What do you think of this approach?

@misterlight5115

4 жыл бұрын

while it sounds nice and everything looking at their test building I'm more curious how safe you'd be living in that house. I don't mean like it will collapse, but if someone decided to break in to the house. There is not very many walls and there is a lot of glass.

@xvbd6067

4 жыл бұрын

How affordable really? Will it last 50 years? Or last through a storm? How large is its footprint,? These things cost things

@factitiously

4 жыл бұрын

@@misterlight5115 umm...all houses have glass. 🤔

@factitiously

4 жыл бұрын

This isn't really a new approach. modular homes have been available for a long time. And are generally 30% cheaper than site-built homes. What's new is that, in the last few years, more people are offering flat-pack modular and also environmentally minded people have gotten into the modular home business and are trying to add in more high-end design to the sector. But modular homes have always been sustainable even before Eco businesses got involved. I have long thought that this is the way of the future though. It's only disappointing that the company's website does not provide any pricing. I had to email them to see what the prices are and I'm not even sure they're going to give them to me. I'm not sure I believe they're really going to be affordable. But if they were, I would buy one.

@bellsTheorem1138

4 жыл бұрын

How adaptable is this to an urban environment.

I want to see video of real people actually unloading the shipping container and setting up the house.

@__-pl3jg

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that isnt possible because none of this actually exists. Their website doesnt list any prefab kits available for purchase. Looks like this is simply another paid advertisement for something that MIGHT happen in the future.

@amandawilcox9638

3 жыл бұрын

Grant Robertson,📐 🔨Amen to THAT!

@mikeaskme3530

3 жыл бұрын

@Grant Robertson so do i, maybe they will do it.

@Darkwell0071

2 жыл бұрын

exactly grant, also maybe suggest other methods like insulated concrete walls

@ronmaren4135

2 жыл бұрын

@@__-pl3jg if you type node homes it comes out on top of the list.

This is the second video I've watched from this channel and it's the second time where it's just a decently filmed interview where we don't actually learn ANYTHING about how it's built or anything pertaining to it.

@vipahman

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. There is no content here other than an ad for NODE.

@mowgli6345

3 жыл бұрын

That's because they're selling a product, not community building.

@saufai74

2 жыл бұрын

@@vipahman but not a good ad. I want more info!!!

@djchino774

2 жыл бұрын

I learned about immigration tho 🤣

@MCFishNuggets

2 жыл бұрын

They seem to just present ideas rather than get into the topic, just to get people thinking about it

400 sq foot for $150,000 plus land and permits. These people are crazy. And they have the balls to call it affordable

@FindPlace

3 жыл бұрын

Where did 400 sqft come from and 150k pretty sure the models on there site listed more than that in sqft and everybody needs to get paid

@lucasatilano8008

3 жыл бұрын

Timothy Oliver research online for the price

@amandawilcox9638

3 жыл бұрын

@Stacey Pack Oh, please!

@regularguy8771

3 жыл бұрын

They clearly don't live in the real world.

@majician782

3 жыл бұрын

How much for all of this combined?

Good design: 80% outdoor hallway. As a Canadian, this is hilarious.

@ellynmerydith2590

4 жыл бұрын

As a Californian, it’s life.

@withgoddess7164

4 жыл бұрын

@@ellynmerydith2590 I'm in Canada . We would all be freezing in the winter

@GreyZonex

3 жыл бұрын

This house wpuld be destroyed after 5 canadian winters.. looks good, but cheap. Just like your affordable Ikea kitchen

@blueshoes915

3 жыл бұрын

As a Minnesotan, this is hilarious.

@sconan01

3 жыл бұрын

No footings, etc. 1 good storm and this house falls apart.

How much is the standard model? What features come with a standard model? More questions than answers in this video.

@StormcrowPictures205

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. This!

@acebalistic1358

4 жыл бұрын

Vrzlam Costs for NODE's homes vary up to $150,000 for 500 square feet. A more affordable option is their roughly 260-square-foot home, equipped with a kitchen and bathroom, coming in at $90,000 This is copied from the article the video is based on

@acebalistic1358

4 жыл бұрын

Playing-Rags I assume they are trying to make it cheaper, but currently they can’t afford to.

@acebalistic1358

4 жыл бұрын

Playing-Rags so they need investors to make it cheaper. Because they currently I assume don’t have the necessary funds to enter mass production, which would reduce the price.

@keepingitreal9469

4 жыл бұрын

@Playing-Rags Right

People could order thru Sears and Roebuck home kits in early 1900's with hundreds of designs to choose from. Some of these lovely homes are still around today.

@eve36368

4 жыл бұрын

omg, yes! my grandma underwrote at Sears's mortgage division.

@CFAweiss

4 жыл бұрын

I’m sure they were more appealing too. I enjoy the charm and details of Victorian and Tutor homes but anything built now seems boxie or too much waisted space for way too much price.

@prime8nate

3 жыл бұрын

@MENTAL "built by white people too"...."These days houses are quickly built by immigrants" Is your home built by nazis and klansmen?

@amandawilcox9638

3 жыл бұрын

@MENTAL When people buy Cracker jack box houses or hire the cheapest builders and subs, they get what they pay for.

@washablejunk281

3 жыл бұрын

The college I work at has 5 of them.

Not only you didnt explain why this house is carbon negative,you didnt say what is the price too...

@AtlasReburdened

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's a lie that they try to make up for in that comment where they say that it produces more energy than it consumes, which in and of itself, is kind of a pointless assertion which could mean that at "idle"(only cooling itself and with no one inside using anything), 51% of the energy used is derived from solar.

@AtlasReburdened

4 жыл бұрын

@inter peter You're right. I must have written that very late at night. Even my sentence structure there is quite haphazard and seemingly strung together. I suppose the point that I so adeptly failed to hit is that they could be giving that specification for an idle condition which isn't realistic to actual use, ie. 101% percent of the energy used while maintaining basic human conditions whilst no humans are present and in sun conditions that are favorable to power generation and unfavorable to heating of the internal spaces.

@johnmonroney8614

4 жыл бұрын

1.21 gigawatts !!!

@charlesthomas9960

4 жыл бұрын

Atlas WalkedAway Energy can be stored and/ put back into an electrical cooperative.

@rob4433

3 жыл бұрын

@@AtlasReburdened nice to see a sensible reply from someone when challenged on KZread.. I was expecting a paragraph or two of expletives.. You sir win the Internet today

I still want to know how these houses are assembled and what how exactly someone would go about getting this kind of house shipped and set up.

@kmicanakreku3905

4 жыл бұрын

Using massive amounts of fossil fuel energy. You cant ship anything heavier than 1 kilo with battery power.

@de-CO2

4 жыл бұрын

@@kmicanakreku3905 You could throw this on a train and save a little CO2 but valid point

Very BAD example of an urban low energy sustainable house. * extreme poor insulation * not optimized for passive heating (burning hydrocarbons shown!) * high maintenance flat roof (especially in a forest) * bad siting for solar panels * high envelope to floor plan ratio gives bad economics and insulation * large site area shown * expensive materials and design choices especially glass and flat roof flashing * Junctions, flashing and weather tightness major disadvantage of modular design means less building life, utility and resale value * tip - hire an architect specializing in sustainable design Wayne Russell B.Arch

@amandawilcox9638

3 жыл бұрын

Wayne Russell I grew up on the Oregon coast. My old are-you-kidding! list: Flat roofs, ceiling heat and stucco siding.

@privacyhelp

3 жыл бұрын

This is just for show, no one wanna buying house like this

@B61Mod12

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for smashing this BS wide open!

@mranthony1886

3 жыл бұрын

Also butt ugly - has the whole custom shipping container vibe.

@GhostZodick

3 жыл бұрын

@@amandawilcox9638 would you elaborate more? What do they mean?

Ikea furniture is extremely easy and satisfying to assemble, I guess some people are just completely helpless at following basic instructions. That being said, I love the idea of house kits as long as they are at least as resilient as regular houses.

There is definitely room for improvement but I like what they're doing and where it could be headed. I think a lot of people are going to question the durability first and foremost. I'd certainly live in one for a year or two but any longer and I'd need to see the data.

I really like that they’re focused on keeping the cost and labor low. I feel like every time I see house like this they’re so expensive and just unattainable for regular people

What about storms and storage didn’t really go over that but still very interesting idea.

@chrisdooley6468

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I wish they went into more specifics

@ofc_b4nk138

4 жыл бұрын

True, but they also mentioned it’s a prototype

@meowsayo80

4 жыл бұрын

they look like they’re in the pnw tho so i’m sure it’s a factor

@laurac86

4 жыл бұрын

meowsayo - Yeah they are in the PNW, it says near Seattle in the beginning

@GarlicNoji

4 жыл бұрын

We haven't learned a thing, but we still play along. I fear the worst is yet to come.

Well shot, not enough information.. Based on what we are shown, this home seems designed for places with no crime, no harsh weather, no dangerous wildlife and no extreme temperatures.. In other words.. Unless you set up this house inside another house.. It seems to function very poorly as a home

"Immigrants build houses, we need them. That's why we've invented something that entirely gets rid of the need for immigrant jobs."

@Mrvalle420

3 жыл бұрын

Right we make ikea homes for people who can’t build homes only to bitch about immigration policy hypocrites

@Mrvalle420

3 жыл бұрын

@UC_nvBM6AP9EDFRb0jHH6jBA yes sorry I didn’t explain myself very well if you build a product that is to be assembled by people who have never built anything before you eliminate the very jobs that they are complaining aren’t being filled and yes you are correct I work in the auto collision industry and the illegals who work along side of me get the same wage as I do although I don’t have a problem with this it is hard to hear some protest about the laws and then turn around and try to eliminate the position

It would have been nice if they showed us around inside.

"Why are we building houses the same way we did 100 years ago?" Same reason we are teaching our kids the same way we did 100 years ago. Everything America does is antiquated. All our major infrastructure was made 50+ years ago and is falling apart. Cost of homes in my area has doubled in the last year. Can't even afford to live here anymore. Would love a house like in the video. Maybe if we didn't send all our jobs overseas. I guess bring in the Chinese to build our houses? Sigh.

I inadvertently had minus-carbonned in my building of a log home in which I raised my children off-grid. Now, as I retro-fit my "little old lady cottage" wherein just last week I Hefted bags of clothing material (that were in dumpsters over the years) to the attic as insulation. Think out of the box is truly free thinking (even if it comes in a box initially)! Your buiding concept IS the new modern that 50 years from now will still be so. There will have to be an architectural genre for your soon-to-be industry standard, something akin to "MidCenturyModern 2nd episode"! Kudos to your concept and application of practicality and possibility, for the people!

This was basically a commercial. I didn't gain any significant others information.

'Immigrants build houses'. Umm that's a strange way to frame it.

@jadamzink

4 жыл бұрын

"And they aren't around anymore". Umm yes they are.

@theloftbird9659

3 жыл бұрын

Mexicans are the labor force and there is almost no Mexicans in washington

@fdt281

3 жыл бұрын

@@theloftbird9659 that's racist. Whats wrong with you?

@theloftbird9659

3 жыл бұрын

@@fdt281 how so?

@tahoe7779

3 жыл бұрын

@@jadamzink Here in the states we have no lack whatsoever of legal immigrants and citizens that know the trades and are highly skilled and available for work. She just had to sneak in her ridiculous & unnecessary political statement.

The 4 seasons/weather and a flat roof.... warranty?

@tomasFL

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t be silly, they can give you 4000 years warranty and we both know they will close one company and will open new and they will start to offer 5000 years warranty

This idea is decades overdue. I wish you all the success with your vision.

Would love to see designs and cost estimates. I'm a fan of tiny houses, so optimizing space, maximizing insulation, and minimizing energy usage -- at no cost to comfort and convenience is what I like. Might be possible to "build your own house" using parts from the selection of designs -- of that exists. Submissions from customers who built their own homes could be reviewed by the public to even add a "customized" house to the list of designs. Lots of possibilities. Wonder how level and durable these houses are, as well as how easily they can be connected to a "grid" (water, gas, electricity).

@shiitakestick

3 жыл бұрын

all that is simple as pie when you know how - how level are they ?? well if you didn’t make a solid level foundation or pylons it’s simple to crank a jack underneath.

My GF and I wanted to check this type of house here in Hungary, we found out the cost is way higher than normal building so weird, but like the designs

Been thinking of this for over ten years now… getting land is half the battle… I’m all about this. I’m hoping I can achieve and acquire these things in my lifetime…🐸🍺🔪🔥

This may not be the first to say about self-installed houses, but definitely the one that addresses all problems in a proper way. It's not about past problems, it's about today approach for many days to come. Thanks FreeThink

The end comment of, “can we get everyone indoors” is hilarious since most of this house is not inside.

There are lot of questions they should address. Not inspired.

I really like the design of the house. Love how its open and not a plain ordinary rectangle like the majority of houses... The only thing though, and maybe this isn't an issue - I'd have to look at the floor plan to be sure -- I wouldn't necessarily want to have to put my coat and boots on to go from the section with the bedroom or living room to the section with the bathroom, especially when its -40 degrees outside and the snow is falling at 3 feet an hour...

@desire4ulord...315

3 жыл бұрын

True! It may be a cool idea, but no one is answering questions!

It’s about damn time people start addressing affordable housing & climate change. This house certainly will do both. I’m seventy but I doubt I’ll see this readily available in my lifetime. Pity as I’m looking now for a retirement home. Plus, I live outside the US which means I’ll basically never see one of these fantastic houses. Good luck NOD. This is very exciting. After seeing the size & cost, I guess I have to reevaluate it being affordable. Also, is this house even made to withstand winters? Seattle has a mild climate but my area gets winters of -12C.

@slope_d00d2

3 жыл бұрын

its not affordable they have two models one is 264 sqft for 90,000 the other 500sqft for 150k

@slope_d00d2

3 жыл бұрын

and keep in mind you have to own land to put it on…

The way they have that 'house' setup might work in very warm conditions, but would be terrible in northern climates. They'd lose so much heat, they'd be freezing all the time. There's a reason most houses don't have their rooms spread out like a giant noodle. Having everything together helps keep the heat in. Probably less windows would help, too. But I like the idea of having a house they can connect together. Making the walls out of plastic I would assume would be cheaper. Though I've heard this sales pitch before. They used to say how making CDs and DVDs from tapes and VHS would reduce the price so much, yet instead all the prices were jacked up. So, odds are it wont be cheaper at all, just cost more like everything else.

That House makes no Sense (!) why would I walk between the two Buildings (Bedroom + combined Living Room) & be exposed to the forces of nature (?) encase the Catwalks with Glass to make them Air Tight... And why does the Utility Room need to be in a Conservatory / Greenhouse Style Building? Perhaps a vertical Wind Turbine makes more use of Wind going through the Forest, than the Solar. A pitched Roof, would fit the Solar Energy / Solar Heating Panels better while also mitigate Service Issues, like having to cleaning Debris off the Flat Roof. If you want to keep the Flatroof put Plastic Tubes with Planters on top, to insulate the Roof. And Fog Catchers could help with FreshWater... And why not use Solar Tubes to get light into the Rooms? Or Ceiling Windows, that can help with natural Ventilation, removing the need for an Air Con Unit.

@proppo4924

4 жыл бұрын

Wind doesn't "go through the forest" in any amount worth worrying about. I really wonder about the claim of "carbon neutral".

Quote from their website: * Due to an unprecedented rise in construction material costs, f l e x and f l e x+ pricing will be established on a project by project basis for the near term.

I checked out the freethink link in the details. Awesome idea! I have to admit, I'm not sure I'd want to live in a 500sqft home, let alone 260ft. I live in FL, so I'm also curious how well these home stand up to storms, hurricanes, humidity and salty air, etc. Very interested to see what your company comes out with in the future though :-)

"Sustainable" but... we design it to require an acre ofland surrounding it. Want sustainable? Design a low energy and ATTRACTIVE apartment building. Want even more impact? Lobby the US governments to get rid of building regulations that limit buildings to these huge area, single family homes..

@felixguerrero6062

3 жыл бұрын

Apartment buildings are not sustainable (also very hideous). Along with commercial buildings they are among the least efficient and least sustainable. Also there is no legislation that mandates single family homes in the US (😂😂😂). Low density single family are great as long as they made from local traditional material that are climate adapted. Apartments building are fine as long they are under 4 floor, when you get higher than that it just destroys the neighborhood.

Love The Home! Love The Design! Would LOVE TO SEE ANYONE BE ABLE TO AFFORD ONE AND HOMELESSNESS JUST DISAPPEAR! ExtremelyCool Guys!!

@freethink

4 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome! We've profiled some other folks doing really great work in creating next-generation, cheap homeless housing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/in2T0biGecrbZto.html

As a person that lives in their car.. this is my dream.

I would love to see something like this were I live in northern Alberta. But it doesn't really look like something that could stand tornados and -40 C°.

The moment these houses were compared to ikea, I knew that building these is going to be way harder than they say it is.

A great example of Free Market Environmentalism. The first person to introduce me to this idea was Professor Walter Block. The market is already doing a substantially better job at sustainable living than government ever could Having said that, this company is in its infancy and will need to improve before gaining mass adoption. Questions like design, quality, warranty, longevity, price, etc will need to be answered

I think y’all are off to a great start! I would love to see more prototypes for other weather efficient homes.

Your content is awsome . Keep it up!

Make an "A" frame house made of hemp.

Hemp flooring. Windows artisanally made from desert sand. We train farm animals to assemble it and then the animals provide free milk and eggs. The roof is a rainwater-collecting compost sluice. In cold climates, we make the whole house out of ice, recovered from unfiltered downstream greywater.

Absolutely love this. It makes sense. Property ownership and equity needs to be more obtainable again. To make it sustainable and quickly assembled can be done as shown here.

Beautiful initiatives! How fortunate to have brilliant and compassionate minds working for the progress of humanity like these people.

I love this house and this company! I can’t wait for my NODE home!

This is an extraordinary concept and challenge to contemporary home design and functionality. I'm inspired

Incredible! Would be super cool if y’all donated a few to some of the homeless veterans.

I love this idea but was confused on why there was no talk on how much they predict this will cost eventually

So how much will it cost?

@tomasFL

4 жыл бұрын

What’s your income? We can’t calculate price without input data 😂

@StormcrowPictures205

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, how much? Transparency is also a great quality towards a carbon negative future.

Great job! affordable and sustainable houses are very much needed 👌

Oh snap, so many good quotes here. "We can send space shuttles to space, can we get everyone in doors"... Damn

Now, this is GREAT!

I don't think what they're doing is affordable. From your website, "By the year 2000, it (housing prices) had risen drastically to $119,600." then tell us "Costs for NODE’s homes vary up to $150,000 for 500 square feet" So $119,600 is too much for a home, yet they sell a small 500 sqft "home" for a 31k more than that and you still need to buy land. They have a 264 SqFt option for $99k, and I love tiny houses, but most people don't want to live that way. Additionally both housing sizes are illegal to build/live in in most places, that's not their problem, but it's a hurdle that needed to be overcome to even live legally in one of these "affordable" tiny/small "homes".

Everyone has their passion and mine is to see those who have become homeless find their dwelling. I am really moved by the commentators words of concern for the homeless we have now and the ones to come. I mean can you imagine, no home. No. HOME. It just takes my breath away, it really does. I really want to help. I really want to win a lottery one day and build or RESTORE a building where those who need a warm, dry, clean place to lay their head can hopefully call home. I know the drug epidemic. Well this is my dream and I know, we can move forward away from all this venomous hatred to a place we all can be proud of, once again. Much love to you all and stay safe. Namaste

Really interesting! We’ll have to look into that for our future projects once we finish our shipping container house. 😊👍🛠

@freethink

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, good luck! Keep us posted - we have a facebook group for people to share their projects (when the site isn't down...) facebook.com/groups/freethinkforum/

Was all about it until I saw how unrealistically tiny the house is THEN you find out 1/2 of it is taken up for the energy room LOL

Love the innovation and the desire to solve a problem behind it. Something to address is making sure that it is appropriate for different climates, the cold North or the hunid South. My biggest personal concern is indoor air pollution. As someone who suffers from multiple chemical sensitivities and allergens, which have been possibly linked to mold exposure, I am looking for a home that my family and I can live in that has zero to low VOC and near impossible to be a habitat for mold. That’s a tall order, I know, but just something to think about.

I want to know if the craftsmanship / codes required to make a home a life time purchase justify if you can simply buy, unpack and "install" one of these things for speed/cost; one of the problems of houses today was that houses were manufactured so fast they have qol problems. I feel the same would apply here

Interesting concept, but my question is how long do these houses last? What's their realistic life cycle? a traditional well built house can survive 100+ years, can something like this even come close to that?

I’ve seen these homes for the last two decades. It’s crazy how no one’s able to capture the market and actually produce a product that’s available to the masses!

I wonder if they’d be willing to give some one a house to see if some one can live in it for a year and build it themselves

One of my Top 10 favs for sure👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

Me and my family would love to try out a house like that Very cool idea i Love to see what it would cost

@freethink

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Their website is node.eco. They have a large variety of designs so the cost varies significantly based on size, etc., but the smallest ones cost around 150k.

@jacks1bonnielass

3 жыл бұрын

Freethink Yeah...that’s not “affordable” housing then. Seems like a ripoff to me & the fact that it would probably be blown down a hill here in rural TN during tornado season just isn’t worth fooling with. I’ll stick to my 2800sq ft log home (that also has a bunker, mind you) that was $190K :) It’s all about who you know. Stop lying to people about this crap being “affordable” because it simply is NOT true!

I feel ike somehow now I know LESS now, than before watching this video. " I don't even know what that means No one knows what it means, but it's provocative. It gets the people going!"

not sure how these would fare during the winter time or during a strong storm

what a great mission, i'd love a home like this thats less conventional and more practical

Beautiful

I just love the concept that you guys are making a positive difference for mankind and the planet ... thank you🤗

Love it!

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This looks fantastic but what about where you "plant" the house and hook up with plumbing and electric.

FANTASTIC THANK YOU YESS WE CAN HAVE BOTH

absolutely genius, love that its targeted to be affordable and not the 1%

Love your attitudes..❤

If you use bulbs, then carbon positive. If you use plastic chairs and tables, then carbon positive. If you use fancy wardrobe, then carbon positive. If you use wood, then carbon positive. If you live inside, then obviously that house is carbon positive. So see, you are living in a carbon positive house.

It may not be the best alternative for all yet, I appreciate your commitment to start the ball rolling. Generate positive conversation and collaboration to create a better more balanced humanity.

These folks have the right approach and show us how we don’t need mass immigration to build our houses . We can do it ourselves and those immigrants can stay home in their country to build up their country.

"We have enough code enforcement, enough regulations, enough county fees, enough city permits, I mean, really, really enough!!!!!"

Can’t come soon enough. Love the idea '

Show us how it's built, how tge systems work in house?

Oooo!! Cool!! ❤️👍🏾

Love it. Btw, what's the price for one of these anyway?

Instead of asking rhetorically why we build houses a certain way, this company should go build and live in a real house and learn the answer.

Doesn't look like it would survive a hurricane... probably not the best idea for floridians like myself, but if they could I would love something like this

A properly built brick building that is properly maintained can last 500+ years (nobody actually knows how long), while this kind of building won't even last 100 years (economy-wise it doesn't stand a chance). It's a great thing for businesses and people that will change with time and need it fast.

I appreciate your thinktank design innovation , as long as it is affordably carbon negative..the link to this came from $8k tiny home.. kinda silly if it's anything above double digits.. k

@freethink

3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome you made it work for that price! Another challenge is the land cost, which has been rapidly rising in many metro areas--but tiny homes on smaller lots can certainly help that!

Great video, but it lacks details. I would have loved to see the house built, specifics of the house, energy uses, total costs, etc. I know some links are provided and I will look into it later.

I love their homeless people solution!!!

This is awesome

I love the house, I just don’t like the idea of being exposed in the woods, it would be good that you can make those windows dark and opaque with a switch! That would make it perfect!

@Kelly_Ben

3 жыл бұрын

I'd much rather be exposed in the woods than the city or suburbs. Lol I'm guessing adding that kind of technology would hack up the price, especially with all that glass.

Awesome ,

First thing I notice is how much electricity are you generating with those solar panels surrounded by trees IN Seattle?

I would like to be behind this mission.

This is a fantastic approach do modular housing. Do you have designs available for people with disabilities?

I cannot wait to get my grubby hands on one of these packs!!!!!

Cool video

I LOVE THIS. There is no reason we cannot build high quality, sustainable homes for cheap.