When are we going to tell him that induced demand will nullify any efficiency gains? Tech bros will not solve traffic, we need walkable cities and viable alternatives to cars.

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, such as bicycles and good public transport.

@rajnadar6555

3 жыл бұрын

In the US, suburbia is basically car dependent...so walking is not a possibility...at least not for a while...me thinks electric bikes will make some people ditch cars for short rides...though the adoption will prob take a decade or so.

@dalethomasdewitt

3 жыл бұрын

@@rajnadar6555 carry that weight.

@dalethomasdewitt

3 жыл бұрын

Cars trucks have proven their worth. Improve is the solution. Bicycles are targets. Public transportation is not an improvement on the individual's need to carry and be carried. Cheap and cheaper is the only logic.

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

@@dalethomasdewitt bikes are not targets, if uou build seperated cycle paths. And come to the Netherlands and try to drive around in our cities. You won't get fast, bikes are fast in our cities.

No wonder a video "made possible by Ford" will say that the problem of traffic is solved by increasing road capacity, which leads to more cars on the road. Of course they wont say that too many cars is the cause of the problem.

@dalethomasdewitt

3 жыл бұрын

Get some birth control, or rethink the law of supply and demand.

@spritemon98

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of India

@andr_w

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that the millions of pounds of CO2 analysis probably didn't account for latent (or induced) demand from decreases in delay. Nor does it compare to an increase in bus ridership....

@johnmaaate2833

3 жыл бұрын

And Ford (among other companies) is responsible for too many cars in the first place. They're the reason the US is covered by a web of highways, and not a web of passenger railways. They're the reason why you cannot walk or cycle anywhere. They're the reason why the only easy way to get around is by car.

@spritemon98

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnmaaate2833 back then they had electric cars and fords wife enjoyed them alot more

"Just add more lanes bro, just increase capacity bro."

@dalethomasdewitt

3 жыл бұрын

If the environmental idiots don't steal the land with incessant solar wind farming. Be serious and develop gen 4 smr fission if electric motors are the future over energy dense gasoline. (notwithstanding syn fuels with surplus nuclear heat / from CO2-H2O)

@ali.e7860

3 жыл бұрын

@@dalethomasdewitt isn't possible, if the fossil fuel industry keeps lobbying against any developments into the future

@PhiTonics

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the American way, just add more lanes. Sadly the problem of traffic was solved before the car came to be, it's called public transport.

@DrJams

3 жыл бұрын

@@PhiTonics public transport takes ages and doesn't go where you want it to go... that is if it even has a bus or train running.

@PhiTonics

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrJams a myopic and non argument, hardly worth my time replying to. Maybe you should educated your self on a topic before you blindly reveal your ineptitude on said topic. Not interested in educating you on the matter, that said there's plenty of information on the topic to get educated for yourself.

“And the question is: what’s the best way to do it?” A train. A train would be the best way to do it.

@blanco7726

2 жыл бұрын

The only effect I see from trains on cars is making them wait

@alexwilliamns

2 жыл бұрын

👏 It’s almost like we figured this out a long time ago.

I'd say the problem is cars, not the traffic light. Americans who think "just one more lane will fix it" or "just add more lanes in a tunnel below the city" will probably not think outside the box. In Germany we already have similar traffic lights, and they did not fix the problem but just increased capacity by a bit. They might not be that sophisticated, but some intersections are connected, they prioritize public transport and adjust switching times to the traffic. Still the same problems, just occurring later.

@jameshancock2489

3 жыл бұрын

If we could get autonomous cars to talk to each other we could have Closer following distances and all accelerate /decelerate at the same time, but it seems that may not happen and then there's random activity of human drivers in that mix. The autonomous intersection also had potential which required each car to take a designated routing time. Better driver Ed would make a difference (at least here) but getting everyone on the same page is always fraught with difficulty.

@miroslawmoczyrog

3 жыл бұрын

Since 2013 has a smart, fully synchronized traffic light system. I believe it did not help much.

@MartinLichtblau

3 жыл бұрын

@@jameshancock2489 Synchronizing cars with signal and later even inter-car communication. That's would be a great achievement for all.

@joetilman7227

3 жыл бұрын

Treating the symptom instead of the problem. The problem is all the cars being driven on short urban trips that would be better walked, biked, or bussed. Fixing the problem requires reducing the number of 2-ton motorized boxes carrying 200 pound flesh and bone payloads.

@forcesightknight

3 жыл бұрын

You don't seem to realize, in America, our politicians are not actually trying to solve problems. They need to milk every dollar out of a program before really doing anything, then they find more way to get us tax payers to foot the bill.

This video was created in partnership with Ford. In Sout-Germany we say this has a "gschmäckle" bitter taste to it.

@Philipp_f

3 жыл бұрын

Der Schwabe

@openlink9958

3 жыл бұрын

why?

@thefrub

3 жыл бұрын

Every video out of this channel is an advertisement, they just did an advertisement for Richard Branson

@HavokBWR

2 жыл бұрын

Good old Germany. The country actively trying to shut down one of the largest electric vehicle manufacturers in the world over "environmental concerns" while their largest car manufacturers lie and cheat on the emission tests...

@changein3d

2 жыл бұрын

​@@HavokBWR The german youth generally has a problem with ALL car manufactures. Cars are bad for cities. That is a fact. That is why we want reclaim our cities to the people and take the space from cars which cause noise pollution, a huge demand of space, decentralisation, inhumane urban scale and of course millions of deaths per year. You can't fix these issues by electrifying or by innovating.

So its not "no traffic", this will actually create more traffic over time via induced demand.

@KRYMauL

2 жыл бұрын

This is one version of increasing throughput which is the main way you increase the speed of a fluid i.e. traffic.

@tjs200

2 жыл бұрын

induced demand is not infinite, there is a practical limit to how much people will use the road.

@KRYMauL

2 жыл бұрын

@@tjs200 Sure, but why would one want that much traffic?

@tjs200

2 жыл бұрын

@@KRYMauL Im not sure I understand your question, are you asking whats the point of increasing the capacity of the road network and allowing more trips to take place? I guess there are 2 main reasons: personally being able to do more of the things that you want to do, and the added economic benefit of that much more activity taking place.

@KRYMauL

2 жыл бұрын

@@tjs200 The question is rhetorical one usually doesn't want more traffic instead one would want traffic to be spread out between multiple types of transportation. In computer science I learned that the best way to increase speed was actually to increase throughput. The speed of light with resistance is finite; however, by making a wire thicker it's possible to increase throughput. In the case of traffic it's best to use multiple lines of transportation to increase throughput because anyone type will slow to a crawl if not taken seriously.

I was waiting for an actual demo, where you could see the algorithm or traffics lights in action, so we could see what it does differently... but it was just an ad :(

@freethink

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry you were disappointed, and thanks for your feedback. We generally explore technologies at a pretty high level since we cover a wide variety of subjects and want to make them accessible to a broad audience. But we have heard this feedback in general a few times and are looking into releasing some more technical deep dives alongside our content in the future.

@CubbyTech

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! I was thinking the same thing. Off to search if there's another video that shows some examples in action. Most importantly, I want to see the system detect a car that isn't stopping for a red light and *holding* the rest of the traffic!

@getvenki83

3 жыл бұрын

Please test this in great silk board junction of Bangalore.

@aniksamiurrahman6365

3 жыл бұрын

@@getvenki83 Heh! The AI will just kill itself. That's not an insult to Bengaluru. It's a real place with real problems due to real reasons. It's a statement about what good these "shiny new tech" are.

@patrickcarpenter6258

3 жыл бұрын

Like usual. Thats this channel.

Imagine having a roundabout instead of traffic lights, no AI needed for regulation and it's really low maintenance. Now I get it they can't be implemented everywhere, but IMO should be used where possible.

@Bertuzz84

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, roundabouts are really great compared to traditional intersections.

@rajnadar6555

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bertuzz84 roundabouts don't work well in the US...most people don't understand or care about how to behave in the roundabout.

@BlueBirdTS

3 жыл бұрын

@@rajnadar6555 With that logic, you could never change or improve anything.

@rajnadar6555

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueBirdTS Welcome to the USA!

@dalethomasdewitt

3 жыл бұрын

No way. Get on a merry go round and then vomit.

Freethink, I love you guys, but recently you have just been producing advertisements (specifically for Ford), and this was not very clearly stated that this was an ad. Please have more original content or explicitly state with a #Ad, as this channel has a lot of potential to gain huge traction

@andr_w

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. This feels very much like an advertisement.

Really looking forward to Well There's Your Problem, or Adam Something, to put out an episode in about a week that absolutely savages this. Was really looking forward to "No Traffic" being an initiative to eliminate cars from cities entirely, but I guess that's a stretch too far.

NEED to get the majority of vehicles OFF the roads to solve all the issues vehicle traffic is causing. This idea in the video is just a small band-aid, NOT a major solution.

@emcotec1463

3 жыл бұрын

thank you, finally one intelligent comment. I hate it when people talk about selfdriving cars or intelligent-trafficlights as if there will be the solution too all the traffic jam and pollution. Think only one second about induced demand, its a proven concept, so if the traffic gets faster that animates people to use cares more often. So instead of having 20,000 cars passing across your street normally you will have 60,000 because its now gotten more "efficient". So the city is getting from a city of people too a city of cars.

@DeltaFish11

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a tech guy. Love tech but these people are stupid for thinking tech will solve all issues. Trains and walkable cities will cause less traffic and less car crashes

@emcotec1463

3 жыл бұрын

@@DeltaFish11 yeah it goes so much deeper if we think about walkeable citys and more public transport. Less co2 with higher passenger capacity, healthier people since there is lower co2 polution in the citys and walkeable citys promote an active society which is better for the overall physical condition and so on. We cant even comprehend what third party problems come with this car centered way of life.

@astesvideos

3 жыл бұрын

Guys, there's a reason why Ford sponsors this video. Tech is political and it will only serve the problems the owners are willing to solve... in this case, make cars more attractive to buy lol

@dalethomasdewitt

3 жыл бұрын

OK. As long as your talking please eliminate the road concept. The pathway concept. The need to carry heavy things direct from A to B. You're not even serious about solving the package thought. Just eliminate the problem by throwing the baby out with the bath water?

This is pretty primitive compared to what most major cities have. This is a product demo, no innovation here.

@LeZylox

3 жыл бұрын

They're just throwing around words like AI to sound funky

@sucidragos4148

3 жыл бұрын

Show me your innovations and what have YOU done in order to help resolve this problem instead of critiquing like a little….

@LeZylox

3 жыл бұрын

@@sucidragos4148 having good public transport and using roundabouts, thats it ...

@spritemon98

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeZylox pretty much yeah

@HavokBWR

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeZylox umm, no. They are throwing around words like AI because that's what you need to use if you're going to have large scale traffic control thats actively adapting in real time to traffic conditions...

You arent fighting the important issue here. All you can hope to do with this is somewhat increase car capacity. You should be going in the opposite direction. "How do I encourage people to not drive their car everywhere". The less cars you have running around in a city, the less emissions are produced, leff traffic. It's not that hard a concept.

This sounds like a solution for a symptom instead of a root cause. I don’t know how much the system costs, but I thought this problem has been solved. It’s called a roundabout, once built it works without power all day everyday, minimal waiting time, yes it costs space and an initial build time and inconvenience investment, but this is just a short term solution for cities that aren’t willing to invest in their infrastructure for the long term. Also the root cause of traffic would be to decrease the necessity to drive to work

Yeah 1 hacker and half a day, and the entire roadway system of the United States is at their command... didn't you watch the new "Die Hard" movie?

@danurkresnamurti3598

3 жыл бұрын

yes. thankyou. i remmeber it

@freethink

3 жыл бұрын

Security is definitely always a concern. At the same time, there are many areas of sensitive infrastructure that are digitally connected - power lines, planes, water - and this system is already in place in some cities without having been hacked. So while security should never be taken lightly or for granted, that doesn't necessarily mean that we need to abstain from technological advancements in order to avoid threats.

@Iamwolf134

3 жыл бұрын

It's concerning for certain, but we have people watching over us to ensure that such shenanigans are interdicted before any real harm can be done, by all but the most tenacious of state-sponsored bad actors no less. Such bad actors are very few and far between, however. This methodology of adopting ever more sophisticated security solutions is what allows us to more easily identify the footprints the perp has left behind, and catch them if possible.

@jbi1839

3 жыл бұрын

That’s because there’s no block chain technology in the movie.

@aniksamiurrahman6365

3 жыл бұрын

No one can hack a system like that. That's just a movie. A larger concern is that - NOTRAFFIC will just turn out to be another shiny thing that doesn't solve any real problem but violate freedom and privacy and increase price.

As long as it takes into consideration pedestrians waiting to cross...

I think a real solution here would be to focus on public transport and bike infrastructure to lower traffic congestion. Building more lanes or in this case reducing wait time at traffic lights just induces demand.

Implementing a good train system will offset a lot of people off the roads, while saving gas consumption and other resources too. America's auto consumption is way too high, and it's also very behind on the implementation of a solid public train system. Also adding more remote work at home jobs too.

This is meh at best, in Europe there are smart intersections for at minimum 10 years already.

@roadrage9191

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, also you cannot correct bad city and road design with some optimization for traffic lights lol.

this is only solving the big issue that are literal highways in cities due to the car centric american urban planning. reduce the size of roads, separate them from residential streets, make public transport free and alternative individual transports like bikes cheap to buy and maintain

@spritemon98

3 жыл бұрын

Busses were literally free before they started charging again

Why don't u guys just build a train, or a brt with bus lanes?

In some cities there are count downs on the traffic lights. So, waiting at a red light you see 30,29,28,27 - being the number of seconds 'til the change to green. People are more ready to set off, not daydreaming, not knowing when the change will come, and are less inclined to rev. their engines in frustration. To me, it seemed to work well.

Does Notraffic collect license plate information or any potential identifying information with their AI system? What type of security policies do they have to protect their system?

@aniksamiurrahman6365

3 жыл бұрын

I bet they would.

In South Africa robotic traffic lights with sensors has been in operation for decades. Mostly these sensors are weight sensors running under the road. The problem is that people don't stop behind the line at the intersection where they are suppose to stop, so the system doesn't pick you up. This looks like a much better solution.

@Froggability

3 жыл бұрын

*metal detectors not weight

@MartinMenge

3 жыл бұрын

@@Froggability I think it's a combination of induction loop and pressure sensor, because just plain induction loops should still work if the vehicle is anywhere over the strip. But from my tests, only when stopping with my wheels right on-top of the seam (coil track) do I get exactly the same result for a specific intersection.

@changein3d

2 жыл бұрын

In the Netherlands, most of the bigger traffic lights also have sensors, but multiple for every lane (one further in the back to determine if there are more than 3 cars for example). That solves the problem of a traffic light not picking you up. Also the cycle lanes have sensors too, and they work amazingly. I don't know how they to it, probably with pressure sensitivity

The solution: get rid of cars.

@hadrian270

3 жыл бұрын

That's my kind of solution.

@jbi1839

3 жыл бұрын

I can teach you how to fly. Come into my dream.

@aniksamiurrahman6365

3 жыл бұрын

@@jbi1839 But unlike your dream, a lot of nations actually mitigated the traffic problem quite successfully by reducing the number of cars.

Doesn't improving traffic delays just lead to more traffic?

@russiannorth2440

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. interesting. I shot a video of a car city in the north of Russia. Look - you will like it)

The first upgrade to traffic lights to make WatchDogs a real thing.

What the hell are they talking about? ATMS is already a thing since a decade.

This is crap. You need to reduce car use, and then yes, use smart traffic lights. But this is not a break thru, in the Netherlands they are already using it, and they use it to prioritize buses, pedestrians and bicycles. Car centric infrastructure is a cancer to cities.

The best solution to traffic is to switch most transportation away from cars. No matter how much AI you throw at cars, roads with cars transport less people than buses. And subways and trains are even better if you can stomach the extra cost

@miroslawmoczyrog

3 жыл бұрын

A small change in our focus, from thinking about cities as a place to drive and store cars to a place for people to live, work and have fun in, is needed

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

I add bicycles to the mix: cheap and affordable, can be used by people between 8 and 80 years old, 10 kilometer/ 6 mile range for ordinairy people. And bike infrastructure is the cheapest to build.

Or well....you know.....make all cities car-free, expand mass transit, build protective cycleways, and build high speed rail.

I can't believe that this company is the first to do this.

If commute times were included as paid employee time, half the cars will be gone due to flexible work from home policies.

@alexwilliamns

2 жыл бұрын

I like this policy idea! People would also move closer work, lobby for more walkable cities, and big box stores might shrink to be more local!

This technology already exists. Some municipalities simply don’t have the budget to waste when a “dumb” traffic light does 80% of the job for 30% of the cost.

my great grandfather's brother invented helped invent the traffic light, happy to finally see an improvement.

Highways exist and they never have any traffic jams because there are no intersections. Right...? The solution to traffic is public transportation and walkability. Instead America creates suburbs where the only option is to drive, because there are no shops in a walkable distance. ~ I'm European, but don't kill me for that

@Coastie_808

3 жыл бұрын

You don't have any traffic on your Highways? You must either live in a non-densely populated area or Heaven

@dk-gl

3 жыл бұрын

@@Coastie_808 I hope you noticed it's sarcasm (the first part)

@PeterBuvik

3 жыл бұрын

@@Coastie_808 Technically highways doesn't have intersections they have off ramps and multi level interchanges

@Coastie_808

3 жыл бұрын

@@PeterBuvik I live in Hawaii where people cross the street even if there are no crosswalks. 1 mile on a highway can take up to 30 minutes (35 MPH speed limit). Hawaii’s highways are slightly different from the conventional highway

Another bright idea that should be everywhere but will probably go no where sadly. Really hope they're able to get it into every intersection! Great product.

Carmel Indiana just removed nearly all lights and stop signs in favor of roundabouts.

The trains and train stations in the US are NOT bicycle friendly. There aren't many places to park my bike on the train, and it draws ire from other passengers. They make me WALK my bike though the station, forcing me to take MORE SPACE in a crowded place. It cost MORE to take the trains anywhere: more MONEY and more TIME.

The *real* solution to traffic is just public transport.

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

And bicycles. In the Netherlands 26 % of all trips are made by bicycle. Great for trips up to 6 miles/ 10 km.

in the city i used to live in (hyderabad), to solve traffic problems, the police shut down some junctions and make people use u-turns instead but its wasted when they install pelican signals in their place

Some more turning circles (roundabouts) would be useful. They are must more efficient that intersections.

The most inefficient timing of lights must be where I live! Anyone else feel the same way?

Makes so much sense. Our cars are super smart now but what manages their movement is not even close.

the netherlands has systems like that for over 15 years

@orbitingancient

2 жыл бұрын

no, they have one similar testbed in a single city, didnt even expand upon it because it costed so much lol

@burgerpommes2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@orbitingancient no they don't use cameras but loops at and before the intersection on roads and bikepaths and their traffic lights communicate with each other to be able to calculate the perfect combination of green lights

@burgerpommes2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@orbitingancient2 examples kzread.info/dash/bejne/nnd7q7J-gZbWhrQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5phlKudpJuyqMo.html

@burgerpommes2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@orbitingancient This explains it kzread.info/dash/bejne/naKWuLmRqq-aXZc.html

@orbitingancient

2 жыл бұрын

​@@burgerpommes2001 Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying they use camera, I am well aware of what they use. My local city also has these, they aren't too uncommon. (and I live in Michigan, USA)

You know what a simpler solution is? Start using public transport.

@kronk358

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Much simpler. Simply take away everyones in vehicle privacy, reduce their freedom of movement, increase their commute times, make it harder to carry less groceries and shopping of any kind, make it impossible for families to sit together in a crowd of strangers, design and pay for public transport systems that people dont want with money they dont have, and convince everyone that its a good idea. Much simpler than reprogramming the lights that are already in place and in use.

Many regions around the world have an interconnected adaptive traffic signal systems that is not "A.I." based but have similar effects. Glad to see the advanced data analysis driving a new level of real-time remote / autonomous decision-making but it's not like most traffic signals are the old electromechanical type even.

traffic light controllers already react to outside interference such as cars pulling up to the intersection this video is making a small thing into such a big problem with its biased data and information

A far morse simple solution: make modern turnarounds. That's it. You don't need intersections

@furrytrash8399

3 жыл бұрын

The complex solution that actually solves the core issue with traffic in American cities is to stop building more road infrastructure and invest in non-car transit. Cars are inherently inefficient at moving large numbers of people, and trying to cram more and more of them into cities just isn't sustainable.

This is exactly what I think. Only when all cars are computer monitored and can communicate with each other. No uncertainty = No waiting = No road rage.

@vichomangiola

3 жыл бұрын

Mannaging more efficiently what we already have only adds capacity to roads, and more capacity = more cars. The problem of traffic is cars. As someone once said, adding capacity to solve the problem of traffic is like loosen up people´s belts to solve the problem of obesity.

I was in Raleigh behind a traffic light for 5 minutes 2am in the morning, with not a single car in sight! It just doesn't make sense in the 21st Century!

Why not roundabouts and subways? It has been demonstrated that: 1. Four lane roads with roundabouts carry more traffic than six lane roads with traffic lights. 2. A subway carries as much traffic in one direction as 20 lanes of freeway. A subway with express and local tracks will need 10 eight lane freeways to match its carrying capacity.

To fix traffic it's to make driving unnecessary.

Im inpressed with how much sense the commentsection is making

I can’t wait. I’ve had this smart signal idea for years. Of course I can’t do anything about it, but I hope this happens quick. I hate waiting at signals while NO other cars are going the a different direction. So traffic hour gets priority to the flow of traffic rather than the same old stops for everyone.

@changein3d

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, this system will not work at scale, because of the maintenance and the insecurity of the system. But automated traffic lights are used in other countries for decades and work flawless, even without cameras and A.I.

If all the traffic Lights🚦are network connected, they can be hacked centrally too. Cyber security of these network is going to be very important.

@g00rb4u

3 жыл бұрын

Road authorities in Aus use an interconnected system called SCAT www.scats.nsw.gov.au/ hacker induced chaos has not eventuated ... yet

I had to check if this was made in the 90s.

So a company called NoTraffic is designing a system which will induce more traffic. Quite an ironic name.

@kronk358

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what you mean by traffic. If you mean that it will increase the number of cars that travel through each intersection in a given amount of time, then if will increase traffic - which would be a good thing - and it would be an ironic name. If by traffic you mean traffic jams, then you are wrong.

@mina86

3 жыл бұрын

@@kronk358, it won't affect traffic jams. It'll increase capacity a tiny bit which will increase traffic by similar amount and in the end there'll be the same amount of traffic jams. Small increases in roads capacity are not a solution to traffic jams. Mass transit is.

I'm amazed at the comments that downplay the use of cars. That's not viable in the mid-west. Come out to the "flyover" sometime and visit. Bring your bike. You'll love it. To Freethink, thanks for your work. I hope it takes off and keeps us moving faster and more efficiently.

If everyone could agree on a service provider where you put your destination in every time you drive to go somewhere you can have an automated system that would organize all the traffic beautifully every single time. Everything would run like a dream

Sort of a waste when we need freedom of movement choice beyond cars

Literally a non-solution to the problem. Induced demand is a thing. And as long as more and more car ownership is prioritised, travel will be more and more expensive. You can move way more people with public transport than with cars. And it's way more efficient. Maybe this could help when the majority of traffic is public transport. But until then this will just add to the problem.

Netherlands has had this technology and has been implementing it for years

Cant wait to see Voolvern on this channel in the near future.

So cool!

Now imagine Hackers. Now imagine living in a place where you didn't need a car because everything was close enough to bike or walk. Imagine a area that had mixed residential and shops. just imagine

Cloud management for traffic lights. What could possibly go wrong?

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

Hackers, just like the Colonial Pipeline hacking.

Great idea! I hate being forced to wait at a dumb red light!

When everything taken over by computers that's the perfect timing for a terminator ai to enter the scene.

That's pretty interesting. As a new era for driving autonomous cars and traffic control comes, also a a new era to end our privacy.

Do you wanna know how to also solve that problem? A huge fleet of buses and subways Actually cheaper Actually greener Actually proven to work

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

And bicycles. The Netherlands has proven that in the last 45 years. 0 emissions, exersize, very cheap and affortable.

@kronk358

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Building underground tunnels through already existing cities (with plumbing and sewage and foundations and basements) and buying entire "huge" fleets of busses and subways is obviously cheaper than a single computer and program. We got ourselves a top shelf intellect here.

*The best way to fix traffic issue* *is to improve and expand public transportation as well as bicycle infrastructure.*

We have had this for years in the Netherlands

@TacoDelivery

3 жыл бұрын

well its different from what they show here - i dont think we use cloud-based services, we just use pressure sensors and a small computer in a closed loop (i think)

Just introduce roundabouts and be done with it. If you need to control/stop the traffic just put lights and cameras for each entrance of the roundabout. There, I gave you the idea, now do it already.

Wow. I assumed this was how traffic lights worked already... 😬

here's a great solution i'm not sure if you've heard of it. It's Called a train. Think of the possibilities you put a bunch of people on one vehicle and then they don't have to wait at traffic lights they just hop on the train then when you reach your destination you get off.

@ibnumubarokeib

3 жыл бұрын

woww... its cool one.. !!!

Really ironic for a channel called “freethink” to ignore the most obvious and oldest answer to traffic to instead vouch for cars in a video funded by ford

This is not the real solution to traffic, Highway traffic is not caused by traffic lights, only city traffic is, hence we need to get people off of cars and into more efficient modes of transport; Houston added lanes to the Katy freeway to reduce traffic, but made it worse, I bet this traffic lights will encourage more people to drive to places they wouldn’t have before, causing more traffic.

Ah yes, a truly groundbreaking traffic control system, a one that every modern already city has. Right, you just slapped AI on it. Also doesn't solve induced demand or the capacity problem. GTFO.

@BlueBirdTS

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, induced demand nullifies most of these efficiency gains during times of high congestion. The real solution is better public transit and cities that are more walkable and bikeable.

A proven theory states car traffic will increase until it's as slow as the next best option. Downs-Thomson paradox, aka more or better roads do not improve road gridlock it usually makes it worse. As you improve car infrastructure, other transport infrastructure gets neglected due to car road infrastructure being the most expensive and land intensive, and car gridlock increases until it matches the speed of alternative options.

@kronk358

3 жыл бұрын

It wouldnt make it worse. At worst would make it the same, but whilst allowing a much greater number of cars through. Which is still a great improvement.

@timwatterson8060

3 жыл бұрын

​@@kronk358 No, it induces more demand till it's as slow as the next best option, that BTW keeps getting worse as more money is spent on road upgrades for cars not improving the next best options (aka "removing" cars from the road). It also making it worse because more cars means more parking spots. This tech is nothing new just the latest layer, all traffic control systems have sensors and subroutines to optimise traffic (not just cars). Most Americanised road networks don't use them or use them to prioritise cars (not busses or other public transport that is more efficient at moving commuters). This makes walking, bicycling and public transport worse (as cars are prioritised) and forces car use making all competing options worse.

I would like to throw another fat in the ring, given that so many folks here have mentioned that this would increase induced demand for driving: A. The video itself mentioned that it is possible to optimise this for any number of transportation options, from allowing light rail trains through to emergency vehicles to even pedestrians; there's no reason why this couldn't be applied to minimise this effect. B. This reminded me of a NotJustBikes' video on the Netherlands' traffic lights, which are often optimised in a similar manner: where you optimise for increasing traffic flow of _people_ over cars.

what about a roundabout ?

I bet the information collected by those cameras will be sold to third parties and thats how the start up will make its money

I think traffic lights should be smart enough to where if someone is running a red light and it will cause an accident, it should not turn green for the other directions.

I feel like this channel deserves more attention😳

why you should run red lights like stop signs

What about security and residencies? Can they be hacked? What would happen in case of an outage? What is their up time? CAD is just safer right now.

@kronk358

3 жыл бұрын

Stop lights dont work at all anyway during outings. Lights can already be hacked.

I have a much simpler solution: put roundabouts everywhere.

I have a solution without even watching the video. Less cars, more public transit, and encourage autocyle development.

AI is required here but connecting it to a global network is questionable as anything interconnected is vulnerable to hacking. Also why not 360deg cameras?

In the netherlands, this tecnology is more or less implemented already

Just prioritizing the car is not really an solution to traffic. The increase of car-flow increases the noise-pollution too. And with an higher average speed accidents are more dangerous for every road user.

Perhaps in addition to this one day, is to reroute cars automatically away from already congested routes.

More efficiency - more cars - more emissions.

Ya theres a light down the street that has that intelligent gear, its soooo Good!!!!

Should work great as long as all the cars follow the lights and it never goes offline and no sensor ever gets obstructed or mis-aligned.

@kronk358

3 жыл бұрын

None of what you mentioned isnt already true. And therefore it makes a terrible argument against improving the efficiency of stop light timing.

what about some public transsit?

surprise surprise Ford ain't trying to push any redesigning streets to provide for modes of active transport

how about a roundabout !! it has no software or light to fail

@mardiffv.8775

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, no traffic lights that be hacked.