Hard to make the argument of not having big enough of a budget when you see the amount of money that this has taken to just get to this stage,the argument of just getting CV 90 vehicles can't be ignored

@Pesmog

Жыл бұрын

Given the current situation a separate order for a couple of hundred CV90's might make some sense.

@user-er8tr9kt8l

Жыл бұрын

Puma is better, Puma is the best buy Puma

@Gareth04100

Жыл бұрын

​@Pesmog how long do you think that will take...

@UR_HR

Жыл бұрын

After all is said and done, I hope the MoD will look for some learnings from this procurement disaster. The taxpayer needs to be assured their money is not being wasted and the troops need assurance that they are getting the right kit.

@History_Coffee

Жыл бұрын

100%

Modifications to the seats and headsets doesn't exactly scream, 'We've fixed the problems'

@1966babysnakes

Жыл бұрын

Yep... covered it up because they can't fix it.

@v4skunk739

Жыл бұрын

@@1966babysnakes The Spanish welded up the hulls out of spec. I'm talking jigs not set up to spec or even used at all. It's industrial sabotage and 100% there were / are people at the Spanish factory that sabotaged the hulls. This isn't from poor quality control. I'd also argue Ajax is a money laundering program because the government refuses to talk about why the Ajax has vibrations in the first place and the lack of investigation on the Spanish manufacturing. If Ajax fails and we don't sue Spain it proves money laundering imo.

@VanderlyndenJengold

Жыл бұрын

@@v4skunk739 Sounds unlikely. Any proof? They were moving the assembly to the UK in 2015.

@Ianmundo

Жыл бұрын

Major Noise/Vibration and Harshness issues, you think they’ll change engine mounts, add anti-NVH material, softer bushings, modified dampeners, springs, change hydro-pneumatic suspension components, but no. They modify the seats and add more hearing protection… worrying

@TheBooban

Жыл бұрын

@@Ianmundo Yeah, sounds like they just tightened some screws. After a few years of use, or even worse, under rugged conditions of a real war, same problems crop up again.

I hope the crew's affected by injuries/damage will be supported short AND long term.

@DaLizMs

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@Tim9999999991

Жыл бұрын

We all know they wont.

@jamesamas5527

Жыл бұрын

just got a pay-out and that was it

So for the same money (roughly) we could have 700 odd CV90 up and running by now, no?

@aquillandscroll6428

Жыл бұрын

That too with greater interoperability and upgrade options into the future. The cv90 itself has a recce variant with a telescopic mast… something the ajax lacks and yes drones are more prevalent but a mast won’t be jammed as easily. That too we could replace our aging warriors with a normal ifv cv90 as well to save on costs and buying in bulk. Furthermore we’d be supporting BAE a uk company whereas general dynamics uk is just a branch of the American manufacturer that set up a subsidiary with subpar resources and employees just to win a contract that seems like it had no care in the world to look out for the fabrication issues on the hull. Not to say MOD have no fault but BAE would’ve gotten us farther, who knows how many would be operational by now.

@terrytumble162

Жыл бұрын

@@aquillandscroll6428good points, and we could then have sent the Warriors to Ukraine. The decision to pick Ajax over CV90 has weakened British security, Ukrainian security, European security. Reckon we’re now pinning our hopes on tracked Boxer and IFV Boxer module. Could work.

@Jarran91

Жыл бұрын

The orderbook is long now for the CV 90 in Sweden but I quess that if they had gone with the Cv 90 the production could have been started in Brittain aswell. The are trying to expand the production capacity in the Swedish plant but it will take alot of time. // From a Swede

@aquillandscroll6428

Жыл бұрын

@@Jarran91 Yes, I am aware of the order backlog as well, but we started this program in 2010, had we gone with bae we’d be receiving it very shortly. Not to mention the fact that as you’ve mentioned production could be easily expanded to uk as BAE is a uk company so technology and skill transfer wouldn’t be that difficult to set up another production line in the UK. We’d also have a future facility for the warrior replacement as well but leave it to mod procurement and gduk to sell a faulty product, a ‘gimmick’.

@Jarran91

Жыл бұрын

@@aquillandscroll6428 Yeah it's a shame but I hope they sort it out. The soldiers deserve a decent vehicle. Europe needs to be strong.

The Aussies asked the british army what they thought of the vehicle in relation to there own IFV procurement. The british reply was run away. This was clearly a bone thrown to GD after we de selected piranha V in favour of boxer when we really should have selected CV90. This will always be a polished turd.

I was a young naïf when I first heard that the British Army was going to adopt the Ajax and Boxer. I thought the Boxer variants were going to partially replace their aging CVR(T) and FV430 counterparts, whilst the Ajax was an infantry fighting vehicle replacing the old Warriors. But then I learnt more about what was going on, especially with Ajax, and it made me a bit sad.

@scratchy996

Жыл бұрын

I still don't understand why the UK didn't just get the CV90 ? BAE is a British company, they could have built it in the UK, problem solved. The problem with the Boxer is its own success. They have so many orders, they literally can't build them fast enough, and now there are tensions on who has priority on the Boxer deliveries. A second production line needs to be built. Europeans should finally get their act together and make common platforms. The British should have teamed up with the Germans, Italians, Swedes and Dutch, since they have always built great projects together. The French are difficult to work with, since they want access to tech, but they don't want to share their tech with their partners, yet at the same time they are selling tech to Russia.

@overcorpse

Жыл бұрын

@@scratchy996 Boxer manufacturing starts in the UK this year. So that won't be an issue.

@scratchy996

Жыл бұрын

@@overcorpse That's good news.

@MrRambo438

Жыл бұрын

@@scratchy996 the answer is because of bae

@scratchy996

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRambo438 Because of BAE what ?

Is it just me that think they should just getting the new cv90

More importantly... apart from the program and development problems ... how good is it for it's role over the next 20 years or so?

Let’s not say it is back on track, when it wasn’t on track to start with.

To be fair, it’s unquestionable that the Ajax program has had difficulties but I’d much rather they take their time, properly try to fix the problems and bring it into service ONLY once they have a machine that is truly capable instead of rushing it into operation in order to avoid criticism and avoid taking the financial hit. Ultimately the hope is that, once it is in service, this thing would have been put through years of vigorous testing and so will actually work once it is on the battlefield.

Just buy cv90

Buying Spanish over Swedish.. What did you expect? 😅🤷‍♂️

@paulg3216

Жыл бұрын

And the CV90 is manufactured by a BAE subsidiary - so "British owned"!

@stevem-h3562

Жыл бұрын

@@paulg3216 The only thing that is British about BAE is the B in their name.

@MP-lm7nn

Жыл бұрын

The best product that Sweden can make with metal is a can for Surströmming, the rotten fish that the Swedes eat. Speaking of ridiculous failures, the Swedes even have a museum that recalls their splendid history of know-how: the Vasa Museum. 😂🤣🤣

@heinedenmark

Жыл бұрын

@@MP-lm7nn And where are you from?

They should just choose the most reliable ifv the cv90 of bae systems hagglunds

@user-er8tr9kt8l

Жыл бұрын

or the most awsome IFV the Puma

Just get the CV90 and be done with it

just kill it and get either the CV90 or Lynx, RBSL have liscenes to produce either vehicles

Sounds like we should not be giving this company (based on Virginia USA) any more contacts. What a waste of money.

Look so long as we get it and it works well im happy for delays . I would rather we having somthing that works than rushed out the door .

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

Rushed out of the door !!! Good job we’re not facing war…..ohhh blow me down with a feather we are.

They haven't fixed the issues,just changed the language to get it over the wire so people can get paid,crews will suffer while others profit,typical tories

@Gareth04100

Жыл бұрын

Programme was awarded under Labour Government

@marcwhite7733

Жыл бұрын

But the Tories are pushing it over the finish line ignoring the issues

CV90 Mk 4s available from a BAE land systems near you.

I thought after Afghanistan with the UOR purchases the MoD had learnt that off the shelf stuff is a great way to go. Wouldn't it have been much easier and cheaper to get BAE Hagglunds to design a CV90 variant that would fit our requirements that we could then buy a production license for?

@thijshagenbeek8853

Жыл бұрын

Its called off the shelf for a reason mate. It should be good enough when you buy it as is. If it gets people forward safely. And can violently change annyone's mind about trying to touch your troops its doing the job. Its all this customizing that got the Ajax where it is.

@Bob10009

Жыл бұрын

@@thijshagenbeek8853 exactly.

Should have just gone and purchased theCV90 or attempted to get the licence to build the CV90 to UK spec if UK industry is such a major concern with new projects and pumping talent and skills into those fields. Building new was just stupid and boneheaded.

@davidhouseman4328

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't new, it was an adapted ASCOD, CV90 would also have needed adapting.

@djmeyer1972

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Let’s hope the Army chooses proven platforms with minor mods next time over something which just seems so over complicated, expensive and of course, late.

@user-er8tr9kt8l

Жыл бұрын

they could buy the Puma and use British armor, sensors and alike

@terrytumble162

Жыл бұрын

@@user-er8tr9kt8lstop banging on about Puma, everyone wants CV90 not Puma

@user-er8tr9kt8l

Жыл бұрын

@@terrytumble162 but Puma is *the* über-IFV ... The CV90 is great for sure but the basic design is quite old by now.

When will the MoD learn?... Just buy proven, reliable, decent technology, in quantity, with sufficient munitions. It's not as hard as they make out it is.. most of the procurement team behind this disaster (one would hope) regularly go to the supermarket with an idea of what to make for dinner, buy the correct ingredients within budget, follow the recipe and eat the prepared food at a normal dinner time... They just need to pop on their big boy pants, learn their lessons from what they did at dinner time and take that revolutionary mindset to work with them each day.

Watching this shortly after it was actually accepted into service and put into mass production :D

So its the SA80 in a vehicle format. No overseas sales due to bad publicity.

The way Poland is doing now, Combining a redback vehicle with its own turret is the answer.

R.I.P

The perfect embodiment of the sunk-cost fallacy.

@AdGameRr

Жыл бұрын

We get it you study business. High five mate!

CV90 says hi

I sincerely hope General Dynamics are made to pay compensation to those soldiers with hearing damage and long term effects caused by vibration. It's the only way to keep these people honest.

@JammyDodger45

Жыл бұрын

GD aren't to blame. The MoD added literally dozens of 'enhancements' to the requirements so the vehicle weight and centre of gravity rocketed without any changes you the suspension and drives to compensate and it's that which produced the issues. The MoD is, as ever, not up to a procurement task.

@medic7698

Жыл бұрын

@@JammyDodger45 who fitted the enhancements?

@tankie2ndrtr

Жыл бұрын

@@JammyDodger45 requirements are the prime's responsibility to integrate. A fundamental issue with track alignment and poor track tensioning is an engineering issue, not an MOD one. GDUK are absolutely to blame.

@JammyDodger45

Жыл бұрын

@@tankie2ndrtr - if a requirement is not in the original scope and that requirement ups the weight of the vehicle by circa 25% then the suspension design will not cope with it. That's down to the MoD changing things not GD. This isn't an issue of track tensioning, we're not talking about running a Chally 1 over Soltau and getting a bit of track slap. When the C1 became the C2 did they stick with the same drives and track or was it redesigned to cope with the different mass and dynamics? Should that cost have been born by Royal Ordnance Factory as they built the C1?

@kevinorman9732

Жыл бұрын

​@@JammyDodger45 rubbish, you wouldn't buy a new car with a few factory extras only for the dealer to turn round and state the warranty is void when you've got a problem

What a waste of taxpayers money 😪

What is the difference between Ajax and Ascod2?

Why didn't they purchase the Spanish Pizarro, which is a trusted fighting vehicle? Pizarro was developed in accordance with Austria and later on purchased by General Dynamics. So why this AJAX mess??? 😮😮😮

At this rate the UK should have just bought the Bradley or CV90 and modified them to British standards.

In Forces News we trust

As long as the tea machine is working.

In other words your going to get them like it or not .

Cut your losses and buy cv90 family

Ironing out problems isn't the vehicle it's a failure of R & D but at least they're making sure its fit for purpose before it hits the battlefield, which is an improvement on the past.

Military procurement must be a nightmare job.Geneal Dynamics have been unbelievably slow here. Are they delivering a message. So much blame, everyone can have some.

Eventually the RAC will receive a platform with at least 13 years between commencement and IOC. They will receive it just in time for its "mid life" update. Great example of Defence procurement for various Staff Colleges around the world.

@SuperChudley

Жыл бұрын

I thought the initial procurement started back in approx 90/91 with the concept of TRACER, which was either to be wheeled or tracked, it underwent numerous changes including name changes before AJAX was decided.

Too noisy, better earmuffs, I can see its a well thought out and engineered solution.

Oh c'mon, it's nuts .... go for the modern cv90- a proven British/Swedish ifv , truly magnificent, and support British industry with a top ifv!

God bless all our brave soldiers,. Your still the best army in the world 👍🇬🇧

Keep up the good work guys ,we will make it work if anybody can ,i really like it think it will be good on the battlefield💪 🇬🇧RULE BRITANNIA 💯❤🙏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

The Spartan was ok. Why not just update it? R

I bet Britain wishes they picked the Swedish 90/40 system.

Was the MOD asking too much from the base design back then? And who it completing against during the competition?

Why does it vibrate and cause so much noise?

Why in the name of... did not buy CV90?? Whyyy?

Can it. Take CV90 instead. Commonality and great performance off the shelf. Refuse BOWMAN fit, tell BaE what comms are needed,, the requirements and Hagglunds will make it so

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

Bowman is supposed to be replace by Morpheus , this project is late , underfunded and difficult to achieve without Microsoft or Apple resources which GD does not have !

Meanwhile the CV90 is making this look stupid.

Maybe contractor could ease of stock buybacks and dividends and use the $ for core business product.

In WW2 vehicles were innovated and created in very little time. Why are military systems so inefficient and incompetent now?

What a waste of money. Should of upgraded Warrior at the fraction of the price

18 month is nothing compared to the 14 years we've waited already.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

Should we be relieved ?

CV 90 now it's not rocket science also what do expect when you get the yanks involved

Ivan! I can hear a whole battalion of tanks behind that hill!..... No, cancel that - it's one of those Ajax tommy-cookers.

Why do the British armed forces need bespoke kit for everything? There are dozens of APC and AFV designs already in production out there to choose from.

@stevem-h3562

Жыл бұрын

Because it means more easy money for the Prime contractors who the procurement civil serpents hope to get jobs and kickbacks from. Not to mention that the MOD civil servants from the early 2000's on arent capable of managing their way out of a paper bag.

Just cut the losses and buy CV90s

The thing looks like the yanks APC in Vietnam, a box on tracks with a "penetrate here" sign.

As far as i concern, the ASCOD 2 | Sabrah Light Tank variant by Elbit system, The Philipine Army haven't expirience problem on vibration and hearing issue during trials today. Meanwhile the ASCOD 2 | AJAX variant did get that issue already. While the Pizzaro and Ulan variant fielded by Spaniard army and the Austrian army didn't. Why is it then? They all use the same platform but why the British expirience such bad during trials? why they get the worst one? also why they didn't choose the CV-90 instead?

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps Israel have manufacturing quality control instead of ISO box ticking paperwork quality control ?

Once they are given to the squaddies the real testing begins

Maybe if the UK was at war things would be different. Nothing like bombs falling on one's head or an invasion force a few miles away to focus the mind. Equipment was developed and perfected in weeks and months not years during the last two World Wars. Admittedly not everything worked as thought but some inventions were brilliant and completely out of the box thinking.

During peace time no mic want's a speedy development.

Just get the CV90 mk4!

@0:16 The symbolic colors of the Ukrainian flag superimposed on the (his) Union Jack patch seems to be placed upside down.

@Gareth04100

Жыл бұрын

Well spotted... what a moron... both Jack is upside-down as well as the wheat fields growing in the sky...

Ben Wallace is awesome

Only 245 of them have the 40MM Autocannon- I would be very anxious if I were one of the crewmen expected to take one of these Ajax vehicles knowing the high likelihood it'll be the RWS version with only a 7.62mm machine gun to protect itself, compare that to a fight against Russia where even their old AFV's have 14.5mm cannons, 30mm Autocannons and/or guided ATGM's like the BMP's...

@Ben_From_Marketing

Жыл бұрын

@@FunnyVideoCollector Emphasis on "some"

@davidhouseman4328

Жыл бұрын

They aren't IFVs. They are reconnaissance, command, recovery etc. Rather than lightly armed battle mainstays they are heavily armoured support.

@Ben_From_Marketing

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidhouseman4328 Recovery variants of the Ajax vehicle make up a small portion around 38, command is not the role outlined by the British MOD, but reconnaissance is, to specifically replace the CVR(T) class of vehicles the main one being the FV107 Scimitar, of which, have all been forced in to the infantry fighting role in every major British military campaign including operation iraqi freedom, the war on terror, the falklands and so on, reconnaissance specifically within the new 1st Deep Recce Strike Brigade combat team, emphasis on combat, the role outlined is calling in fire missions and air assets while directly engaging the enemy. Let's talk about what the MOD outlined for this vehicles use, part of the 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review the Ajax is now the sole provider of direct fire support for the Army's direct strike brigades, the 2021 Integrated Review of Security, Defence, Development and Foreign Policy outlines yet again its dependency on the Ajax for it's direct fire support role seeing how the warrior is being phased out in preparation for the Boxer armoured vehicle.

@davidhouseman4328

Жыл бұрын

@@Ben_From_Marketing Ajax like Scimitar has the main gun. There were plenty of Spartans, Samson etc. in the CVR(T) group like there are Ares, Atlas, etc.

@Ben_From_Marketing

Жыл бұрын

@@davidhouseman4328 Which returns us to the original comment; only 245 of them have 40MM Autocannons.

As soon as it was found that the sides were of different sizes and welding was sub standard it should have been cancelled and money demanded returned .this is what you get when you don't run trials to see who makes the best kit ( bae systems have one ready to go but we're not considered , smells of backhanders, ) there is a company in England reported that they could stabilise the rarden cannon and upgrade warrior to near ajax standards for a fraction of the cost but the MOD went with a company who have been accused around the world of bribery.

So it's only quiet enough to pass the bar because of extra hearing protection in helmets? Not good enough

@jamesamas5527

Жыл бұрын

was the civvies that brought it up not the people that will actually use it.

@ricardosmythe2548

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesamas5527 that it was to noisy? It was the hearing injury to users more than anything tbh

@jamesamas5527

Жыл бұрын

@@ricardosmythe2548 yh, was the civvies that actually made the complaints about it

@ricardosmythe2548

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesamas5527 yh, I'm sure none of the users minded losing their hearing 🙈

@jamesamas5527

Жыл бұрын

@@ricardosmythe2548 wasnt as bad as people make it out to be. guarantee all those that claimed had previous issues and/or played it up to be worse than it was in order to get a claim in

The Poles order their APC's in South Korea. Those seem to work pretty well...

How in the world a project like that got an approval? Don't they have a development and evaluation phase?

When the product was named after the famous Toilet cleaner, the signs were there money was to be flushed away. My own Ajax stands by for "immediate deployment", whenever a challenging task arises.

In this day and age these are embarrassing problems. Modern diesels are so refined and with modern CAD these issues just shouldn't happen. Climb into any new heavy plant and you hardly know it's running!

If this was a horse it would have been shot already. All when CV90 is sitting there performing like a dream.

Scrap it and get CV90

General Dynamics…..is that a US Company ? Don’t we have the design or manufacturing capability in this country ? Did I see a portacabin in the B&Q car park in Newcastle where the Vickers tank factory used to be ? How much taxpayers money greases General Dynamics and I just wonder if there is any link to the Tory party ?

Extremely unconvincing If ear muffs and seat cushions actually cured the problem, why wasn't this simple fix done 10 years ago?

How can you have a recce vehicle thats so noisy you need double hearing protection, so the noise issue has not been resolved then? it defeats the purpose of a recce vehicle, they should scrap this thing, and whats with the drivers hatch on a single hinge, as soon as that thing takes a hit, the hatch will blow off. You need something relatively small and quiet, this is not it.

It’s almost as if nobody had any project management and procurement skills

Big old thing. All should have cannon including recce vehicles

Absolute shambles 🤦🏻‍♂️

If they cant handle that extra noise, then I dont think they can handle much worse experiences in the battlefield.

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

118 db lol

TYPICAL MOD

So didn’t actually deal with the causes of noise and vibration issues just patched it up with ear and west protection and adjusting control panel. Ajax should be scrapped and general dynamics should give a refund back.

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

They collected staged production payments, quality control was not part of this so their lawyers would prevent any refund!

Anybody know why the politician had to wear camouflage, and at one point what looked like a flak jacket?

Should never have bothered with this lemon, should have gone with the try'd and tested cv90 system

Strip the extra armour off and the problems will be solved

It’s just a updated warrior that’s all it is cos it looks like it

still be armored for another month

What a joke, a vehicle which will be closer to it's expiry date before it enters service. It's like backing a three-legged horse and still believing it can win.

No quality control, which is the basic of the machinery industry. Vibration and noise due to poor suspension compared to excessive demand weight. Design faults, production and assembly defects. A basic flaw that cannot even be thought of in Western developed countries.

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

ISO 9001 is a paperwork exercise , companies who pay for this tend to steer the inspectors to areas they want them to check and give them nice lunches , They never talk to workshop staff about quality or ask any questions !

"WHERE'S FRANCIS?!?!"

How can a company the size and with the history of GD make such a hash of this thing?

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

The Bradley and M113 had problems !

@Bear10174

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwait641 weren't they relatively new platform types at the time? I would have thought that by know making a functioning tracked vehicle would be straightforward, with the issues coming from integration of new technology and electronics. I'm no engineer though.

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

@@Bear10174 The original ASCOD design by Steyr - Daimler- Puch in 1982 , first prototype in 1992. weight grew from 18.8 to 25.2 and then Ajax grew to 38 ton.

I'd rather drive a tescos shopping trolly mounted with 303

What I dont get is that the austrians and spanish have not had anywhere near the amount of problems u brits have had with this platform,granted I know they are different but the main chassis is the same,the us version known as the griffin is just as heavy as the brit one and only 6 wheels and from what I've read no where as many problems,don't get it

@peterwait641

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps all the experienced staff who made the others retired !

Is this guy the right man for the job? Our armed forced has almost vanished.

@ashleygoggs5679

Жыл бұрын

They vanished before he was appointed his role. Since he has been appointed his role the military has gotten necessary upgrades and much needed improvements. He is ex military and loves his job. Ben wallace is one of the best ministers especially for defense.

@anecdotal_mattybs5435

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleygoggs5679 that’s right. He’s clearly passionate about the military still and wants to put some polish on the turd the conservatives have created through austerity.

@ashleygoggs5679

Жыл бұрын

@@anecdotal_mattybs5435 It wasnt the conservatives that created this mess. The mess started mostly under Tony Blair. Blair abused the military criminally, the army barely had any significant upgrades under him and got tons of cuts. The Conservatives agreeably were not any better, but atleast once Boris was in power Upgrades and purchases started rolling off the conveyor belt. Ben Wallace was Boris's Minister of Defence and it is becuase of Wallace we are getting another military review and hopefully this time it will be done properly. Lets not forget that challenger 3, boxer, and many new frigate and destoryer designs of the future were done through Johnsons administration. We also bought the new apache AH64E and we also have the up and coming tempest project and alot of money has also been invested by the conservative government into British engineering and R&D. Under May and Cameron the military got neglected and under Johnson it was reinvigorated and Sunak seems to have a some what similar stance luckily but i guess maybe the commonality there is ben wallace whos now served under 3 pms

@anecdotal_mattybs5435

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleygoggs5679 are you deluded? Man power and basic items in the inventory like tanks AFV’s here, artillery etc have been cut/neglected and left to decline for years. Boris focussed on big ticket items for PR and self publicity and changed nothing. I served in both labour and conservative years and both were bad but the worst part is the past decade being told that down is up and up is down by people like Boris. Two carriers and barely enough ships for one carrier group in total, minimal surveillance and anti sub warfare planes, typhoons that haven’t been kept up to date with the latest upgrades and training for pilots taking 5 yrs. I know sgt’s and sgt mjrs in the marines today that are having to do double the workload and lads probably would end up the same. There was that report about the uk no longer being a tier 1 armed forces and I can believe it. They’ve focussed on the appearances that can be crowed about without backing it up. Labour were a decade ago. Couldn’t care less about them tbh. Boris was worse because he mislead people and enabled this even more.

@stevem-h3562

Жыл бұрын

No, but the rising tide lifts all boats. This joker is just the latest in a never ending stream of utter clowns to get the SofS gig. Its been going downhill since Portillo in the mid-90's.

It looks like an unstable ride.

If they delivered a vehicle (modified from one that already had been in service elsewhere) with such vibration and noise that it could not be used, then it is a dog and no amount of fiddling will ever put it right

waste of money. it would have been more effective to acquire an off the shelf purchase