hey lovelies ❤ instead of telling me your headcanons for why that one interesting case of authorial-blindness-induced plothole I'm having so much fun analyzing actually makes perfect sense as long as you pretend something that didn't happen onscreen and was never discussed actually did happen, please refer to 15:51 and also internalize the distinction between watsonian and doylist explanations for things (A QUICK EDIT: hey guys so I consumed the sacred spice of Arrakis and it showed me a mystic vision that said that "butlerian jihad" thing you keep talking about was actually only written out in any detail in the 2000s by frank herbert's son decades after he died and also decades after the cell phone was invented, making it the exact opposite of a refutation of my point about dune not inventing phones. sorry to disappoint but I'm a space chosen one now or something and my mystic visions are always correct. thanks for making me google dune sequels though, that worm centaur guy was pretty cool) ok love you bye 😘 -R

@fucin

Жыл бұрын

love you too red 😳

@falconJB

Жыл бұрын

Frank Herbert did think of it, it was critical to the society before the Butlerian Jihad, we know this because he wrote it down for us to read. This isn't just 'us' coming up with retroactive justifications. The in-universe reason for why the Great Houses rose to power is they exploited the chaos from the destruction of the communications networks during the Butlerian Jihad. Prior to the Great Revolt the galaxy was dependent on near instantaneous communication from anywhere to anywhere, the destruction of that ability is what leads to the feudalistic society we see in Dune.

@MAMAJUGO

Жыл бұрын

In Frank Herbert's defense, sending a text while on drugs is hard

@BLACKIR0NTARKUS

Жыл бұрын

Is this the hand of the author? I take bite :)

@magnumsmth

Жыл бұрын

Replying to this comment for visibility read because internet if you want to know more about how phones and the Internet changed normalcy

The reason Leia couldn't just email the death star plans to Obi-Wan is that the Jedi code forbids attachments.

@kjj26k

Жыл бұрын

_omfg_

@wolvenarmor9452

Жыл бұрын

HOW does this only have 35 likes this is gold

@SaucerheadTharp

Жыл бұрын

I see what you did there.gif

@theycallmejodamo

Жыл бұрын

I hate you so much right now 🤣🤣🤣

@everythingiscool6228

Жыл бұрын

My parents are looking at me funny now because I burst out laughing reading this.

I'm reminded of the quote "A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam."

@KatriceMetaluna

10 ай бұрын

By this reckoning no sci-fi that speculated on the emergence of artificial intelligence was all that good.

@daygenandrews1321

9 ай бұрын

​@@KatriceMetalunaIRobot would like a word with you

@Vassilinia

9 ай бұрын

You guys should be UMM AKSHUALLY-ing the OP, not Katrice. They are just saying the quote from the person OP is quoting is flawed.

@zenphir9051

9 ай бұрын

@@Vassilinia But why though? OP isn’t the person they’re disagreeing with.

@seriousmaran9414

9 ай бұрын

Do you think there was no traffic jams involving horse drawn wagons? Not only predictable but inevitable. Just most people never considered the issue.

In my D&D group, we had a warlock who was psychically linked to his patron. He abused this mercilessly to ask for advice so often that eventually I made hold music for the DM to play when the warlock was out of contact with his patron

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

6 ай бұрын

You could justify it with the Patron being exasperated with the mortal.

@user-fs6cs1qk1n

3 ай бұрын

me (wizard) watching cleric's pray for stuff when if I have a question, I just cast contact other plane to facetime god.

@tekbox7909

2 ай бұрын

Why do you think the patron makes hold music? If he really couldn't be reached there would be no music

@tastyhaze2058

Ай бұрын

​@@tekbox7909Because DnD is a made-up game about wizards and dragons that is oftentimes quite silly? And having hold music would be really funny?

I'm reminded of a scene I wrote in a modern fantasy sort of setting where a guy is sneaking around and his phone rings, so he rushes to shut it up before it gives him away, and then a minute later he gets a magic message directly into his brain from his Sister asking, "Why aren't you answering your phone?"

@clawcakes2

Жыл бұрын

THIS IS SO FUNNY I LOVE IT

@voltronimusprime3833

Жыл бұрын

Is this story available to read somewhere? Because it sounds hilarious.

@soulgalaxywolf1024

Жыл бұрын

Then the brother replies: "why didn't you do this first? I'm trying not to get noticed here!" 😂🤣

@samakiraroyjanssen6326

Жыл бұрын

“I’m trying to not get captured here!” “Oh, sorry. I’ll call you back later, k?” “Just use magical head voice!”

@thefrozenwarrior2159

11 ай бұрын

I need to read this.

I work with middle schoolers, and I had to explain what a phone book was to one of them. When I told her it was a book filled with everyone’s phone number, her eyes got big and she went, “That’s creepy.” This feels like a real world example of your argument here.

@jackalope2302

Жыл бұрын

😂

@lemmetalkaboutthis

Жыл бұрын

I was explaining a programm to a newby and told him to "just click the floppy-disk icon to quick-save", and he just looked me dead in the eye and went "what the hell is a floppy-disk?" And it struck me - most younger folk only know the save-progress-icon as this weird square or rectangle with some plates and lines on it that is just kinda used everywhere, and have no idea that it's actually an image of a floppy-disk in a sort of homage

@k-techpl7222

Жыл бұрын

​@@lemmetalkaboutthis I find the fact people don't know what a floppy disk even though I was born in the XXI century. Have they not had a stash of old items? Have they not watched media older than they are? Is that just, not normal?

@GuiSmith

Жыл бұрын

@@k-techpl7222 I dunno. I was born in 1999 and had classmates who didn’t know what floppy disks were besides having been told “don’t touch that” as kids. They were mostly storing stuff like old office programs and photos for the really old computers their parents had. Meanwhile, I did know what they were because my dad had an old CAD program he ran a few times in front of me off some. However, I’ve also always seen save icons as “looks like a hard drive”, and floppy discs are frankly just a thinner, portable, delicate hard drive.

@lemmetalkaboutthis

Жыл бұрын

@@k-techpl7222 I mean, I was born 97, and never used them, but I was told what they were at least. Also still used video tape for a while there and other bit outdated stuff since we couldn't afford a bunch of new stuff

One of my all time favorite moment in Critical Role's history is that time when Jester realized she could use the Sending Spell to annoy random people she met or heard off. The look of absolute horror on Matt's face as he realized what this spell can do in the wrong hands... ...and then, 50 episodes or so later, he weaponized it as his big bad was harassing Caleb with sending.

@frantisekvrana3902

Жыл бұрын

In my D&D campaign, I specifically gave the royal family earrings that stop mental effects (and give resistance to Psychic damage), from spells of lower level than five from non-trusted sources. This includes sending spell. The king needs to be protected both from compulsions and from telepathic harassment. You see, a king is famous enough to for anybody in the kingdom to be _familiar_ with him, and really doesn't want every lv5+ spellcaster with Sending being able to backseat-rule.

@justinalicea1590

Жыл бұрын

​@@frantisekvrana3902 So you have the royal post office to shift through the physical mail of the king, and then the king just has "block all" on for mental mail.

@reubenoakley5887

Жыл бұрын

"Hi, I'm looking for a Mister Jass, first name Hugh"

@Gilleban

Жыл бұрын

"Are you pooping?" or any other time Jester decided that, to be worth a Sending, she had to use ALL 25 words.

@halocrafter300

Жыл бұрын

“This is possibly my father you guys, I have to sound cool.” … “Hi Dad!”

"Dearest Martha, it has been TWO AGONIZING HOURS since I last parted from your DMs." When I tell your, I LAUGHED HARD. XD

@Banana_Zach

9 ай бұрын

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME

I think it’s hilarious in sci-fi, even modern sci-fi, there’s this insistence on face to face communication no matter how impractical (holograms, picture phones) rather than simpler voice communication. And while I understand the reason is aesthetic for the sake of the visuals, it makes me laugh because IRL most people hate FaceTime and video calls unless there’s a specific reason like to see someone’s baby or better explain to your grandma how to set up her TV.

@nagillim7915

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Like there's always that one person on the Teams meeting who insists everyone has to turn their cameras on because it's more social and 90% of the people in the meeting either groan or make an excuse why they can't come on camera at that moment... or both.

@ravensblade

Жыл бұрын

Well it's the same reason as to why characters in fantasy don't wear helmets in battle.

@TwentySeventhLetter

Жыл бұрын

It's an interesting parallel to the development of communication technology and culture to see the newfound value of privacy in an information-overloaded world

@emcaco

Жыл бұрын

I get the need for faces to be seen in movies...but some movies set in modern times are so creative and fun with their talking-on-the-phone visual mosaics or montages. I'd love to see some of that brought into scifi

@zenvariety9383

11 ай бұрын

It depends on on preferences. I prefer texting over talking on a phone and video chat and speaking to someone face to face. I mainly hate talking on phones due to people mistaking me for a woman even though I'm a biological man.

I find it so funny how this Trope Talk started as “how the march of real-world communications technology influences communication in fiction” and ended with “Red gives us the play-by-play of how a simple innocuous addition to her own long-running story gave her an existential crisis.”

@blue-raptor4017

Жыл бұрын

Oh to be a writer that has a existential crisis over the smallest thing… totally never happens, not at all -

@chocobear4078

Жыл бұрын

@@blue-raptor4017 are you okay?

@blue-raptor4017

Жыл бұрын

@@chocobear4078 oh yeah I’m fine, just a joke

@liimlsan3

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, as someone who also read a lot of Elfquest, we are not the first to have tech and lore break our plots. (Terrifyingly, one of the initials in my username is an Elfquest Spirit Name I used for myself, and then forgot that's what it started as.)

This isn't a trope talk. This is a half-hour documentary about the evolution of communication tech and the way creators use of communication in their works evolved alongside it. I'm not mad. Nor disappointed. Frankly, I'm just impressed. This is amazing.

@scottdoesntmatter4409

Жыл бұрын

By the way, things like wireless telephones functional anywhere like they are today require satellites. Funny thing is, on most alien planets, this wouldn't be an option in science fiction.

@keng4244

Жыл бұрын

@@scottdoesntmatter4409 Unless whatever spaceship those characters came in either retained those capabilities while in orbit, or dropped off something in orbit prior to making their way down to the planet. It's something work keeping in mind during our own real life space exploration going forward.

@scottdoesntmatter4409

Жыл бұрын

@@keng4244 This is a terrible video. Not only does she forget this concept of satellites being necessary for telecommunications, she also forgets that no rational, intelligent player of D&D would waste a slot, especially an upper level slot of spells for simply harassing a NPC. If they did, most GM's would send a few encounters their way, depleting their spellcasting immediately, and then ask them if they ever want to blow spell slots on useless harassment. I sure as heck would!

@derektom14

Жыл бұрын

@@scottdoesntmatter4409 It sounds like you've never met Jester Lavorre/Laura Bailey. Players often have downtime in which they don't have to use their spells for combat, so using them for sending is better than doing nothing. Just because you would have the universe reorient itself to punish a player for creative use of a spell doesn't mean "most" DMs would, I wouldn't and nor would the ones I've played with.

@alexanderglass2057

Жыл бұрын

@@scottdoesntmatter4409 man you are sad. You’re the guy who requires everyone to min max, for them not to lose their character, because there wasn’t enough conflict for you. You’re lacking the idea of social conflict, and emotional conflict. Work on using those instead of combat.

Ya know it just occurred to me that since Aurora’s version of a phone is a wind elemental messenger bird, she could just make the excuse for why it doesn’t work be “it was too windy and it got blown to smithereens”

@Excelsior1937

6 ай бұрын

Red needs to see this

@LineOfThy

5 ай бұрын

or maybe some sort of magical message-bird shooting machine that runs off a lacrima

@ashlingemberstone3913

2 ай бұрын

@@LineOfThythe amount of “bop-“ sound affects would be amazing

It’s like when covid happened and every show came up with an excuse to have the main characters stay in their homes

@intellectually_lazy

9 ай бұрын

ja, like 2 or 3 years later

@J-manli

9 ай бұрын

@@intellectually_lazy Fictional media tends to be delayed 2 to even 10 years later from the real life events that inspired them.

@matt0044

8 ай бұрын

Doctor Who: Flux merely got crazy with VFX and body doubles.

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

Can you give examples?

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

2 ай бұрын

Are there any examples?@@intellectually_lazy

Thing that happened to my group in D&D when using an ally’s sending stone: Player: “Are you okay? Where are you at?” Lich holding the ally hostage: “Wrong number (23 words worth of laughter)”

@spritemon98

Жыл бұрын

That's brilliant

@d.n5287

Жыл бұрын

Lich: "Your Mother's."

@gnarthdarkanen7464

Жыл бұрын

Oh we had plenty of fun and antics with those friggin' things... Re-skinned for a "flashing visual" and "Loudly Audible" message notification, so when the thief got a message in the midst of a stealth-check... um... it was bound NOT to go well for him... The team "assassin" (ranger) didn't appreciate them much either... NOTHING more distracting than brightly colored lights and "something like a series of short bursts from a fire-bell" at an inopportune moment... Artifacts and Magic Items found in ANCIENT ruins can be SOOOOoooo damnably much fun! ;o)

@arcticbanana66

Жыл бұрын

My group had an incident where we were sneaking into a lakeside town held by an enemy force. We defeated a patrol, and then heard a noise from the squad leader's pocket. It was a sending stone and they were asking why he hadn't reported in yet. I replied "Sorry, there was a magic miscast, but it's fine, we're fine, everything's fine, here, now, thank you. How are you?" Naturally we then had to play out the whole exchange. I'd never been awarded double Inspiration before.

@cyanrosespirit

Жыл бұрын

One of my parties had a PC and DMPC (we had a few that rotated through the party) with Sending Stones. Made sense as they were an Artificer and his great-great-granddaughter, a (homebrew) Gadgeteer Rogue. They were flavoured as hot pink Hello Kitty flip phones. (The artificer was an undead who had lived thousands of years ago when the world was high-tech; basically our world but with fantasy races. He often made references to missing videos games, or countries that no longer existed).

Red: "I'm not here" Literally everyone: *gasp*

@starmaker75

Жыл бұрын

She was in the walls…SHE IN THE GODDAMN WALLS!!

@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347

Жыл бұрын

@@starmaker75 And they were roommates!

@zainmudassir2964

Жыл бұрын

Red is everywhere and nowhere. An unsolvable paradox

@furrystarcat

Жыл бұрын

Ceci n'est pas une pipe

@Healermain15

Жыл бұрын

Ceci n'est pas une Rouge

"Speaking as someone with a large Jewish family I can say from firsthand experience that in this culture arguing is considered to be extremely healthy and necessary about anything and everything all the time." *THANK. YOU.*

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

6 ай бұрын

You need therapy.

@thatkidwiththehoodie

5 ай бұрын

@@BrunoMaricFromZagrebI think it’s an exaggeration lmao, but friends who know much more about Judaism than I do, I’ve gathered that enthusiastic debate is, in fact, a Thing in Jewish culture.

@LineOfThy

5 ай бұрын

and people think you guys are actually lizard people who control the world from the shadows. actually now that I think about it-

@siyacer

2 ай бұрын

Judaism moment

@ViviBuchlaw

Ай бұрын

Where does she say this? I missed it 😭

In 1953, Ray Bradbury published a short story called "The Murderer," in which people's radio wristwatches and personal background music are recognizable as cell phones and unlimited streaming music. Especially since the people in this future act in ways that were strange when the story was published, but are extremely relatable today: they panic when loved ones stop checking in every 2 minutes, they're unable to strike up conversations with strangers when they can't use their radio wristwatches to ignore their neighbors, and they spend most of their days drifting around in blissful musical bubbles, serenely self-satisfied and disinterested in anyone else's problems. The amount he got right in that story is frankly incredible. And, of course, in the same year, his novel _Fahrenheit 451_ introduced the Seashell, which was nothing less than a noise-canceling, radio-receiving earbud... as well as on-demand, personally-tailored television on increasingly massive screens. I will say, however, that as someone who chooses not to use a cellphone, I'm treated far better than Bradbury's stories predicted.

That "Why did Han need to go look for Luke instead of calling him" at least is an easy one. Luke was caught in a snowstorm and those tend to disrupt signals heavily.

@rmsgrey

Жыл бұрын

Also, "he hasn't checked in" presumably includes not answering his pager...

@krissybaglin9206

Жыл бұрын

It's also radio silence too. Plus. If the empire intercepted a long range transmission then it would have busted the whole fucking opperation when they realised 'fuck wait these plans suggest that the design has a key structural weakness they can easily exploit, we should triple security, place a couple frigates there, and not engage the rebels with out being prepared for this specific eventuality. The point wasn't JUST getting the plans, it was also keeping them away from the empire

@wesleyjarboe9571

Жыл бұрын

His lightsaber was on the ground, out of his reach, when he woke up with his feet frozen to the ceiling. Presumably the rest of his equipment, including his communicator, was likewise scattered around the cave. He just wasn't able to find it before he left the cave. Jedi have a strong link with their lightsabers, which explains why he was able to find that, even though he wasn't a fullly trained Jedi yet. The fact that he wasn't fully trained explains why he wasn't able to find the rest of his equipment.

@JohnSmith-bn5mi

Жыл бұрын

I also like to think the reason they didn't send a call directly to "Old Ben" was because the Empire could monitor communications through normal means, and Obi-Wan had been noncommunicable for years so he didn't ave a secure line.

@Demogarose

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-bn5mi Retroactive explanation for what the writers never even considered, as Red points out in the video. The fact that it has to BE rationalized is part of what Red was addressing here. Just because we can make it make sense, doesn't mean it was written that way on purpose.

We don't even realize how powerful communication is because it's so natural to us. The fact that cell phones have to be routinely written out of horror movies is a big one I think. The ability to call someone and say "help" has to be accounted for otherwise the tension rings hollow.

@Rynamony

Жыл бұрын

On the other hand, I think we're missing on the potential of a character being in a horrible, scary situation, while able to freely communicate with their loved ones, and the loved ones being able to know exactly what's happened and still being unable to help. I once read a short story about this concept, where a girl ends in a parallel universe filled with monsters and such, but her phone still works to call home. The main character is actually the sister of the one who dissapeared, who is thus aware of everything her sister's going through but can't do anything other than provide moral support. The story ends when the phone's battery runs out and the girl's never heard of again.

@leonardrodriguez1501

Жыл бұрын

@@Rynamony sounds creepy and amazing. Such a powerful tool creates so many good story telling opportunities. Just the idea of not having it can shake us to our core anyone. Like that story. Phone died, so what hope is there left.

@Duiker36

Жыл бұрын

@@Rynamony Holy shit that would fuck me up. It's brilliant and I never want to hear this premise again.

@dextro_whatever

Жыл бұрын

Yep were not in the world of “oh no the phone lines been cut” anymore. I’ve seen this explored in some recent stuff tho. Horror set in rural areas sometimes takes advantage of the fact that even in the US some places have bad/no cell service. Most recently there have been films in which the phone/internet/video call is the creepy thing. And I’ve heard it suggested that the next step in horror will be deepfakes and stolen-identity horror, which could do some super interesting stuff with the concept of interpersonal and parasocial relationships and how they’ve changed because of the internet and cell phones. So I think we’ve almost moved past cell phones being written out of horror movies, but it needs to become a part of films in the way it’s a part of normal peoples lives I think.

@chloepainter4064

Жыл бұрын

I want a modern gas light. That film is so good. I imagine it where she’s got an iPhone and stuff but is so thoroughly psychologically isolated from any support she either doesn’t even think to use it to call for help, or communicates all the time, but never honestly about her situation, so her Allie’s don’t even know she needs help.

The photo of the Lunar lander descending that Michael Collins took was the first photo to include every human who was alive or had been alive to that point...except for one: him. It's amazing and bittersweet to realize that Collins took a photo of all of humanity, and couldn't be in it because he had to hold the camera.

@aayushkothekar

10 ай бұрын

But it doesn't include all ofhumanity as almost half are behind the earth not seen in the camera

@The_Viscount

10 ай бұрын

@@aayushkothekar arguably, it does. They're still in the frame even if obscured. Its a poetic and philisophical statement I'm making. Not a literal one.

@intellectually_lazy

9 ай бұрын

right, that was the 3rd guy from genesis?

@intellectually_lazy

9 ай бұрын

@@The_Viscount oh darnit! i gotta undermine my joke because now i wanna argue for real: no one was in that picture, just earth and space. zoom in all you want, you won't see any earth people in that pic, ever

@ikebirchum6591

8 ай бұрын

He should've taken a selfie

Red in most videos: here are examples from media that demonstrate tropes. Red here: borrowing Blue's hat for a history lesson. ❤

@TrinityCore60

8 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie, I love this approach.

I love how Rick Riordan treated this trope in his Percy Jackson and the Olympians universe. The heroes can't use normal cellphones without EXTREME risk because the enemies can trace those to them very accurately. The gods and demigods DO have their own communication thing called 'Iris messages'... but it has quite a couple of prerequisites for it to work. You need: 1) golden Drachmas to pay for the connection through an offering; 2) water and light available in such a way that you can create a rainbow (because Iris is personified as a rainbow) to *create* the connection in the first place; 3) The goddess Iris being active and doing her job as normal and *not being captured or incapacitated.* This means that a lot of the time, the heroes will have an issue creating a connection based on points 1 and 2, and there's this constant tension that everyone hopes that Hermes-be-blessed Iris is fine and doing her job, to the point that when sending an Iris message *works,* it's basically a massive sigh of relief.

@falquicao8331

Жыл бұрын

The loss of Iris messages for most of TOA was one of the most anxiety-inducing aspect of the Triumvirate in my opinion.

@notlurking2128

Жыл бұрын

It also made me think of the delightful scene where the dyslexic ADHD demigods who want to read just have like, stacks of CD audiobooks and CD players everywhere

@alongfortheride1016

Жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, Iris also had to be in a good mood at the time- or not be pissed at whomever was making the connection.

@brianroberts783

Жыл бұрын

Hey, you stole my comment! Edited: By that I mean my idea for a comment, not an actual comment I had made.

@The_Darke_Lorde

Жыл бұрын

Percy's essentially summed it up as being more effective than a multimedia ad campaign and a firework display at revealing their location

There was definitely a weird transitional period where TV writers hadn't figured out that everyone has cellphones yet, and kept writing contemporary idiot plots where people don't bother using those dang phones!

@legomaniac213

Жыл бұрын

For a famous (and stupid) example: the plot of New Moon would have been resolved in 5 minutes if Edward had even tried to text Bella to see if she was still alive.

@Anastas1786

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Unless there's a sudden, major change that simply _cannot_ be overlooked by anyone with a pulse, it tends to take about 15 to 20 years for current trends and tech to make it to TV and movies.

@rmsgrey

Жыл бұрын

@@Anastas1786 The obvious explanation for this is that people making decisions about content for TV and movies are in their 30s and 40s, while the people adopting current trends and tech are in their teens and 20s, so it takes that long for things to change from being newfangled nonsense the kids are doing to natural and normal things everyone has done practically forever.

@mewmeister8650

Жыл бұрын

@@rmsgrey That really isn't true anymore. Most of the current workforce have grown up in a world with constant technological advancements and are fairly used to the changing times.

@MereMeerkat

Жыл бұрын

I remember a lot of clumsy plot points trying to handwave the fact that they even exist. Oh, you did think of calling the cops, but there's no cell service...IN DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES? I would honestly have preferred the character to have straight up forgotten their phone.

Funny story about Sending Stones: I once ran Waterdeep Dragon Heist, a low-level D&D adventure module, for my friends and as a joke I decided that the city watchmen would each carry Sending Stones like they were cops with radios. It occurred to me that the more I played into this bit, the more the city watchmen actually became a competent police force that was REALLY difficult to deal with. Any given watchman could radio their dispatch officer, who would then put out an APB to every watchman in the district and suddenly a simple robbery would turn into a GTA-style massive chase scene. They could even deploy Griffin riders with their own Sending Stones like they were police choppers to keep track of quickly fleeing suspects no matter where they ran to.

@SkyPerson

9 күн бұрын

That’s sounds like it would’ve been a lot of fun Hope your players weren’t frustrated by it

@abadidea5984

9 күн бұрын

@@SkyPerson they loved it! Guardsmen becoming a credible threat meant they had to get more creative with their heists!

There was an interesting period in the late 90s to early 2000s with shows like the X Files and Buffy where the writers had a lot of trouble writing plots that weren't ruined by the characters having cellphones

“Oz doesn’t have a telecommunications network, it’s just a panopticon” That’s a terrifying way to put it, but I get it.

@davidegaruti2582

Жыл бұрын

Having two panopticon tecnically allows you to communicate

@Kikalenew42

Жыл бұрын

@@davidegaruti2582 Mutually assured communication

@incanusolorin2607

Жыл бұрын

@@davidegaruti2582 How?

@tbotalpha8133

Жыл бұрын

@@incanusolorin2607 You can just look at each other's locations, and either talk out loud (if the device has sound), or write things down and hold them up to the air for the other person to see.

@sinisternorimaki

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@davidegaruti2582 How the heck do you connect two panopticons, they're circular buildings!

_when you text your friend and they don't text back_ A communications disruption could mean only one thing: Invasion.

@MereMeerkat

Жыл бұрын

"Or they didn't pay the phone bill!"

@Gloomdrake

Жыл бұрын

​@@MereMeerkat "INVASION!"

@zephyrerazortail5478

Жыл бұрын

Then my friend must be invaded every 2 seconds XD

@glasscardproductions4736

Жыл бұрын

​​@@MereMeerkat, then they've been invaded by their telephone company!

@evanlogan3595

Жыл бұрын

@@glasscardproductions4736 Comstar Sends It's Regard!

I remember my dad pausing movies and going "Look kids, that's a pager/fax/phone line, that's what we used in the ancient times" and we'd all roll our eyes, pretending that we had totally known what those things were.

Fun fact about the Star Wars examples: both are later explained by the story. In A New Hope, the Death Star plans have to be physically transported bc the Empire can too easily intercept the plans being sent through communication technology, and in The Empire Strikes Back, the snowstorm is explicitly blocking their comms, which is why they have to physically search for Luke.

@darthrizi7340

2 ай бұрын

Also the way Obi-Wan lived as a desert hermit he may not have even had a space phone.

@MrSaturnMusic

Ай бұрын

I was thinking about that too The plans weren't "emailed" as we know today, where the recipient(s) gets effectively a new copy, and the original still exists, it's more like actual mail, the empire was mailing it and the rebels stole their letter, if they turned around and mailed it again the empire would pretty easily just steal it back It's a pretty interesting thought though

@Naoto-kun1085

21 күн бұрын

That's still a perfect example of what Red is talking about because in modern times the idea of a snow storm blocking a phone signal is incomprehensible with our current technology, but Lucas never would have thought of that in the 80s! Even if there's an explanation for those things it's clear it was written with the current technology in mind

@usuallydead

7 сағат бұрын

​@@Naoto-kun1085 Also, I'm betting the Rebellion could have used something like a VPN or Tor to avoid governmental snooping.

Back in the 80s when portable phones were the size of briefcases, my dad got one and was instantly hooked. We were about to go to some family gathering, and mom and I were just about to open the door to the garage where dad was waiting. The phone rang. Mom grumbled, but decided she'd better answer it. It was dad, calling from the car asking us to hurry up. My parents laughed about that for a long time.

@Vinemaple

9 ай бұрын

I'm assuming that back in the 80s, your dad was doing it as a joke. Not the way people do it without the slightest irony these days. I'm always late to appointments these days, too, because I don't use a cell phone, and as I head out the door to go to my appointment, my landline rings, and it's the place I'm going to, calling to confirm my appointment.

@intellectually_lazy

9 ай бұрын

@@Vinemaple nice, me too. i haven't had a cell phone for a year, and i only got my house phone and wifi back on 4 months ago. people can't wrap their heads around it, lol

@Vinemaple

9 ай бұрын

@@intellectually_lazy Although saying, "I'm sorry, I don't have a cell phone. At all" generally gets me cheerful and well-reasoned workarounds, I have never gotten the exasperated, "Well, why NOT?!" (that I always expect) from anyone.

"In 25 words or less where exactly are you and how flammable is it" made me laugh out loud, it captures the essence of the average D&D session so perfectly! Edit: nevermind, "I need you to remember the voice you ad-libbed for scrungly the goblin. NOW" does an even better job LOL

I love how The Owl House not only had flying phones which are basically crows and scrolls which act as cell phones, but also a freaking social media parodying Instagram. Plus the flying microphones, cristal balls as computer or tv screens and gemstones as walkie talkies. It's a weird world building sometimes and I love it.

@J-manli

9 ай бұрын

Bit of a tangent, but seeing Owl House's use to magic-fueled technology really makes me annoyed about Harry Potter's world building and its utter refusal to use tech or even innovate. Using the slowest birds to send hand written letters in a country commonly covered in clouds when instant teleportation exists just baffles me.

@raidev_

6 ай бұрын

it makes the scenes of them not understanding human objects kinda weird in retrospect tho

@tarniabook3076

6 ай бұрын

@@raidev_ I mean, I'd be a bit confused if I didn't know what a cristal ball was and it would take me some time to figure out it's a "round TV".

@PlantaWho

3 ай бұрын

​@@J-manli funny you say that. Because that's exactly what Brennan Lee Mulligan said in a podcast with Matt Mercer. It's borderline animal abuse

@J-manli

3 ай бұрын

@@PlantaWho I was indeed referencing Mulligan. I did have qualms with HP’s world building as I got older, Mulligan just gave me a succinct example to showcase it.

I once had to write a series of missed calls from one character to another over the course of weeks, and it was heartbreaking. The increasing desperation of the voicemails, the desire to just see them again, to know he's still alive, it hurt. Just imagining getting into an awful argument with your best friend and they just vanish for weeks straight, no messages, no response, nothing. I had to actually imagine my best friend disappearing so I could write it, and I almost started crying.

@Cliffviewnightradiodj

10 ай бұрын

I’d love to read it

@JaelinBezel

10 ай бұрын

Would you like a hug?

@Vinemaple

9 ай бұрын

The amount of access, demanded by some of the "friends" I've had, has been extremely disturbing. Once I was able to tell someone "I'm not your boyfriend, you can't demand at-will access to me like you can your live-in boyfriend," and she realized what she was doing and quit, even apologizing... she went back to being a wonderful friend after that. Most of that type of "friend," however, ended up deciding I was cold, distant, and not interested in them, because I considered my response before replying, and didn't always reply within a week. But if you have a healthy, functional, and very close friendship with someone, yeah, that might be upsetting.

@intellectually_lazy

9 ай бұрын

-this is bojack, btw... horseman

@naolucillerandom5280

Ай бұрын

​​​@@Vinemaple yeah, no, if we're not close and you just vanish for a week I'd too would just assume you're not interested. Might be a generational thing.

There are these two young fish swimming along and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says “Morning, boys. How’s the water?” And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes “What the hell is water?”

@gutsmasterson2488

Жыл бұрын

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen that video. Every now and again when I’m bored, I will try to stop myself in reality and examine how things are the way they are.

@bingobango8168

Жыл бұрын

​@@gutsmasterson2488what video is it ?

@reubenoakley5887

Жыл бұрын

That would be like a human saying "what is weather?"

@MedicineStorm

Жыл бұрын

This video made me aware of the water I was in, and it blew my mind.

@airplanes_aren.t_real

Жыл бұрын

​@@reubenoakley5887 nah it's more like "hey there how's the radio?" "Wtf is a radio?"

Reminds me of the exchange from Firefly: Wash- "That sounds like something out of science fiction." Zoe- "We live in a spaceship dear." Wash- "So?"

@claremiller9979

Жыл бұрын

Like the opposite of when I do something relatively simple that was impossible when I was a kid, like paying a bunch of bills or booking a doctor's appointment from my phone in bed "Because we live in the future, dear"

@michaeldaniels642

Жыл бұрын

Context for anyone who sees this comment and doesn't recognize the quotes, the characters had just discovered another character on the ship was a psychic

@ferhog7705

Жыл бұрын

I remember when Sarah Z was asking on twitter for examples of bad self aware writing to use in her video on nerd culture, someone used this quote as an example since a spaceship would of course be completely normal to the characters and the line only makes sense from the audience's perspective. I haven't seen Firefly myself so I don't know if it's better in context.

@michaeldaniels642

Жыл бұрын

@@ferhog7705 the characters just discovered that another character was psychic. It is better in context.

@coreblaster6809

Жыл бұрын

​@@ferhog7705 If someone said "that sounds like something out of science fiction" while they were using a computer or we were in an airplane, I would definitely point that out

My mom always says that most older movies wouldn't work in a cell phone world cause all the problems could be easily solved by communication. So this was extremely interesting

Bro I’m in a one on one D&Dish campaign that’s in a modern setting. My DM has run it with a few friends; and so they expected me to use my character’s literal SUPERPOWERS to solve problems. What they did not expect was me to call the cops any time anything suspicious happened, then join a local news station, document all of the crime I saw, and then report the villains to the government. It is now a very DIFFERENT campaign, to say the least.

@AmarisFrede

10 ай бұрын

well played!

@TheNorthlander

9 ай бұрын

Bruh turned it from Dresten Files to X-Files. 💀

@bonefetcherbrimley7740

9 ай бұрын

Tell me more.

@lolli_popples

9 ай бұрын

@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 Uh well currently the main villain organization still has no clue who’s been leaking info to the news because I’ve never shown my face to them lol.

@bonefetcherbrimley7740

9 ай бұрын

Nice!@@lolli_popples

I didn’t expect to have the entirety of how I socialize completely torn apart in the first few seconds of this video. It was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

@Broomer52

Жыл бұрын

I tend to shy away from socialization. I’m mostly a lurker both irl and on the internet. I’m not sure if it’s a result of this or my hearing is really good but I just tune into what other people are saying and I’ve gotten really good at extrapolating information. Which makes talking to people harder because I’m several steps ahead in the conversation because I assume everyone is on the same page as me. Theirs this fan song I remember hearing for Bruno that i resonated really well with “everything is way too loud, the roar of the whispers in every crowd, I’m sick of all the noise right now! Can someone please just turn it down?”

@itspienoon7883

Жыл бұрын

​@@Broomer52 you mean Encanto? That song was fan made by KZreadr OR3O, written in the perspective of one of the characters in movie, Dolores

"In the more depressing cases, losing contact with your old friends." Or, for some of us, being able to ignore that high school ever happened was a big win.

@amethyst_cat9532

Жыл бұрын

Nowadays it looks more like deleting ton of your phone contacts as soon as you graduate. I did that about an hour after my high graduation ceremony and it felt so freeing

11:02 There is one author's saving throw that I appreciate to explain R2D2's needing to carry the plans, and that's simply because the Empire controls the phones. The rebels _couldn't_ just beam the plans to Yavin IV without allowing the Empire to their secret base's location. As for the "you're our only hope" message, that was a message recorded with R2's bodycam, not onto any kind of Internet equivalent.

@carolinemcgovern4488

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, this makes sense to me. It's fair enough that they wouldn't want to risk that/

32:45 The notion of “catch something in the mirror (of fiction) that’s shifted without our noticing” threw this whole essay into the realm of horror in a way it probably wasn’t intended.

I thought this was gonna be a video about how boomer writers often equate cellphones to "everything wrong with the kids these days," but this is just as fascinating.

@emanuelrojas2

Жыл бұрын

Ditto

This made me think about how everyone in the later seasons of stranger things has walkie talkies. Like everyone has one and they basically act as cell phones

@iantaakalla8180

Жыл бұрын

Similarly, Metal Gear Solid 3’s use of walkie talkie’s that somehow perfectly replace the Codec

@LiterallyCensoredDaily

Жыл бұрын

Or a more "old school" example, the fact that the C.B. radios in practically every car in Hazzard County become a plot point for almost every episode of "The Dukes Of Hazzard".

@Vinemaple

9 ай бұрын

Ooh, nice catch, they didn't, even in the aughties, VHF radio is very different from cellular tech.

@RickReasonnz

8 ай бұрын

Good point. The writers are probably so used to writing around the fact that most of their contemporary characters all have phones. Go watch most any show set after 2010. Dollars to donuts they'll use cell phones in some way.

Red better have like 3 doctorates with the level of research she does for these videos. I’m impressed!

I feel like this is a big moment for Red, going further than explaining tropes and actually starting to theorize about them

It's a rather pointed thing when the new D&D movie uses sending stones not just several times per day, but four different stones linked to each other simultaneously like they're straight up walkie talkies.

@rmsgrey

Жыл бұрын

They do at least put a time limit on the duration. I'd class that under "you can research new spells" rather than "casually ignoring official usage limits on an existing item"

Red is basically a cool aunt with a bunch of interesting stories and we are all her nephews and nieces that she is telling these storys to.

@silverjohn6037

Жыл бұрын

Speak for yourself youngun'. Some of us she's the hip young niece that's keeping us up to date with the cool new stuff;).

@cookieman5112

Жыл бұрын

@@silverjohn6037 that's also a viable option for the older meat puppets among us.

@danielkubicek1323

Жыл бұрын

Oh God, I'm an old meat puppet now. Next thing I know I'm gonna blink and everyone will be sending texts to eachother using brain implants and talking about how weird it was that we all had cars when teleportation was just so simple.

@hydractal

Жыл бұрын

​@@danielkubicek1323 The future is now old man

@danielkubicek1323

Жыл бұрын

@Hydrαngea 🌠 and according to the time I read that comment, the future was four minutes ago. Probably five by now. Or even six. Oh well, the future wasn't all that exciting, fun while it lasted I guess. 😁

Another thing I think is interesting about this might not be so much, "he didn't think of it" but that the idea of little brick that lets me always talk to anyone anywhere is one of those things that if I saw it in fiction without living now I'd call it a hack. It'd be such a deus ex machina piece of machinery that would be insane. Almost as crazy as using that exact same tiny box to ask for pizza and having it delivered to your house.

@carolinemcgovern4488

20 күн бұрын

Honestly, you're right. Half of the stuff we use our phones for would be a Deus Ex Machina in fiction.

The Ascendance of a Bookworm series has an interesting application of of telecommunications technology, the way the magic in general is used and affects the world is super interesting and deep. For communication they have magic tools that function as two-way voicemail (kinda like sending), they record a voice message, turn into a bird, fly unimpeded by physical barriers straight to the adressed person, repeat the message loudly 3 times and finally wait for a response and return when given one. The interesting thing about it to me is how non-private it is and background noise in the message is an important thing sometimes, as well as embarassing messages being heard by several people.

I realized how bad of an idea video phones actually are when I was sitting on the toilet one time, and my father just happened at that moment to discover Facetime, and attempted to videocall me SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW.

@Archgeek0

Жыл бұрын

The truest expression of terror. Solution, text back, not now, _poopin!_

@Dreamfox-df6bg

Жыл бұрын

We were warned about this in 'Spaceballs' in 1987.

@HOSER922

Жыл бұрын

@Daniel Wilson It took me the whole seven attempts to manage that text. Reject call, open text messages, reject call, type a few letters, reject call, etc. I think my exact text was, "I'm shitting. Stop." He didn't even need anything. Just saw it was a thing and wanted to try it out. You'd think he'd get the hint, but boomers be boomin.

@omppusolttu5799

Жыл бұрын

@@HOSER922 I mean you could've just pointed the camera away from you and said "I'm shitting" before closing the call, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

@jonskowitz

Жыл бұрын

"How many times have I told you to never call this wall! This is an unlisted wall!"

Can't wait for when we're all telepathically connected, and reading stories where people don't have a constant perfect mental connection are archaic and maybe even horror

@Technodreamer

Жыл бұрын

Reminiscent of the Martian hivemind from "A Miracle of Science"!

@jordanloux3883

Жыл бұрын

I recommend the Old Man's War series then. It'll give you a taste of what that's like, both the good, and the very bad

@dylandarnell3657

Жыл бұрын

@@Technodreamer Hey, a fellow MoS fan in the wild!

@jwatrous4473

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't mind being able to speak telepathically, but I want to break that connection when I want to be alone. Gotta charge those social batteries.

@stephanc6138

Жыл бұрын

there a story from an anime. Kino Travels (or something) where that has been done. not a good idea ...

“Columbo was a science fiction series” is not something I expected but am very glad I got

Me, reading Aurora: Aha! Thats the part she was talking about in the trope talk! Watching this video after reading Aurora: I know those characters now!! I got really excited lol Also everyone should read it it's super good! Edit: Also I think it's really interesting how in Aurora the magic message birbs are created through Wind magic, so they can only be used if the sender can command Wind magic, or have a Wind lacrima. This makes it so that it *can* be fairly common/easy for those who have access to the magic necessary, and uncommon/not easy for those without it. It's really cool writing is what I'm saying (like all of Aurora).

My personal "normalcy eureka moment" came a few years ago when I was relating a story from my time in high school to my wife, and commented that I should have just looked something up on my smartphone. Before realizing that I was talking about an event in 1988. And I was angry at myself not for having forgotten they were not a thing back then, but that I should have miraculously had one to fix the problem, because it made no sense to not fix it that way.

@agar322

6 ай бұрын

To me it was in 2017 when my mom asked me to get something she had forgotten in the trunk of her car, so I went down to the garage, opened the trunk, then seeing there were a lot of stuff there, I realized I had forgotten to ask her what the item was. So I sent her a message, she told me, then I sent a picture as confirmation I got the right one, she confirmed it, then on my way back up in the elevator I thought "Isn't this amazing? Just a few years ago I'd have to go aaaall the way back up to ask her, then I'd have to get back down, get the thing and pray I got the right one, else I'd need to go back to switch it with the right thing. But now, just a message and a picture and it's done."

You could definitely make an entire trope talk on modern horror movies' tactics for getting around the "everybody has a cell phone" problem.

@thomasffrench3639

Жыл бұрын

They best solution is that their phone dropped or they forgot where they left it. It would be really funny.

@baydiac

Жыл бұрын

I remember setting up a horror universe in the year 198X. Not out of a love for the 80's, I'm more a 60s-70s aesthetic type, but because I wanted as close to modern life as possible without cellphones or the internet. Pretty sure that's why there's a fixation on period pieces in the horror genre. A big ol' dusty book having the spooky lore is "better" than wikipedia on your iphone. But really it's because isolation is terrifying especially to generations that take constant connection for granted. You get some of the most effective psychological horror in modern audiences when your protagonist can't dial 911 on the highway. Also any modern killer worth their salt will know to target cellphones ASAP. Whether by stealing them or smashing them with a hammer, otherwise the killer has no common sense.

@jonskowitz

Жыл бұрын

Breaking down near remote, spooky cabins in the woods is always an option

@Agent719

Жыл бұрын

"Why aren't they picking up?!" Smash cut to the phone buzzing away between some couch cushions.

@rosemoe1495

Жыл бұрын

This would make such a good Halloween trope video!!

I love how introspective this episode has been. Also Red, kids of our generation are called the Zillennials.

@phictionofgrandeur2387

11 ай бұрын

Yup. I'm a 97 baby.

@carolinemcgovern4488

3 ай бұрын

I think I may be a Zillennial too (1999)

Lol, kids today will never know the satisfaction of texting under your desk while still looking at the teacher because you had tactile buttons and could easily memorize 8 buttons 😉

@phastinemoon

2 ай бұрын

If you watch Burn Notice (a spy thriller) you’ll notice that they ALWAYS use old flip phones in order to text, BECAUSE they needed to be able to send a text without looking at their screens and to be able to feel the buttons

@visnoga5054

26 күн бұрын

You brought me back x)

Did red just make a half hour long video about “those dang phones”? You never stop amazing me red. Edit: i made this comment as soon as the video came out, cause I was genuinely shocked a trope talk about phones could be so long. Now where I have watched it fully, this might be my favourite Trope talk, red has made this far. She really took something I never thought to question, and then threw my way of looking at the world and fiction for a loop. It was so much better then I expected, and that says A LOT, cause OSP always have super high quality, in my opinion. This just blew me back in a way I was not expecting at all, and I couldn’t be happier about it.

@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347

Жыл бұрын

Yes, she just did XDXD

@christ7271

Жыл бұрын

...and she got 14,000 views in less than 30 minutes

@gustykraken

Жыл бұрын

my god she's become my grandmother

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

I was at lunch when I noticed and had 20 minutes before I had to get back to work. I thought, "Oh, a new Trope Talk, I have time for that." I did not have time for that.

@MyPisceanNature

Жыл бұрын

@@daviddaugherty2816 Psh, there is ALWAYS time for that!

In 1999, the Pokémon anime had super-advanced video call technology that required what was basically a monitor fused with a phone booth. In 2023, we frequently keep video call technology in close proximity to our butts, and that will never cease to amaze me.

@gutsmasterson2488

Жыл бұрын

Generation five was when they realized that video call technology was achievable thanks to the C-Gear. Generation six introduced to the players search system. Generation seven was a cyber Plaza. Then Rotom started taking over UI features and now here we are.

@Xx_Oleander_xX

Жыл бұрын

@@gutsmasterson2488 I remember the X-transceiver being a selling point for pkmn BW! I own one of the official guides for the game and there are a few pages that are just "Look your ds has video call now! Isn't that nifty? You can even sharpie your friends face and put stickers everywhere!"

@gutsmasterson2488

Жыл бұрын

@@Xx_Oleander_xX I think by that point, I switched to Bulbapedia because it was cheaper than buying strategy guides.

@Xx_Oleander_xX

Жыл бұрын

@@gutsmasterson2488 thats fair. I had the guide because I didn't have a tablet or computer at the time and using google on an ipod kinda sucked

@nerdygamergeek4291

Жыл бұрын

@@gutsmasterson2488 It's also worth noting that before Generation V, the pokedex in each game was designed to look like the most recent nintendo handheld: gen 1-2 were game boy, gen 3 was gba, gen 4 was ds. The gen 5 pokedex was based on the ipod, which was still hot new technology in 2009 when Black and White were being made. Then in gen 6 it was a holographic smartphone, and since then the pokedex has been essentially just an app in your personal Rotomified smartphone or tablet.

I remember people saying not very long ago that modern communication technology had killed traditional romance plots because most of those only work if the lovers can't get in touch with each other. Now I've watched this I'm going to try and spot if romance writers have managed to work around this invisible roadblock.

@youtubeuniversity3638

10 ай бұрын

Maybe they could take inspiration from how love works nowadays.

@sabrinusglaucomys

4 ай бұрын

I don't feel like it's been a major impediment. People often *don't want to* talk to one another when they think the romance isn't working out. Sometimes in romance plots I've seen that involve a communication blockage (e.g. you delete your ex's number, they delete their social media and withdraw from your mutual friends, you have no way of contacting them once you realize you made the wrong decision) that seems very plausible at least for dramatic people. But there are also plenty of ways for a romance to have drama even without communication problems. I've been reading a lot of ace romance lately so of course one of the standard tropes is an allo partner taking a while to figure out whether they can be with an asexual.

Campaign 3 of critical role is a great example. (Spoilers for the entire campaign ahead btw) but Imogen has always had easy communication because of her telekinesis. Now, with the moon being all fucky, that has been cut off and she is separated from her friends, not only physically with the party split but also mentally. It's a really interesting conflict, Imogen is so used to being in constant contact, the separation is traumatic

@daviddaugherty2816

3 ай бұрын

You might be mixing up telekinesis with telepathy. Telekinesis is the ability to move things with your mind from a distance.

I'm 39. In high school (late 90s) our teachers kept telling us, "One day, very soon, every classroom will have computers in them!" We waited and waited, and finally computers were installed in our school... the year after we graduated (womp womp). In college (early to mid 2000s), my friends and I all assumed we would lose touch after graduation because that's just how life goes, and when this new thing called "MySpace" showed up, it was like a revelation. Suddenly we were able to easily message each other, share pictures, life updates, etc. despite being scattered across the country. Of course this would eventually give way to Facebook, texting, etc. I only bring this up because I find it fascinating to see how different age groups adopted and adapted to the Communcation Age we now live in.

@dj_koen1265

Жыл бұрын

It allows people to stay in touch more which can definitely be a good thing

@Bluecho4

Жыл бұрын

Technically, the teachers were right in ways they could never imagine. Every classroom does have computers in them now. One for every student, in every student's pocket, plus the teacher.

@SterbsMcGurbs

Жыл бұрын

I'm 29 and we only had like 2 80s computers in each classroom. We were told soon we would all get laptops. The year after graduation they got laptops (womp womp).

@tristfall1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm 37, and so the jump to cell phones happened for my groups right in college. I knew all my college friend's phone numbers, I knew all my high school friend's parent's home phone numbers. I can still just pick up my cell and call the kid that showed up to a club trip I ran randomly junior year of college. But if I were to try to get ahold of the girl I dated for a month my Junior year of High school, I'd barely know where to begin. Track her parent's down if they're still living at their old house, the white pages?

@IsaacSher

Жыл бұрын

I'm 48. My parents were very early adaptors of computers (TRS-80 Model 1 with cassette tape drive!) and I learned how to type on those using extremely primitive word processing software. I would routinely type up grade school book reports on my computer and print them off, and some of my teachers at the time freaked out about this and would forbid me from doing so on the justification that it was "cheating" for me to hand in a printed copy rather than a handwritten one.

I love how she acknologes that the bad guy having instant comunication was a thing WAAAAAY before theactual instant comunication

It hasn't been that long since I've listened to one of these, but it was apparently too long because when I heard "So, yeah," my mind instantly prepared for an "in conclusion" section.

Having watched the D&D Move yesterday, I gotta say this video was startlingly prescient about the use of Sending Stones as basically magic walkie-talkies. They even have feedback in the movie! Truly, Apollo gives the gift of prophecy in bizarre ways.

I did not expect to come here and see the majesty of Laura Bailey deconstructing Matt’s sanity 25 words at a time but I’m glad for it

@danieloceansmith3156

Жыл бұрын

The second I saw critical role my first thought of Laura’s messages was “…. You pooping?”

@Fragmentsinfractals488

Жыл бұрын

I am... catching the MADNESS!

@Stray7

Жыл бұрын

And of course, the current campaign of Critical Role has the widespread failure of Sending spells as a major plot point -- precisely *because* of how much Laura Baily relied on Sending once her character got high enough level to cast it.

@nightstar6179

Жыл бұрын

"HEY PLANK KING"

Wait, Red is not here?! Someone fix the fourth wall! I can’t handle this parasocial interaction being called out!😭

@Phantom86d

Жыл бұрын

We're Writers! The fourth wall is so fragile it never lasts! It's a paper door!

The bit at the end makes me think of Pratchett's Men of Clay. The solution to the mystery of how the Patrician was getting poisoned with arsenic turned out to be something no one looked at, despite consciously dealing with it every day: candles. You don't see it because it's what you see with. Pratchett had a lot of points to make about how what's normal changes over time.

This is an amazing history lesson and tropetalk in one. I miss flip-phones too. Pokemon adding a cell phone was HUGE in Gold/Silver, and now it's just expected to have a smartphone in Pokemon now. I'm still not over that, but I love how much the developers tried to keep the world connected and in-person, despite all the changes around them.

I just realised that I made up a whole dream dimension in order for my characters to communicate with one another. And I didn't even notice how weird it is that this feels more natural to me than them just not being able to talk to each other...

@devforfun5618

Жыл бұрын

tell me they can use avatars on this alternate dimension and other people can walk into their chat looking like kermit the frog

@peggedyourdad9560

Жыл бұрын

@@devforfun5618 So, VRChat then?

@cyrwynelius8221

Жыл бұрын

Alright, alright, you got me. I had the same vein of an idea for my story, a very necessary and vital idea that allows for developments otherwise impossible but damn. The idea of that not being connection not being there at all feels really strange cause the two characters would almost be in two completely different stories. Also really cool to find someone else who had this kind of idea for communication. (Not incredibly rare in fiction depending on the type of dream communication I suppose, but still.)

@TheMimiSard

Жыл бұрын

Not the most uncommon idea, but hey! I am reading a fanfic series that has something like that, but restricted to soulmates.

This all makes me think of Dr. Stone and how he purposefully made a communication device as their "secret weapon" due to instant communication being the most crucial aspect of winning a war. Like man, he GOT IT

@WickedKnightAlbel

Жыл бұрын

That isn't a deep concept to grasp nor is the author clever for pointing it out

@WhatIWantToListenTo

Жыл бұрын

@@WickedKnightAlbel does it have to be deep or clever to be a good application? No. Glad you shared your opinion that no one asked for.

@Desdemona-XI

Жыл бұрын

It is a very smart move, and highlights that the author has considered the video topic. But that makes sense, his entire plot is modern tech in the hands of primitive people. However it is definitely telling that telecommunications is a focal point because even in modern warfare soldiers dont maintain the same form of constant communication we see in spy movies and the like, mostly due to expenses and coverage concerns and due to needing to prevent the communication channels being cluttered with unnecessary communication

@carso1500

Жыл бұрын

@@Desdemona-XI even then mantaining comunication is esential, a big reason why ukraine was able to keep Rusia in check in this recent war was because they are able to keep comunications open thanks to starlink a completly new telecomunications technology that has proven to be extremly resistant to jamming were all other telecomunications providers were taken down in the first few days of the war Comunication is esential

It's funny hearing Red talking about friend group chats, and keeping in touch with friends from High School because for me I never wound up doing that. I never adopted smartphones when my friends did, I didn't get into group chatting, and I'm not super active on social media. This is despite my family being financially able to support me having such tech at the time. I simply chose not to adopt it. I'm living a bizarre life caught between the '90s and the 2020's, and it feels kinda normal to me. All of this is to say, it's _my_ normal to not be hyper-connected while understanding everyone else is. That's kinda what this video is all about in the end. I find that pretty dang interesting. So ... yeah.

Just a thing. The magic Mirrors were in season 1 of Catlevania. Dracula was speaking through one when he damned Walachia in episode 1. then he almost uses it to summon up his army.

@passingthorough7667

10 ай бұрын

Whenever they say something I know is objectively false about a story I'm familiar with, I get an uncomfortable feeling. How many times have they said something equally confident and equally wrong about a story most of us aren't familiar with? I don't know. I've stopped watching this channel as often because of how often I've noticed this.

@Amanda-C.

6 ай бұрын

​@@passingthorough7667Have a little more faith. Red's human. You're not supposed to be watching this to be factually informed about the details of the examples' plots and worldbuilding. A little mis-remembered detail doesn't weaken the whole experience. We're supposed to thoroughly explore the variations and ramifications of a trope and how it affects us as readers, writers, and human beings. Do you not feel affected? If it's facts, though... Season 1 had exactly 4 episodes, remember? And Alucard interrupted his father with the mirror. For all we knew, it might have been a portal to Hell. Season 1 had the mirror, yes, but Season 2 added the magic phone ability. Red's statement wasn't wrong, just simplified. Simplification is understandable for this format. Maybe try the Detailed Diatribes. Less likely to hit on a show you know and love, but, if you do love whatever Red and Blue choose to talk about, it's a real treat.

Never underestimate the power of communication. In Dr. Stone, which already has a theme of examining the things we created and marveling at how incredibly useful they are (its core opinion being that SCIENCE IS FUCKING AWESOME), Senku's immediate reaction to being informed that the antagonist plans to descend on his village with an army and wipe it out is to proclaim that he will fight back by creating the most powerful weapon in history: cellphones. A) He is completely serious; B) he manages to build phones with stuff barely out of the stone age; and C) they are absolutely crucial in the following conflict. Notably, said antagonist (who is also from our time and pretty smart) discovers one of the phones by accident and FREAKS OUT because he understands the power it represents and that he is now at a disadvantage despite holding almost all the cards.

@RasmusVJS

Жыл бұрын

Ah, yes! Can't wait for the anime to release the next season!

@spritemon98

Жыл бұрын

The stone wars was my favorite arc

@spritemon98

Жыл бұрын

@@RasmusVJS new world is already airing!!!

@RasmusVJS

Жыл бұрын

@@spritemon98 What!

@spritemon98

Жыл бұрын

@@RasmusVJS YES

If I'm to understand: O.S.P's Red was in the middle of writing a story and had a writer's existential crisis realizing how hard she made it to write classic plot points by giving the characters an extremely effective magic communication network... And now this video explaining how normalcy can put an unintentional blind spot in a work exists. I am thankful for every minute I'm subscribed to this channel 😭

One of my favorite things about fictional video calling in general, is it they always assume that both parties are framed nicely, well-lit, and there's nothing embarrassing going on in the background.

I am reminded of an interview with the creator of Ghost in the Shell who said he had imagined wireless communication and electrical signals sent through finger tips and such however ended up simplifying to key boards and cords out the necks and tech like that because even when writing science fiction or fantasy or anything else like this you need to make it relatable to the audience. So even if you can imagine a drastically changed society and technology, the audience might be lost in the world building and not be able to engage with the story it's self.

What's funny is that I'm a teacher for students who come from...basically backwater villages in Central America to the US, so I always have had an interesting perspective with this. To put it broadly. My own little backwater village in Nicaragua had an Internet cafe. Most of my students have had experience with technology and picked it up faster than reading. Like reading period. It's crazy how intrinsically adaptable people are and how that surfaces

@GuiSmith

Жыл бұрын

Nowadays, we have quality testing and accessibility features everywhere to help with that. Maybe a little too well sometimes, but generally it’s really effective.

@JeantheSecond

Жыл бұрын

Well, children and the youth. It’s hit and miss with older adults. My mom and aunt were very resistant to change, while my dad I were far more adaptable.

Honestly, I think Dune's complete rejection of "thinking machines" does give some leeway in terms of ignoring the likely technological advancements such a large span of time would imply

@Anverse-14

Жыл бұрын

Feeling as it'll be an era that'll be quickly changed once the era has become too chaotic to sustain its old technological norms.

@kingsadvisor18

Жыл бұрын

I can see that perfectly. Technician: invents what is essentially a 1993 cell phone His supervisor: has a Vietnam flashback about that one time humanity was almost wiped out because of rudimentary AI and proceeds to smash it to bits

@jakman2179

Жыл бұрын

Given modern tech coming out recently, I take the additional reason as to why they use in person communication over telecommunications is because one could fake a message via some kind of Deep-fake tech. Not as dangerous when you have Mentants instead of Computers, but still a possible reason to add to the pile.

@jsteckle4897

Жыл бұрын

Was coming to say this but you said it perfectly

@Blizzic

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

"The world is more connected than it's ever been," but people are still lonely or disconnected from other. The modern human condition!

JLU had earpiece communicators like Leverage. They had tracking built in so a plot point in a few episodes was having someone's communicator taken or someone dramatically throwing it away because they didn't want to communicate with the team.

I remember reading about Michael Collins, he said of being the loneliest man in the universe that it was nice after having spent so long with 2 other people in a confined space. Introverts of the world understand, the loneliest man ever was just happy to have some god damn peace and quiet

@MrTmac9k

Жыл бұрын

He was also hella busy with observations and riding herd single-handed on a spacecraft designed to be operated by three. But yeah, you definitely get the sense that he enjoyed the quiet when you read his memoir. He wasn't lonely, he was satisfied.

@caseykafka5009

Жыл бұрын

the irish nationalist?

@MrTmac9k

Жыл бұрын

@@caseykafka5009 No, the astronaut.

@firstnamelastname5449

Жыл бұрын

@@caseykafka5009 Apollo 11 astronaut that stayed on the command module while Neil Armstrong and buzz aldrin were on the moon

@enider

Жыл бұрын

@@caseykafka5009 I was real confused into I understood it was another Michael Collins

I didn't ask for an existential crisis first thing in the morning, but Red addressing the weirdness that is parasocial interactions is something I do come here for so I think the universe is having its Callout Fridays.

When I clicked on this video I wasn’t expecting this much commentary on global development/real life events but it was surprisingly enjoyable and really informative.

It’s funny you brought up columbo, because what immediately came to mind for me was detective Conan, reading/watching it you see the actual development of technology that’s often incorporated into the mystery/ tension. It’s especially weird since it’s like locked in time but also incorporates the changes of the world around it, it started with characters frequently using pay phones and now nearly every character has a smartphone and it’s weird when someone even has an older flip phone.

@foldabotZ

5 ай бұрын

It's basically what Superhero comics, especially Marvel, do to keep their characters still relatively young and contemporary: a Sliding Timescale or Floating Timeline. Essentially, the nominal "Present day" the characters live is whenever that present day is the real world or whenever you're reading a particular story. As the decades passed, the present day in the Marvel Universe is pulled forward, to stay contemporary. So, if you were reading the Fantastic Four's debut back in 1961, it was 1961 in-universe. If you're reading it now in 2023, then it's 2023 in-universe also despite how everything looks explicitly 1960s. In current stories, the FF's debut was "15 years ago" from the present day, whenever the present day is. Which is why sometimes, when a superhero's origin is retold, it is updated to fit a relative past. Example, Iron Man: the basic story remains the same, what changes is the conflict that it occurred in.

"The Invisibility of Normalcy" sounds like a whole-ass college course for film media majors and I would be SO DOWN for more!

@Companion92

8 ай бұрын

That was a important part of my ethnology classes in university

An absolute testament to Red's writing skill is the fact that she can make an audience listen to Sneaky Snitch for over half an hour just by talking about fictional mobile phones.

This is really fascinating! Thank you so much! While writing one of my sci-fi stories, I keep running until a wall of wanting them to have better communications tech but me going "that's just not possible given technology constraints and hundreds lightyears of to cover." Even then, I felt the need to break the lightspeed barrier (though not quite to ansible level) to facilitate interstellar communication. I ended up having to think of older communications technologies like letters sent by messengers on horseback to accurately conceptualize the time delay in communication in this world.

The literal same thing happened to me when I was conceptualizing my comic. I straight up wanted smart phones removed but couldn't justify it given the other tech i had in my scifi-ish setting and it broken my brain.

@foldabotZ

Ай бұрын

So how'd it go?

@ChaddyFantome

Ай бұрын

@foldabotZ Still wrapping my head around it. My brain keeps imagining cord phones whenever I think of scenarios, that's how bad it gets.

Probably my favorite example of this in fiction has to be the den den mushi or “transponder snails” from One Piece. They’re literally just snails. Telepathic snails that are capable of perfectly mimicking human speech that people use to communicate with each other. God I love One Piece.

@emiliocorvalan3322

Жыл бұрын

What I love most about it is that it's actually a network of snail-based technology. some are phones with different communication ranges other speakers others are used to wiretap other cameras others to counter the wiretap and others to basically activate nuclear bombs

@jimihendrix23456

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention live-streaming video! But the best part is when they mimic the appearance/expressions of the people on the other side.

@sabertoothkim

Жыл бұрын

Didn't those start out as basically landline telephones, and then the author introduced handheld versions partway through the story? ...Dang it, now I need to try and figure out when he introduced those and how far along cellphone tech was then.

@alexsere3061

Жыл бұрын

@@sabertoothkim that is such a great example of what red talks about because one piece is so old you literally see the changes over time

@anna-flora999

Жыл бұрын

​@@emiliocorvalan3322 to be fair, the nuke triggering ones are basically just very specific telephone ones that just say "this is the island I'm on, fuck it up"

21:23 "Who wants to hear me loudly eat this pudding" had me uncontrollably cackling like Vincent Price in Thriller for several minutes.

Y'know, the first time I watched your channel I was about 6 or 7 and sitting in my grandparents living room with my older sisters watching Miscellaneous Myths: Perseus. You have been such a large part of my life for a long time. Keep up the good work.

This was FASCINATING and gave me some impressive insight into how I could incorporate some of the points here into my own stories. One thing I hadn't considered before and want to add is (from my pov less common) villains using the ease of communication to hijack it and convince protagonists or side characters that "oh yeah this person isn't in trouble it's fine", or the more common plot device of communication being use to inform the protagonist that the villain is doing something dangerous as all (ex: kidnapper calling through victim's phone to get what they want)

Felt the need to point out that Artoo didn’t just carry the message Leia made for Obi-Wan, he also carried the Death Star schematics revealing the fatal design flaw. We see Leia physically insert the disc into Artoo’s chassis, and he physically carries it through the Death Star itself and into the rebel base.

@jeffeppenbach

Жыл бұрын

And they used the Coms on the Deathstar to, you know, talk to one another.

@johannpotgieter9029

Жыл бұрын

Plus C3PO used a comlink to communicate with Han on the Death Star, and Luke had a comlink with him on Hoth. Also the Emperor's holo-call with Vader in ESB.

@headcanon6408

Жыл бұрын

And in Rogue One they sent a signal containing the plans to Leia's ship, but then in A New Hope (which takes place right after but was made 39 years earlier) they never send the signal to another location, and instead they have to physically transport the disk that, according to Rogue One, wasn't even the original. I mean it does make sense because the ending of Rogue One combined with the beginning of A New Hope shows how hectic it was as they were under attack and were barely able to keep one disk with the plans out of the Empire's hands, but in hindsight it definitely seems like there were easier ways for them to do it

@kingbeauregard

Жыл бұрын

And arguably the point was to smuggle the plans out so that nobody would know they'd left the ship. And they had to go to someone who was living as a hermit.

@bevanurielpetersen6255

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, its interesting how messaging and information transfer became retroactively added to the universe of SW so naturally that the big plot for a New Hope became reinforced perfectly. We know from the prequel Trilogy that information and data can be transfered over large distances so it begged the question why didn't Leia just send the plans to the Rebels. But through New Media such as Andor and Books, it became clear that any long range messaging was being processed through the Empire, any messages sent would result in the Empire knowing of any subversive information that is being transferred between groups and people. Now we know that they could not have sent the Death Star plans to Rebel sites without it being tracked or just outright blocked. When you're the Rebels trying to take down the Highest Power, Communication becomes so much harder just to make sure that the Empire doesn't catch on figure out your movement. So them physically having to transfer the plans actually fits perfectly into the Star Wars universe without breaking suspension of belief. So for those people who keep on saying why didn't they just email the plans, you can do that if you also want the Empire on your front door like the FBI shouting 'Open Up!', before bringing an end to the Rebel operations.

During the time of 3rd Edition AD&D, there was a thing called "The Tippyverse". The idea of the Tippyverse was to create a setting where *Magic* created a Star Trek-like post-scarcity society. Most of it revolved around overutilization of the "Magical Trap" mechanic. In 3rd Edition, the rules were codified on how Magical Traps were created, so Players could have their characters create them. Just like other magic items, it took time, money and XP to make a magical trap. It also took knowledge of the spell you wanted to put in the trap. Then someone realized that, if you could put "Fireball" in a trap that would automatically reset... you could create a small, metal box that would explode with a fireball every time your fireproof minion opened it. And if said minion was small enough, or invisible enough, they could sneak into an enemy army or city and just keep setting off fireballs until they got bored and your enemy got dead. Then someone realized that... if you could put "Fireball" in a trap that would automatically reset... you could create boxes that would cast the spell "Create Food & Water" every time you opened them, and nobody would ever go hungry. Or you could create a little box that would cast "Sending" every time you opened the lid and you would have Star Trek Communicators. Hallucinatory Terrain "Traps" would enable creative people to make little "movies" for people to watch on demand. The Polymorph Any Object spell can literally turn mice into giant cows (since giant cows exist, thanks to giants existing) *permanently* if you don't like the "Create Food & Water" trap option. With a sufficient number of high-level Wizards & Clerics (like, half a dozen maybe?), a country in a 3rd Edition AD&D setting can have a ridiculously high standard of living.

@kindredspirit9703

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome! I'd love to see what kind of conflicts would happen in a world with such bounty.

@noukan42

Жыл бұрын

I to this day claim that the Tippyverse is my favourite D&D setting.

@SimonClarkstone

Жыл бұрын

Engineers abusing D&D mechanics is entertaining.

@MurderousEagle

Жыл бұрын

It should be noted that most of the time the Tippyverse is a mageocratic dystopia.

@WarlordM

Жыл бұрын

Eberron

“March of progress?” At this point it’s more of a full on sprint.

The Star Wars example can be explained be the Empire's control over the holonet (the interstellar phone/internet/everything network). The rebels needed a completely secure method to get the DS plans off the Tantive IV before the Devastator (the ISD chasing them) could reclaim the data. That method had to be undetectable by the ISD, which was actively tracking things that came from the ship, presumably including transmissions. The officer telling Vader that none had been made proves they were concerned about that and thus probably scanning for it. If telecomm is out, as too detectable, you fall back on the courier method, which the rebels did.

As someone who is extremely nervous about giving out their contact information and is stressed out by social media, I'm not sure I've ever gotten used to instantly being in contact with anyone but my family. I'm also sh*t at answering emails and texts so that probably contributes too.

@devforfun5618

Жыл бұрын

lets be friends and then never talk because we dont know if the other person is busy and we dont want to be annoying ?

@MultiNaruto900

Жыл бұрын

​@@devforfun5618 No need to throw a nuke in a classroom 💀

@lazarus8018

Жыл бұрын

​@@devforfun5618 This speaks to me.

@thejohnhopkinscompany9599

Жыл бұрын

@@devforfun5618 It's more that I forget to message someone for so long that I just assume they've stopped liking me in all that time.

@SirSomeguy

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god! Someone else finally understands me!

the opening lowkey kinda freaked me out I never really actually thought about how watching videos works and it freaked me out for some reason lol

In you're wrap-up, your power-point mentions "The Invisibility of Normalcy" as you were saying how deep a rabbit hole that is. Your whole vid was on telecommunication, but it reminded me of my own world's healthcare system. My world is medium-high-fantasy/high-magic, and there is a network of secular "temples o' healing"™ which are the world's socialized hospitals.