It's only been in development for 13 years...

It's fair to say that no matter what the MOD went with it would be the wrong choice. Some many armchair experts on here 😂

@JohnnyZenith

6 ай бұрын

It's always the same on these military comment sections. People just moaning with no real knowledge. It's bizarre.

@peterwait641

5 ай бұрын

Panther Command jeep was also the wrong choice !

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

Well BAE should have agreed to build the CV90 in the UK like the MOD asked instead of trying to play hard ball and undercut the government on the MOST BASIC THING THEY ASKED FOR in the programe and then come running back when GD says they will happily build it in the UK and cry for the contract back. The single MOST important thing the MOD wanted for this programe was no matter what it must be built in the UK, so BAE naturally come with a proposal to build them in sweeden........ great thanks.

@will.s4611

5 ай бұрын

MOD go with their mates to give highest contracts you not worked that out yet? it's what the UK does best

@will.s4611

5 ай бұрын

every vehicle under uk production can show you that

It's fitted with a Rolls Royce Engine

So many wanted to let production run and thankfuly the right descision was reached in delay of that or would have ended up updating as soon as coming off of the pruduction line

@spotlight9864

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

@peterwait641

7 ай бұрын

Isolation mounts, comfy seats and noise cancelling headsets are cheaper than replacing suspension . Fixed price contract !

Thanks for an informative, interesting overview. To be a bit picky though, the 40mm cartridges with the projectiles seated all the way inside the case are termed 'telescoping case ammunition' or TCA.

@peterwait641

5 ай бұрын

whilst space saving blow by before the round seals in the barrel strips away material shortening barrel life , must also require more cleaning .

@petesheppard1709

5 ай бұрын

@@peterwait641 Thanks; I didn't know that.

Wow, great news, it’s arrived early and under budget!!! Fantastic???

Should have went with CV90!!!

@geordiewishart1683

7 ай бұрын

Should have gone

@ratchet2505

6 ай бұрын

On paper yes but the army wanted more armour while keeping the mobility, the CV90 has a greater degradation of mobility with higher armour packages. Also the army did not look for a IFV but a front line battle vehicle and the boxer fills the carry role.

@paulstone9667

6 ай бұрын

@@ratchet2505 Thank you for your great explanation that makes sense. But value for money may be the CV90 could be better if you can have more or the same amount and money left over to put towards other equipment.

@BucyKalman

6 ай бұрын

Do you mean "should have gone" ?

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

@@paulstone9667 BAE refused to build them in the UK and the MOD was upfront from the start of the contract talks when looking at proposals that it must be built in the UK so naturally BAE proposed to build them in sweeden, and when GD said we will happily build ours in the UK, BAE come running back and the MOD told them where to go and quite rightly too.

I'm looking forward to building the 1/35th scale models.

Omg an Ajax armored vehicle it was ment to be delivered in 2017. Now it's not expected till 2025. I cant say how much it's over budget on here but its billions not millions.

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

Its not over budget lol any cost overruns are on GD not the MOD.

Sooner have my old scimitar than roll out in this.

@GM-fh5jp

4 ай бұрын

Can't teach an old dog new tricks huh? The Ajax is superior in every way to the Scimitar. Go re-enlist if you feel so strongly about it

Best is always relative. There are also the Puma, Lynx, K21...

@Andrew-Lee91

6 ай бұрын

The Puma has more issues than you can imagine. The Lynx is way heavier and performs different roles and is still not as proven. The k21 could have been an option, but I guess since epoland already got their hands on them and Korea barely keeps up producing for themselves, the availability was an issue on that vehicle. So the ajax makes kinda more sense. Especially now after final tests have shown that the gun and electronics work pretty well.

@jurgenmuller143

5 ай бұрын

@@Andrew-Lee91 The Puma issues were solved years ago, don‘t repeat exaggerated news created by the media for clickbating. The issues last year were mostly created by soldiers smashing screens with their rifles or using fire extinguisher for a smell and now the whole cables have to be replaced because the plastic cover of the cables don‘t like the agent used in the fire extinguisher. But hey, thats infantry, not always the brightest lights in the candle.

@jurgenmuller143

5 ай бұрын

Totally agree with you. The Ajax never made it successfully to the last round of any purchase competition of a major state.

The armor protection is similar to up armored warrior, the CV 90 Mk 4 engine has 200 hp more and advanced semi active hydro-gas suspension . To fix the noise and vibration isolation mounts were fitted to seats and driver controls and thick comfy seats along with noise cancelling headsets! Interesting to note the M10 booker GD light tank now has hydo-pneumatic suspension instead of the dated torsion bar suspension of Ajax which does not work well with weight gain . CV 90 with Bushmaster cannon would have cheaper supply chain and Nato ammo , the main reason for CR3 120 mm smooth bore upgrade . Hiding the faults of the design was clearly fraud , vibration will increase wear and costs , perhaps it will get rubber tracks later at Government expense !

@AB-gi3qy

7 ай бұрын

The 40mm main gun on Ajax is also being used on French and Belgian vehicles so there is a decent level of commonality already, im pretty sure its also being converted for naval applications too, so I wouldnt be too concerned about supply and commonality.

@peterwait641

7 ай бұрын

@@AB-gi3qy Barrel life was reported at 750 rounds and some recoil barrel wobble, bushmaster is better value with super 40

@peterwait641

7 ай бұрын

@@AB-gi3qy The Bofors 40 mm anti aircraft gun from world war 2 is a better choice for ships , In mk 4 version it has longer range and cheaper ammo and the barrel is not worn away by blow by before round seals in the barrel !

@TrangleC

6 ай бұрын

So they still haven't fixed the vibration issues? (I wouldn't call thicker seat cushions and noise cancelling headphones a fix.) I was always very critical of the German Puma. Always thought that it was a weird decision to invest so heavily into making the track- and suspension systems separate modules that are then bolted to the vehicle. They always said the big advantage is low vibrations inside the vehicle and more safety and protection by having no holes in the hull for torsion bars or other suspension-stuff. I was skeptical whether that is worth the effort. Looking at the issues with the Ajax, I'm starting to come around on that matter.

@peterwait641

6 ай бұрын

@@TrangleC They did not seem to want to try rubber tracks which can reduce vibration by up to 70 % and noise up to 13 db !

Dear Government Today I read that the British Army now has fewer personnel than we had in the Gulf War. Do you know what Havoc is caused to Families and Relationships by over-cycling Troops Technology is fine, but bring the volunteer Army up to the 120,000 it once was, not in the low 70k range

@PlasticGangsta

5 ай бұрын

We deployed a full armoured brigade to the Gulf War... it is probably the last time the British army will ever deploy an armoured brigade. We no longer have enough tanks to field a full armoured brigade like that... the world is getting so much more dangerous and we can no longer 100% even rely on the US. Donald Trump will do as he pleases NATO treaty or not and as such Europe MUST step up and be capable of defending itself possibly without US help. Russia is an incredibly dangerous enemy because Putin has doubled down and is transferring his country to a full war footing. Like we did in WWII everything in Russia is subordinated to the military effort and when peace or victory comes in Ukraine within a very short period of time they will be an ever increasing threat again. A threat we know Putin will actually follow through with if he chooses. Russia will be a war economy outproducing us and we may never have the time to catch up.

@s3p4kner

4 ай бұрын

It's a theme of looking good, sounding tough, but then slice away the budget until nothing is left. 36 squadrons of fighter now just 6. 51 Frigates in the Navy, now less than 10. The 1st thing PM Cameron did was berate Labour for making the QE carrier contract so watertight that it would've cost more to cancel than to build them and the idiot thought he was being smart to say it out loud let alone in PMQs. Call Russia and China the bogeyman then cut spending and manpower. Only politicians can be so incompetent?

Pardon ? Couldn't hear you then.

Both Ajax and Boxer, overrun on costs, require years of development. and while I have no doubt the army will be grateful for newer replacements, and operate them to the highest capabilities. The size of gulf between current capabilities and the evolving drone threats , make the delays even more worrying especially since 2014 , when stepping up to production and development urged more production lines and larger test groups than the horseguards parade , which can probably fit all these in and sill leave space for the corporal major to make an effective parade around !

Okay great platform not enough made. Not enough soldiers to fight modern warfare

While its referred to as a recon vehicle, I tend to think of it as a Warrior replacement. The Boxer is a wheeled taxi.

@AnthonySpringall

7 ай бұрын

If you want to do recon, get a drone, get on a electric bike etc.

@ryanwatt6560

6 ай бұрын

it isn’t replacing the warrior.

@TrangleC

6 ай бұрын

People tend to underestimate the Boxer because it looks like any other 8x8 APC, but it actually is twice as heavy as all the other ones and plays in its own league. It is the only wheeled APC in the 40 ton class, with protection levels equal to that of a modern tracked IFV. That is why they can do stuff with it like put a 155mm howitzer module on it and fire it in all directions without tipping the vehicle over and without need for extendable stabilization legs. It can be used as a "taxi" (x), but isn't limited to that role, thanks to its unique modularity. (x) The German army is currently building up what they call "Medium Forces", which basically turn their former "Jaeger" light infantry, which formally would only use trucks, cars and helicopters for transport, into something akin to US Army Stryker battalions/regiments. For that they are getting different types of Boxers, some simple "taxi" APC versions only armed with .50cal heavy MGs and 40mm automatic grenade launchers and some with a 30mm cannon and a ATGM launcher, much like the Australian recon version of the Boxer, just that the gun turret is purely external and does not penetrate into the passenger compartment, enabling that version to still transport the full contingent of 8 passengers.

@Twirlyhead

6 ай бұрын

So why do you tend to think it is a "Warrior replacement" when it certainly isn't. Do you know something that nobody else on Earth does ? Do tell.

@michaelhughes4562

6 ай бұрын

How many personnel can the Ajax hold

Pity its not exactly user friendly. Can't understand why they didn't just upgrade Warrior or buy BAE's Cv series.

Doesn't look like it's going to stop an AT missile now does it?

It’s not a combat vehicle, I thought it was a reconnaissance vehicle It’s very under gunned for combat…. Let’s hope it’s drone proof….

@stevestruthers6180

5 ай бұрын

Recce vehicles aren't really designed to function as offensive weapon systems. The expectation is that a recce crew will locate the enemy force, identify its size, strength, capabilities, weapon systems and direction of movement, or its location within a grid square, and maintain contact and continuous surveillance with without being detected. The 40mm autocannon mounted on the Ajax recce variant is there mainly as a means of self-defence.

Better late than never... It seems like a good platform overall. Even though the gun has proven effective in trials, it still looks a bit of a 'pea shooter' to me, compared to the actual size of the vehicle. However, I know looks can be deceiving sometimes, so only time will tell if it's: Ajax the Great or Ajax the Lesser... Let's hope it proves itself with good, tactical awareness to assist in the field, with the ability to dash from midfielder to striker, occasionally ⚽️ Atb Gus 👍

@DieyoungDiefast

5 ай бұрын

It's a pile of shit, and that's being kind. Rubber tracks won't make much difference since the wheels have rubber tyres and the tracks have rubber pads. All rubber tracks will do is decrease maintenance, which is a bloody pain. Bad enough on a CVRT, luckily I haven't had the pleasure of trackbashing an AS90 or CRAARV. (managed to be elsewhere ) Hell General Dynamics lost another Govt contract when they failed to deliver on a new communications package.

@will.s4611

5 ай бұрын

its because a friend of friend got a contract at 5.5 BILLLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when denmark got 500 cv90's for 40 million.............@@DieyoungDiefast

@will.s4611

5 ай бұрын

should of just upgraded the warrior turret with bushmaster but apparently rich posh twats know best

Fire-power lightweight? How many of these things carry anti-armour missiles? Why not use small drones for recon?

@wnose

5 ай бұрын

Drones can be knocked out by electronic warfare

What's wrong with the CV90 at £4.5m each not the £28.5m each that the totally incompetent UKMOD procurement department.

Thing is, so much has changed. Now you just drop a grenade into an open hatch with a drone. How will it defend against that? Future proofed? Already obsolete before it's even seen combat?

Oops, crew of two, commander, driver and gunner ???

@johnhodgson8684

2 ай бұрын

Crew of Two , commander gunner and Driver. 2 Not commander, gunner and driver. 3 The commander is also the Gunner

The same Ajax we were supposed to base our new Army structure on which is late, caused men to go deaf and injured them, which we still have not got enough of?

@DieyoungDiefast

5 ай бұрын

That's the one.

@billpugh58

5 ай бұрын

nothing will ever get past you armchair warriors will it🤣🤣

A white elephant

22 mil for 1 vehicle 😮 ... 2 mil transport for 1 solgier ... he can have personal hellicopter for that money 😅

HMG doing things on the cheap, should have stayed with the warriors and upgraded them.

Ajax. Boxer. Difference?

biggest mistake in the british ifv program was not having a HOMEGROWN BRITISH COMPANY build a british ifv

Bring back warrior tested in all fronts of war. Put new technology into the warrior safe money instead of exploiting money with new technology

Should have went for the CV90

@BigDaddyButthead90

4 ай бұрын

Too big

pity it dont work, harms the crew

@Orbital_Inclination

5 ай бұрын

That's old information, it now works well and doesn't cause injury to the crew

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

Jesus christ it had teething problems like any new contract and are fixed now, do you ppl ever educate yourselves or just keep parroting the same shit u heard down the pub 9 months ago.

Does not look as nimble as the warrior

General Dynamics… 😢 complete waste of money

So its a revolutionary vehicle how? It replaces scimitar recon vehicle and it's more lethal and survivable: ofcourse it will be as they replaced a recon vehicle with a tracked ifv. It's lethal gun is 40mm cased ammo: Wheeled ifv has 105 mm guns. It's a new vehicle: Based on old Ascod.

Ajax gets a lot of hate but im confident that over time, once all issues have been worked through, it will prove itself. The warrior and scimitar are very outdated by todays standards so im sure these vehicles will give troops way better protection, firepower and situational awareness.

@billyponsonby

7 ай бұрын

Nope. There’s ZERO chance this program will deliver vehicles before 2030 and probably will be cancelled before then.

@AB-gi3qy

7 ай бұрын

@@billyponsonby Ajax has resumed trials now and the issues have now been worked through as far as I'm aware.

@peterwait641

7 ай бұрын

Panther Command vehicle problems never really resolved, ASCOD on which Ajax based concept from 1982 , warrior contract 1984

@peterwait641

7 ай бұрын

@@billyponsonby Over 400 hulls have been built , gone to far now . Expect they will change to rubber tracks at some stage to reduce wear and vibration at Government expense lol

@AB-gi3qy

7 ай бұрын

@@peterwait641 The new American M10 Booker is built on ASCOD too as far as I'm aware.

Not much firepower for £5 Billion +

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

What part of "scout" did you miss lad.

@Dingdangdoo

5 ай бұрын

@@furiousscotsman2916 drones would be better for scouting lad.

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

@@Dingdangdoo Ahhh yes drones that are liable to AA and EWAR, this is specifically for manned recon missions thats it's entire job, tell me can u do manned recon missions with a drone ?? you want to strap 17 drones together and dangle a paratrooper under it or whats your plan?

Scrap metal.can be taken out by drone's and missiles at almost no cost

Way too big for a recce vehicle, money obviously changed hands or directorships.

Just out of curiosity, how many of the initial and subsequent set of infantry triallers lasted longer than 1 hour without serious temporary injury. And how did such a bad vehicle in terms of human minimum levels of habitaility comfort get this far into the trial? Oh, and one last, simple question. Are you (a) a bot repeating the bullshit, (b) a paid shill, or (c) looking for clicks for a profit basis no matter what it does to the recipients of its' enthusiastical vibrations. Oh, and just as a minor point; had proper testing have been done, some of my mates would not now suffer from deafness and white limb syndrome.

@cjjk9142

3 ай бұрын

Fixed now

Compro 500.000 unidades para o exército brasileiro do comando do sul 500.000 unidades para o exército brasileiro do comando do norte 500.000 unidades para o exército brasileiro do comando do leste 500.000 unidades para o exército brasileiro do comando do oeste

Out of date. Drones rule.

Not an IFV

Waste of money, drones and artillery will make short work of it.

@Orbital_Inclination

5 ай бұрын

It's as if you don't realise it wouldn't be working alone

@Dingdangdoo

5 ай бұрын

@@Orbital_Inclination it’s as if you don’t realise the enemy artillery and drones wouldn’t be working alone.

@Orbital_Inclination

5 ай бұрын

@@Dingdangdoo that's how wars work, both sides fielding a range of capabilities. That certainly doesn't make this vehicle a waste of money, it just means it has to work with other elements to remain as protected as possible.

@Dingdangdoo

5 ай бұрын

@@Orbital_Inclinationbut the UK’s range of capabilities seem more expensive but inferior to everybody else’s.

Too little too late a joke

Is this the tank that defend 120 troops and got them out of the army and the same tank that cannot fire it's main gun on the move and the same tank the reme said it the worse tank to maintain becouse half the parts where rubbish in the first place another yank job sold to Britain

SAME AS THE 430 SERIES BUT 60 YEARS LATER!! WHO IS MAKING MONEY OUT OF THIS!! THE GOVERNMENT ARE S??T??

@Andrew-Lee91

6 ай бұрын

What did you expect? A stealth mech transformer with a rail gun, silent mode and 200 km/h top speed? F*cking he'll. If you're that smart show your product and your quality smart ass

Trash product and should never been ordered.

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

says who ??? you ?

This looks like a seriously misguided project. These things wouldn't last long in Ukraine!

@samshooter160

5 ай бұрын

Bradley ifv have been rated very highly, this vehicle is superior to the odst Bradley’s in a huge variety of ways. All vechikes can be destroyed but this seems like a potentially a very nifty system

@spandley

5 ай бұрын

How can you say that???

@andrewmount5717

5 ай бұрын

Based on what evidence?

@wnose

5 ай бұрын

Cope harder lol

@darrenjones3681

5 ай бұрын

Bigger gun than Bradley but the uk government should have gone for the CV90 already proven

CV90 forever!!!!!

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

One is a IFV the other IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Dingdangdoo

5 ай бұрын

@@furiousscotsman2916 One is shit the other (CV90) is not.

@furiousscotsman2916

5 ай бұрын

@@Dingdangdoo Please tell me how it's shit.