Titanic's near collision with SS New York was omitted from James Cameron's 1997 movie Titanic--do you wish that scene was included in the movie?

@cyruz6756

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@Maritime_History

2 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't fit in with the Jack and Rose love story. Besides the movie was getting so long that Cameron had to delete so many scenes like the Californian one or the Marconi one.

@Shiv..ar..Shakti

2 жыл бұрын

That should hv been included...however Cameron focussed more on the love story rather than the events that followed on the ship

@adamhauskins6407

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@simplystreeptacular

2 жыл бұрын

I wish it had been, but from a storytelling perspective I understand why it wasn't.

Fun fact: The Nomadic still exists to this day. It was preserved and is a museum ship now, the last White Star ship there is.

@michaelbujaki2462

Жыл бұрын

And it's also a guide for White Star Line colours.

@Brock_Landers

Жыл бұрын

I have ALWAYS wanted to see the Nomadic and wonder what it must've been like for passengers bound for Titanic to travel out into Cherboug harbor onboard her.

@diegosilang4823

11 ай бұрын

Ironically, Britannic and Titanic physically exist underwater, while Olympic had ceased to exists and it had been thrown into recycling bin except for surviving interior panels and furnishing.

@Where_is-it

2 ай бұрын

@@diegosilang4823there is also that piece that was added in the 1919 refit

You gotta feel sorry for anyone who thought "Phew that was a close call, should be clear sailing from here."

@gamingwithmatt9561

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean? I think it went *Swimmingly*

@Firemarioflower

4 ай бұрын

You evil man @@gamingwithmatt9561

@Firemarioflower

4 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure that a few off them had doubts. A small number of people saw it as bad omen and got off in Cherbourg

I love your videos because I get to see photos I have never seen before. I've seen many photos of the New York collision, but never the aftermath where New York was moved to the end of the dock. That photo of Nomadic heading out to Olympic is new to me as well. Thank you for showing these!

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

I really like that photograph of Nomadic heading toward Olympic. It almost looks like a photo intended to be used for promotional/advertising materials.

@Shiv..ar..Shakti

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove yes bro...in ur videos we can get to see pics of such liners which are not easily found over the net

@Firemarioflower

4 ай бұрын

Is that this one 8:20 ? @@TheGreatBigMove

Did you hear about the Endurance shipwreck? The wreck was found today and it is in very good condition.

@wallacealex4638

2 жыл бұрын

just read about that, super cool!

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I did. The footage was incredible.

@AndyHappyGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that the ship that went with another one to the artic and both ships messed up and everyone died?

@divitiae

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyHappyGuy that was the Franklin expedition, Erebus and Terror. The Endurance is off Antarctica and miraculously the crew survived

@AndyHappyGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@divitiae ah ok

finally people start talking about the near collision the thing that most movies and documentaries choose to ignore

i was inspired by your olympic video and made a similar one about a ferry here in New Zealand called Arahura. I love your content all your videos are so in depth and i love learning about ocean liners.

This event at Southampton is a very weird one to me. I know about it and I've heard about it many times, but I always keep forgetting about it, almost as if it never happened. It's not that the whole thing was too absurd or something, it just feels so disconnected to the actual tragedy that happened just 4 days later.

@musicfan5921

2 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean, can be that every movie omitted it, and that it seems irrelevant since it's overshadowed by the tragedy that did happen maybe? Just my guess

@AndyHappyGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@musicfan5921 maybe

@AndyHappyGuy

Жыл бұрын

@Arie death I dont see what you mean

I have never heard of any "lost" footage filmed from the decks of Titanic during the time of the near collision with the SS New York and Oceanic. I have never heard any Titanic enthusiast or historian mention this until this video. There's no mention of any filmed and lost footage taken onboard or of Titanic except the famous film at Belfast in Feb 1912 during the late stages of fitting out on the Paul Lee Titanic resource, so I'm assuming someone has got their wrongs, but I could be right. Nothing I've seen mention of this film on Encyclopedia Titanica either.

Great description

Great to the point narration and loads of information. James should do a directors cut of t he movie with the deleted scenes put back in, I would like to see more of the engine room, generating room and what the crew was doing below deck to help slow the sinking. Thanks to The Great Big Move for another fine watch......

Someone recorded the New York incident on film and was lost?!?! I had no idea!! What else could be in that film? 🤔🤔🤔

@PsPuNkS

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely could've filmed during the sinking admits the chaos so those myths of Titanic having lost footage onboard could have been possibly true just impossible to recover now...

@justina249

Жыл бұрын

Non existent by now. I'm sure the salt water ate it up in a hurry when it went down

The New York incident is strangely omitted from most Titanic media

cant wait!

@cyruz6756

2 жыл бұрын

YO HE LIKED MY COMMENT

Amazing video! Thank you for the upload!

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Dan!

A fascinating look. I had no idea there was a motion camera on the ship. I wish that could turn up somewhere other than the ocean floor. A funny coincidence with Gracie and Strauss.

Wow! I had no idea that someone got the entire SS New York incident on film! It really makes me wonder what other lost footage there might be.

This event is interesting cant wait what i would say that this proves that big ships should not stay close to smaller ships

Great channel!!

Another fantastic video! I always learn something new in each of videos! :)

That photo reel and narrative was great tyvm

Wish I could have got this good details for my documentary. Nice work!

this vidio is actully underated

Superb video! It was a captivationg story.

I really loved that video and again I love all your videos I hope you make more history videos

I have watching some of your video this week everyday, and all of that are amazing!!! Greeting from Indonesia 😊😊

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

So glad that both ships avoided collision

Fun Fact: The American TV Cut of the 1979 film: *"S.O.S. TITANIC"* has a scene where Chief Officer Henry T. Wilde mentioned the near-collision in a letter to his sister. Plus, the original script to *"TITANIC",* the 1996 miniseries (envisioned to be 4 hours long) by Ross LaManna - the creator of *"Rush Hour"* - was to show the near-collision. Sadly, this and several historical characters (including Titanic's designer Thomas Andrews and the Goodwin Family in Third Class) were all omitted in the revised & condensed script by Joyce Eliason.

It’s like that one even you forget about because it’s so disconnected to the tragedy

To think this near miss might've saved the liner and the 2,200 souls onboard from a cruel fate.

Brilliant !! Really enjoyed that..thank you

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@TheBig50pCollection

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGreatBigMove im obsessed with Titanic and your films are exceptional 👌

1:32 I thought ide seen every picture of Titanic until this comes out of no where amazing, out of all the books I have this was never in one of them

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

I find myself reviewing the same photographs repeatedly, so it’s always fun to find a photograph of a ship you haven’t seen before.

Whew! That was a close one!

Those 3 Stoker's that missed the Titanic were so lucky

Also, this near collision reminds me of when HMS Hawke was pulled into the Olympic and she was holed. It was once said that Olympic's keel was twisted by that collision, but she went on to have a long and illustrious career.

We owe so much to Father Browne, most of Titanic's voyage pictures are his. Thank goodness he didn't procede to cross the Atlantic with Titanic, as a rich couple suggested to pay for his travel to New York. So tragic.

Love the titanic reference at the end 😆

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone got it 🙂

"Nothing out ahead, but ocean." Well, I'm not sure about that.

SS New York (former City of New York as launched in 1888), is one of my favorite ships of the era. She wasn't big in 1912, smaller than the Oceanic, but she was beautiful for her time and she will always be beautiful in my opinion. In 1912 she was old and obsolete, but still served her original purpose. Edit: her true beauty isn't apparent in this video, you have to see the colorized photos and paintings of what she looked like she was originally put into service with a long bowsprit and beautiful lines.

Would love to hear about Olympics refits, and maybe even photos of these changes over her life. Could make for a good video.

Many of the photos you showed here, I have never seen.

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

I found a few during the making of this video that I hadn't seen either. It's always exciting to find a new photo of a ship you haven't seen before, especially when you spend so much time looking at the same photos repeatedly.

@Nowhereman10

2 жыл бұрын

Look up Father Francis Browne and the O'Dell family's photo collections. They're a treasure trove of "life on board the Titanic", the only ones we have and ever will have. Also look up Frank Beken an Irish pharmacist who took the last known photos of Titanic as she left Queenstown and headed out across the Atlantic.

I think SS City of New York and SS City of Paris were ones of the most beautiful ocean liners. And in terms of speed they were Lusitania and Mauretania of their time

Great research and video. Wish the New York would have collided with Titanic or the New york lines would have held. hen Titanic's maiden voyage would have been on time or delayed for weeks or months. Either way Titanic's collision with the iceberg may never have happened.

I can't help but feel that if Titanic was a little bit less fortunate here, she would've never hit the iceberg and sank, since it would have certainly meant that her maiden voyage would have been delayed, or even cancelled altogether until proper repairs could be made.

@thememers_dude

2 жыл бұрын

Destiny

Just love the ending, and perfect reverence to the 1997 movie.

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I couldn't resist.

Sad to say, but it would seem that Capt Edward Smith and George Bower were somewhat accident prone. Before this near miss they were also in command when the RMS Olympic collided with HMS Hawke about 8 months earlier.😕 Ironically the ship repairs required on the Olympic meant that the Titanic build and launch was delayed too, meaning that as it traversed the Atlantic to New York on it's maiden voyage the Titanic was more likely to encounter icebergs on its journey in mid April than sailing across the Atlantic in March. ☹️

SS New York was already 24 years old at the time, and would ironically outlive the Titanic by another 11 years. She was originally built for the Inman Line in 1888, and had both a double bottom AND watertight compartments WHEN NEW. Also, many historians and engineers agree that her compartments were a superior design to the Titanic's, IN 1888! Someone should have taken notes...

You forgot the incident at Queenstown with the stoker looking from the 4th funnel and people thinking it's a bad omen.

The two men that were stopped by the train were actually lucky not to go on Titanic that would sink four days later.

A couple of pointers. On a ship, the order is to take in the mooring lines. Second point - while it could be considered a hawsepipe as it would have been used for the third anchor that was stowed on the forecastle, it was also their centerline chock, also known as the "bull nose."

@Babararoot55

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Eric

I like your videos your information is perfect and excellent but umm I gotta go have a nice day umm what's your real name?

Seems to me if the Titanic wasn’t speeding through the ocean to make headlines in NY to be day early, many near collisions and running into ice bergs wouldn’t have happened?! Corporate at its best

The New York wasn't a near miss, it was a near hit. Titanic's near miss actually happened on April 14th. They nearly missed, but not quite.

New York was a fan of Titanic and wanted to get her autograph

5:23 that was the moment… I realized something new. Someone actually shot film of the near collision from the decks of Titanic?!

@RiquelmeJR813

Жыл бұрын

Que colisão? É um rebocador levando o titanic pra alto mar!

video idea the story of the tayluer i will get you started it was a wooden ship that had sails and it sank on it's maiden voyage

Not to be that guy that evokes George Carlin but… “Near miss? It’s a near hit! A collision is a near miss!”

@TheGreatBigMove

Жыл бұрын

Ha no worries, I like George Carlin

Silent has a long O sound like SEW LENT

Just think, if New York HAD collided with Titanic, then Titanic might’ve never struck the iceberg and lived a long career like Olympic.

I never before saw picture at 2:39-is it real?

@TheGreatBigMove

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I know, it is real.

Just wish the film survived from the sinking

Gripping!

@Babararoot55

2 жыл бұрын

Yep 👍🏻 😎🥰

ok but Lawrence Beesley tho 😳🤭

Events like this fuel my belief in fate

I'm back. Turns out that I don't really have anything else to say that I didn't say last time. The Olympic-class liners, with their tremendous size and strength, really were like the myths (and empire in the case of Britannic) their names were inspired by, and in Titanic's case, it almost cost her before she even entered the river. All of this and more, you cannot tell me that the disaster to follow was not a predestined act of God.

@jcd3869

Жыл бұрын

Yes I can. The disaster to follow was not a predestined act of god.

It was called the city of New York, not New York

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

the name was changed at some point, as well as the exclusion of one of the ship’s 3 funnels

This should’ve caused an accident. Titanic gets delayed, thus iceberg might’ve drifted from Titanic’s route. ( but I suppose that means the Lusitania / Britannic disaster might be worse )

@DerpyPossum

2 жыл бұрын

technically all ship disasters would’ve been worse

What if Titanic hit SS New York and it delayed its voyage for like lets say 2 Weeks and it never hit the iceberg and the voyage would be successful and then Maybe britannic could be still Sailing.

@d3v_r3tr06

2 жыл бұрын

Ok just to say this

@d3v_r3tr06

2 жыл бұрын

i just thought of it

@d3v_r3tr06

2 жыл бұрын

and i dont know if that could be true if that happend.

@claasfanboy1314

2 жыл бұрын

how would brittanic be sailing if a titanic hit new york

The movie would have been a little longer if this was added in it would still be good to watch it every time I saw this movie as a kid and still watch it today

Ship was doomed from start.