Riden them both and I can easily say the Triumph was a much better experience. It just felt more direct and mechanical where the Indian felt almost numb in a sense but both were a blast to ride either way.

@laynetravis

Жыл бұрын

Pity cause i prefer the Indian.. anyway for now i will enjoy my freewind Suzuki xf))

I love my 2022 scrambler 1200xe. The exhaust isn’t hot at all and it’s actually nice to have in colder climates (like Canada). The tech is actually kind of annoying and I wish they would’ve kept analogue gauges like on the regular bonneville. 90hp is more than enough. It’s an awesome bike especially if you’re an ADV rider that doesn’t want a derpy bike

Have a 19 Scrambler 1200xc and absolutely love it. Super unique bike that can do a bit of dirt and the suspension soaks up crap roads really well. I did swap a zard exhaust on it (still the high mount one), which completely fixed the heat issue on the exhaust and the bike sounds amazing. I'd love a FTR so I don't think you can really go wrong with either, just pick which you like more.

@SlimRhyno

2 ай бұрын

Just curious, how are you liking it a year later? More, less? Any response would be appreciated. Until then, keep the rubber side down.

Love the Scrambler and about to get my second one. The tech is great but I would still prefer dials as part of the retro look. At 6ft 5 this is a perfect bike for me and no real issues with the exhaust heat.

I had a FTR Rally- seat height definitely wasn't 815mm- mine was 855mm. Unless they changed the geometry although I'm not aware they did on the Rally. Was a great, fun, raw, raucous bike- especially with a link pipe and Remus can.

Love my Scrambler, just puts a smile on your face every time 🇳🇿

They really strike me as two different beasts. I dig the Triumph personally. Even if I was just using it to go get coffee. The sound of that motor is my cup of tea.

@SanjitNagi

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment 💯

Two of the coolest bikes on the market- great vid!

@motobob

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers bud! Hope you're well :)

I chose the FTR Rally I just love the feel of it.

I traded my triumph xe in for a Ftr carbon last month. I was on the list 2019 for the Ftr and got tired of waiting so I bought the ex and really liked it but hated the seat height so I had test rode the Ftr in 2023 and rode better then I remembered. Just waiting for a chance to put on some miles and hoping I made the right choice. Both bikes look awesome the Ftr seems to get more looks. I’m just enjoying my midlife crisis LOL

I bought a triumph street twin and fox shocks and in 2021 bought a 2019 ftr1200 s. I love them both for different reasons. But, the little triumph is my forever street bike. The ftr is now with my youngest son.

Great Vid Rob and one I was very interested in. When I was at Motorcycle Live the only bike I said I'd be tempted to swap my McQueen with (in a similar price bracket) was the FTR Carbon as it was a really beautiful machine. But I'm sticking with the scram for now.👍🏼👍🏼

@motobob

2 жыл бұрын

The carbon does indeed look incredible! Hope to take one for a spin some time 👍

I like both bikes. I have several Indians and a couple Triumphs…. But if I wanted a Scrambler I would go with Triumph. Way easier to get crash protection and parts for it. I like my Indians, but I wouldn’t take them off-road.

Both Bike are really beautiful but I love my Triumph Scrambler 1200 XC. The Exhaust heat isn't a problem with a decat in the older versions. The new version are improvet cause of the heat issue. Triumph all the way the sound is just the best out there :-)

I love my 1200XE. I have only 8k miles on the clock but it runs and looks great.

Tried the Triumph. Could not past the high exhaust and having a white hot cat converter near my thigh. I’d have to fit an aftermarket system and move it.

@blakethornsbrough1528

2 жыл бұрын

I rode one in the heat of summer through downtown traffic and on highways to get a true test. The heat was there for sure but not terrible and the bike is a blast to ride. I just couldn't have it as my oly bike which is the budget I have needs to be a do it all.

Two lovely bikes there! The FTR is definitely one to have if you want exclusivity as well as all that power. However, for me the Triumph wins, mainly because I've loved the look of those 1200 Scramblers since they were released. I'd definitely go for the XC in green though! Good vid - thanks!

Without watching to the end I’m gonna guess you choose the Triumph MotoBob !! If I’m wrong, it’s a bad hunch but you’re a bit of a “Triumph Boy” lol x Huge thanks for your content from Sydney, Australia 👍🦘🇦🇺

@Dave-sw2dm

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't make a choice.

What were those bar end mirrors on the XE? They look great! Love my XE, the OG scrambler !

I'd love to see you cover the moto morini scrambler. I've barely seen any people covering the brand

Hi what is that navigation probe u use with every bike?

it's got to be Triumph Scrambler 1200

I chose the Triumph Scrambler 1200 McQueen Edition. Proud owner of #967 :)

Motobob, I tried clicking on a link in this video to the XC XE comparison -- It seems youtube is placing links at the bottom of the screen -- this works well on mobile devices but doesn't on desktops and laptops. When one moves the mouse to click the link, the browser pops the video controls on top of the link. Are you able to control where the links are placed? Thanks!!!

Scrambler all day long, but I'm terribly bias, I own an XC ;)

I personally prefer the FTR in the S trim. I think the ftr works way better as a street focused bike with the 17’s and sticky rubber

@thierryfaquet7405

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The FTR is a street bike, making those "fake offroad" scrambler is a little cringy to me.

@martyn_g

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly why’d I take the Trumpy. It can go off road;) also the Scrambler just echoes classic Triumphs perfectly

@markellott5620

Жыл бұрын

Yup. The decision to put 17" wheels and decent rubber makes it an ideal street bike and that's where it really shines.

Scrambler XE vs Africa Twin or KTM 890 R ?

I've an FTR Rally and really like it. If I was being picky the things I dislike are, a little jerky from cold, poor range and the rear cylinder fries your nuts in traffic. Apart from that I love it. The "hooligan" label really does depend on where you're coming from, its lively but no super naked

so you did not state your preference?

the Triumph is lovely but the FTR is probably the best looking bike you can buy.

@threepot

2 жыл бұрын

Really?

@markellott5620

Жыл бұрын

@@threepot Yup. Although the New V100 Guzzi gives it a run for its money.

@markellott5620

Жыл бұрын

Ryan over at FortNine covered the science on this one.

bmw had a great scrambler. It was a the G 650 XCountry. Didn't sell for many years because it was ahead of it's time. Had they launched it 5 years ago, It would have had a lot of success. Loved that bike

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

a bit like the original F800 series as well. Now middleweight twins are the hottest thing going but at the time everyone wondered what they didn't just do a 600 like everyone else.

@timday6087

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I have one and it’s a great bike.

i really like them both. after several reviews of the triumph, i have heard the exhaust pipe placement puts a lot of extra heat on your inner thigh. i live in SE US, so many months are hot down here. do not need a bunch more heat from the bike so this is a big issue for me.

@Desmo904

2 жыл бұрын

Decat the header pipe and it would be a LOT cooler. (also sound nice and perform better)

@IanTheEarlobe

2 жыл бұрын

Not the 2022. Mine is actually nice because Canada is cold for so many months of the year. It’s still 1-10c where I live and I love having my leg heated

@Desmo904

2 жыл бұрын

@@IanTheEarlobeYeah, the new bikes have the pipes welded don't they? An anti tamper measure I read.

@jimmyjoe1871

11 ай бұрын

Central Florida here. I want this bike bad. Will not buy it because of the leg heat. I’m riding a wing now so there’s no heat anywhere so I’m spoiled lol

for some strange reason we are not allowed to look at the left side ??

Triumph for sure

I fell in love with the FTR before it was in mass production and Indian only used it as an actual flat tracker. Then one day I had the opportunity to ride one, I was FULLY prepared to trade in my Z900RS (my baby) for the bike that I've always loved.. But.. I hated it hahaha. Maybe its me but I did not like the way the bike felt. Flaunting all the power and "suspension" and I still wasn't impressed by any means. It just felt so funky and not in a good way. The power was really bizarre and I just felt so detached from the bike. Never rode the XE but everyone I've ever met that has rode one is in love with it where as (normal riders like me and not massive corporately funded youtubers/motovloggers) all the people I've met that's rode the FTR just doesn't care about it. They had the same exact experience as I. Fell in love with the beauty and the power then actually rode it and felt nothing special. If you want a "RAW, technologically unrefined" motorcycle, buy a bike from the 80s for $1,500 (as I did).

@markellott5620

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love mine. Sharp handling combined with a smooth powerful delivery. Unexpectedly, it's a decent pillion bike as well. That did surprise me. This will be a long term bike for me.

I’m bias, but the XE performs better off-road and I have no complaints about grinding pegs in the twisties or sliding out the rear end off road. More suspension, and geared lower down low. The lines of the FTR are gorgeous, lower fuel tank helps with easy balance and more sporty on road, but the XE crushes.

Both of these bikes are just plain beautiful, and look like what a motorcycle should be. I wouldn't take either for serious off road riding and prefer the simplicity of the Indian.

One Triumph Scrambler, please. I just like the look much more.

I'd probably go for the FTR purely because I own a T120 already. In isolation the Triumph seems a lot better though.

Which one would I have? Ask me again on friday when I'll be picking up my new Xe!

I'm here for this 🇦🇺🇦🇺

Just one little point. The new Triumph company is not the same as the old Triumph company. John Bloor only bought the name- not the company and he was supposed to have changed the logo which he did but only slightly ( very cheeky). I own a Triumph Rocket 3 but I don't consider it an original Triumph, different bikes, different company altogether.

I want the FTR Carbon edition.....

Having owned a "Scrambler" style bike. Duel purpose bikes end up doing both purposes poorly.

I personally prefer the posters as that’s all I can afford 😂

Nice

Wow besides the bikes, the watches are amazing!!

Hi moto bob, I would have the triumph scramberler I like the looks and not the Indian

Triumph all the way.

I had the Triumph Steve Mc Queen. Beautiful, iconic but impractical bike. Too hot at low speeds, uncomfortable at high speeds due to lack of protection. Off road it is fun but the weight and cost of the bike make you desist from mistreating it. Not my cup of tea. Sold after 3 months.

@bashsharif8272

2 жыл бұрын

I sold my 1200 after 6 months. Apparently, it's us and not the bike. Go figure. Indian any day.

@man87907

2 жыл бұрын

You were expecting that a naked bike would have wind protection??

@andrea737

2 жыл бұрын

@@man87907 Of course not, but I thought I liked other features that I didn't find instead. It's a nice bike, but if you notice the market, almost everyone sells it after a year. Also the keyless key is a nuisance, it immediately gave me electronic traction problems, water leaks, hard gear shifting. I had problems with the spokes of the rims and the right rear suspension was leaking oil due to the heat of the exhaust - all this in just 3 months! It didn't impress me at all

@bobberdude557

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrea737 I’ve had my Steve McQueen Scrambler for almost a year now and have been off road with it many times and 1700 mile road trip. Absolutely none of the issues you mentioned. Added a dart fly screen to take some of the wind off my chest at higher speeds and replaced the mirrors with TEC bar ends. Maybe you got a lemon, but somehow I doubt it. 🤔

@andrea737

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobberdude557 I may have been unlucky, but in 3 months I have done 3,000 kilometers and enough off-road. The bike is beautiful but the flaws are real, just read the various forums, it wasn't just me who got them.

The hell with tec on a bike it just gets in the way

I got the '22 FTR Rally. Haven't had any regrets.

@chtomlin

2 жыл бұрын

range?

@vmonk1474

2 жыл бұрын

@@chtomlin No, I haven't been to the range in a while.

I'll agree with Daryl 🤣

All this talk on the comments about the Triumph's exhaust is pinpoint but come on the Indian is anyway the better bike by a mile ...No discussion. The exhaust is a minor thing to the Triumphs many issues. FTR all the way.

Can't believe they put tube tires on the Indian FTR at that price point.

I bought an FTRs for my 58th Birthday and that Triump is like a Harley (little spots in the mirrors). I have a friend who has a Triump America and he will only ride with me if I ride my DRZ400 (for sone reasob he gets mad being a little spot in the mirrors of my FTR so if you want to be a WIMP LIKE WAYNE go for the Triump.

I don't see how you can compare these bikes without talking about their massively different ranges. The Indian has horrific fuel economy and coupled with its smaller tank can only get a range of about 130 miles. The Triumph has nearly double the range.

haven't ridden either, and probably won't ever. I ride my pedal bike and my Breakout. My 3rd bike won't be one of these. It will be a sport tourer.

Love both of them, but the FTR sits to high for a old guy like me. :)

@markellott5620

Жыл бұрын

The new S and Carbon versions with 17" wheels have an 800mm seat height, so more manageable for shorter riders. I can flat foot mine with 32" legs.

The slow-filling FTR tank is more irritating than it sounds. I pulled up at a pump once at the same time as a bloke with a Mercedes Sprinter van, and he filled his tank faster, ha!

@paulbarnes6124

Жыл бұрын

Read a review about that exact point but nobody seems to mention it . Especially small tank that many manufacturers also produce. Cheers 🍻

@Alexmaystudio

Жыл бұрын

@@paulbarnes6124 plus once I had just under a quarter of a tank left (motorway with no hard shoulder) and it conked out as if it had run out of fuel. I don’t know why. I waited for a hair raising minute or two at the side of the road and sloshed it about, then carried on.

It’s about time Indian kills it with a new ADV bike. Rumor has it they have something in the works....

I'd take the Scrambler for sure.😎 (I may be biased by my ownership of a 2020 T120😗). About the FTR, I must say I'd be more interested if it were branded as a Polaris!😘 Oh, and styled a bit less like a Harley. I've been into motorcycles since a very young age in the late '50s. The Indian branding has always been a serious negative to me. Indian produced primitive Neanderthal bikes in their original hard-tail flathead form; they were banckrupted in the early '50s for good reason. Then there were the numerous atempted revivals of the '60s and '70s. First by failing British manufactures and later by a string of lack-luster Far-East junk purveyors. There may be devoted fans from an older generation, but to anyone under 74 the Indian nameplate evokes images of various failed bikes from England, Indonesia, Taiwan and Japan. Canada has done better; how about, for example, the excellant verticle twins Bombarier/Rotax has designed for BMWs F series? A Polaris badged bike styled more like a KTM would greatly improve the FTR.

@josiah1583

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on a lot of that but I don't understand how the Indian FTR is styled like a Harley. Their cruisers certainly are but not the FTR. I also think KTM makes the ugliest motorcycles on the market but that is all just personal preference, hard to evaluate looks.

@steveh7108

11 ай бұрын

​@@josiah1583I don't agree with him on anything because just about everything he said was nonsense.

@josiah1583

11 ай бұрын

@@steveh7108 I mean it is factually correct that Indian went bankrupt in the 50s and the numerous attempts to restart it were flops. But yeah I am confused why you would want to make an FTR look like a KTM and what Harley the FTR is copied from.

Triumphs rear suspension is flawed. Lots of complaints by owners. Should have used a mono-shock.

almost 2k for a clock!!!!!! I feel bad if I expend $20 in one :S

Royal enfield scram 411

Nobrainer. FTR1200. And that says nothing about the Triumph (nice bike to), coarse it goes for any "hooligan" motorbike around this class.

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Umm, which one? The answer is "YES!!!" 😅

I’ll pick the American bike.

Both winners to me.....

Neither of them. Buy a BMW RNineT Urban G/S. 220 kg wet and it's held very low. Good video, though.

I can attest to the poor offroad chops of the FTR. Fine on a dirt road, wouldn't do anything more extreme and feel good about it.

@Alexmaystudio

Жыл бұрын

I put Michelin Anakee Wild tyres on mine and took it properly off-road in a wet, twisty, woodland enduro course. It performed better than I expected but it was overheating like mad!

@josiah1583

Жыл бұрын

@@Alexmaystudio Yeah, it certainly can be done and a braver rider then me can do much better, lol. The weight, wheels, suspension travel, and lack of skid plate make it less then ideal though.

The triumph... Period.. 😝🤣🤷🤣🤣🤣

The Triumph, wins, in my opinion.

AAAhhhhhhhhhh! My inner hooligan just resurfaced ! We hardly see Indians here is Aus...

Hey you didn’t make a choice at the end. Go on tell us what you’d buy! For me I’d have to go the triumph.

The FTR is far better looking than the Scrambler.

That Indian is about the sexiest bike I’ve ever seen. Still, I think the triumph wins.

Neither!

The Triumph looks way better.

What pity, the same music as in all the rest of your videos... :(

I’d take the Indian because I will take raucous and rowdy over anything.

Triumph is trading more and more heavily on nostalgia to sell bikes I think. I love the look of the Indian front to back, the Triumph on the other has the weakest looking rear end style wise, even worse without the longer exhausts to break it up. These bikes are all about looks and the Indian walks all over the Triumph.

Biden the Triumph, fantastic bit of kit for the job. It wins by a country mile on looks alone. The fit and finish is streets ahead.

indian😉

Neither! Both are WAY too expensive.

I’ve ridden both. The XE is far superior in every way. No contest.

I understand your need to make money, but I pay for KZread premium to get rid of crappy ads... That watch you are flogging is an awful thing... Stick to beeline and stuff thats relevant... This watch crowd are just jumping on the Breitling bandwagon...

@ianblair5032

2 жыл бұрын

I too pay for premium subscription. So any future advertising in videos will get an instant unsubscribe from said channel!!! Seems fair.

@thornscoop2

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto its very annoying, if you paid for netflix you wouldn't expect adverts as well...

@user-rf9me7xm1w

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was an April Fools joke, how can a watch have a con rod and a clutch plate in it ?

@colingoldthorpe5918

2 жыл бұрын

Just slide the bar along until it’s over 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ the guy makes a living off this platform, with so many people doing the same it’s got to be tough to make a living!!!!

@thespeedofchillax

Жыл бұрын

i dont mind the need to hawk some ish to make a living, but they should really just put it at the end of the video, not first thing so it interrupts what everyone is here to watch....if the company won't work with you if you put the sales pitch at the end, the they arent worth working with anyways, so yeah, just put the monkey dance at the end and it'll be all good.

Jeez, waaaay too much ad

Too bad the Triumph does have the Indian's power. The lower power of the Triumph is a deal breaker for me no matter what it is compared to.

Triumph scrambler models have WEAK FRAMES THAT CRACK! Triumph will have you wait up to 12 months to repair your bike.. and thats if it is even covered by warranty. Good luck if the frame cracks and your out of warranty.

Y'all be looking at your watches when you're riding? 👀

I am ok without all of the electronic crap. It means you actually need to know how to ride.

Bikes excellent watches crap