This was my engine, I'm sure some of you are wondering the background. I bought the car with 75k miles, and it was completely stock. not even an intake. I had fun with car and occasionally drove it hard, but also did my oil change every 3k miles and I replaced spark plugs right after I bought it. One day I was cruising at 45mph and my oil level light came on. i pulled over and turned it off. My dipstick was popped out and oil was everywhere. I topped it off and continued driving, however anytime i got in boost the dipstick would come out again. Did a compression test to find out I lost compression on cylinder 1. I purchased a used motor from cheap on facebook and drove 3 hours to get it. Big mistake. Dude told me there was a head issue, so i said sweet, i just need the block. ended up having having a spun bearing. Cylinder 1 piston was blown apart (assuming from detonation) in the motor that was in my car. With no more money and 2 torn apart motors, and borrowing someone's garage (which i had 2 more days before i had to leave) i threw a "good" piston from the motor i bought into mine, hoping it would last long enough for me to get rid of the car. Didnt last a day XD. I had to suck it up and buy a legit good motor (using the rest of my savings) and swapped the good motor in. now the clutch is slipping and it isnt exactly running right so i havent been driving it. (I owe 22k on this car). yeah i know i messed up several times, and honestly i dont think i should have bought that wrx in the first place. I just dont make enough money.

@tylerrosser5938

Ай бұрын

Loved the video

@thisisobvious

Ай бұрын

Oh man. Appreciate the story and hope the replies don’t go too crazy on you 😂

@rickscott7350

Ай бұрын

$14,400 for a long block. Ouch. $4500 for a used. Even that is an ouch. Sorry things went bad.

@nicholasagnew2792

Ай бұрын

I bought a W8 Passat, its an auto and I'd definitely advise to have the transmission serviced, but its a much less expensive AWD 275 hp car. The throttle response is uselessly delayed, I mean its atrocious but its a sweet car. Its like Mike Tyson in a Tuxedo...Hell, you could get a 20 year old manual legacy or outback and have almost as much fun. Just get a $1500 rally car you can beat on.

@bobcoats2708

Ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that worked out so badly for you. Some of life’s best lessons really hurt in the moment. Wishing you the best.

Having worked at a pacific northwest Subaru dealership service department and I can attest to the fact that kids buy WRXs that can barely afford them and then can't afford to maintain them and roast the engines on a regular basis.

@rturner4205

Ай бұрын

I usually joke that if a WRX is in the shop and it's not for regular maintenance, It's usually for being treated like trash.

@HenrySomeone

Ай бұрын

And even if you maintain them religiously, they'll still blow up sooner or later...

@CJinSD1

Ай бұрын

@@HenrySomeone And at some dealerships, they take the young guy aside when he buys the car and offers to reflash the ECU so the warranty will be void when the engine blows, just like it would have if it had never been modified and had been maintained by the book.

@YOLO891

Ай бұрын

@@HenrySomeone Every engine blows up sooner or later. What's your point?

@HenrySomeone

Ай бұрын

@@YOLO891 Nah, just the Subies 🤣🤣

The problem with turbo scoobies is typically someone gets a hold of one and instantly becomes a “tuner”. They bolt on stuff that requires a lot of ancillary work without doing said work and they cheap out on doing stuff like properly decking the heads. They then take their 400 hp hand grenade out and beat the living snot out of it and are shocked when parts of the rotating assembly reach escape velocity!

@ferrumignis

Ай бұрын

It does seem like these cars are very attractive to the least skilled and most overconfident owners.

@HenrySomeone

Ай бұрын

Not really, they are plenty capable of blowing up (often spectacularly!) even completely stock.

@kevinm5177

Ай бұрын

WRXs have crazy road holding but not amazing anti slosh in the oil pan. It’s why Killer Bee makes so much money.

@xXturbo86Xx

Ай бұрын

No. The problem is that these engines are old designs that have been "modernized" with a focus on production cost reduction. That's why they suck.

@wpgspecb

Ай бұрын

@@HenrySomeone Incorrect, but keep trying. Its ok. We forgive you.

Soon as we heard this came from a WRX, it was obvious what we would find. WRX owners, after all, never modify their cars and always drive moderately only to church on Sundays.

@buttsexandbananapeels

Ай бұрын

Don’t forget they hire the very best technicians to make sure their race ready super cars are ready for any challenge at the drive thru.

@SubOhmN8

Ай бұрын

They sit there and idle at restaurant drive thru's. Never get above 3k RPMs. Granny drivers. 😂😂

@aaronbryan5095

Ай бұрын

​@@SubOhmN8 idling often will still wear out an engine by quite a bit though

@vumba1331

Ай бұрын

Driving Miss Daisy.

@Wtrxprs007able

Ай бұрын

​@@aaronbryan5095Not as much as keeping it at 7000rpm most of the time. At idle the all the parts and fluids stay at operating temp and is the best time for them. I dont know about in USA but here in aus, taxis easily see 700,000km+ from an engine because theyre never turned off.

The best part today: "that metal has oil in it", that is a new level.

@curtiseggemeyer5681

Ай бұрын

I loved that .

@samoliver3242

Ай бұрын

"would you like some oil with your metal shavings sir?"

@Tylermattrazzo

Ай бұрын

Came across this comment as he said it, perfect

"Sparkle Sensor" That actually exists in aviation. Helicopter transmissions have "chip detectors", which sense the forbidden glitter and let the pilots know they are about do to an autorotation......

@halkennedy6353

Ай бұрын

I have seen that light come on.

@JohnSmith-pl2bk

Ай бұрын

@@halkennedy6353 Mayday mayday mayday.....

@ghostrider-be9ek

Ай бұрын

most modern turbine engines have it as well - making metal is a quick way to IFSD

@Flies2FLL

Ай бұрын

@@halkennedy6353 😳 I'm glad you are here to tell me that!

@sofielee4122

Ай бұрын

Not just helicopters, just about every turbine engine has them. Funny part of the TPE331-10N engine (one of the ones on the Cessna conquest) is that the chip detector isn't connected to the harness. Every 24 months you're supposed to take it out and look at it to see if the magnet has grabbed a chip lol

" Somebody's been in there" is the boxer engine death sentence

@pocketpc_

Ай бұрын

Yup. Keep 'em stock and keep oil in 'em and they will run hundreds of thousands of miles no problem. But WRX owners just can't seem to stop themselves from loading up the bolt-ons...

@evoman44

Ай бұрын

I recommend reading the previous owner's comment that is now pinned at the top. He basically half assed the rebuild himself because he was broke.

When I worked at a garbage dump, the policy was if you were the first person to operate a vehicle for the day, you were REQUIRED to check oil, water and air pressure in tires. Then, whenever you got in a vehicle before you moved it, you checked the oil. Our equipment never failed.

Owned a 15 Forester XT with this engine, the Forester gave me more problems than this engine. Strangest quirk about the whole car was that it really disliked having a weak battery, even giving engine lights over it. That car wore its wheel bearings and broke studs on the front passenger side consistently. Plugs looked a lot better than that when I changed them in this video. Oh and these cars lose the refrigerant every 2-3 years in Florida but generally the cooling system held up. The A/C pump gets noisy when its low. I gave that thing every little preventative service, which I think is the most important thing, nothing runs long without keeping the changeable fluids and parts out today.

I thought the Bering Sea was between Alaska and Russia not in the bottom of a Subaru oil pan 😱

@ferrumignis

Ай бұрын

😂 Very punny.

@MegaFluxcapacitor

Ай бұрын

😂

@dougrobinson8602

Ай бұрын

Be-Ring? Yeah, we saw that!

@areid1440

Ай бұрын

Good 1 😂😂😂😂

That turbo impeller looks like it came off an airplane after a bird strike. Don't know that we've ever seen one THAT wrecked!

@kviasen7603

Ай бұрын

The turbo nut is counter clockwise threaded so should never be able to unscrew. and the piston small end cap was not tightened at all? could this be an Insurance scam ?.

@HenrySomeone

Ай бұрын

@@kviasen7603 If there is one brand where you don't need to do an insurance scam (atleast as far as blown up engines go), it's Subaru - you just drive it a bit more and it will do that for you... 😆😆

@stevevalley7835

Ай бұрын

Charles the "Humble Mechanic" guy dissected a GTI engine some years ago, and the turbo was at least that chewed up.

@BlueSteel331

Ай бұрын

@@kviasen7603 - BIG end cap actually = learn mechanics.

@luckyguy600

Ай бұрын

Seen that a few times in the spring with birds nesting in DC-8 cabin compressor inlets on the nose.4 of them Boom! They were humming along till they just let go. The two outer compressors were not horrible to change. The two inboards were a nightmare. What a design.

holy smokes! with the oil pan sitting directly over the exhaust, these engines must absolutely cook the oil.

@Justme-jt1ef

Ай бұрын

I was thinking that as well some will say but it has heat Shields and I say not when they put salt on the roads.

@MattExzy

Ай бұрын

I like how I got a Subaru ad right before this played.

@gregsalerno1434

Ай бұрын

Bad design !

@mikeyp916

Ай бұрын

There are several heat shields, plenty of airflow, and an oil cooler to keep oil cool. It rarely goes above 100C unless it's hard driving.

@samholdsworth420

Ай бұрын

​@@mikeyp916212°f is warm lol

Watching you admire timing chains as if they were high quality gold ones will forever be one of my favorite bits of this channel.

@91CavGT5

Ай бұрын

I think he has a timing chain fetish. With how he handles them, with how he talks about them, yeah……….

@littlesquirtthefireengine5478

Ай бұрын

I think we need a 'top 10 eric's favorite timing chains' episode

Eric sloshes his hand in the waste oil searching for the dropped socket extension, and I'm thinking "Doesn't he have a magnet on a stick?" And shortly thereafter, he's splitting the block and fishes out bolts with... a magnet on a stick! What time do you film these awesome teardowns that you're thinking so clearly?

@I_Do_Cars

Ай бұрын

Usually 10pm to 1am lol

@Ghauster

Ай бұрын

Better was when he was getting ready to throw the water pump. 🤣

Thanks for the Shout out Eric, and letting me be apart of the video. To those who wish to bring up a forum post about Pmp from 12 years ago, Give it a rest... this is a salvage yard, not a puppy and kitten adoption center, we will never make 100% of the people happy 100% of the time. Thanks!

@AudioHead809

Ай бұрын

You guys are great! I bought a transmission from you guys years ago.

@Pmpautogroup

Ай бұрын

@@AudioHead809 Thanks!

@TheMissing62

Ай бұрын

So you say I can't adopt a Ford Coyote or an LS...? My heart is broken in pieces.

That lil chinga dera hanging off the cam is a brake booster vacuum pump Garrett Honeywell makes the oem 15-21 turbo.

Yes, I think the MGT2259S is the OEM turbo for the Forester XT and WRX during those years.

@suttondavis1929

Ай бұрын

Yep that is the turbo

@jfan4reva

Ай бұрын

AND you can get a remanufactured one for only $700 - $750 plus shipping. (Eric is crying real tears at this point.)

@MrWoodyBalto

Ай бұрын

I spent 0 minutes searching for this info. I knew all would be revealed right here in the comments.🤘

@disposablehero4911

Ай бұрын

So, car videos someday? Esp. if it's 80's cars.😉

@jamesbender3809

Ай бұрын

Unexpected Adrian's digital basement

I own an EJ25 that i did a roll disk resurface on. Not for lack of money but lack of time. Every machine shop was weeks out and i had about a week to get the heads done and car back together. So together it went after checking with a straight edge. That was 80k miles ago. No problems yet. I feel like i won the lottery on that one.

My stock ‘17 WRX blew off two pieces of the #4 piston skirt at 113,000 miles which then fell into the oil pain ruining the bearings. No I didn’t race it, auto cross it etc it just blew up. As I stated it was stock. I also maintained it diligently trying to avoid a catastrophic engine failure. I’m not a kid either I’m in my 50s. I’ll never buy a Subaru again.

@evoman44

Ай бұрын

2005 WRX owner here with 140k miles. I think mine has lasted as long as it has even though I have tracked it a few times because I have addressed the flaws those particular models had. From what I have read your generation engines had an issue with uneven cooling of the cylinders. But there is a simple modification that fixes the issue by adding another coolant line to the block. They even make a kit for the fix. Another thing that causes damage to boxer engines is lugging it by being in too tall of a gear when traveling a slow speed. That causes detonation and piston slap.

@talusranch990

20 күн бұрын

Me neither, almost same story. Subaru is a joke

@talusranch990

20 күн бұрын

Same story but was spun bearing, Subaru is a joke

Knock knock . Uncle Rodney ? I choose option 3 , someone definitely assembled the engine wrong

@luckyguy600

Ай бұрын

bad bad mechanic

@evoman44

Ай бұрын

The previous owners comment is now pinned at the top. He basically half assed the rebuild because he was pressed for time and was broke.

My favorite part of Saturday. Cheers Sir

117k on my full bolt on FA20 running e50 and making 360/350 on an unequal length header and stock turbo, 4 different dyno sessions throughout the modification process. they're good engines if taken care of right. I've had mine going on 7 years and the only issue I've had is a bad OCV which was $50 bucks. I take it to plenty of mexico nights and play when I want to but take care of it and drive normal most of the time. That was the stock turbo btw.

I really thought the water pump was going to go through the rear window of the car.

"Debris... took off the tip" well played. Also, nice jab at Ray!

@miketdavies

Ай бұрын

BTW speedkar had a 3.6L Subie teardown a while back, was interesting!

@KarlHamilton

Ай бұрын

Explain please lol

@TracyCorbett

Ай бұрын

I came to the comments to see how many of us appreciated that little bit of dad joke brilliance!

You know the teardown is going to be a good one when Mardi Gras oil is used.

Fun fact about that turbo location, it is not new to the FA platform. There were also bottom mount turbo EJ engines available on the 2010-2012 Legacy GT which was also mated to the new 6 speed transmission that replaced the old 5 speed. It is almost identical to the 2015+ WRX unit.

As a Toyota Master Tech, ive done enough of the Scion FRS/Toyota 86 they are the FA20 Non-Turbo, They all do this. They all blow up. THEY ARE JUNK!

I can attest to how good the H6 is. I had to replace a timing chain on an early 2000’s Outback. The job was a complete nightmare (I had never done one and the entire powertrain had to be dropped and I was working in an aftermarket shop). But, this engine ran very well and it had just under 250,000 miles on it. I was quite impressed by it, which is saying something because I am not a Subaru fan.

What's amazing is just how BIG that 4 cyl engine is.

@solderbuff

Ай бұрын

Definitely adding to the problems of this engine design.

@geeniusatwrok

Ай бұрын

That is the biggest damn timing cover I've ever seen aide from a Ford Cammer 427.

@martin-vv9lf

Ай бұрын

@@solderbuff it's the only part that's not broken.

@thegroundhurts

Ай бұрын

About 70lbs heavier than most inline 4’s.

@jerrybracco9893

Ай бұрын

Best water pump gag yet!

Owner of 3 Subarus, one of which has this exact motor in it, and it was great seeing a full FA20 teardown! I'm so glad you showed the intake valves, as I wasn't able to find a reliable source on how bad the carbon can get for a long time. Much LESS worried now having seen this, as we are clearly nowhere near Volkswagen / Mini levels of DI filth. Ironically it's my H6 Subaru engine that gives me the most grief, though to be fair that IS because it's 30 years old! (Definitely support the H6 recommendation, a shame Subaru stopped making them). Specific to what Eric found here: the wet plugs is a common phenomenon on FA20s if I understand it correctly. One of my driver side plugs had a similar look to it when I replaced them last year. Seems this unit was the same. Also this engine was definitely mangled by someone before it got to the stand of shame. Only heard of one type of 3M rollock wheel being approved for use by Subaru, and that was only for removing RTV, not for..."re surfacing" the heads (I'd probably stick with a razor blade anyway, just to be safe). Would love to see an FA24 teardown once one inevitably ends up in your shop! Curious to see the differences in valvetrain and connecting rods, two areas Subaru supposedly tried to improve after people started finding the limits of the FA20. PS - Don't let the memes scare you, modern 4 cylinder Subarus are not all time bombs, and any ordinary Subaru that's been well maintained by a normal person should serve you just fine as long as you pay attention and take care of it. You can even find relatively un-ruined 2015+ WRXs easily enough if you dig a little because chasing big power without port injection is prohibitively expensive for a lot of people. Just try and avoid buying someone else's instagram build and you'll likely be fine

@YOLO891

Ай бұрын

I own a 2020 wrx with 55k on it and i love my ol'girl i take care of her but anyway if you want to see tear downs and other knowledge on the FA20 or the FA24 engines 3 of the most knowledable subaru humans on youtube maybe the whole internet check out MotoIQ, Mrsubaru1387 and Smeedia.

@evoman44

Ай бұрын

I recommend reading the previous owner's comment that is now pinned at the top. He basically did a half assed rebuild himself because he was broke.

I have an FA20 DIT 2.0 turbo in our daily driver, a 2015 Subaru. It's fun to see it torn down, thanks for your effort.

This channel is so relaxing. It's ASMR for gearheads. Gnight 309 wherever you are.❤

That engine was lovingly gone through by an expert.

@bryede

Ай бұрын

An expert, just not in mechanics.

17:30 The sign says the turbo is made in Wuhan. That's right, that famous place !

@disposablehero4911

Ай бұрын

Wow, everything that comes out of that place just sucks.

@thelonelywolf88

Ай бұрын

That turbo caught it

@Hybris51129

Ай бұрын

Quick quarantine the engine!

@ferrumignis

Ай бұрын

Wuhan stands out as the filthiest s*** hole I have ever visited.

@xXturbo86Xx

Ай бұрын

CHINA TURBO!

As always Eric, a great Saturday night video. Thanks for my entertainment on a rainy Saturday night.

As always thank you Eric. A great way to relax watching to see the damage.

Maybe other people have suggested this and maybe you have done one before but I’d like to see a 2.7 out of the newer silverados/colorados/caddy at4

The disptick did not even put up a good fight this time. Good water pump skit there 😂

Great video! Thank you for the great job all the time!

I must have a unicorn. 120k miles so far and it’s been happy.

@xXturbo86Xx

Ай бұрын

I guess you never hit 60. Good for you. Speed kills and ruins Subarus.

@BiologistRyan

Ай бұрын

@@xXturbo86Xxbold of you to assume you know anything about how I drive.

@Denverian

Ай бұрын

👃👈

@9:10 - I had a Fumoto locking ball valve on my old 99 Forester. Made changing oil a toolless prospect. DO NOT take your car to a lube place without first explaining what the valve is. A friend did this and the oil change place did a Fumoto delete on his car because they couldn't figure it out. They also charged him for a new oil drain bolt and crush washer.

@cricketyosh

Ай бұрын

I think if you're putting a fumoto on your vehicle you aren't going to a quick lube

@robertslegers257

Ай бұрын

I can't believe this engine failed. It had a K and N oil filter.

@michaelgleason4791

Ай бұрын

@@cricketyosh He literally told you his friend did just that.

@TechGorilla1987

Ай бұрын

@@cricketyosh The friend got the valve based on my recommendation. He traveled all over in his vehicle and if it got even 2 miles over a scheduled oil change, he panicked. He had taken it to a quick lube place over a lunch break in Solon Ohio.

@ferrumignis

Ай бұрын

​@@TechGorilla1987What's the point though? Undoing a drain plug takes seconds, and it looked like the flow out of the ball valve was much lower than out of a regular drain plug.

Performance Shop by me gets so many blown WRX’s they keep rebuilt long blocks on the shelf ready to go.

@tdotw77

Ай бұрын

Straight up job security right there!

@evoman44

Ай бұрын

That's actually a good thing. The average car today have little options available other than buying a new engine or short block because they are not rebuild able and the used salvage engines are too risky.

It looks like that engine has suffered one or more mechanical insults I’ll bet you there’s more to the story of this engine than we know

@connor1285

Ай бұрын

This is my buddies engine, trust me. Holy shit. There's alot

@TheCRTman

Ай бұрын

@@connor1285 Must know more!!

@RipliWitani

Ай бұрын

I knew it

@unavailablenumbers

Ай бұрын

@@connor1285 well, I mean, that was kind of a given with the extremely obviously counterfeit turbo. Entirely bogus markings everywhere, wrong finish, very obviously the wrong impeller bolt, wrong wastegate actuator, etc., etc., etc.

Handywell turbos from Temu are ok if you don’t use them.

Hello from Texas. Love the videos

Here are a couple engines you should tear down just for fun. GM 1.5L Turbo 4 (LYX) Ford Godzilla 7.3L V8 Chrysler 2.4L Tigersharl MultiAir I4 Toyota A25A-FXS (Camry or RAV4 hybrid) Chrysler Pentastar 3.2L V6

@buttsexandbananapeels

Ай бұрын

Definitely the Tigershark. That thing is JUNK!

I have this engine in my Forrester XT, and when I was looking at buying it, I talked to my mechanic about the reliability and the one thing he said was check the oil and check it often.

Love the LS cam bearings comment!😀👍Was that a reference to Rainman Rays teardown by any chance?

I bought a subaru off a Subaru mechanic. He blew a headgasket and replaced the engine. He was selling it because that engine blew a headgasket. He also stopped being a Subaru mechanic

@20:28 - Well timed and well placed circumcision joke right there. Very nice.

You are always interesting and I learn good information. THANKS! That engine is too complex for anyone not familiar with the brand. Congrats on that long distance water pump toss.

Great tear down Eric. Nice catch on that water pump Pete. Take care all.

My wife owns a Subaru Outback. I'm gonna rip the engine out right now and set it by the street. Thanks for the heads up.

@fix0r420

Ай бұрын

😂

@BenoJ3000

Ай бұрын

Headache saved

@Sam-go3mb

Ай бұрын

Good call, btw quickly swap in a Studebaker 6-Cylinder Flathead in its place - she wont know the difference.

@IDGAF56852

Ай бұрын

I feel sorry for you owning one of those pieces of sht subarus.

@YOLO891

Ай бұрын

Why would you do that? Did you try to modify it not knowing what you are doing or don't change her oil and do proper maintenance like a vehicle should get done? If not you're comment makes no sense.

I have the exact same engine and same model year Subaru. If you modify it( like mine heavily) you MUST have it professionally tuned on a dyno to accommodate the changes. Otherwise they will blow like this one. Maintenance is also imperitive on these, especially turbo models. An IAG air/ oil separator is a must to decrease buildup on intake valves. Then you just pray!! I got 65k on mine and it's smooth as butter

@suttondavis1929

Ай бұрын

130k miles on my '16, and I'm on e50. Crazy how reliable it can be if you do the right mods and do regular maintenance. It's a good car if you take care of it

@Hybris51129

Ай бұрын

This is one reason why I turned down a order for a 2023 GR86. The more I learned about the engines the more I knew that I was biting off more than I could chew when it came to modding. Not to mention the closest well reviewed specialty tuner for Subaru's was nearly 900 miles away.

@alexpetree2038

Ай бұрын

​@suttondavis1929 130k on a modded performance engine isn't impressive in anyway shape or form

@dylanskiba8650

Ай бұрын

2018 WRX here, same story, absolutely no signs of engine trouble after 6 years and nearing 100k kilometers. Only concern I have is corrosion on the copper oil cooler potentially causing a leak in the future, and that's just the great salty north working its magic, not Subaru's fault. Leave these engines stock, or modify them *slowly* making sure to properly dial in each mod / tune, and they really won't treat you that poorly at all, especially if you have a local Subaru shop who can help you out with the heavy stuff. If you absolutely must, throw an AOS at the carbon buildup problem, but even if you don't (I personally haven't) it REALLY isn't that big of a deal. This engine may look gross to those with port injection, but just look at some of the earlier direct injection Minis, Audis, and Volkswagens and you'll quickly see what REAL carbon buildup looks like. (Hint: it was way worse than what you see here, and probably part of why people fear direct injection to this day)

@suttondavis1929

Ай бұрын

@@alexpetree2038 Modified turbo subaru engines kick the can far before 100k miles. I wasn't trying to be impressive--I was merely stating how many miles the car has Edited.

Eric, when you had discovered a piece of compression ring. Not only was that funny. Based on how they “resurface the head” . Along with multiple bolts being clearly loose. I found it funny when you mentioned at the end when you said when you were talking about the split block being any good. “if anybody would rebuild these engines“. Clearly, somebody made a very poor attempt and you see the results.LOL

Extended oil change intervals and use of non-synthetic oil may be cause of many of these subaru issues. I noticed on my EJ253 motor that if I tried to extend the oil change interval beyond the severe service interval the oil would always be down a quart. Seemed like the oil was thinned out and started to be used quickly after about 3000 miles of use. Little oil use up to 3000, lots of oil use after 3000.

That water pump looks like a snail. That's the word you were looking for. 😉

@beerdedwanderer

Ай бұрын

D & B

@vincentpattavina2120

Ай бұрын

The type of snail is a Chambered Nautilus, Nautilus Pompilius

i love those fumoto drain valves. made oil changes so easy. never leaked a drop.

@albinklein7680

Ай бұрын

I will never get the point of those BS valves.

It may go against some of your ideals but I would like you to tear down some high mileage running engines, like some toyota and LS with like 500k miles. See what some well cared for engines that are getting toward the end of their useful life and note the difference from the ones who meet a destructive end. Love the content

Enjoyed this, as I do all of your videos, very much!

I owned a 2016 WRX and it was the biggest piece of junk. The FA20DIT is the worst engine subaru ever made! No power after 2nd gear. The cam sprockets for timing chain ending losing teeth and would make an awful noise every time I started it. Dealer fixed it under warranty and I traded that garbage in.

It does look like Subaru took a lot of feedback from the previous engine generation and applied it here. I think they used chain because the VVT is oil pressure fed, and less likely to leak since there are no camshaft seals.

I knew what you meant when yo usaid "worstly" - You still have the bestly channel on teardowns.

I changed the oil on one of these today. Glad to see its guts.

Is it possible to see the ecu output at the time of failure? Like rpm and error codes? It would provide a nice picture of why they fail. Like a black box

@JohnDenversMissingHead

Ай бұрын

No

@chriscord6524

Ай бұрын

@@JohnDenversMissingHead the manufacturers can’t see what rpm the motor was for warranty? I just think they can. The data is there.

@blakelinn4499

Ай бұрын

I know its possible to see freeze frame data at the event certain codes are set.

@lsswappedcessna

Ай бұрын

P69420 - "Generalized Subaru Failure"

Man, that is a real Rube Goldberg-looking contraption you've got there! I wonder what the total parts count is for that thing?

I had one of these for 70k tuned. Did autox a few times a year with it. Kept on top of oil bit overkill, every 3k. Was running fine when i traded it in. I liked that engine/car. My wife hated it though.

Glad my phone reminded me, in Nashville and too many beers may have had small part of not remembering! ha

@stevetaylor9265

Ай бұрын

I feel the to many beers 🍻

There is a tech on the line at Subaru Mr. Stripymoto San who makes sure bolts come rounded from the factory.

@robertslegers257

Ай бұрын

🤣

@nyc8452

Ай бұрын

🤣

Eric...now I know why they blow up! Nobody wants to tackle an oil change on that thing!

@Thatdavemarsh

Ай бұрын

FA oil change is one of the easiest I’ve ever done. Drain is relatively easy to get to and the oil filter location is the gold standard.

@ekimbrough1413

Ай бұрын

@@Thatdavemarsh Yeah Dave, I spoke way to soon on that one: I saw the brass plug a little later on! It was the bottomside turbo that threw me! I didn't like the fact that Eric was trashing Subaru. If the engines fail in those cars: is that people don't take care, and do the maintenance on them like they're suppose to! I have a very high opinion of those cars!

Thanks Erik, I was waiting for you to do a FA20F. 5:10 - People do remove the diverters if they are deleting the tgv's, otherwise it is bad to take them out if not tgv deleted. 9:10 - There is nothing wrong with a regular drain bolt, people put these Fumoto valves on for absolutely no good reason. 15:20 - That would be an exhaust leak, there was a recall on these for the exhaust manifold nuts loosening for the earlier production years. 17:30 - factory turbo, maybe a re-maned one, wonder how that nut came loose? 30:00 - Oil level sensor was a nice addition to the FA motors that the EJ does not come equipped with. Like that you capitalized on the ease of serviceability that Subaru designed in, pretty rare to see improvements made from previous motor designs when comparing to other manufacturers in today's disposable world. You did miss some opportunities to show the filter screens in the cam carriers and avcs/turbo feed line banjo bolts.

Ah, my Saturday night is off to a good start!

I so want Snap-On to make a vice-grip head for their torque wrenches.

Yes, you can’t blame it on head gaskets anymore now it’s just front cover leaks….

@fubartotale3389

Ай бұрын

Improper modifications, improper maintenance. Abuse. These are the main causes of Subaru engine failure. I have seen WRX's with 300, 000 miles.

@patrikkrywult

Ай бұрын

@@fubartotale3389 We have Legacy GT 2010 with 320000 Km...

H-6. The only Subie I will work on.. because it’s moms. I was waiting for “ I’m sure this would be easier in the car.”! 😂

Moto IQ does a great job on explaining Subie engines

"someone has been here" is an understatement. love this engine - great video!

Yaaaaay, finally my engine on the channel (not my actual engine, yet). I have a 2016 with 140K, original stock long block, has every mod you can imagine. I bought it brand new in 2015 and has been modded since first pulling it into my driveway. As with any other turbo engine, change and CHECK your oil more often than recommended and it'll serve you well. Also get a tune that suits your location/weather/seasons, the engine runs so much healthier when it's not running the stock tune, modded or not.

I just love the engineering that goes into these things. I know these engines get a bad rap but I believe it's more the type of people who are into these cars and how young they are and how often they beat on them without maintaining them.

The next first thing I’d like to do is like this video, and subscribe… engine teardown videos and wordplay, love it!

Part of the reason some engines blow up is they are attractive to wannabe tuner cheezebags. Certain cars I tell people never to buy - modded cars, cheap sports cars, trucks with Bro-Dozer makeovers, European....anything, cars that have the glue on "upgrade parts" listed in the ad including "Subs available for extra", cars with known bad engines or transmissions (GM 3.6, Kia, Nissan with CVT pattern failures etc.) Many performance cars, mostly those owned by a young person - HAVE been thrashed. Stay gold.

@buttsexandbananapeels

Ай бұрын

I’d especially never buy a used WRX unless it already comes with a blown engine and I have one ready to go in. For some reason, the people that wrench like Hellcat thieves drive gravitate towards WRX ownership. As for bro-dozers, you just have to wait until October when all the mods that were put on credit make the truck go into repo because they can’t pay for everything (or the insurance lapses) after tax refund checks get deposited. Plenty at auction from July to October for that reason, just like Nissans and Kias. All a very particular stereotypical buyer.

@HenrySomeone

Ай бұрын

True, but Subies are plenty capable of blowing up even completely stock though... 😆😆

@xXturbo86Xx

Ай бұрын

Only this isn't the case. And it's not the case with MANY blown engines. The main reason that engines blow up is either lack of maintenance or bad design. A combination of both is often the case with modern engines because manufacturers cut development and production costs. Especially Japanese ones. Good engines one the other hand survive even at the hands of clown tuners or even lack of maintenance and abuse. But they're extremely rare these days. God i miss the 90s....

@HenrySomeone

Ай бұрын

@@xXturbo86Xx Precisely, being able to survive even sub-par maintainence is the greatest hallmark of a truly reliable engine. On the other hand, most Subie units (at least the turbo ones) blow up sooner or later even with very decent upkeep, lol. 😆

@drivewayhero

Ай бұрын

So take the bus basically

I’ve owned 2 WRXs. My 2005 had 325,000 miles on it when it was sold. It had head gaskets around 150,000 and about 300,000 it’s started using oil to a point that it was ready for a rebuild. My send one is a 2020 and has been perfect this far. The thing with Subarus is there are no shortcuts to building power. My FA20 is built to produce 325 horsepower and it does so very reliably. HOWEVER, it was not cheap to get it there, and when it came time to “tune” the car I did not go with the off the shelf Cobb access port, but rather a professional shop that specializes in Subarus. They are amazingly fun cars to drive, are surprisingly quick and really are great in all weather conditions. The big drawback is they are relatively cheap cars to purchase, even new. So you get plenty of young and dumbs who don’t know what they’re doing and can’t afford to upgrade or maintain. I love Subarus, but I would NEVER purchase a used WRX or WRX/STi. You can almost guarantee that it’s been beat to death

The biggest issue with the H4, is how Subaru puts turbos on them, to keep up with the demand, especially on the Outback, and its fat cousin, the Ascent. I owned a 2009 Outback, with the H4, and it ran OK, but I could feel the engine constantly struggling to get the car down the road. I traded it in on a 2015 Outback, with the 3.6 H6, and the difference was night and day. When the Ascent came out, I thought it would come standard with the H6, or maybe Subaru would make an H8, but nope... Instead, they discontinued the H6, slapped a turbo on the smallest H4 they have, and called it a day... I totally understand Subaru's frustration with the CAFE standards, but good Lord, what a mess. I'll be keeping and maintaining my 2015 3.6 Outback, until the wheels fall off. But if they don't do something reasonable, like bringing back the H6, or maybe incorporating a hybrid system, that aids the H4 in acceleration, and stop with the turbo foolishness, I won't be purchasing another one. Don't get me wrong! I don t mind the turbo charging, but only for the sport models. People who buy sport models, understand, that the engine will be pushed to its limits, and that it also won't last very long, because of the performance boost. But when you boost the performance of an engine, just to get it to propel the car down the road, you've basically made the car junk in 5~7 years.

ViseGrip makes a special model (the Locking Wrench) just for removing rounded bolts. It has a V-shaped jaw. I don't use it often, but when you need it's a godsend.

I applaud Subaru for the serviceability upgrades. The older versions that you tore down were just bizarre. I work on flat aircraft engines all of the time but they are almost lawnmowerish compared to flat automobile engines!

@brianspencer6397

Ай бұрын

Probably because, like lawnmowers, the Lycomings and Continentals don't run above 2700RPM. Don't need high tech for that speed range.

@stephenw2992

Ай бұрын

The Subaru engine was originally an aircraft engine wasnt it? The early ones were pretty simple

@upsidedowndog1256

Ай бұрын

@@stephenw2992 I don't know for sure but the old Subarus I worked on the engines seemed too heavy and underpowered for aircraft use. I think there is an experimental engine based on the newer engines, though. I think it's called a Jabiru.

I have found myself checking my oil level more thanks to these videos. My VW was a quart low yesterday. Just think of all the engine lives you have saved.

Bought my 17 wrx with 50k on it completely stock from an older lady. Car now has 90k oil changes every 3k miles tranny, rear diff and spark plugs every 30k. I have a hand held tuner to eliminate rev hang and monitor fine knock learn and feedback knock as well as other systems to know if somethings going wrong before it’s too late. So far so good. 95° days 85 on the highway oil temps rarely go above 225°. Not a bad car just really gotta take care of them. Still completely stock it’s just more fun to drive than an accord or Camry. Definitely wish I did more research on maintenance before I bought it cuz I’d be fine with a basically maintenance free Camry lol

I know you're in touch with Rainman. Could you please let him know that he's gonna get an infection if he keeps going back to front on teardowns?

We have a GM 2.7 4 cylinder out of a 22 Silverado 1500. Really want to see what’s in it, but the $1200 core charge is stopping me.

Love you channel Eric. The pipe grip part of you vice-grips will grab better mostly because there is more leverage closer to the pivot, not just 'cause the teeth are sharper.

The inside of the oil pan looks like a Nevada silver mine

the "my buddy can do it cheaper" here was on full display.

I was at the gas pump the other day checking under the hood while my brand new hybrid Corolla tank was filling and an older Forester pulled up. It took a lot of effort to not use my best Dirty Harry quote when he pumped gas and didn't check under the hood. "Do you feel lucky? Well do you punk?" lol

@albinklein7680

Ай бұрын

Don't they have an oil level gauge?

Its unfortunate, and one of the reasons I'm getting out of my Subaru (hopefully before anything catastrophic happens). I'm a 3rd owner of a 2015 WRX with the FA20DIT. Car performs great, I've kept up the maintenance since purchase. I've taken care of the car and the car has taken care of me. Another person in my state has a Red 2016 with over 200k miles and still daily drives it. The FA20DIT is not meant to be a power performer. Its not meant to compete with the 4G63, or Ford's Eco boost. It was designed during a time when Subaru was scared for their business due to their head gasket issues and probably a load of more problems. The rods will bend at around 400 wheel torque, at around 500 whp the open deck design will give way. So on and so forth. Sad to say as I like the body style of the VA cars. But they're just not competitive without building the block.

To me, having the number of cams equal to the number of cylinders suggests unnecessary complexity. Plus that just seems like a really large engine for a 2.0. I’d be interested to see a K24 on the channel, especially one that has seen some mods or one of the DI ones. I’m sure at least a few have gotten blown up.

@martin-vv9lf

Ай бұрын

dohc is why the boxer is almost gone. they were more competitive in the past with a single cam. on the upside though, there's not as much cam twist like in a 6 or 8 cylinder. not as many blown head gaskets due to the short head not expanding and contracting as much.

Take a drink everytime he says “That oil has metal in it”😂

@battycowboy

Ай бұрын

My liver is flipping you a bird oh look a second has appeared 😅

@thelonelywolf88

Ай бұрын

Or just "sparkles" in general lol

@rleger123

Ай бұрын

Forbidden glitter?

@robertslegers257

Ай бұрын

@@battycowboy I just sent my wife out for another case of beer.

@longlivethephoenix

Ай бұрын

Or "first thing we are going to do" or " next thing we are going to do"

Ive seen turbo failures like this. I would not trust any major engine part. This is a classic demonstration.

I have a 2019 WRX with this engine and it's given me 49K completely trouble free miles. It gets driven aggressively but not abused and I'm obsessively meticulous about oil changes and I check it regularly. It's never used a drop thankfully. I'm definitely aware of the pitfalls of this engine if it's not maintained.

Bahahaha, remember blowing up my friends WRX engine after he asked me to drive him home after he drank too much ... the funny thing was that i asked him have you changed the oil after i told him the month before its very dirty & low on oil ......well he said no ,15 minutes later BOOM💥 it blew up & chunks of metal bouncing around, ended up going home by towtruck.....luckily for him i had a wrecked in the rear super low Subaru in the tow yard with a outstanding unpaid bill as it was driving uninsured....ended up selling him the entire engine & transmission, the bonus was it also had brand new dealer installed factory catalytic converters on it as well, so i got to scrap his old ones

@NsKrewtable

Ай бұрын

This sounds sus.

What gloves do you use? I know I'm not the only one who would like to know brand of gloves those greeen gloves are.

@freedomisntfree_44

Ай бұрын

Yeah they look hefty