I have a Tormek T8 and tried to same some money and bought two Wen wet sharpeners for my tool sharpening business. When I turned both Wen's on it sounded like the were going to blow up. There were other problems so I sent them both back and bought another Tormek T8. I appreciated you taking the time to review a cheaper unit. I can say without a doubt you get what you pay for and there are no Tormek killers in my opinion.

Tip from a guy who found out the hard way: I never leave the stone in contact with water in less the wheel is turning, accidentally left it in to long, the stone was no longer round. So whenever I stop it, I lower the water tray. And that sharpie trick is good, however, you can use it while the stone is dry and machine is off. Just turn it a bit by hand, you’ll still se if the sharpie disappears.

@jaluver5955

4 жыл бұрын

i was going to buy one, thx for the advice. and is there more to know?

@ottohonkala6861

4 жыл бұрын

I did the same on a different wheel....Id empty the water and leave it on until dry.

@ottohonkala6861

4 жыл бұрын

(that ruined the wheel, permanently) - these are a little more expensive - so don't ruin them......

@Deusmecumest

4 жыл бұрын

Great tip. Thank you.

@scor440

4 жыл бұрын

It was still round just heavy one side where the water soaked in update i was a grinder using coolant for 25 yrs so i hope someone doesnt try to correct me because you will be wrong

The real test here is actually finding a phone book any more.

@Beachnative42

4 жыл бұрын

ROFL

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

I just got another one in the mail. Crazy 👍

@trubadyr99

4 жыл бұрын

Who cares about physical phone books anymore?

@FreeFarmPestControlUK

3 жыл бұрын

Argos catalogue bro 😎👍

@Camelotsmoon

3 жыл бұрын

I've asked that before. I'm like, where do these people find phone books anymore 😂

Man, I can't tell you how good it is to hear another knifemaker was frustrated with sharpening, because that's exactly how it is for me. I love the entire process and then I dread the sharpening because it frustrates the hell out of me. I'm getting decent results with paper wheels now, but I'm going to keep an eye on these in the future.,

I had to run my machine with a wheel dressing tool clamped for a long time to true the stone. Makes a huge difference

Your intro - with its montage and upbeat music - sums up pretty much how I feel when I’m heading to the workshop.

Tormek accessories work great. There is the WM-200 angle gauge to determine your angle and the stone setter which allows you to freshen the stone or use the fine side to get a finer finish for finer work. Red Beard Ops did a review on the WEN sharpener version and he showed a few great accessories as well as a knife clamp modification that you may find interesting.

I started with sharpening before I got into making knives. I’ve used my edge pro for many years and love the system. No heat worries but kinda difficult to start a brand new edge on a new knife without say breaking the 90’s on my grinder. Have done it without but too much work and stone wear. The tool clamp that came with your machine looks like it would be good for clamping chisels. 👍

Cheers Jeremy. I bought a similar one today after seeing this last night. I take all my bushcraft and hunting knives to 800g on waterstones before stropping, but as you know, it's a real ball ache if you're doing a batch and establishing that secondary bevel. I'm hoping I can just whip off some material before taking it to the hand stones. Thanks again, you may have just saved me a full day a week. Literally.

I picked one of these up on my way home! Excited to try it out!

A very handy machine, I would like one for my wood working tools as well as knives. Tool Time Tuesdays are good too, keep 'em coming when you can.

I have been using a knockoff tormek for some years now and it works fine for my chisels and knives at home. I still keep my stones around for a quick touch up though. For 120 euro I have no regrets buying it.

Great timing, I was just talking about this with a friend to sharpen scissors, currently using an edge pro with a home made scissors guide, but I’ve got to do like 10 pairs per week and quickly putting a toothy edge on consistently would be a great time saver

@13:06 FYI - The way to use the strop to get both sides if you're doing more than a 6" blade is to reverse the direction of the spin and just stand on the other side. That way the handle is again on the outside of the spindle and it's not rotating toward you.

@dragunov525

2 жыл бұрын

Came to comments to say this.

@fiddlestickzmuzik

Жыл бұрын

@@dragunov525 lol me too..

I've used the Tormek sharpener, mostly on scissors, would sharpen scissors shaving sharp, was tougher to do knives, there is a small learning curve, but the unit works wonderfully!

I'm a beginning knife maker, and I have a Tormek t4 and the Japanese wheel. It has upped my game and makes short work of sharpening

@karilappalainen4814

4 жыл бұрын

Diamonds and t4 30min/h t8 no time limits

Dude, loved the instructional approach

I got one those Maximum sharpeners myself on sale at Canadian Tire and I like it. I have used it for sharpening chisels and plane blades and it does a fine job. I go to diamond stones and water stones to put the final edge on the better chisels, but the machine does a great job on the primary bevel and reprofiling. I can't afford a Tormek, so I'm very happy with this purchase. Had it a couple of months now. The big trick is getting the angle right with the guide and keeping the edge square across the blade, especially important on the plane blades. Still learning. Haven't done a knife or scissors with it yet, but that's coming. One suggestion: drop a couple of small magnets in the water reservoir to gather the metal waste so it doesn't build up on the wheel (probably is more of an issue with chisels and planes blades because you are removing more metal, unless you are reprofiling a knife shape). It is said that you can dress the wheel to get it to a finer grit. Gonna check into doing that.

I suspect that the Tormek grading stone would be available as a separate accessory purchase. This would give you a second grit on the main stone.

I've been using a Tormek T-7 for several years and I'm very pleased with it's functionality and the sharpening outcomes. However, the big problem with wet grinders in general is the cumulative time it takes to sharpen a single knife (setup, sharpen, breakdown, cleanup). There's nothing quick about it. If you're sharpening several knives it's likely worth the time, but if you're sharpening only one or two you'll be happier using something else (like a belt grinder). It all comes down to personal preference and the time you wish to invest, but I'll just say that I like wet grinders...sometimes.

the Tormek angle guide plate jig thing is cool , it adjusts as the stone wears out...

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

That is cool 👍

Hey I have one of these knock-offs (The WEN model which I did a review on)! They're decent. Thanks for putting this out there. The Tormek Dressing tool is a must have for these to true up those wheels. I also modified the jig to work better with aggressive drop point knives. I will say it can be hard to sharpen knives without a sharpening choil... without messing up the plunges.

@e.t.preppin7084

4 жыл бұрын

Red Beard Ops I just mentioned to Jeremy he needs to check out your video on your Wen but I forgot to use your new channel name 😂. I really want to duplicate your set up. I’ll probably still finish up with my edge pro but maybe not always.

@RedBeardOps

4 жыл бұрын

@@e.t.preppin7084 Lol, Jeremy's stuff rocks! I'm happy he tried out that model. I still use the modified jig, but I have ditched the laser guide for most of my sharpening. I find that's it hasn't been necessary with a little practice.

@jamesfair9751

Жыл бұрын

I know this is old but I’m looking to get one of these. I also thought about the knives without a choil. I assume the actual tormek would be the same. Also what did you do to the jig to make it better. I’m going to try and find your video but if you have any other input it would be appreciated.

I am an above average wood carver and i have/use one o these. I love it for shape grinding my chisels. I use a hard felt wheel for strop surgical shine final sharpening. FOr 170 bucks u cant go wrong. I love mine. Defn not tormek but doesnt break your bank account!

Really good review. Thanks for sharing.

Excellent presentation. Very helpful. Thank you.

13:20.. 6" isnt the max length.. you can reverse it and strop on the other side

@DonylynKnives

4 жыл бұрын

Came down here to say this 😂

@sunship2

4 жыл бұрын

Exact my thought...

@ryanedwardking

4 жыл бұрын

Same.

@johnearley9816

4 жыл бұрын

Likewise

@joshevans3452

4 жыл бұрын

Yep

Good video! I'm always learning something new. I bought a tormek t8 and yes it was a pretty penny and hard to swallow the cost but what a machine!!! Probably never get my money back in my lifetime but don't care as I never have a full know again and only takes a few minutes not hours.

The people who complain about the heat changing the temper are knife nerds. We have them in every industry. Thank goodness because we need them.

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

I agree one hundred % 👍

I purchased the sheppach one,which comes with the knife jig, and the other jig you got was definitely for chisels and plane blades,but it doesn’t have the two way switch,which is very cool👍🏻but great machines all round

Use a standard leather stropping pad with green compound after the machine strop, it just finishes an edge off nicely (10 year Tormek T7 pro sharpener here in Scotland)

Fascinating review. I know nothing about this system but from what I observed, the clamp system that came with your unit would work if you'd mount the bar on the other side (horizontally instead of the default vertically that you were using)

I have been thinking about these for awhile. I think I'll shell out some bucks for one. Thanks!

Found a video on this thing at last. Thought it was just me.the clamp may be good for a chisel but sucks for a knife lol. Thanks for posting.

i run it the other direction. i also work from the other side. you can then move that guide bar to the front when your done establishing a burr and use it for a guide while stroping. I've been using this type of sharpener since 2009. mine is made by JET (discontinued item) I have three of them.

A tip from my time using a Tormek (second to none) for matching an angle, instead of checking it under power you can just turn the stone by hand to see if it i removing the sharpie mark. Less likely to facet your edge.

@willb3698

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! I use a sharpie all the time for filling Frets on Instruments like Guitars, enables us to see the high vs low frets. BUT I would not have considered what you suggest.

@coleyounger4060

3 жыл бұрын

Wen puts the Tormek in the shade

The Tormek accessories are great for the cheaper slow speed sharpeners. I use the Tormek one for planes and chisels.

Tormek has had multiple iterations of the same style sharpener over the years. They have 8" & 10" models (although Tormek uses the metric system, so it's 200mm & 250mm respectively). They are awesome. I would bet any company producing a sharpener "influenced" by Tormek's design, would use the same shaft diameter to allow them to use Tormek wheels, if not they're dumb. Tormek has an awesome assortment of wheels, but prepare yourself self for "sticker shock" some cost almost as much as the damn machine. The one I would be "eyeing" is the Japanese water stone, I think it's rated at 4000 grit! If that doesn't "float-your-boat" they also have diamond wheels in coarse/fine/ultra fine, if I remember correctly the "ultra fine" diamond wheel is rated at 1200 grit, which I'm sure would also make an incredible edge. But again, the Japanese wheel is where it's at! I would love to see you review that someday.

Useful vid! Thanks

I have the Wen. It’s a good little system. I press diamond grit stones on the main wheel to adjust the grit of the main wheel up to 1000 grit. I also change the strop wheel for 3 different pastes.

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

Oh sweet, thank you for that info 👍

@alalston4252

4 жыл бұрын

Have the same one when also does a set of jigs with the long jig and short jig as well as another one or two I think for scissors or something for around $50

@ttonAb2

4 жыл бұрын

how does pressing diamond grit stones on the main wheel adjust the grit?

@alalston4252

4 жыл бұрын

@@ttonAb2 the dressing Stone re profiles the surface to finer or more course

@walte99

4 жыл бұрын

@@ttonAb2 I have the Grizzly version and it comes with a stone that has a coarse side and fine side and is supposed to dress the stone as such. Seems odd to me too but it works. I doubt you could get it to 1000 with a diamond stone though.

Jeremy! Some of these videos you’ve done lately, I swear it’s like you can read my mind and already know what I wanna see. Lol! I’ve seen these things all over the place as well, but haven’t seen one in action. Thanks for the tip on using that Tormek clamp.

@davekatzzz

2 жыл бұрын

נפפפ וןיפ⁹פ

You could make up an MDF wheel and apply a piece of leather to it. You could make it the same diameter of the grinder to increase the blade length capacity.

I had use of a Tormek for a while. It is a good machine; however, quite expensive. I will consider this one. I am proficient in straight stone and strop sharpening, so it would be an 'add on' for me.

Absolutely spectacular editing! It's been a great pleasure seeing the content become even better over time. Big fan and always looking forward to the next video. Also that clamp looks like it might be better suited to sharpening chisels maybe.

@BillyJoeJimBob55

3 жыл бұрын

It is a chisel clamp

I do a lot of sharping with my princess-auto version, and I found in between the grinding wheel and the hone take your edge and run it with the grain of some hard wood. It helps with the burr and makes the process a lot quicker and works better in my experience. also the Tormek dressing tool is a must have. I really like the videos though keep it up!

I'm glad that you heard me when I said "button that sleeve". Thanks for a nice video Jeremy...

I like your video, good basic instructions. I have Tormeks first sharpening system called super grind it came out in 2000. Well back in 2016 we flooded in Baton Rouge so my tormek went under, I just got it going again after cleaning it and oiling the motor for a week (motor shaft was rusted in place) it started running. Saved $300.00 for new motor. What you have is identical to tormeks. There is not much to them except the tool holders.

Thanks, I have been thinking of getting one of these myself. They go on sale here in Olds quite often. I do wonder, maybe try your paper sharpening disk on this tool. If possible swap out the strop wheel and put the paper wheel on. Of course, it would sharpen more slowly but the slower speed would also create less heat, I assume.

I had trouble sharpening knives for ever. I used stones but it took me long to get it right. I ordered an 80$ belt sander on amazon. with 15$ worth of belts up to 1000 grit. Also a leather belt off of etsy. Best money I ever spent. 5-10 minutes and a knife is a razor.

As a Tormek owner this was interesting to watch, I have no regrets in my investment I just wish the accessories were more reasonably priced. But the most distracting thing in the video is that I’m not getting enough of a view of the bicycle hanging in the background to identify it.

❤❤❤❤❤❤😮This machine is very beautiful and effortless

While in a machine shop class (community college) we had to cut the sleeves off of our coveralls so that they came no lower than our elbows. Rotary equipment you shouldn't have long sleeves.

I use to make knives, for only few month, and sharpening is always and still a mission.... It makes me seriously think to get one of those bad boys. A big thanks for this useful and accurate test video. Best regards from France my friend.

@laurentnadalknives8170

4 жыл бұрын

And the thing you don't think you can sharpen a knife with, it is for chisels :)

as a home cook (not a knife maker), a cheap belt sander with 1000 and 5000 grit belts and angle guide are doing sharpening job good enough. After a couple of passes on each side with each belt (total of 4 passes on each side), bevel is usually not even warm. And belt sander is very versatile tool for home project. As a knife maker.........I guess dedicated sharpening tool like this or Tormek is better option than all-around belt sander. I was curious how these knock off would work so thanks for the info!

Always down to watch am in depth sharpening video.

Very nice job I really want one

Canadian pesos huh? That’s the language of the empire of dirt if I’m not mistaken.

@esmithiii2003

4 жыл бұрын

The angle of the dangle...

@ronkennedy213

4 жыл бұрын

Ave rules. All bow down in his presence. And the young chickadee.

@aspincelaframboise5300

4 жыл бұрын

It's Canuckistan eh... Ü

@nateuerdaz8038

4 жыл бұрын

But...does she chooch?

@VolvoGonzo

4 жыл бұрын

Chinesium

Placement on the stone determines the bevel angle of the edge, the rest of the adjustments determine the plane of the edge. The Tormek gauge takes into account both. When its correct you feel like you are cutting off a lobe of the wheel. Everyone references the Tormek, by the time you start buying everything to make it a better you could have bought a Tormek with a 7 year warranty. They are expensive but if you use them professionally, not as much as your time or using dull tools.

The Problem with puting a tormek wheel on this grinder - if you do that, you can buy a tormek as well. Because what makes the tormek that expensive are the wheel. If i would buy the high quality wheel i would probably do the same with the grinder. Very nice video, thanks!

I mentioned this on the Old instagram there, that I love this machine for setting an edge on a new knife because it’s water cooled, and then from this machine onto a 400G stone/ then strop (higher progression for kitchen knives). I struggled with sharpening - like most - and now I am finally getting there👍. I have my machine on a crudely built swivel top also, so I can quickly spin the machine around. Great vid as always Jer👍👊

@walte99

4 жыл бұрын

To me, setting the initial edge is why mine sits in a corner. It takes toooooo long! Now setting the edge with a 120 and then going to this is worth trying.

@griffithshandmade-knives

4 жыл бұрын

Walt Edwards Walt, that doesn’t bother me, at about between 10000’ths and 5000ths on the edge after heat treat it puts it on just fine, I don’t seem to notice it taking too long.

Interesting thanks. If ever get the space like the idea of a few with different grits. You could also have different strop compounds so start at the beginning again and run through the strops especially for people that like a polished edges 👍

I bet you can get an angle gauge from Tormek. It no only lets you know what angle you’re at but also compensates for the two different wheel diameters! I love mine and use it every time I sharpen.

It is good to have a consistent apex/sharpening in your knives either you are a beginner or not. I think that these machines give you a repeatable standard cutting edge. even if not a pro machine it is good to give a good edge for your customers.

I have a Tormek that I paid around $900 for with all the attachments. Its an awesome machine and has paid for itself may times over. ( i had a sharpening business for many years) If this is only around $200 its well worth the price. Tormek did give me lifetime replacement on the wheel though.

@jessepatch9076

Жыл бұрын

you owned a shit sharpening business

That's a slick gadget ya got there.

Make a leather belt for your grinder. I love the one I made. feather in the joint and use contact cement

You need to look into more TORMEK accessories.

I had my eye on a new tormek, but because of buget i went for the king canada. It is exactly like the one you have. I used a 1/2" x13 die on the rods for the knife holder. The Tormek has a thread on theirs.That way its easier to adjust the knife angle. If i was smart i would have uesd a finer thread's on mine. It's a bit of a learning curve, but it works.

I enjoyed that!

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed your comment. Thank you 👍

Hi Jeremy. I bought the Wen, it came with 2 knife holders one big and one small, like the one you paid 40 dollars for. It also came with the knife holder you can't figure out how it holds a knife because that one is for an axe. When running the 10" 220 wheel I found out that you should run it in reverse so the water goes up into the blade. Its also good to put a magnet in the water tank. The Wen came with a plastic angel gage that has lots of different angles, works good. I have a video on it you can check out. I got to warn you I'm not as good as you on making videos. I just do it for fun. Keep up the great work. You are very good.

Your explanation is very good

@Simplelittlelife

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words👍

Thanks for a very informative video.

@Simplelittlelife

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching! 👍

Good Stuff Mister...

Thank you.

I sharpen a lot of knives, with a 1"×30", usually 650 then 800 1300 to 2000 grit belts. I have the paper wheel grinder too, but the belts work fine for me. I'm firmly in the Whatever Works for You camp.

What method would you use to sharpen a billhook chopper ? I struggle getting it just right

SALUDOS DESDE PERU, SOY COCINERO Y ME GUSTO TU VIDEO, ES MUY ISTRUCTIVO.

Looks like a good machine, I'd buy one but I already have a Tormek T4. Trouble with genuine Tormek jigs is the cost but with a bit of thinker and tinker it's not hard to make your own. The Tormek wheel is dressable in 2 grits, 200 and 800 I think but at that price seperate machines for different grits would be nice. One day I'd like to try making a low speed wet belt grinder, might be interesting.

I have t8 and all jigs for it I'm really pleased with it main reason for buying it was my woodworking chisels and kitchen knifes. Olso I got drill bit jig . Really happy with it . Now I can buy used drill bits next to nothing and have them better then when they where new. Because of double bevel. Buying tormek is not cheap you must be quality obsessed like me or justify your spending.

Just purchased a tormek t4 with 3 knife jigs and a stone planer. It never even crossed my mind to go with a budget option.

@Simplelittlelife

3 жыл бұрын

Ultimately, I’m pretty sure you’re better off with your purchase. I have zero experience with the Tormek but I really do want to try one someday. This one works good, but I question it’s longevity. From everything I’ve heard about the Tormek, it’s a tool that will last for years and years. I would buy a Tormek if I hadn’t already had thousands of dollars in other sharpening systems.

@shawnlavigne9069

3 жыл бұрын

@@Simplelittlelife my thoughts are the same, also the tormek comes will alot of well made useful jigs.

There is a dressing stone that will allow you to use that wheel at a higher grit. I think you should be able to use the Tormek one as well.

Have you considered buying a real Tormek? Yeah they are expensive but they have addressed just about every issue you bring up in this video, and are just a genuinely good experience to use. Like having the water trough depth adjust, a default two grit stone, a decently reliable angle gauge, less clearance issues, ect... I got my T8 last year, and now use it for most of my sharpening, I only use my Wicked Edge for super fine polishing now. I got the Hand Tools package and have found some of the jigs super useful, I did not know how much my belt sander axe edges were lacking until I sharpened one on the Tormek with the ax jig. And the extra long knife jig is great for mounting really large chopping knives, even FFG ones. Also on the Tormek you can take the stone or strop off really fast with no tools to give you all the clearance you need for long blades. I very highly recommend the real Tormek.

@allanpennington

4 жыл бұрын

Does the Tormek still use a friction drive onto the strop wheel. These knock offs mostly have a bevel gear in the housing, usually one steel and the other nylon.

@randomguy3281

4 жыл бұрын

allanpennington There is a rubber wheel under the the strop wheel that is the friction drive train. It supplies a lot of force, I’ve yet to run into a situation where I don’t have all the power I want.

@1pcfred

4 жыл бұрын

@@randomguy3281 you'll run into a problem when the rubber hardens up. Everyone always does. It's a crap design. Although Tormek does use stainless steel shafting. These knocks offs don't. So the shaft rusts in the knock offs. Least it is what I've heard.

If you can only have one for sharpening, would it be this or the mdf wheel system with slow speed grinder?

its funny the add just before this video was a tormek video.. lol lol lol .. nice video ... Martin

Maybe it's already mentioned but you can use a stone grader to get that stone finer.

Piece of advice for sharpening axes, free hand it. These stones can create a concave or hollow grind on your edge of you're not careful or using a jig which is NOT what you want in any kind of axe. Also you can get the tormek angle gauge for like $20 and it is well worth it for doing precise sharpening

Remember to re-mark the bevel after checking. Otherwise you could take the mark off the edge on one test and off the back of the bevel on the next and not end up right on the bevel.

The Tormek grading stone will temporarily make that 220 stone into a 400 or some claim, 800 for finer polishing. I don’t actually know the grit, but I know it works. They have a video out....you might want to check it out.

Awesome video and review I’ve been eyeing this up for some time and this is sure helping me make up my mind. On another note it’s good to see a fellow Alberta KZreadr I started my channel about 3 months ago on EDC items and I’m just down the road in Lethbridge. Thanks for the info new sub buddy.

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

Right on! Thank you 👍

I use mine to get my rough primary bevel established and then go to my 600/1200 DMT stone and finish with sharpton 8000 and strop.

As FanteFinn mentioned it's a good idea to not leave the wheel standing still in water because it looses its roundness. A difference i could see between that one in the video and the t-8 is that there is no micro adjustment for the arms height which i find very useful. Don't know if that little adjustment is worth several hundred bucks though. =)

@IamDoogy

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that you shouldn't let the wheel stand and water. Thanks. I wonder if the micro adjustable support arm is another Tormec accessory that it would be worthwhile buying, assuming it would fit.

Very satisfied with this product

accessories are widley available on aliexpress for a lot less money than tormek stuff, just have to wait for longer for delivery. To UK it takes about 3 to 4 weeks

There are imitations and there is Tormek. The Tormek when is gradable from 220 to 1000, and the honing wheel is around 4000 using the compound. The imitations wheels are a single grit, meaning there's a MASSIVE jump from 220 to 4000. The three steps for the Tormek is more even steps. The cheaper ones are okay, the Tormek is best.

I have one of these, and to answer a few of your questions: 1- If you're looking for a stone, check out Tornado stones, They will fit and are cheaper. 2- Most of Tormek accessories will fit 3- Little tip I did - On the bar closest to the stone, I ran a tap the entire length, and just leave it on, that allows me to do a fine tune of height adjustment.

good demonstration etc. Will the Tormek wheels fit the Detroit Sharpener

Nice review. I think that for resharpening, it would be quicker to just use diamond plates and strop.

Does this come with a stone dresser? Also could you take a two sided flat stone and change the course grit to finer like you can on the tormek?

For sharpening knives in bad condition I use my 1x42 belt grinder with a 220 silicone carbide wet-dry belt. I dampen the belt with a sponge and grind the edge bevel with no heat build up. I clamp a guard on so the water doesn't hit me in the face from the top. Wipe out the mess in my grinder, not much to do there as sharpening doesn't make a big mess. Wet grinding gem stones makes a mess though. Then I finish sharpening by hand with a diamond hone and strop with 5,000 grit diamond paste on leather.

Great info, thx. They build them two hours by car west from me here in Stockholm in Sweden.

@gregparrott

2 жыл бұрын

I visited Stockholm a few weeks after Chernobyl accident (April, 1986). It was a joy being there. I stayed at a hostel that was an ancient, masted warship, moored to a deck in the harbor. Do you know the ship's name and/or history?. Also, is it still present in Stockholm? P.S. A waiter in Stockholm humored me about Chernobyl by asking me if I knew how to make 'Chicken Kiev' ANSWER: First, you preheat the city to 350 degrees.

This seems like it might be a decent option for the home gamer

@Simplelittlelife

4 жыл бұрын

That’s kind of what I’m thinking 👍