the price of the Tudor. Is the Tudor three times as better as the Seiko? That's for prospective buyers to decide. With some aftermarket regulation by any decent watch technician the 6r35 movement can usually be brought to within a hair's breadth of the Tudor's performance (though unlikely to surpass or even equal it). In terms of many mid-tier Seikos notoriously inconsistent fit & finish/ QC issues, it's really the luck of the draw with each individual model.

@inked_wrist_shot

3 жыл бұрын

Owning both, yes the Black Bay is worth the extra, easily. Love them both and even I don’t compare cause they shouldn’t be.

I would take the Seiko easy.

If you like the looks of the seiko take a look at the Bulova 98B 203...you get the same looks for a much lower price...the Bulova is 100m...and a quartz..if these are not deal breakers give it a try...it looks very similar to the newer seiko but came out 4 years ago.

As an owner of both these watches which are keepers in my collection the only thing on the Seiko which is on par with the Tudor is the fact that it tells the time.

@shanetate8754

2 жыл бұрын

***watches this review after just buying his first “nice” watch (Seiko spb143)…hangs head low and sighs.

The 62MAS pops.

why do u wear the bracelet backwards on the seiko

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

I simply put it on backwards after wearing the watch on a nato. It’s now correctly installed.

The real choice is between the Tudor or the Seiko + a cruise to the Bahamas :D

thanks

Owned both, the seiko bracelet, dial and case look better, the tudor has a better movement, but overall for the money, the seiko wins.

I ordered the Seiko SPB143 today and i will get it next saturday. Do you still have it in your collection?

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds great. I hope you will enjoy it. I still have mine, I like it a lot.

@evh4611

3 жыл бұрын

@@TimeAndCrown I like your video's buddy. Maybe that is because we have a bunch of pieces in our collection in common. That, plus you are a real enthusiast and that shines through in your video's.

@TimeAndCrown

3 жыл бұрын

@@evh4611 Thank you. I’m just a watchgeek at the end of the day :)

@evh4611

3 жыл бұрын

@@TimeAndCrown Yup. Same here

I bought the SEIKO sbdc 107 the other day. I'm poor so I have 20 loans. But I don't regret it. This watch is a wonderful watch manufactured based on belief and conscience ☺️ I'm glad I was Japanese 🇯🇵