I watched this entire video and I still want my 4x12.

@Wingsoficarus90

3 жыл бұрын

Same bro!!!

@johnnypatterson77

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I love my 4x12

@kangolrankin

3 жыл бұрын

4×12 all the way for me

@jeremebonesaw

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Fuck that. You lose low end with 4x12. Even my guitar friends that have had 2x12 always went back to 4x12's .

@digchevelle

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I have a recto 412 and recently bought a recto 212. Music is all about feel for me so the 212 is going back. The 412 pushes more air and resonates too well to ever put a 212 in the same sonic ballpark. As for the weight, I have arthritis in my back and still use Les Pauls and a solid birch oversized 412 cab and I've never once complained about the weight.

I literally see people get excited by my 4x12 coming into the venue in a time when everything is minimized. We're still cavemen at heart, go big

@pugforce8315

Жыл бұрын

exited? or scared lol

@NodakSavage

11 ай бұрын

@@pugforce8315 he said excited 🤦‍♂

@FFFRoS

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely.

@FFFRoS

9 ай бұрын

​@@pugforce8315both is good

@WillieStratton

3 ай бұрын

💯💯💯

Cause standing in front of 3 4x12 full stacks makes u look cool as fuck

@UnremarkableMarx

3 жыл бұрын

Haha your pfp is John!

@elixtido1448

2 жыл бұрын

No question, but 2 has done alright by me for about about 40 years now

@autk

2 жыл бұрын

Best sound I ever had was a full stack 812. No way I'm giving up my 412, OMDB. Lol.

@3vergiven

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck trying to play shows then. No sound guy will let you play.

@woundedmonk1884

15 күн бұрын

just get dummy cabs 👍

It’s about bass response and the dynamics, every cab has a different sound man, a 4x12 definitely sounds fuller

@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst

4 жыл бұрын

Correct!

@markr8326

4 жыл бұрын

Ah ,so the 412 has more bottom end yeah? Is that a significant amount more would you say? Thanks.

@jahanwatson2423

4 жыл бұрын

Mark R really depends on the cabs, there are some really nice 2x12s that have a full sound, but in my experience a 412 probably probably about 25% more bottom end

@markr8326

4 жыл бұрын

@@jahanwatson2423 Great, thank you!

@markr8326

4 жыл бұрын

PS. do you know which of the Marshall cabs have best speakers for bottom end ,412 or 212? I don't know much about differences in dynamics from Greenbacks to Celestion's or whatever else is available. Looking for good low end 412 cab. Thanks again.

Just ONE thing you're missing here: INSPIRATION. When I'm wailing on Blues at home in my studio, there is NOTHING like a massive wall of sound inspiring me to play my heart out.

@daniloalmeidadotcom

Жыл бұрын

sorry but.... HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH

Watching this video as I'm on the way to pick up my second 4x12

@gregcoomer1775

3 жыл бұрын

I gave up after the red frilled shirt.

@rodriguezc125

3 жыл бұрын

Watching this video after picking up a full stack 😅

@fostexfan160

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregcoomer1775 Lol.....them were the days!

@jrizzy93

Жыл бұрын

Just got my full stack setup today while watching this haha!!

@heyjarrod

2 ай бұрын

Me too! I got a Van Halen tribute band, so I want all the cabs. Gotta have cabs on stage to play Van Halen. 🤘🏻😝🎸🇺🇸

0:33. Video stopped, thanks for the heads up. Have a great day!

@paginini

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thats funny as hell

@HoustonT17

4 ай бұрын

Wish more videos would do this

I’ve always had issues with sound dispersion, cause I guess I’m one of the few guitarists that doesn’t want to crank up. This video actually made me want a 4x12. Thanks! 🤣

Plot twist: he is a bassist.

@ManBunMetalHead

4 жыл бұрын

Shit, you're on to me

@koihaiavailable

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManBunMetalHead 😂🤣

@konstantinzarkovic7567

3 жыл бұрын

8x10 goes brrrrrrrrrr

@davestoneband

3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha

@Tonguendchic

3 жыл бұрын

Wanna like but I dont wanna mess up the 69 likes

I thought the same thing so I built 2 - 2 x12 cabinets. And then I sold off the 5 - 4 x 12 cabinets that I had. I've been regretting it for a long time so I decided to build a 4 x 12. Nothing beats a wall of sound. 2 x 12's are good but they, in no way replace a 4 x 12. In my humble opinion 4 x 12 is the way to go.

Actually, the best sound is always two 1960B cabs side by side. The harmonics and clarity is insane, and it even means I can turn down my master vol and I still hear myself better

As a harmonica player, I just wish more guitarist would keep their guitars in tune.

@g.koch.

2 жыл бұрын

Especially Bedroom Gibson Strummers on KZread

@madrox4132

2 ай бұрын

@@g.koch. But I just tuned it 5 minutes ago, how is the g string already out of tune

4x12s have a more fuller sound. If a 2x12 had the same amount of resonance, then I might consider it.

But...we jus look sooo cool standing in front of a 4x12 on stage

@seanathonhooper

4 жыл бұрын

Just get a vertical 2x12 then lol

@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst

4 жыл бұрын

@@seanathonhooper Not even half as cool!

@josepcla

4 жыл бұрын

You must be a pussy if you play with only one 4x12...

@JohnvanCapel

3 жыл бұрын

There's dummy/empty 4×12 cabs you can get with no speakers in them. Or just buy a cheap cabinet, yank the speakers out, put some fake cones in there for visual effect. You'd be surprised how many rock bands do that - just hook the amp up to some dinky little 1×12 cab hidden somewhere the audience can't see it, mic that up to go into the PA, put the amp on an empty or dummy-loaded 412 for visual effect.

@tonyme7426

3 жыл бұрын

@@josepcla That was my thought also.

Everyone know a cabinet with 12, 2 inch speakers is the way to go 12X2 FTW

@cardbored_

3 жыл бұрын

Fk yeah, nothing beats two 12x2 stacks!

@bobbyjones-uv5cn

2 жыл бұрын

#tweeterlife

@darrylvillamor5927

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you're playing arenas. Then you GOTTA have that full 48x2 stack.

@Powermad-bu4em

Жыл бұрын

At 2 ohms. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

4x12 days are over. I'm in my late 50's and don't need to carry a 4x12. I bought a Marshall 2536 2x12,it's the Silver Jubilee cab, 2 Vintage 30's, made of Birch Plywood, it's huge but not huge enough that i can't carry it and fit it into my trunk of my car. I could not get a 4x12 in the trunk of my car let alone lift it into the trunk without F-ing up my back. But this 2536 cabinet has lots of balls and low end. . And who ever you play out to live will NEVER notice the difference. Audiences have no clue. All they want it to have fun and drink.

@1sttvbn

2 ай бұрын

You already gave up?

I love my 4x12. I’ll never give her up. I’ll ADD a 2x12 with unique voicing to my rig so I’ll have the option for whatever suits my mood. Shoot, I have 11 acres and I’m going to enjoy cranking my rig up to 11 in the barn whenever I want to without being sorry.

@ericorozco4017

Жыл бұрын

Having a lot of power on acreage is my favorite memory as a teenager. 5.5 acres here in California. Blasting away in the barn. Fcken loved it!!!

The thing about it is, even tho the power is evenly distributed, because of the number of speakers the sound coming out the two cabs are remarkably different. The 4x12 delivers a better QUALITY of sound than the 2x12. 🙂

2 months ago I did a deep spring cleaning and sold a boatload of my guitar gear that I don't use much. As a matter of fact one of those items was my Peavey 6505 412 cab. I was glad to regain the space in my man-cave. Just the other day I see an almost new AMPEG 412 cab for sale and it really tempted me to buy it. THANK YOU for reminding me why I sold my previous 412 cab in the first place!! ... My wife thanks you too :)

I absolutely agree, i used to use an Orange 4x12 and an Orange OR30, but after a while i got tired of all these issues. Now i use a Harley Benton vertical 2x12 with vintage 30s and an Orange CR120 head, and it saved my back, and my bandmates haven't complained about anything.

What you said makes sense. I have lugged a 412 with a head for many years. I found a set of ADA 212's with celestions that sound great on stage and MUCH easier to carry. But, the wall in the studio is still full of 412's, so when some sterilization is needed anyone can plug in and melt. But they don't move anymore...

I have a thought for those who own a 4x12... remove the two lower speakers in a 4x12 and keep them as backups, screw in some thin ply wood inside to cover the 2 speaker holes and now you a lighter and still cool looking angled but larger 2x12 and you don't need to buy an angled cab stand.

This dude with a man bun is sole reason I went out to buy two 4×12 240w cabinets, 1992 peavey 5150 120w amp, Orange Rockerverb mkiii III 100, Orange Super Crush 100watt. 😂😂😂

Seems like 4x12 is awesome. Just a car trunk size and muscles problem apparently 😬 Im considering to buy a marshall sv20 studio vintage head but im really not sure what cabinet to buy yet. Open or closed, 1 speaker or 2 or 4. Any tips? Im aiming for a hendrix sound/tone.

No. lol. To each their own. You're correct about the volume issue. But, I have never played a 2x12 that has the same feel as a 4x12. They're just pushing more air. The Orange PPC212 gets close but still not quite the same.

@ManBunMetalHead

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I'm not trying to convince everyone to switch to a 2x12 but rather let them know it is a viable option.

@timishormusic5526

4 жыл бұрын

@@ManBunMetalHead well... then why the video title is "Time to ditch that 4x12 cabinet" and not "4x12 cabinet alternatives" ?:)))

@JB-xz6dt

4 жыл бұрын

@@timishormusic5526 Click bait. Even the best of em have to do it nowadays

@timishormusic5526

4 жыл бұрын

@@JB-xz6dt yeah:))

@chuckgearhart923

4 жыл бұрын

I had a orange 212 and it was not close to a 412 it actually didn't even sound as good running it with a 412 then by it self.

One of the best compromises might be the vertical 2x12. They're relatively hard to find but I've usually seen them as having an angled top speaking, like a half 1960A cab. More manufacturers should get behind that form factor.

@guitarexpert2245

2 жыл бұрын

I have a Marshall 1936 & just bought a 1960a & retuned it. I don't like the angle cabinet. all you hear is the bass. The rest sounds compressed not as open as my 2x12.

@lightninginmyhands4878

2 жыл бұрын

hard to find? mesa and marshall are selling vertical 212 with slanted options right now

@guitarexpert2245

2 жыл бұрын

@@lightninginmyhands4878 Those slanted cabs don't sound good very different than a horizontal one.

@lightninginmyhands4878

2 жыл бұрын

@@guitarexpert2245 what's your experience? does it involve gigging?

@guitarexpert2245

2 жыл бұрын

@@lightninginmyhands4878 yes, they are just different a B cab is thicker deeper more punch feels like. Take a look at Marshall's website on any of their 196a/b cabs it will tell you the same thing. And it's really true. But everyone is different I suppose

*_I just played a sold out show at Wembley Stadium with my djent-metal band using only a Fender Frontman 10G. The show got shut down because we apparently broke the sound ordinance law for being too loud. The sound guy even removed the mic to my Frontman and just let the amp blast into the crowd, but it was still too much power. Nothing we could do._*

What 2x12 for the seymour duncan 200w pedal amp??? Dont wanna blow out

Best compromise: use two 2x12 cabs, thats what I do.

@vicferrari89

3 жыл бұрын

Rock&Jazzer: Are you really.......Martin Barre?

@RocknJazzer

3 жыл бұрын

@@vicferrari89 no but I like his playing and own hiwatt head like him...did he use 2x12 cabs or something?

@autk

2 жыл бұрын

Martin Barre .. Legend...now I'm going to listen to Minstrel in the Gallery....all the way through!

I played with a guitarist who had 2 Mesa 2x12s. So easy to moderate angle and volume. During gigs, he'd have one between him and the drummer and the other at the other end of the stage. He bought them for $200 each in almost new condition.

@dustinhamlin2333

3 жыл бұрын

Good advice

@voidist1

3 жыл бұрын

Damn, that is a good idea.

@thinkingjack

2 жыл бұрын

Damn a Mesa 2x12 for 200$? *grabs mask* I’m gonna have to go “buy one”

@autk

2 жыл бұрын

We used to put one of my 412s on my side and the other on the Bass player's side. He had one 215 on my side and one on his. Best sound we ever had. And we both were barely in the mix in the FOH by mic, sometimes not at all.... because we didn't need to be. There's more than one way to mix a room and balanced sound coming off that stage is like a foundation. You cannot build your sound entirely through the FOH, imo, It's weak sauce and usually when done that way it's way too much kick drum and way too much Bass player and everything suffers. Or it's a wimpy mix that feels like a lounge act, lol.

@AntonovichHicksenbrau

11 ай бұрын

@@autk 1000% agree

4 12 may not sound different from 2 12 but what I want to know does a 12 size speaker even have good sound ?

I have a bugera 6260 and looking for another used cab. I can get a fender bassbreaker 212 cab. We play old school hardcore like Madball. Would that cab work well for this sound?

I ditched my 412 for a sealed 112. I angle it back in front of me like a monitor. The sound man is happy, the band is happy and the audience is happy. I can hear as much or as little of it as I want by reaching down and twisting the volume without affecting anyone else. Our mix has never been cleaner and is still earth shakingly heavy. Just proves you don't need a heavy amp to have a heavy sound.

@pronginator

4 жыл бұрын

link me your 112.. thanks

@therightisright8276

Жыл бұрын

🤪

@autk

11 ай бұрын

Bollocks

When he said the Marshall 2x12 rectifier cabinet i knew i was wasting my time here thank you have a good day!

@cardbored_

3 жыл бұрын

So you’ve never misspoken?

@RythmTR

3 жыл бұрын

@@cardbored_ you never laugh? 🤪

I have a 4x12. 😂 It's being played in an 8'x10 room. 🤣 it's ridiculous. Not necessary, but it's aesthetically pleasing to the eye.😂

I feel stupid for asking but what was the sound track for this vid?

2 2x12's is what I actually want, stereo spread is ideal live and you don't need to crank up your amp nearly as much

So a vertical 2x12 is best of both worlds? Lightweight yet top speaker is angled as a 4x12 eliminating the need for a stand. What say you good sir?

@ManBunMetalHead

4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, the only problem is the bottom speaker wouldn't be directed at the player. Of course, you may want that, but I prefer to have all speakers in the cabinet directed at the me. Maybe a horizontal cabinet with built in angled stand would be the ideal setup.

@V8LC100

4 жыл бұрын

I run a Mesa vertical 2x12 and a couple of points to share. 1. It is fing heavy! Not much in it by feel compared to a 1960A. 2. It’s not much smaller than a 1960A, a bit slimmer. 3. Bass response isn’t as good in this vert cab. If you want low end get the Horizontal Mesa which I had and sold and regret. 4. Even feel like I need to tilt the vertical 2x12 so I can hear it probably. Check out Jason Kui - he runs 2 x Mesa horizontal 2x12s as he says it is a bigger sound than a 4x12 plus easier to lug around no doubt. 👍

@letterpool

4 жыл бұрын

@@V8LC100 Hey thanks for the info!

I've been using 2x12's for years and finally decided to give a 4x12 a go with my JVM 410 and I gotta say, I was shocked by 2 things. The first is how much the volume didn't really change all that much. The second, is how much better the 4x12 sounded in the room. I'm not a metal guy, I play anything from blues to rock even some Jazz. The 4x12 simply sounded full and 3 dimensional. Going back to my 2x12, and this is a quality oversize 2x12 with carefully chosen speakers that I've been happy with over several years after trying a bunch, it sounded boxy. That's the only way I can describe it. The sound didn't breathe as well and also sounded thin as a result.

Thanks for the tips, now i keep my 2x12 laney cube cab for may carvin v3 headamp

I have a ENGL 2x12 and a Mesa 4x12 (traditionnal) and I love both for different reasons. I don't plan to ditch the 4x12 :p

The last two speakers were added to duo cabs [edit: to make quadboxes] back in the day to disperse the power so they wouldn't blow speakers, not to add volume.

@josearaujo8616

3 жыл бұрын

Number of speakers doesn't have anything to do with volume (DBs or SPL), first DB's don't add linearly, second you will reduce the watts going to each speaker using the same volume level, so in the end for increased volume you should use less speakers with higher SPL. More speakers = more sound distribution which is good for a venue but bad to monitor your playing. Micking cabs, is guitar voodoo more than anything, since a good producer/sound engineer can output the same sound from a guitar signal without much effort.

I've gigged with a full stack in small venues and it sounded awesome.

I used two Dr. Z Z Bests 2x12s for many years. Then I used one. They were very difficult to move around because they had no casters and were very heavy. They did have a good amount of "thump" or bass, but they were rather bright since they have the Thiele-Small front port. I went back to a 4x12 with greenbacks recently and love it. Great thump, some high end roll off, and moves a ton of air. Plus it has casters and I don't have to bend down to dead lift it like I did with the 2x12s.

I was looking around a bit and the price difference between 2x12 cabs and 4x12s weren’t very different so I said screw it and got the 4x12. It looks cooler being bigger but i dont know about the sound difference would be bc it hasn’t come in yet lol. I’m linking it to a dsl40c and my 1x12 combo just can’t keep up with my buddies 4x12 Peavey and the drums. I hope it sounds a lot better!!

I've used a 2x12 Mesa Road King cab that was physically heavier, as well as better sounding then most 4x12 cabs. food for thought.

I have a 15watt amp, im planning to swap the speaker with the same 8ohm impedance and with the following specs: Maximum Power: 300 watts - Impedance: 8 Ohms - Sensitivity: 100dB / W / M +- 1dB - Frequency Range: 70Hz-12KHz Will it sound ok? Wiĺ it work? Thanks in advance!

I'm also looking to find a transportable solution for futur gigs. For the "fuller" sound, what do you think about using a cab simulation pedal (simulating a 4x12) through a 2x12 (from the same brand) ? I'm very curious

@ManBunMetalHead

3 жыл бұрын

That is something I would probably stay from. Cab simulation pedals are typically meant to go directly into a PA. I can't imagine throwing the signal back into cab would sound right. It would sound like a miced 4x12 cab sent back into a 2x12, not taking the 2x12 out of the equation at all.

I put my combo on my 2x12 and it’s like a stand and a stack at the same time. Having a variety of speakers and cabinet sizes is also great. I actually think the 4x12 ironically is probably best for home applications these days due to the reasons stated. Nice vid!

4x12 cabs sound better than 2x12 cabs. Don't believe me? Mic up one of each and listen. I'll wait.

@Mr_phil_80

4 жыл бұрын

So valid! Its more about quality of sound versus the mundane and overly subjective points of view from this video. I dislike this video for it's purely opinionated "tips" rooted in speculatory garble

@thadood4373

4 жыл бұрын

@Foxbody Boogie Yeah, everything other than a 2X12 sounds amazing. You're just making a vague statement to be contrary.

@thadood4373

4 жыл бұрын

How much better? 2%? 8.5%? there are so many factors that come in to play that you're vague statement holds no weight. He got in to things that had nothing to do with sound. You can get a 2X12 to sound amazing. There are people that can make a pignose sound great.

@thadood4373

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mr_phil_80 Oh god. Mr encyclopedia. Overly judgmental internet nerds gettin triggered XD

@petheato3291

4 жыл бұрын

@Dirtypussy Tornadokick 15 def is an underrated guitar speaker. I do love my 2x12 though , play through that most of the time. I also love my 1960a cab but I kinda hate speakers pointing right at my head unless it's a gig or practice / jam situation and I can't hear anything. Then it's a life saver!

Thank you for making this video. It's an issue worth consideration but I have one question could resolve the decision(for me anyway)I like bass, low mid ,tone scoop style sound, does a 412 closed cab have more bottom end than the 212 & if so is that significantly so or is it minimal would you say?

@ManBunMetalHead

4 жыл бұрын

You'll probably get more low end out of a 4x12 when you're standing away from it. But I think it could be easily adjusted for. Recording is a different story since you're placing the mic close. In a band situation you'll probably want to lower your low end down anyway since you should make room for the bassist. I've been thinking about doing a 2x12 vs 4x12 comparison video. Keep a look out.

@markr8326

4 жыл бұрын

@@ManBunMetalHead Cool thanks. Also I suppose the tone 'scoop' feature on Marhsall's helps if that's the sound your looking for?

@srx1977

3 жыл бұрын

If you anticipate playing any large venue or outside gigs go with 4x12 with casters on the bottom to roll it. Rolling off unwanted bass is easy. Creating bass from your speakers doesn't work. He left that part out...

Hi there i have a good question is a 2×12 combo just as loud as a 2×12 cabinet?

@ManBunMetalHead

3 жыл бұрын

Same speakers, yes.

After our last gig this past weekend, I decided to downgrade my 4x12 to a 2x12. I did want a Vertical 2x12 though because I felt it would take up less side space and we all know some venues can be extremely limited on space!

I carry my full stack jcm800 all at the same time. Gets me pumped. 4x10 eminence loaded in each hand. Amp goes in my backpack.

@mrspin720

3 жыл бұрын

Proof we need to see it!

The alternative is to put two 12-inch speakers in a 4x12 cabinet and leave the two empty holes making a detuned cabinet. It will be just as loud as a 4x12, look and sound cool. It will be heavier than a 2x12 cab but much lighter than a 4x12 with 4 speakers.

Good video, been a long time orange 4x12 user with my OR100. Now, we use combo amps in our doom band and I couldn’t be happier, running a 59 bassman and it holds up just as well.

You should explain this to bassists as well... I've been telling these dudes who show up with fridge cabinets, and they ostracize me. I mean, if the venue is big enough to justify having a huge bass rig, you're running into a PA. If it's smaller and you're not running into a PA, your rig is overkill. Your rig should fit what you want for stage volume, but not bleed into every mic on the stage.

@TempoDrift1480

2 жыл бұрын

Set the mic gains accordingly and you won't have that problem. I never do.

@wswartz79

2 жыл бұрын

@@TempoDrift1480 when on small stages, where most musicians play, mix placement means nothing when the bass is overwhelming the stage, which is why a fridge is a horrible idea for amass cabinet. As for guitar, why lug around a 4x12, when a 1x12 or 2x12 will do the same thing?

@cymatic83

9 ай бұрын

@@wswartz79 They don't do the same thing though. I've been a sound guy for many years. The difference in sound quality between a combo amp vs 212 vs 412 is obvious, and 412 cabinets always sound more full, with superior low end which means better tone regardless of volume. For small rooms, I'd love when guitar players show up with stacks because that meant I didn't need to put them through the PA hardly at all. Vocals are clear as a bell when that's the case.

There's only one reason for large cabinets and double stacked heads... to quote Les Paul, "People listen with their eyes."

Thanks for all your great advice on amps & guitars......totally awesome.....

Have you tried the Deeflexx to disperse your cab's sound?

Problem is most dive bars and gigs aint gonna run guitar through the PA haha good luck gettin heavy with that 2x12, wish it were possible

@nu11hed

3 жыл бұрын

My experience has been the exact opposite, every dive bar I have ever been to runs me through the PA (even when we had 5 vocal mics).

@marked4death076

3 жыл бұрын

@@nu11hed damn! Shit i wish we got that treatmeant, of course i aint really done a show since 2015 so maybe the old bars now can handle it.

@marked4death076

3 жыл бұрын

@@nu11hed shit we used to play bars where we had to bring our own shitty PA haha

I have an original jcm 900 cab. The big one, and I can hear myself just fine

Very good points made in this video. I agree! The whole "Wall of Sound" concept is very cool, as long as you have a crew to load in, set up, load out. I haven't had that luxury in quite a while. (Although I still love my 412s). I've been playing on stage for 50+ years, and I've figured out what works for me (with me being my own road crew). I run a BE-100 / 212 cab and it's plenty loud enough w/ enough chunk. You're carnage may vary!!

Do you have a serial number on the stand you have? I want one for my setup

Best of both worlds is a vertical 2x12. :-)

@johnnyguitar65

3 жыл бұрын

@Guitar Heretic/*x Dude please.... I have a 100watt Blackstar head and a 2x12 vertical cab that will rupture your spleen.

@johnnyguitar65

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dagger_323 Cool story.....what does that have to do with anything I said?

@johnnyguitar65

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dagger_323 Try reading my comment....where I didn't say anything about a bigger and girthier sound....responding to a guy who said a 2x12 is for a "small apartment bedroom"....which is a ignorant statement....much like your response and reply. Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong suit....but being a ass clown is.

Switched to a 2x12 5 years ago and never looked back. My back thanks me.....

dude amazing!! I did this 5 years ago. I went from a 1 x 12 to a 2 x 12. My Nick Curran had an amazing live rig with 2 x 12 and dan auerbach has that 2 x 12 marshall cab!

Would the 2x12 not sound better than the 4x12 at low volumes? If 4x12 is fed by a 100w amp, then like you said, it's 25 watts to each corner. But if it's into a 2x12, then it's 50 watts per side. So with the same volume, each speaker is being pushed more, and therefore sounds better. Is that accurate?

My heads and 4x12 cabs stay in the man cave. If I was out gigging there are plenty of combo amps available today that can do the job.

Then there is us Fender combo amp players that have no plans of using any cab yet we still watch the metal heads argue.

@auntjenifer7774

3 жыл бұрын

What ? I don't get what you are trying to say.

@PeterDad60

3 жыл бұрын

@@auntjenifer7774 I have two Fender combo amps that have 410 speakers in each cab. He's saying the combo amps have speakers built into the cab, hence the name "combo-amp". Example my Fender '59 Bassman LTD. is a 410 combo amp!

@nickomode9397

3 жыл бұрын

Ok boomer

@dildojizzbaggins6969

3 жыл бұрын

*are we

@machupikachu1085

Жыл бұрын

moar powah!!!

How about power handling? I run a 100W head. How many 2 x 12 cabs can handle 100w rms?

If I am on a 3600 watt bass amp please tell me how is 2 x12 help this problem I am also playing right now on a marshall mb450 watt 2x12 I don’t think it works I blew a lot of speakers out when they were harkie hi drives and I blew crate speakers the only ones that held both amp up was Marshall guitar cabinet with 2x15 speakers in them and I have been playing the bass for over 25 years still going strong I wish I was using you’re 100 watt amp please let me know what to do on amps and the best sound to get the nuke is 3600 watt and the Marshall is 450 watt

Dude, you made some awesome points here. I literally was shopping around for a 4x12 now Im reconsidering just sticking with my current 2x12.

@ColtraneTaylor

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for a 1x12. My budget, you see.

@TheStereoField

3 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on where you're going to use it and how much you're paying for it. I bought a used 1960A for $400..so it was pretty dang reasonable. And I just keep my setup in my home office. I don't gig with it, I just play when I have free time. The amp just sits there and I never have to move it. And it's awesome.

Well I have have a Mesa 212 vertical it sounds awesome. But. I have a carvin 412 with Mesa v30s 16ohms @16ohm load. And sealed up. It’s a monster. My opinion! The 412 is more fuller. Although my 212 vertical is not shabby at all. I’m keeping both.

I've been liking the 2X12 for a while now, nice to see someone talk about it - ***** Stars : )

What if I like the sound of a particular speaker that isn't rated high enough for the output of my amplifier? Shouldn't I then be adding more of them to balance things out? A single 30 watt speaker for a Mesa Mark IV or a Hiwatt DR103 is asking for trouble. Two 30 watt speakers is safer, but still not there.

its all about the looks baby, nothing looks more rock and roll than a tower of speakers lol

More speakers makes me sound better. Plus I want my neighbors to hear every detail of me practicing pinch harmonics😂😂

I’ve never had trouble keeping up with my 412 wielding bandmates when using combos. However, I’ve since switched to a 412, and while I don’t run it any louder, I love how it’s up around my chest which makes it easier to hear.

I miss my 4x12. I regret selling it 10 years ago. I am buying one back! The 2x12 didn't do it for me for many years and the FRFR setup didn't either. There's just something about the 4x12 and sitting right by it and playing songs. Man. No words.. GET A 4X12!!

The age-old argument, "You will mic it anyway" or "it's lighter". If that's the case, you might as well just run straight to PA from a Helix with zero amps. It's all about air movement.

@Swampster70

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I say when I cook up some of my diablo chili. First it's about the taste and then later it's about the air movement.

@nightraven5760

4 жыл бұрын

@@Swampster70 Lmfao

@alankotler9971

3 жыл бұрын

My Marshall 2536 cabinet has plenty of air movement. Check it out. It's huge, made of Birch but not too huge to put in a trunk of a car or carry by one self. Again, an audience will NEVER know the difference. They just want to have a good time and drink. And that's just a fact.

@kimmolingonheimo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Swampster70 OMG and hair movement !!!!!Hi mr Swampster, Im a Finnish guitarist of 54 in October, and just ended up on this comp page of speakers/writers,,,theres a 4x12 cab new for sale at Thomann web store for 200€s, Kustom brand,wheels n all so very tempting? I was thinking , 50€s per speaker, not bad, THEN /now im thinking, I bought from T a 100W Kustom amp for 200€s, are they baad quality..., time ll tell of course..., even Alber tLee talked about 4 x 10 cabinets, not 12s....., omg Im a slow one on some things: my lets say grnd ma once said about my earring: musicians have them to hear better.....she understood me better than my parents ...LOVE without Cabinets, only combos, and bands, Kimmo : )

@thetribalist6923

3 жыл бұрын

I think the type of speaker really plays a part in how it sounds, so micing a particular speaker will sound different than simply playing direct into the PA.

Enjoyed the vid and interesting points, but, should come with a caviat 'Time to ditch that 4x12 cabinet ....... if you play with others in a band and gig'. I don't and many others don't either. I like the full sound immersion in my studio that the 4x12 gives. I also have a 2x12 and like that too. I guess the core thing I'm really saying is that your points have more validity on the gigging and portability aspects.

This aint about what i need, its about what i want.. i love overkill, always have.. NEVER getting rid of my 4×12s. Ive been playing longer than this guy has been alive.

I play guitar through a 2x12 but for bass, I actually play live, does anyone know if 4x15 exists? Lmk

I recently went to a 2x12 for gigging (well just one gig then covid hit arrrrgggg !!! ) and thought it was just as good as my 4x12 and so much easier to carry. This dude totally right... i leave my 4x12 at the studio we practice at. Sounds awesome too .

Nothing says rock n' roll more than looking across the room at a 4x12 cab...(I am a 2x12 player) ...they both are great!

picked up a Jet City 24SEv loaded with a pair of Eminence vintage speakers, great all around cab, and light. Also use 2 Thiele cabs, a Mesa and a homemade equivalent - sound great too. Also have a homemade cab stand...used scrap 2x4's from leftover house projects.

If you gig 2-3 times a week then a smaller rig you'll love. But if you have a special one. Then getthe big guns once in a while.

I paused it at 1:50 and made him wait while I ate my dinner muhahahaha. He just sat there and waiting though. Also I’m a combo player so this isn’t relevant at all but still a good video to watch 👍

You're so right brother so sick of the big 4x12

Can I play a Marshall 10MG through a 2x12? Or if I can't find one, a Code 212?

@ManBunMetalHead

3 жыл бұрын

You certainly could, but that is a pretty small amp to power a 2x12.

@ColtraneTaylor

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManBunMetalHead It's just that I've been hearing how good a low watt amp head can be. But heads being expensive I thought of a combo. Can that be done without modifying it though?

@ManBunMetalHead

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like you'll have to modify the MG10 in order to do so. I would take off the back and add a 1/4" speaker connector. I assume there is enough space to do it, but you wouldn't know until you took it apart.

@ColtraneTaylor

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManBunMetalHead Ok, I will consider that. Is there really no other way a combo can plug into a speaker? Seems like an oversight, or maybe a business decision more likely.

I started playing guitar 36 years ago. I always played through a 1x12 Amp. Just last year I got myself an EVH 5150 4x12 cab....I'm EXTREMELY happy with it. Just a few days ago I ordered a 100watt Head. I will NEVER go back to a 1x12 Amp.

Me, trying to build a 4x 12 for my digital pipe organ: 👁️👄👁️

You make a lot of good points, and for me personally the size/weight aspect alone is reason enough to stick to 212's. Having said that, have you ever seen sludge/stoner/doom bands like Conan, Eagle Twin, Bongripper, etc.? Then you'll see why a 212 doesn't cut it for some genres. Size matters when it comes to low frequencies.

@neoconnor4395

Жыл бұрын

But the size of those speakers matters more than the speakers from a PA?

@neoconnor4395

Жыл бұрын

I dig all those bands and was contemplating a 2x12 tomorrow, but then I saw this video and read this comment :/

@neoconnor4395

Жыл бұрын

I think the biiiiiig amps these days are mostly a preference to the player, rather than a necessity. Technically you should be able to play all that music DI to the PA

More people need to watch this. My guitar rig is literally either a 2X12 cab with a 50 watt head, I built a rack mount to put an EQ through the amp head because just Volume, Low, Mid, High, and Gain is never enough to adjust for feedback or noise from my pedals. Along with a PA head to mic my amp up for a floor monitor for myself mainly sometimes the drummer wants to hear what I am playing for improvisions. Or just a basic Combo 2X12 combo amp once again with the EQ rack mount and PA for the same reasons. I always pack in a snake and two decent mics to mic myself to the PC system because the in house mics are normally cheap and sound horrible. But also it some stages you play may be huge, but most are small as fuck so the less space you take up for playing gigs the more fun you can have moving around. Also if your combo amp, or cab does not have wheels, go to walmart or a hardware store and throw them on the cab. It makes shit a lot more easy to move stuff on and off stage. You are only given so much time to set up and tear down. Do everything you can to make doing so fast so you can play more and get out of the other band's way. Also never loan gear out to other bands in less it is picks, sticks, stands, or other gear you can easily replace. I played a show and the one kid loaned his amp to the frontman of a different band. The amp no longer worked. That ass fuck blew the head up putting a beer on top of it, getting too rowdy and spilling the beer all over the head. Never replaced it. He just put his arms up and said, "These things happen bro. It is just how this business works."

I used to carry 2 100 watt half stacks to all gigs. Now I’m down to a 20 watter with a 1x12 and an ox. I’m fine with it.

90% of the people reading this aren't playing any venue that needs a 4x12 cab. Most bar's and clubs in my city won't even let you run through 4x12 cabs....why? because they know it's over kill. Most of the places we play have a 500 person capacity or less. I have a 100watt tube head, a 2x12 vertical cab and a Yamaha DBR12 monitor. I have NEVER had to mic this setup and I play with a loud ass drummer and keyboard player. Our bass player has a 2x12 cab and a Ampeg 100watt head. He also has no issues with volume levels. There is not a nickels worth of difference tone wise between a 2x12 and a 4x12...played both for years. Invest in a EQ pedal and you can shape your tone far more than you can with two more speakers.

@ManBunMetalHead

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

I just got a better deal on my 4x12 than I would on a 2x12

A 4x12 half stack is the holy altar of bad ass looks and sound.

So I found a Marshall Origin 160 watt amp that’s a 2x12 but it cost the same as a Marshall MG412BG 120 watt 4x12. Which do you think would be better?

@ManBunMetalHead

3 жыл бұрын

I don't have any experience with either of those cabinets or speakers, but looking at them I would think the Origin 160 would probably sound better.

@JoeyQ12345

3 жыл бұрын

Your probably right. The origin has the 70/80 speakers and the other has some cheaper Marshall Celestion thing in them.